Operation #614; well, the day has come.. My 4th 1969 Dodge Charger 500 is actually one of the original pilot group of 6 designated for Press Release, they were all built at the same time. Luckily she survives with her original 426 Hemi. As you can see from the fender tag, the VON is 925004.. 500 VON's always start 925xxx.. This car is 925004..
It has been told that 3 of the first were 4speeds and 1 auto known (mine).. Two unknown.. It is highly likely mine is this 500 in Bud Lindermann's road test on the new Dodge Charger 500..
Thanks Danny for number correction.
https://youtu.be/wLX1h6jvWYs <<< Road Test video
Want to give special thanks to Tom, previous owner for over 30+ years, Daniel Liebrandt for connecting us and Dave Points for his assistance on this trip. Kim Cook Hawkes, honey, guess I'll be in the garage of you're looking for me.. 😀
On my way home now.. So, this is what I went after yesterday.
Might remember this thread...
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,131510.0.html
Woo, woo. Congrats Troy!!
Cool! Congrat's!
The video is a great resto reference. Are the rear reflector holders painted BODY color! (The horror!)
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on March 15, 2019, 04:18:31 PM
Cool! Congrat's!
The video is a great resto reference. Are the rear reflector holders painted BODY color! (The horror!)
Yeap.. On this 500 I will have to honor that.. Lol
Nice Score AB
Troy be honest. It wasn't the Hemi was it-it was the hood mounted turn signals that did it. ;)
O-gezzzz your gonna need more fender fillers, your a steady customer :nana:.... that's gonna be a "spendy" project, good luck with the new toy Troy!
Congrats on this project. Hope it turns out better for you than the bird
Wow :o Congratulations ABT awesome stuff :yesnod: :2thumbs:
:popcrn:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=61184.0. This same car
Quote from: DAY CLONA on March 15, 2019, 07:20:38 PM
O-gezzzz your gonna need more fender fillers, your a steady customer :nana:.... that's gonna be a "spendy" project, good luck with the new toy Troy!
Nope.. 😀 have a set already.. But may need to get the rubber trim...
How hot is the hemi? My favorite Youtube video. Love the burnouts with the bias ply tires.Nice find. Congrats.
Cool beans Troy! :yesnod:
Quote from: taxspeaker on March 15, 2019, 07:08:34 PM
Troy be honest. It wasn't the Hemi was it-it was the hood mounted turn signals that did it. ;)
Neither... It was the thickness of dust to become "barn-find" status.. 😀
Very cool! Congratulations!
Congrats :2thumbs: LEON.
IIRC there were two 69 Charger 500 PR vehicles,one Hemi automatic car,and one 4 speed car. The 4 speed car was stolen,and recovered and Cotton Owens ended up with it minus the drivetrain. Troys car is the automatic car featured on Road and Track.
Awesome news Troy! Man thats so cool you have the road test car,! I think I have watched that video 1,000 times! You should bring it to the 50th Aero Reunion this October As in found maybe running condition.
Awesome.
This one's a keeper. :cheers:
Troy is determined to own every 69 Charger 500 that was ever built!
Congrats brother....you are the king of trade ups! Bigger & better every time. Good luck!
Quote from: chargervert on March 16, 2019, 01:05:30 AM
IIRC there were two 69 Charger 500 PR vehicles,one Hemi automatic car,and one 4 speed car. The 4 speed car was stolen,and recovered and Cotton Owens ended up with it minus the drivetrain. Troys car is the automatic car featured on Road and Track.
Nice find, Troy!! :2thumbs:
Cotton had nothing to do with the "stolen/recovered" PR Charger 500.
Here's the real story of the stolen/recovered PR Daytona: https://oppositelock.kinja.com/how-a-stolen-car-became-nascars-fastest-and-ended-up-1763429837
This information was first documented in 1995 by Frank Moriarty in his book "SUPERCARS - The story of the Dodge Charger Daytona and Plymouth Superbird". He interviewed Frank Wylie, the head of PR at Chrysler at the time. A great book to get, if you can find a copy on ebay or amazon. The story is on page 107.
Keep in mind it was written 3 years before I found the #88, chassis # DC-93, in Iowa, sitting in a field, in plain view. In 1995, everyone thought the blue painted #88 at the Nascar Museum in Talladega was the real car!!
Sorry to hijack the thread, Troy, but I have to keep Chrysler aero history correct. :2thumbs:
Watts story of stolen 68Charger becomes 88 daytona
Quote from: odcics2 on March 16, 2019, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: chargervert on March 16, 2019, 01:05:30 AM
IIRC there were two 69 Charger 500 PR vehicles,one Hemi automatic car,and one 4 speed car. The 4 speed car was stolen,and recovered and Cotton Owens ended up with it minus the drivetrain. Troys car is the automatic car featured on Road and Track.
Nice find, Troy!! :2thumbs:
Cotton had nothing to do with the "stolen/recovered" PR Charger 500.
Here's the real story of the stolen/recovered PR Daytona: https://oppositelock.kinja.com/how-a-stolen-car-became-nascars-fastest-and-ended-up-1763429837
This information was first documented in the 1995 by Frank Moriarty in his book "SUPERCARS - The story of the Dodge Charger Daytona and Plymouth Superbird". He interviewed the Frank Wylie, the head of PR at Chrysler at the time. A great book to get, if you can find a copy on ebay or amazon. The story is on page 107.
Keep in mind it was written 3 years before I found the #88, chassis # DC-93, in Iowa, sitting in a field, in plain view. In 1995, everyone thought the blue painted #88 at the Nascar Museum in Talladega was the real car!!
Sorry to hijack the thread, Troy, but I have to keep Chrysler aero history correct. :2thumbs:
So your car is the stolen 69 Charger 500. I had remembered reading that Cotton Owens had received a 69 Charger 500 that was missing the engine and transmission and the fenders,and I assumed that it was the stolen Charger 500 that Hot Rod had lost.
I can not confirm or deny that this car is going to be in a magazine in the near future...
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2926/33179989172_611d1aa4a9_c.jpg)
Quote from: chargervert on March 16, 2019, 05:13:14 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on March 16, 2019, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: chargervert on March 16, 2019, 01:05:30 AM
IIRC there were two 69 Charger 500 PR vehicles,one Hemi automatic car,and one 4 speed car. The 4 speed car was stolen,and recovered and Cotton Owens ended up with it minus the drivetrain. Troys car is the automatic car featured on Road and Track.
Nice find, Troy!! :2thumbs:
Cotton had nothing to do with the "stolen/recovered" PR Charger 500.
Here's the real story of the stolen/recovered PR Daytona: https://oppositelock.kinja.com/how-a-stolen-car-became-nascars-fastest-and-ended-up-1763429837
This information was first documented in 1995 by Frank Moriarty in his book "SUPERCARS - The story of the Dodge Charger Daytona and Plymouth Superbird". He interviewed Frank Wylie, the head of PR at Chrysler at the time. A great book to get, if you can find a copy on ebay or amazon. The story is on page 107.
Keep in mind it was written 3 years before I found the #88, chassis # DC-93, in Iowa, sitting in a field, in plain view. In 1995, everyone thought the blue painted #88 at the Nascar Museum in Talladega was the real car!!
Sorry to hijack the thread, Troy, but I have to keep Chrysler aero history correct. :2thumbs:
So your car is the stolen 69 Charger 500. I had remembered reading that Cotton Owens had received a 69 Charger 500 that was missing the engine and transmission and the fenders,and I assumed that it was the stolen Charger 500 that Hot Rod had lost.
I can see how folks can be misled.
Cotton once claimed his #6 was the first stock car to break 200 with Baker driving.
That was disproved, especially when the ABC Wide World of Sports video showed up on Youtube of the 88 with Buddy at the wheel.
He then claimed that the #6 was the first car to break 200 during a race.
That was disproved when the historical account of the race was remembered in the August 1970 issue of Stock Car Racing Magazine.
Buddy's best race lap in the #6 was 198. and some change. (For the record NO car got over 200 during that race)
Cotton claimed the #6 Daytona that Chrysler used on the show car circuit in 1970, and a few years after, was the Southern 500 winner with Buddy driving it, and was also the "200 during a race" car.
That was disproved and there was a thread on it here last year, with vintage photos and a vintage magazine article to prove it.
Are you seeing a pattern?
I'd take Frank Wylie's 1995 interview as gospel. Frank had nothing to gain financially by telling it.
Perhaps Hot Rod should do more due diligence prior to publishing stories.
Neato. One the previous heads said something like "very low miles". What does the odo say?
Congrats, jealous for sure
Nice options Gonna keep this one maybe ?
Is that cloth seat inserts ?
And If I may ask, what designates it as a PR car .
That's awesome Troy! Cool car...still has the same wheel covers on it as in the road test?
:cheers: :2thumbs:
Quote from: gtx6970 on March 17, 2019, 10:05:12 AM
Nice options Gonna keep this one maybe ?
Is that cloth seat inserts ?
And If I may ask, what designates it as a PR car .
It is my understanding the first six were PR cars.. This is #5.. All Charger 500s start with 925XXX... this one is 925004
She's home now... :-)
Sweet! Congratulations! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 17, 2019, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: gtx6970 on March 17, 2019, 10:05:12 AM
Nice options Gonna keep this one maybe ?
Is that cloth seat inserts ?
And If I may ask, what designates it as a PR car .
It is my understanding the first six were PR cars.. This is #5.. All Charger 500s start with 925XXX... this one is 925004
Cool,
And to think I used to have a full set of 4 of those hubcaps NOS still in there brown paper bags
Quote from: gtx6970 on March 17, 2019, 06:59:32 PM
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Cool,
And to think I used to have a full set of 4 of those hubcaps NOS still in there brown paper bags
Fiddle-sticks.... ;D
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 17, 2019, 02:38:32 PM
She's home now... :-)
:scope: Awesome :drool5: :dance: looking forward to seeing up dates & more pictures as & when .. :popcrn: :cheers:
Quote from: gtx6970 on March 17, 2019, 10:05:12 AM
Nice options Gonna keep this one maybe ?
Is that cloth seat inserts ?
And If I may ask, what designates it as a PR car .
Code # Y28 Should be Public Relations. Code # Y39 should be special order. LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on March 17, 2019, 11:59:23 PM
Quote from: gtx6970 on March 17, 2019, 10:05:12 AM
Nice options Gonna keep this one maybe ?
Is that cloth seat inserts ?
And If I may ask, what designates it as a PR car .
Code # Y28 Should be Public Relations. Code # Y39 should be special order. LEON.
Guess mine is a special order vehicle along with the other 5... Broadcast sheet reflects "Special Handling Car"
Nice score. Will be interested in the numbers as you document this restoration. Interesting it has the Small TRW pump vice Federal, but seems like some very early cars had it. Also the Master Cylinder is not the traditional B body Hemi one. Would be interesting to see what the date code on the tag is. Good Luck and enjoy.
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on March 18, 2019, 07:08:15 AM
Nice score. Will be interested in the numbers as you document this restoration. Interesting it has the Small TRW pump vice Federal, but seems like some very early cars had it. Also the Master Cylinder is not the traditional B body Hemi one. Would be interesting to see what the date code on the tag is. Good Luck and enjoy.
My guess is the booster and master cylinder are original to the car... Not that it means it 100%, but the master cylinder still has the silver tag on it. But, I will check the tag.... I'll check into the pump too....... It is missing the 90 degree adaptor on the steering gear box...
Booster maybe, but not MC. No reason not to have the correct Bendix which was used since 67 thru 69 for B body, before becoming a staple on 70 C bodies. Looks like the 71 style. Hard to tell, but also looks like you have a 4 speed throttle cable bracket without the kick down stud (if so, I will trade you my automatic one:-)). Though it maybe hidden in pic. Your probably going to have to work thru the pulley puzzle again too; unless you go with the Federal pump:-) It is also interesting it has all the Vacuum hoses for the lights. Does this have a canister under the battery tray? Should be a neat project.
Not nick picking, just doing the comparison as it relates to mine. Plus what may have been differences on the first ones for demo, before they ran production versions.
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on March 18, 2019, 12:02:57 PM
Booster maybe, but not MC. No reason not to have the correct Bendix which was used since 67 thru 69 for B body, before becoming a staple on 70 C bodies. Looks like the 71 style. Hard to tell, but also looks like you have a 4 speed throttle cable bracket without the kick down stud (if so, I will trade you my automatic one:-)). Though it maybe hidden in pic. Your probably going to have to work thru the pulley puzzle again too; unless you go with the Federal pump:-) It is also interesting it has all the Vacuum hoses for the lights. Does this have a canister under the battery tray? Should be a neat project.
Not nick picking, just doing the comparison as it relates to mine. Plus what may have been differences on the first ones for demo, before they ran production versions.
No worries on the dissections and observations... I'll be pulling what I have, learning date code science and pressing on. I have the proper crank pulley, but will need to get the proper water pump pulley it seems unless this first patch used the 68 version ( which is the same as big block non-a/c cars ). This is my 4th 1969 Charger 500. I have had 500s with the headlamp vacuum lines cut off right at the firewall to which the vacuum canister was still under the battery tray, lines that were cut near the battery and hence, the canister is still there. I am taking it all depended on the technician working on a particular car. 500 #1 still has its vacuum lines running the length of the inner apron and it is an original survivor car. For, for all practical purposes, I will try to follow the lead of that car for my restoration.
Sure, if you wanna trade a 4speed cable bracket for a auto I'm for it. My car is an auto. At some point, the car was being converted to a manual tranny car back in the 80's I believe.
The obvious things I'll need to do is replace all the SE interior components with regular black '69 Charger interior panels and dash bezels, ( so glad the original seats were left alone ).
1. Black interior door panels
2. Black dash components
3. Have reproduction rear window trim, but would like to find originals.. ( yeah, right ).... But, doesn't hurt to look.
Then, there's the restoration of the car itself which includes the above items.........
Sold my 70 Road Runner yesterday, so that'll help pay for the paint and body.. That will be a great beginning to the project...
I'm pretty sure most Charger 500s have "SPECIAL HANDLING CAR" on the broadcast sheet & all are Y39
what does the sheet show for Wheels/wheel covers?
here's the engine compartment pic of the HOT ROD test HEMI automatic Charger 500
notice power steering pump & master cylinder
it would make sense that there were East Coast & West Coast "press test vehicles"
& if someone had a connection at HOT ROD, I'd bet that fender tag is readable on the source - was this photo published in MCR, does anyone know the issue?
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 18, 2019, 04:24:04 PM
I'm pretty sure most Charger 500s have "SPECIAL HANDLING CAR" on the broadcast sheet & all are Y39
what does the sheet show for Wheels/wheel covers?
They show the W23 "Recall" Wheels, I believe all of the first 6 did.. BUT, I do not believe any of them left either the assembly or Creative Industries with them on... All photos don't show them...
anyone know what track was used for Bud Lindemann's road test?
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 18, 2019, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 18, 2019, 04:24:04 PM
I'm pretty sure most Charger 500s have "SPECIAL HANDLING CAR" on the broadcast sheet & all are Y39
what does the sheet show for Wheels/wheel covers?
They show the W23 "Recall" Wheels, I believe all of the first 6 did.. BUT, I do not believe any of them left either the assembly or Creative Industries with them on... All photos don't show them...
that makes sense, Chrysler wouldn't want the press corp. to have cars with wheels that were "recalled" & the "dog dish" hub caps on the HOT ROD car & the c-body wheel covers on the Bud Lindemann road test car were probable recall solutions
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MUSCLE-CAR-REVIEW-MAGAZINE-MAY-2017-69-426-HEMI-CHARGER-500-70-GTO-JUDGE-69-Z-28-/173790767962
That is correct Bendix for Disc and Hemi. I have one already resleeved in stainless if your going to need it too. Mine was a previous restore so no Vacuum lines. May need to start looking for that, for the OEM look.
April 69 car life magazine tested to Hemi 500s
https://goo.gl/images/r7j8Pm
Keep in mind that the few early press cars were probably hand assembled on a pilot line and not Creative sourced.
Parts may not be "production level" either, compared to later builds.
Remember the few 1972 440 Sixpack B Bodies that were made, but weren't supposed to exist!!
The Kelsey Hayes Cast Road Wheels were officially recalled on Sept. 13th., 1968.
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/article/total-recall/
Cars built after August 28th., would not have them, even if coded.
Lastly, magazine lead times were months before the cover dates.
Example: Baker's March 24th. 200 run in the Engineering Daytona appeared in the August dated issue of Stock Car Racing magazine.
Wow Troy, great score on owning this particular 500. I love the Bud Lindemann road test video, to own the car tested in it is the ultimate! :drool5: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 18, 2019, 04:49:08 PM
here's the engine compartment pic of the HOT ROD test HEMI automatic Charger 500
notice power steering pump & master cylinder
it would make sense that there were East Coast & West Coast "press test vehicles"
& if someone had a connection at HOT ROD, I'd bet that fender tag is readable on the source - was this photo published in MCR, does anyone know the issue?
I've written Hot Rod today to try and get information... I can't see what you're referring to about the power steering pump.. I do see there are some adaptors on the master cylinder the brake lines are going into... mmmmm? I don't recall those...
This one is an auto and I also notice it doesn't have the big body plug in the firewall between the bulkhead connector and the wiper motor...
I also notice the placement of the Emissions decal, in the normally position spot of the '68 model year. My '68 Hemi Charger R/T had it over there by the washer bottle. For the most part, the 1969 model year had the Emissions decal next to the data tag.. Also noticed that on #1 from the pictures it is missing the Emissions decal all together..
Quote from: C500 on March 18, 2019, 08:39:32 PM
Wow Troy, great score on owning this particular 500. I love the Bud Lindemann road test video, to own the car tested in it is the ultimate! :drool5: :cheers: :2thumbs:
That's my hope... :-) There is a high probability it could be...
Troy
Quote from: odcics2 on March 18, 2019, 08:33:47 PM
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The Kelsey Hayes Cast Road Wheels were officially recalled on Sept. 13th., 1969.
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/article/total-recall/
...
you mean Sept. 13th 1968?
Are you going to put the recalled wheels/rims back on car. They repop them now don't they. LEON.
very nice :popcrn:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on March 18, 2019, 10:17:12 PM
Are you going to put the recalled wheels/rims back on car. They repop them now don't they. LEON.
Na... 1. I don't particularly like them. 2. The car never left Creative with them. So I see no "for correctness" need to. Plus, they are expensive. They are supposedly being made, but I thought they were in a state of back-order.
:2thumbs: :popcrn:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on March 18, 2019, 10:17:12 PM
Are you going to put the recalled wheels/rims back on car. They repop them now don't they. LEON.
Discontinued when Coker bought Specialty Wheel IIRC
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 18, 2019, 08:47:26 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on March 18, 2019, 08:33:47 PM
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The Kelsey Hayes Cast Road Wheels were officially recalled on Sept. 13th., 1969.
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/article/total-recall/
...
you mean Sept. 13th 1968?
Yes, I did. Sorry for any confusion!
:cheers:
Troy,
I have the 2 adapters for the master cylinder brake lines that are shown in the magazine photo. I removed them off a 69 hemi m/c several years ago. PM if you want them.
Quote from: chargercrazed on March 19, 2019, 01:00:39 PM
Troy,
I have the 2 adapters for the master cylinder brake lines that are shown in the magazine photo. I removed them off a 69 hemi m/c several years ago. PM if you want them.
PM sent
I like the Polara wheel covers it has, and had in the Bud video. Do they look like they will clean up well? I have a set on mine, and they look great.
Quote from: C500 on March 19, 2019, 03:20:20 PM
I like the Polara wheel covers it has, and had in the Bud video. Do they look like they will clean up well? I have a set on mine, and they look great.
I haven't inspected them thoroughly yet. May but those that Ralph has.
You have a picture you could share? Would like to see what others look like. There is one road test picture with a 500 with black steelies and hub caps (doggies).
:yesnod:
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hot-rods-five-fastest-mopars/
Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 19, 2019, 07:12:03 PM
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hot-rods-five-fastest-mopars/
Quote from article:
Kelly's test car was a Hemi-powered 500. Well, actually, he tested two. The first one, with a four-speed transmission, "was 'borrowed' (by person or persons as yet not convicted) and most of the parts liberated. Due to this unexpected car loan (that's not what the police termed it), we spent most of our time with the automatic car."
Origin of DC-93. (#88)
:2thumbs:
Ad
Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 19, 2019, 07:12:03 PM
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hot-rods-five-fastest-mopars/
Thanks Dave...
Noticed something about this car that mine doesn't have, the six-way driver's seat. So, this leads me to know that is auto isn't mine, eliminating it from a possible Bud Lindemann video car and closer to mine. Does anyone know where that drag was at? California or the East Coast somewhere?
I watched video few times what's the black circle cover on speedometer
https://www.musclecarfan.com/bud-lindemann-road-test-1969-dodge-charger-500-426-hemi/amp/
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 19, 2019, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: C500 on March 19, 2019, 03:20:20 PM
I like the Polara wheel covers it has, and had in the Bud video. Do they look like they will clean up well? I have a set on mine, and they look great.
I haven't inspected them thoroughly yet. May but those that Ralph has.
You have a picture you could share? Would like to see what others look like. There is one road test picture with a 500 with black steelies and hub caps (doggies).
It's not moving under it's own steam yet, will try for a pic in the next few days. Also have 500's and a aet of doggies. Different clothes for different days.
The Bud car or not, cool to own one of the original pilot cars :cheers:
Quote from: C500 on March 20, 2019, 03:12:49 AM
... Different clothes for different days.
The Bud car or not, cool to own one of the original pilot cars :cheers:
I will have that too.. I will have a set of redlines with the full wheel covers and a set of 15x7 or 15x8 steelies.
If I go painted steelies, I'll have hub caps, if not, they'll be black with chrome lug nuts..
Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 19, 2019, 11:47:49 PM
I watched video few times what's the black circle cover on speedometer
https://www.musclecarfan.com/bud-lindemann-road-test-1969-dodge-charger-500-426-hemi/amp/
Sun reflection on the clear lens?
Looks like a stick on circle pad
Video said 7 mpg ouch
110615 local car from nj left for Calif
Troys is 110614
Congratulation!
Real Nice find.
K-E
Were the other promo cars panther pink too? ;)
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134993.0;attach=296029;image)
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 20, 2019, 03:20:21 PM
Were the other promo cars panther pink too? ;)
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134993.0;attach=296029;image)
:haha: :icon_smile_big:
Some NOS stuff waiting to be placed on this Charger..
Back to the car and less useless banter...
1. NOS items I have had for a LONG time waiting for the right car. Well, it is here.. 1 500 script for the taillamp panel I have had for nearly 20 years and headlamp bezels.
2. The NOS center grille came with the car.
CAUTION!
Correct NOS - ASSEMBLY LINE parts are addicting!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on March 20, 2019, 08:29:07 PM
CAUTION!
Correct NOS - ASSEMBLY LINE parts are addicting!
MJ
...and hard to find... :Twocents:
And expensive :yesnod:
Does this car have XX on the dash VIN?
Is that a body tag?
(https://www.nicepng.com/png/full/298-2982097_zoom-price-buy-morgue-toe-tag-template.png)
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134993.0;attach=296223;image)
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 21, 2019, 06:27:05 AM
Is that a body tag?
(https://www.nicepng.com/png/full/298-2982097_zoom-price-buy-morgue-toe-tag-template.png)
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134993.0;attach=296223;image)
For "race" fill in "Yes".
:coolgleamA:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 21, 2019, 06:27:05 AM
Is that a body tag?
You freakin' crack me up.. :icon_smile_big:
It is the price tag of the emblem when I bought it..
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 18, 2019, 08:45:20 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 18, 2019, 04:49:08 PM
here's the engine compartment pic of the HOT ROD test HEMI automatic Charger 500
notice power steering pump & master cylinder
it would make sense that there were East Coast & West Coast "press test vehicles"
& if someone had a connection at HOT ROD, I'd bet that fender tag is readable on the source - was this photo published in MCR, does anyone know the issue?
I've written Hot Rod today to try and get information... I can't see what you're referring to about the power steering pump.. I do see there are some adaptors on the master cylinder the brake lines are going into... mmmmm? I don't recall those...
This one is an auto and I also notice it doesn't have the big body plug in the firewall between the bulkhead connector and the wiper motor...
I also notice the placement of the Emissions decal, in the normally position spot of the '68 model year. My '68 Hemi Charger R/T had it over there by the washer bottle. For the most part, the 1969 model year had the Emissions decal next to the data tag.. Also noticed that on #1 from the pictures it is missing the Emissions decal all together..
If you look at bracket for PS Pump, you can see it is different. It is the Big Block Federal Type bracket. Which would indicate a Federal pump. So... with water pump housing looking like it was swapped maybe pump was too. How close is the pully to the housing of the TRW pump at the HP hose inlet? Part number and date code on hose may help resolve especially if it is way early date code.
Interesting on the adapters on MC, wonder why? Have not seen those before. Are they just adapters or a type of residual pressure valve?
Quote from: odcics2 on March 18, 2019, 08:33:47 PM
Keep in mind that the few early press cars were probably hand assembled on a pilot line and not Creative sourced.
Parts may not be "production level" either, compared to later builds.
Remember the few 1972 440 Sixpack B Bodies that were made, but weren't supposed to exist!!
Yes, but they rolled down as a 69 R/T, so the only things hand done should have been the conversion parts. All of the major items (motor, brakes, steering, etc) should have been normal line items, no?
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on March 21, 2019, 09:50:40 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 18, 2019, 08:45:20 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 18, 2019, 04:49:08 PM
here's the engine compartment pic of the HOT ROD test HEMI automatic Charger 500
notice power steering pump & master cylinder
it would make sense that there were East Coast & West Coast "press test vehicles"
& if someone had a connection at HOT ROD, I'd bet that fender tag is readable on the source - was this photo published in MCR, does anyone know the issue?
I've written Hot Rod today to try and get information... I can't see what you're referring to about the power steering pump.. I do see there are some adaptors on the master cylinder the brake lines are going into... mmmmm? I don't recall those...
This one is an auto and I also notice it doesn't have the big body plug in the firewall between the bulkhead connector and the wiper motor...
I also notice the placement of the Emissions decal, in the normally position spot of the '68 model year. My '68 Hemi Charger R/T had it over there by the washer bottle. For the most part, the 1969 model year had the Emissions decal next to the data tag.. Also noticed that on #1 from the pictures it is missing the Emissions decal all together..
If you look at bracket for PS Pump, you can see it is different. It is the Big Block Federal Type bracket. Which would indicate a Federal pump. So... with water pump housing looking like it was swapped maybe pump was too. How close is the pully to the housing of the TRW pump at the HP hose inlet? Part number and date code on hose may help resolve especially if it is way early date code.
Interesting on the adapters on MC, wonder why? Have not seen those before. Are they just adapters or a type of residual pressure valve?
With these extremely early 500's, and hemi's at that, we can't assume they were dressed with the same pulley set up as production '69 cars were. Those motors they used could have been left-over '68-prepped motors... So, there could be similarities to the '68 model year ( just like the example of early '69 door handles with the black button versus production-69 chrome.. Make sense?
Sure does Troy, My 69 has black buttons on door handles.
Quote from: odcics2 on March 20, 2019, 09:08:21 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on March 20, 2019, 08:29:07 PM
CAUTION!
Correct NOS - ASSEMBLY LINE parts are addicting!
MJ
...and hard to find... :Twocents:
these tail lights would be a nice addition to such a rare and expensive car
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-70-DODGE-CHARGER-Daytona-NOS-TAIL-LIGHTS/163601579598?_trksid=p2485497.m4902.l9144
Quote from: Moparpoolman on March 21, 2019, 04:19:25 AM
Does this car have XX on the dash VIN?
I thought the early 500 cars (doesn't get much earlier than this) had XS on dash and fender tag but was designated a 500 by the A11 on the tag, and the XX came later? Not sure how much later? Someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong.
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on March 21, 2019, 10:49:01 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on March 18, 2019, 08:33:47 PM
Keep in mind that the few early press cars were probably hand assembled on a pilot line and not Creative sourced.
Parts may not be "production level" either, compared to later builds.
Remember the few 1972 440 Sixpack B Bodies that were made, but weren't supposed to exist!!
Yes, but they rolled down as a 69 R/T, so the only things hand done should have been the conversion parts. All of the major items (motor, brakes, steering, etc) should have been normal line items, no?
Not necessarily.
The first few Charger 500s were probably made at the Clairpointe Pre-Production plant.
Made as a Charger 500, not a converted R/T, like the rest of the production cars.
When Troy gets to removing the interior, I hope he looks for any signs of broken glass from the rear window being broken out to make a 500 from an R/T.
If there ARE glass bits, then it WAS a converted R/T. If not, it was purpose built as a 500.
Pilot cars were known to get most of the correct parts, but not all. :Twocents:
Any C-500 experts out there?
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 21, 2019, 02:12:49 PM
Quote from: Moparpoolman on March 21, 2019, 04:19:25 AM
Does this car have XX on the dash VIN?
I thought the early 500 cars (doesn't get much earlier than this) had XS on dash and fender tag but was designated a 500 by the A11 on the tag, and the XX came later? Not sure how much later? Someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong.
November 14 was the date they started getting XX, but there are a few exemptions either side of this date.
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 21, 2019, 12:17:38 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on March 20, 2019, 09:08:21 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on March 20, 2019, 08:29:07 PM
CAUTION!
Correct NOS - ASSEMBLY LINE parts are addicting!
MJ
...and hard to find... :Twocents:
these tail lights would be a nice addition to such a rare and expensive car
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-70-DODGE-CHARGER-Daytona-NOS-TAIL-LIGHTS/163601579598?_trksid=p2485497.m4902.l9144
Wow !!!! I'll stick with the real nice ones I have.........
Quote from: C500 on March 21, 2019, 02:54:47 PM
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on March 21, 2019, 02:12:49 PM
Quote from: Moparpoolman on March 21, 2019, 04:19:25 AM
Does this car have XX on the dash VIN?
I thought the early 500 cars (doesn't get much earlier than this) had XS on dash and fender tag but was designated a 500 by the A11 on the tag, and the XX came later? Not sure how much later? Someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong.
November 14 was the date they started getting XX, but there are a few exemptions either side of this date.
I believe that date applies to the XS versus XX on the fender tag.. I'll double check, but I believe my 500 has XX on the VIN and definitely has XS on the fender tag and broadcast sheet...
Quote from: odcics2 on March 21, 2019, 02:35:30 PM
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on March 21, 2019, 10:49:01 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on March 18, 2019, 08:33:47 PM
Keep in mind that the few early press cars were probably hand assembled on a pilot line and not Creative sourced.
Parts may not be "production level" either, compared to later builds.
Remember the few 1972 440 Sixpack B Bodies that were made, but weren't supposed to exist!!
Yes, but they rolled down as a 69 R/T, so the only things hand done should have been the conversion parts. All of the major items (motor, brakes, steering, etc) should have been normal line items, no?
Not necessarily.
The first few Charger 500s were probably made at the Clairpointe Pre-Production plant.
Made as a Charger 500, not a converted R/T, like the rest of the production cars.
When Troy gets to removing the interior, I hope he looks for any signs of broken glass from the rear window being broken out to make a 500 from an R/T.
If there ARE glass bits, then it WAS a converted R/T. If not, it was purpose built as a 500.
Pilot cars were known to get most of the correct parts, but not all. :Twocents:
Any C-500 experts out there?
If you are purpose building this why add Hidden light vacuum hoses and cannister when your not installing that type of light system. Either way, the purpose built one for the magazine had a Federal pump on it and the correct Bendix MC, which was going on 68 and 69 stuff anyway. The Training documents for technicians actually talks about some Federal pumps making it on 68 cars. Aren't they making 69 Charger and RT by the time these are being made?
Correct me, but this did not come from the original owner and has been apart at some level, so there is no guarantee what is on it came from the factory correct?
Mr. Dave posted this on my Facebook of a page of the 1969 Car Craft magazine article on the new Charger 500, a manual and auto. Not sure pair this is, but I noticed that one of them apparently didn't have a quality control check prior to release. The car has a steering wheel horn button slated for a Plymouth.. Notice the horn button center.. 😀
About 5 page road test
You've had all weekend to start tearing this car apart and instead of progress pictures, we get pictures of a magazine?
I speak for almost everybody here when I say that we are all sorely disappointed.
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Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 25, 2019, 09:48:54 AM
You've had all weekend to start tearing this car apart and instead of progress pictures, we get pictures of a magazine?
...
I was in Corpus Christi volunteering in an academic challenge for children from throughout the State of Texas and that took priority this weekend and I had some good family bonding.. There is more to life than JUST Mopars I dare say. OH dang !!! Did I just say that? :o
In all seriousness, I have had a very busy March (of which many days incorporated a LONG 2300 mile 2.5 day trip to get the thing). Waiting on Hot Rod to see if they want to do an article on it before I clear all that dust off of it and start rolling my sleeves up and getting my steel-toe boots on.......
But, I have started acquiring NOS and better parts for Operation Charger 500 resto....... So, the time hasn't been wasted... Secured NOS HEMI badges from my Aero buddy Wayne ( thanks Wayne ) !!! Had another offer, but it was a single side... Also securing the original broadcast sheet....... I have a copy thanks to my old ole pal Danny..
Excuses, excuses. ;)
Great to now have the broadcast sheet :2thumbs: . This is one build I can't wait to see pics as you go. :drool5: I can't get to my 500 too well to get some Polara wheel cover pics sorry, need to have a serious garage clear-out first
Quote from: C500 on March 25, 2019, 03:07:59 PM
Great to now have the broadcast sheet :2thumbs: ...
Spoke with Diane today at GTS (Galen's place), had it nice and secure all these years and it will be coming home to mate up with it's original car. Weird to think that part of my car #5 is actuall part of #1, my back seat cushion.. :cheers:
Good day today in terms of Mopar here..
Operation Resto.;
Well, it begins.. Lol
Just got my NOS HEMI badges for the ole C500 today.. Thanks Wayne !!!! Looks good covering those three holes in the door. You can tell they are NOS, the pins fit into the holes of the door perfectly.... :2thumbs:
Put on a grubby pair for the Hot Rod shoot... :coolgleamA:
Any remains of broken glass found in the trunk or rear seat area?
Any sealer around the original rear window?
Just trying to figure out if the car was built as an R/T then converted, or as a 500 from the start, being an early build.
As was pointed out previously, it does have the vacuum lines. But were they added along someplace in the cars life because someone thought
they should be there and were missing?? Heck, the dealer could have added them? (MoPar World - never say never)
Or maybe they didn't have the correct light switch handy?
I was told the Hot Rod article with the 3 500s in the November 1968 issue was shot in June, maybe July of 1968. All about lead times.
Was Creative involved way ahead of production for a few Press cars that early?
Interesting stuff. :2thumbs:
Quote from: odcics2 on March 26, 2019, 08:08:17 AM
Put on a grubby pair for the Hot Rod shoot... :coolgleamA:
Any remains of broken glass found in the trunk or rear seat area?
Any sealer around the original rear window?
Just trying to figure out if the car was built as an R/T then converted, or as a 500 from the start, being an early build.
As was pointed out previously, it does have the vacuum lines. But were they added along someplace in the cars life because someone thought
they should be there and were missing?? Heck, the dealer could have added them? (MoPar World - never say never)
Or maybe they didn't have the correct light switch handy?
I was told the Hot Rod article with the 3 500s in the November 1968 issue was shot in June, maybe July of 1968. All about lead times.
Was Creative involved way ahead of production for a few Press cars that early?
Interesting stuff. :2thumbs:
1. Don't have a grubby pair of Hemi badges just laying around.. Maybe you have a set you can send me? :icon_smile_big:
2. Haven't poked behind the rear seat yet. With the previous owner, the glass could have been vacuumed out. But, will look nonetheless.
3. I have owned 4 C500s and everyone had the vacuum lines installed. 2 the vacuum lines were cut about 2 inches away from the grommet seal in the firewall and this one and another had the lines all the way to the front by/under the battery tray. Based on the HOT ROD magazine article with the picture of the engine compartment, it is clearly seen that the vacuum lines are still in their standard Charger positions along the inner fender panel. There is no reason to think the lines in my car were installed after-the-fact. The vacuum can in my car is still present. Too bad a past owner cut a hole in the firewall grommet so a wire could pass through ( probably for a tachometer ).... Guess I'll have to start looking for one of those unless I have some in a stash in the attic.
Quote from: odcics2 on March 26, 2019, 08:08:17 AM
Just trying to figure out if the car was built as an R/T then converted, or as a 500 from the start, being an early build.
It was purpose-built as a C500 from the start; you can tell that by the designated 925xxx SO number and A11 sales code. From Chrysler's perspective, it was never a Charger R/T, nor were any of the other Charger aero cars... with only one currently-known exception. The Hamtramck-installed Fender Tag remained on C500's/Daytonas through the conversion process and was never replaced - even on the 287970 Reeker Daytona which WAS completely built as a Charger R/T and later converted to a Daytona. That car has a replacement XX29 dash VIN tag, but sports its pre-conversion R/T (XS29) fender tag.
IMHO, finding broken glass wouldn't shed much light on anything other than knowing Creative took a shortcut with that particular car.
:Twocents:
To clarify, being built with a standard backlight and glass, then removed for the fastback install...
Rather than the plug in at Day 1, with a rear glass never installed.
Quote from: hemi68charger on March 26, 2019, 09:01:19 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on March 26, 2019, 08:08:17 AM
Put on a grubby pair for the Hot Rod shoot... :coolgleamA:
Any remains of broken glass found in the trunk or rear seat area?
Any sealer around the original rear window?
Just trying to figure out if the car was built as an R/T then converted, or as a 500 from the start, being an early build.
As was pointed out previously, it does have the vacuum lines. But were they added along someplace in the cars life because someone thought
they should be there and were missing?? Heck, the dealer could have added them? (MoPar World - never say never)
Or maybe they didn't have the correct light switch handy?
I was told the Hot Rod article with the 3 500s in the November 1968 issue was shot in June, maybe July of 1968. All about lead times.
Was Creative involved way ahead of production for a few Press cars that early?
Interesting stuff. :2thumbs:
1. Don't have a grubby pair of Hemi badges just laying around.. Maybe you have a set you can send me? :icon_smile_big:
I'd give you a pair if I had them... :yesnod:
In the case of the Dale Reeker car they switched a 69 rt xs dash vin out for a xx29l9b287970.Would this have happened on the first few test 500s.And when program was over I found car ad for east Cleveland dodge selling research vehicle.Did these 500 s originate from a regular dealer 500 listed car .Or from as the Daytona dodge executive garage supplies cars for conversion
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,76676.0.html
Quote from: odcics2 on March 26, 2019, 11:22:45 AM
To clarify, being built with a standard backlight and glass, then removed for the fastback install...
Rather than the plug in at Day 1, with a rear glass never installed.
To clarify also... :icon_smile_big: While I have an opinion about the likely answer, the
best only way to answer your question is what's on the car itself.
The last time I saw this car in person, it had a tarp / cover over the backlite so I did not get any decent photos of the whole plug or behind the plug from the outside. I only took a few photos of the interior, and none of the backlite area (and I don't recall if the headliner was still in place then or not). I DID snap a few photos of the trunk, and I can tell that the window plug was cut into the existing trunk driprail area post-Hamtramck just like I've observed often on other aerocars, with quite a bit of rust visible on the underside of the area where that backlite plug cut-in was made, as expected. I can also barely make out (due to the flash & shadows) R4 Red on the inner surface of the sail panel area, which mirrors what we would "expect" to see on a normal Creative Industries conversion. There's no reason to expect anything other than evidence that the backlite was installed at Hamtramck and removed by C.I. Personally, I wouldn't focus as much on looking for broken glass as I would the presence or absence of sealant on the original Charger backlite mounting surface. Myself, I expect Troy to find sealant as well as rear window trim clips... but that's certainly not to say he will.
:cheers:
I have owned 4 C500s and everyone had the vacuum lines installed. 2 the vacuum lines were cut about 2 inches away from the grommet seal in the firewall and this one and another had the lines all the way to the front by/under the battery tray. Based on the HOT ROD magazine article with the picture of the engine compartment, it is clearly seen that the vacuum lines are still in their standard Charger positions along the inner fender panel. There is no reason to think the lines in my car were installed after-the-fact. The vacuum can in my car is still present. Too bad a past owner cut a hole in the firewall grommet so a wire could pass through ( probably for a tachometer ).... Guess I'll have to start looking for one of those unless I have some in a stash in the attic.
Troy, which 500 had the vacume lines to the radiator support as thats where mine were cut ?
Quote from: hemigeno on March 26, 2019, 10:17:51 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on March 26, 2019, 08:08:17 AM
Just trying to figure out if the car was built as an R/T then converted, or as a 500 from the start, being an early build.
It was purpose-built as a C500 from the start; you can tell that by the designated 925xxx SO number and A11 sales code. From Chrysler's perspective, it was never a Charger R/T, nor were any of the other Charger aero cars... with only one currently-known exception. The Hamtramck-installed Fender Tag remained on C500's/Daytonas through the conversion process and was never replaced - even on the 287970 Reeker Daytona which WAS completely built as a Charger R/T and later converted to a Daytona. That car has a replacement XX29 dash VIN tag, but sports its pre-conversion R/T (XS29) fender tag.
IMHO, finding broken glass wouldn't shed much light on anything other than knowing Creative took a shortcut with that particular car.
:Twocents:
I guess the definition of purpose build matters. I thought the poster implied a car hand built at Chrysler factory to be the pilto/demo car, vice a RT that was converted (by designated design):-). I understand that they where designated to be C500. From a slightly more modern perspective, it is amazing to me what was wasted building one. Even if some parts recouped from creative. Late 68 and 69 money matters (expense). I would have thought that Chrysler would not want to waste production line parts being installed onto a car, only to have them removed some times with a hammer to convert the car? Why install rear window, why install front light assembly if it would not be needed. Factory worker could distinguish between a Charger, RT, RT/SE and a coronet. Why wasn't it assembled down the line as a C500. Leaving creative to do the body work only?
The other thing that seems interesting is it would make sense to have creative involved early. So I would have thought they would do the pilot cars. But I do not know, just a perspective from a modern time. No way a manufacture of anything would waste that many parts and labor on a production line today. Pay parts and labor to install stuff, then pay labor and loose parts to remove it and install different parts.
I wonder if these cars were already done and in the lot ready to go and someone just picked cars that didn't have a stripe as they were in a hurry to get them done ?
:shruggy:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,41072.0/all.html
68 charger door lock push button more towards the back and later 69 moved up
Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 27, 2019, 12:32:15 PM
68 charger door lock push button more towards the back and later 69 moved up
Isn't that the '68 mule C500? if so, that would explain the door lock buttons..
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on March 27, 2019, 10:07:46 AM
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Troy, which 500 had the vacume lines to the radiator support as thats where mine were cut ?
Al, the current #5 has it this way and my 2nd one if I recall.. Dana, my first one, and the last T5 where cut at the firewall.
:shruggy: XS29J8B360711 69 doors
Congrats on the purchase Troy.
Any mystery holes on firewall
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,22093.75.html
Quote from: nascarxx29 on April 07, 2019, 09:07:55 AM
Any mystery holes on firewall
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,22093.75.html
I see 500 #1 110610 has the mystery hole but the one one the Bud Lindemann video doesn't and mine, #5, doesn't. Will have to look at the other road test articles.
Any under hood shots
https://www.cars-on-line.com/gen3-cars/col1/posting/94306
Cripes Troy, you have landed a Big Fish this time! :2thumbs:
Only mildly jealous as R4 with R4 is too much for my delicate palette lol :nana: :icon_smile_big: ::)
Can you say Hemi, you sure can... :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Looks stunning in the video, especially in Panther Pink lol :slap: :slap: :slap:
Quote from: aerolith on April 09, 2019, 11:21:59 AM
Cripes Troy, you have landed a Big Fish this time! :2thumbs:
Only mildly jealous as R4 with R4 is too much for my delicate palette lol :nana: :icon_smile_big: ::)
Can you say Hemi, you sure can... :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Looks stunning in the video, especially in Panther Pink lol :slap: :slap: :slap:
Thanks...
R4 with R4? It is red with black interior........ This will be my 2nd j-code, but the first aero-J... :-) Having one estimate on the paint and body done soon. The other alternative is up in Iowa, who I totally trust, but man.... That is a long way to "check on the progress" when I live in Houston......
Looks like 2 broadcast sheets will be reunited......... The broadcast sheet of mine (614) was in the rear seat cushion that was put into car (610 = lowest VIN of the 6 originals) at Creative during the conversion and that broadcast sheet in mine was placed in 610. Just got off the phone with the owner of 610 and I will get him connected to the individual who has his. I'll be getting mine this month. very cool stuff...
Hi Troy,
Brain freeze by me, I saw R4 twice DOH!
Two Folks that I know, have moved to Houston recently, one you know very well and one from the 'old country'.
I will sending them round to keep a 'beady-eye' on progress lol...
One knows Mopar like the back of his hand and the other wouldn't know a Mopar, even if they got run over by it!
So we have both ends of the sanity/insanity spectrum covered lol... :smilielol: :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Have you considered F8 or B5 :dance: :patriot: (re-colour), as two red cars in one garage will be hard on the eyeballs... :slap:
Quote from: aerolith on April 10, 2019, 05:56:29 AM
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Two Folks that I know, have moved to Houston recently, one you know very well and one from the 'old country'.
I will sending them round to keep a 'beady-eye' on progress lol...
...
Have you considered F8 or B5 :dance: :patriot: (re-colour), as two red cars in one garage will be hard on the eyeballs... :slap:
Nope.. Both cars will stay their original colors.. After a T7 and T5 500, I'm due for a change in the 500 realm color-wise. Plus, the 500 is sort of iconic in it's history, so I'll keep that. The Daytona? I've gotten used to that color...
I know one of your friends? Dave? Have I met them yet? Where's the 'old country'?
Hi Troy,
Was only teasing you on the colour lol.
No not Dave, a friend from San Fernando Valley and my daughter-in-law from England, (the old country).
Just heard that my neighbours are 'holidaying' in Houston this year too!
Houston the new 'LONDON or Vegas' everyone is going there (well a few Folks :smilielol:) ... :2thumbs:
SMOKEY!!! :drive: :drive: :drive:
Troy, Did you get my e-mail with MC pictures?
Saw on facebook
Another
Think I have found who is going to do my 500. Would love Brian, but man that is a long way from home or Hodges. Will go with a firm here locally that did my friend's Superbird.. So soon things will start a'happenin'.
subscribed :popcrn:
congratulations to the new toy, Troy !
Carsten
Quote from: fc7_plumcrazy on April 24, 2019, 10:27:43 AM
congratulations to the new toy, Troy !
Carsten
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There was a guy Jeff I think outside Austin TX restored a hemi superbird in Taylor TX
Jeff's Resurrections
512-365-5346
Quote from: nascarxx29 on April 24, 2019, 11:40:29 AM
There was a guy Jeff I think outside Austin TX restored a hemi superbird in Taylor TX
Jeff's Resurrections
512-365-5346
I just need someone to do the paint and body... I will do everything else myself at home. Hard thing is getting the car to firms to give estimates, not looking to load up a carcass and drive all over the place to see.. I guess I could call. But, I like being able to visit any time...
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 24, 2019, 12:35:35 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on April 24, 2019, 11:40:29 AM
There was a guy Jeff I think outside Austin TX restored a hemi superbird in Taylor TX
Jeff's Resurrections
512-365-5346
I just need someone to do the paint and body... I will do everything else myself at home. Hard thing is getting the car to firms to give estimates, not looking to load up a carcass and drive all over the place to see.. I guess I could call. But, I like being able to visit any time...
Not that what I say to you makes a hill of beans, BUT Brian would be who I would have do that car, look what happened to your Super Bird deal, whatever it cost to get it to Brian would be MORE than worth it, just my :Twocents:
Advanced collision Hufmann tx Paul done a lot if mopars
Who Is Brian??? :popcrn:
Quote from: cdr on April 24, 2019, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 24, 2019, 12:35:35 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on April 24, 2019, 11:40:29 AM
There was a guy Jeff I think outside Austin TX restored a hemi superbird in Taylor TX
Jeff's Resurrections
512-365-5346
I just need someone to do the paint and body... I will do everything else myself at home. Hard thing is getting the car to firms to give estimates, not looking to load up a carcass and drive all over the place to see.. I guess I could call. But, I like being able to visit any time...
Not that what I say to you makes a hill of beans, BUT Brian would be who I would have do that car, look what happened to your Super Bird deal, whatever it cost to get it to Brian would be MORE than worth it, just my :Twocents:
totally agree do your self a favor and avoid all the head ache you have had with previous builds , take it to brian
Operation original-broadcast-sheet to my 69 Charger 500..
After 50 years being separated from the car it belongs to, the original broadcast sheet is reunited to its car, thanks to Richard, owner of Charger 500 #1 for giving it to Galen Govier to hopefully reunite the sheet with the owner of #5, mine.. That was done many many years ago. The Mopar paths finally crossed. I was able to connect the broadcast sheet of #1, which was found in my 500, to owner #1. Thanks to Galen and Diane for their safeguarding of the document and giving it back to me. Turns out Galen had a gig near me and came over for some dinner with the family and some Mopar chatting, along with my broadcast sheet..
Cool picture of broadcast sheet to 110614, #5 found in 110610, #1.