Anybody on here? Hope people are all OK, and then hope the car will get fixed
:o :'(
Man, that sucks.. :-(
That is a freakin' lot of force to flip the car over.......
Bummer :icon_smile_blackeye: not good hope every one ok
As close to the ocean as Bonita Springs is, the car was likely rusting from the inside to the outside long before the hurricane came.
Quote from: Redbird on September 29, 2022, 03:13:51 PM
As close to the ocean as Bonita Springs is, the car was likely rusting from the inside to the outside long before the hurricane came.
Doesn't mean it was a Florida car. originally...... If you keep them inside, they do ok.. I grew up in South Florida (West Palm Beach)... It is when they were one's daily rides and they were outside all the time when you had rust issues....
Looks like the car was picked up and dropped on it's roof. Hopefully the owner and his/her family is safe.
WELL - I GUESS I WAS WRONG IN MY SUSPICION.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbf2LfBlqis
Something doesn't feel right about that photo. I'm questioning whether it's real or not
Quote from: rainbow4jd on September 29, 2022, 03:20:21 PM
Something doesn't feel right about that photo. I'm questioning whether it's real or not
I agree. However, if it is, the car is the least of their problems.
Quote from: rainbow4jd on September 29, 2022, 03:20:21 PM
Something doesn't feel right about that photo. I'm questioning whether it's real or not
In hindsight and looking over some Facebook posts, I am starting to think the same....
Quote from: Redbird on September 29, 2022, 03:13:51 PM
As close to the ocean as Bonita Springs is, the car was likely rusting from the inside to the outside long before the hurricane came.
I call bull on that. My 70 Charger has spent 99% of it's life within 15 miles of the beach and it's fine. 1 or 2 winters on salted roads up north kills cars.
I'm calling BS too...IMO, the arch to the leaf spring doesn't look right; the axle should be pulled down (or up, cuz it's up-side-down) into the wheel well. Looks like a leaf spring arch when the rear of the car is jacked up and weight taken off the tires. :scratchchin:
I just took a screenshot of the car and rotated the picture. Yep, very likely fake. I wish I could figure out how to post a picture!
Here it is...what say you?
Here's another. Doesn't look right to me.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/29/21/62942623-11261707-image-a-78_1664481815464.jpg
"IMO, the arch to the leaf spring doesn't look right; the axle should be pulled down (or up, cuz it's up-side-down) into the wheel well. Looks like a leaf spring arch when the rear of the car is jacked up and weight taken off the tires"
I'm not defending it as I have no idea, just consider the springs normally have the weight of the car on them, and now only have the diff and wheels, I bet it would sit tall
I'm calling BS too. At least I hope so. My phone has been blowing up all afternoon with my friends sending me that picture.
And ANOTHER thing..... If your Superbird was in a storm strong enough to flip it over, wouldn't it be DIRTY?
To the knucklehead who photoshopped that pic: You're a tool.
:scratchchin:
Good point, Dave K.
I still think it's probably photoshopped, and I really hope it is. Cars are too clean, the Bird wing cross member would be buried in sand, and most of all, who would NOT have moved those cars to high ground, prior to the storm? :Twocents:
I'm sure we'll find out the truth in due time.
It is real. Just saw an aerial shot of it on the news.
Well, that blows! I stand corrected.
To make matters worse, it looks like the Daytona now needs the impossible to find rear window.
More than 2
Well :'(
Hi Folks, 29 September 2022
Looks like Crow is on the menu for supper this evening !!!
Kind of reminds us of an old saying: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
Feel sorry for the owner(s) and the cars. Going to be a bear to find a correct backlight for the Daytona.
Wishing all involved a good and happy outcome. Hope no one was injured.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
So very sad that 2 iconic cars would suffer such a fate. A friend bought a 1971 Charger RT after Superstorm Sandy hit that was steering wheel deep in "brackish" water. It was professionally cleaned with all soft parts replaced including wire harnesses. After the car was completely gone through, the car looked great for about 6 months. Unfortunately, the the salt water that entered every crevice, pinch weld, and seam eventually pushed out and the car started rusting everywhere. Even under the paint. I'm afraid these two winged warriors are history. :icon_smile_sad:
i'm hearing these are clone cars. maybe, maybe not, sucks either way. :shruggy:
I have a great deal of empathy for those that were in the path of the storm who really have no means at all. A good number had no means to get away from their homes before the storm hit. Some died and others will have unsurmountable medical bills. Tens of thousands of people are going to be devastated financially, and they will feel the effects for decades. Some will never recover.
This storm will probably be the last straw for private insurance companies in Florida.
Quote from: RSI700VIPER on September 29, 2022, 07:55:49 PM
So very sad that 2 iconic cars would suffer such a fate. A friend bought a 1971 Charger RT after Superstorm Sandy hit that was steering wheel deep in "brackish" water. It was professionally cleaned with all soft parts replaced including wire harnesses. After the car was completely gone through, the car looked great for about 6 months. Unfortunately, the the salt water that entered every crevice, pinch weld, and seam eventually pushed out and the car started rusting everywhere. Even under the paint. I'm afraid these two winged warriors are history. :icon_smile_sad:
Hi RSI700VIPER, 29 September 2022
We think you are correct in your assessment. I lived in Key West for 9 Months in 1963 - 64. Cars that lived in that environment, including Miami rotted out almost as fast as they were built. Corrosion protection on US cars of that era was nil at best. Number one, I would never live there again and would never take any of our cars there for any reason. I do not like high humidity; you cannot escape it there unless you are in an air-conditioned dehumidified cocoon 24 x 7. Not much fun.
Hopefully, the cars can be saved from a rusty demise. There has to be a way to neutralize the salt water penetration, just don't know zackly how it's done. Surely won't be cheap. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: 426HemiChick on September 29, 2022, 08:33:32 PM
Quote from: RSI700VIPER on September 29, 2022, 07:55:49 PM
So very sad that 2 iconic cars would suffer such a fate. A friend bought a 1971 Charger RT after Superstorm Sandy hit that was steering wheel deep in "brackish" water. It was professionally cleaned with all soft parts replaced including wire harnesses. After the car was completely gone through, the car looked great for about 6 months. Unfortunately, the the salt water that entered every crevice, pinch weld, and seam eventually pushed out and the car started rusting everywhere. Even under the paint. I'm afraid these two winged warriors are history. :icon_smile_sad:
Hi RSI700VIPER, 29 September 2022
We think you are correct in your assessment. I lived in Key West for 9 Months in 1963 - 64. Cars that lived in that environment, including Miami rotted out almost as fast as they were built. Corrosion protection on US cars of that era was nil at best. Number one, I would never live there again and would never take any of our cars there for any reason. I do not like high humidity; you cannot escape it there unless you are in an air-conditioned dehumidified cocoon 24 x 7. Not much fun.
Hopefully, the cars can be saved from a rusty demise. There has to be a way to neutralize the salt water penetration, just don't know zackly how it's done. Surely won't be cheap. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
I hope you are right 426 HC. I saw your Hemi Daytona at Carlisle in 2021. Amazing machine.
Thank you for your service.
Looks like the back window of the daytona and trim got blown out. So someone is going to be happy when they find them.. But.. What is the tube sticking up on the back bumper of the daytona??
Quote from: DoubleDlover on September 30, 2022, 12:12:46 AM
Looks like the back window of the daytona and trim got blown out. So someone is going to be happy when they find them.. But.. What is the tube sticking up on the back bumper of the daytona??
If you look real close at the red car it looks like there is a piece hanging on both sides
Looks like the trunk opening weather strip has peeled out
Was the car full of water and washed it out from the inside ??
(https://i.imgur.com/RzCavxm.jpg)
Lucky guy to have that many nice cars
Question
Why are the lights open on both Daytonas and closed on both Birds ?
Daytonas used stronger springs ?
Or no springs on the Birds ?
Quote from: 70 sublime on September 30, 2022, 08:56:07 AM
Lucky guy to have that many nice cars
Question
Why are the lights open on both Daytonas and closed on both Birds ?
Daytonas used stronger springs ?
Or no springs on the Birds ?
Hi 70 sublime, 30 September 2022
I think the answer to the lights on the Daytona's being open is due to the lights being closed by Vacuum. If there is a slight vacuum leak, the lights open. Start the engine and they close. Can't speak for the Birds. Have a suspicion the Process was reversed on the Bird: opened by vacuum, closed by springs.
The problem I see for the Birds is if the vacuum line is broken or cut for some reason, the lights won't open. Bad news if needing to drive the car at night. The reverse is true for the Daytona's, vacuum failure lights open. No problem at night, just looks strange during daylight hours.
When we first got our Daytona, the lights would open almost as soon as the engine was shut down. That was rectified with a new vacuum canister/reservoir. Easy to buy from a Dodge dealer in 1972. The vacuum reservoir was just a fruit juice can modified to hold a vacuum and painted flat black. The mod was a two way valve on the top of the canister. One line went to the engine vacuum source and the other the headlight switch, which when turned on released the vacuum allowing the headlights to open via spring pressure.
We think the guy likes orange cars. Sure hope he can get everything fixed properly. Got a feeling when it's all said and done he will move to some place safer, like PHOENIX, ARIZONA . . . . Hint Hint. No salt water here, very low humidity and lots of sunshine.
To the owner: If you decide to move to Phoenix, look us up; you are welcome here.
Hope this helps.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
The headlight vacuum systems are the same for both wing cars.
Quote from: A383Wing on September 30, 2022, 12:00:21 PM
The headlight vacuum systems are the same for both wing cars.
Hi A383, 30 September 2022
Are you certain they are the same? If true, why is it that Daytona's are notorious for light's open after being shut down. Never have seen a bird with lights open when the lights and engine are off.
You may be correct, we only had a Daytona for 48 years, never had a Bird.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: 426HemiChick on September 30, 2022, 11:57:40 AM
I think the answer to the lights on the Daytona's being open is due to the lights being closed by Vacuum. If there is a slight vacuum leak, the lights open. Start the engine and they close. Can't speak for the Birds. Have a suspicion the Process was reversed on the Bird: opened by vacuum, closed by springs.
The problem I see for the Birds is if the vacuum line is broken or cut for some reason, the lights won't open. Bad news if needing to drive the car at night. The reverse is true for the Daytona's, vacuum failure lights open. No problem at night, just looks strange during daylight hours.
When we first got our Daytona, the lights would open almost as soon as the engine was shut down. That was rectified with a new vacuum canister/reservoir. Easy to buy from a Dodge dealer in 1972. The vacuum reservoir was just a fruit juice can modified to hold a vacuum and painted flat black. The mod was a two way valve on the top of the canister. One line went to the engine vacuum source and the other the headlight switch, which when turned on released the vacuum allowing the headlights to open via spring pressure.
Basically the same as a standard 1968-9 Dodge Charger. Most Charger's seem to lose the canister thanks to battery acid dripping down and eating a hole in the can. They are still available. Vans sells them https://vansauto.com/product/68-69-charger-headlight-vacuum-canister/.
I found the canister didn't just keep a small surplus on hand to shut the doors after engine was shut off, it also helped maintain a steady vacuum while the engine is running.
Quote from: RSI700VIPER on September 29, 2022, 10:38:20 PM
I hope you are right 426 HC. I saw your Hemi Daytona at Carlisle in 2021. Amazing machine.
Thank you for your service.
Hi RSI700VIPER, 30 September 2022
You are quite welcome and Thank You Viper, She is an amazing car. Best runner of any car we've ever had the pleasure of its owning us. You don't own Daytona's, they own you.
We've said this before: We believe the Dodge Chargers 1968 - 1970 are the most beautiful cars ever to grace the world's highways. This is especially true of the Daytona's, aside from their beauty, they are outrageous and only a few folks can ever be owned by one. We miss her but know she has a great caretaker in Bob Jennings. It was an honor to have her own us for 48 years.
Thanks Again.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
https://youtu.be/zTArX4cwQwQ. @ 2:27
Quote from: 70 sublime on September 30, 2022, 08:56:07 AM
Lucky guy to have that many nice cars
Question
Why are the lights open on both Daytonas and closed on both Birds ?
Daytonas used stronger springs ?
Or no springs on the Birds ?
I would say the owner disconnected the headlight springs on the Superbird's.
My friend that owned six Superbirds over the years disconnected the headlight springs on all of his birds so the headlights wouldn't pop up over time when they were sitting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbf2LfBlqis
owner interview :o
Quote from: 6bblgt on October 01, 2022, 02:37:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbf2LfBlqis
owner interview :o
This guy is not far south from Iron Stable Garage LLC in Clearwater, FL. They've do restoration work on Daytona's and Superbirds. Maybe somebody knows how to connect the guy with that garage. The biggest thing will be getting the car "dipped" to get to all the salt.
According to this article it's about $2,500 (probably more now with inflation).
https://advancedtechnicalprod.com/chemical-dipping-removes-years-of-paint-and-rust-from-vehicles/#:~:text=Chemical%20dipping%20removes%20paint%20and,%242%2C400%20for%20a%20car%20body.
I thought the pics were photoshopped. I guess not. Bummer.
Quote from: 426HemiChick on September 30, 2022, 12:19:53 PM
Never have seen a bird with lights open when the lights and engine are off.
The mechanical parts/vacuum parts/etc are the same between both the Tona' and Superbird....here's a "showroom" Bird back in the day, they suffered from a poorly designed system....
OK all u know-it-alls.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/591062792799916?s=yWDuG2&fs=e
The black striped Daytona was recently restored by Graveyard. Worm did almost an entire show on it even interviewing the owner. They mention having rigs for the kids. Same people in the news photos.
Start 34:00 if u can't stomach Worm.
https://youtu.be/SEYPqoYPeSo
His Dad bought the black striped car for him @ 16 (original owner)..
Wheres yalls qualifications for calling out fake photos, lol.
I'm sorry Mr. & Mrs. Walton for the crap you might eventually read. Awesome that the sentimental ones were moved.
I personally thought the photos were faked too, I was hoping I was correct because never in a million years would I wish this on my enemies, do something to my enemies, but not this. Does it make me a bad person, nope. Seen my fair share of BS photos in the past. Hopefully he can find rear glass, if not Grant Janak might have the alternatives.
Quote from: DAY CLONA on October 02, 2022, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: 426HemiChick on September 30, 2022, 12:19:53 PM
Never have seen a bird with lights open when the lights and engine are off.
The mechanical parts/vacuum parts/etc are the same between both the Tona' and Superbird....here's a "showroom" Bird back in the day, they suffered from a poorly designed system....
Interesting placement of the front license plate bracket. I have an original and it mounts to the bumper.
Seen so much crap on these cars I never checked out 6bblgt's video.
Shoulda known better coming from him. My fault 4 that only.
Just glad that the being fake can be put to bed. Their misery & being genuine midwest people didn't deserve it.
Found the video of them with the owner on Youtube and how depressing.
So glad it was only property though, not life.
Quote from: RSI700VIPER on October 02, 2022, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on October 02, 2022, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: 426HemiChick on September 30, 2022, 12:19:53 PM
Never have seen a bird with lights open when the lights and engine are off.
The mechanical parts/vacuum parts/etc are the same between both the Tona' and Superbird....here's a "showroom" Bird back in the day, they suffered from a poorly designed system....
Interesting placement of the front license plate bracket. I have an original and it mounts to the bumper.
I've basically found it was whatever the dealer decided on was the best placement. probably not two dealers in the same region with the same placements.
Most of us have seen the pic with the plate bracket mounted on the top of the leading edge of the nosecone.
As regards to the license plate bracket on Superbirds; there was a cut sheet along with the bracket which were placed in the trunk at customer delivery showing the attachment at the top front of the nose.
As to the 2 trashed wing cars, along with thousands of other cars. The current owners will be just fine. Insurance will make them whole less their deductibles. My thoughts are that the people who are probably really going to be upside down in a bad way are people who end up with them in a musical chairs game 5 years down the road. I don't see how everything on and in them won't turn to rust. Window and door hardware between panels, rust coming out of pinchwelds, rust inside panels, under the dash, everywhere. Maybe there is a miracle clean-up process but I would never want to own these cars. After a chain of ownerships, no one will say "yes I knew about the history." People down the road are likely going to be hurt badly.
QuoteAs to the 2 trashed wing cars, along with thousands of other cars. The current owners will be just fine. Insurance will make them whole less their deductibles. My thoughts are that the people who are probably really going to be upside down in a bad way are people who end up with them in a musical chairs game 5 years down the road. I don't see how everything on and in them won't turn to rust. Window and door hardware between panels, rust coming out of pinchwelds, rust inside panels, under the dash, everywhere. Maybe there is a miracle clean-up process but I would never want to own these cars. After a chain of ownerships, no one will say "yes I knew about the history." People down the road are likely going to be hurt badly.
This. Those things will have to be COMPLETELY disassembled and dipped. Even then I dunno if you can ever really keep the rust at bay again. Saltwater is usually a death sentence for a car even if it doesn't die right away.
:Twocents:
Sell them to Dennis McCarthy's movie car outfit in LA. He can use them for 'Fast & Furious' and stuff. The long-term rusting problems won't be an issue.
They can respray & use the cars without even doing the whole tear-down-and-chemical-dip. They'll just make the engine run with a Painless wiring kit and get on with it. Probably the best outcome for everyone in the long run. Get some usage out of these flooded cars as they are and don't stick some future owner with the problems. Spare some other non-flooded Mopars the same fate.
Some good and BAD replies on this thread methinks!
This is Mopar's finest heritage you are talking about here...
If they were MY cars I would have them completely stripped down and every weld removed like a jigsaw puzzle.
Then I would spent 10 or 20 years putting them back together again.
Tongue in cheek comments about 'movie car' endings for the 'rarest of the rare' is not gonna help the owner 'or' future Wingcar owners.
These cars are 'DOOMED' is not a nice thing to read from fellow Moparmen and Women... :'( :'( :'(
We all know what can happen when cars get into the wrong hands... :slap: :slap: :slap:
Got a hold of the nephew of the owner Mr. Walton. I have offered to help in anyway I could. Sad thing about my Facebook post was it turned into a freakin' drama that it is apparent this guy has money to fix them and insurance, blah blah blah... Dorks.. I wasn't asking for a stupid Go-fund me drive, I was asking if I could find this owner to offer assistance of restoring the cars when the time is right for him. Locating rare parts is the hard part, not financing it. Lordy....
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 04, 2022, 05:01:13 AM
Got a hold of the nephew of the owner Mr. Walton. I have offered to help in anyway I could. Sad thing about my Facebook post was it turned into a freakin' drama that it is apparent this guy has money to fix them and insurance, blah blah blah... Dorks.. I wasn't asking for a stupid Go-fund me drive, I was asking if I could find this owner to offer assistance of restoring the cars when the time is right for him. Locating rare parts is the hard part, not financing it. Lordy....
Hi hemi68charger, 04 October 2022
One of the major problems with the written word: The reader's misinterpretation of the author's intent. You're not responsible for a reader's ignorance. Your intent was good, you tried, that's all that matters.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: FJ5WING on October 03, 2022, 05:13:30 PM
I've basically found it was whatever the dealer decided on was the best placement. probably not two dealers in the same region with the same placements.
Most of us have seen the pic with the plate bracket mounted on the top of the leading edge of the nosecone.
here's the template
QuoteSome good and BAD replies on this thread methinks!
This is Mopar's finest heritage you are talking about here...
If they were MY cars I would have them completely stripped down and every weld removed like a jigsaw puzzle.
Then I would spent 10 or 20 years putting them back together again.
Tongue in cheek comments about 'movie car' endings for the 'rarest of the rare' is not gonna help the owner 'or' future Wingcar owners.
These cars are 'DOOMED' is not a nice thing to read from fellow Moparmen and Women... Cry Cry Cry
We all know what can happen when cars get into the wrong hands... slap slap slap
I'm under the impression that those two flooded cars were non-VIN clones.
If they are VIN cars, okay, movie car wrecking seems like a shame.
But there still isn't any great option here.
Drilling out every single spot-weld for 10-20 years? Oh suuuure. Easier said than done.
And once you do that to a unibody it's not the same car. It just isn't. It might look nice but the metal properties get affected by all that cutting & welding.
Harsh truth: The least-bad way to fix those flood cars is chemical dipping, and that may never be enough to stop the saltwater problems.
sell them to me cheap if everybody worried about future rust. ::)
Imagine having a wing car for your winter snow beater . . .
Why are there no lifts in the garage on original pic?
Hi Folks, 04 October 2022
Only thing to say is that Florida and anywhere else close to the ocean "Ain't" good places for our beloved treasures. They are history, rare and diminishing. They belong in a safe environment; along the coasts is not a good place for them . . . . or our families and us.
Here in the desert (Phoenix) the humidity is low most of the time, little rain, maybe 8 inches per year. We do have some bad weather occasionally. The Dust Storm we had yesterday was windy, dusty and lasted about an hour. We get some hail every few years. Not like the stuff they get in the Fort Worth Dallas area; Grapefruit sized hail occasionally happens there. It can turn a parking lot full of cars into a junk yard right quick. Also has killed a few folks caught out in it.
Not trying to sell folks on the merits of Phoenix, of which there are many. There are other places in this country that have weather similar to ours and are probably less crowded. Hope no one in the future has to experience what the folks in Florida had to endure during this storm.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Those wing cars would be fine if they had been moved a few miles inland/higher ground. The owner even moved some other cars. It seems like the problem was failure to act early enough. He ran out of time. Either that or he really believed the cars would be safe because they were 5 feet above the floor. (I wouldn't have trusted that.)
I mean, the last few hours before a hurricane landing . . . . it tends to be escalating chaos. Businesses closing & emptying, power outages, traffic jams, wrecks, tow truck & EMS delays, everybody trying to find everybody else, everybody just thought of 10 other things they have to do, etc.
If you wait until the classic cars are clearly in danger, that may be too late already. If you live right near the beach then you probably need to be more cautious than that. Nobody wants to get their classic car flooded but it still happens a lot.
Quote from: b5blue on October 04, 2022, 08:54:31 PM
Why are there no lifts in the garage on original pic?
Because they got swept away from twelve plus feet of storm surge along with one hundred and fifty mile per hour winds. ::)
Remarkable, I'm not challenging the validity just assessing the impact. (As someone who lives at what was forecast to be ground zero of Ian.) The first floor blowout walls also survived and that prompted my inquiry. :scratchchin:
Sad to see what happened but glad the owner was okay.
Leaving your window open in the rain is one thing, but turning a car into a salt water submarine is a disaster. :-\ A while back there were cars from Hurricane Sandy that were destroyed. The one that was discussed on here was a Hemi Charger & how it was submerged & showed signs of rust almost instantly. It even came up in a VIN search as salvage. I would love to see these cars redone but not me. I wouldn't touch one even if I could afford it.
Hurricane Sandy Charger....
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=99727.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMvbzhfNN4o 23 seconds into the video
Quote from: tan top on October 08, 2022, 02:37:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMvbzhfNN4o 23 seconds into the video
Sand is piled up like snow drifts. It'll be a long time before that gets to any semblance of normal.
The gouge in the S'birds rear bumper rusted more since the first pics.
Not sure if you can see these pictures if you are not on FB but it shows the tow trucks and how they got the bird back on it's wheels
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=630991185177837&set=pcb.3347130495526872
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When they flipped it over the windshield was still there. The garage pic shows it missing. Wonder why.
Quote from: DownZero on October 24, 2022, 02:06:45 PM
When they flipped it over the windshield was still there. The garage pic shows it missing. Wonder why.
Seems to me it is still there......
Quote from: DownZero on October 24, 2022, 02:06:45 PM
When they flipped it over the windshield was still there. The garage pic shows it missing. Wonder why.
Looks like the windshield wipers are still sitting on the glass in the garage
Did not notice in the small pictures but when they were posted here much larger I see the water leaking out of the car as it was turned over
Man, those guys from G&C did a masterful mid-air flip on that Superbird! :cheers: Very nice, not their first go-round at that. It's truly disheartening to see this kind of Mother's Nature's will inflicted on these two cars. My only hope is that these cars were "over-restored" in such a manner that any possible panel weld point is so caked in primer/paint/clear, that they may be impervious to the salt water scorns of what they were hit with.
I know, probably a pie-in-the-sky wish. :crazy:
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on October 02, 2022, 12:33:19 PM
OK all u know-it-alls.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/591062792799916?s=yWDuG2&fs=e
The black striped Daytona was recently restored by Graveyard. Worm did almost an entire show on it even interviewing the owner. They mention having rigs for the kids. Same people in the news photos.
Start 34:00 if u can't stomach Worm.
https://youtu.be/SEYPqoYPeSo
His Dad bought the black striped car for him @ 16 (original owner)..
Wheres yalls qualifications for calling out fake photos, lol.
I'm sorry Mr. & Mrs. Walton for the crap you might eventually read. Awesome that the sentimental ones were moved.
I must admit, that did make me gag a bit...
But still I suppose it's cool that they had a Daytona in the day when it was sorta a "daily driver", I remember those days. I remember seeing Daytonas & Superbirds in normal city traffic now and then, into the early 80's. I used my own '70 Charger as a family hauler for around 4-5 years, into the early 90's...however mine was no Daytona. ;) But it is still way cooler than my '77 Vette play toy that shares the garage.
This was posted today on Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/yvffon/hurricane_ian_superbird_rolled_up_to_our_shop/
Well the Superbird made an apperance at MCACN last week, and has already began its dis-assembly. Next step is getting all the sand out and then dipping the car.
The Daytona has gone to a members shop in Florida to get restored.
https://youtu.be/fRUvs1AD488
So it sounds like the guy that owned the car when it got wet does not own it now ?
Did he take the insurance money and run now someone else bought it ??
Quote from: 70 sublime on November 28, 2022, 08:03:29 PM
So it sounds like the guy that owned the car when it got wet does not own it now ?
Did he take the insurance money and run now someone else bought it ??
Correct, the new owner bought them outright. No insurance claim.
Quote from: Devil on November 28, 2022, 10:33:27 PM
Quote from: 70 sublime on November 28, 2022, 08:03:29 PM
So it sounds like the guy that owned the car when it got wet does not own it now ?
Did he take the insurance money and run now someone else bought it ??
Correct, the new owner bought them outright. No insurance claim.
So the guy that owned both wing cars that got wet sold them both to the same person ?
Quote from: 70 sublime on November 28, 2022, 11:11:29 PM
Quote from: Devil on November 28, 2022, 10:33:27 PM
Quote from: 70 sublime on November 28, 2022, 08:03:29 PM
So it sounds like the guy that owned the car when it got wet does not own it now ?
Did he take the insurance money and run now someone else bought it ??
Correct, the new owner bought them outright. No insurance claim.
So the guy that owned both wing cars that got wet sold them both to the same person ?
Correct
Interesting turn of events
Quote from: Devil on November 28, 2022, 10:33:27 PM
Quote from: 70 sublime on November 28, 2022, 08:03:29 PM
So it sounds like the guy that owned the car when it got wet does not own it now ?
Did he take the insurance money and run now someone else bought it ??
Correct, the new owner bought them outright. No insurance claim.
Make you wonder if they were not insured or underinsured.
For the best I say. Get them saved, time is wasting.
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on December 03, 2022, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: Devil on November 28, 2022, 10:33:27 PM
Quote from: 70 sublime on November 28, 2022, 08:03:29 PM
So it sounds like the guy that owned the car when it got wet does not own it now ?
Did he take the insurance money and run now someone else bought it ??
Correct, the new owner bought them outright. No insurance claim.
They were both fully insured, just if it had gone through the insurance they would have been totaled. Neither owner wanted that.
Make you wonder if they were not insured or underinsured.
:popcrn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhwvyePLBaU
Quote from: tan top on December 19, 2022, 04:03:06 PM
:popcrn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhwvyePLBaU
Sorry, I forgot to post the update here. In a few weeks when it gets back from the strippers I'll post the update.
Cool! will be interesting/scary to see it come out of dipping. I've NEVER see one come out that wasn't swiss cheese
Saw a pic of the transmission they sent to Brewer's to rebuild, and there was already corrosion build up in the gears. Ugh.
Every nook and cranny is going to have to be attended to.
at least they are moving along rapidly on it...someone has deep pockets
Hi Folks, 24 December 2022
In our not so humble opinion, the Bird's and Daytona's that ended up submerged in ocean salt water and tossed around by the hurricane will never command the big bucks they would have, had the hurricane landed in "Worshington" DC rather than Florida.
The body damage did expose some preexisting rather dubious body repairs. Once the repair work is done they will make nice daily drivers.
It's a shame this happened but what can one expect when they choose to live in "Hurricane Alley" with their valuable cars. The climate and its high humidity will eventually do them in. Nice place to visit and that's about it. We do sympathize with all those that suffered anything do to the hurricane.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Curious what these dubious body repairs were? :scratchchin:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 24, 2022, 07:23:44 PM
Curious what these dubious body repairs were? :scratchchin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhwvyePLBaU
visible after the five minute mark
Hi Ernie, 24 December 2022
Thanks for finding it and posting. I remember seeing it and didn't think too much about it at the time. Had it not been for the hurricane damage, the damage may have remained undetected and the next buyer may have gotten burned. Just shows when one is buying one of these jewels, do a thorough inspection by a respected authority.
Take Care Ernie.
Wishing you, your family, friends, pets a Very Blessed Christmas and New Year !!!!
God Bless You and all the Members here.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
It's made alot of progress since
then http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,141851.0.html
Most restored cars are full of Bondo, Many Members here will show their cars being restored here at the Body shops showing it in fresh layers of Bondo. Bondo many times needed to get a car straight. Mostly a thin layer over entire car or most of car unless you got a really straight car, unlikely. When I did brand new Show Cars for Chrysler, we skimmed coat entire car & these had zero miles. BUT, I did notice this car did seem to have some unnecessary excessive thick Bondo in some locations & what seemed like old rust hiding under paint, looked to old & extreme to be recent rust from the hurricane, not a good sign. Also, the new Trunk Extensions were never properly coated which caused more rust. not good. I was under the impression done right the first time, who did it the first time. Anybody that wants a car done just to flip will have the work done as cheap as possible. because if you go all out to do it right, you won't make any money flipping it. :Twocents: :shruggy: :slap: LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 25, 2022, 03:26:13 PM
Most restored cars are full of Bondo, Many Members here will show their cars being restored here at the Body shops showing it in fresh layers of Bondo. Bondo many times needed to get a car straight. Mostly a thin layer over entire car or most of car unless you got a really straight car, unlikely. When I did brand new Show Cars for Chrysler, we skimmed coat entire car & these had zero miles. BUT, I did notice this car did seem to have some unnecessary excessive thick Bondo in some locations & what seemed like old rust hiding under paint, looked to old & extreme to be recent rust from the hurricane, not a good sign. Also, the new Trunk Extensions were never properly coated which caused more rust. not good. I was under the impression done right the first time, who did it the first time. Anybody that wants a car done just to flip will have the work done as cheap as possible. because if you go all out to do it right, you won't make any money flipping it. :Twocents: :shruggy: :slap: LEON.
You are correct as usual !!!!! BUT this one did get flipped lol, well not really funny
IT'S BACK!
The hurricane bird came back from Redi Strip last week.
For the most part it is what we thought it was and that is a car that was restored 10-12 years ago with what was available at the time. Partial quarter panels and a 2 piece trunk floor.
Here is the plan:
We will jig the body before removing any major structural panels.
We will replace the quarter panels with new full panels
Replace the trunk floor with a 1 piece panel
The trunk floor extensions are an old style reproduction with no drain holes, we will replace those also.
The rear body panel and the rear bumper reinforcements are not very good so we will replace those also.
The roof will be replaced and the roof structure will be straightened as it is pushed down 1/2".
The LH door skin will be replaced, the RH door will be repaired
The RH fender will be replaced, the LH fender may be repaired if we can't find a better one.
The trunk lid is nice.
The hood may be replaced, not sure yet.
Both rear frame rails are going to get replaced due to poor previous repairs. we will be using factory original parts for those.
The nose will need extensive reconstruction if we can not find a better one to use.
Follow along as the reconstruction continues!
FULL VIDEO walk around
https://youtu.be/stmHcMkI_5w
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52736880659_78bbcdae1c_b.jpg)
Does not sound like a very large percentage of that original car will be still with it when all said and done
That's what I call a survivor car! :smilielol:
Quote from: 70 sublime on March 13, 2023, 07:12:14 PMDoes not sound like a very large percentage of that original car will be still with it when all said and done
Only fixing what was already incorrect in the first place for the most part.
From your description, it seems that somewhere between 1/4-1/3 of the original body panels installed at the factory in 1969 will be in the final car.
Well at least it will have the original trunk lid.
New reproduction wiring, interior, brakes, suspension. Can probably find a used steering column and steering wheel, carb, plus heater box. Glass from somewhere else.
Kind of a definition of a Bitsa?
Sorry I forgot to post this update, I immediately left for Hot Rod Power Tour and some shenanigans.
I'm trying to understand the word description and how it matches up with the pictures. And by the way the car looks beautiful and I believe it will look fantastic when done.
From your description it appears that both quarters were replaced, as well as the trunk floor, the floor pan, roof, one door exterior metal, one fender, lower rear quarter extensions, and the body structure under the doors. The rear frames were incorrectly repaired previously so new pieces will be put in. None the less the rear frame rails will not be the ones the factory installed. It seems as if the rear trunk panel is being replaced too?
Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems as if the only body frame pieces originally installed at the factory behind the firewall will be some of the interior framing, a door, another door frame, the wing, the diamond pieces, the back window framing, and the trunk lid. Essentially the car has been built behind the firewall from a lot of parts, has it not? Perhaps the window mechanisms, trunk latch, door hardware and everything else will come from a parts car too?
How much of this is the assembly of a new car one piece at a time around some original interior body framing?
I'm guessing that the wiring harnesses will be replaced, as well as the front suspension, upholstery, and who knows what else?
So will the original engine block will be filled with new parts as will the transmission case?
I'd suggest a thoughtful and complete description of how much of the factory assembled car remains for those of us trying to understand how much of the original factory car remains please. A great project. Thank you.