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Title: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Beep Beep Dave on November 06, 2007, 03:54:53 PM
Just came across it today.
(http://www.spi-performance.com/img/restoration/DaytonaProgress/LOWRES/AR001503.jpg)
What a sweet ride :drool5:

Seems to be undergoing a resto here:
http://www.spi-performance.com/

Look under restorations and click on the Daytona to see the progress!

Dave
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 06, 2007, 04:13:09 PM
They make it awful hard to view those pictures don't they? Or at least I couldn't get the bottom half of the page to enlarge to view the entire photo without scrolling down and up.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: hemi68charger on November 06, 2007, 04:35:28 PM
It'll be nice to see that beauty of a Daytona come together...
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 06, 2007, 04:48:24 PM
Call me odd, but I wish it was still the same as when it left Dave's. I know it wasn't the prettiest, but there was plenty to take in and enjoy the details.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Beep Beep Dave on November 06, 2007, 06:02:02 PM
I agree. Personally I would have got all the mechanicals done, cleaned up the best I could and then drive.
I bet it would get more atttention unrestored than restored.
Dave
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 06, 2007, 06:07:31 PM
Thanks Beep Beep Dave it was for along time untouched as I bought it and I started it up.And left things as they were.Its not untouched now it looks .looking forward to see how it looks when completed.Thanks for the update
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69bronzeT5 on November 06, 2007, 06:17:34 PM
Thanks Dave for the pics. I would of got it running and then drove it as-is....unless the frame rails were rusty then I would restore it. :Twocents:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Moparmatty on November 06, 2007, 06:40:22 PM
And just think for $350k one of us can own it.  They have been advertising the car in the Autotrader up here since they got it.  I emailed to see what they were asking for it when completed and $350K was the answer.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 06, 2007, 06:49:43 PM
No strucural rust just the usual in the trunk and around the backwindow.Most of the rust was from being in less than a carport type garage on the east coast.But it was a untouched 22K mile car.Still retained all factory equipment down to the hoses belts exhaust system spark plug wires etc etc .I changed out the champion J11Ys.And changed the maintence items oil and antifreeze and bypassed the original fuel pump that leaked.With a mini electric one .And nothing much anything else.Thats what the pink fuel pump wire going to fusebox is showing on the interior shot at the resto shop.And the day the buyer came he started it up and drove it up on the trailer
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/121006008.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/100_2961.jpg)
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Beep Beep Dave on November 06, 2007, 06:50:19 PM
$350k WoW
I am glad Dave got good money for the car, it best be the best restored Daytona ever if they hope to get close to that :yesnod: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: 
Thanks for the update Matt!

Hey Dave your welcome!!!

Dave
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: hotrod98 on November 06, 2007, 11:39:15 PM
As soft as the market is now, I doubt they'll get that kind of money for the car. I think it might be a while before the market turns back around. I've seen some pretty good deals on cars lately.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: BigBlockSam on November 07, 2007, 12:11:52 AM
QuoteI agree. Personally I would have got all the mechanicals done, cleaned up the best I could and then drive.

:yesnod: me  too
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 07, 2007, 12:30:15 AM
I offered him 125 k for it
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: pettybird on November 07, 2007, 01:56:54 AM
i would totally rock those scat pack decals on my wing...
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 07, 2007, 08:12:13 AM
Doug those scat pack decals are available from WW member/PCG Dave P who traced those to reproduce when he examined the car in detail he recorded by tracing and photographing many parts of the car and showed me many factory correct details.My original owner told me he got talked into joining the scat pack club.For a newsletter called scat news.You recieve a patch and etc goodies some I still have.He seen a daytona at Kardon motors NJ.And waited for Quaker City dodge to get theirs in. Which all documents show arrived 4-25-70. He stopped using the car as insurance caught up with it not being a regular charger as he led them to believe.He told me intersting tales that he drove that car to Trenton NJ to go see and film races. And was asked you here to race.And got caught speeding with it in some small town.And the cop escorted him directly to the judges house for the fine.His prior mopar car includes a 48-49? town and country conv 60 300 G 77 Imperial 80? Mirada and turbo K car town and country station wagon.He drove the daytona all over NJ  De and Cinn Ohio visiting family. Parked since 1977.Where it was discovered by my longtime car buddy friend Carl who accompanied me there.As we were both hunted down many area cars.And we were led to believe the rumor there was a superbird in a bad part of Camden NJ.Which his job in law enforcement gave him safe access to look out for while on patrol..A area I rarely ventured into.The other superbird that lived one block away was the Don Horrow motors B5 blue 4 speed 6 pack car another guy I later met ended up with.Thats my old cars life story .It will start a new life and history when restoration is complete
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: moparstuart on November 07, 2007, 09:48:30 AM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 07, 2007, 08:12:13 AM
Doug those scat pack decals are available from WW member/PCG Dave P who traced those to reproduce when he examined the car in detail he recorded by tracing and photographing many parts of the car and showed me many factory correct details.My original owner told me he got talked into joining the scat pack club.For a newsletter called scat news.You recieve a patch and etc goodies some I still have.He seen a daytona at Kardon motors NJ.And waited for Quaker City dodge to get theirs in. Which all documents show arrived 4-25-70. He stopped using the car as insurance caught up with it not being a regular charger as he led them to believe.He told me intersting tales that he drove that car to Trenton NJ to go see and film races. And was asked you here to race.And got caught speeding with it in some small town.And the cop escorted him directly to the judges house for the fine.His prior mopar car includes a 48-49? town and country conv 60 300 G 77 Imperial 80? Mirada and turbo K car town and country station wagon.He drove the daytona all over NJ  De and Cinn Ohio visiting family. Parked since 1977.Where it was discovered by my longtime car buddy friend Carl who accompanied me there.As we were both hunted down many area cars.And we were led to believe the rumor there was a superbird in a bad part of Camden NJ.Which his job in law enforcement gave him safe access to look out for while on patrol..A area I rarely ventured into.The other superbird that lived one block away was the Don Horrow motors B5 blue 4 speed 6 pack car another guy I later met ended up with.Thats my old cars life story .It will start a new life and history when restoration is complete
nice story     wish they would have left it alone also
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 07, 2007, 04:51:38 PM
$350K once done? Your kidding right? It had better be the nicest restored Daytona anywhere for that kind of a figure. I doubt it will be though.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Moparmatty on November 07, 2007, 05:25:23 PM
No joke.  That's what they told me.  And just think, that's Canadian bucks too.  You can now add roughly 8% to that figure to get you USD amount.  LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 07, 2007, 05:29:09 PM
What happened to the good old days when $100K Canadian was like $85K US.  :icon_smile_wink:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Moparmatty on November 07, 2007, 05:33:41 PM
Thankfully they are gone for the time being.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Magnumcharger on November 07, 2007, 06:01:37 PM
I'm guessing this was cut out to fit a '70 front lens and housing?
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 07, 2007, 06:08:49 PM
I think the orig owner wanted side markers because the car is a land Yacht!!! I converted my orig makers to LED lighting !!!!but they look stock , not a hack job !!!!!
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 07, 2007, 06:12:35 PM
My original owner had someone install 70 marker lights.To replace reflectors.When a daytona is making a turn.The only lights are behind the nose grill
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 07, 2007, 06:35:53 PM
I dont see a wingcar as a land yacht Heres a yacht I found in my town with creative industries origins.
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/th_DCP_0438.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/DCP_0438.jpg)
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 07, 2007, 08:00:49 PM
I'm all teared up !!!!!!! :icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: hemi68charger on November 07, 2007, 10:10:43 PM
Quote from: daytonalo on November 07, 2007, 08:00:49 PM
I'm all teared up !!!!!!! :icon_smile_big:
You have a sensitive side?  :icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 08, 2007, 09:17:02 AM
That car wasnt worth 350 k when the market was to the moon ! What do you guys Think ? Keep in mind the blue Daytona sold for I think less than that , and that was an super low mile unrestored car
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 08, 2007, 06:03:26 PM
Which blue Daytona are you talking about? The one with the vinyl top?

I think they were asking a bit more than that figure for Elmer's car, but I don't think he got it either, and it was by far a lower mileage car. Less than 400 miles I think total.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 08, 2007, 06:13:13 PM
Vinyl top Daytona ??????????? B-5 , white tail
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 08, 2007, 06:16:47 PM
This one?
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 08, 2007, 06:19:24 PM
Or were you talking about the Bill Card Daytona? Because it was restored.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 08, 2007, 06:42:30 PM
No cupcake , it was just for sale , I think never registered or some crap like that
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 08, 2007, 06:47:13 PM
 :icon_smile_wink:

The one and the same car as mentioned above then. Not the one in the photo, but the other one. I do believe that neither one of them was registered though, the one pictured, and Bill's car.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 14, 2007, 08:39:11 PM
As odd as it was for my old car come to the surface.Today I get a email from the buyer its been over a 1 year and havent heard a thing from.And is looking for additional parts
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 15, 2007, 07:19:24 AM
Yes I said I seen the car on the website Beep Beep Dave showed.And asked to see completed finished pictures for my collection
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 15, 2007, 05:26:46 PM
What pieces was your car missing Dave? Or what are the intending on replacing, that isn't in a repairable state of being?
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: gtx6970 on November 16, 2007, 12:29:48 PM
I shipped a bunch of parts for that car last month
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: SPi on November 21, 2007, 06:56:59 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7160.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7160.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7126.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7126.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_69ChargerDaytona1114.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/69ChargerDaytona1114.jpg)
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 21, 2007, 07:52:30 AM
Do you guy's really think that car will bring 375k ???? 150 k tops !!!!!!
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 21, 2007, 06:30:38 PM
Thanks for updated pictures SPI.Keep them coming Im saving them.Nice to see my old daytona getting its makeover.But I know alot of cars going around after 20+ years are not factory correct untouched all #s matching with owner history and extensive documentation.Its a original R4 Red with white interior/stripe whiteline tires and deluxe hubcap car.Parked in 77 with 22K miles.Cant say what it will command .Looking forward to seeing its completed pictures.And any factory reference pictures taken during disassembly
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 21, 2007, 07:20:35 PM
I woild like to see the pictures of the smashed nosecone
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 21, 2007, 07:33:24 PM
The original nose cone installed by creative and never removed or replaced. If they fix it put a section in etc? .Or replace it with a NOS one a quality metal repo one its their choice .You can still document it had its original.I know of alot of actual wingcars wearing fiberglass ones.Due to the originals were unprotected and very vulernable to damage never rust proofed it recieved thin overspray primer .Usually arent still around after 20+ years in any condition
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/100_2961.jpg)
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 21, 2007, 07:44:07 PM
Too bad you never restored it in the 20 years you owned it !!
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: hotrod98 on November 21, 2007, 07:59:51 PM
Quote from: daytonalo on November 21, 2007, 07:44:07 PM
Too bad you never restored it in the 20 years you owned it !!

Larry, what's worse is that you or I didn't end up with it.  :icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 21, 2007, 08:06:48 PM
You mean whats worse is that I didn't wind up with it.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 21, 2007, 08:15:55 PM
The car was 5 min from house ! I would have never paid that much for it ! OK car , all orig , needed a total redo ! Couldn't see doing a 40 k resto when car is maybe worth 150 in this market !!
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 21, 2007, 08:41:58 PM
Thats the difference between you and me though. i would have paid that much for the car, and I don't care what it would be worth after restored. I honestly don't care if I can't sell my 500 for $50 in 20 years. I didn't buy it for an investment. I bought it because I LOVE THESE CARS. Not that I just like them for now, and in a few years will find something new to like, but that I'll still like the same cars in 50 years. I would have bought it, and let it be for many more years.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 22, 2007, 01:42:40 AM
It sold for a small fortune !!!!!
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: SPi on November 22, 2007, 07:35:08 AM
The nose was repaired, NOT replaced.  It took a lot of time but it turned out beautifully.  I have taken over 1500 pics of this car during the resto.  When I have a bit more time I will post a little story of the resto with detailed pics.  Every effort is being made to keep the car as original as possible.  This car was an awesome example of an original untouched wing car and Dave was great to deal with on the purchase.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: moparstuart on November 22, 2007, 08:02:55 AM
Quote from: 69_500 on November 21, 2007, 08:41:58 PM
Thats the difference between you and me though. i would have paid that much for the car, and I don't care what it would be worth after restored. I honestly don't care if I can't sell my 500 for $50 in 20 years. I didn't buy it for an investment. I bought it because I LOVE THESE CARS. Not that I just like them for now, and in a few years will find something new to like, but that I'll still like the same cars in 50 years. I would have bought it, and let it be for many more years.
i'm with you  :Twocents:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 22, 2007, 08:27:38 AM
How much are you asking  for it ???
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 22, 2007, 09:23:55 AM
Quote from: daytonalo on November 22, 2007, 01:42:40 AM
It sold for a small fortune !!!!!

But yet is the same ball park figure that your thinking you can get for a clone? HMMMMM which one seems WRONG.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 22, 2007, 10:30:43 AM
You cant deny its originality.It had the original fanbelts on it. I lendt out to be duplicated.It had a chrysler issue oil filter white and blue .Not the goldline from assembly.I did have a turn key 4 speed daytona as a loaner.To distract me from messing with mine.Mine was all intact and ran under its own power with original plug wires etc etc.I didnt start life like this Al junkyard daytona and get reborn.And hope to see my cars completed pictures .As seen in the back in the day picture
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/junkyarddaytona.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/scan0003PW.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/daytonabelts.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/1339879-1969_DAYTONA_ORANGE_32.jpg)
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 22, 2007, 03:34:48 PM
The market has changed dramatically in the last year ! On that note I have yet to see a right Daytona clone with operating headlights and just done right
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 23, 2007, 06:10:06 AM
You will also find many original wingcars where the headlights cant stay down for any period of time.And the headlight doors warp and the headlight door gaps are inconsistent.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 23, 2007, 08:46:05 AM
That because DOT mandated that all cars with hidden headlights must have their headlight doors spring loaded to pull them open at all times with vacuum pulling them shut ! You'll see Daytona -Superbird with open doors at a car show because their is a vacuum leak , bad canister or vacuum pod is leaking . Bottom line most owners are clueless about why this happens !As far as headlight doors out of alignment , that is why I redesigned the pivots , orig type most likely was designed by third grader !!! :icon_smile_big:



Larry
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Beep Beep Dave on November 23, 2007, 05:30:59 PM
Quote from: daytonalo on November 23, 2007, 08:46:05 AM
That because DOT mandated that all cars with hidden headlights must have their headlight doors spring loaded to pull them open at all times with vacuum pulling them shut ! You'll see Daytona -Superbird with open doors at a car show because their is a vacuum leak , bad canister or vacuum pod is leaking . Bottom line most owners are clueless about why this happens !As far as headlight doors out of alignment , that is why I redesigned the pivots , orig type most likely was designed by third grader !!! :icon_smile_big:



Larry

Man I would just like to see the estimate for the money if you were ever to build a bridge to get over yourself. Can you imagine the engineering involved? You sir are a piece of work....and then some :hah:

Dave
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Troy on November 23, 2007, 05:55:38 PM
My thoughts exactly. Those third graders did more with a pencil and a slide rule than most people could hope to accomplish in a lifetime. As for the owners, I haven't met one yet that hadn't forgotten more about wing cars than some loudmouths will ever know. Ok, there's that ONE guy but he's the exception. :P I'm just hoping that Larry gets his car done sometime before I'm eligible for Social Security so I can see how things should have been done. If Chrysler took this long to engineer a product they'd have never won a race.

Troy


Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 23, 2007, 05:55:54 PM
Too many big words for you ????
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Beep Beep Dave on November 23, 2007, 07:13:56 PM
Words aren't a problem for me as much as coming across an uncontrolled ego. Like I said you are too much :hah:

BTW just for the record, Dave's old Daytona wasn't worth the asking price but sold,and your well done but unfinished clone is still on the market?
How can that be?

Dave
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 23, 2007, 07:28:40 PM
I don't think Dave's car was overpriced on the market it was placed for sale in. It wasn't as high as other Daytona's at the same time, and yes they were restored pieces, but a car can be restored 100 times but only be origional 1 time.

As far as the third grade engineer comments go. Hmmmm, I think that I've met a few of those engineers and i don't think they would take too kindly to those words. Then again I'm not one of them, but I don't even think its approriate. Then again who am I to comment, I don't have a wing car and I'm not building a clone so my opinion doesn't matter.

As for the comment of wing car owners being clueless as to why their headlight doors don't stay shut, is way off base. There are plenty of wing car owners who know exactly what happens, and why, but choose that its not that big of a deal. Heck you can get the headlight doors back down by simply turning the key and starting the car up, and then shutting it off again.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: wingfan on November 23, 2007, 08:06:11 PM
I guess I missed this but what did it sell for?  It's great that it's being restored but a little sad because now it's forever out of reach of 99% of the wing car enthusiasts.   The selling price will probably be in the $200k's not the $300k's.   To have that much play money wouldn't the buyer need to be a millionaire or close to it?  Likely it'll be sold again and again, each buyer a milionaire of course.   And you just know it'll be locked away and disappear from the roads(but not if I owned it!) 
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 23, 2007, 08:15:32 PM
Oh believe me, even on a yearly salary in the $45K range, I will own one of  the wing cars. Even if they have a $200K price tag.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 24, 2007, 12:24:50 AM
Wingnut , I kept my Daytona ! I sold the small 472 hemi and built a 528 ! Where  is you car ????????
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Beep Beep Dave on November 24, 2007, 12:55:12 AM
Quote from: daytonalo on November 24, 2007, 12:24:50 AM
Wingnut , I kept my Daytona ! I sold the small 472 hemi and built a 528 ! Where  is you car ????????

So I guess you were more proud of it then it was worth :brickwall:
When are you gonna finish that bad boy? Your on the clock...

Dave
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: hemigeno on November 24, 2007, 11:37:39 AM
Quote from: daytonalo on November 24, 2007, 12:24:50 AM
Where  is you car ??

Lighten up, Larry.  This is exactly the kind of snobbish "show me your wing to get my respect - otherwise your opinion doesn't matter" attidude that has absolutely no place on this board. 

Got it??   :smash:




Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 24, 2007, 01:06:50 PM
 :hah:
Quote
Got it??   :smash:
Quote

That was pretty funny.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 24, 2007, 03:26:52 PM
I have thick skin [very ] . No comments ever bother me !! :RantExplode:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: hemigeno on November 24, 2007, 04:02:50 PM
Quote from: daytonalo on November 24, 2007, 03:26:52 PM
I have thick skin [very ] . No comments ever bother me !! :RantExplode:

You really don't "get it" if you think I'm trying to bother you.  However, I am wondering if I'm the one who really doesn't "get it".  I've been hoping that you'd choose to act like a civil human being while participating in this forum.  If my optimism is unfounded, we can straighten that out in a heartbeat.  I wouldn't begin to think or expect a comment from anyone (myself included) would cause any drastic personality change.  You don't have to change who you are to be a part of the group, but I refuse to let you continue berating and/or browbeating others.  Check the abrasive, condescending attitude at the door - it'll be there waiting for you when you leave, since no one else wants it either.

All ya gotta do is admit or continue showing us that you fully intend to keep acting like a  :moon:  and Troy can make sure that you'll have ample time to show other people elsewhere what wonderful insight you have in everything.  It just won't be around here.

Got that? 


Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 24, 2007, 04:16:23 PM
I can't tell if in Gene post if the smiley is hitting his own head or the ground? Looks like its hitting both.  :coolgleamA:

Its a big world, and there is plenty of room for everyones opinions, and thoughts. Plenty of room for everyone to voice their own thoughts as well. It is America, and it does come with the tag of "freedom of speech." However with that statement comes a responsiblity as well. Your free to say what you want, free to do what you want, as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else's right to enjoy the same freedoms. Which is why there are many things that people like, and dislike. People like things for their own reasons, and don't like things for their own reasons. Which is why they are called opinions.

I didn't think this board was intended to be a place where people said things that bothered other people. Its supposed to be a place where people can share in a common enjoyment, and a common liking.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Beep Beep Dave on November 24, 2007, 05:23:28 PM
That was well said 69 500 :2thumbs:
I thought I'd have some fun with the young fella :hah: I think he figures he comes off funny, but to me he is a jerk :icon_smile_blackeye:
And no I don't have a Daytona clone or otherwise, maybe one day ;)
I will have to make due with this:
(http://mapleleafmopars.homestead.com/mycharger2.jpg)

Anyone wanna trade? :shruggy:

Dave
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 24, 2007, 05:53:36 PM
I've got some hotwheels if your interested.  Not much of a fan of the 70's honestly, heck who am I kidding I don't even like the majority of the 69's. I still don't know why you couldn't get a luggage rack on a 69 500 though. I think that you could have modified one and made it work. I mean they went ahead and put a huge clothes line on the back of a Daytona.  :smilielol:

That is a very nice looking 70 though I must say. I do like the stripe package and call me odd but I like Chargers with a luggage rack. The rocker moldings always look good on Chargers too.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 24, 2007, 05:57:29 PM
Quote from: Troy on November 23, 2007, 05:55:38 PM
My thoughts exactly. Those third graders did more with a pencil and a slide rule than most people could hope to accomplish in a lifetime. As for the owners, I haven't met one yet that hadn't forgotten more about wing cars than some loudmouths will ever know. Ok, there's that ONE guy but he's the exception. :P I'm just hoping that Larry gets his car done sometime before I'm eligible for Social Security so I can see how things should have been done. If Chrysler took this long to engineer a product they'd have never won a race.


\Me to would like to see the finished product daytona of Daytonalo in this lifetime.He had head start opportunitys most car builders dont get. And have unlimited access to my real daytona to study dimensions details firsthand .Before a build up.I also introduced him to this site.I guess I should apologize for that
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 24, 2007, 06:02:58 PM
Is the green car up for trades ??
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Beep Beep Dave on November 25, 2007, 01:01:44 AM
Maybe :shruggy:

(http://mapleleafmopars.homestead.com/mycharger6.jpg)

Dave
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on November 25, 2007, 01:12:11 AM
Sorry if I'm not going as fast as the your ability , I have made the tooling for a few parts to help my friends out with their cars as well as trying to pay my Mortgage on my Home ! I just couldn't use hardware store items on my nose , so Now I make Pivots, Headlight adjusters, A-pillar trim , Hinges and other items to make some of our lives easier
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 25, 2007, 12:28:04 PM
Hey Dave is the 70 a 4 speed car or an AT? And is it a 4 bbl car or a 6 pac? Just curious, as there is a gentleman here in Indy who does like the 70's, so I'll pass the word on to him. But I know he will ask questions about it, so figured I'd ask them.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 25, 2007, 02:09:14 PM
I think my hardware store storm cylinder found bracket hollow up the center and alum to cut to length and drill a hole.For a fiberglass headlight pivot bracket to actuator.Was just better then waiting for the fiberglass tab to fail .A retro fit as your introcduction of vacuum GTO parts into the nose.The bracket worked out well inplace of what was there .And the end result was a completed functioning system on a turn key driveable wing car thats on the road
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/wingcarpart.jpg)
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Beep Beep Dave on November 25, 2007, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on November 25, 2007, 12:28:04 PM
Hey Dave is the 70 a 4 speed car or an AT? And is it a 4 bbl car or a 6 pac? Just curious, as there is a gentleman here in Indy who does like the 70's, so I'll pass the word on to him. But I know he will ask questions about it, so figured I'd ask them.

Here's the link for more pics and info on my car:
http://mapleleafmopars.homestead.com/MyMopars-70ChargerRT.html
I'd probably need a half dozen of them to trade for a Wing Car :yesnod:
Its a 440 4bbl dealer demo car, has a fair bit of options and tons of paperwork.

Dave
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 27, 2007, 08:43:10 PM
looking forward to seeing more of SPI resto photos.I have these archive 69 daytona pictures saved on my computer of my old car
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/DCP_0069.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/DCP_0068.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/DCP_0066.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/daytonagarage.jpg)
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 27, 2007, 08:45:33 PM
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/DCP_0023.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/daytonaorig2.jpg)
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on November 28, 2007, 07:50:31 PM
So are they going to put buttons on the other side of the rear seat now, or leave it the way it has always been? Just curious.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on November 28, 2007, 08:34:54 PM
Thats their call I recorded as I found it .car was a 606 Built on a Fri.It had those kind of odd quirks
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: SPi on December 04, 2007, 09:09:38 AM
Here are a few quick pics of our progress so far.  I will update as much as I can until the car is finished.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7256.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7256.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7257.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7257.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7255.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7255.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7259-2.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7259-2.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7261.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7261.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7238.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7238.jpg)
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on December 07, 2007, 10:19:10 AM
Thanks for the updated picures .I added to my collection looking forward to seeing more till completion pictures are available
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: SPi on January 21, 2008, 10:17:18 AM
Here are a few updated pics of the resto guys.  The car is coming along quite well and so far I am pleased with how it is turning out.  I'll try to update more often.  Here you go. Click pics for larger size.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7314.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7314.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7313.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7313.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7311.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7311.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7310.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7310.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7309.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7309.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7307.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7307.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7305.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7305.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/th_HPIM7300.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/drewshifted/HPIM7300.jpg)
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on January 21, 2008, 10:35:58 AM
Very nice work !!! I'm glad to see the car finally has future !!
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on January 21, 2008, 10:38:25 AM
Just curious but what was the problem with the origional washer bottle? I would suggest switching it back to the origional, or getting one that had the lid that opens in the right direction. Just an observation.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: PocketThunder on January 21, 2008, 10:52:22 AM
Gene, the chin spoiler is body color.   :scratchchin:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: hemigeno on January 21, 2008, 11:21:24 AM
Quote from: PocketThunder on January 21, 2008, 10:52:22 AM
Gene, the chin spoiler is body color.   :scratchchin:

White stripe too though...   :scratchchin:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: tan top on January 21, 2008, 01:08:58 PM
looks good , nice work  (SP1).......... :yesnod: ....... :2thumbs:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on January 23, 2008, 07:05:31 PM
 She's looking good  :2thumbs:. http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/Search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=442810
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on January 23, 2008, 07:23:43 PM
350 K , I can see maybe 200 k , a profit of 75 k , but 350 K ??? What do you guys think ??
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: Aero426 on January 23, 2008, 10:51:35 PM
Quote from: daytonalo on January 23, 2008, 07:23:43 PM
350 K , I can see maybe 200 k , a profit of 75 k , but 350 K ??? What do you guys think ??

$300k = Notgonnahappen.com

It will be a very nice car, but a rare color and/or 4-speed is needed to get to the upper end of the price scale.  White interior is certainly a plus.  R4 is pretty common as Daytonas go.

Colin Comer recently had the R6 Mr. Norm car for $265k or thereabouts and it has sold. 
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on January 24, 2008, 12:07:38 AM
I was always warned about crack !! :icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on January 24, 2008, 07:28:48 AM
Its pretty basic as daytonas go body color and transmission.Except for the white interior whiteline tires and full hubcaps.And 1 owner registered since new parked in 1977.With extensive documentation circa pictures timeline etc.Reminds me of that pretty basic superbird that sold on BJ Auction recently for $200K that had the extra crunched nose and bill board of documentation including the ticket
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on January 24, 2008, 07:41:43 AM
This one also had a crunched nose , so maybe it is worth 1 million !!
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: SPi on January 24, 2008, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: daytonalo on January 23, 2008, 07:23:43 PM
350 K , I can see maybe 200 k , a profit of 75 k , but 350 K ??? What do you guys think ??
Where do you get the profit of 75K? :shruggy:

Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: hemigeno on January 24, 2008, 10:36:44 AM
Quote from: SPi on January 24, 2008, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: daytonalo on January 23, 2008, 07:23:43 PM
350 K , I can see maybe 200 k , a profit of 75 k , but 350 K ??? What do you guys think ??
Where do you get the profit of 75K? :shruggy:



That must be some of the "new math" I've heard about.   :rotz:


Don't worry about Larry, he's our resident (choosing my word very carefully) skeptic.  There's one in every crowd   :insertsarcasm:




Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: moparstuart on January 24, 2008, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: SPi on January 24, 2008, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: daytonalo on January 23, 2008, 07:23:43 PM
350 K , I can see maybe 200 k , a profit of 75 k , but 350 K ??? What do you guys think ??
Where do you get the profit of 75K? :shruggy:


he must think restorations are free
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on January 24, 2008, 02:08:20 PM
Ok 50 k on  resto , 25 k profit .That car was all there , not hunting down parts , after it still wears 39 year old plug wires ! I should have bought the thing if I knew I could have made 175 K profit in it after tear down , rust repair , fix crunched nose and paint , oh well I missed out !
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: SPi on January 24, 2008, 02:37:14 PM
Quote from: daytonalo on January 24, 2008, 02:08:20 PM
Ok 50 k on resto , 25 k profit .That car was all there , not hunting down parts , after it still wears 39 year old plug wires ! I should have bought the thing if I knew I could have made 175 K profit in it after tear down , rust repair , fix crunched nose and paint , oh well I missed out !
Daytonalo, you make it sound so easy.  Just curious, what shop does complete nut and bolt resto's on Daytona's for 50k.  Is it your shop?  Sounds like I should have got you to do it for me, you seem to know a lot more about how much work was involved in this car than I do.
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on January 24, 2008, 05:14:05 PM
I would have done it for 50 k plus parts
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: SPi on January 24, 2008, 05:21:28 PM
Where is your shop located?
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: bzabodyn on January 24, 2008, 11:03:26 PM
does anyone know what the Q5 turquoise daytona ended at today on EBay? Last I saw today, it was over $275k... just using that one for a gauge...

BZ
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on January 25, 2008, 12:55:56 AM
I think that car was never titled and virtually no miles
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on January 26, 2008, 03:53:43 PM
Here is the daytona in Nov 11 23 2005.Daytonalo on the left had full access to this car for measurements detail study templates to copy parts etc to aid in his build up daytona clone
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/100_0945.jpg)
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Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: daytonalo on January 26, 2008, 04:30:30 PM
Thank you again !! Without your Knowledge and access to you car I would never have made it to this stage !!

:icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: MsMopar on January 26, 2008, 05:58:11 PM
Hey, I had one of those Hurst 300's once. Cool car. Loved that TNT 440!   :2thumbs:         MsMopar
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on January 26, 2008, 06:08:33 PM
Thanks Vicki that ones just sitts minutes from my house and I like them. They do have a wingcar pedigree the hood and trunk lid provided by creative industries .The guy had it since the 80s it sat so long the rings siezed and has no compression. I ve been there more than once left my number And wants to much for it in that state.So Im leaving my number on a 71 AG RR I found in the area.Nice to see your Hemi 500 getting back together.I know live in same town as AV  MR Hemi
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: MsMopar on January 27, 2008, 10:31:38 AM
Thank you. As far as that 300 goes, that's nothing that a little tranny fluid down the spark plug holes wouldn't fix. How much does the guy want? MsMopar
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on January 31, 2008, 06:32:54 PM
They tried that on that 300 Hurst to no avail.Here is the other car I found nearby with all the parts to go with it
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/DCP_0453.jpg)
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: MsMopar on January 31, 2008, 06:58:38 PM
Did you buy it? MsMopar
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on January 31, 2008, 07:49:58 PM
Left my number and asked to shoot me a number
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: MsMopar on February 02, 2008, 12:03:10 PM
Good luck! MsMopar
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on February 02, 2008, 12:09:25 PM
Parts car complete air grabber hood not much else to get excited over
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: MsMopar on February 03, 2008, 09:36:53 AM
Hey, if the price is right.......My problem is I see every car as a diamond in the rough. I need to be reminded that it takes at least $50,000 to restore on of these Diamonds nowadays.  ::) I need to move on to my RT/SE after the finishing touches on the 500. I really don't want to do another rotisserie restoration but that's what it is going to need to do it right.  :P  MsMopar
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: 69_500 on February 03, 2008, 09:59:54 AM
How close are you to finishing up your 500 then MsMopar? Is it going to be ready to go by show season this year? Or at Talladega in '09?
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: MsMopar on February 03, 2008, 12:49:49 PM
It's together now, just needs detailing. I don't know how far from home I am going to take it. Maybe start out with a few cruz-ins and local shows for now. MsMopar
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on February 29, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
SPI got any recent or near completion.Or completed pictures.To add to my collection
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: SPi on March 04, 2008, 07:54:27 AM
We are putting the interior in this week, and that is all that's left.  I'll update with finished pics soon.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on April 26, 2008, 06:48:20 AM
Been sometime since I last checked up on my old car .But is it finished .Need to add the final chapter
pictures to my collection :drool5:
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on April 29, 2008, 05:49:45 PM
Bump
Title: Re: ***FOUND*** Wingcars old Daytona!
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 02, 2008, 06:28:25 PM
I hope by know shes complete and looking like new .Any updated pictures for me ?