After many years of saving and planning shes almost finished. Getting very excited. Made just north of 900HP on pump fuel. 572 KB hemi. Built by Tim @ FHO.
:o Awesome :cheers: :drool5:
Looks terrific! I am a huge fan of Tim Banning/FHO. I have two of his Hemis in my garage. His work is second to none!
My-Thats a big one. :2thumbs:
Hell yeah, that's awesome :cheers:
Quote from: Ryan on October 25, 2020, 09:25:18 PM
After many years of saving and planning shes almost finished. Getting very excited. Made just north of 900HP on pump fuel. 572 KB hemi. Built by Tim @ FHO.
More HP than a Hellcat engine ??
Either way, sounds crazy dangerous. :icon_smile_big:
Very cool! Congrats!
Very nice! :2thumbs:
Love the adjusters on the alternator and P/S :icon_smile_cool:
Super cool looking mill!
30-60k on a motor for a driver ?
That is sweet. I hope I'm in that position some day. What other modifications are you making to beef up your drivetrain?
Quote from: ACUDANUT on October 29, 2020, 05:07:27 PM
30-60k on a motor for a driver ?
all in about 40K for the longblock including the Holly ECU. Car is a nut and bolt rotisserie build, wouldn't really call it a "driver" however i do plan to drive the piss out of it.
Quote from: chargered on October 29, 2020, 09:30:43 PM
That is sweet. I hope I'm in that position some day. What other modifications are you making to beef up your drivetrain?
built dana 60 , carbon fiber drive shaft, weld in subframe connectors and torque boxes, front chassis stiffening ect....
car has full hotchkis suspension with willwoods on all 4.
sweet :2thumbs: christmas came early this year. just be careful you'll shoot your eye out kid.
$40k for just the motor? That surprises me.
I realize an all-aluminum stroker Hemi can soak up $25k pretty easily. But where's the rest? Did the EFI and all the "little stuff" accessories really rack up $15k?
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on October 31, 2020, 02:18:53 AM
$40k for just the motor? That surprises me.
I realize an all-aluminum stroker Hemi can soak up $25k pretty easily. But where's the rest? Did the EFI and all the "little stuff" accessories really rack up $15k?
I believe now a-days a 572 starts closer to 30k.
All the little things really add up.
EFI was approx 6 grand.
We went with a 60mm roller bearing cam with very high end roller lifters and that also required a Jessel belt drive that was close to another 5 grand
Vacuum pump and custom brackets
Tuning , crating , shipping ect ect. It all adds up.
Expensive yes but I got what I wanted.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on October 31, 2020, 02:18:53 AM
$40k for just the motor? That surprises me.
I realize an all-aluminum stroker Hemi can soak up $25k pretty easily. But where's the rest? Did the EFI and all the "little stuff" accessories really rack up $15k?
$40K is frigg'in
CHEAP for that Engine as equipped !
Especially if you plan on having anyone who actually knows their ASS from a hole in the ground to do it like Tim does !
Heck.... at our shop we were charging $40K CND for
900+ hp Pump Gas all aluminum 572 HEMI builds back in 2012 !
see here;
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,96184.0.html
i agree, 60k was my real thinking.
Quote from: ACUDANUT on October 31, 2020, 11:32:48 AM
i agree, 60k was my real thinking.
Now that I think about it it's probably closer to 48,000 - 50,000. I forgot that I already had the FHO spec stage V heads that I scored off Moparts several years ago.
I guess I'm just out of the loop on modern prices. Inflation is a bitch.
What a beast! Any pictures of the car its going in?
I live about 20 minutes away from Tim
Had the idea myself about doing a Hemi
One day I called him and asked a few questions
Being in Canada I had to pay more because he buys his parts in the US so they just cost a bunch more $$ here
Yes the numbers were really adding up
I have two Chargers now instead of one with a Hemi :2thumbs:
Quote from: Ryan on October 25, 2020, 09:25:18 PM
After many years of saving and planning shes almost finished. Getting very excited. Made just north of 900HP on pump fuel. 572 KB hemi. Built by Tim @ FHO.
Good for you! :thumbs: :thumbs:
:2thumbs:
Any hemi built for 50k is a good deal.
QuoteAny hemi built for 50k is a good deal.
People don't pay $50k for a near/stock street Hemi.
The motor in is thread is a different animal. Comparing it to a stock 426 Hemi is like comparing a NASCAR smallblock to a stock 340.
BTW, have the repro iron Hemi blocks ever become available again? What are people using to build near/stock Hemi clone cars now?
40k for a motor? And some saying 60k? What a waste of money. Are you really going to use 900 HP on local streets/highways? I sure hope not, you'd probably kill someone. Nut and bolt resto? Makes me think you're not going to race it.
smgdh
Good luck on your Charger.
Not a waste of money if that's what you want.
By that logic every one of these cars is a waste of money because we certainly don't need them.
Quote from: INTMD8 on November 03, 2020, 08:01:47 PM
Not a waste of money if that's what you want.
By that logic every one of these cars is a waste of money because we certainly don't need them.
Need and want . A debate we all have to face someday. Either way, our days are numbered. Have fun while it lasts.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on November 03, 2020, 01:00:09 PM
QuoteAny hemi built for 50k is a good deal.
BTW, have the repro iron Hemi blocks ever become available again? What are people using to build near/stock Hemi clone cars now?
Callies is about to or may have just released a stock appearing hemi block casting.
Up until now your choices were slim to none for stock looking unless you could score a used Mopar performance block The prices or those have skyrocketed.
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on October 31, 2020, 05:32:50 PM
What a beast! Any pictures of the car its going in?
Will take some new ones and post. Car is still in pieces.
Quote from: VegasCharger on November 03, 2020, 07:36:58 PM
40k for a motor? And some saying 60k? What a waste of money. Are you really going to use 900 HP on local streets/highways? I sure hope not, you'd probably kill someone. Nut and bolt resto? Makes me think you're not going to race it.
smgdh
Good luck on your Charger.
Hemis are not cheap. A legitimate bone stock through manifolds 426 hemi will easily make over 500 hp at peak and cost you an easy 40k by the time you purchase all of the correct parts. The stock numbers are heavily skewed. A stroker compounds parts and labor prices. Welcome to the real world. Even wedges built "right" dont cost 10 grand like many beleive.
900 hp is serious numbers. My car weighs a touch over 4,000 lbs and im roughly 700 horse and run mid 10s. I can make mine hook on the street but its work. I do it all the time. I would love to have 900 horses on the street. I may actually be competitive with my local street guys at that point.....
QuoteNot a waste of money if that's what you want.
By that logic every one of these cars is a waste of money because we certainly don't need them.
This.
The whole car is a logical waste of money. And plenty of normal people would think a stock 440 motor is stupid/dangerous/excess on the street.
QuoteCallies is about to or may have just released a stock appearing hemi block casting.
I wonder if the new one will weigh 300+ pounds like the earlier iron repros.
If it's your dream, build it. Forget the people who still have out houses to crap in. :cheers:
Quote from: INTMD8 on November 03, 2020, 08:01:47 PM
By that logic every one of these cars is a waste of money because we certainly don't need them.
Exactly. I love this hobby, but it is a curse at the same time.
I have three kids. None are into cars. I'm thankful.
Congrats and good luck! :2thumbs: It your dream! Live it.
I briefly entertained an brainfart the other month to do a Silver Bullet clone when a 67 X showed up locally. Perfect place to drop a Hemi. However my mind wandered into just getting a wrecked Hellcat drivetrain before I shelved the whole idea.
FHO is THE BEST!!
$40 to $60K just for the engine, WOW. :shruggy:
Im SO glad I paid what I did for my car ( somewhere in the middle of those 2 numbers ) running and driving real hemi car with a hemi in it
Quote from: gtx6970 on November 07, 2020, 06:37:04 PM
$40 to $60K just for the engine, WOW. :shruggy:
Im SO glad I paid what I did for my car ( somewhere in the middle of those 2 numbers ) running and driving real hemi car with a hemi in it
Completely different animals my friend.
Top of the line parts cost big bucks now a days. I have friends with high powered modern sports cars that have 150k into cars that were already 100k+ to begin with. Fast reliable cars are expensive.
This was a max endurance no $ spared engine build.
It makes 900hp with no power adder on pump fuel with a streetable cam shaft with parts that will last 10s of thousands of miles. I'd wager that not too many engines have that kind of resume at any price.
Quote from: Ryan on November 07, 2020, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: gtx6970 on November 07, 2020, 06:37:04 PM
$40 to $60K just for the engine, WOW. :shruggy:
Im SO glad I paid what I did for my car ( somewhere in the middle of those 2 numbers ) running and driving real hemi car with a hemi in it
Completely different animals my friend.
Top of the line parts cost big bucks now a days. I have friends with high powered modern sports cars that have 150k into cars that were already 100k+ to begin with. Fast reliable cars are expensive.
This was a max endurance no $ spared engine build.
It makes 900hp with no power adder on pump fuel with a streetable cam shaft with parts that will last 10s of thousands of miles. I'd wager that not too many engines have that kind of resume at any price.
Fair enough.
:cheers:
What is the biggest HP motor you have driven yourself to this point ?
Quote from: BSB67 on November 07, 2020, 06:23:32 AM
Quote from: INTMD8 on November 03, 2020, 08:01:47 PM
By that logic every one of these cars is a waste of money because we certainly don't need them.
Exactly. I love this hobby, but it is a curse at the same time.
I have three kids. None are into cars. I'm thankful.
I wanted kids but it didn't happen. I would have enjoyed having a son that I could pass down my cars and knowledge but would have been really sad if my kid didn't have any interest at all.
Quote from: Kern Dog on November 08, 2020, 05:25:53 AM
Quote from: BSB67 on November 07, 2020, 06:23:32 AM
Quote from: INTMD8 on November 03, 2020, 08:01:47 PM
By that logic every one of these cars is a waste of money because we certainly don't need them.
Exactly. I love this hobby, but it is a curse at the same time.
I have three kids. None are into cars. I'm thankful.
I wanted kids but it didn't happen. I would have enjoyed having a son that I could pass down my cars and knowledge but would have been really sad if my kid didn't have any interest at all.
I'm sorry. They are a gift.
And certainly having a child that likes what you like can be a gift for you. But being a parent and having a family really isn't about you though. Supporting and meeting your kids where they are at is the priority. I'm very happy and proud of my kids. For the things that matter, I think they tuned out perfect. I'm probably a bit biased.
Quote from: 70 sublime on November 08, 2020, 12:26:00 AM
What is the biggest HP motor you have driven yourself to this point ?
naturally aspirated about 800HP in a car that weighed 3,000 lbs
power adder well over 1,000HP , similar weight.
Ryan, can you post up the dyno chart? :drool5:
To the naysayers out there- believe me, these Tim Banning/FHO stroker Hemis are absolute mechanical masterpieces, and are worth EVERY CENT to the people who are in the market for one. I haven't had a single issue with either of mine, after several years of use and plenty of dragstrip runs. Build your car with a proper powerplant and supply it with enough tire, suspension, and driver, and it is a absolute HOOT! I love rowing through the gears in my '67 GTX with A833 4 speed and nearly 800 lb-ft of torque from 3000-6000 rpm. And all of that with phenomenal durability/longevity, as Ryan stated. These engines have incredible headflow to go along with their big displacement; they don't need ridiculous, abusive valvetrain to make their prodigious power. Yeah, kind of a big fan, here. Looking forward to updates on this build! :cheers:
here you go
Quote from: Ryan on November 08, 2020, 04:09:07 PM
here you go
Nice! And horsepower still increasing at the end of the pull. Love it. Thanks!
Ryan,
I am assuming Stage V heads ?
Beautiful engine...have fun!
Cheers,Pat
Quote from: Eldovert on November 09, 2020, 10:44:24 AM
Ryan,
I am assuming Stage V heads ?
Beautiful engine...have fun!
Cheers,Pat
Yes stage v heads.
Looking great - 900 hp is nice for the street use! Enjoy :2thumbs:
I have 572 KB from Tim as well but only 790hp, 71 B-body.
I also have a 572 . Sadly I wasn't willing to spend tim @Fho money so mine is only about 750 hp with edelvrocke heads and dual avs2 carbs. Still really fun though
Very similar power curves, we stayed .641" Intake Lift and .617" Exhaust for the street, we've freshened it once since 2012.... still running strong.
The guy loves his, I think you will love yours, they are a real animal on the street !
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy133/Moparrmp/IMG_0001_zps3cdc1ff0.jpg)
Quote from: PasiR on November 10, 2020, 05:52:46 AM
Looking great - 900 hp is nice for the street use! Enjoy :2thumbs:
I have 572 KB from Tim as well but only 790hp, 71 B-body.
"only" 790 hp on the dyno from FHO is often 830-850+ on some other people's dynos. I wish I had closer options for great engine builders, but alas, it seems like some of the best (Tim/FHO, Challenger340) are all the way in Canada.
Tim is extremely nice person to deal with. When I purchased my engine some 6 years ago I told him 650-700 would be nice, but he surprised me with 790 numbers.
I have purchased a bunch of parts from him for other engines as well, latest buy was a complete iron block 572. That´s a 740hp motor, went to a -71 Cuda.
Quote from: 70 sublime on November 08, 2020, 12:26:00 AM
What is the biggest HP motor you have driven yourself to this point ?
1375 rear wheels. Closest thing to an afterburner ive ever felt.