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 That's what happens when you eat Dogs and Cats and have 3 Billion People living on top of one another.

I thought this is an overblown hoax?

It's 2020.  Nobody else can make China do a damn thing.

Let's face it. They started this, then lied about it for a month.

It's been in the US since January.  Folks walking around with the "flu", not knowing it was "19". (there was no available test for it)

MOST, 80-85%, have little to no symptoms.  MOST that do show signs get well with no issues.

If EVERYONE got tested the death rate number would plummet because actual cases would sky rocket.

How about we have the regular flu death count on the news all day long??
What's next?  Heart attack deaths?  Strokes?   Car wreck deaths??

since they own most of our debt, yeah let's sue them, that'll be swell and cause us no problems

          

QuoteLet's face it. They started this, then lied about it for a month.

China publicly disclosed their first death from it 3 months ago in early January.  There were 8000 known cases worldwide by the end of January.  

It was well understood that the virus would get to North America (and everywhere else) pretty quickly.  This isn't a surprise.    

QuoteIf EVERYONE got tested the death rate number would plummet because actual cases would sky rocket.

South Korea is a small country and they've made a massive effort to test for the virus.  They have drive-thru testing.  That's probably the best place to look for a true death rate.    

This chart was drawn up for the age groups but it also shows the overall difference between CV and the regular flu.  CV is not the Bubonic plague but it's not just another harmless yearly flu either.  It seems to be fatal to roughly 1 out of every 15 people over the age of 70.  
 
Maybe that doesn't seem like a lot.  But we have invaded other countries and spent trillions of dollars over much smaller threats.  

(https://i.insider.com/5e6a7b2584159f1962421227?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

I could care less on whose fault it is right now.  Only thing that is important is to minimize the spread and the death rate of this disease.

That graph is right in line with what we're being told, that the death rate is 10 times higher than the normal flu... :eek2:

I've heard that 95% of our pharmaceuticals are manufactured in China today & at least one Chinese official has threatened to shut off the supply of meds to the US if we don't stop referring this as the Wuhan or Chinese flu (which you'll notice that this has already happened). Some officials in China are actually blaming the US for causing it and infecting the Chinese.

If this isn't a wake up call to get drug manufacturing, along with other manufacturing, back into the US, nothing is.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/coronavirus-china-us-drugs-trump-rubio-china-virus-xinhua-hell-epidemic-a9400811.html

Sue China? In a world suffering from overpopulation we oughta be thanking them.

Quote from: John_Kunkel on March 15, 2020, 03:14:15 PM
Sue China? In a world suffering from overpopulation we oughta be thanking them.

Now that is an atrocious and horribly offensive comment.
Quoted to preserve for others to see in case you have an ounce of concience and try to edit your post.

Quote from: Kern Dog on March 15, 2020, 04:12:21 PM
Now that is an atrocious and horribly offensive comment.

Not much of a realist, huh? Irritating you means my work here is done.

Quote from: John_Kunkel on March 16, 2020, 12:22:10 PM

Quote from: Kern Dog on March 15, 2020, 04:12:21 PM
Now that is an atrocious and horribly offensive comment.

Not much of a realist, huh? Irritating you means my work here is done.

He only found it atrocious and horribly offensive because it didn't read like this:

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Sue China? In a world suffering from overpopulation of them Mexicans and islamists we oughta be thanking them.

Who said I don't like Mexicans?
Most that I have worked with are family guys, Catholics, hard working and humorous people.
Mexicans don't aim to blow people up, screw their goats, rape women and kill anyone that doesn't buy into their ideology.

QuoteIf this isn't a wake up call to get drug manufacturing, along with other manufacturing, back into the US, nothing is.

That would be a nice outcome. Personally, I don't think Americans in general are willing to pay the higher prices for goods made by US wages, nor are the powers that be willing to change anything in the market that would impact their profit margins. After all is said and done it will be back to business as usual.

Quote from: Kern Dog on March 16, 2020, 01:36:57 PM
Who said I don't like Mexicans?
Most that I have worked with are family guys, Catholics, hard working and humorous people.
Mexicans don't aim to blow people up, screw their goats, rape women and kill anyone that doesn't buy into their ideology.

You forgot the men raping little boys in the Muslim world. Been there, seen that.
Their saying go's "Boys are for fun, women are for a future family".

Quote from: John_Kunkel on March 16, 2020, 12:22:10 PM

Quote from: Kern Dog on March 15, 2020, 04:12:21 PM
Now that is an atrocious and horribly offensive comment.

Not much of a realist, huh? Irritating you means my work here is done.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Quote from: ACUDANUT on March 13, 2020, 01:58:13 PM
That's what happens when you eat Dogs and Cats and have 3 Billion People living on top of one another.

well, you have been eating chinesse food made with dog and cats and delivered to your home since loooong time ago LOL.

or even worst! have you ever seen a Chinesse funeral ? maybe we are not eating cats and dogs, ONLY!!! LOL

( j/k ;) )

BTW, do you know the 1918 "Spanish flu" was originated in Kansas ?

Maybe this Corona Virus origin is in some other place in the world! :P

There is a libanese guy I know who says the virus was a jews creation in Israel LOL

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That's what happens when you eat Dogs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8s3Q-O0-Wc

Quote from: John_Kunkel on March 17, 2020, 12:02:11 PM

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That's what happens when you eat Dogs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8s3Q-O0-Wc

And here's the dog market....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V7fyjaFOwQ&feature=emb_title

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 17, 2020, 02:49:50 PM

Quote from: John_Kunkel on March 17, 2020, 12:02:11 PM

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That's what happens when you eat Dogs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8s3Q-O0-Wc

And here's the dog market....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V7fyjaFOwQ&feature=emb_title

Per what I have read that video is not Wuhan market but somewhere in Indonesia. Older video than this crisis

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 15, 2020, 04:26:00 AM
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If this isn't a wake up call to get drug manufacturing, along with other manufacturing, back into the US, nothing is.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/coronavirus-china-us-drugs-trump-rubio-china-virus-xinhua-hell-epidemic-a9400811.html

I   agree.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

That was an interesting scientific read. Thank you JB400

⚠ ⚠ ⚠ Coronavirus Testing Update


The CDC are encouraging everyone to get tested asap!!! The US is taking the coronavirus very seriously. New testing methods are being done without having to leave your house. No hospital visit necessary!

All you have to do is mail a stool sample to:

Nancy Pelosi 1236 Longworth H.O.B.
Washington, DC 20515
phone: (202) 225-4965

Well, looks like we can't sue China after all...

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/on-coronavirus-richard-engel-says-it-s-easy-to-scapegoat-foreigners-80924741665

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 18, 2020, 07:27:01 AM
⚠ ⚠ ⚠ Coronavirus Testing Update


The CDC are encouraging everyone to get tested asap!!! The US is taking the coronavirus very seriously. New testing methods are being done without having to leave your house. No hospital visit necessary!

All you have to do is mail a stool sample to:

Nancy Pelosi 1236 Longworth H.O.B.
Washington, DC 20515
phone: (202) 225-4965

That is some funny shit. Literally

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Quote from: Kern Dog on March 15, 2020, 04:12:21 PM

Quote from: John_Kunkel on March 15, 2020, 03:14:15 PM
Sue China? In a world suffering from overpopulation we oughta be thanking them.

Now that is an atrocious and horribly offensive comment.
Quoted to preserve for others to see in case you have an ounce of concience and try to edit your post.

It is a very disappointing thing when the members of THIS forum don't rise up to condemn a terrible statement like the one that I quoted.
John Kunkel essentially stated that he approves of a virus that kills people.
He either doesn't care that his family could be at risk or he doesn't care about anyone but himself.
Regardless, to see that nobody else has called him out is a very sad thing. Shame on everyone for letting such words slide.

There's enough hate in the world. Why add to it?

Well, I called it. https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-legally-accountable-coronavirus

Quote from: JB400 on March 20, 2020, 11:51:58 PM
There's enough hate in the world. Why add to it?

Fuck that. When someone spouts something so vile and hateful, they need to be called out on it.

Quote from: Kern Dog on March 21, 2020, 12:29:53 AM

Quote from: JB400 on March 20, 2020, 11:51:58 PM
There's enough hate in the world. Why add to it?

Fuck that. When someone spouts something so vile and hateful, they need to be called out on it.

And the hate spreads just like the virus.

Tolerating an injustice is far worse.
Say a rapist is in the neighborhood and your daughter walks by his house. Would it be HATE to protect your daughter from the criminal?
Your ideology is bleeding heart until it is YOU that is the victim.

They're just a person till they act, then they're criminals. I'd expect my daughter to take the same precautions with everybody, not just a select few :yesnod:

Quote from: JB400 on March 21, 2020, 01:33:39 AM
They're just a person till they act, then they're criminals. I'd expect my daughter to take the same precautions with everybody, not just a select few :yesnod:

You are making no sense.
No wonder you were banned from FBBO.

Quote from: Kern Dog on March 21, 2020, 01:55:54 AM

Quote from: JB400 on March 21, 2020, 01:33:39 AM
They're just a person till they act, then they're criminals. I'd expect my daughter to take the same precautions with everybody, not just a select few :yesnod:

You are making no sense.
No wonder you were banned from FBBO.

.I'm not playing that game.

Quote from: Kern Dog on March 21, 2020, 01:10:06 AM
Tolerating an injustice is far worse.
Say a rapist is in the neighborhood and your daughter walks by his house. Would it be HATE to protect your daughter from the criminal?
Your ideology is bleeding heart until it is YOU that is the victim.

Valid also for the Covid! Don't you think?

LOL

You're painting with the "Once a ....., always a .....," brush.  I'm willing to forgive and forget, just don't do it again.

QuoteIt is a very disappointing thing when the members of THIS forum don't rise up to condemn a terrible statement like the one that I quoted.
John Kunkel essentially stated that he approves of a virus that kills people.
He either doesn't care that his family could be at risk or he doesn't care about anyone but himself.
Regardless, to see that nobody else has called him out is a very sad thing. Shame on everyone for letting such words slide.

I don't think anyone is ashamed for not pissing their lives away moderating the squabbling of idiots trolls.

Quote from: Kern Dog on March 20, 2020, 10:59:08 PM
It is a very disappointing thing when the members of THIS forum don't rise up to condemn a terrible statement like the one that I quoted.
John Kunkel essentially stated that he approves of a virus that kills people.

"Approves" is your word. The key word is "reality". I merely recognize the reality that pandemics serve a useful purpose in reducing the population which has outpaced the ability of the world to support.

If I, or my family, falls victim to it, so be it. Shit happens.

The reason the members of this forum haven't joined your condemnation of me is most likely because they're not as uptight/anal retentive as you are. Take a Valium and relax.

Quote from: Kern Dog on March 21, 2020, 01:55:54 AM

Quote from: JB400 on March 21, 2020, 01:33:39 AM
They're just a person till they act, then they're criminals. I'd expect my daughter to take the same precautions with everybody, not just a select few :yesnod:

You are making no sense.
No wonder you were banned from FBBO.

He was an idiot on FBBO, you can't expect him to be any thing less here KD.

Quote from: ironbuilt on March 21, 2020, 02:48:24 PM

Quote from: Kern Dog on March 21, 2020, 01:55:54 AM

Quote from: JB400 on March 21, 2020, 01:33:39 AM
They're just a person till they act, then they're criminals. I'd expect my daughter to take the same precautions with everybody, not just a select few :yesnod:

You are making no sense.
No wonder you were banned from FBBO.

He was an idiot on FBBO, you can't expect him to be any thing less here KD.

You're spreading rumors with no merit, now that I have thought about it.

just saw this thread. I'm on board with KD on they comment.  It goes without saying that we shouldn't wish people die.  I read it as sarcastic and it was sold as to get a reaction.

that it did. 

It looks like Corona Virus has taken a life of its own here.  I know it is on everyone's mind and a source of anxiety about who is doing the right thing and who is responsible.  Early on I had someone visiting work whose wife lost her grandmother to it (in China).  I did the math and figured if it hit broadly, I might know someone personally who died and didn't think that would be a good thing.  I just found out someone I worked with a little over two weeks ago appears to have it. We are keeping to ourselves. It will be good if after all of this it is not widespread and contained (or a dud).  Don't like learning that the govt intelligence on its potential has been around  for a few months and at that time it was decided it would be a non issue, or at least telling the public it was a non issue.  But what else is new.

Frankly, I would prefer we just stuck to cars in our discussion, and didn't let this divide us.  I know it is all on our minds but... :Twocents:

     
Harvey Weinstein (in prison) has the virus now.  That fails to sadden me. 
     

Interesting.   I wonder if he will get a ventilator?

Clinton's must have had it brought in...  :icon_smile_big:

NO point in actively wishing malice upon anyone else in the world ? and I would suggest a poor use of mental capacity if anyone does  :Twocents:

Quote from: Challenger340 on March 23, 2020, 04:51:45 PM
NO point in actively wishing malice upon anyone else in the world ? and I would suggest a poor use of mental capacity if anyone does  :Twocents:

I don't wish anyone dead (currently) but I do wish for discomfort of difficulty in the lives of a few people that have hurt others.

Quote from: Kern Dog on March 23, 2020, 06:10:33 PM

Quote from: Challenger340 on March 23, 2020, 04:51:45 PM
NO point in actively wishing malice upon anyone else in the world ? and I would suggest a poor use of mental capacity if anyone does  :Twocents:

I don't wish anyone dead (currently) but I do wish for discomfort of difficulty in the lives of a few people that have hurt others.

Are you telling me that is why it itches in the crack beside my little toe?

Ahhh.....
Who the heck have you ever hurt?  :nana:
I'm talking about Molesters, Bernie Madoff types, drunk drivers, drug dealers, the real shitty people.

....and, from what I'm scarcely believing I just heard in the News from the mouth of your mentally retarded leader you might want to add Trump to the list...quote " America (the most successful country in the world) (lol...but I'll let that one go) is not a nation you can lockdown and I want the US fully open for business by Easter" REALLY? does he not look beyond his own garden. We are on full lockdown here since yesterday and I can't go to work (or even leave my house for anything other that essentials or a medical emergency until at least May 1st....and yet we still have hundreds (soon to be 1000s dead). If you are stupid enough to let him do that he will be personally responsible for the deaths of thousands it not 10s of thousands of Americans. You need to stop him now. Or you could make China or Italy ook like a minor event. Stop him people.....I'm living this..it's not pleasant! Can he not see what's happening around the globe....it really is frightening...and should be more so for you guys. Good luck.

You used to be a decent guy but your incessant insults are beyond worn out. I'd insult your leader but who the fuck knows or cares what fucking homo runs your shithole.
Pay attention to your own country and the fuck with what you think of ours.

And that's the attitude that's going to kill thousands of you.......as of today your have the second fastest spread rate of the virus in the World...wake up and smell the coffee....

For the record I have no problem with the US or it's people at all and would love to visit.....it's your leader I take issue with.....as does probably 90% of the world so I'm far from alone...it's not a personal attack on you...so why respond as such?

...and of course it's a free country do your are free to think whatever you want about the UK and Boris Johnson.....just as I am about the US...but I don't defend the PM for glaring fuck ups and bad decisions or comments even if I voted for him...which I did.
Talking of facts, with five (known) kids with several different women...I highly doubt he's a homo!
Be safe, stay away from crowds..and at least 6 feet from other people, wash your hands as often as practical.....especially if your are over 70 or have any underlying heath problems......and you will PROBABLY be ok.

Your bullshit insults don't help.
Again, outside of politics I used to think that you were a reasonable guy but you have gone full retard. I don't want to paint things with such a broad brush but a large percentage of those blabbing against DJT are emotional, irrational and ignorant.
You are included in that group.
I have said the same thing that many have said....The "cure" the media is pushing seems to be far more devastating than the disease.
Time and time again Trump has said something the media deems as outrageous....Months pass by and he is found to be correct. Does the media step up and admit that they had it wrong?
No, they rarely ever do.
Imagine for a moment that a leader that you respect has to fight 90% of the media, half the Congress and about half the populace on every move. The media gives Liberal politicians a built in advantage to act with almost total impunity but a Republican or a Conservative has to wade through a sea of obstacles to get anything done.

 :popcrn:

I think there could be between 2 Million to 3.5 Million COVID-19 Cases in the U.S. by Easter... and the numbers of sick may indeed still climbing at that time.
meaning,
any plans to re-open the economy could be a moot point ?

Time stamp:
Today is March 24th, 54,000 Cases, and the President of the United States is on record today, stating he would like to if at all possible "re-open" the U.S. Economy by Easter, April 12th, because "the cure may be worse than the disease"

No Wars wanted....
* just one opinion... mine
and
* some statements of fact for historical reference.

I just looked on the World Health organization at the data and what they had listed for yesterday put the US ahead by 50% in new cases over the next country (we are a big country) and 4th in the list of new deaths.  Also looked at Fox news which said thousands of ventilators were headed to NY, but also read that more than that were being held back and the NYC mayor was pleading for them now. Said he would deliver them to the next place that needed them, but the admin won't release them and apparently said he had is chance to buy ventilators in 2015. I don't understand the disconnect. Seems like people got to breath and if it isn't a big deal, then why not send them.

I wonder if it is a matter of having properly functioning units. It could be worse to have a load of faulty and inferior counterfeit units...Having parts break off inside people or collapse, taking matters from bad to worse.
How many people carry two spare tires or a spare engine in their car?
We prepare for likely scenarios, not one in a billion situations like these. You can say that we were caught off guard but who would have thought to spend billions to stock up on medical devices that in all likelihood, we'd never need?
I still think that this is a gross exaggeration for us here. Except for the cities, we are not packed in tight like those in Europe or China.

Quote from: Kern Dog on March 24, 2020, 08:15:10 PM
I wonder if it is a matter of having properly functioning units. It could be worse to have a load of faulty and inferior counterfeit units...Having parts break off inside people or collapse, taking matters from bad to worse.
How many people carry two spare tires or a spare engine in their car?
We prepare for likely scenarios, not one in a billion situations like these. You can say that we were caught off guard but who would have thought to spend billions to stock up on medical devices that in all likelihood, we'd never need?
I still think that this is a gross exaggeration for us here. Except for the cities, we are not packed in tight like those in Europe or China.

I read that New York has 7,000 Ventilators I think ?
But that N.Y. Health Officials have told the Governor NY will need 30,000 Ventilators within 2 weeks... so the Governor of New York is asking the Federal Government to release the 20,000 Ventilator's from reserve stockpiles ?
Just say'in...
the way I read it the 20,000 extra Federal Ventilators are already there doing nothing..... but IMO, the Feds are probably reluctant to commit them ALL AT ONCE strictly to New York ?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/gov-cuomo-says-new-york-needs-ventilators-now-help-from-gm-ford-does-us-no-good.html  

Did New York Vote Rep or Dem ?
just say'in....

Quote from: Challenger340 on March 24, 2020, 08:28:06 PM


Did New York Vote Rep or Dem ?
just say'in....

Interesting point. It was one that I have thought about when the trend here was to move toward single payer (government) run health care.
What if as part of a determination of your eligibility for treatment was IF you were registered as a Democrat?  What if Independents and other NON Democrats were ignored or delayed ?

  I worked for the V.H.A. in logistics and can tell you it's hard enough to keep the system full of normal necessary supplies and devices when you have a bunch of people who get LIFETIME FREE HEALTHCARE and are VERY WEALTHY squeezing your budget. Just like now they are having pissing contests, why? They have no skin in the game.  You can't stockpile medical, it gets outdated and requires new certification or it's expired and trashed. I'm still seeing people who don't understand and are going to get sick out of ignorance. (I don't let any get near me, this isn't a game.) 

KD, don't take opinions like insults. alfaitalia is not insulting anybody, just giving his opinion about your president attitude not your attitude, or USA situation about the virus. Not even the internal political issues. And his opinion is shared by 70-80% of the world and he is sharing that point of view like I did on the now gone thread. Many of you maybe are not able to see yourself ( or your leader ) from a 3rd person point of view and we are leaning to you on this. Yeap, as I mentioned USA is not the world just part of it. Trust me you are beginning to look like a blinded Chavez follower in Venezuela where his leader was so perfect that he could be eating shit and still will be good for him because his president said USA is the guilty of that situation there. So he blames USA and not Chavez just because Chavez said it!

And not, I'm not insulting you either! is just what it looks from the distance. I think you are a great guy, but just need to open a bit your mind ;)

Personally I don't think any president in the world ( not even Trump for USA situation about this ) is responsable of this situation in your own country. The virus is actually faster and more "invisible" than expected in a world where comunications and transportation is also fast, but the leaders attitude is what could be the wrong on this since the first instance. A humble attitude can hold mistakes by the ppl better than a superb attitude

As b5blue said, there is no way to be prepaired for this anywhere in the world no matter how great you are, for many reasons. But the attitude of ppl and goverment must be according with the situation. You can't get 10K or 20K beds hospitals or 10K ICU ready for this because nobody was able to economically support that in a regular situation. You ( same as EU ) so far so good can get at least how to support the situation, better or worst, but I'm thinking the rest of the world where mostly sure numbers are not being realistic. That could make not dissappear the virus for a loooooong time ( if ever ), so since USA, EU and even China are in the same world, could be fighting with this larger than we think.

I don't trust Russians stats either.... and actually I don't trust part of the Germany stats either about their deaths.

We can blame China for this the same we can blame USA for the "Spanish Flu" what killed supposedly 30 million of ppl as far I recall. But is not the case and that won't help. Shit happens! Just that.

    
Viruses don't have nationalities.  

There is no point blaming anybody for this mess.  Not unless it gets tracked back to a govt germ warfare lab or something.  

China has so many people (4x the population of the USA) that it makes probabilities a lot higher for many things.  

As for unsanitary conditions & habits in parts of China . . . again, I don't think we should be pointing too many fingers.  There's about 2 million people the USA that don't even have clean safe water in their homes.  Many of them are in the great lakes region which is the biggest wad of cheap clean water on the planet.  That's like if poor Saudi Arabians were getting sick because they didn't have enough gasoline.    

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on March 25, 2020, 05:13:55 AM
KD, don't take opinions like insults.

As if..... ::)

Quote from: Kern Dog on March 24, 2020, 09:57:30 PM
Interesting point. It was one that I have thought about when the trend here was to move toward single payer (government) run health care.
What if as part of a determination of your eligibility for treatment was IF you were registered as a Democrat?  What if Independents and other NON Democrats were ignored or delayed ?

The key thing about single payer is that it should be for all.  I view health being connected to the declaration of independence statement 'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness'. By the way, I am enjoying the questions that you (KD) are bringing up.  I think they are direct and make good points.  I prefer it to the 'take no prisoners' approach and 'its humor no one can understand'.  I am worried about Covid-19 because the statistics make it likely that I will more people who die.  I already know some and I have also known at least one person who died of the flu.  Right now we need to work for the common good of people in america and in the world. I'm trying to do my part with stemming a quick spread and also hoping I don't come down with it.  From a probabilistic standpoint it is more likely someone would spread it to would die than me.  I don't think that is something I really want to think about, especially if the hospitals become overwhelmed.  The way I look at it is if we can spread out the time it takes (I don't get the impression we diminish the numbers) the hospitals are less likely to be overwhelmed and more likely to save people who can be saved.  
 

My view is that this is a huge exaggeration.
I agree that it is a serious thing for the people involved but I am not the type to panic. I get worried about things but in general, I am not a negative thinking person. I see this as an instance of extreme over-reach. Maybe I have the luxury of not worrying because the protocols are working? Hard to tell, people. Slowing the engines of the USA is a disastrous move too.
Alfa used to be a guy I liked to read from here. Once he started insulting the President, he immediately alienated me. Why not take a better approach and just say you don't like the decisions, you don't agree with the policies or simply don't like the person ? Why do the critics have to resort to insults? It has the instant result of making it look personal and petty.
Oh, I know about petty but when I stoop to that level, I do it intentionally.
Is that the actual motive for guys like Alfa and Ponch? Just trying to stir the pot? You will never get anyone to see your point when you set out to piss them off.

It is called the China Virus and its YUGE!

KD is 100% on this.

Many of those things were because the country was set up to succeed and many are things that are bad.  Wait to see how history treats him.  :Twocents: :Twocents: slippery slope of politics...we should be sticking with cars.  

Quote from: mel t on March 25, 2020, 06:26:27 PM
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More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
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New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
Median household income has hit the highest level ever recorded.
African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
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Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Women's unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
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Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
The Pledge to America's Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
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Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After-tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back into the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
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Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
Record number of regulations eliminated.
Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached an all-time high.
The United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
Canceled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
The process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by the Supreme Court.
Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
Imposed tariffs on China in response to China's forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.

The most Succesful US president of all time and folks have too much (racist) hate to see it.

When did FOX Propaganda....'err   sry  'News" register in here ?

We're gonna get this thread LOCKED by being too political ?

Fixed.
But you know I am right. "can't deny success."

Quote from: mel t on March 25, 2020, 08:21:51 PM
Fixed.
But you know I am right. "can't deny success."

WOW !
Just WOW !

uhhh... NO....  
I could categorically deny everything you posted.... ANYONE could if they wanted to research the Truth ? But this is NOT a Political forum nor to discuss Politics ?

Putin is winning... he's got some people convinced that a Nitwit is some kind of messiah ?
Do you know what "propaganda" is ?  divide and conquer ?

Quote from: mel t on March 25, 2020, 08:21:51 PM
Fixed.
But you know I am right. "can't deny success."

:2thumbs:

Okay, Sir, Thank you, and have a good evening.

QuoteMy view is that this is a huge exaggeration.
I agree that it is a serious thing for the people involved but I am not the type to panic. I get worried about things but in general, I am not a negative thinking person. I see this as an instance of extreme over-reach. Maybe I have the luxury of not worrying because the protocols are working? Hard to tell, people. Slowing the engines of the USA is a disastrous move too.

"The protocols are working"?

How on earth would we even know?  This virus has been in the USA for two months and we still aren't even doing adequate testing.

I personally know of two people in the NYC area who had clear virus symptoms and still couldn't get tested 1-2 weeks ago.  They were calling around trying to find somewhere to do it.


The first case of the virus in the USA was late January.   That's two months ago.  If things get really bad in the next few months, just remember that the Federal authorities did nothing* until it became a stock market problem.  They are still not treating this like a disease problem even now, or they wouldn't be floating these criminally negligent ideas of getting people back out in public gatherings for Easter.      
     
 
* The Federal govt's response to the virus would have been the same from January until mid-March if there was no acting president/vice/etc at all.  That's what it looks like when an executive branch does nothing.

Quote from: mel t on March 25, 2020, 10:19:10 PM
Okay, Sir, Thank you, and have a good evening.

No....  Thank You Sir.

opinions may vary,
but economies decimated by incompetence.... will vary opinions.

"Can't deny failure"

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on March 26, 2020, 12:01:48 AM


How on earth would we even know?  This virus has been in the USA for two months and we still aren't even doing adequate testing.

I personally know of two people in the NYC area who had clear virus symptoms and still couldn't get tested 1-2 weeks ago.  They were calling around trying to find somewhere to do it.

What's the big deal with a shortage of tests? If you can still smell your own farts, then you're ok.

If you live in the country or in an open and wide neighborhood this could seem exagerated for you, but living in cities with high density population, is not. Everything will depends, as usual, about the personal POV and experience you are living from. And there you have the hability or not to be empathic with the diff lifestyles and be open minded you are not the only POV o lifestyle. Not everybody is able to freely choose his lifestyle and personal situation.

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 26, 2020, 03:30:00 AM

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on March 26, 2020, 12:01:48 AM


How on earth would we even know?  This virus has been in the USA for two months and we still aren't even doing adequate testing.

I personally know of two people in the NYC area who had clear virus symptoms and still couldn't get tested 1-2 weeks ago.  They were calling around trying to find somewhere to do it.

I must be doing fine then!  :lol:



What's the big deal with a shortage of tests? If you can still smell your own farts, then you're ok.

Damn! USA is now with more cases than China! raised faster than China and the rest of the countries

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on March 26, 2020, 06:06:27 PM
Damn! USA is now with more cases than China! raised faster than China and the rest of the countries

That is, if you can trust China's numbers.

Yeah, no kidding.
Also, this is a relative number. If a country does NO testing, they will technically have NO reported cases.

This gets to me because it seems to be the strategy in the US.  refuse the test kits from WHO, then say we want to use the US test, then say ok we can test and our great people will develop them - people who we have been shitting on.  Then say there are too many to test, so only test if it is important.  And yes, I know at least one person who has all the symptoms was told by several informed doctors he likely had it, but that he wouldn't be tested unless it got bad enough to be admitted to ER.  That effectively drops the US statistics.  And even with that we succeeded in passing all other countries to be #1. Apologies for the Rant.  Sometimes stupid arguments get to me.  :cheers:

   2 things come into play, A: How many in China had it and or died without being labeled correctly and B: In China they kill you for not obeying and here many are compelled to not obey just on principal regardless of intent.
Example:  The crowded unemployment lines and offices are spreading C19 while they don't work so as not to spread C19?   :lol:  

Rant on. Pretty bad that we waited so long to ramp up for an obvious issue headed our way.  No just the Fed but even the multinational corporations.  I work for a large one and was talking with China, India, and Europe colleagues through out. The Euopean ones are already on week 2 of working from home.  We are just starting. Glad the individual state governors started reacting when they did at least.  Anyone ever hear where the 500,000 test kits flown in from Italy ended up? 

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on March 26, 2020, 06:40:20 PM

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on March 26, 2020, 06:06:27 PM
Damn! USA is now with more cases than China! raised faster than China and the rest of the countries

That is, if you can trust China's numbers.

Yes is true, but still raised up faster than Italy and Spain. We are agree USA gets more ppl too, but also more spreaded around, except maybe on big cities. Dunno the stats by State thought

AHHHH! AHHHH! The Boogey Virus is going to KILL us! It's all the orange Man's fault—Boogey, Boogey, Boogey!

Due to the Boogey Virus, Every TX9 Charger will be confiscated! All owners of said Chargers WILL forward titles of vehicles to MelT@tx9.com

It's all orange man's fault!

   

http://patriotretort.com/golly-i-wonder-why-new-york-city-is-the-epicenter/





Back in early February, Governor Cuomo said. "My message to New Yorkers is: take this coronavirus seriously, take proper precautions, stay informed, but also feel confident that our Health Department and this administration are prepared and ready."

I'm from Denmark.
It's been more than two weeks now, since the Prime Minister shut the country down.
All government employed, in non essential positions have been sent home. Those with the ability to work from home, are expected to do so.
All in the private sector, are urged to work from home, as much as possible.
All public gatherings exceeding 10 persons is illegal, resulting in fines if caught.
All social venues, bars, restaurants, clubs, sportsarenas, stadiums etc. has been shut down.
Our borders are closed. Schools and places of higher education are closed.
We currently have 55 deaths, out of a population of 6.000.000.
The daily number of deaths sadly seems to be accelerating, like it seems to be in several countrys across Europe. Italy have been seeing 700-900 deaths pr. day for a while now, luckily we seem to have gotten better out in front of the situation here in Denmark.

I hope you're all staying as safe as possible through this.

Good luck to you and yours!  :2thumbs:

There's no sugar coating anything .... being slow to react has, is, and will cost lives.

It's not "orange man bad" ?
nor
is it boogey virus ?

Because between the NSA, CIA, FBI and a couple others including The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)...
POTUS can ASK....  and be told damn near the most probable correct answer with a high degree of confidence on just about any question....
even...
what the f**k China's Communist President Xi JinPing had for Lunch last Tuesday ? and with whom he had it  ? let be maybe even the color of the terd he dumped later ?

Yet ...
Somehow American's are miraculously to believe "nobody knew a thing".... including the American Intelligence/Defense Community..... about an outbreak of one the most severe pandemic's in human history unfolding back in late December in WUHAN CHINA ?

Here are the timelines we would have to believe Nobody... including the U.S. Intelligence community knew nothing...
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-pandemic-timeline-history-major-events-2020-3

Quote from: Marck on March 27, 2020, 03:05:35 PM
I'm from Denmark.
It's been more than two weeks now, since the Prime Minister shut the country down.
All government employed, in non essential positions have been sent home. Those with the ability to work from home, are expected to do so.
All in the private sector, are urged to work from home, as much as possible.
All public gatherings exceeding 10 persons is illegal, resulting in fines if caught.
All social venues, bars, restaurants, clubs, sportsarenas, stadiums etc. has been shut down.
Our borders are closed. Schools and places of higher education are closed.
We currently have 55 deaths, out of a population of 6.000.000.
The daily number of deaths sadly seems to be accelerating, like it seems to be in several countrys across Europe. Italy have been seeing 700-900 deaths pr. day for a while now, luckily we seem to have gotten better out in front of the situation here in Denmark.

I hope you're all staying as safe as possible through this.

Pretty much the same restrictions as us...we are up to about 800 deaths in total...but in Italy 915 died today alone.....I feel that the USs lack of action (having seen what happened elsewhere) will very shortly make these numbers look like chicken feed....according to the BBC news tonight you already have over 100,000 cases there and well over 1500 fatalities...and in a much shorter time than other countries......be safe people.

   

QuotePretty much the same restrictions as us...we are up to about 800 deaths in total...but in Italy 915 died today alone.....I feel that the USs lack of action (having seen what happened elsewhere) will very shortly make these numbers look like chicken feed....according to the BBC news tonight you already have over 100,000 cases there and well over 1500 fatalities...and in a much shorter time than other countries......be safe people.

Only 1 in 500 Americans have been tested so far.  We have no idea how big the outbreak is here.   

The best indicator is how many hospital beds are being occupied (compared to normal).  That indicator is useful until the hospitals in a given area are full.  After that it's back to guesswork. 


The last time I checked, we were only testing the living patients.  People who die from the virus before they get tested will probably not be included in the 'official' death totals.  That has a small effect right now but it may become a huge distortion in the near future, especially as hospitals get full and more people are dying at home.   

I'm not holding my breath waiting for US authorities to fix this oversight.  They will probably take any excuse to downplay the true death toll.  IMO the only decent statistic will be to compare the total US deaths in 2020 to other years.

     

Well, It's official ISIS is claiming responsibility.

  We have had near misses plenty in the past you can recall Zika, Swine, HIV, and many more. What about Typhoid and Mary's deal, on and on. You don't really think any political person is to "blame" do you? I've read and watched plenty of info over the last 20 years about all of this. The knuckleheads in DC can't be looked to for help, they are bickering morons not scientists. Sadly some will die before they get their check from a week lost stuffing pork into 2T bill just past.  :rotz:

All the folks here that are of "advanced knowledge" take it easy and be safe.
And for God's sake—please stop yelling at people in the grocery store.

Mel out.

Quote from: mel t on March 27, 2020, 10:41:00 PM
All the folks here that are of "advanced knowledge" take it easy and be safe.
And for God's sake—please stop yelling at people in the grocery store.

Mel out.

I'm of the opinion Mel ?
that it didn't require any "advanced knowledge" to watch most newscasts of what was happening in Wuhan China around in early January ? and the first case in Washington Jan 20th ?, which by then was a catastrophy unfolding in China....  to realize there could be a potentially HUGE problem starting in the U.S. as well ?
just say'in....
if most numb-nutz sitting in front of the boob-tube like us could figure it out ?
WTF was the U.S. Intelligence Community telling POTUS ?

"Oh gee willackers Boss, just a flu goin around China... nuth'in to worry about ?"     Seems kind of unlikely don't it ? Because even the CDC was scream'in like hell by January 20th !

Can't trust the Chinese at all..............




Stacks of Urns in Wuhan Prompt New Questions of Virus's Toll
Bloomberg News
March 27, 2020, 1:06 AM EDT

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Photos of thousands of ash urns circulate on social media

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China's public has questioned the accuracy of government tally







The long lines and stacks of ash urns greeting family members of the dead at funeral homes in Wuhan are spurring questions about the true scale of coronavirus casualties at the epicenter of the outbreak, renewing pressure on a Chinese government struggling to control its containment narrative.

The families of those who succumbed to the virus in the central Chinese city, where the disease first emerged in December, were allowed to pick up their cremated ashes at eight local funeral homes starting this week. As they did, photos circulated on Chinese social media of thousands of urns being ferried in.



Outside one funeral home, trucks shipped in about 2,500 urns on both Wednesday and Thursday, according to Chinese media outlet Caixin. Another picture published by Caixin showed 3,500 urns stacked on the ground inside. It's unclear how many of the urns had been filled.

People who answered the phone at six of the eight funeral homes in Wuhan said they either did not have data on how many urns were waiting to be collected, or were not authorized to disclose the numbers. Calls were not answered at the other two.

Some families said they had been forced to wait for several hours to pick up the ashes. The photos circulated as mass deaths from the virus spiked in cities across the west, including Milan, Madrid and New York, where hospitals were erecting tents to handle the overflow as global infections soar past 500,000, with 24,000 dead.



According to Chinese government figures, 2,535 people in Wuhan have died of the virus. The announcement that a lockdown in place since January would be lifted came after China said its tally of new cases had hit zero and stepped up diplomatic outreach to other countries hard hit by the virus, sending some of them medical supplies.

But some in China have been skeptical of the accuracy of the official tally, particularly given Wuhan's overwhelmed medical system, authorities' attempts to cover up the outbreak in its initial stages, and multiple revisions to the way official cases are counted. Residents on social media have demanded disciplinary action against top Wuhan officials.

China's Hidden Symptom-Free Virus Cases Means Epidemic Not Over

Many people who died had Covid-19 symptoms, but weren't tested and excluded from the official case tally, Caixin said. There were also patients who died of other diseases due to a lack of proper treatment when hospitals were overwhelmed dealing with those who had the coronavirus.

There were 56,007 cremations in Wuhan in the fourth quarter of 2019, according to data from the city's civil affairs agency. The number of cremations was 1,583 higher than those in the fourth quarter of 2018 and 2,231 higher than the fourth quarter of 2017.

Mourning Restrictions
The families of the deceased may not be able to say a proper goodbye to their loved ones just yet. Wuhan's government issued a statement on Thursday prohibiting individuals in the city from tomb-sweeping activities until April 30, meaning they would not be able to observe the traditional April 4 Ching Ming Festival, or tomb sweeping holiday. Other provinces including Guangxi and Zhejiang have also announced similar restrictions.

Two locals in Wuhan who have lost family members to the virus said online that they were informed they had to be accompanied by their employers or officials from neighborhood committees when picking up the urns, likely as a measure against public gatherings.

"I was told by district government to wait until further notice on when I can pick up my father's ashes," one Wuhan resident using the name "Xue Zai Shou Zhong," meaning "snow in hand," posted on Weibo. "There is a staggered arrangement for urn collecting."

Another Weibo user using the handle Adagier said she lost her husband to the coronavirus and had since been contacted by police warning her not to be too emotional -- and to stop posting online.

"I have only one demand," she wrote. "I want to give my husband a proper burial as soon as possible."

— With assistance by Sharon Chen, Dandan Li, and Claire Che

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on March 27, 2020, 09:31:31 PM


The last time I checked, we were only testing the living patients.  People who die from the virus before they get tested will probably not be included in the 'official' death totals.  That has a small effect right now but it may become a huge distortion in the near future, especially as hospitals get full and more people are dying at home.   

Something similar is happening in Germany and France where in fact the deaths count is just coming from those happening into hospitals! That is simply wrong and doesn't help on the war against the virus.

Spain and Italy are otherwise considering ALL deaths...hospitals,  home and those who are suspicious of CoVid19 by the symptoms but not tested in life are on authopsy tested and included on numbers if they did. So numbers in Spain and Itally are way closer to reality. Althought still not enough ppl being tested. So even with around 8% of contagious in Spain ends on deaths ( considering the high life rate expectations and all ancianty centers we have which were unfortunately contagioused ), maybe the % could be lower if we have the chance to test more ppl, considering some ppl what thinks they get a regular flu with light symptoms are actually CoVid19 contagious. But absolute numbers on the deaths are real at this moment.

In fact the first death in Spain was found a month later, it was in feb 3 or so, 2 and a half weeks before the first contagious was detected by a test! And admited by the goverment it died with Covid-19. Of course the Sanity authorities here analized the symptoms of those deaths before the first case in life detected to try to track the focuses before expand as much as posible and isolate as far was posible. But it was a bit late anyway.

Myturbineisdirty, Not need for Urn's. Ammo can's work just fine.

I tend to agree that China's figures have not been accurately quoted....you only have to look at Italy..... a country with a tiny fraction of the population of china (slightly less than the UK too).....but way more deaths....hmmm.
Last night our Prime Minister Boris Johnson was confirmed with the virus....along our Heath Minister (oh the irony!).

You are now the first country to exceed 100,000 cases and you have lost over 1700 citizens....in a very short time....not good. Unless you do something big and now your death rate is going to be huge Im afraid.

QuoteCan't trust the Chinese at all..............

Yep, you knew this one was coming.  It's predictable that a lot of govts will be trying to downplay the death totals.  China has a better shot at controlling the story than the USA does.  And the Chinese govt has never been into that whole 'free press' thing.

Quoteyou only have to look at Italy..... a country with a tiny fraction of the population of china (slightly less than the UK too).....but way more deaths....hmmm

Italy is particularly bad situation. They have an older population, lots of smokers, and they do more kissing & hugging & contact than average.  They got a lot of tourism from China over the winter.  And their healthcare system got slammed so hard that it went past the tipping point.  The death rate started ramping up just because of the lack of medical care.  

QuoteYou are now the first country to exceed 100,000 cases and you have lost over 1700 citizens....in a very short time....not good. Unless you do something big and now your death rate is going to be huge Im afraid.

Don't worry, they are fixing the problem.  The biggest few dozen corporations are getting trillions of dollars in handouts.  Both of our political parties can still work together when it's something important.  

30 more days of lockdown.  :flame:

Quote from: ACUDANUT on March 31, 2020, 07:32:56 PM
30 more days of lockdown.  :flame:

Depending where you are in the country it could even be longer :o

 Makes me wish I had a dozen clean hookers, drugs and booze.  It would past nicely.   :2thumbs:
If not, at least I had fun.

Some of the whiny fags on this site wouldn't understand the above post at all...or even see it as humor for that matter.  :nana:

        

QuoteMakes me wish I had a dozen clean hookers, drugs and booze.  It would past nicely.   2thumbs
If not, at least I had fun.

My friend and I were joking about that yesterday.  Whorehouses could probably make a killing if they started offering home delivery and virus-tested girls.    

 Yeah, some people......
There is no room on this site for a Gay Rebel Flag....I don't know why our bosses/web monitors allow him here, and his hate for America.

  

QuoteYeah, some people......
There is no room on this site for a Gay Rebel Flag....I don't know why our bosses/web monitors allow him here, and his hate for America.

Is that a request for a "safe space"?     ::)


He's just trolling with that avatar.  No need to get 'triggered' over it.  Lighten up.  

Quote from: ACUDANUT on March 31, 2020, 08:51:09 PM
Makes me wish I had a dozen clean hookers, drugs and booze.  It would past nicely.   :2thumbs:
If not, at least I had fun.

As you wish..............


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQZdL_uV-GQ&feature=emb_logo

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on April 01, 2020, 02:07:51 AM
 

QuoteYeah, some people......
There is no room on this site for a Gay Rebel Flag....I don't know why our bosses/web monitors allow him here, and his hate for America.

Is that a request for a "safe space"?     ::)


He's just trolling with that avatar.  No need to get 'triggered' over it.  Lighten up.  

Trolling or coming out?   :shruggy:

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 01, 2020, 03:38:07 AM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on March 31, 2020, 08:51:09 PM
Makes me wish I had a dozen clean hookers, drugs and booze.  It would past nicely.   :2thumbs:
If not, at least I had fun.

As you wish..............


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQZdL_uV-GQ&feature=emb_logo

Dam! Really? LOL

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on March 31, 2020, 11:32:02 PM
       

QuoteMakes me wish I had a dozen clean hookers, drugs and booze.  It would past nicely.   2thumbs
If not, at least I had fun.

My friend and I were joking about that yesterday.  Whorehouses could probably make a killing if they started offering home delivery and virus-tested girls.     

Well it seems it could be done!


Anyway, that makes no sense on a lockdown. Being serious, virus can be still spreaded out even with delivery services, anykind of service. Even postal services, maybe slower but still.

The only detail is Postal/parcel services, food delivery and stuff like that can handle the "social distance" deal yet. Not the "whore service" thought LOL.

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 01, 2020, 12:37:11 AM
Yeah, some people......
There is no room on this site for a Gay Rebel Flag....I don't know why our bosses/web monitors allow him here, and his hate for America.

I think we can call it democracy? I guess everbody should get to get calm down the speech tone at certain point of some discussions. He is not the only one who becomes "agressive" on some of the replies.

I have my ideas but for example never try to attack anybody here, but some others do. And not just talking about "political" topics but also car related, where some replies get to be quite offensive.

;)

Quote from: Challenger340 on March 31, 2020, 07:39:08 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on March 31, 2020, 07:32:56 PM
30 more days of lockdown.  :flame:

Depending where you are in the country it could even be longer :o

And so far so good is the only way to keep somehow protected by the moments. By the spring of 1919 the "spanish" flu was gone, just like that! No medicines or anything, just that and lockdown was the only solution. After of course maybe kill 30 millions of ppl ( estimated ). I don't think will reach those numbers ever at this day, because medicine is way far ahead now than on 1914-19 to treat and safe some of the patientes could die if we were on 1918, but still the numbers are being high and increasing faster than many other we live with and share day after day ( call it cancer, heartattacks, AIDS, etc... )

Influenza killed you in 12-24 hours if you were going to die. 600,000 in 2 years for USA. Back then we knew nothing about virus.

Influenza got a vaccine

  
Q.  How would you know how many people died from AIDS if most people couldn't get tested for it (alive or dead)?  

A.  You couldn't know.


Same thing with Coronavirus.  Thousands of people are dying from respiratory infection symptoms and they won't end up in any official death tolls.  Thousands of people will have a heavy case of this 'flu' and get better, and never show up in the official infection totals.    

We don't have enough testing supplies and our politicians (like most countries) have major incentives to low-ball the truth about the disaster.  There's no payoff for guessing too high and there are heavy consequences the higher the number sounds.  They will guess it WAY low.  



When the smoke clears from this whole mess (a couple years) we can take a guess.  We can compare the TOTAL deaths in each country during the early/mid months of 2020 to other years.  Then we can try to figure out the other extenuating factors, and piece together some estimations for the virus itself.  That's about it. 

   

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 01, 2020, 03:41:44 AM

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on April 01, 2020, 02:07:51 AM
 

QuoteYeah, some people......
There is no room on this site for a Gay Rebel Flag....I don't know why our bosses/web monitors allow him here, and his hate for America.

Is that a request for a "safe space"?     ::)


He's just trolling with that avatar.  No need to get 'triggered' over it.  Lighten up.  

Trolling or coming out?   :shruggy:

Pick the one that offends you the most, and go with it.

Quote from: Ponch ® on April 01, 2020, 03:32:03 PM

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 01, 2020, 03:41:44 AM

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on April 01, 2020, 02:07:51 AM
 

QuoteYeah, some people......
There is no room on this site for a Gay Rebel Flag....I don't know why our bosses/web monitors allow him here, and his hate for America.

Is that a request for a "safe space"?     ::)


He's just trolling with that avatar.  No need to get 'triggered' over it.  Lighten up.  

Trolling or coming out?   :shruggy:

Pick the one that offends you the most, and go with it.

What makes you think that I'd be offended if you're a troll, gay or a gay troll?   :shruggy:

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on April 01, 2020, 12:27:24 PM
Influenza got a vaccine

No not so. It quickly killed all it could and ran out of victims from natural immunity developed from exposure. This will also eventually. Example: Aged over 60 with no complications have better than 95% recovery rate.

  
A 95% recovery rate isn't very rosy, not for such a large group.  It's losing 1 in 20.  

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 01, 2020, 03:38:07 AM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on March 31, 2020, 08:51:09 PM
Makes me wish I had a dozen clean hookers, drugs and booze.  It would past nicely.   :2thumbs:
If not, at least I had fun.

As you wish..............


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQZdL_uV-GQ&feature=emb_logo

I don't want the food. I wants the BOOB'S and some pink sauce. lol

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on April 01, 2020, 07:45:18 PM
 
A 95% recovery rate isn't very rosy, not for such a large group.  It's losing 1 in 20.  

Should be hearing more on this very soon....
but apparently peak anti-bodies to this Virus are reached +4-6 weeks after infection... but Chinese researchers working on Plasma based therapies taken from those who've already recovered as now seeing mysterious REDUCTIONS in Anti-Body levels +10-12 weeks ?
Meaning.... this may indicate a lack of "herd immunity" for later re-infection with this Virus ?
Forget mutations...
Chinese researchers are now saying....  just because you've had it once ? doesn't necessarily mean you are immune in 6-9 months from re-infection, albeit, with less effects ?

Quote from: Challenger340 on April 01, 2020, 10:20:22 PM

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on April 01, 2020, 07:45:18 PM
 
A 95% recovery rate isn't very rosy, not for such a large group.  It's losing 1 in 20.  

Should be hearing more on this very soon....
but apparently peak anti-bodies to this Virus are reached +4-6 weeks after infection... but Chinese researchers working on Plasma based therapies taken from those who've already recovered as now seeing mysterious REDUCTIONS in Anti-Body levels +10-12 weeks ?
Meaning.... this may indicate a lack of "herd immunity" for later re-infection with this Virus ?
Forget mutations...
Chinese researchers are now saying....  just because you've had it once ? doesn't necessarily mean you are immune in 6-9 months from re-infection, albeit, with less effects ?

I think what this "situation" is proving is that you just can't trust anything the ChiComs say at all.


https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

A few Russians claiming it was us also.

Nope ISIS already claimed responsibility.  :smilielol:

I just wish I could trust the information we get from our own people.   :Twocents:

 :lol:

Or tell your 'ole lady to spread 'em. lol

Quote from: ACUDANUT on March 13, 2020, 01:58:13 PM
That's what happens when you eat Dogs and Cats and have 3 Billion People living on top of one another.

What is the difference in eating cows, sheep, goats and chickens in the western world?

Quote from: Back N Black on April 04, 2020, 08:01:01 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on March 13, 2020, 01:58:13 PM
That's what happens when you eat Dogs and Cats and have 3 Billion People living on top of one another.

What is the difference in eating cows, sheep, goats and chickens in the western world?

In the US, we walk the dog. In China, they wok the dog.

Quote from: Back N Black on April 04, 2020, 08:01:01 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on March 13, 2020, 01:58:13 PM
That's what happens when you eat Dogs and Cats and have 3 Billion People living on top of one another.

What is the difference in eating cows, sheep, goats and chickens in the western world?

I'd say just the sanity reglamentations to be processed, but at the end they are all animals.

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on April 05, 2020, 05:26:08 AM

Quote from: Back N Black on April 04, 2020, 08:01:01 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on March 13, 2020, 01:58:13 PM
That's what happens when you eat Dogs and Cats and have 3 Billion People living on top of one another.

What is the difference in eating cows, sheep, goats and chickens in the western world?

I'd say just the sanity reglamentations to be processed, but at the end they are all animals.

Says the guy from a Socialist country !
What is a reglamentation ??

Quote from: Kern Dog on April 05, 2020, 01:09:49 PM

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on April 05, 2020, 05:26:08 AM

Quote from: Back N Black on April 04, 2020, 08:01:01 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on March 13, 2020, 01:58:13 PM
That's what happens when you eat Dogs and Cats and have 3 Billion People living on top of one another.

What is the difference in eating cows, sheep, goats and chickens in the western world?

I'd say just the sanity reglamentations to be processed, but at the end they are all animals.

Says the guy from a Socialist country !
What is a reglamentation ??

Can you stop blaming me about the country I was born? Dunno what's the idea with that at least on this specific topic. Do you know I am a victim of the dictatorship there? So what's the deal on that?

Sorry I wanted to mean regulation. Dunno what was thinking when I told that using that word. Maybe was just waking up.

There is no diff between eat one or another animal ( morality talking ) aside the way how is processed. Cows, bulls, lambs, sheeps, chickens all can get diseases, but the ones you eat are treated correctly since they born because become into a regulated indutry.

I'm not saying is correct or not, or if you can like or not. Not even if I like or not.

Native americans ( yes, natives, the real ones before Columbus, not the whities like you an me ) and I say ALL America, not just USA or North America ( which BTW includes Mexico ) eated anything available around. That was before cows and horses and chickens arrived.

In France one of their delicatesses is frog legs.

In several places of Spain same as in France we eat snails. You can find them even in cans!

In Brazil and Venezuelan praires, turtles and iguanas are part of the menu.

In Colombia ants are a snack!

Dunno if you would eat a seal like in north or south poles areas ppl could eat, because that's what they got.

And won't tell about all the marine animals you can eat and maybe you don't even know! Which BTW are delicious!

Unfortunately some of the seas animals can get diseases too due the human contamination ( oh! Another problem which is not real ). Even a regular fish... doesn't need to be someone weird!

It happens the same with vegetables! Some are part of the diet on some areas in the world that you don't even know. And some are dangerous too! Even can get intoxicated by a badly treated vegetable you regulary eat.

Btw, oranges, rice and pasta comes from Asia! Yes that is food what you also eat!

So what?

And whats the deal between this and a political party or idea?

Touchy, touchy....
It is a common joke here....In America your dog eats as good as you, In Venezuela (Or name any other Socialist country) You EAT your dog.
For our culture here, dogs are NOT livestock. Neither are cats, rodents or most birds.

Quote from: Kern Dog on April 05, 2020, 04:00:41 PM
Touchy, touchy....
It is a common joke here....In America your dog eats as good as you, In Venezuela (Or name any other Socialist country) You EAT your dog.
For our culture here, dogs are NOT livestock. Neither are cats, rodents or most birds.

As a life long-practitioner of cunnilingus, I would never criticize what anybody eats.  :icon_smile_big:

Quote from: Kern Dog on April 05, 2020, 04:00:41 PM
Touchy, touchy....
It is a common joke here....In America your dog eats as good as you, In Venezuela (Or name any other Socialist country) You EAT your dog.
For our culture here, dogs are NOT livestock. Neither are cats, rodents or most birds.

Just for your culture:
1-Venezuela is America
2-in Venezuela dogs are not food either, but it happened recently because there was no food so was found homeless and not so homeless )  began to eat dogs. And hunt piggeons too.

I'd like to see you in the middle of nowhere with any of the food you usually get around in the market to see if you would not eat anything available being hungry.

Once again, what's the deal with the "socialism" and the kind of food around the world? In India the cows are sacred animals and they don't eat it... so what? Respect other ppl cultures like they do with the rest of the world.

I don't like the idea of eating dogs and cats, or bats or whatever, but if they like is their problem! As mentioned they are animals like any other.

What would you think if they begin to critict you eating a turkey on a thanksgiving meal? I bet you won't like that.

The only critic here is the health of the process

( on a note appart, when I was saying sanity, wanted to mean health, sanitary... )

Chinese Markets Reopen — And They Still Sell Bats, Dogs And Cats


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https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/29/chinese-markets-reopen-bats-dogs-cats/?fbclid=IwAR0I8DoaN3iXOONAdsVkdpvrC1Gbx30Q2vzQK-rFgfNb_tR8dzyK-6-Qg1Y#disqus_thread



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Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 05, 2020, 05:00:02 PM
:2thumbs:

        
We laugh at them for eating the wrong animals.  

They laugh at us for spending 20% of our GDP on (mediocre) healthcare.  


I'm not sure who is crazier.  

One of the most impressive things I have seen is the exit from a bat colony at dusk.  They are strange critters.  Never eaten one, but wonder whether it would taste good. Doesn't bother me that someone else eats them any more than someone eating a chicken or a cow or a deer or a squirrel.  China has a huge country that is rivals ours and they look to be on a path to surpass us.  I can understand that you have hatred for another race, but it is actually a type of fear. How many times have you been there?  I rode one of their trains and it was better than what we have.  It is a place that has been changing very fast and even though they have some crazy outdated environmentally unfriendly practices, they are improving each time I visit. 

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 05, 2020, 05:10:13 AM

Quote from: Back N Black on April 04, 2020, 08:01:01 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on March 13, 2020, 01:58:13 PM
That's what happens when you eat Dogs and Cats and have 3 Billion People living on top of one another.

What is the difference in eating cows, sheep, goats and chickens in the western world?

In the US, we walk the dog. In China, they wok the dog.

That's funny, but you can walk them and wok them for supper.

 Funny the whole thing started from Bat Stew.
Dogs and Cats are carnivores. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Some people will agree with this clip:


How did the Coronavirus spread all over the world?

The Coronavirus traveled all over the world from Wuhan, but did not arrive in Beijing or Shanghai ... can anyone explain that?
In China the Chinese stock market didn't collapse, but the US and European markets did ... and when those markets collapsed, the Chinese bought big.
All roads lead back to China ..

1. They made a virus for which they already had an antidote.
2. They intentionally spread the virus for financial gain.
3. There is a clear demonstration of efficiency... they have built hospitals within days. They had to be prepared with the organized projects ... with the ordering of the equipment,
the hiring of workers, the water and sewage network, the prefabricated building materials and the storage in an impressive volume, it all happened very quickly.
4. They caused chaos in the world, starting with Europe and then the rest of the Western world.
5. They rapidly decimated the economies of dozens of countries.
6. They stopped production and production lines in factories and primary production in tens of countries.
7. They caused the stock markets to collapse and then bought shares, bonds and companies at bargain prices.
8. Then they quickly took control of the epidemic in their country.
9. During all of this, they managed to lower the price of commodities, including the oil price.
10. Now they are going back to mass production while the rest of the world has stopped production.
Also note how quickly Chinese unions took action to 'hoard' busload purchases in regional shopping centers across Australia, stripping our shelves of toilet paper and staple food.
It happened before most of us knew what was happening, even before we knew what the Corona virus was.

PS: Read the 1999 book by Chinese Colonel Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui, "Unrestricted War: China's Master Plan to Destroy America," on Amazon. Everything is there.

Think about this ...

Why are Russia and North Korea almost completely free of Covid-19? Because they are strong allies of China. The lowest reported cases of Covid-19 come from these 2 countries.
On the other hand, South Korea / United Kingdom / Italy / Spain and Asia are seriously affected. And why is Wuhan suddenly free from the deadly virus?

China will say that the initial drastic measures they took were very severe and Wuhan was incarcerated to stem the spread to other areas. I am sure they are using the antidote
to the virus that was already available before they released it.

Why was Beijing not affected at all?

Chinese President Xi Jinping visited Wuhan at the height of the outbreak ... he put on a simple RM1 face mask to visit the affected areas? As a president, wouldn't you have been covered
from head to toe in a suit with hazardous materials? Maybe he didn't have to worry because the antidote had already been administered?

There is no doubt that this is biological warfare. Maybe this is just phase one ...and China is really taking over the world!

If that is the case, you got to admire it as a fantastic way to win in a capitalist world.   :nana:

I love belly aching conspiracy theorists.  So sad that people got their feelings hurt when someone else won.  :smilielol:

Good on them. They outmaneuvered us.   :lol:

Now we have to up our game.  We are after all the smartest, most important, most powerful people in the world.   :Twocents:

Quote from: XH29N0G on April 07, 2020, 05:49:41 PM


Now we have to up our game.  We are after all the smartest, most important, most powerful people in the world.   :Twocents:

Maybe...But certainly not the most ruthless.
Our people wouldn't have the stomach to do what China may have done to win.

agree

Or maybe, someone just undercooked a bat.

  March 18 of 2019 Smithsonian's channel covered all of this potential if any had bothered to watch. The show covered the 1918 influenza in depth along with other viral attacks. It's in reruns now along with many other shows made long before this warning that this WAS GOING TO, AND WILL KEEP HAPPENING!
  Now about that asteroid heading our way......   

Quote from: Kern Dog on April 07, 2020, 04:24:45 PM
Some people will agree with this clip:
:2thumbs:

I think mel's got an agenda.   :think:

Quote from: Kern Dog on April 07, 2020, 04:24:45 PM
Some people will agree with this clip:

So, the Chinese kill off their best customers. Makes perfect sense.  ::)

Just saw a story that the projection by UW that I posted earlier dropped the projected deaths from about 80,000 to about 60,000.  It is interesting also because they are plotting the data as it comes in on top of the projection.  It takes into account social distancing.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america (https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america) 

It also breaks down by state and resources. 

I know it is a lot lower than what the government is saying, but this is one that I think has been clear about its methods and is still really high.  This one had a much lower number from the start and I am guessing is probably the most accurate in the near term.  So using it to declare victory because a large number was posted afterwards doesn't make a whole lot of sense because those numbers looked inflated to me. 

A follow on bubble is predicted. 

I guess we will see how this plays out. 

Facts about China.  They declared war on us in Korea and killed 30-50 thousands of US G.I's . (what did we do ? ..nothing), after we saved them the from the Japs in WWII.
China is not our friends. Wake up America.

About 70 years ago and nowhere near as cut and dried as that.  Connection to COVID-19? 

Quote from: XH29N0G on April 08, 2020, 06:42:34 AM
I think mel's got an agenda.   :think:

No, just a smart ass.
Or maybe that is my agenda.
Out of respect for my elders, I removed the boomer comment.

Sounds like they are "experts" are downgrading the projected US death toll to about 61,000 (as per the latest Presidential press conference today).



And for those here who bought into the hype and hysterics of up to 2 million US deaths, this is for you....


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:yesnod:

QuoteSounds like they are "experts" are downgrading the projected US death toll to about 61,000 (as per the latest Presidential press conference today).



And for those here who bought into the hype and hysterics of up to 2 million US deaths, this is for you....

That sword cuts both ways.  

What was your idea of a reasonable estimate in early/mid March?  At the time there were barely a few dozen US deaths and this whole thing was being called a media hoax.  

I'll bet your guess at the time was a good two decimal places lower than 61,000.  If we take that same size of error in the other direction then it makes 6.1 million.    

I will also point out that the official govt number was inflated over this one  when they said 240000 or more.   :scratchchin: At the time, I wondered whether they were inflating so they could then turn around and say they did a good job.  :scratchchin: The number is a big number and shows the seriousness of the situation with the social distancing and closing down we have done.  It is the states that did it.  Have fun with your favorite guy. a word like moron comes to mind.

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on April 08, 2020, 06:42:40 PM

QuoteSounds like they are "experts" are downgrading the projected US death toll to about 61,000 (as per the latest Presidential press conference today).



And for those here who bought into the hype and hysterics of up to 2 million US deaths, this is for you....

That sword cuts both ways.  

What was your idea of a reasonable estimate in early/mid March?  At the time there were barely a few dozen US deaths and this whole thing was being called a media hoax.  

I'll bet your guess at the time was a good two decimal places lower than 61,000.  If we take that same size of error in the other direction then it makes 6.1 million.    

I never made any wild estimates one way or the other. I was consistently saying that the numbers were overblown and that the "experts" were guessing. Now, if there's anything you should have learned about me being here is that consistently, I'm 99.999% always right.


Just remember, when Mytur Binsdirti speaks, people should listen.


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QuoteI was consistently saying that the numbers were overblown and that the "experts" were guessing.

BTW, who actually declared that 2 million Americans would die?  I don't recall any informed experts saying that.


Yeah, I know some people said it last month.  Some people also believe in unicorns.



The main thrust of the outcry a month ago, was that tons of people could die from Covid if we continued to do nothing to fight the virus.  We didn't continue to do nothing.  In fact we started to do a lot.  Logically the numbers should be looking lower now.    

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 08, 2020, 07:27:18 PM

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on April 08, 2020, 06:42:40 PM

QuoteSounds like they are "experts" are downgrading the projected US death toll to about 61,000 (as per the latest Presidential press conference today).



And for those here who bought into the hype and hysterics of up to 2 million US deaths, this is for you....

That sword cuts both ways.  

What was your idea of a reasonable estimate in early/mid March?  At the time there were barely a few dozen US deaths and this whole thing was being called a media hoax.  

I'll bet your guess at the time was a good two decimal places lower than 61,000.  If we take that same size of error in the other direction then it makes 6.1 million.    

I never made any wild estimates one way or the other. I was consistently saying that the numbers were overblown and that the "experts" were guessing. Now, if there's anything you should have learned about me being here is that consistently, I'm 99.999% always right.


Just remember, when Mytur Binsdirti speaks, people should listen.


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Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 08, 2020, 04:14:17 PM
Facts about China.  They declared war on us in Korea and killed 30-50 thousands of US G.I's . (what did we do ? ..nothing), after we saved them the from the Japs in WWII.
China is not our friends. Wake up America.

China killed 30K-50K GI's in the 1950's during the Korean war.. What did we do nothing.......Read your history Folks. China is out to dominate the world and do you think they lose sleep at night about Americans dying.  NOPE

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 08, 2020, 10:47:10 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 08, 2020, 04:14:17 PM
Facts about China.  They declared war on us in Korea and killed 30-50 thousands of US G.I's . (what did we do ? ..nothing), after we saved them the from the Japs in WWII.
China is not our friends. Wake up America.

China killed 30K-50K GI's in the 1950's during the Korean war.. What did we do nothing.......Read your history Folks. China is out to dominate the world and do you think they lose sleep at night about Americans dying.  NOPE

We did nothing? Maybe you need to read the history books.   Read "The Coldest Winter".  Petty sure we're more than even when it comes to that war.  Spoiler alert:  no pictures.

  
The US bombed north Korea itself until we ran out of targets.  We finally stopped because there were literally no other intact buildings & structures left in the country to hit.  

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on April 08, 2020, 08:31:17 PM
   

QuoteI was consistently saying that the numbers were overblown and that the "experts" were guessing.

BTW, who actually declared that 2 million Americans would die?  I don't recall any informed experts saying that.


Yeah, I know some people said it last month.  Some people also believe in unicorns.



The main thrust of the outcry a month ago, was that tons of people could die from Covid if we continued to do nothing to fight the virus.  We didn't continue to do nothing.  In fact we started to do a lot.  Logically the numbers should be looking lower now.    

Who said that? Why the CDC did.......


https://c-vine.com/blog/2020/04/08/cdc-death-projection-down-by-97/


But then again, you and a few others here don't believe anything you read unless it's all the fault of the orange man, so I don't expect you to believe that the link above is credible.

Now, for another perspective, here's the top 12 leading causes of death in the US which never raise any hysteria....

https://www.healthline.com/health/leading-causes-of-death

....but we shut down the entire US economy and put 13 million people out of work for the Kung Flu?!?!?!?

QuoteWho said that? Why the CDC did.......

https://c-vine.com/blog/2020/04/08/cdc-death-projection-down-by-97/

They never said 2.2 million would die.  They warned it was potentially possible if serious action wasn't taken.  

I've been making that distinction, repeatedly, in all the virus discussions. It's not a minor detail.  

 

QuoteBut then again, you and a few others here don't believe anything you read unless it's all the fault of the orange man, so I don't expect you to believe that the link above is credible.

"FOOD FIGHT!!!"

QuoteNow, for another perspective, here's the top 12 leading causes of death in the US which never raise any hysteria...

https://www.healthline.com/health/leading-causes-of-death

....but we shut down the entire US economy and put 13 million people out of work for the Kung Flu?!?!?!?

We also dumped literally trillions of dollars into the middle east over a terrorist attack that only killed 3000 people.  That must make you REALLY frustrated if we're just going by costs-to-deaths.  

BTW, something like 50,000 Americans a year die from lack of basic healthcare.  That total number during the last few decades is north of 10 million.  What are those lives worth?   There's more to these decisions & policies than the raw death totals.  

Outfits like the CDC were working with very limited information in March.  Notice that I'm frustrated about how little testing was being done in the early weeks/months of the outbreak.  Maybe you look at those complaints and only see Trump bashing - but there's REASON behind it.  Going into an outbreak with inadequate information has CONSEQUENCES.  Like, say, stopping the economy based on wrong estimations.  

You're saying "These clowns misinterpreted the data!"  I'm saying "They didn't have decent data.  Blame the people who failed to gather it."  



Orange man talk = locked thread.  I have honestly been trying to avoid bringing him up.    

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on April 09, 2020, 05:13:18 AM

QuoteWho said that? Why the CDC did.......

https://c-vine.com/blog/2020/04/08/cdc-death-projection-down-by-97/

They never said 2.2 million would die.  They warned it was potentially possible if serious action wasn't taken.  

I've been making that distinction, repeatedly, in all the virus discussions. It's not a minor detail.  

 

QuoteBut then again, you and a few others here don't believe anything you read unless it's all the fault of the orange man, so I don't expect you to believe that the link above is credible.

"FOOD FIGHT!!!"

QuoteNow, for another perspective, here's the top 12 leading causes of death in the US which never raise any hysteria...

https://www.healthline.com/health/leading-causes-of-death

....but we shut down the entire US economy and put 13 million people out of work for the Kung Flu?!?!?!?

We also dumped literally trillions of dollars into the middle east over a terrorist attack that only killed 3000 people.  That must make you REALLY frustrated if we're just going by costs-to-deaths.  

BTW, something like 50,000 Americans a year die from lack of basic healthcare.  That total number during the last few decades is north of 10 million.  What are those lives worth?   There's more to these decisions & policies than the raw death totals.  

Outfits like the CDC were working with very limited information in March.  Notice that I'm frustrated about how little testing was being done in the early weeks/months of the outbreak.  Maybe you look at those complaints and only see Trump bashing - but there's REASON behind it.  Going into an outbreak with inadequate information has CONSEQUENCES.  Like, say, stopping the economy based on wrong estimations.  

You're saying "These clowns misinterpreted the data!"  I'm saying "They didn't have decent data.  Blame the people who failed to gather it."  



Orange man talk = locked thread.  I have honestly been trying to avoid bringing him up.    

Much like there is fake news, much of the science on the Kung Flu is proving to be fake science. Unfortunately, it is hard not to bring up the orange man because so much of the mainstream "news" is slanted in a way to tie him into the Kung Flu as another attempt to make him look as bad as possible. If you think I'm wrong, you may ask yourself why the mainstream news has NEVER come out with a news story that is slanted the other way to make him look good?

When a person with no integrity is chosen to be the teacher's pet, they never let anyone know that they are working with a built in advantage.
Thus is the case with the Left and their complicit media.
To admit that they have the biased media in their corner is to admit that they have an unfair advantage.

My grandfather said it 30 years age you cannot compete with slave labor the Chinese will control the U.S.A!

Quote from: stripedelete on April 08, 2020, 11:03:27 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 08, 2020, 10:47:10 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 08, 2020, 04:14:17 PM
Facts about China.  They declared war on us in Korea and killed 30-50 thousands of US G.I's . (what did we do ? ..nothing), after we saved them the from the Japs in WWII.
China is not our friends. Wake up America.

China killed 30K-50K GI's in the 1950's during the Korean war.. What did we do nothing.......Read your history Folks. China is out to dominate the world and do you think they lose sleep at night about Americans dying.  NOPE

We did nothing? Maybe you need to read the history books.   Read "The Coldest Winter".  Petty sure we're more than even when it comes to that war.  Spoiler alert:  no pictures.

KEEP READING, WE NEVER BOMBED CHINA OR DECLARED WAR AGAINST THEM.

Quote from: Kern Dog on April 09, 2020, 07:52:21 AM

Thus is the case with the Left and their complicit media.

ob·ses·sion

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noun

noun: obsession

the state of being obsessed with someone or something.

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 09, 2020, 10:49:03 AM



KEEP READING, WE NEVER BOMBED CHINA

But we bombed Chinese, tens of thousands were killed.

If you're expecting me to defend the mainstream media, you're gonna be disappointed. 

 

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 09, 2020, 10:49:03 AM

Quote from: stripedelete on April 08, 2020, 11:03:27 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 08, 2020, 10:47:10 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 08, 2020, 04:14:17 PM
Facts about China.  They declared war on us in Korea and killed 30-50 thousands of US G.I's . (what did we do ? ..nothing), after we saved them the from the Japs in WWII.
China is not our friends. Wake up America.

China killed 30K-50K GI's in the 1950's during the Korean war.. What did we do nothing.......Read your history Folks. China is out to dominate the world and do you think they lose sleep at night about Americans dying.  NOPE

We did nothing? Maybe you need to read the history books.   Read "The Coldest Winter".  Petty sure we're more than even when it comes to that war.  Spoiler alert:  no pictures.

KEEP READING, WE NEVER BOMBED CHINA OR DECLARED WAR AGAINST THEM.

We cooked hundreds of thousands of Chinese in North Korea.  It was carnage U.S. history would rather not recollect.
If you want to avenge the GI's who died in Korea, dig up MacArthur and then execute him.   Btw, your "CapsLock" key is stuck.

BUT, we never declared war on them (as they did us)...And we never bombed China.

Up to 150 members of the Saudi royal family reportedly have coronavirus

Oh well...............

https://nypost.com/2020/04/09/up-to-150-members-of-saudi-royal-family-may-have-coronavirus/

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 09, 2020, 07:09:26 PM
BUT, we never declared war on them (as they did us)...And we never bombed China.

China "declared war" on the U.S.? Invading a country is not a "declaration".

Quote from: John_Kunkel on April 10, 2020, 01:36:29 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 09, 2020, 07:09:26 PM
BUT, we never declared war on them (as they did us)...And we never bombed China.

China "declared war" on the U.S.? Invading a country is not a "declaration".

Are you on drugs ?, We never took the war to China (after saving their asses in WWII) . We should have Nuked their asses when they got involved in the  Korea war to kill us..  Read your History, China is not our friend, and nothing but a USSR puppet....Mark my words, China and their homemade Islands with missiles pointed our way, will be our next war.

 I called it first. https://www.foxnews.com/media/lindsey-graham-whole-world-send-china-bill

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 10, 2020, 01:52:35 PM
I called it first. https://www.foxnews.com/media/lindsey-graham-whole-world-send-china-bill

That guy is all tough talk and zero action.

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 10, 2020, 01:46:20 PM

Are you on drugs ?, We never took the war to China (after saving their asses in WWII) .

Never said we did, not to Chinese soil, but we killed lots of Chinese in Korea. China never "declared war" on the U.S., they merely came to the aid of their Commie brethren in Korea and fought against NATO which included the U.S. and many other countries.

You're the one who needs to read up on history and linguistics.

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 10, 2020, 03:31:57 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 10, 2020, 01:52:35 PM
I called it first. https://www.foxnews.com/media/lindsey-graham-whole-world-send-china-bill

That guy is all tough talk and zero action.

But wait, guys like him are the source of "credible news" for many here.

Quote from: John_Kunkel on April 11, 2020, 03:52:34 PM

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 10, 2020, 03:31:57 PM

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 10, 2020, 01:52:35 PM
I called it first. https://www.foxnews.com/media/lindsey-graham-whole-world-send-china-bill

That guy is all tough talk and zero action.

But wait, guys like him are the source of "credible news" for many here.

That may be, and there may be others who think that guy's a blowhard too. Some here no doubt consider voices on the other side of the isle to be sources of "credible news" too.  So what's your point?   :shruggy:

 China is trying to kill us all.  :RantExplode: