Hey gang...
Well, since the picture was taken in an aero, I post it here.... Had a recent one on just the intake in the other section....... But, this will be the story thread.....
I have started the adventure called Operation 426-HEMI + Daytona.. :2thumbs:
I have recently purchased a complete Hemi 2x4 induction system sold through Mancini and chrome dome OEM air cleaner as well....... I think I have a scoop on a complete running/proven motor sans induction..... ( which I have now ).....
I have always wanted one and now's the time........ I'm keeping the ole' girl and will help Julie and Jacob develop memories of their Dad's Daytona and not so much relive my Dad's ( since it is becoming apparent it will be hard for me to get that nice F6 or 4speed version like Dad's ).....
I was just messing around this evening while I was shutting down my activities in the garage and thought I'd "test fit" the air cleaner for imagination's sake..
:2thumbs:
pretty!!
just my :Twocents: i think your Daytona is too nice an running to take apart,even for a hemi tranfer?? :Twocents: :Twocents:
how bout a rough an ready hemi powered 500 with the finish it has now for a few years ?? hot rod hemi 500 with some primer and have fun at track or scaring women an kids?just my :Twocents: have fun with your cars.
:popcrn: :drool5: :popcrn: :cheers: :2thumbs: dj out west
About the only time the air cleaner assembly looks big. ;)
Ah oh.... another itch! :rofl:
I think it's great!
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on November 17, 2013, 03:41:44 PM
Ah oh.... another itch! :rofl:
Well, the scratch isn't as bad any more......... I just spoke with a very nice guy and will purchase a motor, tomorrow I will send the money.... It is a 426 Hemi built with a 440 rotating assembly. That will reduce rotating mass and make the fit to my 440 car even more simple. I don't have to worry about the valve covers ( has proper '66-'69 covers ) and has an OEM 2x4 intake already. Soooooo, it is time to start shopping for TTI headers..... ( He may even have those for me too )......
Congrats Troy! Sounds like a fun project, HEMI can't be beat.. will be the best of both worlds :2thumbs:
Trav
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 17, 2013, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on November 17, 2013, 03:41:44 PM
Ah oh.... another itch! :rofl:
Well, the scratch isn't as bad any more......... I just spoke with a very nice guy and will purchase a motor, tomorrow I will send the money.... It is a 426 Hemi built with a 440 rotating assembly. That will reduce rotating mass and make the fit to my 440 car even more simple. I don't have to worry about the valve covers ( has proper '66-'69 covers ) and has an OEM 2x4 intake already. Soooooo, it is time to start shopping for TTI headers..... ( He may even have those for me too )......
If you are going to do it, do it right. A stock Hemi is boring, believe me, I have 3, all stock, unfortunately they are original Hemi cars, so they have to stay that way. A friend of mine on another site just finished a 528 Hemi F3R Procharger, dynoed at 1747 HP, totally streetable with a hydraulic roller cam, around .550 lift. He pulled a 8-71 blower off the motor and changed over. Best times on the old setup was 9.18 , this one should be flying in the 7's. Just make sure you get an engine with around 9-1 compression, then you can add the Procharger on later. With that type of power you really will need wings.
Congrats! :2thumbs:
Quote from: Speedfreak on November 17, 2013, 06:03:31 PM
If you are going to do it, do it right. A stock Hemi is boring, believe me, I have 3, all stock, unfortunately they are original Hemi cars, so they have to stay that way. A friend of mine on another site just finished a 528 Hemi F3R Procharger, dynoed at 1747 HP, totally streetable with a hydraulic roller cam, around .550 lift. He pulled a 8-71 blower off the motor and changed over. Best times on the old setup was 9.18 , this one should be flying in the 7's. Just make sure you get an engine with around 9-1 compression, then you can add the Procharger on later. With that type of power you really will need wings.
Thanks for the tip.. But, I won't be looking to break ET records or be the baddest car in town. I have always wanted a HEMI Daytona, but one that I can drive that's not going to be overly tempermental.......... I like the visual WOW factor to be honest, but that coupled with the headers and electric dumps I'm going to put on it, it'll have a audible WOW factor as well.
:cheers: awesome stuff , looking forward to seeing updates & pictures & stuff :yesnod:
Go for a 477 stroker; you won't regret it at all.
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on November 18, 2013, 08:04:48 PM
Go for a 477 stroker; you won't regret it at all.
Already have one lined up............ Just put the "check" in the mail............... :2thumbs:
OK Troy gotta ask. Are we drilling holes and putting emblems on the doors. To me that's almost as neet as opening up the hood on a Hemi car.
Emphasize Almost!
Quote from: Davtona on November 18, 2013, 11:48:07 PM
OK Troy gotta ask. Are you drilling holes and putting emblems on the doors? To me that's almost as neat as opening up the hood on a Hemi car.
Emphasize Almost!
I wouldn't drill in any holes in a real Daytona. The red colored 3M double sided tape works just as well. Triple digit mph hasn't affected them either. I can pull on them & they won't budge and it's been almost 8 years.
I cut the pegs off & built the inside of the emblem up with the tape so it was flush & that was all it took.
As I'm sure you know, just make sure the body is clean from wax, etc.
________________
The most asked question I get, "Is it real?"
My favorite reply if there's no kids, "Touch it, does it feel real?" :hah:
Quote from: Davtona on November 18, 2013, 11:48:07 PM
OK Troy gotta ask. Are we drilling holes and putting emblems on the doors. To me that's almost as neet as opening up the hood on a Hemi car.
Emphasize Almost!
Yeappers,,, Just as Mike has eluded to, that's my plan of attack on the door emblem, no hole-drilling. I still have the original "HEMI" badges from my former hemi '68 Charger R/T and test fit one on my C500.... Works like a charm............
What's your plans,... conversion mounts with existing K-member, or a hemi K ?
Quote from: thehemikid on November 20, 2013, 04:38:43 PM
What's your plans,... conversion mounts with existing K-member, or a hemi K ?
Well, in a perfect world, I would find an original hemi k-member on the cheap, but the reality is, it will probably be more cost effective to just get the Schumacher ( sp ) mounts.
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 18, 2013, 10:48:49 PM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on November 18, 2013, 08:04:48 PM
Go for a 477 stroker; you won't regret it at all.
Already have one lined up............ Just put the "check" in the mail............... :2thumbs:
So you are going for a little more than visual wow. ;) :D
Quote from: Ghoste on November 21, 2013, 11:45:20 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 18, 2013, 10:48:49 PM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on November 18, 2013, 08:04:48 PM
Go for a 477 stroker; you won't regret it at all.
Already have one lined up............ Just put the "check" in the mail............... :2thumbs:
So you are going for a little more than visual wow. ;) :D
Well, my reply was supposed to communicate I have a HEMI on it's way, a 426.... Not a 477...........
Dumb question time Troy:
Have you run a stroked Hemi yet or rode in one? When I mean run, get after it hard.
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 18, 2013, 09:02:32 AM
Quote from: Speedfreak on November 17, 2013, 06:03:31 PM
If you are going to do it, do it right. A stock Hemi is boring, believe me, I have 3, all stock, unfortunately they are original Hemi cars, so they have to stay that way. A friend of mine on another site just finished a 528 Hemi F3R Procharger, dynoed at 1747 HP, totally streetable with a hydraulic roller cam, around .550 lift. He pulled a 8-71 blower off the motor and changed over. Best times on the old setup was 9.18 , this one should be flying in the 7's. Just make sure you get an engine with around 9-1 compression, then you can add the Procharger on later. With that type of power you really will need wings.
Thanks for the tip.. But, I won't be looking to break ET records or be the baddest car in town. I have always wanted a HEMI Daytona, but one that I can drive that's not going to be overly tempermental.......... I like the visual WOW factor to be honest, but that coupled with the headers and electric dumps I'm going to put on it, it'll have a audible WOW factor as well.
I installed QTP exhaust cutouts with a controller on a 69 Roadrunner with a six barrel. They sounded great but would work intermittently for some reason. When we rolled up on the stage during a Mecum auction, the sorry things wouldn't open...right when I needed them to work. As I drove off of the stage after the bidding was over, they started working again. Stupid cutouts. I should have left the controller off altogether and opened them individually. They've redesigned them and they may work much better now. Let me know how they work. I plan to run them on my F&F Daytona clone.
Quote from: hotrod98 on November 21, 2013, 08:12:00 PM
I installed QTP exhaust cutouts with a controller on a 69 Roadrunner with a six barrel....
Those are exactly what I'm getting for mine. My buddy Scott here in Houston has them on his '69 HEMI Charger R/T and they, seemingly, work great. It is what sold me on getting them. :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 21, 2013, 07:44:02 AM
Quote from: thehemikid on November 20, 2013, 04:38:43 PM
What's your plans,... conversion mounts with existing K-member, or a hemi K ?
Well, in a perfect world, I would find an original hemi k-member on the cheap, but the reality is, it will probably be more cost effective to just get the Schumacher ( sp ) mounts.
My Schumacher's would leave the motor cocked at an angle (trans to the passenger side in the tunnel) to the point, it would've taken a pry bar with a heck of a strain to line it up. Loosened all the button heads on the Schumacher's & moved all the slack & all other bolts loose in favor of the problem & almost didn't make any difference. I would of had to bur grind the holes to make them "slots" & figured it would need extra material welded (as far as this trans needed to go) after that in order for the ones I have to work. It was either the K-member bolted or the trans bolted, but not both. Too much of a strain.
I know there are many guys that have built 3, 5, of more cars with the conversion mounts with not trouble like this, & I don't doubt that one bit. Just the luck of the draw for me. Maybe all the clearances added up against me, :P or Murphy took a liken to this set. :icon_smile_blackeye:
So I called John Arruzza (sp) & he doesn't have any at this time, hasn't made any in about 8 months. Said he's busy building motors, ...I said I understand.
So I have a repro K coming from Mega,...any body have any problems with those?
Quote from: thehemikid on November 21, 2013, 10:47:11 PM
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So I called John Arruzza (sp) & he doesn't have any at this time, hasn't made any in about 8 months. Said he's busy building motors, ...I said I understand.
So I have a repro K coming from Mega,...any body have any problems with those?
John? Is he the one that builds the motor mounts for Schumacher? I would love a Hemi K-member from Jaime at Mega, but I need to spend the money I have wisely so when it is all gone, I have a running Hemi Daytona....... If the financial forecast as I get closer shows I have extra money, I may spring for a k-member and motor mounts...... I'll have to get motor mount brackets too if I get the k-member since the ones I had went with the Hemi '68 I traded off....
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 22, 2013, 08:37:11 AM
Quote from: thehemikid on November 21, 2013, 10:47:11 PM
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So I called John Arruzza (sp) & he doesn't have any at this time, hasn't made any in about 8 months. Said he's busy building motors, ...I said I understand.
So I have a repro K coming from Mega,...any body have any problems with those?
John? Is he the one that builds the motor mounts for Schumacher? I would love a Hemi K-member from Jaime at Mega, but I need to spend the money I have wisely so when it is all gone, I have a running Hemi Daytona....... If the financial forecast as I get closer shows I have extra money, I may spring for a k-member and motor mounts...... I'll have to get motor mount brackets too if I get the k-member since the ones I had went with the Hemi '68 I traded off....
No, John has been making his own conversion mounts for probably 20 yrs or more (iirc according to his site info). A pretty good while before Schumacher. But John's are a solid mount (I'll double check that too), & locate the motor more correctly to the stock location, where the Schumacher raises the motor & moves it to the passenger side a small amount helping on the #1 primary clearance somewhat, but may get a header tube/collector close on the passenger side T-bar, but ummv. Like my mileage very'd with the Schumachers. Seems some people don't have a vibration issue with the solid mounts & some do.
Edit: I see that John's uses a rubber mount on the passenger side, solving a lot of the vibe. Also he says there have been a lot of update on his mounts (site info) but a the moment it doesn't matter if there not available!
I understand the whisper of "Hemi" ...& every cash register in 10 square miles jingles.
It was a little easier for me to go with the Mega K because I could rob the brackets off another project.
As far as the Arruzza's just to show you what they look like, if this is the right link, its at the very bottom of the page.
http://www.arruzzahighperformance.com/Parts/Parts.html
Quote from: thehemikid on November 22, 2013, 04:25:05 PM
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Edit: I see that John's uses a rubber mount on the passenger side, solving a lot of the vibe. Also he says there have been a lot of update on his mounts (site info) but a the moment it doesn't matter if there not available!
I see what you mean, seems like a good set......... I'll reach out and see if he has any "hidden" stash...... :2thumbs:
Thanks for your input..........
OK, test fit of the "HEMI" call-out emblem....... Look totally natural too me.......
Well,
Spoke with Wayne ( theramman ) yesterday on a COMPLETE assembly; offset bracket, reman hemi booster and proper master cylinder. I have 3 extra Bendix boosters, so they will be getting me a $ credit... Sooo, that's the avenue I'm going down.......
426 Hemi: Check
OEMstyle carbs: Check
Air Cleaner: Check
complete Hemi brake booster assembly: Check..
need to get:
motor mount brackets
headers
engine wiring harness
Nice!
So will you be bending your existing engine side brake lines or you getting the fender side lines to thread into the MC?
And as for the Hemi emblem test fit... :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: FJMG on November 26, 2013, 01:04:16 PM
Nice!
So will you be bending your existing engine side brake lines or you getting the fender side lines to thread into the MC?
Being that I have a complete brake line kit from Finelines ( front to rear ), I am going to get the proper driver's side mounting lines for the master cylinder...........
And - Hemi battery cables?
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 26, 2013, 01:42:23 PM
And - Hemi battery cables?
yeap, that too............ :2thumbs:
I will have to get a proper Federal power steering pump bracket as well. I have a couple of Federal pumps in my stash, so hopefully I can rebuild one that's close to original design... I will used the 440 crank and water pump pulleys. The motor I'm getting has a 440 rotating assembly...... So,,,,,,,, I won't have the thick dampner........
hey Troy i have to say, i like what you are doing to the car,the emblem on the door looks like IT SHOULD BE THERE, oh & the hemi under the hood will be cool too :yesnod:
Quote from: cdr on November 26, 2013, 05:49:26 PM
hey Troy i have to say, i like what you are doing to the car,the emblem on the door looks like IT SHOULD BE THERE, oh & the hemi under the hood will be cool too :yesnod:
Maybe you can swing by when the transplant operation takes place once all my ducks are in a row.......
sounds good. :2thumbs: i needs to get by there anyhow just to say :wave:
Quote from: thehemikid on November 21, 2013, 10:47:11 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 21, 2013, 07:44:02 AM
Quote from: thehemikid on November 20, 2013, 04:38:43 PM
What's your plans,... conversion mounts with existing K-member, or a hemi K ?
Well, in a perfect world, I would find an original hemi k-member on the cheap, but the reality is, it will probably be more cost effective to just get the Schumacher ( sp ) mounts.
My Schumacher's would leave the motor cocked at an angle (trans to the passenger side in the tunnel) to the point, it would've taken a pry bar with a heck of a strain to line it up. Loosened all the button heads on the Schumacher's & moved all the slack & all other bolts loose in favor of the problem & almost didn't make any difference. I would of had to bur grind the holes to make them "slots" & figured it would need extra material welded (as far as this trans needed to go) after that in order for the ones I have to work. It was either the K-member bolted or the trans bolted, but not both. Too much of a strain.
I know there are many guys that have built 3, 5, of more cars with the conversion mounts with not trouble like this, & I don't doubt that one bit. Just the luck of the draw for me. Maybe all the clearances added up against me, :P or Murphy took a liken to this set. :icon_smile_blackeye:
So I called John Arruzza (sp) & he doesn't have any at this time, hasn't made any in about 8 months. Said he's busy building motors, ...I said I understand.
So I have a repro K coming from Mega,...any body have any problems with those?
I used a MegaParts Hemik in my Daytona Clone and it worked flawlessly.
This place will sell you a new Bendix for $200, at least a year ago it was. I don't know whether you want to have the Hemi Bendix for personal reasons or if the standard is good enough.
http://mbmbrakeboosters.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=mbmflypage.tpl&product_id=409&category_id=12&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=6
Contact member "ernie" & he can hook you up with the bracketry.
I'm pretty sure going the above route is a fraction of what Ram man charges
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on November 26, 2013, 11:34:40 PM
This place will sell you a new Bendix for $200, at least a year ago it was. I don't know whether you want to have the Hemi Bendix for personal reasons or if the standard is good enough.
http://mbmbrakeboosters.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=mbmflypage.tpl&product_id=409&category_id=12&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=6
Contact member "ernie" & he can hook you up with the bracketry.
I'm pretty sure going the above route is a fraction of what Ram man charges
Hey Mike,,,
Thanks for the insight... :2thumbs:
But, I have already made a commitment with Wayne and feel I'll be getting value.... With the trade-in value of the boosters I have, it'll be close to 40% off...
Scott's carbs from Harms Auto arrived today... :)
I'm off to get the 426 Hemi Friday...... :2thumbs:
For my application and combined with the fact I'm going with headers, I like the electric part for the choke....
Pretty jewelry.
Agreed, nice to see you're doing it right and not just dropping it in as quickly and cheaply as possible.
Looks good Troy! The Hemi will be in the car by Christmas?? Early gift I see. :cheers:
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on December 10, 2013, 08:30:05 AM
Looks good Troy! The Hemi will be in the car by Christmas?? Early gift I see. :cheers:
Well.......... :D
Just got contacted from the gent the motor's at, all safe and sound tucked away for me.. Heading up there Friday to pick it up.......
You announced this in mid-November and youre not done yet? :shruggy:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on December 10, 2013, 07:13:40 PM
You announced this in mid-November and youre not done yet? :shruggy:
Logistics, Logistics, Logistics......
The more pics you post the more jealous I am Troy. Looking good though. Can not wait to see finished product.
So cool Troy!I really like your Daytona and I don't think your doing any harm putting a Hemi in it. Its not like your turning it into a Pro Touring car :eek2:
Does your Daytona have it numbers matching motor?
The dirty primered Hemi Charger 500 does sound like a legend in the making, but I am partial since I spent some time in moparchris's Hemi 500 way back in the day when I was a kid. That car runs better than any stock Hemi I rode in. Wicked.
What we have here is another piece to the Hemi-puzzle, the special offset bracket, booster and master cylinder for Hemi-equipped Mopars with power brakes. A special "thank you" to Wayne of "theramman". He was adventure-enough to drive 4+ ho...urs from Ft.Worth to bring me the assembly and take the Bendix cores I had for him. It was pretty amazing to chat and discover all the people we mutually know, even shedding a tear about our common friend, which we didn't know the other knew, Jim Poncik. We share many different stories about our military careers, Christ, families and of course, mopars !!
Thanks Wayne !!! :2thumbs:
Got home this evening and placed the motor in the garage next to the future destination......... Thanks to Tom, the gent I bought the motor from. He was spot-on with his description and fabrication of a cool rolling dolly... Now, some more fun time in detailing.......
:drool5: :drool5: :dance: awesome :yesnod: :popcrn:
Yummy! :drool5:
Nice shopping cart dolly!
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on December 15, 2013, 12:15:31 PM
Yummy! :drool5:
Nice shopping cart dolly!
Believe it or not, it actually is........ It just rolls all around without effort. I may just leave it on that instead of putting it on an engine stand. I can still detail it as it sits. Once I get to the point of mating the engine to the 727 and headers, then I'll position it on my other dolly that the k-member will sit on..... Tom has quite the imagination......... :2thumbs:
This thread is really rolling along! :popcrn:
I got my car back from the shop like two months ago and have little progress to mention. :P
Might as well do the 4 speed swap while your at it.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 15, 2013, 05:54:56 PM
Might as well do the 4 speed swap while your at it.
I recommended the 5 spd swap,...easier now than later :icon_smile_big:
Troy, I really like where this is going. As you know I just did this swap on a Superbird. I'll start a new thread on my experience with this ordeal, hopefully this is not your first rodeo, and you have better luck than I did on this swap.
I used some of your info as a reference on your 68 Hemi swap
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 15, 2013, 05:54:56 PM
Might as well do the 4 speed swap while your at it.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
Another vote for for a clutch. :icon_smile_big:
Great thread going on here! :2thumbs:
Hemi over 440?
All Aero cars sholud have Hemi's and 4-speeds in my book LoL!
If and when my 440-C500 is done, it will be a Hemi-4speed-dana car.
As I would have ordered it back in the day!
Here's where the problem lies, most UK Moparfolks don't agree with engine/color swaps on rare Aero cars???
As they made 26 Hemi-4's (and only 25 440-4's) I think finding a real one is gonna be kinda hard LoL :smilielol:
Your thread has made me feel easier about fitting the Hemi now.
Sod the others, I'm having what I want. :moon:
Keep up the good work and Happy Christmas to you and your Hemi!!! :cheers:
500Jon
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 15, 2013, 05:54:56 PM
Might as well do the 4 speed swap while your at it.
x2. :2thumbs:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on December 15, 2013, 06:17:22 PM
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 15, 2013, 05:54:56 PM
Might as well do the 4 speed swap while your at it.
I recommended the 5 spd swap,...easier now than later :icon_smile_big:
smaller hole in the floor, too. And it wasn't like my 4 speed swap was as cheap as I thought it would be, either...
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 14, 2013, 11:45:28 PM
Got home this evening and placed the motor in the garage next to the future destination......... Thanks to Tom, the gent I bought the motor from. He was spot-on with his description and fabrication of a cool rolling dolly... Now, some more fun time in detailing.......
Congrats Bud, that is a thing beauty. Wow
Troy I vote that you stay with the automatic. I have a hemi automatic that I'm going to use in my F&F Daytona along with a GVO. I have enough manual trans cars and I'm tired of rowing gears in traffic.
I seriously had thought about installing my 426 hemi in my Superbird but the six pack runs great and gets decent fuel mileage. That and I have the custom air grabber hood and a real factory air grabber air cleaner setup on my six pack. Kind of hated messing with that.
I'll just put the 426 into the F&F Daytona clone next year. Not sure which air cleaner will work with the Stage V dual quad FAST setup though. Might have to custom fab one. The center to center carb spacing on the Stage V intake is different than on the stock intake.
I like the chrome dome and someone said that they think they might make one with the wider spacing. Not sure.
Troy it is great to see you going in this direction! It was tiring seeing your ad's posted on all the common sites for so long. Finding the proper direction in a car you know through and through is definitely going to make you a happy man!!
Best of luck with this project.
Ron :cheers:
Quote from: RJS on December 21, 2013, 11:27:45 AM
Troy it is great to see you going in this direction! It was tiring seeing your ad's posted on all the common sites for so long. Finding the proper direction in a car you know through and through is definitely going to make you a happy man!!
Best of luck with this project.
Ron :cheers:
Thanks everyone........
My ads had a greater good, finding a Daytona that was closer to what my Dad had. I had two potentials, but the problem was I wasn't able to find a buyer for mine............ So, as I eluded to in the very beginning of the thread, I decided to just keep mine ( and as you have observed, I know it inside and out ). Now, I have direction that's in MY control, not at the mercy of someone buying mine........ So, that in itself is liberating,,,, in a mopar-sort-of-way...
The journey continues....... I'm getting a bunch of gifts from Santa ( by way of Jaime at MegaParts ) Monday...... :)
I don't think anyone should take a Charger and modify them at all from how they came originally :)
Dane
Quote from: Daytona Guy on December 21, 2013, 03:27:24 PM
I don't think anyone should take a Charger and modify them at all from how they came originally :)
Dane
:2thumbs: :smilielol:
Quote from: Daytona Guy on December 21, 2013, 03:27:24 PM
I don't think anyone should take a Charger and modify them at all from how they came originally :)
Dane
Just got an early Christmas delivery from Santa-MegaParts.... Thanks Jaime.......
A bounch of parts per example:
both battery cables, carb air cleaner studs, various fasteners, date-coded Hemi spark plugs cables, etc...... Will be nice to see these on a freshly painted motor.....
Troy,
I am really enjoying your Daytona + Hemi = Hemi Daytona project!
You have nugged me forward on my R4 Daytona! I barter back and forth with my racing partner who rebuilds and builds 727 ransmissions. Last week I dropped off a fiberglass hood that I did for him. During our barter session we discussed where we were at? To even things up he is building me a stout 727 to go behind my old US 30 race motor!
If I decide to leave the R4 Daytona as is and rat rod it I will have the engine and trans to do it!!! I have taken an inventory of what would it would take to get it going and all I would need is a good convertor and a set of nice headers and mufflers!
MJ
Looking good Troy!!
Right before my family's Christmas vacation, I received a bunch of parts from Jaime at MegaParts USA. :icon_smile_big:
Today I replaced the intake fasteners that were on the motor with an OEM correct set with the proper return spring and throttle brackets. I also mocked up the throttle/kickdown assembly to make sure everything works fine. The kickdown is made by Brian Brady at crossramconnection, so quality stuff. I knew I forgot something, the rear body ground strap. So, that'll be on my next list. Need to have that installed prior to detail painting. I am going to go ahead and order a complete Hemi k-member and proper brackets for the car.... Heard some negative things about the Schumacher adapters and can't ever get ahold of John Azzurra to inquire about his hemi motor mount adapters.....
Quote from: hotrod98 on December 17, 2013, 10:20:49 PM
Not sure which air cleaner will work with the Stage V dual quad FAST setup though. Might have to custom fab one. The center to center carb spacing on the Stage V intake is different than on the stock intake.
I like the chrome dome and someone said that they think they might make one with the wider spacing. Not sure.
You might contact Tim @ FHO. He sold me my Stage V base plate & top plate, linkage, all kinds of stuff.
My only issue is the base plates' don't have the little 1" strip around the base & the little shield up front. I asked Ben Snobar this last summer & no one made them yet. My plan was to try & find even a 383 base that someone hacked the center up in or a factory flub. Years back Ben said he could do that for me & I could cut those pieces & add to mine.
Problem is the bank dried up, hoping it fills back up by the end of this year. ;)
Are you wanting to have the 70 none fresh air Oval skirt & splash shield on the Stage V intake & carbs?
Quote from: thehemikid on January 03, 2014, 11:19:45 PM
Are you wanting to have the 70 none fresh air Oval skirt & splash shield on the Stage V intake & carbs?
Yes. I prefer the oval setup over the chrome dome setup. I want the oval setup that will work on the stage V dual quad intake.
If you know of anything, please pm me instead of responding on Troy's thread. Thanks.
No new pictures in a while...
Just got my proper water pump housing ( Thanks Sal ).... along with some other parts here and there.... Got the new .96 torsion bars yesterday. The hemi k-member and brackets are on their way..... The TTI headers are in route as well......... Tried putting the MSD unit in it today but ran into a snag I am trying to figure out....... Still mocking this up and will paint soon once I get the water pump housing cleaned up in the blaster......
please get that fram filter off,,,use 51515 wix.
Quote from: cdr on February 01, 2014, 10:58:08 PM
please get that fram filter off,,,use 51515 wix.
lol !! I was thinking the same thing when I seen the pic above. Looking good Troy.
Dan.
Quote from: cdr on February 01, 2014, 10:58:08 PM
please get that fram filter off,,,use 51515 wix.
I concur! Unless thats only on for engine painting purposes!
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on February 02, 2014, 10:21:25 AM
Quote from: cdr on February 01, 2014, 10:58:08 PM
please get that fram filter off,,,use 51515 wix.
I concur! Unless thats only on for engine painting purposes!
Yes, it was on there for break in when the previous owner/builder did it.. I will replace it but hadn't even thought that far yet... I will get another one and I concur about the quality of WIX products.....
Quote from: cdr on February 01, 2014, 10:58:08 PM
please get that fram filter off,,,use 51515 wix.
What is the advantage of WIX filters, I hadn't heard of them before ?
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on February 02, 2014, 08:47:57 PM
Quote from: cdr on February 01, 2014, 10:58:08 PM
please get that fram filter off,,,use 51515 wix.
What is the advantage of WIX filters, I hadn't heard of them before ?
Nothing if it's still a bypass style filter. The difference is in the filtering media. The WIX has more media and a finer filtration of media. Problem is, if it bypasses it still isn't any better...... :eek2:
Quote from: Hemi Runner on February 03, 2014, 07:14:48 PM
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on February 02, 2014, 08:47:57 PM
Quote from: cdr on February 01, 2014, 10:58:08 PM
please get that fram filter off,,,use 51515 wix.
What is the advantage of WIX filters, I hadn't heard of them before ?
Nothing if it's still a bypass style filter. The difference is in the filtering media. The WIX has more media and a finer filtration of media. Problem is, if it bypasses it still isn't any better...... :eek2:
also the anti drain back valve does not work in the fram,,car sits for a week & all the oil drains out of the filter.
New goodies arrived today....... TTI cermanic coated headers !!! and .96 torsion bars....
More goodies today.........
Hemi K-member and motor mount brackets from crossramconnection.com. Good job Brian and Mr. Norm..... :2thumbs:
I know I know....... Not the "proper" fan clutch..... ;D
:drool5:...fan clutch... :drool5:...what fan clutch?
Another piece to the puzzle, got my dolly back.........
So , crossram connections builds Hemi k frames too? If you don't mind? What do they get for them?
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on February 08, 2014, 10:00:27 AM
So , crossram connections builds Hemi k frames too? If you don't mind? What do they get for them?
Off the top of my head I believe it was $750 powder coated. I got the motor mount brackets too and so far, fit like a glove... We'll see how it all goes together....
Nice. It will be a very clean install. Make sure you assemble as much as possible before you slide it up in there. Then you don't have to work over the nose or fender too much.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on February 08, 2014, 11:11:49 AM
Nice. It will be a very clean install. Make sure you assemble as much as possible before you slide it up in there. Then you don't have to work over the nose or fender too much.
Oh no.. The steering box will be in, the headers, the starter, the wiring, transmission w/ GearVendor, etc..... I will be completely rebuilding the brake hydraulic system along with installing the new Hemi Booster/MC assembly. I have to get the hemi MC lines to the valves. When I bought the complete tubing system, I didn't have this grandiose idea of a 426 Hemi install.....
Today was a day of MSD installation. I want the engine compartment to look as OEM as possible with the components I am using. I decided to install the MSD box in the nose. There were already two holes drilled in the Z-bar from something in the car's past. So, I decided to fabricate a mount to use those holes. I used OEM connectors where I could. I will finish later on in the week. For now, I will use the points distributor as the trigger.
some wiring
:2thumbs: :popcrn:
Troy,
Those headers look almost as shiny as the air cleaner lid!
Have you got any idea how much horspower your going to make with the Hemi + headers + MSD + ???
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on February 10, 2014, 09:31:15 AM
Troy,
Those headers look almost as shiny as the air cleaner lid!
Have you got any idea how much horspower your going to make with the Hemi + headers + MSD + ???
MJ
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, nope.........
Enough to make me very, as Phil from Duck Dynasty says, "Happy Happy Happy".........
The motor has 9.7:1 compression and I'm not totally sure about the camshaft other than it is hydraulic and not to "big". Tom, the friend I bought the motor from, states it will be a great street cruiser. The headers and such can only add to the HP Talley
Did some detailing today ( prefect day since it rained most of it )...
1. freshened up the valve covers with a new coat of paint
2. installed the fuel line and pump ( need to get fittings )
3. painted the thermostat housing I got ( proper one with the right casting number )
4. installed the driver's side motor mount insulator and painted it ( as it was on the motor when painted; of course, after I bought another one, I found the original I had all along sitting in the cabinet...... :brickwall: ). Oh well, now I have an extra......
5. installed the alternator with, what I believe it, the proper pulley ( not the late model dual pulley you get on stuff now )..... Along with that, the brackets as well.
Looks good regardless... :icon_smile_big:
May not be 100% perfectly OEM correct, but it's not half bad either.............
Nothing like the classics. :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Looks great Troy! :2thumbs:
When is the transplant?
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on March 16, 2014, 09:24:13 AM
Looks great Troy! :2thumbs:
When is the transplant?
You mean it aint in yet? What's taking so long?
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 16, 2014, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on March 16, 2014, 09:24:13 AM
Looks great Troy! :2thumbs:
When is the transplant?
You mean it aint in yet? What's taking so long?
You going to give me an interest-free loan that I don't have to pay back? I mean, I have a great new job, but it ain't that great.......... One step in front of the other... Plus, I'm waiting for the other car to show up before I "decommission" this one and place her in the hospital for the transplant.....
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 16, 2014, 01:22:30 PM
I'm waiting for the other car to show up before I "decommission" this one and place her in the hospital for the transplant.....
:2thumbs: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
:scope: :scope: :scope: :scope: :yesnod: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
One step closer... My AR140 AR Engineering .375 crank spacers arrived today... From the looks of it, it looks dead-on.. I think this was a relatively good solution and quickly at about $80 total........ I just need to get some longer bolts...... Hopefully I can find the same type of bolts that are OEM, but a little longer.......
Scott, whatcha think?
:2thumbs: For eighty bucks you did fine.
Some more today.......
Power steering pump... I got my refurbished Federal Power Steering pump back today with the proper Hemi pulley installed. I painted it all up and installed. I am pleased thus far with the alignment of water pump, alternator, crank and p.s. pump with the AR140 spacers for the crank.... Also got my tranny dipstick for a hemi and fuel fittings for the fuel pump. I am looking into getting the proper squeeze fuel line clamps. A little OEM-overkill, but that's what I'm all about as long as it doesn't break the bank or take food off the table...... ( or beer in the Frig........ :icon_smile_big: )
Also, pleasant surprise. I was taking off the remanufacture decals placed on the alternator I got last week from the local auto parts house. Low and behold, the darn thing is a proper 1969 383/440 alternator !!! with a date code of 4-69 no less !!! The same month my Daytona was built !!! This alternator is a keeper !! With the proper era pulley, she looks the part......
Ok, today lifted the motor off the cradle and put on an engine stand so I could tinker with the headers and modify the dipstick tube to accommodate the headers..... I think it came out pretty cool...
Dipstick modification..
I used a piece of wire to make a template of sorts to I could pattern the bends/modifications to the OEM dipstick tube to accommodate the headers. I think it came out pretty good... Not touching the header tubes and the dipstick can be inserted just fine..........
Alright guys,,,,,, You know what I mean...... :smilielol:
Finished...... of course they are temporarily installed, still have tranny and starter to due eventually....
is that a #s matching dip stick :D
Quote from: cdr on March 30, 2014, 10:46:14 PM
is that a #s matching dip stick :D
Reproduction date-coded correct OEM NOS piece................. That, as Kori has eluded to me, will need to be slightly modified again. As I was doing this, I was living in a 440-world. The tube will need to be bend slightly more vertical and maybe forward some. There's that battery tray that could potentially give me some grief. But, I'll overcome.
Well there's an hour's worth of work. What did you do the rest of the day? :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 31, 2014, 07:29:35 AM
Well there's an hour's worth of work. What did you do the rest of the day? :icon_smile_big:
Went to church, mounted decorative metal frame plant holders outside ( Honey-do ), picked up the last of the Girl Scout cookies for delivery for my daughter, moved the motor from the dolley it was on to the engine stand, changed out all the exhaust gaskets on the Green Superbee there in the garage all while watching the NASCAR Cup and truck race...........
That's looking great! The headers are a wise choice and you'll never see them once installed.
I have been lurking this thread for a bit, and I have to say that I can't wait to see it in place. I hope the other car arrives real soon!
Troy,
That was a great surprise on the alternator!
I need to order one for the Superbird and see what happens?
MJ
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 17, 2014, 07:23:55 PM
One step closer... My AR140 AR Engineering .375 crank spacers arrived today... From the looks of it, it looks dead-on.. I think this was a relatively good solution and quickly at about $80 total........ I just need to get some longer bolts...... Hopefully I can find the same type of bolts that are OEM, but a little longer.......
Scott, whatcha think?
Could just be an optical, but the lower pulley appears to be located further back (groove alignment wise) than the water pump pulley, did you put a straight edge against the water pump pulley groove back edge to see where it lined up in relation to the bottom groove?, otherwise if it's off, your going to throw belts, FYI run solid V belts, esp the alternator, as the cogged style will roll over in high RPM blasts....the HEMI winds up more rapid than a 440, and higher RPMs as well, I had that issue running cogged belts on a few 472 HEMIs
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 04, 2014, 11:32:03 AM
Could just be an optical, but the lower pulley appears to be located further back (groove alignment wise) than the water pump pulley, did you put a straight edge against the water pump pulley groove back edge to see where it lined up in relation to the bottom groove?, otherwise if it's off, your going to throw belts, FYI run solid V belts, esp the alternator, as the cogged style will roll over in high RPM blasts....the HEMI winds up more rapid than a 440, and higher RPMs as well, I had that issue running cogged belts on a few 472 HEMIs
Good points Mike.. I will be getting some solid belts.......... Any suggestion on a brand? I was thinking of the reproduction ones, but man... $75 for one belt?
AB - The re-pops like nice but they stretch fast and fly off. Get a good brand name.
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 04, 2014, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 04, 2014, 11:32:03 AM
Could just be an optical, but the lower pulley appears to be located further back (groove alignment wise) than the water pump pulley, did you put a straight edge against the water pump pulley groove back edge to see where it lined up in relation to the bottom groove?, otherwise if it's off, your going to throw belts, FYI run solid V belts, esp the alternator, as the cogged style will roll over in high RPM blasts....the HEMI winds up more rapid than a 440, and higher RPMs as well, I had that issue running cogged belts on a few 472 HEMIs
Good points Mike.. I will be getting some solid belts.......... Any suggestion on a brand? I was thinking of the reproduction ones, but man... $75 for one belt?
Bando brand
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 04, 2014, 04:21:50 PM
Bando brand
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Just emailed the distributor to find a regional store....... Thanks guys.......
OK, this isn't directly related to the hemi transplant, but it is something I'm doing to make the "little things" of my Daytona even better. The rear tail lamp panel has always rubbed me the wrong way. It was painted back when the car was restored in 1994. Back then, there wasn't the emphasis to make things as "correct" as possible. Hence, the rear panel was painted black, as it should have been, but not the proper textured organisol...... So, I bought a can from Totally Auto thinking I could do it myself. After all, it isn't a big panel like a door or quarter. The first can I bought was defective, so Totally Auto stepped up and is sending me another. So, in the meantime, I disassembled what I should, scuffed and sanded the panel and masked it off.... So, now I'll get some good primer and apply. I have found the Dupli-Color Engine Primer lays down real well.... Man, that taillamp panel is so nice......... The more I dig, the more I find the sheetmetal on my car is so so so nice.......
Applied the primer yesterday... Waiting on the new can of Organisol from Totally Auto to show up......... Yes, I'll be putting a car cover on it so there's no black overspray..... Nothing happened with the primer application............
Looking good there Troy :2thumbs:
Looking good Troy, but I have to ask about the elephant in the room, pun intended. Whats up with the Bee in the backround?
Quote from: wingcarenvy on April 20, 2014, 07:21:34 PM
Looking good Troy, but I have to ask about the elephant in the room, pun intended. Whats up with the Bee in the backround?
Hey everyone...
Here's a link to my recent project to the Daytona not related to the Elephant....
Project taillamp-panel-repaint (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109923.0.html)
Envy,
the Elephant is going into the Daytona soon....... I may start this weekend with getting the car ready for the 440/727 removal....
Quote from: Hemi Runner on March 31, 2014, 06:17:17 PM
That's looking great! The headers are a wise choice and you'll never see them once installed.
I think that was the only item I bought that I could save some $$, going with the chrome ttis instead of the ceramic.
I like the ceramic as that's what I always buy. But as Runner alluded to, you never see them once the motor is between the fender wells & a person can see the chrome glistening every once in a while shooting out from below.
Well done so far Mr. Troy. :2thumbs:
Update:
Just got off the phone with Finelines...... Because I bought complete brake and fuel line kits about a year ago, the fuel line and master cylinder lines are for a 440. So, now I need to get the outboard master cylinder to distribution lines and the 3/8 front to rear fuel line...... Everything else in the kit will work........
I think this weekend I'm going to roll my sleeves up and start the process to remove the 440/727/kmember...
Yesterday, rearranged the garage exchanging parking of my friend's Superbee and my Daytona. Here's where I start today. Front suspension is pretty much out if the way. I will remove the lower control arms and torsion bars, exhaust, then position the dolly under the kmember and tranny. I will get the cherry-picker so I can lift the front of the car high enough to slide the drivetrain out
Your garage is awesome!
This is only angle that any 70 Coronet should be photographed. :icon_smile_big:
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=106196.0;attach=218439;image)
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 26, 2014, 10:35:20 AM
This is only angle that any 70 Coronet should be photographed. :icon_smile_big:
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=106196.0;attach=218439;image)
There was a purpose for that shot............... You caught on........ :2thumbs:
Whew !!!!! What a stressful operation out of one's garage. I was able, after a couple of trails and "well, that's not going to work" and a VERY slow-going mode of operation, to successfully remove the 440/727 drive train.. I was extra anal and slow about it all. I would assess a situation, come up with a solution, complete the task and clean up. I found keeping a clean and orderly workfloor made for a less chaotic event. There were a couple of times I wondered, "What the heck am I doing?" Shoot, one of the steps to remove the steering column, as easy as a task it is normally, turned out to be a big pain in the butt. Dang lock pin was NOT going to come out easily.... But, I prevailed.. One observation will be to get lower profile casters so the dolly won't be so high.... Now, time to replace fuel and brake lines, remove/replace brake booster ( hemi-version ) and etc.... I will separate the 727 soon and have it rebuilt. I am tired !!!! Church, lunch with the family, and 440 removal,, the end of a busy day.....
more of the removal.
Two things that helped; removal of the passenger side exhaust manifold and carbs ( the former so I have more lateral room and the later so I don't have to raise the Daytona even higher......
Yes, the arm of the cherry picker was close to the nose's top surface and core support. But, as I raised, I readjusted the arm/jack as needed...... Worked out fine... I was just overly cautious....... It was as stressful as a bomb-squad rookie snipping his first red wire on a nuclear bomb..... :no:
Lordy !!! I am glad that's over............... I do believe going backwards installing it will be easier........
You'll notice the GearVendor unit on the 727.........
more Mopar eye-candy !!! :icon_smile_big:
Great progress!
Looking good Troy!
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Gettin' there. :2thumbs:
:o been busy !! looking good !! all systems go for HEMI :yesnod: :drool5: :popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on April 28, 2014, 05:03:40 PM
:o been busy !! looking good !! all systems go for HEMI :yesnod: :drool5: :popcrn:
Yeap,
I have to go out and get a mini-starter ( any suggestions? ).
i used one from a 96 dodge 5.9,, had to grind the batt cable stud down to clear the block. #17573 from orielly's
Quote from: cdr on April 29, 2014, 07:24:20 AM
i used one from a 96 dodge 5.9,, had to grind the batt cable stud down to clear the block. #17573 from orielly's
Same here but from Advance Auto
:D
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 28, 2014, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: tan top on April 28, 2014, 05:03:40 PM
:o been busy !! looking good !! all systems go for HEMI :yesnod: :drool5: :popcrn:
Yeap,
I have to go out and get a mini-starter ( any suggestions? ).
sorry Troy no personal experience of fitting a mini starter on mine ,
did think about getting one long time ago when they were hot news in all the mopar mags ,
call me crazy , but prefer the old mopar starter sound :P ,
have read , seen , & spoke to guys who have fitted them , some types of mini starters , need some of these modifications , block grinding , positive battery terminal modifications , although this was a long time ago , & the starters might be different now :shruggy:
having said this , if I was still running headers or decided to put them on again , think I would consider a mini starter ! :scratchchin:
Quote from: tan top on April 30, 2014, 02:52:39 AM
... sorry Troy no personal experience of fitting a mini starter on mine ,
did think about getting one long time ago when they were hot news in all the mopar mags ,
call me crazy , but prefer the mopar starter sound :P ,
have read , seen , & spoke to guys who have fitted them , some types of mini starters , need some of these modifications , block grinding , positive battery terminal modifications , although this was a long time ago , & the starters might be different now :shruggy:
having said this , if I was still running headers or decided to put them on again , think I would consider a mini starter ! :scratchchin:
Oh, there's no option, I have to go with a mini-starter with the TTI headers I'm going with. I was curious if your good-ole late model starter (what we call mini's) would work. If so, I would just go down to my local auto parts store and get one ordered against my '98 Dodge Ram SS/T..... That starter is the original one and has never given my any problems...
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 30, 2014, 07:17:17 AM
Quote from: tan top on April 30, 2014, 02:52:39 AM
... sorry Troy no personal experience of fitting a mini starter on mine ,
did think about getting one long time ago when they were hot news in all the mopar mags ,
call me crazy , but prefer the mopar starter sound :P ,
have read , seen , & spoke to guys who have fitted them , some types of mini starters , need some of these modifications , block grinding , positive battery terminal modifications , although this was a long time ago , & the starters might be different now :shruggy:
having said this , if I was still running headers or decided to put them on again , think I would consider a mini starter ! :scratchchin:
Oh, there's no option, I have to go with a mini-starter with the TTI headers I'm going with. I was curious if your good-ole late model starter (what we call mini's) would work. If so, I would just go down to my local auto parts store and get one ordered against my '98 Dodge Ram SS/T..... That starter is the original one and has never given my any problems...
have a look & read here :yesnod:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=70790.0
Operation 426-Hemi: assessing the engine bay
Today had some time after work to crawl under the nose and assess the engine compartment. It is real solid and that is great. While there, I removed the power brake booster to make room for the new Hemi-specific booster ...assembly. As you can see from the plug, a previous owner installed a/c. Wonder how that worked out. This weekend I hope to have the 727 separated from the 440 and off to the tranny shop. I have a lot of detailing to do, but that's fun. I will start removing all the fuel and brake lines soon for replacement of FineLine line kits.. As one can see, I'll need to swap out the master cylinder firewall backing plate as well ( just dawned on me when I did this ).. The Hemi-Booster assembly requires the manual brake version of this backing plate... Looks like I've found one, thanks to those replying to my wanted-ad.
Keep it going Troy! How much work in the engine compartment are you going to do prior to the engine going in?
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on May 01, 2014, 07:41:37 AM
Keep it going Troy! How much work in the engine compartment are you going to do prior to the engine going in?
- Clean it up
- remove engine and starter harness and replace with new Hemi versions
- tiddy up the harness I made for the MSD with OEM wrapping and connectors
- R/R booster for Hemi-booster
- replace all fuel and brake lines along with both brake fluid combination and Proportioning valves.
- R/R throttle cable for Hemi-version
- since steering column is out, replace both upper and lower bearings and signal switch..
- whatever I missed
I am thinking of replacing the lower control arm shafts with Hotchkis greaseable versions.. Looking for some feedback on that.....
Troy,
Years ago I replaced the upper control arm bushings with greasable bearings and the lower control arm bushings with greasable ones on the GTX racecar. This gave a great increase in front end lift and weight transfer for that purpose. I don't see much gain over a good polyurethane bushing on the street.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on May 02, 2014, 11:32:20 AM
Troy,
Years ago I replaced the upper control arm bushings with greasable bearings and the lower control arm bushings with greasable ones on the GTX racecar. This gave a great increase in front end lift and weight transfer for that purpose. I don't see much gain over a good polyurethane bushing on the street.
MJ
I'll have to investigate some more... so..... are there three different types of bushings? Rubber and poly only?
Another step for Operation: Hemi Transplant...
Since I wasn't able to make it oit to Family Day, I decided to take the 440 and 727 from the k-member and dolly then placed it on the shopping cart dolly the hemi came on.. I separated the 727 from the motor, now I can take it to the tranny shop to have freshened up.
inching along......
I got the manual reinforcement plate from John today and cleaned it up and painted it. ( Thanks John !! )Picture stinks, but you get the right idea..... I replace the harness clip with a new one... So, one step closer in installing the Hemi booster assembly. I am waiting for the clear coat I need to spray the V2 paint I did to touch up some areas under the original booster that leaked some brake fluid over the last 15 years and messed up the paint. As soon as that comes in, I'll install the booster and continue with the brakes...... My 727 should be done Friday, I ordered my new 2400-2800 stall converter today......
To all my 426 Hemi owner friends. Based on some feedback, I felt the need to move the dipstick location from the front corner where there is the potential problem with the battery tray. So I moved it rearward to what I think is a more OEM correct position. I don't think it will get in the way of the power steering gearbox. Whatcha think?
That looks good. Is it the stock tube that's been straightened or a modified big block tube?
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on May 18, 2014, 07:47:51 AM
That looks good. Is it the stock tube that's been straightened or a modified big block tube?
I started with a 440 tube I had laying around. BUT, when I got to the point where the weld was for the 440 tab to go to the motor mount bracket bolt on the 440, it snapped....... Oh well........ So, I went and used the 426 Hemi tube I started off with forming it, placing the header back on, forming it some more, put the header back on... Went back and forth until I got the fit. The tube, with the white heat cover, doesn't touch the tube nor block anywhere, so I am not worried about that. The dipstick goes in pretty smooth considering the abnormal bends. When I put it all together, I'll have a brand new mini-starter tucked away under the headers...... Soooooo, hopefully, it'll be a LONG time before I ever need to remove the headers.......
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 18, 2014, 08:06:20 AM
The dipstick goes in pretty smooth considering the abnormal bends.
As you know, whenever you start bending the Hemi dipstick tube for header clearance, getting the stick to go in smoothly is always an issue. Glad you've got it licked. :2thumbs:
Troy,
I think you will be very happy with that dipstick location. I had issues with the battery tray on the green 'Bird I did. Great progress, keep the updates coming!
:2thumbs:
:popcrn:
Last night I test fit the Hemi Booster and lines. Once I get the short firewall harness clip for the reinforcement plate, I will permanently the booster
More brake work....
Yesterday I installed, for good, the Booster Assembly I got from Wayne Brown at theramman.com. It looks great.. I also finished up one caliper with all new parts from Harmon Classic Brakes. He supplied me with all new pistons, seals and springs. It is so nice putting back brand new parts. I honed out the original calipers, so we'll see. Took apart the other one... Man, it is a wonder they even worked.......
Ewwwww !!! :o
Troy , your really doing a great job.
Man I'm impressed.
Quote from: gymratt30 on May 25, 2014, 12:04:36 PM
Troy , your really doing a great job.
Man I'm impressed.
Maybe Mark will hire me for an internship.. :lol:
good stuff :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Pressing forward with more on the Daytona. Was disappointed that I couldn't mate the tranny due to the flex plate having the large attach holes to the converter instead of the large. So, I will have to get another flex plate. But, I did take the 426 Hemi and put it on the k-member and dolly. Also mocking up the fit of the steering gear box, looks good. Yes, I need to install the 90degree fitting on the gearbox, but will do that when I remove it to but the starter, then headers then gearbox again. Of course, this will be done when I get the tranny mated. I will finish watching the Coca-Cola 600 and a beer or two..
For those who remember my car when it was a feature car in Mopar Muscle, the name on the tranny should ring a bell. Also, taking care of the other caliper. Productive day somewhat.
Scott and Mike, the repositioned oil dipstick looks so much better there.
Looking good. :2thumbs:
I've been watching your progress closely. :scope:
I'm hoping I can put an elephant in my car. :scratchchin:
Last of the brakes for awhile... I'll get new drum hardware later on and rebuild the wheel cylinders since they are the originals I believe. Regardless, I'll freshen them up. I also have a new set of pads. As you, I use the Blue Racing Brake Fluid due to the increased temperatures in the engine compartment of the Nose-cone car. I am hoping with the TTI ceramic coated ( internal and external ) and the exhaust being further down, my engine compartment temperatures will decrease substantially. Those cast iron 440 HP manifolds put out some heat...
The other thing I did was remove the OEM .92 original torsion bars and replaced them with the .96 MP versions. I'll duplicate the brown paint swabs on the torsion bars.
Did some work this weekend thus far. Mated the tranny to the motor. Had an episode of "I hate headers". Of course, the original bends of the tranny lines don't work with headers. So, I massaged them and I believe all is good. I have to get another 90 degree power steering fitting. I got the smaller 66-68 fitting. I do believe the 69 and later are larger. Got the mini-starter as well... Everything seems to he going forward albeit slowly. But, that's OK. So far the TTI headers bend rather well.
4 more
Had a very cool day yesterday and today. Jacob and I went over my friend Dave's house where he helped me clean up my lower control arms and help install the new polygraphite bushings. Jacob helped with blasting them prior to putting them together. I will give them the ole cosmoline finish this weekend. Also got my proper 90degree power steering adapter for the steering gear box, so I finished installing the lines. Looking good. Then Dave handed me this very cool Avon limited production Daytona cologne bottle. Also installed my power steering hoses once I received the proper 90 degree adapter. Thanks for Jaime at MegaParts.....
Some more.. control arms with the new Polygraphite bushings from PST....
Looking good Troy!
Well, yesteday I tackled the front control arms. Installed the new PST upper bushing and cleaned things up. Love that bushing removal/installation tool. Cosmoline application of the lowers and they are ready for reinstall. The lower control arms have the PST polygraphite bushings as well. I will wait till the motor is in so there is less things in the way. I want to make the installation of the drivetrain as simple and unobstructed as possible. Cosmoline is actually darker than what appears in the picture. Looks good if I say so out of the garage with a rattle can from RestoRick.
Love this thread Troy!
More control arm stuff......... factory markings..........
Orange = passenger side
Blue = driver's side..
Disclaimer: I am in no way stipulating that the colors shown are assembly line correct hues of the colors they are...... :nana:
Now, research on the markings on the valve cover...... Jimbo?
Hey A.B.
Does this help? 69 4-speed. http://www.moparaction.com/Article/GTX-CELLENT/GTX-CELLENT.html (http://www.moparaction.com/Article/GTX-CELLENT/GTX-CELLENT.html)
Quote from: maxwellwedge on June 12, 2014, 09:39:14 AM
Hey A.B.
Does this help? 69 4-speed. http://www.moparaction.com/Article/GTX-CELLENT/GTX-CELLENT.html (http://www.moparaction.com/Article/GTX-CELLENT/GTX-CELLENT.html)
Thanks Jimbo...
I had your pictures from the old article. That's where I got my reminder on the colors of the torsion bar adjuster paint daub. On the valve covers, I see your part # has "21" whereas I have seen two other's with three digits "921" and "922" being a 4speed then auto respectively. So, I could go with either "22" or "922" I'm thinking? The markings on the GTX's passenger side is harder to make out and find other examples. Looks like a "D-6"?
AB
Here is a pic of a 69 Hemi Bee with "22" which is probably an auto in 69....can't remember at the moment. :scratchchin:
The other cover of my GTX is actually a 9 - 0 upside down....which denotes a 4-speed on a hemi.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on June 12, 2014, 01:10:00 PM
Here is a pic of a 69 Hemi Bee with "22" which is probably an auto in 69....can't remember at the moment. :scratchchin:
Correct as usual :2thumbs:
Jim - is your 'X a 3.54 or 4.10 car? I have a reason for asking...
Quote from: maxwellwedge on June 12, 2014, 01:10:00 PM
AB
Here is a pic of a 69 Hemi Bee with "22" which is probably an auto in 69....can't remember at the moment. :scratchchin:
The other cover of my GTX is actually a 9 - 0 upside down....which denotes a 4-speed on a hemi.
22 would be an auto based on the examples of 21's and 22's I have seen..... Soooooooooooooo, "22" it is !!!!! Now, what do I do for the other side Mr. Jimbo !!?? :icon_smile_big:
Thanks Jimmy......
This is what I'm going with "22"; my final answer, for better or worse, till death do us part...... It is what it is...... :icon_smile_big:
I'm going back to the clutch 216 fan style initially. Yes, the fan's dusty and it's not a 070 clutch......... I'm losing it..... :o
Quote from: hemigeno on June 12, 2014, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on June 12, 2014, 01:10:00 PM
Here is a pic of a 69 Hemi Bee with "22" which is probably an auto in 69....can't remember at the moment. :scratchchin:
Correct as usual :2thumbs:
Jim - is your 'X a 3.54 or 4.10 car? I have a reason for asking...
Hey Geno - The "X" is a 4:10......and you are probably asking about a P/S cooler.....which it does NOT have..... :yesnod: Never seen them on any truly original 69 Hemi's. My '70 Hemi Challenger has one though....and that is very original as well.......Hmmmmmmm
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 12, 2014, 05:33:54 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on June 12, 2014, 01:10:00 PM
AB
Here is a pic of a 69 Hemi Bee with "22" which is probably an auto in 69....can't remember at the moment. :scratchchin:
The other cover of my GTX is actually a 9 - 0 upside down....which denotes a 4-speed on a hemi.
22 would be an auto based on the examples of 21's and 22's I have seen..... Soooooooooooooo, "22" it is !!!!! Now, what do I do for the other side Mr. Jimbo !!?? :icon_smile_big:
Thanks Jimmy......
Good question. Here is the other v/cover from the "22" marking car. Nothing I can see on the front but has this on the top. It may be a " 5 9" upside down which makes a little sense to me.....if you use the anology of the 4-speed 9 0....although it would make more sense if it was 9 5. Maybe Frank B. can help you with that. :scratchchin:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on June 13, 2014, 11:13:21 AM
Hey Geno - The "X" is a 4:10......and you are probably asking about a P/S cooler.....which it does NOT have..... :yesnod: Never seen them on any truly original 69 Hemi's. My '70 Hemi Challenger has one though....and that is very original as well.......Hmmmmmmm
You got it.... I was indeed wondering about the P/S cooler. Troy and I discussed this a week or so ago, but I couldn't remember exactly what you'd told me before on this subject. Hence the question-before-the-real-question.
Thanks, Jim!!
:cheers:
Well, time for more "stuff". Test fitting the auxiliary transmission fluid cooler lines. These are standard equipment on Hemi-auto cars because of the higher stall speed converter used. I found the perfect place to route the one line, through the strength bend that runs along the latch tray. Not sure why Creative didn't put the line there, it fits with a slight bend forward. Guess it was easier hack the latch tray and route the line instead of forming the tube. I may form the tube some more so it approaches the latch tray at a perpendicular direction.
You will need to remove that stuff later when you swap to a Hemi4speed.
Jim, may I ask what one of your '70 Hemi auto cars' has for markings?
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on June 14, 2014, 04:45:17 PM
Jim, may I ask what one of your '70 Hemi auto cars' has for markings?
I don't recall there being any markings on my 70....but I will look. :2thumbs:
It's still not in?!?!?!?! :shruggy:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on June 16, 2014, 06:08:22 PM
It's still not in?!?!?!?! :shruggy:
NO !!!!! It is a apparent Mark you have way more spare time on your hands than I do. :slap:
I also live by the decree " One can't rush perfection"........ Not that I'm anywhere near there, but I'm giving it the ole' Notre Dame try............. Time to call Frank B.,
New brake system means new fluid. I went with this very high temp racing fluid. Under the hood of this Daytona, it can get warm....good stuff...
To address your observation Mark, I am hoping to put the motor in actually this weekend.......... I am making sure there is absolutely nothing I'm forgetting to do that should be done before the motor goes in....... I don't want any of these.... :brickwall:
capiche? :icon_smile_big:
Troy,
Can you tell me some more about the brake fluid you chose? it looks like it's DOT 4 but maybe with a higher boiling point?
I just switched to Silicone (DOT 5) brake fluid for the same reason
:2thumbs: :2thumbs:
...and DOT 5 want eat your paint. :Twocents:
Has a ~50* higher boiling point than DOT 4, & ~80* more than DOT 3. ...if Wiki is correct.
Quote from: thehemikid on June 17, 2014, 02:34:11 PM
...and DOT 5 want eat your paint. :Twocents:
Has a ~50* higher boiling point than DOT 4, & ~80* more than DOT 3. ...if Wiki is correct.
Guess I might try it. The last time I did this I had DOT 3/4 in my system. Putting 5 in there is a no-no....... Don't mix and the rubber seals break down........
The ATE Dot 4 in the blue can is as good as you need to go. It probably has a higher boiling point than a DOT 3. The ATE fluid is what I was told to get for my Porsche.
Other thing to keep in mind, (probably most important) is to bleed off the old and add some new fluid every few years. But this should be a regular maint item anyway. Suck the fluid out of the master, refill and flush it through the bleeders.
As far as DOT 5, historically, I have heard stories of problem spongy pedals. All the old DOT 3/4 fluid has to come out.
Quote from: Aero426 on June 17, 2014, 04:57:39 PM
The ATE Dot 4 in the blue can is as good as you need to go. It probably has a higher boiling point than a DOT 3. The ATE fluid is what I was told to get for my Porsche.
Other thing to keep in mind, (probably most important) is to bleed off the old and add some new fluid every few years. But this should be a regular maint item anyway. Suck the fluid out of the master, refill and flush it through the bleeders.
As far as DOT 5, historically, I have heard stories of problem spongy pedals. All the old DOT 3/4 fluid has to come out.
Yeap, the Super Blue Dot 4 was deemed illegal after, many many many years, the Fed's discoverying it was dyed blue !!! It is illegal to have blue brake fluid. You can have clear and amber......... so, the can I have has the amber coloring. It is great so you can see when the new stuff is making its way out to the bleeder...
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 17, 2014, 06:35:59 PM
Yeap, the Super Blue Dot 4 was deemed illegal after, many many many years, the Fed's discoverying it was dyed blue !!! It is illegal to have blue brake fluid.
Yes, ridiculous.
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 16, 2014, 10:00:49 PM
To address your observation Mark, I am hoping to put the motor in actually this weekend..........
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Well, today was the day I brought together the 426 Hemi and Daytona. With the help from Tuffy and Jacob, things went pretty smooth. So, finished is a major milestone in Operation Hemi-Transplant.
Lot more to do, but this is one less thing......
some more....
For those always giving me a hard time for those auto parts store batteries I always have, how's this !? Group 27 battery that should last a long time. It had better for what I paid !!!! :icon_smile_big:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Been following this for a while and it's great to see the hemi where it belongs.
A question I have is about the shade of engine paint. Not being critical just curious. In the engine compartment it looks lighter than the body color.
When I rebuilt a hemi charger for a friend years ago (A 67) I used rattle can mopar paint and remember their being two shades available after the fact.
When the car was done I was told about street hemi orange vs race hemi orange.
It's been a long time and am without clue as to original application of different shades :shruggy:
BTW It looks perfect :cheers:
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 20, 2014, 03:04:25 PM
Well, today was the day I brought together the 426 Hemi and Daytona. With the help from Tuffy and Jacob, things went pretty smooth. So, finished is a major milestone in Operation Hemi-Transplant.
Lot more to do, but this is one less thing......
WOW ! :o :faint:
Quote from: ws23rt on June 20, 2014, 05:17:55 PM
:2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Been following this for a while and it's great to see the hemi where it belongs.
A question I have is about the shade of engine paint. Not being critical just curious. In the engine compartment it looks lighter than the body color.
When I rebuilt a hemi charger for a friend years ago (A 67) I used rattle can mopar paint and remember their being two shades available after the fact.
When the car was done I was told about street hemi orange vs race hemi orange.
It's been a long time and am without clue as to original application of different shades :shruggy:
BTW It lo
oks perfect :cheers:
There are two shades of hemi engine colors; street and race hemi orange. I have the street hemi orange, which isn't a match to the V2 hemi orange car color.
:2thumbs: I can still learn new things. ;D
Congrats Troy! :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Too bad the new Hellcat engines don't look that great like these cars do with Hemi's. :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
This one came out great. :2thumbs:
Looks very, very nice & you put it in before the weekend. That means you should be driving it by Sunday. :2thumbs:
:coolgleamA: good stuff :yesnod: nice work AB Troy , looks awesome :dance::drool5: :drool5: :cheers: :popcrn:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on June 21, 2014, 05:06:36 AM
Looks very, very nice & you put it in before the weekend. That means you should be driving it by Sunday. :2thumbs:
:smilielol: I like you Mark, you have drive and well,,,,,, high expectations from people ................ But............... I doubt it........ But, I'll try......... Need to go get a tranny cooler.....
My problem is that I have high expectations of myself & I think that everyone else should have the same. ;)
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on June 21, 2014, 12:08:01 PM
My problem is that I have high expectations of myself & I think that everyone else should have the same. ;)
That's what my wife says about me...... So, there are "others" out there like us....... Ah Oh..... :rofl:
Ah yes, rambunctious (spelled right the 1st time :icon_smile_wink:) & full of piss & vinegar. I used to be that way. Look where it got me. ;)
Frikkin' awesome Troy. Your little project has enticed me to make some changes. You know how you think your car is done (they're never really done) until you watch someone who you think is going overboard with details until all of a sudden you think why didn't I do that? :shruggy: :2thumbs:
Lookin good Troy! :cheers:
Well, did some more today. Put together some of the lower suspension/torsion bars, heater hoses with the proper routing and modified the MSD Blaster coil with one of ECS's coil label transfers. Came out great !!! That was for all the guys who pointed out the white lettered previous coil...
close up of the coil.....
then heater hoses all installed and routed. I'll be using the Chrysler Electronic distributor for awhile as the MSD trigger until I get one of my dual-point Prestolites converted to electronic guts
My, My, My....I remember when you first got this car, and you said you wished for a HEMI 4spd, and I said it's just a machine, you want a HEMI, put in a HEMI and a 5spd..."Oh No!" you replied, "it's staying original", didn't take long, now you just have to locate some pedals, a floor hump, new carpet, and decide on who's 5 spd (forget the 4 spd, although 5 sds are so "yesterday", think 6 spd) now Troy don't resist the manual tranny, it's only a matter of time...before you come over to the dark side
Looks great by the way!, nothing finer than a HEMI underhood, but trust me, you'll see how limited the Auto and GV is behind that elephant, start planning :nana:
Mike
:scope: :dance: :drool5: :drool5:
Quote from: DAY CLONA on June 22, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
My, My, My....I remember when you first got this car, and you said you wished for a HEMI 4spd, and I said it's just a machine, you want a HEMI, put in a HEMI and a 5spd..."Oh No!" you replied, "it's staying original", didn't take long, now you just have to locate some pedals, a floor hump, new carpet, and decide on who's 5 spd (forget the 4 spd, although 5 sds are so "yesterday", think 6 spd) now Troy don't resist the manual tranny, it's only a matter of time...before you come over to the dark side
Looks great by the way!, nothing finer than a HEMI underhood, but trust me, you'll see how limited the Auto and GV is behind that elephant, start planning :nana:
Mike
Thanks Mike..... and yes, I was a total purist "in the beginning"..... But, people change as you know....... In regards to the 4-speed stuff, I already have it all sitting in a box; hump, pedals, fork, even a 4speed......... But, unlike the engine transfer, there's cutting involved and I haven't gotten myself to that point yet. Also, there's the large financial burden of saving up for the 5speed itself... Maybe in time. For now, I'll just enjoy the 426 Hemi and the badges on the door.. :icon_smile_big:
What, no pictures of you driving it around the block? :shruggy:
Looking good Troy!
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
After a nice and wonderful dinner with the family, Kim can cook !!! I decided to pay some attention to the fuel lines, radiator and well, something else. I straightened some if the radiator core fins that were bend and blow it out with some compressed air. Then I installed the rear and front fuel and vent rubber hoses. Finally, I added a nice touch which is more appropriate now..
SWEET!!!!. Looks great Troy, now you just need to close your eyes and do the 4-speed conversion. :icon_smile_big:
Mopar fans... Worked on the Daytona some more today. Finished up the tranny lines, throttle cable, fan/shroud and misc items here and there. Pictures don't reflect drastic progress since it is small stuff now. Next items will be the tranny cooler in the nose area, wrapping up the MSD wiring, front suspension and misc items here and there. It is getting close..
gettin' 'er done...
Looking good! :2thumbs:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on June 29, 2014, 06:03:36 AM
Looking good! :2thumbs:
Thanks Mark........
She's far from a beauty queen having many miles on her since she was restored in '94, she has her blemishes... But all in all, she'll make a great looking show car...Hate the tranny lines, but it is what it is based on having to work around the headers. Once it's all said and done, I won't be seeing those puppies again.
Operation "Hemi Transplant" continues. Found a great spot for the tranny cooler. The mounting holes on the cooler couldn't have lined up any better. Just drilled a center hole and slightly adjusted the outers. The stack plate design of the B&M allows me to mount it off to the side. I hear it is like a heat sink, so as long as there is air flow, it cools. We'll see...there is air space gap between the cooler and z-bar....
Have you thought about spacing the cooler out a couple inches & adding another another electric fan in front?
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on July 04, 2014, 01:59:55 PM
Have you thought about spacing the cooler out a couple inches & adding another another electric fan in front?
I have an electric fan already, just not installed yet. Already wired up.....
Yes, I have been thinking about pushing the cooler out some. I'll get some extenders for those three studs...
4 speed.
Just a thought - why not put it directly in front of the radiator? Any heat transferred will go through the radiator anyway, just more diluted, but the other all temperature will be raised the same. To get the heat created by the trany cooler out, if that is a concern, you may have to mount the cooler where it is not in the air path that leads through the radiator.
Dane
Quote from: Daytona Guy on July 05, 2014, 02:43:08 PM
Just a thought - why not put it directly in front of the radiator? Any heat transferred will go through the radiator anyway, just more diluted, but the other all temperature will be raised the same. To get the heat created by the trany cooler out, if that is a concern, you may have to mount the cooler where it is not in the air path that leads through the radiator.
Dane
I am going to try it this way first. With all the air seals within the nose of a Daytona/Superbird, there's going to be air flowing through/around it regardless. I'm going to try it this way initially.....
Tranny cooler is in. May not be 100% perfect, but think it came out good. We'll see once I get fluid in her and running, hopefully no leaks... Mounted well and added a bumper on the top to prevent vibrations...
Nothin like lifting the hood and seeing those iconic valve covers staring back at you to get the goose bumps goin. Looks beautiful Troy. Picture perfect. :coolgleamA:
man that sure is looking good Troy!
There's a reason a Hemi has the presence it does. :yesnod:
Looking great. :2thumbs:
Not that I need anymore reasons for a manual trans......but no trans cooler to worry about!
Hope it works for you. You did a fine job of fitment - well done. Love lookin at that motor.
Dane
Good work Troy. That hemi looks beautiful stuffed in there too.
How many miles did you put on it this weekend? ;)
nice ! good stuff ABT :drool5: :coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
OK...... Project Hemi.... Got more done this weekend.. Change out the oil with VR1 40, lowered the car and adjusted the torsion bars, finished the ignition wiring, put the NASCAR rims back on and odds and ends. It is getting closer...
More from the weekend... Nice having the car back on the ground.
Nice work Troy, looks like a born with. :cheers:
It looks great, but being a drag racer I have to put my two cents in on the dangers of using rubber lines on tranny coolers especially when it's right in front of a steer tire. Driving on trans fluid is like driving on ice!
Quote from: Hemi Runner on July 08, 2014, 12:22:27 PM
It looks great, but being a drag racer I have to put my two cents in on the dangers of using rubber lines on tranny coolers especially when it's right in front of a steer tire. Driving on trans fluid is like driving on ice!
Fair enough... Steer tire? The driver's front tire is to the rear and outside of the nose z-bar....... I may swap out the cooler eventually for one that has a flare connection and utilize braided steel lines instead of the current rubber. I have to have some flexibility since I can't get the fit deadon with hard tube lines. I will stick with the hard lines I have now but replace the rubber with flare-ended steel braided lines.......
Hemi Runner, are you a truck driver by any chance?
Quote from: Ghoste on July 08, 2014, 12:55:43 PM
Hemi Runner, are you a truck driver by any chance?
Nope.
Well,
She lives !!! Man, I'm beat.............
First thing this morning I discovered no fuel was getting to the carbs, turned out to be a faulty fuel pump (damn expensive new Carter). I took out the fuel pump AND rod from the 440 that had been working perfectly. That did the ticket.........
I positioned the distributor where I thought it should be and low-and-behold, she fired up and ran before the first revolution of the started was completed !!! It was a very happy feeling..... Seems though I might have a small situation. There appeared a small leak of coolant coming out of the passenger side head gasket seam in the rear. After starting the motor a couple of times and running it, it has totally gone away.... I'll inspect it in the morning..... The motor has sat a couple of years since it's initial start-up by the builder....... I may remove the valve cover and retorque the head bolts........ We'll see...... All in all, she rans great..... Now I need to fine tune it and get the best I can out of idle....... The rear carb is a bad to adjust due to the angle of the fuel/air mixture screws and the front carb.....
Here's a video of Jacob cranking it up...... Sorry for the video quality..
The Elephant cranking up via Jacob (http://youtu.be/Aj-iPu30H3o)
Man, That thing sounds good. :2thumbs:
Congrats Troy! Sounds mean...... :2thumbs:
Sounds great!!!! congrats! :cheers:
Sounds really good!
:dance: :dance: :dance: wow !! awesome stuff :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: love the black wheels too :yesnod: just needs a four speed :drive: :P ;) need more video ;) :popcrn:
Troy,
Every time you open that hold your smile has to be wider than those valve covers!
MJ
We saw your post with video on face book.
Happy for ya buddy.
It really sounds good!
The look on the kids face is great . He will never forget that moment I bet . :2thumbs:
Yes, Jacob had a blast.....
He texted Kim ( mom ) afterwards with "OMG !!!!" Kim thought there was something wrong, like the car fell on me or something...... hahaha
It definitely was something Jacob relished in......... I told him, aren't too many 13 year olds who crank up a Hemi Daytona....... :D
Operation Hemi-Transplant:
Added some details to the ole Elephant. Added the CAP emissions valve, the plug wire separator over the front of the passenger valve cover, plug wire bracket mounted on the coil, rotated the coil to a more proper position, removed one of the heater hose straps ( at the rear ) and replaced the spark plug wire grommets on the valve covers with better-colored version, not the bright white ones that were there before. They should be more off-white. I got these details from this photo from a road test article from 1968 on a 1969 Charger 500 equipped with a 426 hemi and 4speed.
On a side note, I think I have the brake issue straightened out, they weren't working last week... grrrrrrrrrrr.
But happy happy happy now....
Some more..
Sorry for the duplicate images from before, but there are subtle difference....
:coolgleamA: nice work Troy , looks awesome :drool5: :2thumbs:
But happy happy happy now....
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Well who wouldn't be. Looks and sounds outstanding. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Very cool Troy!!! Yes there can't be too many kids that can put that on their resume'.
One suggestion with your trans cooler, why not shorten the hard line and go straight into the cooler instead of all that down and up stuff.
Ron :2thumbs:
Quote from: RJS on July 20, 2014, 07:15:17 PM
Very cool Troy!!! Yes there can't be too many kids that can put that on their resume'.
One suggestion with your trans cooler, why not shorten the hard line and go straight into the cooler instead of all that down and up stuff.
Ron :2thumbs:
I want to mimic, as close as possible, the OEM look as it would have been originally. This is the way it was routed. I just tweeked it in not spending buko-bucks on a reproduction hemi tranny cooler. From the outside, that part looks pretty OEM......
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 20, 2014, 07:33:29 PM
Quote from: RJS on July 20, 2014, 07:15:17 PM
Very cool Troy!!! Yes there can't be too many kids that can put that on their resume'.
One suggestion with your trans cooler, why not shorten the hard line and go straight into the cooler instead of all that down and up stuff.
Ron :2thumbs:
I want to mimic, as close as possible, the OEM look as it would have been originally. This is the way it was routed. I just tweeked it in not spending buko-bucks on a reproduction hemi tranny cooler. From the outside, that part looks pretty OEM......
Duh, That shows how much I know about cars with funny noses and big wings!!!!!!
Ron :2thumbs:
Looks great, but I believe that the PB vac hose should be routed differently. :yesnod:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on July 21, 2014, 05:26:44 AM
Looks great, but I believe that the PB vac hose should be routed differently. :yesnod:
well,,,,,,,,,,,,, If you're going to point out a "flaw", show the solution....... :icon_smile_big:
You know me, I'm all about knowing the proper way ( albeit I may at times deviate ).....
PS: There will be other things I do, like get the radio noise suppression capacitor, resonators for the rear and a proper Prestolite distributor converted to electronic so I can still use it for my ignitor trigger. Or, I may just use an Ignitor II in a Prestolite with the light springs......
Addition PS: Mark, I see where Jim B's 69 GTX PB hose is routed UNDER the kickdown lever/bracket... I will make the change..... :2thumbs:
Thanks Jim !!!
AWESOME!!!!!
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Quote from: hemi68charger on July 21, 2014, 07:53:48 AM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on July 21, 2014, 05:26:44 AM
Looks great, but I believe that the PB vac hose should be routed differently. :yesnod:
well,,,,,,,,,,,,, If you're going to point out a "flaw", show the solution....... :icon_smile_big:
You know me, I'm all about knowing the proper way ( albeit I may at times deviate ).....
PS: There will be other things I do, like get the radio noise suppression capacitor, resonators for the rear and a proper Prestolite distributor converted to electronic so I can still use it for my ignitor trigger. Or, I may just use an Ignitor II in a Prestolite with the light springs......
Addition PS: Mark, I see where Jim B's 69 GTX PB hose is routed UNDER the kickdown lever/bracket... I will make the change..... :2thumbs:
Thanks Jim !!!
NP - Getting thanks for doing nothing appeals to my lazy nature! Lol!
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 21, 2014, 07:53:48 AM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on July 21, 2014, 05:26:44 AM
Looks great, but I believe that the PB vac hose should be routed differently. :yesnod:
well,,,,,,,,,,,,, If you're going to point out a "flaw", show the solution....... :icon_smile_big:
You know me, I'm all about knowing the proper way ( albeit I may at times deviate ).....
PS: There will be other things I do, like get the radio noise suppression capacitor, resonators for the rear and a proper Prestolite distributor converted to electronic so I can still use it for my ignitor trigger. Or, I may just use an Ignitor II in a Prestolite with the light springs......
Addition PS: Mark, I see where Jim B's 69 GTX PB hose is routed UNDER the kickdown lever/bracket... I will make the change..... :2thumbs:
Thanks Jim !!!
Make sure that you get the clamp & nut from Six Pack Frank. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on July 21, 2014, 01:38:12 PM
Make sure that you get the clamp & nut from Six Pack Frank. :2thumbs:
Mark, whatcha talkin' 'bout? There's a clamp and nut that hold the booster vacuum hose secure?
OK, after some research via MMCDetroit, you mean this? If so, then I'm taking it I only get one clamp since my car isn't a fresh-air car, I would only have the booster hose, not the 2nd forward hose which is most likely the PVC hose on fresh-air cars ( since the PVC was on the driver's side ).
Now you're cookin'!
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on July 21, 2014, 04:15:56 PM
Now you're cookin'!
I search via out trusty Roger Gibson, but I didn't see it. Guess I'll email Frank direct........
Thanks for the enlightenment !!!
....... it's the little things I like.... Except certain feminine parts of course... :icon_smile_big:
Something that dawned on me, I need the clip that holds the distributor vacuum line to the fuel line just like the 6bbl cars...... :yesnod:
Luckily, I have a couple of those.......
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 21, 2014, 07:28:01 PM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on July 21, 2014, 04:15:56 PM
Now you're cookin'!
I search via out trusty Roger Gibson, but I didn't see it. Guess I'll email Frank direct........
Thanks for the enlightenment !!!
....... it's the little things I like.... Except certain feminine parts of course... :icon_smile_big:
Yes AB, you are correct in stating that the breather and PCV are reversed if it's a fresh air or non fresh air Hemi. That's why the routing shown on my X wont work for you. I don't have a non fresh air 69 Hemi to look at.....I would still ask Frank what is correct for you.....not the other reference you quoted....their Hemi has plenty of incorrect things in the pics.
Also.....not to be picky.... :lol: those aluminum straps around the heater hoses.....save those for the next slant 6 car you do..... :2thumbs:
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Quote from: maxwellwedge on July 22, 2014, 07:30:20 AM
Yes AB, you are correct in stating that the breather and PCV are reversed if it's a fresh air or non fresh air Hemi. That's why the routing shown on my X wont work for you. I don't have a non fresh air 69 Hemi to look at.....I would still ask Frank what is correct for you.....not the other reference you quoted....their Hemi has plenty of incorrect things in the pics.
Also.....not to be picky.... :lol: those aluminum straps around the heater hoses.....save those for the next slant 6 car you do..... :2thumbs:
I got a hold of Frank and he's going to get back to me based on my application. He mentioned that the one photo on Detroit MCM Consulting was incorrect with two clamps under the throttle bracket. I suspect he'll get back to me later on.
On the aluminum strap, I was going by the picture I found of a Hemi Charger 500 back when it was new and had one........ :scope:
I thought I had seen the aluminum straps on things other than slant six too. :shruggy:
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 22, 2014, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on July 22, 2014, 07:30:20 AM
Yes AB, you are correct in stating that the breather and PCV are reversed if it's a fresh air or non fresh air Hemi. That's why the routing shown on my X wont work for you. I don't have a non fresh air 69 Hemi to look at.....I would still ask Frank what is correct for you.....not the other reference you quoted....their Hemi has plenty of incorrect things in the pics.
Also.....not to be picky.... :lol: those aluminum straps around the heater hoses.....save those for the next slant 6 car you do..... :2thumbs:
I got a hold of Frank and he's going to get back to me based on my application. He mentioned that the one photo on Detroit MCM Consulting was incorrect with two clamps under the throttle bracket. I suspect he'll get back to me later on.
On the aluminum strap, I was going by the picture I found of a Hemi Charger 500 back when it was new and had one........ :scope:
Hey AB - That's cool.....just never seen them on any original, production cars. Always thought it as a Year One thing. Glad you called Frank. :2thumbs:
A Year One thing, haha, I like that. They sure do add a new slant to "over-restored" when you follow their catalog. :yesnod:
Quote from: Ghoste on July 22, 2014, 01:33:22 PM
I thought I had seen the aluminum straps on things other than slant six too. :shruggy:
Seen them on V8's with A/C. Also, the 69 340's used one to attach the hose to the valve cover. http://www.moparaction.com/Article/JUNE/JUNE.html (http://www.moparaction.com/Article/JUNE/JUNE.html)
Quote from: Ghoste on July 23, 2014, 08:01:32 AM
A Year One thing, haha, I like that. They sure do add a new slant to "over-restored" when you follow their catalog. :yesnod:
You immediately grasped my meaning! :lol:
Thats likely what I'm thinking then. I thought there was one on a 68 road runner I had a long time ago but if it was an A/C thing then maybe a Coronet 500 from the dim past. Maybe neither, it was like 30 some years ago. :lol:
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 21, 2014, 02:16:35 PM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on July 21, 2014, 01:38:12 PM
Make sure that you get the clamp & nut from Six Pack Frank. :2thumbs:
Mark, whatcha talkin' 'bout? There's a clamp and nut that hold the booster vacuum hose secure?
OK, after some research via MMCDetroit, you mean this? If so, then I'm taking it I only get one clamp since my car isn't a fresh-air car, I would only have the booster hose, not the 2nd forward hose which is most likely the PVC hose on fresh-air cars ( since the PVC was on the driver's side ).
Here's a picture straight out of the service manual......
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on July 23, 2014, 06:12:35 PM
Here's a picture straight out of the service manual......
Some things are so obvious........ FSM = First Principles
2 steps forward, 1 step back....... Changed out the springs in the distributor yesterday ( not a hard task at all )........ Now I get no freakin' spark.......... :brickwall: Life with old cars........ I'm guess either I have a ground problem or the pick-up messed up. The only thing different about the distributor over yesterday when I started the car and ran it for a wee bit is the freakin' light springs.. Maybe the distributor body isn't getting a good ground. I'll troubleshoot some more when I get home from work......
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 25, 2014, 06:36:37 AM
Life with old cars........
And to think, in the early-mid 80's, I would drive my old Hemi Charger to meets as far away as Pittsburg & to the Mopar Nats (twice) at the Proving Grounds in Michigan. Not any more.
I likely have pics of it from those proving grounds years.
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on July 25, 2014, 08:09:50 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 25, 2014, 06:36:37 AM
Life with old cars........
And to think, in the early-mid 80's, I would drive my old Hemi Charger to meets as far away as Pittsburg & to the Mopar Nats (twice) at the Proving Grounds in Michigan. Not any more.
Yeap... Exactly........... my 69 Road Runner, '70 v-code Charger R/T and '71 survivor Charger R/T all shared duties as my daily drivers...... I would jump in the '70 and drive 900 miles with 4.10's and not think twice about it............ Amazing what time ( ie, getting older and traveling with a family ) can do to one's perspective on things like "shows"...........
No peer pressure here..... Long trips = air conditioned truck and trailer.................... There were a couple of times that guys who gave me a hard time about trailering ended up having to use the very trailer my car was on coming home from a show...... Funny how those things work out. :icon_smile_big:
I drove these cars all the time in the 70s & 80s. They were then as they are today but then they were rather new and current. Worrying that they may strand us was not something that sticks in my mind as a big concern. And back then if their was trouble on the road we had no cell phones to help.
I had a AAA card and never had to use it with my mopars. (other car brands made my investment in the card worthwhile).
Some of us older folks may remember the days when hitchhiking was common and other drivers would stop to ask if they could help or give a lift to the nearest ---phone booth---
I never felt handicapped or stressed driving my mopars. :2thumbs:
I do not know what you guys worry about. I am going to be loading up my 500 here in about 8 hours for a 4 hour drive tomorrow. Headed off to Michigan for the weekend, with just me and Dakota and a small tool box in case something goes wrong. In the last 10 years I have put 12,000 miles on my 500. Only had it break down on me once, and that was a broken bolt on the caliper that had me stranded for a few hours. I intend on jumping in the car and cruising down to Talladega again this fall as well. I say drive them. What fun is it when its on the trailer. :nana:
I'd still take a four hour drive which is only a couple hundred miles, but I wouldn't take another 12+ hour drive in one. If you recall, back in the late 70s-mid 80s, the cars from that era were crap which made muscle cars still desirable to drive (at least to us gearheads). I'm really not so much worrying about a break down; it's just more of a comfort factor. Hot sweaty vinyl seats, 90 degree wind blasting at you through open windows on the highway & lousy AM radios have given way to today's comfy seats, air conditioning, and satellite radio.
Although I really love my 68 Hemi Charger, I'm finding that the '69 383 Charger is a much more pleasurable car to drive this summer, because it's smoother, quieter and has a/c.
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on July 26, 2014, 05:16:23 AM
...
Although I really love my 68 Hemi Charger, I'm finding that the '69 383 Charger is a much more pleasurable car to drive this summer, because it's smoother, quieter and has a/c.
Here here........ For me, it was the fact I didn't want to be stranded with a brand new baby 8 years ago and now it has gotten a wee bit more comfortable.... 4 hour drives are cool, beyond that, I start to think about the trailer.... Danny, you're a young whipper-snapper punk....... :icon_smile_big:
All very understandable. I think however, I'm going to take inspiration from gymratt30 and drive the Six Pack out to the left coast next summer. :scratchchin:
I like being the young punk. Was wrong on time though. Been driving for 2 1/2 hours, still have 3 hours to go according to Gps. Oh well
Depends on your speed traffic when you get closer to Ann Arbor but you must be near Fort Wayne by now, no? Because it shouldn't be too much more than a couple of hours from there. Plymouth is on your side of metro Motown as you are coming in.
drive 'em like you stole 'em
OK, back to Elephant......... Got her started....... It was a bad coil......... Swapped out the Flame Thrower Pertronix I had from the C500 to troubleshoot and voila, it started......
:2thumbs:
Just don't leave the flamethrower on there. It's not on the ok list for msd.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on July 26, 2014, 03:58:10 PM
Just don't leave the flamethrower on there. It's not on the ok list for msd.
Roger.....
I put the Blaster on the C500 and it started up without a hitch...... So, now I'm scratching my head on what the problem was... I put the MSD Blaster back on the 426 and she fired right up........ Lordy !!!
So, I took that as a cue. I reinstalled the electronic I had with the light springs back in the motor. Had Jacob fire it up and set the total degree advance to 32 for starters.. Man, that motor with the open headers sounds like a BEAST !!!! Something about a 2nd Generation HEMI that makes the sound so much louder and meaner than any other motor, guess its the efficiency of those heads..... :2thumbs:
I should be getting the QTP electric dumps soon and off to the exhaust shop. I am hoping Friday I can do that........
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 26, 2014, 06:38:10 PM
Roger.....
:icon_smile_big:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVq4_HhBK8Y
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on July 26, 2014, 07:33:23 PM
:icon_smile_big:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVq4_HhBK8Y
Love it Mark......... :2thumbs:
Well, she is getting quite close to completion.. I need to tidy up a few things. Due to a change in weekend plans, I decided to haul the Daytona down to my favorite exhaust shop to have the QTP dumps welded in and exhaust buttoned up. Came out pretty nice. The car sounds SO different without open headers......... I almost didn't hear it, relatively speaking of course to what I heard before with open headers.
1. heading out to the shop ( too far to drive with open headers and what would be its maiden voyage )
2. Just pulled her off the trailer
3. Waiting in line..... Needless to say, she attracted some attention
4. Her turn, heading up on the rack
Wrapping things up. ALl they did here was weld in the dump's Y-pipe, I'll do the wiring at home.
1. Tech welding things up
2. Tech welding things up
3. Nice profile, don't lay too far down.....
4. back home...
Well, got ready to take her out to her first maiden voyage ( up to the Shell gas station about a .5 mile up the road ). I dialed in the carbs after the exhaust was on ( much easier when she isn't so loud, I know my neighbors appreciate it ).. I was able to get 13 inches of vacuum and may get more if I tweek on it some more. Idles pretty nice in and out of gear and throttle response seems nice. I put the curve kit in ( two light springs and have set the total advance to 32 degrees ). These are tame videos... Later I'll push the envelope a little more
Video of me pulling out of the driveway heading to the gas station
Facebook Video Link one (https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?v=10202636949026541&set=vb.1282135801&type=2&theater)
Video of me cruising to the gas station
Facebook Video Link two (https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?v=10202637007067992&set=vb.1282135801&type=2&theater)
Feeling a little daring..
that was just a little jab of the accelerator...... Lordy...... :2thumbs:
Facebook Video Link three (https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?v=10202637123070892&set=vb.1282135801&type=2&theater)
Lastly, the QTP electric dumps on the Daytona. I have one side hooked up... So, the "open header" sound should be x 2.... But, you get the gist...
Facebook Video Link three (https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?v=10202637465159444&set=vb.1282135801&type=2&theater)
Awesome Troy! :drool5: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Ghoste on August 04, 2014, 08:25:34 AM
Awesome Troy! :drool5: :2thumbs:
what Ghoste says :yesnod: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :dance: :dance: :faint: :dance: :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 04, 2014, 06:57:56 AM
Well, got ready to take her out to her first maiden voyage ( up to the Shell gas station about a .5 mile up the road ). I dialed in the carbs after the exhaust was on ( much easier when she isn't so loud, I know my neighbors appreciate it ).. I was able to get 13 inches of vacuum and may get more if I tweek on it some more. Idles pretty nice in and out of gear and throttle response seems nice. I put the curve kit in ( two light springs and have set the total advance to 32 degrees ). These are tame videos... Later I'll push the envelope a little more
Just when I thought that I had control of this thread, you come back with a vengence. :icon_smile_dissapprove:
Be sure to use a decent chase car to video that thing on the open road turning some rpm's. :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: