need feedback on stinger daytona kit
Howdy
i'm happy with my stinger nose but they haven't finished making the light buckets yet but i'm not ready to mount the nose yet. i'm working on the rear window plug and wing now. i don't know about there wing looks kinda funky on there website. i'm using an aluminum wing. the good think about stinger is that there the cheapest and the fastest to deliver there nose. Peace
I got a call from artie last week and he's finished with the headlight buckets. Why did you go with a steel wing versus stinger wing. Also im using a vega hatch , I have it roughed on the car , give me sometips please. Larry O
I've pretty much decided to go with the dayclona nose. It's made with marine grade resin which holds up much better than regular resins. If you think about how well boats are made, it makes sense. I'm going to sell a few project cars that I have around here and bite the bullet and buy the good stuff. I plan to keep the car pretty much for the rest of my life so I want to make sure that it holds up. That's not really all that long though, since I'm almost 50 now. :icon_smile: I've gone the cheap route before and always ended up regretting it. I'll use my aluminum wing and the daytona plug. I'm just waiting for Rene to work out all of the bugs first. ;D
hey
i'm so busy with work that i haven't been able to work on the daytona. what i can tell you is that you have to remove material from the back of the vega plug or notch the sail panels on your car to get the vega hatch in. i bought my 69 charger just to do the daytona thing . my sail panels had lots of rust so i cut it out and the plug fell rite in. it doesnt go all the way up either . you have to weld a peice of metal in on top. here is a pic that Dane gave me of his car . to help me with my instalation. Rene
Well one of these years I will hopefull test a stinger wing for speed.... Not too expensive it I shred it I can always get another....
Hey Sam! Is that rear window plug supposed to look like that at the bottom?
I'm kinda confused as to why it looks like it's curved back up! ???
2fast
PS....I would still like those pictures again of the black Daytona....sorry about the first time you sent them! :-\
thats Dane's car. i don't know why it's bent back like that. ya gotta remember, building a daytona replica is not a science. it can be done in many differant ways.
i'll send you those pics again tomorrow. Peace
And I don't think that's one of them. :icon_smile_big:
I almost went to Florida before Labor Day to pick up a nose cone & other parts from Artie at Stinger. I was going to go with my wife & daughter, make a mini vacation out of it, & maybe see an aunt I haven't seen in a long time. The trip was planned for the same weekend that hurricane Katrina hit, so I decided to cancel & order it to have it shipped. Dane passed the Stinger name onto me last year & said the product was very good for the money & is shipped very quickly. Well, I didn't get around to calling Stinger yet, & a friend of mine convinced me to call this semi-local guy who was bailing out of his Daytona replica project & selling just about all the parts needed to do the conversion. It's all Ted Janak's parts, & they all look very good, including the nose cone.
The list of parts I got includes:
Nose cone
Z Brackets
Latch tray
Head light doors
Head light buckets
Head light pivots
Head light mounting plates
Lower front spoiler
Wing with mounting studs
Wing washers
Window plug
One fender scoop (Only one, don't know why?)
I just picked all this stuff up Tuesday night in New Jersey. I ended up getting all of it for roughly the same as what I would have paid by getting Stinger's parts, along with the rest of the items that stinger doesn't make from Ted Janak. Including the shipping & packaging fees. The biggest plus is that I didn't have to wait for the parts to be made & didn't risk having them damaged by the delivery gorillas.
I don't think I'll use the window plug because of the fiberglass & steel differences & may sell it down the road. I also have an aluminum wing I'd rather use, but since the fiberglass one had the studs & holes in it, I'll probably use it as a template to mock up the aluminum one on the car. The few things I still need will be the lower front valance, one fender scoop, the grille & the grille frame.
I'm somewhat disappointed I'm not buying Stinger's parts since I had spoke to, & emailed Artie. He seems okay & gave me a good price, but by procrastinating the placing of my order, I lucked out.
I have two Dayclona nosecones,they have twice the matting,and are made with marine grade matting and resin.Just pick up one of Mikes cones,and you will feel the difference! I also have Dayclonas steel internals,and they fit and function as original.As most of you know Mike is a friend of mine,and I don't want to get into the big pissing match over the steel verses fiberglass thing again,I'm just offering some info on how Mikes parts fit,and how there made.I know everybodys budget varies! I'm glad to see more people stepping up to make parts for these cars.
I cut the bottom of the Vega lid off and welded it on to the bottom edge because the radius was that same as the Daytona. Then I bent up my own drip rail and welded it on to that. You do not have to cut all of the back off the Vega, you need it for reinforcement, just down the side of the window and it slides right in with little or no change to the sail panels.
As for nose cones. Almost everyone uses marine grade. When I made my own noses it is actually less expensive and any good quality boat shop will sell it to you for carry out. Stinger uses the same, and is less expensive (650.00) but keep in mind that I would fit each cone to your front end. I alter every nose I get to make it a perfect match. I add and reshape the sides to match the top of the fender and the bottom of the valance. The originals do not match well either, but it seems when you do a clone people want to pick it a part and so I just make them better. I have only seen the Dayclona nose on the internet, but what I can see, they have a good shaped nose.
Stingers wings, that last I checked, are one piece. That may have changed.
Here is that same car = After (above)
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Quote from: chargervert on October 13, 2005, 11:36:49 PM
I'm glad to see more people stepping up to make parts for these cars.
Hey Chargervert,
Are the headlight related parts inside the cone from Dayclona made from steel? I know the package of parts I just got have all of these internals in glass, but if it doesn't work so good I'd rather try the metal. I actually wanted to use metal from the beginning, but since they came with the package I may try it out.
Thanks, Bob
Old Moparz, could you measure the length of the horizontal piece of the wing. Or does someone know how long it is?
Hey old Mopars,all of Mikes internals are made from steel,except the headlight doors,which were fiberglass from the factory,his Z bars are steel,the four piece headlight buckets are steel,the headlight pivots are steel too.He offers the vacuum operated mechanisms,as original,and he offers a motorized electric set up,to actuate the headlights.All of the hardware that is required to mount the buckets into the nosecone,as well as the springs,and the adjustable stops for the headlight doors,are as original,and available from Dayclona! I also recomend the steel latch tray,and the steel Z bars,because the assembled nose is a fairly heavy peice,and those parts are what attach the nosecone to the car(as well as the two mounting brackets that bolt to the Z bars,and the frame of the vehicle.All of Mikes steel parts are NOS quality,and are acurate for an original car,or for a correct looking,and functioning clone.I know Mikes stuff isnt the cheapest stuff out there,but its all made by hand,and you wouldn't beleve the time it takes him to make this stuff! If you want your lights to work correctly this is the way to go!
Hey Bob,if you plan on having your wingcar for a long time,ask Dane to put you on his list for one of his wings,but keep in mind there a bit heavier than the originals,so I would use Dayclonas wing washers,and braces,or you can get the braces from Hot Rod 98! good luck! PETE
Hey Dane the measurement your looking for is 57 3/8
Quote from: Daytona Guy on October 14, 2005, 12:22:56 AM
Old Moparz, could you measure the length of the horizontal piece of the wing. Or does someone know how long it is?
Dane, Do you want the measurement off the aluminum wing you sent to me, or the fiberglass one from Ted Janak? I can get both if you want to compare.
Quote from: chargervert on October 14, 2005, 12:26:46 AM
Hey old Mopars,all of Mikes internals are made from steel,except the headlight doors,which were fiberglass from the factory,his Z bars are steel,the four piece headlight buckets are steel,the headlight pivots are steel too.He offers the vacuum operated mechanisms,as original,and he offers a motorized electric set up,to actuate the headlights.All of the hardware that is required to mount the buckets into the nosecone,as well as the springs,and the adjustable stops for the headlight doors,are as original,and available from Dayclona! I also recomend the steel latch tray,and the steel Z bars,because the assembled nose is a fairly heavy peice,and those parts are what attach the nosecone to the car(as well as the two mounting brackets that bolt to the Z bars,and the frame of the vehicle.All of Mikes steel parts are NOS quality,and are acurate for an original car,or for a correct looking,and functioning clone.I know Mikes stuff isnt the cheapest stuff out there,but its all made by hand,and you wouldn't beleve the time it takes him to make this stuff! If you want your lights to work correctly this is the way to go!
Thanks, I had thought I remembered it being steel. I will make a list of all the pieces I will need & go from there. Whatever parts I have in glass I'll try first since I already have them, like the Z brackets & such. I've seen a few cars that use them & they are stronger than I had expected once it's all assembled. If I don't like it, I'll go with steel. It's good to know they have all the headlight motor parts too.
Bob
:icon_smile_cool: hEY Daytona can anyone get in on this discussion. I just got a new 2006 daytona it has alot of go power. I think if it is ok that we now talk of the new charger and the new daytona. I have a couple of questions. Do you think this is OK or will all the old school guys get mad.
Quote from: 06DaytonaR/T on October 14, 2005, 02:03:06 PM
:icon_smile_cool: hEY Daytona can anyone get in on this discussion. I just got a new 2006 daytona it has alot of go power. I think if it is ok that we now talk of the new charger and the new daytona. I have a couple of questions. Do you think this is OK or will all the old school guys get mad.
Start a new topic with your questions, in the appropriate section of the board.
Keep in mind these guys are building replicas of the Daytona that was built 35 years ago and the only thing it will have in common with your car is the name.
This thread had absolutely nothing to do with an 06 Daytona...nothing. Now go out and buy a 69 or 70 charger and then gather up the parts to build a clone of a real daytona and then reply to these threads. We'll welcome you with open arms, so to speak.
BTW, I own a daytona ram pickup and when I want to talk about daytona ram pickups I go to rumblebee.org.
There's bound to be a website for 4 door chargers somewhere. :icon_smile_big:
Hey Bob,I would think twice about using those glass Z bars,every car that I have seen that has them,has been cracked,split,and patched over,with sheets of fiberglass matting to try to keep the nosecone from falling off the car.I have also seen some of the most creative uses of threaded rod and turn buckles,to aid in the support of the cone.The headlight pivots are another area where I recommend using the steel peices.Those glass pivots will never withstand the stresses of continous headlight operation.You can ask Dane for a second opinion on this,because I have discussed this with him before.I think if you are going to go through all of the labor,and expense,to build your clone,than I would spend a little more and anti up for some steel pivots and Z bars.One guy told me he used screen door hardware to make those glass peices function.I don't want turn buckles,threaded rod and screen door parts on my Daytona!It will be alot easier to install those steel parts now,than it will be to do it after the cone is painted and on the car!Just my advise! I have been both routes!I guess I was tired when I read your thread the other night,I didn't notice that you aready had one of Danes wings.As far as I know Dayclona is the only vendor making steel wing washers,I recommend them also,and Dayclona,and Hot Rod 98 are offering the braces.good lluck with your project PETE
chargervert,
Actually, I just made up 11 sets of the braces as a group buy here on d.c.. Later, when I get some extra time, I might consider building a few sets to help the guys out. For right now, though, I've got way too many things going on. Both Dayclona and Janek sell them.
BTW, I agree with your thinking on the z braces and headlamp buckets. Any time that you can use steel instead of fiberglass it's a no brainer.
I really don't like having to rework stuff that I've already finished. I think that even though they're pretty expensive, I'm going to save up and buy the steel parts. I can certainly see the buckets deteriorating over time due to the vibrations and from the operation of opening and closing the headlamps as well.
I'm hoping to be able to buy one of the first superbird noses from Mike at Dayclona as well for my wife's car.
hotrod98
Mike is currently repairing an original Superbird cone to make the mold from.Thats the problem with the mold making process,you have to have a good peice to mold it from.He had to do extensive repairs to both the Daytona,and Superbird original cones,and then fit them to the cars to check them for fit,then a mold can be constructed.I also forgot to tell Bob,that Mike also has an acurate grill frame,and grille screen available, also,and he can make you that scoop,that you are missing.You may have to sand the opening on your Janak cone a little bit,because Mike made his grill frame to fit the original cone,and I don't know if the thickness of the fiberglass is going to be a factor on the Janak cone.
Welcome to the board daytonalo.You can come and reference off my daytona when you in my area .For help with your replica build up .I used the storm cylinder bracket as its hollow in the center and fits flush to the pivot bracket.And its black and cant be seen. And in time I thought it would egg out the fiberglass connection point and decided on my own this is what I was going to try. So to the reference made by charger vert not wanting to add any non factory pieces in a nose turnbuckles reinforcements etc etc. .I heard from another wing car buddywith a real daytona that was having line up and fitting problems with all factory metal parts that had the headlight doors was below the nose surface.And was recommended by Mike G to do as they have done .Use peel on stick on furniture dot size pads.Which are not found on the factory parts list as well as turn buckles etc mentioned previously.And you do need to have a good wingcar nose core for the mold .My friend had access and used a nos one right out of the box for his daytona nose mold .I wondered if it would have been any different tollerances..As Dane mentioned everyone he does requires massages to fit .They usually dont fit out of the box so as the chargervert remark about the grille opening not compatable with there frames.Mike made his grill frame to fit the original cone,and I don't know if the thickness of the fiberglass is going to be a factor on the Janak cone.
.Even using several different 70 charger fender will yield better results in my opinion as they vary from the factory another thought is what difference would be in a lay up for a part that was taken from a clean parts car that was prevoiusly bolted up or one thats currently being reworked for a mold.As to one nos out of the box never mounted .In my opinion it should be mounted and molded on the car and whatever stresses excerted on it.As with the daytona when the factory butted up those zbars againist the under side of the nose and things were bolted and pulled down in place by the latchtray etc you do get a slight bulge out effect in my opinion.We also had a Gene G metal nose cone aquired in the early 90-s that had to be reworked in the contours.So I dont expect any part be a perfect out of the box fit .Cars and tollerences vary .As in the case of my seen ouch superbird on cars in barns .Wrecked by getting rear ended by a truck driver with only 19'000 original miles on it.Was the donor for all the superbird parts reproduced.As its 2005 were you gonna get a good exceptional unrestored factory painted nose to pull a mold off these days.Another tip is fiberglass shouldnt be air gunned over tightened.This is were and the only time Ive seen parts stressing damage occur.Ive never used any stingers parts to comment on them
I had seen my first Superbird at age 12 or 13 in my neighborhood growing up.And have owned a few wingcars since then.And do all my own mechanical work and rewire cars.Thanks to WW & DSAC for years of informational newsletters
1969 Daytona 440 Presently owned
1970 Coronet 500 383 Presently owned
1970 Superbird 440 U 166242
1970 Superbird 440 U 174597
1970 Superbird 440-6 V 179697
1970 Coronet RT 440 U 224126
1968 Road Runner 426 J 134509
1970 Daytona Replica 318 G 178701
Quote from: wingcars6970 on October 19, 2005, 08:52:39 AM
Welcome to the board daytonalo.You can come and reference off my daytona when you in my area .For help with your replica build up .I used the storm cylinder bracket as its hollow in the center and fits flush to the pivot bracket.And its black and cant be seen. And in time I thought it would egg out the fiberglass connection point and decided on my own this is what I was going to try. So to the reference made by charger vert not wanting to add any non factory pieces in the nose .I heard from another friend with a real daytona that was having line up and fitting problems with all factory metal parts that had the headlight doors was below the nose surface.And was recommended by Mike G to do as they have done .Use peel on stick on furniture dot size pads.Which are not found on the factory parts list as well as turn buckles etc mentioned previously.And you do need to have a good wingcar nose core for the mold .My friend had access and used a nos one right out of the box for his daytona nose mold .I wondered if it would have been any different tollerances. From another one that was taken from a clean parts car that was prevoiusly bolted up.As with the daytona when the factory butted up those zbars againist the under side of the nose and things were bolted and pulled in place you do get a slight bulge out effect in my opinion .As in the case of my seen ouch superbird on cars in barns .Wrecked by getting rear ended by a truck driver with only 19'000 original miles on it.Was the donor for all the superbird parts reproduced.As its 2005 were you gonna get a good exceptional unrestored factory painted nose to pull a mold off these days.
1969 Daytona 440 Presently owned
1970 Coronet 500 383 Presently owned
1970 Superbird 440 U 166242
1970 Superbird 440 U 174597
1970 Superbird 440-6 V 179697
1970 Coronet RT 440 U 224126
1968 Road Runner 426 J 134509
1970 Daytona Replica 318 G 178701
Quote from: wingcars6970 on October 19, 2005, 08:52:39 AM
Welcome to the board daytonalo.You can come and reference off my daytona when you in my area .For help with your replica build up .I used the storm cylinder bracket as its hollow in the center and fits flush to the pivot bracket.And its black and cant be seen. And in time I thought it would egg out the fiberglass connection point and decided on my own this is what I was going to try and has worked out fine. So to the reference made by charger vert not wanting to add any non factory pieces .I heard from another friend with a real daytona that was having line up and fitting problems with all factory metal parts that had the headlight doors was below the nose surface.And was recommended by Mike G to do as they have done .Use peel on stick on furniture dot size pads on the backside of the bucket to shim up the headlight door to the outside nose surface.Which are not found on the factory parts list as well as turn buckles etc mentioned previously.And you do need to have a good wingcar nose core for the mold .My friend had access and used a nos one right out of the box for his daytona nose mold .I wondered if it would have been any different tollerances. From another one that was taken from a clean parts car that was prevoiusly bolted up.As with the daytona when the factory butted up those zbars againist the under side of the nose and things were bolted and pulled in place you do get a slight bulge out effect in my opinion .As in the case of my seen ouch superbird on cars in barns .Wrecked by getting rear ended by a truck driver with only 19'000 original miles on it.Was the donor for all the superbird parts reproduced.As its 2005 were you gonna get a good exceptional unrestored factory painted nose to pull a mold off these days.
1969 Daytona 440 Presently owned
1970 Coronet 500 383 Presently owned
1970 Superbird 440 U 166242
1970 Superbird 440 U 174597
1970 Superbird 440-6 V 179697
1970 Coronet RT 440 U 224126
1968 Road Runner 426 J 134509
1970 Daytona Replica 318 G 178701
Here's some pics of the Ted Janek nose, headlight doors & Z brackets I just got. (Although not from Janek, someone bailed on their Daytona project) The finish on it is very nice, but there are scuffs & minor scratches from being handled recently by the person I got it from. I have no other parts from a different company to compare side by side to give an opinion of which is better, but these look very good compared to fiberglass racing parts I've seen. Sorry the photos aren't the greatest of angles, but the parts were picked up last week when we were hammered with all that rain. I would like to get everything out of the garage & lay it out on a sunny day to get more photos.
(I have larger images if you need them emailed, just didn't want to make them too big on here.)
they look good, how do you attach the nose to the z brackets?
You attach by the 2 straight channel bars.The z bracket bolts to there .And the channel bracket uses the holes if you had a front bumber being mounted.The headlight buckets bolt in with special 9/16 skinny head bolts and 1/4 20 coarse shank.Then the z brackets bolt to the tabs around the headlight opening and inside the nose
Quote from: wingcars6970 on October 19, 2005, 09:06:27 PM
You attach by the 2 straight channel bars.The z bracket bolts to there .And the channel bracket uses the holes if you had a front bumber being mounted.The headlight buckets bolt in with special 9/16 skinny head bolts and 1/4 20 coarse shank.Then the z brackets bolt to the tabs around the headlight opening and inside the nose
Hey Dave,
I'd like to make a trip back down to New Jersey one of these days & see your cars. I know the show season is over, but what NJ shows do you make it to? (Englishtown I'm sure) 'm not anywhere near mounting the nose, but just to be able to see another one & take some pics would be cool. I used to live in NJ & still get to the Paramus area regularly, & sometimes take the family to the shore, so I know my way around. What part of the state are you in? If I recall, are you near Steve (from Moparts) in Atlantic City? I bought his lime '70 Road Runner over the summer.
Bob
hey Old Moparz
let me know if your coming to nj , id like to see wingcars6970 car also. i live in north jersey. hey wingcars6970 i'd like to take some pictures of your cars also. i live in union city . thanks Rene
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 20, 2005, 10:33:01 AM
hey Old Moparz
let me know if your coming to nj , id like to see wingcars6970 car also. i live in north jersey. hey wingcars6970 i'd like to take some pictures of your cars also. i live in union city . thanks Rene
IN sept I was in Westfield, NJ for a wedding......You all in the east do up the weddings pretty good.... the food was amazing...
Quote from: Blown70 on October 20, 2005, 10:45:44 AM
IN sept I was in Westfield, NJ for a wedding......You all in the east do up the weddings pretty good.... the food was amazing...
There's good & bad weddings, & I've been to both. One friends from college had his reception at a place called Leonards on Long Island. Both sides of the family had a "few" dollars to spend, & the cocktail hour spread before the actual meal was better than all the other wedding meals I've been to. :o
There was another friend who had his reception at a VFW post. The party atmosphere was 100 times better than the more expensive one at Leonards, but the food could have been a "little" better. Let's just say if you stopped & picked up some take out Chinese food on the way, you would have eaten better. :D
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 20, 2005, 10:33:01 AM
hey Old Moparz
let me know if your coming to nj , id like to see wingcars6970 car also. i live in north jersey. hey wingcars6970 i'd like to take some pictures of your cars also. i live in union city . thanks Rene
Rene,
If Dave is up to it, I'd be glad to stop by your place on the way.
Bob
cool, we'll go together but you can't hold my hand, ok maybe. i'm a cheap date :icon_smile:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 20, 2005, 12:01:41 PM
cool, we'll go together but you can't hold my hand, ok maybe. i'm a cheap date :icon_smile:
You know, if Dave starts reading this he won't reply & we'll have Mojo & Vain flying east.
Quote from: Old Moparz on October 20, 2005, 11:58:53 AM
Quote from: Blown70 on October 20, 2005, 10:45:44 AM
IN sept I was in Westfield, NJ for a wedding......You all in the east do up the weddings pretty good.... the food was amazing...
There's good & bad weddings, & I've been to both. One friends from college had his reception at a place called Leonards on Long Island. Both sides of the family had a "few" dollars to spend, & the cocktail hour spread before the actual meal was better than all the other wedding meals I've been to. :o
There was another friend who had his reception at a VFW post. The party atmosphere was 100 times better than the more expensive one at Leonards, but the food could have been a "little" better. Let's just say if you stopped & picked up some take out Chinese food on the way, you would have eaten better. :D
Quote from: BigBlockSam on October 20, 2005, 10:33:01 AM
hey Old Moparz
let me know if your coming to nj , id like to see wingcars6970 car also. i live in north jersey. hey wingcars6970 i'd like to take some pictures of your cars also. i live in union city . thanks Rene
Well I am in the mid west we usually get chicken (fried) Mashed potatoes, and corn... Buffet style....
I was not expecting the cocktail part then filet for dinner....and a venetian (sp) desert table....WOW
Ahhhhh,Dave,Dave,Dave!!!!!Why do you have to start again!!!!! First,If Mike told some one to use a stick on bumper,to help with their adjustment of their cone(which I doubt he did)It was probably because the guy has some parts that are tweaked(maybe from an accident)or he has a mismatched group of parts from more than one vendor! And they can easily be peeled back off! Second the biggest problem with the glass kits that are offered is that they don't offer any durable headlight setup that will function properly! You own a real Daytona,and I cannot figure out how you can argue this point!You are telling someone to use srceen door cylindar hardware,and plastic pivots!!!!!!You know they will not withstand the abuse of normal operation,some people like to drive there cars,and not lock them away,and pull them out every decade,and stare at them,and put them back in the garage like you do Dave!!!!! I am trying to help this gentleman build a Daytona,that he can drive,and enjoy!!!!! I do not want to get into my personal problems with your buddy Ted on this forum!!!!! I tried to make the fiberglass peices function,and the hack job that is required to do so is not anything that I want on my car,especially when steel parts that fit and function are available!!!!!Third,I listened to your buddy tell me how 70 Charger hoods,and fenders vary up to 3/8 of an inch,I have 13 70 Charger hoods,ind seven pairs of fenders,and none of them vary more than1/8 of an inch,and most are within a 16th of an inch!!!!!! Do you think this guy can go out at $300.00 to $600.00 per fender,and buy fenders till one fits,I doubt it Dave! Bob the majority of the parts you got will be ok,I would use steel headlight pivots(these pivots are being actuated by a vacuum canister,and they also have spring tension to assist in lifting the headlight assembly),and I strongly recommend using steel Z bars to correctly support the weight of the assembled nosecone.The wing you got from Dane,will work great,just use steel wing washers,and the correct braces,to carry the weight of the solid wing.If you decide to go with the Vega plug,or get a steel plug from Mike,either of those will prevent cracking around the plug! It's up to you Bob,I have been both routes,I hope my input will help you with a Daytona that will be around for the long run!!!!Good Luck with your project!P.S.I go through this with Dave all the time!!!!!
I used to enjoy reading all the Daytona and 500 topics on all boards. However lately it seems i'm reading the same threads over and over again. Can we just agree to disagree?
I mean to me the whole option of whose company to use when cloning a Daytona is up to the individual. Its like a sports event. I love the Miami Dolpins, I have friends who like the Indianapolis Colts. We agree to disagree on who the best team to cheer for it. Now lately their team has been better but for the better half of the last century mine was up on their team. We both get along even though we don't agree on the same football team to cheer for. Likewise for car parts. can't we just agree to disagree. Someone likes Ted's parts, someone likes Dayclona's parts, some people don't like either and just make their own. There is enough people buying these parts to keep all parties in business and people don't all want the same thing. Some want what is the cheapest, some what is the best made. Some just want something that looks good.
Hey 69_500,
I tried to mention that once, but it fell on deaf ears. (Not that I expected anyone to listen to me anyway.)
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,2946.0.html
I was asked for my input,and I gave it! If it helps you guys out,thats great,if you want to learn the hardway,like I did,then suit yourselfs! Like I said earlier,I know everyones budget is different,and you have to work with what you got! I probably shouldn't give a shit, But I do,and if I have information that can save some one some greif then certainly I will try to help! I got my parts,enough for both wingcars I am building! I intend to drive my wingcars,and I know mine will be around for the long run! If my threads make for unpleasant reading for some people,but save some one some greif,then I think their worth their merit!
you know. your last post is insulting to alot of us that have been customizing cars, trucks, and boats for 30 yrs. anything i build we be around for the long run and i run the shit out of my vehicle, on the street and on the strip. we're not kids . we've learned alittle something over the yrs. i had a room full of awards for my vehicles.
yes steel is stronger than fiberglass, we all know that but fiberglass works . when done correctly. so give all this shit a break. we're all friends here. and don't want to keep hearing your feud. Rene
This is what you get when you offer help to people,I specifically stated that I didn't want to start a pissin match,and I offered my experiences to the guy who asked!I have been building Mopars for over twenty five years,and I never said anything about you,or your abilities to build cars.I have owned about 150 Mopars,over the years,so your not telling me anything I don't know! If you want plastic parts on your wingcar,than thats your perogitive,and I wish you good luck with it! Part of having a forum like this is to share information,and if someone has a bad experience with a vendor,than people who are going to deal with that vendor may want to know. If you or anyone else feels insulted by me trying to help a someone build a durable functioning wingcar,it was just my advise,you can take it or leave it!
Personally, I figure my biggest problem is just going to be able to get the parts to begin with. I've already made calls to the people that I had planned to get parts from and it doesn't look good. I had hoped to get some of the car finished this winter, but that's not going to happen.
The part that I hate is that I had planned to use two different vendors for parts and these vendors don't like someone using the other guy's parts. Makes it a little more complicated. Beginning to think that I should just buy someone else's unfinished project. Anyone know of a daytona or superbird clone project for sale in the mid south area of the U.S.? (Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana)
I don't have the time to drive halfway across the country to look at a car.
Hey Pete, the comment wasn't intended to pointed solely at you. It just seems lately that there has been a bit of an argument going on between you and Dave. I understand you two disagree and that is fine. Both of you have a difference of opinions.
I have no problem with either one of your guys views. I know how you sat for years waiting on parts and finally got some from Dayclona. I also have heard of others that didn't have to wait forever to get Ted's parts and were happy with them.
I was just trying to get it back to discussing what parts are good for the cars and not so much of an arguemnt.
Thanks its ok 69 500 The differences are I defend my friend and longtime parts supplier.As we built many of cars and to date.Were Ive gotten parts from and had no defects.As you are led to believe that all parts from TX are somehow inferior as dayclona and associates dictate.Though I can present many to this day known cars with fiberglass parts and 0 problems who bought and installed parts in the late 77-78 and early 80-s and to current day .And find that not acceptable .But all this comes from a dayclona orginization and there associates whos sole purpose is to solicit here and pedal his friends Mikes parts. While taking shots at the competetion in TX.I only speak up for my friend and his parts when they are under attack.Im not doing a sales pitch in every thread.Or making negative evaluatations of anyone else who supplys this wing car parts and clone industry .Thats your differences
I understand what your saying Dave.
We all like different things. I personally haven't ever bought parts from either so I'm on the fence. I have heard good things about both places though. It seems that everyone has their own opinions on everything, and that is fine.
I just like to read positive post on here about what is a good item. If you think something is good promote it, but don't bash someone for choosing to use a different part.
I agree with you almost 100%. The only exception is if you know of a real problem with a certain part, it would be nice to know about it so that someone might be able to look a little closer before buying that part. I think that if there is a problem with a particular product then that vendor just might correct it if he knew that it was being discussed on an open forum. Overall bashing of a vendor is not cool though in any case. Just my 2 cents.
Thats fair enough Enough said.Thanks guys
Quote from: 69_500 on October 27, 2005, 09:52:04 PM
I understand what your saying Dave.
Well at least someone understands that kaotic boomhower ranting? thought this was done dave? guess not; first and foremost, dave; I'm not "here" to solicit business, as I have "WELL" more than I can handle, why would I "look" for more!as "business" solicits me!, not I to it!...........second, there is NO, I REPEAT, NO "COMPETITION " from teXas, never was, never will be! (g.i.g.o.).......third, dave, and anyone else who thinks that as a vendor, I should kiss ass, or be politicaly correct, and/ or non opinionated,................I don't think so! ...........last, but not least; ....dave, you want to "defend" your friend ,(tedrick) that's your right, But; remember you can "white wash" it here; but as a vendor I hear of the "disdain" with teXas from callers daily!.............................................I usally just observe this and other boards, sometimes I have to respond to idiots like dopey dave!...............................so dave let it die! ..............you got a response from me, a "solicited" response! that is what you wanted?
mike g./ DAYCLONA
Quote from: hotrod98 on October 28, 2005, 08:28:13 AM
Overall bashing of a vendor is not cool though in any case.
:iagree:
Words to live by that have apparently been ignored by some...
:rotz:
Hey Hot Rod 98,I asked Dave a year ago,in a P.M.what Ted did to me,and not to push Teds bad service,on other guys who want to build wingcars!He wouldn,t let up, so I told the people on Moparts what he did to me!It shouldn't take five years to get the parts that he promised in 6 to 8 weeks,I shouldn't have had to call him collect,weekly for almost five years!He shouldn't have offered the nosecone I waited almost five years to someone else while I was trying to give him the sale of a second nosecone!I shouldn't have had to pay almost $300.00 for two wooden shipping crates,only to have my parts finally show up after years of waiting,in old cardboard water heater boxes!The prices of his parts doubled while I waited to get them!Ted supposedly came up to Carlsile to" make things right with me",and I told him just refund me the money for the crates,and I would let the other things go,and let this issue die!He offered to buy me a hamburger to forget the whole thing!I told him I wanted the money for the crates,he said,he would have to pro rate it because he charges $95.00 per hour to chuck the parts in an old water heater box,and he figures he spent about four hours doing that!He said he would get back to me before the end of the weekend,but he didn't ever get back to me!I did see him one more time that weekend,he was picking two large cardboard boxes out of the trash,and he had the nerve to drag them right by me!!!! I figure those are the next poor SOB's $300.00 shipping crates! I beleve thats reason enough to warn other people about this vendor! After realizing that I was dealing with an IDOIT,I had decided to cut my losses,and let the issue die! Then Dave starts dredging it back up again on this forum!Mike is my friend,and he dosent need me,or anyone else to promote his parts,his incredible workmanship speaks for itself! Mike was on Teds waiting list for years too,and after not seeing a single part from Texas,he decided to make his own parts from steel,that would fit and function as original! You people should be glad that someone had the skill and talent to make these parts available to everyone!If Dave says my alligations are unfounded,and that I am a liar,than why would Ted try to "make things right with me"So I say to you Dave if you really want to let this issue die,then do so!stop taking cheap shots at Dayclona,Tell your friend to provide better service to his customers,get people their parts in a reasonable amount of time,don't raise the prices on people,while they wait years for you to make their parts,and don't charge people for wooden shipping crates,then send their fragile(thats the way you spell fragile Ted,not FRAGLE)in old boxes you picked from the trash!and finally tell him not to offer the parts that people have waited nearly five years for,to other people!With that said,I will let the issue die,unless Dave dredges it back up again! Its your call Dave!
chargervert,
I sent you a p.m.
I have a question that partains to this issue sort of but was waiting to ask it. Has anyone seen the steel nose cones the guy in Georgia is making? How are they?
If you're referring to Jack McGaughey, I asked him about the steel noses earlier this year. He said that at this point he is only repairing original noses. The nose on his website is one that he is repairing. He said that he may build some at a later date for the birds, but he didn't have an original daytona nose to build the buck from to build the daytona noses. He hadn't really set the price, but talked like they would run 7k or more.
Gene Gregory (the shaker hood guy) came by my shop yesterday and we talked about him building more steel noses. He said that he may start again and that they would run 10k. He also said that he has the steel trunk caps and would build a 500/daytona deck lid that would pass for an original for $1000, completed. Many years ago, he built 50 of each style noses. He said that you couldn't tell them from the original noses, except his were a little nicer looking. He said that a lot of the steel noses on the original cars are not the original noses. They were prone to rusting badly from the inside out. I'm sure that a lot of the owners either don't realize that they've been replaced or don't really advertise that they're not original. Either way, all of his noses were sold, so they're out there somewhere.
He also told me that the wing braces for the superbird wing were different than the daytona wing braces. I thought that they were the same. Anyone know the difference?
http://www.stingerfiberglass.com/products/daytona/index.shtml
Quote from: hotrod98 on October 30, 2005, 12:42:48 PM
He also told me that the wing braces for the superbird wing were different than the daytona wing braces. I thought that they were the same. Anyone know the difference?
Larry,
When I get home later I can post some photos of my friend's Superbird braces. I took pics of them, & the inside of the quarters over the summer, to show some damage I did during a guide rail strength test on I-84. ::) I don't know how different they might be, but if you can compare photos it may help. I
can tell you that the tops of the quarters on my '68 Charger & my '70 Road Runner are different, & at different angles. Maybe that changes the height of the braces? The RR is more horizontal than the slope of the Charger.
Bob
Dads69, you bought the back half of a 69 Charger 500? And 3 deck lids? Do you happen to know the VIN of the Charger 500 you purchased the back half of? It should have the vin in the trunk seal under the rubber.
the bottom mounting plates are differant and the wing washers are differant but i think the actual brace itself are the same. Rene
Quote from: 69_500 on November 11, 2005, 09:34:18 AM
Dads69, you bought the back half of a 69 Charger 500? And 3 deck lids? Do you happen to know the VIN of the Charger 500 you purchased the back half of? It should have the vin in the trunk seal under the rubber.
i thought that stamping was cut out when they grafted in the window plug? I didnt see that number on my car. maybe i need to look a little harder ???
I thought the bottom of the plug comes in right at where the stampings were supposed to be.
Quote from: BigBlockSam
the bottom mounting plates are differant and the wing washers are differant but i think the actual brace itself are the same. Rene
The reference material I have gives two separate part numbers for each brace - a forward and a rear brace. That same reference material states that the forward brace is the same as a Superbird, but the rear is different. That would jive with what OldMoparz said earlier, that the Superbird quarters are more horizontal, whereas the Daytona/Charger's quarters are more sloped to the rear. The Superbird's wing is also mounted farther forward on the quarter than the Daytona's, which allows the brace to be raked back but not protrude past the end of the car at the top. One of the two pieces comprising each brace is supposedly the same on 'Birds and Daytonas, the other is specific to the model.
Here are the part numbers I have:
3412784-5 Wing brace, forward (same as Superbird)
3412790-1 Wing brace, rear
Incidentally, those part numbers have been NS-1 at the dealers since about a week after the cars were shipped out from Creative Industries. :rotz:
Gene
Quote from: AllBlueRT on November 11, 2005, 11:31:55 AM
I thought the bottom of the plug comes in right at where the stampings were supposed to be.
I've got exactly 11" between the window plug and the beginning of the partial VIN sequence on the trunk lip on my car.
Did they skootch that stamping down a little on the XX cars, anticipating the window plug?
:shruggy: :scope:
Mine is the same as Geno's. 11" from the plug to the partial vin. However mine is very had to read from the underneath side. Would be easiest seen without the trunk seal on top of it. Then again mine is a a little over half way through the run of 500's, and it is XX everywhere. Buildsheet, fender tag, and VIN.
Thanks for the info re the braces. It makes sense that they would be different. I built two sets of the daytona braces for myself and may see if I can just alter one of the sets to use on my wife's superbird clone later. Don't see where they would have to be identical to original since nothing else will be the same either.
Quote from: 69_500 on November 11, 2005, 01:16:55 PM
Mine is the same as Geno's. 11" from the plug to the partial vin. However mine is very had to read from the underneath side. Would be easiest seen without the trunk seal on top of it. Then again mine is a a little over half way through the run of 500's, and it is XX everywhere. Buildsheet, fender tag, and VIN.
11" from where? the bottom of the window channel? or where the plug meets the deck lid channel? if its the deck lid channel then i'm thinking 11" from there will get you right to the tail light panel....?
Guess my mystery will be solved when i get home i two hours.....
Quote from: PocketThunder on November 11, 2005, 04:07:09 PM
11" from where? the bottom of the window channel? or where the plug meets the deck lid channel? if its the deck lid channel then i'm thinking 11" from there will get you right to the tail light panel....?
I measured from where the plug bends down to meet the deck lid channel. More or less the beginning of the outer decklid opening. It would be a little smaller dimension if I measured from the inside of the opening. Since my trunk weatherstripping is loose, I just moved it out of the way and laid the tape measure right on top of the lip, and ran it up until it made contact with the window plug.
That trunk opening is small, but it isn't that small. There are still a couple of inches from the end of the VIN sequence to where the lip really starts to bend around and meet the tail light panel, so it is somewhat close - but there is space. You'll see what I mean when you take a look at your car, PT.
Its only about 16 inches total opening. So yeah its more or less pretty close to the tail panel.
I found the photos of the braces in my friend's bird, & they're different from what I remembered. They look a bit crude or home made. I couldn't say whether this is what they are supposed to be or not, but will ask my friend later when I talk to him. The car is a real Superbird he's had since the late 70's, but changed hands a few times before he got it.
Sorry, but these are the only two I took.
Driver's Side Superbird Brace:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/OldMoparz/Parts%20Photos/SuperbirdDriversBrace.jpg)
Passenger's Side Superbird Brace:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/OldMoparz/Parts%20Photos/SuperbirdPassengersBrace.jpg)
They definitely look home made. Wonder what happened to the original braces for that car? All of the braces that I've seen on real birds look almost just like the daytona braces.
that looks like some modern engineering ???
Those braces don't look right to me either.
:rotz:
Quote from: Old Moparz on November 13, 2005, 11:07:50 AM
I found the photos of the braces in my friend's bird, & they're different from what I remembered. They look a bit crude or home made. I couldn't say whether this is what they are supposed to be or not, but will ask my friend later when I talk to him. The car is a real Superbird he's had since the late 70's, but changed hands a few times before he got it.
Sorry, but these are the only two I took.
Driver's Side Superbird Brace:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/OldMoparz/Parts%20Photos/SuperbirdDriversBrace.jpg)
Passenger's Side Superbird Brace:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/OldMoparz/Parts%20Photos/SuperbirdPassengersBrace.jpg)
:rotz:
Those braces look like they were home engineered.Dont look factory to me at all. Also they didnt get painted body color they will be black.It does appear to be a real superbird.I see the pass side scissors jack hold down bolt showing
1969 Daytona 440 Presently owned
1970 Coronet 500 383 Presently owned
1970 Superbird 440 U 166242
1970 Superbird 440 U 174597
1970 Superbird 440-6 V 179697
1970 Coronet RT 440 U 224126
1968 Road Runner 426 J 134509
1970 Daytona Replica 318 G 178701
Need wing washers and bracing for clone . who is making these parts , I refuse to pay mikes prices .
i made my wing washers out of 060 steel. i don't think you should use fiberglass ones with a solid aluminum wing. janek has the best price for trunk bracing, just make sure there made of metal. Rene
Quote from: wingcars6970 on November 23, 2005, 12:27:05 AM
Those braces look like they were home engineered.Dont look factory to me at all. Also they didnt get painted body color they will be black.It does appear to be a real superbird.I see the pass side scissors jack hold down bolt showing
Dave,
Yes, it's a real Bird & Craig has had it since the late 70's. It has a different 440 in it, a '72 HP block if I recall that was swapped before he bought it. As far as I know, the 4 speed & the Dana are original, as well as most of everything else that's unique to the Bird. It's been kept up on & actually going to be repainted soon if it hasn't been yet. I'm also trying to get some wheel & tire info for Craig so he can make up his mind what wheels to put on it. He likes the slots, but the offset is wrong & the tires rub if the air shocks aren't raised. (They're going to be swapped too.)
Here's a pic from about a year & a half ago:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/OldMoparz/Misc%20Photos/WhiteBird.jpg)
Daytonalo,or is it Daytonalow priced parts! You get what you pay for! Mike made his wing washers from the originals that came with my original wing.As far as I know,Mike is the only person making as original wing washers with the correct impressions on them,and some of those other guys braces will dent the top of your rear quarters,leaving an ugly outward dent in the top of your freshly painted rear quarter panels! Mike has had to correct other guys braces after the damage was done to there freshly painted and striped cars!Do what you want,but don't say I didn't tell you so!
ok chargervert you seem to suck up to dayclona, all the time. there's been alot of clones before dayclona .show us some of your creations. I've yet to see one of your creations. a wing washer is a big washer. it's real easy to make , it just won't look exactly like the original. who the the fuck cares it's a clone.
i don't think a dayclona wing washer can handle the weight of a solid aluminum wing, and yea they cost a fucking lot. Peace Rene
Quote from: chargervert on November 23, 2005, 09:08:21 PM
\As far as I know,Mike is the only person making as original wing washers with the correct impressions on them,and some of those other guys braces will dent the top of your rear quarters,leaving an ugly outward dent in the top of your freshly painted rear quarter panels!
I would have to disagree on this. I made my own washers out of wood and the aluminum wing sits on there perfectly. No dents. You have to remember you are
not dealing with a japanese paper thin fender. I'm sitting on mine and it holds the weight without any problems and no braces in the trunk yet(have not had the time to install them). These fenders will take more abuse than you think they can take.
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 24, 2005, 01:03:21 AM
ok chargervert you seem to suck up to dayclona, all the time. there's been alot of clones before dayclona .show us some of your creations. I've yet to see one of your creations. a wing washer is a big washer. it's real easy to make , it just won't look exactly like the original. who the the fuck cares it's a clone.
i don't think a dayclona wing washer can handle the weight of a solid aluminum wing, and yea they cost a fucking lot. Peace Rene
:iagree:
hey thallium
your car must be made of harder metal then mine. i just put the wing on the back with no bolts just to see how it looked. and the top of the quarter metal was flexing. i know Dane agrees with you but i just don't see it.
hey hows it going with the fenders and nose mounting. any pics.
have a good thanksgiving . Rene
Well Rene,Its like this,Mike is my friend,and has been for twenty years!If that bothers you oh well! My Charger convertible was featured in Mopar Action Febuary 2003,if you want to see my workman ship!It was also in the Chrysler invitational building at the all Chrysler Nationals,AkA the 'T' building in 2004!Once again I'm trying to tell someone that Mike had to fix someone elses braces because they did damage to a freshly painted car,and I get more shit from you! I try to tell people whats happening,and warn them of the problems that some people are having with there clones!I am building two clones,and I dont know about the rest of you guys out there,but I don't want people to say lok at that one its just a clone,I want mine to look like the real deal!
Quote I get more shit from you!
yea you will get more shit from me. i don't know if you are or not. but by the way you write you come off like an obnoxious , know it all. on another post you ended it with " your not telling me anything" I've met alot of those guys at mopar events.
Mike from dayclona has been cool with me. i bought some parking lights from him. good price and good shipping time. i got no beef with him. you just put down any clone thats not his and thats not cool.
i don't want a beef with you either. there's alot of people here that i respect there knowledge . they've earned that.
your cars sound like nice cars, lets see some pictures there Mr. know it all, Peace Rene
If you use wing bracing the marital that the wing washers are made of I believe is irrelevant, because all of the weight is transferred to the wing brace and then to the trunk. Wing washers sure up the metal around the out side under the bottom of the wing. (Can you say snuggle) . The wing washers were designed first to be adequate by them selves. (dealer installed wings only came with wing washers and no braces) The bracing was added later after testing at high speeds found further reinforcement was needed. (wing bracing).
Let's try to stay civil on the forum so a post with good info doesn't go bad & get locked. Not to take someone's side or drive a wedge in between anyone, but I did see Chargervert's car at Carlisle a few years ago. I think it was the first time it was there, & I took tons of pictures of it. It's a very nice car, & the work on it was good. I also got to speak to him about it & thought he was a decent guy who wasn't stuck up over the car too.
There are a lot of people I haven't met, but most so far are good people. It would be great to meet more & not worry about who's saying what about others & their cars. Personally, I won't lose sleep over who hates who, but it would be good to have the threads stay open so everyone can read & share things.
Just my 2 cents, Bob
Thanks Bob,for the kind words, If some of these guys knew the time it takes Mike to make these parts,they might understand,why they are priced that way! They think that he should work for hours and hours for free! Maybe its just me,but if you are going to build a clone,it shouldn't be obvious that the car is a clone. Mike,as well as Jack Mcgaughy,are the only people who actually made there parts,and checked them for fit,and function. I know Erik Nelson is currently assembling his nosecone,and if his parts have any problems he will know about them when he is finished and the cone is on the car.(Mike already helped Erik with his headlight pivots) The guys who are making the quality parts for these cars,have a lot of time and money invested in the fabrication of those pieces! They don't sell Daytona parts at Wal Mart!!!!! I'm not looking to beef with other Mopar inthuiests,some people may not care for my tell it like it is approach,but I consider the info that I'm trying to pass on to be factual,and acurate.My Daytona clone will have to wait its turn for resto,but the nosecone is completely assembled and is on the car,and everything fits and functions correctly.My car is a Charger 500,so the window plug was installed by creative industries in 69,and I have an original wing.Thanks to Mike,I will have a correct appearing wingcar clone.I don't like to blow my own horn,but since Rene asked for pictures,thats why I mensioned the magazine.I dont have any photos of the car on my computer.
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 24, 2005, 01:03:21 AM
ok chargervert you seem to suck up to dayclona, all the time. there's been alot of clones before dayclona .show us some of your creations. I've yet to see one of your creations. a wing washer is a big washer. it's real easy to make , it just won't look exactly like the original. who the the fuck cares it's a clone.
i don't think a dayclona wing washer can handle the weight of a solid aluminum wing, and yea they cost a fucking lot. Peace Rene
Rene', Pete,a.k.a. chargervert; isn't sucking up to DAYCLONA as you suggest!....merely trying to warn Daytonalo about a problem with some wing braces out there, the Janak braces which have been copied by other wingcar vendors, but never checked against originals, or installed are plaqued with a serious problem that Chargervert mentioned. ( I can hear Wingnut 69/70 now! dave before you go off the deep end! defending Janak, keep in mind, I've had several sets of his braces in my possesion, I currently have a set!and would "love" to put in your "original" daytona, only a "little" rework/bodywork needed after installation!........and if need be, I'll supply you/ted with the phone# 's of a few janak brace users that have a "bone to pick" re:(brake) with him!.........enough of this crap................and Rene', yes Chargervert is truly a "know it all", because if you knew him!, you'd find that besides being known by allmost everbody in the hobby, having owned more Mopars than any one human could! having bought and sold countless cars,parts, NOS and used......and just being too helpful to anybody with mopar pulsing in their veins! he's anthing but "obnoxious or sucking up"..........if any thing, I see some of you guys here sucking up so hard! you have yellow paint on your lips!................duh!...................................and in regards to my (DAYCLONA) wing washers not withstanding a solid aluminum wing.............1st, I would never mount that much weight on the rear quarters, nor want to see the results of doing that at 120-150mph!......you are planning on going that fast, aren't you?..........wingcars are for flying!................I'm not here to promote any of my "products", just compare "notes" and offer my experience of being involved in mopars for the last 30 years!....25 of those years manufacuring/selling E-body and wingcar repros.......ahhh! the good ole days when nobody liked Mopars, now everybody wants to be a winger! :rotz:
YOU RULE MIKE!!!!!!!(sucking sounds in the back round!!!!!!!)Ive got three fingers on my forehead in the shape of a "W"!!!!!! :devil:
hey chargervert
it seems that i have read you wrong. it's tough to gauge someone when reading , instead of talking to them. you will get no more shit from me. :cheers:
yes i plan on taking my car on the speedway to see what it can do. i drive the wheels off my cars. :drive:
the wing braces i have are an original set off a totaled daytona i found in a junk yard, yes in a junk yard in the late 70's. there wasn't much left to the car so i took what i could. i've loved these wing cars for a very long time. but have never been able to afford one. thats why i'm building one. i want it to be as correct as i can. i sent my wing braces to larry-hotrod98. he copied them and sold them to anybody on the board that wanted them at cost. i know how tight money can be and just wanted to help other wing car lovers achieve there dream. . Peace Rene
ps i suck up to no one, i am a self made man , no paint of any color on my lips. O0
Rene,no hard feelings from me man! I just try to tell these guys what I have gone through with my wingcar clone! I tell the good the bad and the ugly!Sometimes it fustrates me,when I tell someone what happened to me,and they bash me for it! This is a turning point in the wingcar hobby,Mike and a few other guys have stepped up to the plate,and have made an acurate,and functional wingcar a reality for us! What I am trying to tell people,is that parts that are durable,and fit and function correctly,are being reproduced! No there not cheap! Mike dosent have stamping presses,its all hand made,and it takes a lot of time to reproduce them.I don't know what process Jack,and Erik are using to make their parts,but I have met Jack at the Mopar Nats,and have seen his workmanship,and its very good!I'm glad that you scored an original set of braces,and that hot rod 98 reproed them.I was extatic when I scored my original wing,and wingwashers! I commend hot rod98 for also stepping up to the plate for you guys!Thats what Mike did for myself,and my friend Gary,who built the 71 wingcars!And I can't thank Mike enough! I know that money is an issue when building a wingcar clone,(I'm not made of money either)but some parts will cost you more in the long run,than if you just antied up in the begining! I would like to see everyone who wants a wingcar,have one,and have one that people have to really do there homework to tell that its not the real thing!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/OldMoparz/Wacky%20Photos/MetalPlastic.jpg)
Hey Bob,thats too funny!!!!!!,if you think I'm opinionated about wingcar parts,I'm even more opinionated about how its just not right for two sweaty men to be rolling around on the floor together!
Well at least we can agree on that.
BTW, adding a wing that is 35 pounds more (than an original wing) that can produce 400+ pounds of down force is a mute point.
I hope no one is running down Dayclona for their price. They do incredible work. The point is that not everyone can afford it. Just because one can't afford the higher quality part does not mean they shouldn't or can't build a Daytona. Admittedly it will not be as valuable or have the quality, but one can still do it and have fun. I do.
I will have to say this, Chargervert has been very nice to me everytime that I have talked to him. I had chatted to him quite a bit over on Moparts before he began posting here. Very informative person. I'm looking forward to one day seeing his 500 that he is cloning into a Daytona. I personally wish he would leave it a 500, but that is my opinion. I don't have any problem with him making it a Daytona, as to me if down the road he sells the car, it is easily turned back into a 500 without an extreme amount of work. I have also checked out the cars that Dayclona has made over the years, as they have been at various shows. They do incredible work in my opinion.
As far as the parts that Janek makes. I haven't ever really examined any of their parts up close and personal so I have no opinion of those at all.
My dream is to have a matching Daytona and a 500. Both of same color inside, and out. but I want the Daytona to be a 4 speed. Only problem is coming up with the money. Same problem as everyone else it seems. However I don't think I'll ever go the route of cloning a Daytona. I think I'll just remain patient and eventually I'll be able to get a real 4 speed Daytona.
Thanks 69 500,I am to far into the Daytona project,using the 500,to turn back.I don't want to rule out putting it back,but it is probably not going to happen! When I bought the car,I was going to keep it original,but then I found an original wing,and that sealed the cars fate! At the time that I bought this car,nobody gave 500s any respect,they were the Chargers with the ugly grilles that nobody wanted,no matter how rare they were! on top of that my 500 is missing its matching numbers motor,and has all of the rust of a typical New England car,so I did not think I was hurting too much by making my dream wingcar from! I have my parts from mike to complete the nose,and the original wing to complete the rear.I bought two rust free California cut off quarters to get the body in shape,and its just waiting for me to finish the new garage,and do two other Mopars that have been waiting for me to get to,then I will get to it! I hope you find the Daytona you are looking for,If not people like Mike can help you build a clone of it that you can drive,and enjoy everyday!I saw your 500,its a really nice car! I enjoyed talking to you! I have met a lot of really good people through this hobby,including some of my best friends! There are a lot more good people I have yet to meet!
from looking around i say it would be best to go with danes wing,hot rod 98's wing brackets,dayclonas nose,headlight doors etc. and the rest seesm to be the best bet 2 save money would to get the rest from stinger. (and as for the rear plug i would personaly go with dayclonas plug. exspensive ? YES worth it? YES but if you wana save$$ go with the vega plug save $$$ on glass and trim. thats my 2 bits-MATT
if i were to do it again i would consider dayclona's window plug too. i thought the vega plug was a better match than it is. i think the time you save in labor makes it worth while. Rene
Quote from: F8 69 CHARGER PUNK on November 25, 2005, 05:17:48 PM
from looking around i say it would be best to go with danes wing,hot rod 98's wing brackets,dayclonas nose,headlight doors etc. and the rest seesm to be the best bet 2 save money would to get the rest from stinger. (and as for the rear plug i would personaly go with dayclonas plug. exspensive ? YES worth it? YES but if you wana save$$ go with the vega plug save $$$ on glass and trim. thats my 2 bits-MATT
Well said Charger Punk, the whole idea here is: it's your car, your money, your labor, your choice of vendors, either one stop shopping, or mix it up between vendors to get the best deal/parts for your money!......I personally have no problem directing people to other wingcar vendors when I can't meet their requests!( although I might dislike Janaks customer relations, and some of his products, I do direct people his way, although enlightened!)................I don't sit here and sprout that my repros are the best, thats for you the consumer/ end user to determine ; and if you don't like my products/ service/ prices/ customer relations,.........don't be afraid to tell me, ............this or any web/board site your opinion,..........your intitled to it,............just as I'm intitled to my opinions, good or bad,...........although; I do like to base my opinions on facts and experience(s)....................thanks, Mike/DAYCLONA :icon_smile_cool:
I think that you guys are getting what I was trying to tell you! I have found through my experences,that some of the glass parts will work perfectly fine,but the parts that are structual,or will be bonded to metal,will cause problems down the line. If you have the coin,and you want an as original clone,than using a mix from the current vendors can produce an as original wingcar! Gene Gregory,and Jack McGaughy,can make a steel,as original nosecone,Mikes headlight buckets,Z bars,front valance,and spoiler,Mikes rear window plug,and a repro glass rear window,and Danes wing can make an as original wingcar possible! Mikes wing washers are as original,and the scoops,and braces that are made by most of the vendors are ok,just check them for fit before you crank them down to the quarter panel.Erik Nelson is now offering the A pillar chrome moldings,and some of the vendors are looking into as original rear window chrome. For those guys who don't have that kind of budget,then a mix of parts from the current vendors,like Charger punk was saying,can still produce a wingcar,that will have function,and longevity! I strongly recommend that people don't skimp on the structual parts,like wings(Danes wing,and Mikes steel wing will never crack, warp,or delaminate on you.And steel Zeebars are a must,headlights that function are a must,and wing washers and braces are a must.The rear window plug should be steel,weather you use the Vega plug or the Dayclona plug,is up to you guys,and the constraints of your budget!which ever way you go,>it will be a welded steel plug that will move with the rest of the body are will have far less chance of cracking! this is just my opinion,and advise,I hope it helps you guys out.
Shouldn't you be out framing a garage wall..... :icon_smile_shock: :icon_smile_big:
And here's that pic you wanted
Yeah your dam right I should be! Since when does Pam let you near the key board! I picked up the beam,the other day,and I'm going to start framing today! Just tryin to work up the bission!Ill see you guys at six!
I'm hoping to be able to finally see your completed Daytona clone car in the future. Thanks for the compliment on my 500. Its far from a very nice car, but its presentable. It is what I call a driver. It has its dings, and scratches, but then again that means I don't feel so bad about putting nearly 8,000 miles on it this year. One of these days I"ll get it repainted, and some odds and ends here and there freshened up. Then again one of these days I am still planning on picking up a Daytona too. So who knows, the "one of these days" might be 25 years down the road.
I will say this, if I was going to clone a wing car I'd use dayclona's rear window plug, and a steel wing, and one of Jacks nose cones. Although is Jack offering complete nose cones or just repairing origionals still?
I know that Jack was doing complete Superbird nosecones,and had only repaired a Daytona cone for someone. I heard that Gene Gregory was again offering comple Daytona nosecones again. I know that Mike could make steel cones,but he figures that the amount of labor that is involved with making them,and the fact that other guys are making them,he feels that theres no need to reinvent the wheel. I saw one of Genes cones at Carlsile,about 8 years ago,and it was a sweet peice,the price was $3500.00.Though it seemed like a lot of coin at the time,I wish I would have bought it! I beleve he gets 10 K for them now!
Quote from: Daytona Guy on November 25, 2005, 01:15:47 AM
BTW, adding.. pounds... (than an original wing) can produce 400+ pounds of down force...
MG=400+ lbs downforce :o :shruggy: :nana: :punkrocka: :stirthepot: :lolexplode: :nutkick: :slap: :thumbs:
What the heck is on the wing of that yellow Daytona??? :smilie_help:
Quote from: G-Series on November 26, 2005, 10:07:19 PM
Quote from: Daytona Guy on November 25, 2005, 01:15:47 AM
BTW, adding.. pounds... (than an original wing) can produce 400+ pounds of down force...
MG=400+ lbs downforce :o :shruggy: :nana: :punkrocka: :stirthepot: :lolexplode: :nutkick: :slap: :thumbs:
For that "kind" of increased down force, I highly recommend a solid wing, wingwashers, braces, and one hell'va set of air shocks! :o
Thats why its so important to have those wingwashers,and braces!!!!!!!I thought he said it weighed 35 LBS more,not 350lbs more!!!!!!! SCH---WING!!!!!!!!!Its Danes world,Its Danes world!!!!! :icon_smile_big: :rotz: ???
Quote from: OneBadSuperbird on November 26, 2005, 10:29:30 PM
What the heck is on the wing of that yellow Daytona??? :smilie_help:
That looks like one of them thar Guntassaurus Rex's, gettin' large on a Dodge. That thar vehicle must have been visitin' Jurassic Gock. Dang!!! That ain' right!
Thats just not right!!!thats just sooooooo wrong Thats maxium gunt!!!!!!no Charger can with stand that kind of stress!!!!!!!! :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz:
Quote from: chargervert on November 27, 2005, 10:03:22 PM
Thats just not right!!!thats just sooooooo wrong Thats maxium gunt!!!!!!no Charger can with stand that kind of stress!!!!!!!! :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz:
Sho 'nuff, Chargervert. It's plain to see that 'n weighs in at more'n tree fitty. Ah reckon she runs around fo' hunnit.
An' what's with that feller not having 'nough respect for his kin like that? If you take a notion to set your wife on your car like that, least wise have her covered up proper. I mean, she's a fine woman and all, but in the name of all that's right n' holy!!! :angel: Ain' he never heard of "lead thee not into temptation"? I dang near broke the laws of covetin' thy neighbors wife. That ain' right. :flame:
Hey 70 Gen,fore yu be temped into carnal copolation,and acts of fornicatin,yu is gonna be needin a power fork liftin deevice of some kind to be gettin that beauty down off that wing!!!!! I can see why yu is so roused with all that flesh hangin under that wing!!!!!! that belly button can really push a god fearin man over the edge!!!!! ; :rotz:I think Dane might to be wantin to keep all that lovin fur himself! He might not take too kindly to yu tryin to move in on his sister,I mean his girl!!!!! Now I now why hes a needin such a sturdy wing!!!!!! :icon_smile_big:
Dayumm, you guys! :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: chargervert on November 28, 2005, 04:57:24 PM
Hey 70 Gen,fore yu be temped into carnal copolation,and acts of fornicatin,yu is gonna be needin a power fork liftin deevice of some kind to be gettin that beauty down off that wing!!!!! I can see why yu is so roused with all that flesh hangin under that wing!!!!!! that belly button can really push a god fearin man over the edge!!!!! ; :rotz:I think Dane might to be wantin to keep all that lovin fur himself! He might not take too kindly to yu tryin to move in on his sister,I mean his girl!!!!! Now I now why hes a needin such a sturdy wing!!!!!! :icon_smile_big:
Dane!.......I mean Dayumm! you boyz best knot be waitt'in when uncle Jesse getz home!........yah gonna be ina heap o' trouble!...for funnin like that! :scared:
were just funnin wit him!!!! sometimes Danes formulas crack me up!!!!!! :icon_smile_evil:
They told him to use wing washers and braces :rotz: :icon_smile_shock: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_wink: Now that's funny shit right there, I don't care who ya arrrr....git r done
Just a little FYI...I built one batch of those wing brackets and don't plan to build more. I'm not interested in competing with the current repro parts guys. I was just trying to help a few brothers out.
As for my clones (daytona and bird), they're being put on the back burner for now. I'm far too impatient to wait on parts. When I want something, I want it NOW. It's just one of my many faults. If I ordered the parts that I want today, I don't see any chance in hell of seeing them until at least next summer. I'm going to spend the winter getting the hemi into the chal convert and I'm going to get my super comp firebird ready to go racing and I'm not going to spend any more time stressing over wing parts for now. I may even put the 69 charger back together and drive it a little come springtime. I've been restoring and restifying these mopars for the last seven years non-stop and I guess I'm getting a little cranky. :yesnod:
Meanwhile, if anyone has any wing parts for sale, and I mean parts that are ready to ship, contact me.
I'm just going to watch for the latest updates on other guy's wing car projects for now.
Oh yeah...it was great meeting you at the car show in Houston, Troy. I love your charger 500.
Quote from: chargervert on November 28, 2005, 04:57:24 PM
Hey 70 Gen,fore yu be temped into carnal copolation,and acts of fornicatin,yu is gonna be needin a power fork liftin deevice of some kind to be gettin that beauty down off that wing!!!!! I can see why yu is so roused with all that flesh hangin under that wing!!!!!! that belly button can really push a god fearin man over the edge!!!!! ; :rotz:I think Dane might to be wantin to keep all that lovin fur himself! He might not take too kindly to yu tryin to move in on his sister,I mean his girl!!!!! Now I now why hes a needin such a sturdy wing!!!!!! :icon_smile_big:
Damn straight Chargervert!! That thar 'sposed midrift will get a guy evey tahm. Just look what it did fur Shanier Twain, an she's only one fourth the woman. Ah reckon Ted Janak ought to be feedin Miss Shanier some peanuts, like he tried to do to Miss Carlisle 2000 in the T- Buildin this summer, onna counta he reckoned she was too skinny. :yesnod:
It don't look like I'll be needin' the fork liftin dee-vice after all. From that last photo, it sho' nuff appears she be comin' round the mountain on her own, know what I mean Vern? :icon_smile_shock:
As fur Mr. Dane, yeah, we's just funnin. I wouldn't really be desirin' to move in on his ol lady anyway. My momma alwayz said, don't ever monkey with another monkey's monkey. 'Sides which, judgin' from that last photo, near as I can tell, he'll have 'nough grief with those bucklin' quarters an' that thar saggin' wing, an' more, iffin' he don't be escortin' Miss Lulu down from there right soon. Far be it from me to add to that boys grief, wouldn't be proper 't all. :o
Shoot y'all, I gots ta go. I thin' I can hear ol Unca Jesse's pick up coming up the drive yonder. I do believe Mr. Dayclona was right; ol Jesse'll tan our hides behind the corn cribb if he hears us funnin an' a carryin' on like a couple o' mo-rons. :'( Y'all come back now y'hear.
STINGER KIT JUST ARRIVED. will keep people posted , I will say one thing you better have better than average skills to put this baby together ? keep in mind I saved 5k
Damn straight 70 Gen! We all know about how Ted was tryin to bulk up Miss Carlsile to his likin! Tell Ted that might be a workin fur that elefant on the wing of that there yeller car,but Miss Carlizzle ain't fallerin fur that one! I bet that one on the wing might be a kin to preform some kinda unaturel acts fur a bag of peanuts! Ted would be takin vantage of such a fine flour!Looks like that there bright yeller car,is a buklin in frum the stress of whats hangin out frum under that dress! I know these cars were designed two withstand speeds of over 200 mph,but not 4hunnit lbs!!!!!!He may need a couple house jacks to sport the tops of them der rear quarter panels! Thank the good lord that thats one of Danes solid wings,and not one of them there fiberglass wings,cause some poor SOB would have to be xtractin the fiberglass splinters from some real tendar areas!!!!!! :icon_smile_evil:
Well this has certainly gone down hill fast.... :eyes:
Troy