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Title: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: chargermadness on June 10, 2011, 03:35:13 AM
This Daytona on Ebay shows that there are still in the wild to be found. 
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: tan top on June 10, 2011, 03:40:23 AM
hello & welcome  :cheers:   was just looking at that !!  :coolgleamA:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Dodge-Daytona-REAL-DEAL-/150617008745?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2311792a69
           :drool5:
XX29L9B386546
 or       336546  :scratchchin:

wonder why no pictures of the front end though  :scratchchin:


Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: tan top on June 10, 2011, 03:41:24 AM
 bet thats got an interesting story to tell !!   sold by police in 71 , spun bearing in the 440  & wrecked in the front   :scratchchin:    :popcrn:

wonder if its a known car ?? to the Aero Guys  :scratchchin:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Richard Cranium on June 10, 2011, 04:51:12 AM
Hmmmm, that's a bout 100 miles from me.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Just 6T9 CHGR on June 10, 2011, 05:35:48 AM
Quote from: tan top on June 10, 2011, 03:40:23 AM
hello & welcome  :cheers:   was just looking at that !!  :coolgleamA:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Dodge-Daytona-REAL-DEAL-/150617008745?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2311792a69
           :drool5:
XX29L9B386546
  or       336546  :scratchchin:

wonder why no pictures of the front end though  :scratchchin:



More than likely 386546 if the SPD is 520
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: hemi68charger on June 10, 2011, 06:31:48 AM
Cool !!!  nice to know another one could be saved... But man, she looks pretty weathered for a car that's been garaged since '71.... The garage must have had a leaky roof and let the sun in........

But, alas, it's another Daytona to hopefully hit the pavement..
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: qwick68 on June 10, 2011, 07:42:44 AM
I placed the first bid but was outbid about ten minutes after........
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 10, 2011, 08:47:32 AM
I didnt see it on the shiplist is that vin right in the ad.No actual picture of fender tag on ebay. And the way its re written out of order .I checked shiplist for 519- 520 built cars againist vin list and 926 job numbers.his car doesnt appear to be on the shiplist list.And no pictures of front end or front end parts.Car doesnt seem to add up to me :Twocents:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,75320.0.html
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: moparstuart on June 10, 2011, 09:17:19 AM
 :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: hemigeno on June 10, 2011, 09:18:44 AM
The VIN is 386546, as stated elsewhere in the ad (the Fender Tag codes he listed have a couple of small typos).  I cross-referenced the S.O. number to confirm that it's #375 on the list, and it is shown as having been shipped to Senate Motors in Washington DC (awfully close to Maryland, so that would make sense too).  

This was a car known to exist, but I didn't have the fender tag codes until today.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Aero426 on June 10, 2011, 09:19:13 AM
That car was owned by one of the first DSAC members from back in '75.    The story about the car being bought from a police auction with nose damage is correct.   Real low miles too, like 11,000.     I will have to review the notes, but I believe the owner wrote way back then that the car had been involved in some illegal activity like drug running.   This person was in the club from 1975 through 2009, and kind of disappeared.   So he may have passed away, and that could be why the car has come on the market.

As mentioned, it is 386546.    
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 10, 2011, 09:23:12 AM
Thanks I looked it up by the #375 number .Found it  375   dc      Senate Motors Washington, DC   8/30/1969   
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 10, 2011, 09:36:39 AM
Good thing that number 375 was legible.Making out the 386546 from this pageThe 926266 number on list matches the ebay transcribed fender tag.The other transcribed info was off.Making things not correct and not adding up :Twocents:
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_3190.jpg)
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 10, 2011, 01:25:53 PM
Quote from: Richard Cranium on June 10, 2011, 04:51:12 AM
Hmmmm, that's a bout 100 miles from me.



       Hmmmmmmmmmmm,61 miles from me!!!! Why is it baby blue??????
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 10, 2011, 01:27:28 PM
Wonder if its close to reserve?????
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 10, 2011, 01:30:19 PM
And why not put pics of interior,front end,or these NOS parts he has?????
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 10, 2011, 02:21:36 PM
Looking in my 70- up newsletters for this cars story.Only ran across a 1975 roster car wasnt on it
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_3191.jpg)
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: ksquared on June 10, 2011, 03:08:27 PM
OK, as a non-expert, I would appreciate one of the experts explaining the significance of this photo.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 10, 2011, 03:10:08 PM
Might be because usually torsion bar rusts there and breaks away.And auto rust tech makes a repair cap for that area .And that area hasnt been touched :Twocents:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: ksquared on June 10, 2011, 03:12:36 PM
Thanks nascarxx29!!  

Is the torsion bar specific for Daytonas, or found on all Chargers?  (I know, another basic question.  I think I know the answer, but I'm not sure.)

OK, I found the answer here for a Charger which also shows a great photo of it: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=72838.0
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 10, 2011, 03:15:51 PM
Torsion bar set up standard
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 10, 2011, 03:39:12 PM
This daytona not the one currently on ebay was Y2 got changed to Petty blue and was bought in MD area
But was lookng to find a background story typical to this one.On the current ebay Y2 daytona /? Blue
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,50778.0.html
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Richard Cranium on June 10, 2011, 07:17:09 PM


It is dusty & crusty and obviously hasn't been stored in an ideal enviroment.  The fenders and nose cone have got to be in real rough shape, otherwise they'd be shown.

Considering that it'll take at least 75 large to get it back in shape, plus hundreds of hours of time, the 64 dollar queston has got to be; what's it really worth?
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 10, 2011, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: Richard Cranium on June 10, 2011, 07:17:09 PM


It is dusty & crusty and obviously hasn't been stored in an ideal enviroment.  The fenders and nose cone have got to be in real rough shape, otherwise they'd be shown.

Considering that it'll take at least 75 large to get it back in shape, plus hundreds of hours of time, the 64 dollar queston has got to be; what's it really worth?


Given the market,and examples like Troy not being able to sell his at 125k for a real nice car,so for a real nice 440-4bbl car,$100k. Therefore,you are correct,you'd have $75k into it,so at that,I don't think the car in question is worth more than $30k tops.Now I'm not saying someone won't buy it,because history has proven that people will spend more than half of what its worth restored on a major project,and then have more into by the time they're done,and could have just bought one done and drove it now and save the years and aggravation of restoring.
Now as far as someone that can and will do all the work himself,and really wants this car, is a diff story,might give a few more $$$$$$.
What do you think the $$$$$ ratio of a project car should be to it being a restored one????? 20% of restored value,25%,40%.....?If this guys res is $50k,that is nuts,just buy Troys!!!!!!
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 10, 2011, 07:54:44 PM
Seeing this car and condition .The Big Willie 440 car be the better buy :Twocents:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Richard Cranium on June 10, 2011, 08:03:37 PM
Quote from: 69 OUR/TEA on June 10, 2011, 07:33:35 PM





I don't think the car in question is worth more than $30k tops.Now I'm not saying someone won't buy it,because history has proven that people will spend more than half of what its worth restored on a major project,and then have more into by the time they're done,and could have just bought one done and drove it now and save the years and aggravation of restoring.


That's about the figure I was thinking it was worth and the bidding is over that now. In the old days, one almost always had more into thier car than it was worth and most likely that car (as well as mine) will be no exception. Everyone got spoiled with the escallating prices (for both houses and cars) over this past decade, but those days are long gone and given the economy, high values for cars and houses just aren't coming back any time soon. Hopefully this seller understands that and the car does end up  going to a good home. It would be a damn shame for that Daytona to go back into their crappy storage to sit and decay.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 10, 2011, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 10, 2011, 07:54:44 PM
Seeing this car and condition .The Big Willie 440 car be the better buy :Twocents:

Just another Daytona that needs to be restored to me,At $140K, not flying of the shelf yet.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 10, 2011, 08:34:39 PM
Quote from: Richard Cranium on June 10, 2011, 08:03:37 PM
Quote from: 69 OUR/TEA on June 10, 2011, 07:33:35 PM





I don't think the car in question is worth more than $30k tops.Now I'm not saying someone won't buy it,because history has proven that people will spend more than half of what its worth restored on a major project,and then have more into by the time they're done,and could have just bought one done and drove it now and save the years and aggravation of restoring.


That's about the figure I was thinking it was worth and the bidding is over that now. In the old days, one almost always had more into thier car than it was worth and most likely that car (as well as mine) will be no exception. Everyone got spoiled with the escallating prices (for both houses and cars) over this past decade, but those days are long gone and given the economy, high values for cars and houses just aren't coming back any time soon. Hopefully this seller understands that and the car does end up  going to a good home. It would be a damn shame for that Daytona to go back into their crappy storage to sit and decay.


You could'nt have said it better!!!!! To many guys out there clinging to the 05,06,07 BJ prices!!!!Watched my house go up in $$$$ and come down,so did'nt the cars!!!!Now we just got to get the nuckleheads that think an NOS 69 Charger grill is worth $3K to understand the current situation!!!!
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 11, 2011, 03:48:32 AM
That car reminds me of this
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,78609.0.html
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Richard Cranium on June 11, 2011, 05:55:52 AM
I contacted the seller about going out to see the car & his response was that the car is at someone else's house & there will be no viewings, but he can send more pictures.  What's that tell you? ::)
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: tan top on June 11, 2011, 07:07:26 AM
Quote from: Richard Cranium on June 11, 2011, 05:55:52 AM
I contacted the seller about going out to see the car & his response was that the car is at someone else's house & there will be no viewings, but he can send more pictures.  What's that tell you? ::)

not his car to sell ??   :shruggy:   :scratchchin:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 11, 2011, 09:28:42 AM
Quote from: Richard Cranium on June 11, 2011, 05:55:52 AM
I contacted the seller about going out to see the car & his response was that the car is at someone else's house & there will be no viewings, but he can send more pictures.  What's that tell you? ::)

When they do that,crank the auction to be the highest bidder,hitting th e reserve or not,and then say you're coming to get the car,get there and say,"not as you described,thank you"walk away,then inform everyone else.Stop possible scammers right from the start!!!!!
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 11, 2011, 09:33:26 AM
And,ask him to send you the pics of the NOS stuff,eng bay,interior,inside trunk,and see if he comes thru with what you ask.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Richard Cranium on June 11, 2011, 10:09:04 AM
He says that me & 40 other people want pictures and I'm sure that there are several here in line for them as well.   :lol:


Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 11, 2011, 10:49:28 AM
Totally not acceptable if you are selling something and refuse to let a possible buyer come see it!!!!!! My 3x9 R/T SE was an ebay auction that totally looked fake,and had a thread here with everyone saying to stay away,fake,not real.I agreed to,but when contacting seller about it by phone conversation,I asked him specific ?'s that you could'nt answer unless the car was right in front of you.He did,and the car being from LI,it was right up the road for me,he allowed me to come see,open door,there it was,real!!! Deal was struck right then,auction ended early before anyone else had a chance to inquire.Sometimes they do work out,but you have to be ready to expect fraud!!!!
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Richard Cranium on June 11, 2011, 12:24:34 PM
The car is very crusty. The NOS headlight buckets are fiberglass. The engine compartment is scary......



Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Richard Cranium on June 11, 2011, 12:29:31 PM
A total restoration is in order....
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 11, 2011, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: Richard Cranium on June 11, 2011, 12:24:34 PM
The car is very crusty. The NOS headlight buckets are fiberglass. The engine compartment is scary......





you got pics sent to you?????
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 11, 2011, 12:33:36 PM
They all look crusty before the resto!!!!LOL This car would be a rotiss anyway.  :hack: :paintingpink: :buff:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Richard Cranium on June 11, 2011, 12:37:17 PM
Quote from: 69 OUR/TEA on June 11, 2011, 12:33:36 PM
They all look crusty before the resto!!!!LOL This car would be a rotiss anyway.  :hack: :paintingpink: :buff:

Mine wasn't.  :icon_smile_big:

One trunk decal?

Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: tan top on June 11, 2011, 12:48:55 PM
did he send any pictures of the damage  , where it was hit !! inner fender ?? frame rail ,suspension ?? that side  K frame ?? , i know it don't really matter a great deal ! as its a complete  nut & bolt  resto by the looks of it anyway  :scratchchin:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Richard Cranium on June 11, 2011, 01:03:21 PM
Quote from: tan top on June 11, 2011, 12:48:55 PM
did he send any pictures of the damage  , where it was hit !! inner fender ?? frame rail ,suspension ?? that side  K frame ?? , i know it don't really matter a great deal ! as its a complete  nut & bolt  resto by the looks of it anyway  :scratchchin:

No pictures of the damage. 1970 fenders are sitting on top of one another on a shelf. There's a story to this car, but I think you'll need the jaws of life to get that story from the seller.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: BigBlockSam on June 11, 2011, 02:20:04 PM
 :scratchchin:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: gtx6970 on June 11, 2011, 06:18:44 PM
I gotta keep a real close eye on this one.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 11, 2011, 08:09:45 PM
What he get for a title. Most police recovered cars get a seperate serial number underhood plate and additional paperwork :Twocents: Wasnt it suppose to have NOS fenders parts etc .I can see the center of wing.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: tan top on June 12, 2011, 04:16:29 AM
Quote from: Richard Cranium on June 11, 2011, 01:03:21 PM
Quote from: tan top on June 11, 2011, 12:48:55 PM
did he send any pictures of the damage  , where it was hit !! inner fender ?? frame rail ,suspension ?? that side  K frame ?? , i know it don't really matter a great deal ! as its a complete  nut & bolt  resto by the looks of it anyway  :scratchchin:

No pictures of the damage. 1970 fenders are sitting on top of one another on a shelf. There's a story to this car, but I think you'll need the jaws of life to get that story from the seller.


  :scratchchin:  guessed there was some story with this car !! 

thanks for the info , & posting the pictures RC :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Patronus on June 12, 2011, 11:18:13 AM
I think someone hit retirement age. Interesting to see what this goes for..  :popcrn:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 12, 2011, 01:41:24 PM
The story I see with this car so far been fiction :Twocents:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: BigBlockSam on June 12, 2011, 02:55:53 PM
i offered him some trades but he said no  :D
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 12, 2011, 03:00:09 PM
If it were me being interested to buy,I would insist on a visual inspection and if he refuses,wreck the auction!!!!!You don't try to sell something and deny interested parties inspection of it,IMO.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Aero426 on June 12, 2011, 03:07:22 PM
Quote from: 69 OUR/TEA on June 12, 2011, 03:00:09 PM
If it were me being interested to buy,I would insist on a visual inspection and if he refuses,wreck the auction!!!!!You don't try to sell something and deny interested parties inspection of it,IMO.

Per the update to the auction listing, arrangements can be made to see the car. 
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 12, 2011, 03:08:30 PM
NTM,how many of those bids do you think are his friends ringing it up,yah,nobodys done that before!!!!!!!I'm sure there are some legit,because of the status of what it is for sale.If you were serious about the car,and still wanted to bid for it,and win it, refuse a deposit,and that you will pay in full in person when you go to pick it up!!!!!
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 12, 2011, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on June 12, 2011, 03:07:22 PM
Quote from: 69 OUR/TEA on June 12, 2011, 03:00:09 PM
If it were me being interested to buy,I would insist on a visual inspection and if he refuses,wreck the auction!!!!!You don't try to sell something and deny interested parties inspection of it,IMO.

Per the update to the auction listing, arrangements can be made to see the car. 


Thats more like it !!!!!
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Aero426 on June 12, 2011, 03:17:47 PM
Quote from: 69 OUR/TEA on June 10, 2011, 07:33:35 PM
Given the market,and examples like Troy not being able to sell his at 125k for a real nice car,so for a real nice 440-4bbl car,$100k. Therefore,you are correct,you'd have $75k into it,so at that,I don't think the car in question is worth more than $30k tops.Now I'm not saying someone won't buy it,because history has proven that people will spend more than half of what its worth restored on a major project,and then have more into by the time they're done,and could have just bought one done and drove it now and save the years and aggravation of restoring.
Now as far as someone that can and will do all the work himself,and really wants this car, is a diff story,might give a few more $$$$$$.
What do you think the $$$$$ ratio of a project car should be to it being a restored one????? 20% of restored value,25%,40%.....?If this guys res is $50k,that is nuts,just buy Troys!!!!!!

Given that there are a total of ZERO other project Daytonas on the market, the chances of this one selling for 30k are somewhere between slim and none.   A Daytona is generally not one of those cars where you arrive at the price by subtracting restoration cost from current retail.  You might want to try and negotiate that, but the seller probably will not bite on that kind of math.

Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 12, 2011, 03:56:46 PM
Maybe this former project daytona will come out of hibernation as is from the 80s .Or restored somewhere
This F6 Green white interior and stripe daytona from St Louis MO that was a 80-s car .But again $25K and was original but hurting from being outside since the 70-s.Fellow wing car owner John TPR went and sent me pictures of XX29L9B398853

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/Scan0001TDTA.jpg)
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Arnie Cunningham on June 12, 2011, 04:21:16 PM
Reasonably rust free, matching engine block, mostly complete project, possibly very low miles, 4.10s.
The car is worth at least the value of its parts.  It will, of course sell for much more than that regardless of the cost of restoration.
These cars are no different than any other classic car in one respect - the value is in the eye of the beholder.  There are very few
cars out there that are worth more than their restoration cost.  Cost is not the driving factor in this.  Desire is.  I say more power to the
seller.  He sat on this thing for decades.  He found most of the parts needed to put it back together.  I hope he gets $100,000 for it.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 12, 2011, 05:26:42 PM
Good points made Arnie,as with me and many others from this site that have the ability to do one of the most major costs of a resto,the paint and bodywork,allows us to buy cars to restore as it is our own labor going into them allowing a major $$$$$ savings.Therefore,if this Daytona was one which I had to have as it was a dream car for me,I could see myself paying $30-40k for it.You have to take its total restored value into consideration,you would'nt buy a car for $30k if its value was $30k,and given the fact right now,unless I'm wrong,IMO this car rotiss restored maybe worth $100-125k????Just as houses are down,so are the collector cars,and you can't predict when and if they will come back so you have to spend you money wisely.
As said,Troy has his for sale at $125k turnkey,no restoring,no parts hunting,no aggravation ,put the key in and enjoy it now,and he still has it.I not saying it's not worth it,but they're not jumping off the shelves at that price.
Now as far as the seller goes,you,me and everyone else that tries selling a car shoots for the stars hoping to stretch every last dollar out of it,so can't blame him with his undisclosed(assuming high)reserve.If he gets some fish to bite at $50,60k,etc,God bless him.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 12, 2011, 05:37:35 PM
Someone did pay $40K for the TX toast daytona XX29L9B355107 wasnt whole lot there to work with
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Aero426 on June 12, 2011, 06:24:49 PM
Quote from: 69 OUR/TEA on June 12, 2011, 05:26:42 PM
Good points made Arnie,as with me and many others from this site that have the ability to do one of the most major costs of a resto,the paint and bodywork,allows us to buy cars to restore as it is our own labor going into them allowing a major $$$$$ savings.Therefore,if this Daytona was one which I had to have as it was a dream car for me,I could see myself paying $30-40k for it.You have to take its total restored value into consideration,you would'nt buy a car for $30k if its value was $30k,and given the fact right now,unless I'm wrong,IMO this car rotiss restored maybe worth $100-125k????Just as houses are down,so are the collector cars,and you can't predict when and if they will come back so you have to spend you money wisely.
As said,Troy has his for sale at $125k turnkey,no restoring,no parts hunting,no aggravation ,put the key in and enjoy it now,and he still has it.I not saying it's not worth it,but they're not jumping off the shelves at that price.
Now as far as the seller goes,you,me and everyone else that tries selling a car shoots for the stars hoping to stretch every last dollar out of it,so can't blame him with his undisclosed(assuming high)reserve.If he gets some fish to bite at $50,60k,etc,God bless him.


There is a lot of blue sky optimism to a buyer looking at that Daytona project at 50k versus and the 125k of Troy's car.    125k is still 125k - which means that is a lot of money to most of us to come up with.    You will pay more as a percentage of restored value for the project car.   As I mentioned, show me what other project Daytonas are available at the moment.

Yes the market is down.    Yes, if a person had the money, they certainly might find better value with someone elses Daytona that is already done.   The key words are "IF YOU HAD THE MONEY".   If that buyer doesn't, then a car like Troy's is out of the equation.    If you don't have the money up front, then a car like this project is the only way in.    
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: held1823 on June 12, 2011, 06:46:12 PM
the buy-in amount has, sadly,  become the "justification" for building a fake, clone, or (my personal least-favorite term) tribute. I'd much prefer to see this genuine wing car on the street or at a show, even in its current condition, versus any home-built pretender.

hopefully this reply does not turn the thread into a debacle, for it is simply one man's opinion, and likely in the minority.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 12, 2011, 07:59:02 PM
Sure Aero426,I know what you are saying,someone has the ,lets say $50k to buy the car,and is going to restore as he goes and gets the funds,thats how most of us do it.I would love to have seen the car roll with no reserve,and even at that,you would'nt know if the auction was being helped by friends.Just because you see 8 diff bidders that chased it up to reserve,does'nt mean they were serious,and in fact if the res is lets say $50k,there may be only one person that would take it.So its hard to put a gauge on what something is worth,done or project.
Even the TV auctions could have staggered fakes in the crowd,thats why I love the tried and true sales of the BIN,classifieds on forums,collector car sites ,either it sells it or it doesn't.
On another note,I can see someone paying alot for this project,as you said,where are the other daytona projects???I myself,if it were a car I so much desired,would def pay more than the rest would,just so I can get it over with and own it.Car still remains long after price has been forgotten.For me,it's not even a Mopar,it's a 70 Buick GSX,at one time in the high market they were starting to tap six figures,now they have come down the $60-$80k range,and if one came up I'd pay 30-35 for a project one(depending factors of course).With just only 678 of those made,same goes,show me where the project ones are.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 12, 2011, 08:22:54 PM
Out of the 678 Saturn yellow GSX you dont see many 4 speed ones .I knew 2 guys who had these cars originally from day one.You dont see many Apollo white ones those are rare
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_3228.jpg)
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 69 OUR/TEA on June 12, 2011, 08:40:37 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 12, 2011, 08:22:54 PM
Out of the 678 Saturn yellow GSX you dont see many 4 speed ones .I knew 2 guys who had these cars originally from day one.You dont see many Apollo white ones those are rare
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_3228.jpg)

187 Appolo white
491 Saturn yellow

400 Stage 1's  278 non Stage 1's
199 4speeds
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: XS29LA47V21 on June 14, 2011, 09:14:14 AM
 :popcrn:
Yes, good luck finding another builder Daytona at any money at any time these recent years.  However.  It appears to me that there is more Daytona/500s for sale & many not selling in the last 3-4 years than maybe the previous 20 years combined and that some market optimism remains or they have too much money in the car.   I think today's buyers can be broken down reasonably into some main categories.  They could be some combination of these maybe.  1) The flipper, investor, not likely in this market,.. if so, good luck with that. 2) Mass budget availability, does not care about the percentage premium above apparent market value, in many cases above market will not matter, if they want the car they will buy 3) Budget available, value minded buyer, some level of concern with market current/future values, likely not to buy a 40-50k car to put 100k or more for it to become some value less than investment.  4) Budget available, "specific options-colors" minded buyer, likely to give some significant percentage premium money for rarity within the rare cars, it's a hobby isn't it  :drool5:  5)  Do it yourself buyer also can pay some amount more,  money savings is coming with the free labor, also less likely worried about "money making investment" aspect, it's a hobby it's it  6)The part timer or accident buyer just paid too much.  7)Nostalgic buyer, they had one in youth, parents had one, etc, if option are similar enough likely buy above apparent market value. 8)The Dreamers, buys with the dream to finish, but many times never happens, our hobby is full of these.  Dangerous maybe at this level car due the financial commitment short or long term  9) Lastly clearly there are less buyers at any level car it appears, I couldn't get an offer on a 2k builder 69 Dart at a recent swap meet that would have sold in the mid 90s reasonably easy at 2k.

Back to the Y2 -  Dana, disc brakes and three speed wipers, Y2 with black, cool options :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Mopar John on June 14, 2011, 05:05:53 PM
 Earlier someone had mentioned this Daytona as a "known" one but it hadn't been seen in a long time. Based on the info out there this was yet another Y2 Daytona that was repainted a differant color. Does this one change the Y2 "known" color total which I believe is at 21 or 22 now? Also is there info to confirm that the trans is matching number in addition to the correct block being available?
Thanks! MJ
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 68X426 on June 14, 2011, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 10, 2011, 07:54:44 PM
Seeing this car and condition .The Big Willie 440 car be the better buy :Twocents:

Very good observation.  :yesnod:

I see that it's up to $47k with 2 days left.

Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Aero426 on June 14, 2011, 06:29:33 PM
Quote from: 68X426 on June 14, 2011, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 10, 2011, 07:54:44 PM
Seeing this car and condition .The Big Willie 440 car be the better buy :Twocents:

Very good observation.  :yesnod:

I see that it's up to $47k with 2 days left.



You guys must not have seen the Willie car in person.   Even though it has been apparently barn stored, the Mass car does not seem to have the corrosion like the Willie car which was outside for years.   
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 68X426 on June 14, 2011, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on June 14, 2011, 06:29:33 PM


You guys must not have seen the Willie car in person.   Even though it has been apparently barn stored, the Mass car does not seem to have the corrosion like the Willie car which was outside for years.   

Got me there. I've only seen pics and heard stories.  :icon_smile_blackeye:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: BigBlockSam on June 14, 2011, 07:04:09 PM
QuoteYou guys must not have seen the Willie car in person

i've seen the big Willie daytona in person, close up . one of my club members owns it and Jack inspected it before he bought it  . it has it's bad parts but it has a lot of good things going for it and history.  maybe even some surprises   :scratchchin:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 15, 2011, 08:47:49 AM
http://s1093.photobucket.com/albums/i429/36dodgeguy/?start=all
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 70Sbird on June 15, 2011, 10:04:23 AM
looking at all the pictures, it really does look like a solid car, considering that it also appears to have been storred outside for a period of time.
If the required parts came with the car, this really doesnt see to be a bad project. I've seen many cars in worsr condition brought back from the dead.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: tan top on June 15, 2011, 10:11:49 AM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 15, 2011, 08:47:49 AM
http://s1093.photobucket.com/albums/i429/36dodgeguy/?start=all

:o  that looks real good !! from the pictures  , wish i had the dough  :yesnod:  :'
  , thanks for sharing the link  :cheers: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: gtx6970 on June 16, 2011, 09:10:13 AM
Listing seems to have garnered some attention .

Based on pictures I've seen so far. I think it's about maxed out price wise. IMO

BUT

Main issue is, There's not a whole lot of project Daytonas avail. So they fall into a grey area on the projects price scale. If you want one, your options are very limited.
2nd - not everyone can afford to drop 6 figures on a done car, even if it is the smartest,cheaper in the long run thing to do.
( Unless you can do the majority of the work yourself, it always has been and always will be the less expensive way to go - buy it done )

3rd - some prefer buying projects, that way they know EXACLY what they have in a finished product.
Finally, if it's all decent, complete and OE pieces, just the radiator support forward is worth well north of $10K , might even tickle close to $20K to the right person.

A good friend of mine has one in similar condition , (except B5 4 spd ) and I am watching this car. As it will help him determine if he decides to sell his or turn it over to me to restore it.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 70Sbird on June 16, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
Less than 10 hours left on the auction and the bidding is over 52K, My bet is that it will end somewhere in the mid 60's
:o
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: moparstuart on June 16, 2011, 02:02:27 PM
Quote from: 70Sbird on June 16, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
Less than 10 hours left on the auction and the bidding is over 52K, My bet is that it will end somewhere in the mid 60's
:o

hard to believe at 52k the reserve is still not met   :shruggy:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: hemi68charger on June 16, 2011, 02:24:37 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on June 16, 2011, 02:02:27 PM
Quote from: 70Sbird on June 16, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
Less than 10 hours left on the auction and the bidding is over 52K, My bet is that it will end somewhere in the mid 60's
:o

hard to believe at 52k the reserve is still not met   :shruggy:

Betcha it's somewhere between $75K to $100K USD
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: 70Sbird on June 16, 2011, 03:06:59 PM


Betcha it's somewhere between $75K to $100K USD
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Or, the reserve is at 53K and the buyer has a few friends helping him out.......
:scratchchin:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: held1823 on June 16, 2011, 04:28:35 PM
the seller has the option to accept the final bid, reserve or not, so actually meeting the reserve price is a moot point. the reserve could be $250,000, and the car could still sell. why anyone would think the car needs "friends" to boost its bid price is beyond me, when people pour 30 or $40,000 (or more) into a 318 satellite or charger, to build a fake. this one is the real deal and, as doug said, it may be the only way in, for a lot of people without $125,00 on hand.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Charger-Bodie on June 16, 2011, 09:03:31 PM
70k
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: pettybird on June 16, 2011, 09:13:51 PM
hmm...more than I thought by about 10k.  still not a bad deal if you can keep the restoration cost below 60k.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: held1823 on June 16, 2011, 09:17:28 PM
the high bidder has a feedback score of 2? it almost looks like he was just fishing for the reserve.

it looks like the "real" bidding stopped around the 53k range. i'd be shocked if the deal went through, but i guess everyone started at zero feedback, at one point.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: hemi68charger on June 16, 2011, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: pettybird on June 16, 2011, 09:13:51 PM
hmm...more than I thought by about 10k.  still not a bad deal if you can keep the restoration cost below 60k.

Wow,, I wasn't far off............ Good for him and the buyer.... Maybe they'll have it ready for the Indy Meet......  :icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: F8-4life on June 16, 2011, 09:33:06 PM
Jeez 70k seems pretty high. Specially for an auto car.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: hemi68charger on June 16, 2011, 09:36:13 PM
Quote from: F8-4life on June 16, 2011, 09:33:06 PM
Jeez 70k seems pretty high. Specially for an auto car.

If he puts say, a large amount of $70K, he can do a LOT. Then he'll have a solid, original motor, Daytona at $140K... Not bad at all............  Like mine but with a fresher paint job.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: F8-4life on June 16, 2011, 09:58:43 PM
Good point. I guess I have a hard time justifying that for a daytona project. Think of all the regular ol' 69 chargers you could get with that kind of money! And then stick a wing on one of em.
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: hemi68charger on June 16, 2011, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: F8-4life on June 16, 2011, 09:58:43 PM
Good point. I guess I have a hard time justifying that for a daytona project. Think of all the regular ol' 69 chargers you could get with that kind of money! And then stick a wing on one of em.

If that's what you want.......  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: ksquared on June 16, 2011, 10:07:37 PM
Did the Y2 original color affect the price at all?
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: gtx6970 on June 16, 2011, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: ksquared on June 16, 2011, 10:07:37 PM
Did the Y2 original color affect the price at all?


Doubt anyone will ever know one way or the other.

IMO, the color combo and the auto hurts it more than anything

Prefade yellow , black int, 440 auto, to me is about as bland as it can get, even for a Daytona,( my opinion only of course)
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: Aero426 on June 17, 2011, 08:50:37 AM
Quote from: ksquared on June 16, 2011, 10:07:37 PM
Did the Y2 original color affect the price at all?


I don't think so.   Some would say that "at least it's not R4 or V2" like most other Daytonas.    With so few cars available, there really are no bad colors on a Daytona.  A few will command a premium. Q5, black,  white with red, etc.     
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: hemi68charger on June 17, 2011, 09:56:17 AM
Shoot..
I think Y2 with a black wing and interior would look great with a set of chrome 15x7 or 15x8 magnum 500's...  The chrome would add a little flare to it......  Bright orange 440 against the yellow background would be cool too.....
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: tan top on June 17, 2011, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 17, 2011, 09:56:17 AM
Shoot..
I think Y2 with a black wing and interior would look great with a set of chrome 15x7 or 15x8 magnum 500's...  The chrome would add a little flare to it......  Bright orange 440 against the yellow background would be cool too.....

:coolgleamA:   :2thumbs:   :drool5:
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: moparstuart on June 17, 2011, 10:29:10 AM
Y2  hemi car    :D
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: nascarxx29 on June 17, 2011, 10:31:52 AM
John TPR daytona is going back to Y2 .Also The Hodges car looked good in Y2.And that car was in bad shape
Title: Re: 1969 Daytona on Ebay
Post by: hemi68charger on June 17, 2011, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 17, 2011, 10:31:52 AM
John TPR daytona is going back to Y2 .Also The Hodges car looked good in Y2.And that car was in bad shape

Mario's 4-speed is Y2 as well............................  Maybe I should paint my V2 to match my Y2 C500................  Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa