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Title: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: BigBlockSam on October 12, 2006, 11:21:42 PM
i saw this on ebay. it's got the rear window plug but the grill is wrong. what do you guys think. Rene
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Charger Aficionado on October 12, 2006, 11:31:59 PM
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He did acknowlege the incorrect grille here:
"correct grille comes with car.Car is original 440,Automatic."

Face it.  500 grille was UGLY.  :) 
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: tan top on October 13, 2006, 03:43:20 AM
looks genuine ,  pity the guy did not post a picture of the fender tag
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: hemigeno on October 13, 2006, 07:15:54 AM
From the looks of the engine compartment, it was probably an F8 car originally.  Looks legit though.  :scope:
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: BigBlockSam on October 13, 2006, 10:48:51 AM
sorry i didn't put the link in. i was so tired when i started this thread. what do you guys think it should sell for? 
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: PocketThunder on October 13, 2006, 11:51:50 AM
Nice.  this will give me a very good indication of what my car is worth in ebay dollars..  its basically the same car in about the same condition except i dont have the original 440.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: THE CHARGER PUNK on October 13, 2006, 12:17:51 PM
chu talkin bout aficianado the 500 grille was sweet looking, that cars a mess tho takes years 2 fix that one, u see that patch panel on the lower quarter? OUCH-MATT
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: hemi68charger on October 13, 2006, 01:38:29 PM
Quote from: hemigeno on October 13, 2006, 07:15:54 AM
From the looks of the engine compartment, it was probably an F8 car originally.  Looks legit though.  :scope:

:iagree:

Troy
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Ghoste on October 13, 2006, 03:40:30 PM
I'm with the Punk, the grille is not ugly.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Charger_Fan on October 13, 2006, 06:14:27 PM
A long time ago I thought the grille was ugly, but it's definitely grown on me...probably about the same time I discovered how rare those cars are. :smilielol:
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Charger Aficionado on October 14, 2006, 01:47:24 PM
Quote from: PocketThunder on October 13, 2006, 11:51:50 AMits basically the same car in about the same condition except i dont have the original 440.
NEITHER does he... 

I knew I'd start controversy w/ that comment on the grille, but I prefer the 69 grille over all of them... 

There is rumor about a '69 C500 in Merced Ca by the UHAUL there that was for sale YEARS ago.  The gent I bought my first '69 from went to see it but HATED the grille, and let it pass for $500 bucks.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 14, 2006, 02:18:52 PM
Other then the grille change it looks like a 69 500. It has the typical backwindow
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: BigBlockSam on October 14, 2006, 04:30:48 PM
I discussed it with my wife this morning and  she left it up to me. i think i'm gonna pass on it. i think $25000 is a little to much for that car. lotsa rust, non original motor. if it was $20000 , i would be going to look at the car as we speak. rust is hard to fix correctly. i sure would luv to own a rare car like that one . Rene
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Charger Aficionado on October 14, 2006, 08:43:45 PM
I don't know...  In today's market you may be suprised...  Watch her go for 30k... 
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Just 6T9 CHGR on October 15, 2006, 05:24:14 AM
I asked for the full VIN for the registry & still no reply :rotz:
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: WINGMAN on October 15, 2006, 07:26:25 PM
  I bet 40 K :icon_smile_cool:
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 15, 2006, 07:59:46 PM
Here is another green 69 charger 500 that has come out hiding 

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Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: 69_500 on October 17, 2006, 02:04:57 PM
Man I'm off the board for another 2 weeks and 500's are coming out of the wood work.


I've probably been told about 8 new Charger 500's in the past few weeks in large thanks to the article that they put in the Winged Warriors Newsletter. Talked to an origional owner of a HEMI 500. That was interesting.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: PocketThunder on October 18, 2006, 03:49:57 PM
21 hours left, i would bet there are no more bids on this car besides the sellers friend.... :scratchchin:
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: BigBlockSam on October 18, 2006, 04:20:14 PM
Quote21 hours left, i would bet there are no more bids on this car besides the sellers friend

:yesnod:
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Highbanked Hauler on October 18, 2006, 06:48:33 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on October 17, 2006, 02:04:57 PM
Man I'm off the board for another 2 weeks and 500's are coming out of the wood work.


I've probably been told about 8 new Charger 500's in the past few weeks in large thanks to the article that they put in the Winged Warriors Newsletter. Talked to an origional owner of a HEMI 500. That was interesting.
If you come across a B5 blue 500 SE with a build sheet PM me,  Al
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: 69_500 on October 19, 2006, 01:06:14 PM
I'm still on the look out for that ever elussive B5 blue SE 500 you mentioned AL. Do you still have the broadcast sheet for it? I don't have any vin info for a B5 SE car.

chris did he ever give you any information on the green car as to if it is a real 500 or not? I got a blurry photo of the fender tag. Tough to make out many of the codes, but it is a legit 500 from what I see. Only thing is he blocked off the last 4 digits to the VIN.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 19, 2006, 06:44:00 PM
Wasnt there a B5 blue SE 500 from Canada.My friend has A B5 blue AC car and kept up with how often he seen or knew of another B5 charger 500 This B5 is probably Als

(http://www.larsonpage.com/public/2001/cars/intrepid/c500-a300.JPG)
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Highbanked Hauler on October 19, 2006, 07:49:38 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 19, 2006, 06:44:00 PM
Wasnt there a B5 blue SE 500 from Canada.My friend has A B5 blue AC car and kept up with how often he seen or knew of another B5 charger 500 This B5 is probably Als

http://www.larsonpage.com/public/2001/cars/intrepid/c500-a300.JPG
Nope,not mine.Its got black wheels and a black stripe.  The Canadian SE has a later production number than mine beginning with a (2).The SE build sheet I have begins with something like 163.Ill dig it out after I move which should be soon.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: 69_500 on October 24, 2006, 03:49:46 PM
Hey Al,

If you would when you do dig up the broadcast sheet, then I'd love to know if I could get a copy of it? I've been going over broadcast sheet's that I have and been noticing a few little odds and ends items. I always on the look out for the broadcast sheet for your car as well.

Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 24, 2006, 04:56:23 PM
.Another 69 500 has come to the surface.RM auctions has listed in hemmings a silver 1969 500 of Buddy Arringtons.That car used to live near me it was a Y4 spanish gold AC car.J Benson got it from Francis B of Moultrie GA
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: THE CHARGER PUNK on October 24, 2006, 06:35:18 PM
yes there is a 69500se b5 blue here in canada, in british columbia in fact-MATT
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Ghoste on October 24, 2006, 06:40:06 PM
For what it's worth, the silver 500 at RM didn't sell over the weekend.  The reserve on it was 200,000 and it only bid to 120,000 so it went back to Quebec.  I took a lot of pictures of it including the fender tag just in case that info isn't already known.  It is also sporting a nastly looking (but small) dent at the lower forward edge of the passenger door and down into the rocker panel and rocker moulding.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: BigBlockSam on October 24, 2006, 08:02:56 PM
share some pics with us............Please
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Ghoste on October 25, 2006, 03:37:15 AM
I will.  I won't have them back until the weekend.  I'm still using one of those antiquated 35mm with film and stuff. :icon_smile_wink:
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: 69_500 on October 25, 2006, 09:05:25 AM
Ah come one photo's would be great. I know I'm slow at posting pics too. I still haven't posted any of Monster MOpar weekend, but that computer crashed and I lost all my information on it, so I don't think I'll ever be able to post those pics.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Ghoste on October 26, 2006, 03:32:25 AM
Not to worry, I will post them.  I should have the film back tomorrow.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: 69_500 on October 26, 2006, 07:58:27 AM
I'll keep pestering. :)  :icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 26, 2006, 09:44:28 AM
This 69 500 Troy 68 charger mentioned as a Original H51 a/c '69 C500 auto car that appears red .Reminds me of a guy I knew when I lived in TX .Randy P had found a R6 red AC car in MO city TX.And sold it to this other guy in the area.I have his name and vin somewhere for it


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Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: 69_500 on October 26, 2006, 11:41:40 AM
I don't have very many R6 red 500's period that I've seen. I've seen 2 HEMI's, but other than that I can only think of 1 440 car off the top of my head.

Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Charger_Fan on October 26, 2006, 12:41:14 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 15, 2006, 07:59:46 PM
Here is another green 69 charger 500 that has come out hiding 

Damn! :o
One of those pics is definitely going in the "worst paint jobs" thread. ;D
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Ghoste on October 27, 2006, 02:01:30 PM
Here's one of the door damage.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Ghoste on October 27, 2006, 02:03:53 PM
Here's a closeup.  As I said, it isn't big but it's not pretty.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Ghoste on October 27, 2006, 02:07:44 PM
Buddy's autograph on the hood latch apron.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Charger_Fan on October 27, 2006, 02:53:04 PM
That looks like you're talking about this car then. I still dislike those rims.

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Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Ghoste on October 27, 2006, 03:18:59 PM
Yes, my apologies, I thought everyone knew which car I meant.  I'm with you on the rims btw.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: 69_500 on October 27, 2006, 03:32:02 PM
Still would be one of the great driver 500's out there.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Ghoste on October 27, 2006, 03:56:07 PM
According to the display board he had set up, he drives it frequently.  It currently belongs to Sidney Nemes of Cote Saint Luc, Quebec.  I wouldn't ordinarily post that info but since he had it on the display board, it isn't exactly being kept a secret.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Charger_Fan on October 27, 2006, 04:25:05 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on October 27, 2006, 03:32:02 PM
Still would be one of the great driver 500's out there.
:iagree: I certainly wouldn't kick it out of the garage. ;D
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 27, 2006, 05:30:27 PM
Thats my friends old 69 Y 4 gold AC 69 500 XS29L9B157499
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Ghoste on October 27, 2006, 06:49:37 PM
Your friend wouldn't happen to have any original documentation regarding the car would he?  Danny and I have been going back and forth that the current fender tag is fake and you have just inadvertently helped to confirm that.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 27, 2006, 07:05:57 PM
The car was from Francis Burley of Moultrie Ga .He sold it to J Benson of PA who lived in NJ near me.When Dave Patik from PCG was in my area at a show .I took him to meet the owner and he seen this car.He might have recorded the tag info
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Ghoste on October 27, 2006, 08:45:24 PM
Well, it'd be very interesting to compare it to the tag that's on there now.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: 69_500 on October 29, 2006, 06:04:44 PM
I'm about 99% sure the one you sent the photo of is a fake. That doesn't mean it wasn't copied from an origional by anymeans. Just a few of the things scream NOT REAL>
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Ghoste on October 29, 2006, 08:19:14 PM
Right now Danny, the best I'd be willing to give it is, "based on an original".  There are enough discrepancies to say it's likely a forgery.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: 69_500 on October 29, 2006, 09:44:50 PM
Guess I shouldn't say 99% but thats how I feel. I'm close to adding the .99% to make it almost a definate.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Ghoste on October 30, 2006, 12:26:29 AM
I'm probably 99%.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: 69_500 on October 30, 2006, 05:42:08 PM
I've stared at that photo for hours now. Many of those things just don't add up to me. It just doesn't make any sense unless its a fake tag.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Ghoste on October 31, 2006, 04:58:16 AM
Well, let's put it up here for everyone else to judge.  It isn't like the tag was being hidden from private eyes so there are probably a few pics of it floating around out there now.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 31, 2006, 05:35:43 AM
Like I said all along its a Y4 gold car as indicated by the Y4 seen on the fender tag.Not white or silver.And the H51 code for Air conditioning is there.But if I recall correctly the story in mopar muscle .When this car was on the cover.Said they took 2 69 500s to make this one.You would have to check trunk rail and etc .To see if the actual 157499 numbers are there
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: hemi68charger on October 31, 2006, 09:48:33 AM
How come there's no A11?.....  There should be........ If it's an early production C500, then it should probably have XS as well instead of XX...

Naaaaaaaaa, something gives........ Or, I've missed something..........

Troy
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: hemigeno on October 31, 2006, 10:02:36 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 31, 2006, 09:48:33 AM
How come there's no A11?..... 

:iagree:  I thought the same thing.

It's a repro tag, for certain.  Original tags would have a crease by the left side screw.  As the cars were going down the assembly line, the tag was affixed to the inner fender by the left screw only, and bent upwards so that paint got underneath the tag (to prevent rust).  They later pushed the tag down and installed the second screw, which didn't have any body-color paint on it.  There's always a tell-tale crease from the bending process.

V1X????  Vinyl Top??  Ummmm, I don't think so...

There's also no pitting on that tag.  Look at the inner fender right around there, and you can see pitting everywhere else, so how did the tag remain pristine? 

The Body color (Y4) should also be listed twice, once for body color, and the other for the roof color.

I also don't think R35 was available in B-Body cars - that was a C-body radio IIRC.

It all adds up to a Repro tag...  You guys were right-on in questioning the tag.  That doesn't mean the car isn't a legit 500, but the tag isn't factory original.

:Twocents:
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: 69_500 on October 31, 2006, 04:52:04 PM
Ah come on Gene how did you miss the VON?  ::) Where is the 925.
On the bright side though you guys all said the same things that I had said when Ghoste first emailed me a photo of the tag. The V1X was a total give away, as well as the R35 Radio. The missing A11 i have seen on 1 tag so far. So that I don't guess would be a total give away, however I haven't seen any without the 925xxx for the VON. The other give away to me was the missing XS on the fender tag. Production date is way too early to have XX.
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: hemi68charger on October 31, 2006, 05:13:15 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on October 31, 2006, 04:52:04 PM
Ah come on Gene how did you miss the VON?  ::) Where is the 925.
On the bright side though you guys all said the same things that I had said when Ghoste first emailed me a photo of the tag. The V1X was a total give away, as well as the R35 Radio. The missing A11 i have seen on 1 tag so far. So that I don't guess would be a total give away, however I haven't seen any without the 925xxx for the VON. The other give away to me was the missing XS on the fender tag. Production date is way too early to have XX.

Ahhh, thanks Danny......  More info..........

Troy
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Charger_Fan on October 31, 2006, 05:18:11 PM
I was also thinking that there should be a punch thru or two, like '70 tags have...

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...or am I mistaken?
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: hemigeno on October 31, 2006, 05:50:12 PM
Grant,

The St. Louis plant did the punch-throughs.  Hamtramck often had a small separate tag that had an imprint of the inspector's mark.  They were supposed to sign off on each car before it left the plant, but I've only seen the punch-throughs on St. Louis fender tags.

I'm sure I've got a picture (or maybe someone else has one handy) of that small tag with the inspector's mark somehwere.

Geno
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: Charger_Fan on October 31, 2006, 07:02:02 PM
Quote from: hemigeno on October 31, 2006, 05:50:12 PM
Grant,

The St. Louis plant did the punch-throughs.  Hamtramck often had a small separate tag that had an imprint of the inspector's mark.  They were supposed to sign off on each car before it left the plant, but I've only seen the punch-throughs on St. Louis fender tags.

I'm sure I've got a picture (or maybe someone else has one handy) of that small tag with the inspector's mark somehwere.

Geno
Ah, that makes sense. I wasn't too certain how they did the '69 tags, thanks. :thumbs:
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: nascarxx29 on October 31, 2006, 09:51:44 PM
On my 440 daytona under the left fender tag screw.There is the thin metal strip that says 1G.Ive heard that the strip of metal was longer.And got shorter as the car got random inspected.Leaving this remaining short piece with the inspectors ID remaining
Title: Re: is this a real 1969 charger 500
Post by: 69_500 on November 01, 2006, 06:10:35 PM
Jerry Nerramore's 500 still has a huge portion of the metal tag under the fender tag. His car is the only one that comes to mind for me as having a big piece of that inspection tag left. My sunroof car had about half of the tag remaining.