Anyone catch the the new episode of GYC last week??
Mark and his lead painter admitted that they had some sub-par employees do some shitty work. They highlighted a blue R/R. Said they had to tear the car completely apart and start over again.
I was dozing off and on thru the show (as usual). But I thought I heard Mark say that he was putting his daughter in charge of the shop and quality control :smilielol: :smilielol: This is the same daughter that just last year he was showing her how to install parking lights and side maker lights.
I feel asleep before the end of the show so I don't know if at the end of the show Mark yelled "April Fools" or not. Anyone else see this and verify that I wasn't dreaming? If true if I had a car in line there for any work I'd be yanking it ASAP.
Quote from: NHCharger on December 16, 2019, 07:52:18 PM
Mark and his lead painter admitted that they had some sub-par employees do some shitty work. They highlighted a blue R/R. Said they had to tear the car completely apart and start over again.
That statement right there, shows that no one is watching nor instilling any quality control, besides the show is just smoke and mirrors anyway, just check out some of the finished work when it shows up at SEMA or other events, the lack of skill and quality, as well as amateur/rookie mistakes abound on their finish work...
Mike
I'm not ready to bury the guy BUT when he had the hippie idiot from Magnum Farce suspension there to aid in installing his shitty front end parts, Mark's standing in my opinion fell several notches. Unless you are in a band, there is no sensible reason for a man in his 50s to look like that guy.
That show is all about "Buzzard Beak". (Mark) ..Worthless stupid talk. If they aired one car at a time, from start to finish I would watch it more.
Wow, I was tired of Mark and his show YEARS ago. I'm surprised GYC, let alone the show, are still around.
I use to like Bodies by Boyed. Yes I know it wasn't a Mopar show. They showed you how to do things yourself. Then it turned into a soap opera. I also liked watching Stacey David. Showed you how to do stuff also. I guess people like soap operas and not things you can learn from.
Is Dane's son still working with the show ?
I was surprised that Mark hinted the business couldn't survive without the show.
Quote from: John_Kunkel on December 20, 2019, 01:01:52 PM
I was surprised that Mark hinted the business couldn't survive without the show.
Interesting, yet others claim he's paying for the show out of his pocket.. so which is it! LOL
Quote from: birdsandbees on December 20, 2019, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: John_Kunkel on December 20, 2019, 01:01:52 PM
I was surprised that Mark hinted the business couldn't survive without the show.
Interesting, yet others claim he's paying for the show out of his pocket.. so which is it! LOL
Hmm, I must have been snoozing when he said that.
There was another show on MT called Fantom Works which I liked. The owner chose to cancel the show stating it was too intrusive and cost him time and money. claims he is almost a million dollars in debt when he ended the show. That doesn't ring right to me. At anytime they had 50 to 90 cars in the shop.
Fantom Works was a great show. 1-2 cars at a time (beginning to end) and no B.S. clowning around and no worm-man dancing around and solving anything.
Dan from Fantom Works is a drama queen.
Here's a poll Graveyard Carz created.
Quote from: Mopar Nut on December 21, 2019, 03:14:16 AM
Dan from Fantom Works is a drama queen.
You're not kidding. Every car that comes in has "hidden" surprises, but to him, they are catastrophes, which makes him angry, and then it's time for a commercial break. Such false drama.
I agree, he pretends to be upset at making more money. :scratchchin:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on December 21, 2019, 05:10:27 AM
Quote from: Mopar Nut on December 21, 2019, 03:14:16 AM
Dan from Fantom Works is a drama queen.
You're not kidding. Every car that comes in has "hidden" surprises, but to him, they are catastrophes, which makes him angry, and then it's time for a commercial break. Such false drama.
I've worked some side jobs with a guy that refers to every job as a "Nightmare".
Really? EVERY job is a nightmare? Not one of them was an easy or a fun job ?
Scripted drama pays the bills. There will never be a series of successful car restoration documentaries.
I don't know, Wheeler Dealers takes their work serious, no drama on that show.
Iron Resurrection, didn't contain much comedy or drama. I don't know if it will be back. though.
Quote from: jakeallcars on December 21, 2019, 09:03:55 PM
Iron Resurrection, didn't contain much comedy or drama. I don't know if it will be back. though.
Joe Martin is a awesome metal fabricator.
I'm ready for some new content. How about some comparison tests between makes both old and new? What new parts actually make a difference in performance, or are fodder. Are the new 392's better than the old 440? There's plenty to discuss
The best car show on television is full custom garage. The guy us an amazing metal fabricator! He inspired me to repair the roof on my 70 Charger R/T.
Quote from: Mopar Nut on December 21, 2019, 03:50:42 PM
I don't know, Wheeler Dealers takes their work serious, no drama on that show.
One of the best car shows on tv in my opinion. GYC was fairly decent the last 2 years only. Now this season, they went back to the bullshit bickering, but now with the show producer and crap. I am going to unfollow the show once I see how the "Christine" car turns out. And I LOVED Fantomworks.
Quote from: chargervert on December 22, 2019, 08:15:05 AM
The best car show on television is full custom garage. The guy us an amazing metal fabricator! He inspired me to repair the roof on my 70 Charger R/T.
If you wanna watch a show that's just about the cars, fabrication and repair with ZERO drama...this it it!
Quote from: RallyeMike on December 21, 2019, 02:48:54 PM
Scripted drama pays the bills. There will never be a series of successful car restoration documentaries.
And what's funny is all these guys talking smack usually fit in one or both categories:
1) they have never done any restoration or fabrication work in their life.
2) They aren't good enough at a sales pitch to get a TV show. :icon_smile_big:
Seriously, after reading Richard Rawlings biography, I came to realy respect the man and appreciate how many of these shows get on the air. They man has been desolate broke five times over in his life. By his own admission, because he was a lecherous shithead. Through all that, and his love of cars and being a damn good salesman, he sold a network on Gas Monkey. My guess is that Worman is't much different. He sold the network on just what you said, [art drama, part comedy, mixed with is obvious love for cars and a pretty solid knowledge of all things Mopar. Love him or hate him, he has a show and we don't
After I finished my Daytona Clone and it got a bit of exposure I ended up talking to the guy who invented that body over build at West Coast Customs.Sean Mahaney. He was the heavy set guy who did all the metal work to put the two cars together. He gave me a little insight into the behind the scenes goings on and the main take away which I suspected was true was that all of the show projects are rushed pieces of crap. He said the producers ask for the moon and the shop owner took it out on the employees to deliver on unreal schedule to satisfy filming requirements. After working sometimes 80 hours a week (40 of which were unpaid) on some super crap builds Sean quit and started his own business building custom performance wheel chairs. Sadly while he had a good business going he was killed in a motorcycle accident on his way to a charity event. Hit and run. I was really grateful to have been able to talk and get to know him. Very nice guy. Very talented. Not the baffoon they caricatured him as in the show.
just wanted to let you all know, GYC will be going back to how it used to be the previous couple of seasons ABOUT THE CARS.
they had received input from Motor Trend wanting the show to be more about people + stories then cars. we all know how that went.
so it'll take a couple of episodes before you see the changes, but the episodes will be about the cars, like they should.
so be patient and if you enjoyed the show last season then you'll enjoy this season after the next couple of episodes.
if you never liked it, then you still won't then.
I've heard it said that they should follow the "This Old House" formula featuring all info & no shenanigans or fake BS drama. It's the longest running series of its kind having been on the air almost 41 years, so they must be doing something right.
Quote from: chargervert on December 22, 2019, 08:15:05 AM
The best car show on television is full custom garage. The guy us an amazing metal fabricator! He inspired me to repair the roof on my 70 Charger R/T.
agreed and Ian can build anything out of almost nothing
Hope you're right Tony. I started watching the last episode and all it was about was Mark's daughter interrogating the workers because someone didn't sign out a box of brake cleaner.
You can't blame all this on Motor Trend. When I first got Velocity last year and started watching it seemed like 20% of the show was dedicated to Mark dancing around the shop and generally wasting time. There are several other shows on MT TV mentioned above that didn't suddenly change course and become a fucking joke like this one has.
Quote from: NHCharger on December 23, 2019, 06:55:42 PM
Hope you're right Tony. I started watching the last episode and all it was about was Mark's daughter interrogating the workers because someone didn't sign out a box of brake cleaner.
You can't blame all this on Motor Trend. When I first got Velocity last year and started watching it seemed like 20% of the show was dedicated to Mark dancing around the shop and generally wasting time. There are several other shows on MT TV mentioned above that didn't suddenly change course and become a fucking joke like this one has.
But we cant assume that MT asked their other shows to change course either.
Maybe they figured Mark already liked to joke around and figured it would easiest for him to take it further,
But the bottom line is GYC realized that this wasnt the way to go and will be changing back, but like i said it will take a couple of episodes to see the change because its not like the episodes are filmed live, theyre "in the can" a few weeks ahead of when they hit the air.
I've watched a handful of episodes since it's been one. Based on that sampling, the cars were good eye candy and I liked Mark explaining things like why there needs to be overspray on the manifold bolts of a 1969 A12 car. On the other hand, the constant "trying to be funny" and insulting his employees scenes turned me completely off.
I liked Fantomworks, though there was a quite a bit of "this car is much worse than we thought and it's gonna need a lot more work than expected" schtick. Anyway, the Fantomworks guy ("DRS") was sued for fraud, breach of contract, and other causes of action a few years ago by a customer because he paid $6K for an accident damaged 2001 Crown Vic donor car, then billed the customer $7500 (including a 25% "parts markup"). The car had been advertised for $2K on craigslist. He beat the lawsuit and it was upheld in appeal bc the seller testified that he in fact sold the car to DRS for $6K* and because the customers had previously agreed to the parts markup, but c'mon...really, an experienced and knowledgeable car builder paid $6k for a wrecked 01 Crown Vic?
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/va-supreme-court/1682313.html
*there were allegations by the plaintiffs that DRS only paid $2k for the car, and the seller was in cahoots with him on stating it sold for $6K.
I started watching this show because of it's Mopar content.
From the beginning I have always recorded it to fast forward through all the commercials.
Early on I also fast forwarded through Mark's goofy stuff!
The other problem that I have had is the way they use the term OE restorations when using large amounts of reproduction parts.
Recently I watched the first 3 episodes of this season and couldn't believe how BAD it was!
If it doesn't change it will be gone!
MJ
Quote from: DAY CLONA on December 16, 2019, 10:39:39 PM
Quote from: NHCharger on December 16, 2019, 07:52:18 PM
Mark and his lead painter admitted that they had some sub-par employees do some shitty work. They highlighted a blue R/R. Said they had to tear the car completely apart and start over again.
That statement right there, shows that no one is watching nor instilling any quality control, besides the show is just smoke and mirrors anyway, just check out some of the finished work when it shows up at SEMA or other events, the lack of skill and quality, as well as amateur/rookie mistakes abound on their finish work...
Mike
i've seen the bronze 68 charger they did in person and while i wouldn't exactly kick it out of the garage I would be beyond pissed if I paid a shop for the work they put out. Paint was sub par, numerous date correct parts replaced with stuff from the auto parts store, lose fasteners ect ect..... Car is now elsewhere being sorted out by someone who knows what they are doing
Haven't been able to catch new episodes, but the fact we have a show with ALL MOPARS and a guy that for all intents and purposes looks to really be "Mopar or No Car" means something to me.
Networks are just like individuals on YouTube...drama, even by way of misleading titles and clickbait thumbnails sells ads and gets more views. Bad publicity? That just gets more people tuning in to see what everyone is complaining about. A guy doing a straight forward rebuild that walks you thru every step is going to dwindle in comparison to some hack who can title videos with all caps and photoshop thumbnails. A regular, old guy with a wealth of experience, knowledge, and the ability to convey the information can't stack up with a younger kid that can game the system. Take that 20 something who simply fans cash for other people to do the work and replace him with a chick and you have a real cash cow. Sadly, that is just how it works. YouTube's algorithm isn't going to reward the 60 year old free styling a fully hand built car; it will, however, force feed generic, repeat junk content into your feed. Network TV and subscription services behind paywalls follow the same logic. What show gets the highest ratings? Take their formula and apply it to your other shows. It isn't an ideal application of logic, but that is how it goes.
The fact that GYC is flexible is a good thing to me. For as many people that want a straight up lecture on gold standard restos, there is an equal (and likely larger crowd) that wants to see the antics most here are complaining about. I'd say watch the show and if you enjoy it, let them know why. If you watch and hate it, leave the constructive criticism. I'd rather have GYC on than a similar show schilling mustangs, camaros, or corvettes. If people complain to get more tech and resto bits, it needs to reciprocate with the ratings or the show will try something new or be forever lost.
For what it is worth, if any of you are on Twitter Mark actively responds to both good and bad takes on the show. If we all gang up on him maybe we can get more Charger content, :lol:
Again, I'll take GYC in any configuration over some brand-x show....Just my :Twocents:
Well put. My take was the network asked for more ham it up interpersonal hoopidy doo. Funny how you see the improvements to guys/company's grow after the show run longer. Great marketing tool and free advertising/promoting.
Reality TV is a joke no matter what the subject is. In my daily life I avoid drama entirely, so why the hell would anyone purposely tune in to see it? :lol:
Quote from: RallyeMike on December 21, 2019, 02:48:54 PM
Scripted drama pays the bills. There will never be a series of successful car restoration documentaries.
Absolutely right! Just look at Roadkill!
and the funny part... none of the ones downing this show own a shop nor a show. Mark laughs all the way to the bank! He's a salesman! No different than Richard Rawlings.
I don't know about others but Direct TV has so many commercials by the time the show is back on I really don't want a session on Goober plays a trick on Spanky for yuks. I just grab the remote and scram.
Quote from: Old Moparz on December 29, 2019, 11:52:51 AM
Reality TV is a joke no matter what the subject is. In my daily life I avoid drama entirely, so why the hell would anyone purposely tune in to see it? :lol:
Amen brutha!!
Quote from: Vegas_Nick on February 05, 2020, 09:03:32 AM
Quote from: RallyeMike on December 21, 2019, 02:48:54 PM
Scripted drama pays the bills. There will never be a series of successful car restoration documentaries.
Absolutely right! Just look at Roadkill!
and the funny part... none of the ones downing this show own a shop nor a show. Mark laughs all the way to the bank! He's a salesman! No different than Richard Rawlings.
I can promise you, nothing on Roadkill is scripted. I wish it was, it would make things much easier.
Quote from: b5blue on February 05, 2020, 09:17:04 AM
I don't know about others but Direct TV has so many commercials by the time the show is back on I really don't want a session on Goober plays a trick on Spanky for yuks. I just grab the remote and scram.
the commercial load is why I quit watching, cant imagine they will change enough for me to come back. I glance by it ever once in a while but I don't stay long on it
Ive never watched a full episode. And doubtful I ever will.
The clown act just seemed weird .
Quote from: Chargen69 on February 07, 2020, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: b5blue on February 05, 2020, 09:17:04 AM
I don't know about others but Direct TV has so many commercials by the time the show is back on I really don't want a session on Goober plays a trick on Spanky for yuks. I just grab the remote and scram.
the commercial load is why I quit watching, cant imagine they will change enough for me to come back. I glance by it ever once in a while but I don't stay long on it
I have the motor trend app and you can skip the crap and there's no commercials
Luke
I haven't been following the show, but while flipping through the stations, just caught an episode yesterday & my takes were; Mark is dying his hair & he looks ten years older than he really is.
Quote from: Chargen69 on February 07, 2020, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: b5blue on February 05, 2020, 09:17:04 AM
I don't know about others but Direct TV has so many commercials by the time the show is back on I really don't want a session on Goober plays a trick on Spanky for yuks. I just grab the remote and scram.
the commercial load is why I quit watching, cant imagine they will change enough for me to come back. I glance by it ever once in a while but I don't stay long on it
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Ever heard of the record button :shruggy: :shruggy:
Quote from: ACUDANUT on February 09, 2020, 12:33:00 PM
Quote from: Chargen69 on February 07, 2020, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: b5blue on February 05, 2020, 09:17:04 AM
I don't know about others but Direct TV has so many commercials by the time the show is back on I really don't want a session on Goober plays a trick on Spanky for yuks. I just grab the remote and scram.
the commercial load is why I quit watching, cant imagine they will change enough for me to come back. I glance by it ever once in a while but I don't stay long on it
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Ever heard of the record button :shruggy: :shruggy:
All I hear here is that the show isn't worth watching, so why bother recording?
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on February 09, 2020, 02:03:39 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on February 09, 2020, 12:33:00 PM
Quote from: Chargen69 on February 07, 2020, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: b5blue on February 05, 2020, 09:17:04 AM
I don't know about others but Direct TV has so many commercials by the time the show is back on I really don't want a session on Goober plays a trick on Spanky for yuks. I just grab the remote and scram.
the commercial load is why I quit watching, cant imagine they will change enough for me to come back. I glance by it ever once in a while but I don't stay long on it
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Ever heard of the record button :shruggy: :shruggy:
All I hear here is that the show isn't worth watching, so why bother recording?
I only ever DVR'ed it, but when you get tired of fast forwarding through commercials I guess that means it wasn't worth it
:slap:
I have antenna and dish. (Same as "cable") Commercial breaks are less over the air. Much of the excess commercials are cable self promoting other shows at an insane rate. Not G.C.'s fault on rate/length of breaks just it lowers WTF threshold.
I like Mark and crew much more than the guys who bag/slam/big wheel everything.
Quote from: b5blue on February 10, 2020, 09:12:10 AM
I have antenna and dish.
Uncle Martin had you beat with two antennas, and while he may not have had a dish, he did have a saucer.
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I watch the show but have never saved an episode for future reference.
All he does these days when he is not clowning around, is sit in a chair and brag about how he thinks he is the guru of all things Mopar! Putting his daughter in charge of quality control plueeeeze! Making the film crew actual characters on the show,shows the true lack of actual content! It reached the point of being completely unwatchable!
I reached that point many moons ago. Mark is a buzzard nosed clown who can't afford a nose job.. All talk, with very little action.
Hello, I'm D.L. Watson, director, and producer of Graveyard Carz. I read through this forum and felt some of the misconceptions could be clarified.
Whether you believe these answers are entirely up to you. Whether you like the show or not is also your opinion, and I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. We've had criticism of the show since 2012, when it first started, and we've consistently pulled in great ratings on the network.
To address some points:
Quote from: NHCharger on December 16, 2019, 07:52:18 PM
Anyone catch the the new episode of GYC last week??
Mark and his lead painter admitted that they had some sub-par employees do some shitty work. They highlighted a blue R/R. Said they had to tear the car completely apart and start over again.
I was dozing off and on thru the show (as usual). But I thought I heard Mark say that he was putting his daughter in charge of the shop and quality control :smilielol: :smilielol: This is the same daughter that just last year he was showing her how to install parking lights and side maker lights.
I feel asleep before the end of the show so I don't know if at the end of the show Mark yelled "April Fools" or not. Anyone else see this and verify that I wasn't dreaming? If true if I had a car in line there for any work I'd be yanking it ASAP.
Mark had quality control issues in the shop. This is a reality that every business, no matter what, experiences. I felt it was better for the show to be transparent about the issues rather than pretend they never happened.
The very fact that he admitted the problem and showcased that he took the car back to square-one should show the level of commitment the shop has to making sure they're delivered right.
I hoped people would have appreciated this aspect of the show just as much as Mark's customers have.
Quote from: Kern Dog on December 16, 2019, 11:44:01 PM
I'm not ready to bury the guy BUT when he had the hippie idiot from Magnum Farce suspension there to aid in installing his shitty front end parts, Mark's standing in my opinion fell several notches. Unless you are in a band, there is no sensible reason for a man in his 50s to look like that guy.
I don't understand this criticism. Is it that because you don't like the way he looks that his parts are garbage? Ron is a great and down-to-earth guy and we find his products the best out there when it comes to putting modern engines into these old muscle cars.
Quote from: ACUDANUT on December 17, 2019, 02:59:25 AM
That show is all about "Buzzard Beak". (Mark) ..Worthless stupid talk. If they aired one car at a time, from start to finish I would watch it more.
lol. Mark does have a big nose.
People are going to talk on a TV Show. If you spend five minutes in a restoration shop, the crew is going to talk, bitch, moan, and pull pranks on each other to make light of the hard work they're doing. That's the "reality" of most jobs. If you're building a car in your garage, then I understand if your silent.
And we'd love nothing more to have a car done per episode. However, we finish about 8 cars a year due to the painstaking detail and effort it takes to complete a car.
Why so little every year? When GYC started, Mark was out to prove that he could restore ANY car, in ANY condition. And that means he's taken on a lot of cars that need ALOT of work.
And we agree to make 26 episodes per-year with Motortrend (one of the most of any show on the network, by the way).
So, with all that said, we showcase every detail of the restoration. What you see in an episode is, for the most part, a reflection of what happened the week or so we filmed a few months before it aired.
But multiple times a season, we do mash-up episodes that feature the entire restoration process of a car, from arrival to delivery. We have one airing this Friday for our 1 of 8 1971 'Cuda Convertible.
Quote from: NHCharger on December 20, 2019, 07:25:32 PM
Quote from: birdsandbees on December 20, 2019, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: John_Kunkel on December 20, 2019, 01:01:52 PM
I was surprised that Mark hinted the business couldn't survive without the show.
Interesting, yet others claim he's paying for the show out of his pocket.. so which is it! LOL
Hmm, I must have been snoozing when he said that.
There was another show on MT called Fantom Works which I liked. The owner chose to cancel the show stating it was too intrusive and cost him time and money. claims he is almost a million dollars in debt when he ended the show. That doesn't ring right to me. At anytime they had 50 to 90 cars in the shop.
The answer is simple: both.
You see, before the show Graveyard Carz existed, Mark was the owner of a collision repair shop called Welby's Car Care (still the official name of the restoration business). He worked on Mopars as a side-gig because it was his passion.
When GYC was picked up and became a success, the show provided him exposure to showcase his skills and shift the business to Mopar restoration full-time.
He no longer does collision repair.
If the show were to get canceled (not likely due to our ratings), the restoration business would suffer.
The reason why is because the show provides him with sponsors. This benefits the customer too, because Mark charges FAR LESS than most restorations services out there.
If the show were canceled, the sponsors will pull out. Mark would have to pay full-price for those products. In turn, he'd have to charge customers full-price. And that *could* reduce the amount of potential customers he could have at any given time.
And it's true: Graveyard Carz is an independently produced show. Mark pays for it all. So - even if we were canceled - we'd still exist in some way. But we have a great relationship with Motortrend and hope to continue to grow with them for years to come.
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on December 21, 2019, 05:10:27 AM
Quote from: Mopar Nut on December 21, 2019, 03:14:16 AM
Dan from Fantom Works is a drama queen.
You're not kidding. Every car that comes in has "hidden" surprises, but to him, they are catastrophes, which makes him angry, and then it's time for a commercial break. Such false drama.
There's no secret that we "edit" these sequences at the end of an act to leave people in suspense. But we have to worry about commercial breaks. And every commercial break is an opportunity for people to change the channel.
So, in a way, we all hate commercial breaks.
But I will say, editing aside, these "oh shit" moments are genuine.
Even at its wackiest times, there are no scripts generated to the show. The heavily criticized "fake drama" is Mark trying to recreate his favorite moments from pop-culture. He hams up the camera.
Mark's a big kid. Some people understand and laugh. Others, as I see here, tend to just get pissed and I feel sorry for their kids.
Quote from: b5blue on December 21, 2019, 09:03:46 AM
I agree, he pretends to be upset at making more money. :scratchchin:
The truth is we don't make a lot of money for the show. It's the choice Mark makes to own the IP and have creative control of the show.
Quote from: Mopar Nut on December 21, 2019, 03:50:42 PM
I don't know, Wheeler Dealers takes their work serious, no drama on that show.
Unfair comparison. We love Wheeler Dealers but it's a totally different show than us.
Quote from: Vegas_Nick on December 22, 2019, 02:57:45 PM
Quote from: RallyeMike on December 21, 2019, 02:48:54 PM
Scripted drama pays the bills. There will never be a series of successful car restoration documentaries.
And what's funny is all these guys talking smack usually fit in one or both categories:
1) they have never done any restoration or fabrication work in their life.
2) They aren't good enough at a sales pitch to get a TV show. :icon_smile_big:
Seriously, after reading Richard Rawlings biography, I came to realy respect the man and appreciate how many of these shows get on the air. They man has been desolate broke five times over in his life. By his own admission, because he was a lecherous shithead. Through all that, and his love of cars and being a damn good salesman, he sold a network on Gas Monkey. My guess is that Worman is't much different. He sold the network on just what you said, [art drama, part comedy, mixed with is obvious love for cars and a pretty solid knowledge of all things Mopar. Love him or hate him, he has a show and we don't
I should say that when Mark pitched the show to Velocity back in the day, they weren't interested in a show "just" about Mopars. They didn't think the niche could support a long-term show.
We basically gave them the first season, which Mark paid for out of his pocket, just to prove its viability.
The landscape is different now and networks are looking for something "different" than what has been established so far.
Quote from: Stevearino on December 22, 2019, 06:23:00 PM
After I finished my Daytona Clone and it got a bit of exposure I ended up talking to the guy who invented that body over build at West Coast Customs.Sean Mahaney. He was the heavy set guy who did all the metal work to put the two cars together. He gave me a little insight into the behind the scenes goings on and the main take away which I suspected was true was that all of the show projects are rushed pieces of crap. He said the producers ask for the moon and the shop owner took it out on the employees to deliver on unreal schedule to satisfy filming requirements. After working sometimes 80 hours a week (40 of which were unpaid) on some super crap builds Sean quit and started his own business building custom performance wheel chairs. Sadly while he had a good business going he was killed in a motorcycle accident on his way to a charity event. Hit and run. I was really grateful to have been able to talk and get to know him. Very nice guy. Very talented. Not the baffoon they caricatured him as in the show.
That's a sad story. And that kind of thing can happen.
However, we sell the show to Motortrend as a pre-sale acquisition. This means Mark is in control of the overall product. He just agrees to a timeline of when the episodes will be delivered.
With that said, Mark still gets nervous when it's time to talk with renewing the next season - just as you saw in the first episode of the new season.
And because Mark is paying the film crew to shoot the show, that's why you see footage of him unsure if the network will renew when you see it on TV. At the time of filming that, the network hadn't agreed to the new season.
I hope that clears up some things.
I can't resist
Quote from: ACUDANUT on February 10, 2020, 02:10:49 PM
I reached that point many moons ago. Mark is a buzzard nosed clown who can't afford a nose job.. All talk, with very little action.
All the cars restored with "little action".
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Well then. How about one car at a time like phantom works (awesome show). No stupid idle time with Mark flapping his gums. Show the work. Start to stop. :Twocents:
Quote from: ACUDANUT on February 10, 2020, 03:21:47 PM
Well then. How about one car at a time like phantom works (awesome show). No stupid idle time with Mark flapping his gums. Show the work. Start to stop. :Twocents:
We'd love to, but the cost associated with that is exactly why Fantom Works is no longer a show. We just can't do it with our restorations.
Thanks for chiming in. I do enjoy the show most of the time.
I stand by my comments about Ron Jenkins and Magnum Farce suspensions. He looks like an an unemployed Rock band roadie and his parts are junk. I didn't like the Al Quaeda looking guy from Fast and Loud either.
I also think the dork from "My Classic Car", Denis Gage looks like a total idiot with that gay hat and mustache. I don't begrudge a person for a deformity. A haircut or clothes are easily changed though.
If you're on TV, your appearance matters.
I actually like Mark's antics. I act in much the same way, thinking what I say is funny even though there are many that are not as impressed.
I think that it is fair to state that putting the daughter in charge of Quality Control was just another way to get her in front of the camera. Sure, she is a nice looking woman but is SHE really qualified? Really?? Can she possibly know if they used the correct hose clamps, did the proper ink stamps, decal placements, headlight aiming, wheel alignment, weld spacing in floor pans, etc?
Cousin Douggie seems to alternate between looking normal and smart to being a clueless window licker. Is that an act? Is he directed to appear like the guy from "Sling Blade" ? The young blond guy seems smart and competent. Dave Rea was a great asset. Sorry that he left the show.
Finally, I really doubt that even ONE car guy cares to see the producers or film crew...at all....ever. It does not pertain to the cars and we do not care at all. They may be great guys but they don't add anything to the show. It is like extra regulation or additional taxes to citizens of the state.
So while we've got you.. can you tell me if Mark owns shares in Rhino liner, the "OE" bottom coating of champions?! :scratchchin:
Good point. Why not just paint the underbody?
"and I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise."
and then goes and posts three of the longest posts...
doesn't matter, the fact is a lot of us stuck it out the first 3 seasons because of the cars, and now it isn't worth it anymore
Appreciated response 426, My comment on "then acts pissed he's making more money" was to/about previous Fantom Works comments not G.C. and Mark. Having actually worked in a shop that did both restoration and repair with a bit of racing I had hopes that the show was going to be more saving rather hopeless Mopars.
Quote from: Chargen69 on February 11, 2020, 06:33:09 AM
"and I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise."
and then goes and posts three of the longest posts...
doesn't matter, the fact is a lot of us stuck it out the first 3 seasons because of the cars, and now it isn't worth it anymore
It's more accurate to use the entire quote rather than cherry-pick a section to derive an entirely different context.
I said: "
Whether you like the show or not is also your opinion, and I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise."
By cherry-picking my quote, you created the false assumption that my 'long post' tried to change your opinion of the show. It did not.
If you don't like the show, change the channel.
I still say, less b.s. talk and more action/work. Mark needs to act like a professional.
Quote from: ACUDANUT on February 11, 2020, 02:24:41 PM
I still say, less b.s. talk and more action/work. Mark needs to act like a professional.
The show is what it is and that will never change.
If you need Mark to change, then the show is not for you. His professionalism derives from the builds themselves, not his wacky personality.
Quote from: 426Hemi on February 11, 2020, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on February 11, 2020, 02:24:41 PM
I still say, less b.s. talk and more action/work. Mark needs to act like a professional.
The show is what it is and that will never change.
If you need Mark to change, then the show is not for you. His professionalism derives from the builds themselves, not his wacky personality.
Yes, I will move on. I like to a see a professional at work, not a ass clown doing 6 digit cars. I understand it takes 3-5 years and 100k Plus to finish a car these days, at his shop. :RantExplode:
Quote from: 426Hemi on February 11, 2020, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on February 11, 2020, 02:24:41 PM
I still say, less b.s. talk and more action/work. Mark needs to act like a professional.
The show is what it is and that will never change.
If you need Mark to change, then the show is not for you. His professionalism derives from the builds themselves, not his wacky personality.
I like the guy.
Serious people bore the hell out of me. Give me pranks, sarcasm, inappropriate racial and sexual humor and I'm entertained.
I don't watch these shows to learn, I watch them to see people and things that I identify with.
I just watched the new one about the cuda convertible. And I like how they started from the tear down all the way through the end in one episode. Kinda catches you up and finishes it. Wish more where like this but I understand.
Luke
Quote from: 426Hemi on February 10, 2020, 02:33:46 PM
Hello, I'm D.L. Watson, director, and producer of Graveyard Carz. I read through this forum and felt some of the misconceptions could be clarified.
Welcome...
For everyone complaining, the bigger question at hand is how did a guy register in December 2019 and get "426HEMI" as a handle?! That should have been taken years ago :lol:
I've said what I thought of the show and stand by it. As long as y'all can keep an all Mopar show on the air I will support it.
Quote from: TexasStroker on February 12, 2020, 12:00:07 AM
Quote from: 426Hemi on February 10, 2020, 02:33:46 PM
Hello, I'm D.L. Watson, director, and producer of Graveyard Carz. I read through this forum and felt some of the misconceptions could be clarified.
Welcome...
For everyone complaining, the bigger question at hand is how did a guy register in December 2019 and get "426HEMI" as a handle?! That should have been taken years ago :lol:
I've said what I thought of the show and stand by it. As long as y'all can keep an all Mopar show on the air I will support it.
I agree, I'm all for an all Mopar show. Seems like if you see a Mopar being built on another show, they're trying to turn in to a Chevy, or all the other custom stuff out there. I would like to see more of the history of the cars though, as the cars are the stars really (wasn't that the main purpose of the show in season 1?). Maybe even show the cars months later after the owners have had them for awhile and what they've done with them. But I get it if the owners want privacy.
Having said that, the first few episodes of this season were VERY hard to watch though. If that were to continue, I don't think I would've continued to watch it as the entire show focused way too much on the crew and barely showed the cars.
As for Mark, I get his humor/ballbusting, it's not offensive to me. In fact very mild compared to some workplaces. I'm looking forward to seeing his take on the "My Cousin Vinny" courtroom skit.
BTW, when Mark and Tony were picking through the convertible to find salvageable parts, I thought I heard Tony say he sells his used parts for the same price he pays for them. If that's the case, maybe UNICEF is finally getting into the auto salvage business!!
Quote from: 426Hemi on February 11, 2020, 01:03:13 PM
Quote from: Chargen69 on February 11, 2020, 06:33:09 AM
"and I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise."
and then goes and posts three of the longest posts...
doesn't matter, the fact is a lot of us stuck it out the first 3 seasons because of the cars, and now it isn't worth it anymore
It's more accurate to use the entire quote rather than cherry-pick a section to derive an entirely different context.
I said: "Whether you like the show or not is also your opinion, and I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise."
By cherry-picking my quote, you created the false assumption that my 'long post' tried to change your opinion of the show. It did not.
If you don't like the show, change the channel.
whole quote or not, you're here to change opinions
and don't worry about me I did change the channel, and your being here aint helping anything
Some of us were talking about Mark and the show in the Aero Car group on Facebook.....his lack of knowledge, lack of professionalism, corner cutting on the cars, poor workmanship, etc.....
One of the guys said, "I wouldn't trust him to work on my lawnmower"
And we all agreed
Bryan
Quote from: A383Wing on February 12, 2020, 03:19:58 PM
Some of us were talking about Mark and the show in the Aero Car group.....his lack of knowledge, lack of professionalism, corner cutting on the cars, poor workmanship, etc.....
One of the guys said, "I wouldn't trust him to work on my lawnmower"
And we all agreed
Bryan
Have you looked at any of the cars up close? Pitiful is a much kinder word than it really deserves.
Rides on TLC is about the best, one hour car show that I can remember. I'd like GYC more if it was a 30 minute show, and then a one hour special on the cars when completed.
Quote from: GreenMachine on February 12, 2020, 01:11:17 AM
If that's the case, maybe UNICEF is finally getting into the auto salvage business!!
Dang.
Life's a garden, dig it.
D.L. Watson, thank you for chiming in. You're right, you can't please everybody and Mark's antics can definitely rub people the wrong way. It just comes across as unprofessional when it takes up 25% of the show. I did see an episode where Mark was installing some axles, and another where he was showing how a steering column goes together. So he does know his shit. Too bad he couldn't do a little tutorial on each episode, and actually show each step involved. In most automotive shows they zip thru stuff. Not talking about rebuilding a rear end which is beyond most do it your-selfers abilities.
I'd be happy to give you a list of projects :lol:
D.L.... thanks for making an entertaining show. As a younger (just barely 50) guy, and one who has worked in the automotive and aviation industry most of my life, I really do appreciate the humor, off hand remarks, and Mark's general demeanor. We'd get along just fine! Now, knowing that it's a self funded and self produced show, I like it even more!
Quote from: 426Hemi on February 10, 2020, 02:33:46 PM
Hello, I'm D.L. Watson, director, and producer of Graveyard Carz. I read through this forum and felt some of the misconceptions could be clarified.
Whether you believe these answers are entirely up to you. Whether you like the show or not is also your opinion, and I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. We've had criticism of the show since 2012, when it first started, and we've consistently pulled in great ratings on the network.
To address some points:
Quote from: NHCharger on December 16, 2019, 07:52:18 PM
Anyone catch the the new episode of GYC last week??
Mark and his lead painter admitted that they had some sub-par employees do some shitty work. They highlighted a blue R/R. Said they had to tear the car completely apart and start over again.
I was dozing off and on thru the show (as usual). But I thought I heard Mark say that he was putting his daughter in charge of the shop and quality control :smilielol: :smilielol: This is the same daughter that just last year he was showing her how to install parking lights and side maker lights.
I feel asleep before the end of the show so I don't know if at the end of the show Mark yelled "April Fools" or not. Anyone else see this and verify that I wasn't dreaming? If true if I had a car in line there for any work I'd be yanking it ASAP.
Mark had quality control issues in the shop. This is a reality that every business, no matter what, experiences. I felt it was better for the show to be transparent about the issues rather than pretend they never happened.
The very fact that he admitted the problem and showcased that he took the car back to square-one should show the level of commitment the shop has to making sure they're delivered right.
I hoped people would have appreciated this aspect of the show just as much as Mark's customers have.
Quote from: Kern Dog on December 16, 2019, 11:44:01 PM
I'm not ready to bury the guy BUT when he had the hippie idiot from Magnum Farce suspension there to aid in installing his shitty front end parts, Mark's standing in my opinion fell several notches. Unless you are in a band, there is no sensible reason for a man in his 50s to look like that guy.
I don't understand this criticism. Is it that because you don't like the way he looks that his parts are garbage? Ron is a great and down-to-earth guy and we find his products the best out there when it comes to putting modern engines into these old muscle cars.
Quote from: ACUDANUT on December 17, 2019, 02:59:25 AM
That show is all about "Buzzard Beak". (Mark) ..Worthless stupid talk. If they aired one car at a time, from start to finish I would watch it more.
lol. Mark does have a big nose.
People are going to talk on a TV Show. If you spend five minutes in a restoration shop, the crew is going to talk, bitch, moan, and pull pranks on each other to make light of the hard work they're doing. That's the "reality" of most jobs. If you're building a car in your garage, then I understand if your silent.
And we'd love nothing more to have a car done per episode. However, we finish about 8 cars a year due to the painstaking detail and effort it takes to complete a car.
Why so little every year? When GYC started, Mark was out to prove that he could restore ANY car, in ANY condition. And that means he's taken on a lot of cars that need ALOT of work.
And we agree to make 26 episodes per-year with Motortrend (one of the most of any show on the network, by the way).
So, with all that said, we showcase every detail of the restoration. What you see in an episode is, for the most part, a reflection of what happened the week or so we filmed a few months before it aired.
But multiple times a season, we do mash-up episodes that feature the entire restoration process of a car, from arrival to delivery. We have one airing this Friday for our 1 of 8 1971 'Cuda Convertible.
Like it or not, Graveyard Cars has made the prices of our Chargers go way up. I'll continue watching the show. I like that they build the car back to factory specifications and they don't use new computer controlled engines and aftermarket wheels for the most part. They look and sound like a muscle car should.
I enjoyed Shadetree Mechanic and also Horsepower TV when it was just Chuck and Joe. I miss both of those shows.
Factory specs? Lol
Quote from: johntpr on March 19, 2020, 01:00:16 PM
Factory specs? Lol
What would you call it? They don't use 20 inch wheels, headers, aluminum intakes, Holley carburetors or fuel injection, no custom interiors, no custom paint jobs, no custom brakes or vintage air systems. Now I have seen them use a few aftermarket things if the customer requests it. They are closer to factory than what most of the other restoration shows would make them. The cars are in much better shape when they leave the shop than they were when they were sitting and rotting. I like the show and I like the fact that they are putting Mopars back on the road as opposed to sitting and rotting. Doesn't mean you have to like the show though.
Quote from: John Milner on March 19, 2020, 12:27:45 PM
Like it or not, Graveyard Cars has made the prices of our Chargers go way up.
yep that is the reason prices are up... ok
:insertsarcasm:
:lol:
Quote from: Chargen69 on March 21, 2020, 10:43:18 PM
Quote from: John Milner on March 19, 2020, 12:27:45 PM
Like it or not, Graveyard Cars has made the prices of our Chargers go way up.
yep that is the reason prices are up... ok
:insertsarcasm:
It’s one of the reasons. Do you think it hurts the value of our Chargers to have a show that thousands of people watch where they restore Chargers?
I’m wrong. Maybe it does hurt the value because I can see you’re really smart.
:insertsarcasm:
thousands of people watch, I'd have to see the numbers on that
prices being up has NOTHING to do with the fact that dodge made less of these cars than other makes made of theirs, how many millions of impalas did chevy make?
smart has nothing to do with it either, common sense says only a few diehards continued to watch this blow hard show.
Quote from: Chargen69 on March 23, 2020, 07:26:49 AM
common sense says only a few diehards continued to watch this blow hard show.
So, this is the only car show with blowhards? ::) Color me "diehard".
Yeah I still enjoy GYC :2thumbs:
Quote from: Chargen69 on March 23, 2020, 07:24:43 AM
thousands of people watch, I'd have to see the numbers on that
i have, its well into the hundreds of thousands, which i considered low because they have over 3 million facebook followers.
Quote from: Chargen69 on March 23, 2020, 07:26:49 AM
smart has nothing to do with it either, common sense says only a few diehards continued to watch this blow hard show.
You sure respond a lot for a guy that seems to dislike the show.
If you don't like it, fine....Others do so what is your motivation to piss all over it?
If the show didn't generate ratings, it would be cancelled pretty quickly.
How is it going with that show that YOU do?
Quote from: Kern Dog on March 23, 2020, 06:08:33 PM
Quote from: Chargen69 on March 23, 2020, 07:26:49 AM
smart has nothing to do with it either, common sense says only a few diehards continued to watch this blow hard show.
You sure respond a lot for a guy that seems to dislike the show.
If you don't like it, fine....Others do so what is your motivation to piss all over it?
If the show didn't generate ratings, it would be cancelled pretty quickly.
How is it going with that show that YOU do?
I just got ticked off when the dude joined this thread to "not change anyone's mind" and then posted a book
Quote from: TONY on March 23, 2020, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: Chargen69 on March 23, 2020, 07:24:43 AM
thousands of people watch, I'd have to see the numbers on that
i have, its well into the hundreds of thousands, which i considered low because they have over 3 million facebook followers.
hell I check out their fb page every once in a while to see some of the cars, but I don't like the sound of mark's voice anymore so I skip any videos
I like the show and I get Marks sense of humor, I'm happy that Daren and the son in law is gone. I'm just waiting to see them use a torque wrench and not tighten every bolt with a air ratchet.
As much as I love the Mopars, I never "save" an episode on the DVR. I do save ROADKILL though.
I'm surprised to see this topic hasn't been bumped to the top in 60 days or more.
The recent episodes don't have the producer or camera guys onscreen. That is a plus. They add nothing car related to the show.
I still look at Cousin Douggie as the retarded brother to Sam Elliot with that mustache.
I like the cartoon segments, in theory.
The animation is good, and its a neat break from the filmed segments.
They just need to be written better.
The one with his daughter and wife crossing the bridge failed(in my eyes) because it is a terrible joke.
The only other one I saw had Mark as John Mcclane, and Rambo, going into a "scary" castle????
Are these actually new episodes? If you look at the info on TVguide.com for this Fridays issue it says NEW, then further over to the left it says 2014. I've only had the Motor Trend channel since last summer so most of the episodes are new to me. I only had Velocity Channel for a couple months before MT bought them. It seems like MT is going for the cheapest series possible. Anything that involves a car with steering wheel on the wrong side doesn't interest me.
At least there is a Mopar show for us to watch. I would be nice to have more how to type stuff like what Keven Tetz has done in the past but
that probably would not pay the bills so I am happy to have what we got.
I lost interest in the show early on due to the drama and very little hands on but I do respect anyone bringing
these cars back to their former glory.
Sorry to hear Fantom Works is no more if GYC's were more like that show I'd still watch then if it were it wouldn't
be on anymore so I couldn't :lol:
When Dave Rea left I assume it was money. Talented people know their self worth maybe his wasn't in their budget.
I guess I'll give GYC's another go it's the only all mopar show out there and as advised by 426 Hemi I can always change the channel. :Twocents:
No disrespect to Dave but all he does is install new and refurbished parts i.e. wiper motor, fuel tank, fuel lines, brakes, brake lines, cables, rear diff and springs and install a rebuilt powertrain. They out source headliner ,vinyl top, glass, seat upholstery and all dash components. :Twocents:
Yeah, in my opinion if a "restorer" farms out all the metal work, all the body and paintwork, all the restoration of components, purchases all aftermarket stuff, farms out the engine, trans, rear end, brakes and front end, the electrical wok and everything else, he's simply a Mopar assembler.
I've disassembled and reassembled my Charger and Challenger and frankly it's a lot of work but not all that hard.
Its the only Mopar show we have to watch. Good eye candy and you get some helpful tidbits now and then. Ya, Mark can be a bit much at times, but I'm thankful for the show. Many thanks to the Producer and GYC for putting it on. Gives me something to watch in the off season. :cheers:
Quote from: Back N Black on June 22, 2020, 05:13:10 PM
No disrespect to Dave but all he does is install new and refurbished parts i.e. wiper motor, fuel tank, fuel lines, brakes, brake lines, cables, rear diff and springs and install a rebuilt powertrain. They out source headliner ,vinyl top, glass, seat upholstery and all dash components. :Twocents:
I have noticed that, if I had the money, I may go that route. But at the same time, like many of us, if I wanted something fixed/restored/repaired I had to do it myself, or it wasn't going to happen.
I have picked up, and improved a great many skills that way.
I like the show. Its fun to watch, and its the only all MOPAR show.
Quote from: Back N Black on June 22, 2020, 05:13:10 PM
No disrespect to Dave but all he does is install new and refurbished parts i.e. wiper motor, fuel tank, fuel lines, brakes, brake lines, cables, rear diff and springs and install a rebuilt powertrain. They out source headliner ,vinyl top, glass, seat upholstery and all dash components. :Twocents:
Lots of people don't know it, but lots of Resto shops farm out or out source stuff. LEON.
:iagree:
The guy George, in the metal shop, seams to be doing good work, he also seams to be taking his job seriously.
The new season has been really good so far. I like the show. It almost lost me last season but they turned it around. I'm fairly new to Mopars so I do actually learn a lot of tidbits which is good.
The show is a great example of how any show can have critics and fans.
An all Mopar car build show and people still bitch about it!
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 24, 2020, 11:55:17 PM
An all Mopar car build show and people still bitch about it!
GEEZ! I agree! Find an ALL Chevy or Ford show that's currently running after multiple seasons...oh wait, you can't! Yes, I agree, Mark's antics may only be silly for some, but it's ENTERTAINMENT people! :2thumbs:
I like the show, though I don't watch it religiously. When I do watch it, there are parts I'll skip through, like the animated segments, but I figure I enjoy over 75% of the show. They have dialed way back on the conflict and some of Mark's more rude/demeaning behavior. I don't mind that he acts like a goofball.
I like watching gas monkey too, and feel the same way about it. There's some pointless segments in that show as well that I skip through, too.
Overall, I enjoy GYC. It's TV, you just can't take it too seriously. ;)
Love the show but I often have to wonder how much (including the antics) is ad-lib and how much is scripted.
Quote from: John_Kunkel on June 25, 2020, 01:53:58 PM
Love the show but I often have to wonder how much (including the antics) is ad-lib and how much is scripted.
Not judging or saying I could do any better 'off the cuff', but I'll bet 80-90% of it is scripted...
I don't worry if I miss an episode or whatnot. It'll be on a rerun sometime or another. It's fine entertainment for an hour.
Too many people are critical of the show... I kinda get it. But it's this or another show featuring chevies or fords. Take your pick. :Twocents:
Quote from: Birdflu on June 25, 2020, 08:22:01 AM
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 24, 2020, 11:55:17 PM
An all Mopar car build show and people still bitch about it!
GEEZ! I agree! Find an ALL Chevy or Ford show that's currently running after multiple seasons...oh wait, you can't! Yes, I agree, Mark's antics may only be silly for some, but it's ENTERTAINMENT people! :2thumbs:
What GYC needs is competition. If a show like Fantom Works went all Mopar, Buzzard Beak would be finished once and for all.
Quote from: ACUDANUT on July 09, 2020, 07:22:20 PM
Quote from: Birdflu on June 25, 2020, 08:22:01 AM
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 24, 2020, 11:55:17 PM
An all Mopar car build show and people still bitch about it!
GEEZ! I agree! Find an ALL Chevy or Ford show that's currently running after multiple seasons...oh wait, you can't! Yes, I agree, Mark's antics may only be silly for some, but it's ENTERTAINMENT people! :2thumbs:
What GYC needs is competition. If a show like Fantom Works went all Mopar, Buzzard Beak would be finished once and for all.
Why do you have to insult Mark every time you make a comment? I thought you were a man of GOD.
She "nose" not what she say :lol: