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Title: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: 6bblgt on July 18, 2020, 10:21:06 PM
 :eek2: terrible ad & lots wrong with the car  *****  but it is a 4-speed 4.10 DAYTONA  :drool5:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Dodge-Daytona/203051814240

a former thread

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,42071.0.html

correct VIN stamped block?

FAKE B'cast sheet  :slap:
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona for sale on EBAY
Post by: birdsandbees on July 18, 2020, 11:03:51 PM
Nice, but yah.... anyone got some paper and tea and a stamp set? Black nose jack in a 'Tona. Gorgeous car, no need to make shit up. Why the broadcast sheet backed up by a $300 invoice from LMC in Milton Ontario?
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona for sale on EBAY
Post by: tan top on July 19, 2020, 02:22:11 AM
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Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona for sale on EBAY
Post by: tan top on July 19, 2020, 02:22:59 AM
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Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona for sale on EBAY
Post by: tan top on July 19, 2020, 02:23:50 AM
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Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona for sale on EBAY
Post by: tan top on July 19, 2020, 02:24:48 AM
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Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona for sale on EBAY
Post by: tan top on July 19, 2020, 02:25:32 AM
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Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona for sale on EBAY
Post by: tan top on July 19, 2020, 02:26:11 AM
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Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona for sale on EBAY
Post by: rob-dirt on July 19, 2020, 10:53:50 PM
 :popcrn: Wow my car is 400563 that one is 2 car,s after Mine  :popcrn: And its a stick also and chance 400564 is out their ? mabey they made a couple in a row ?
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona for sale on EBAY
Post by: nascarxx29 on July 20, 2020, 09:44:39 AM
It  do seems like a pattern on groups of daytona vin and colors but random luck
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona for sale on EBAY
Post by: Aero426 on July 20, 2020, 10:19:49 AM
The seats look like they are ready to explode.
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona for sale on EBAY
Post by: odcics2 on July 20, 2020, 10:39:58 AM
Quote from: Aero426 on July 20, 2020, 10:19:49 AM
The seats look like they are ready to explode.

:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:

:cheers:
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: odcics2 on July 26, 2020, 10:06:52 AM
A buddy of mine has some original paperwork for this car.
He bought it wrecked in the mid 1970s.
Sold it to a guy in the Dakotas.
I'm trying to get him to join the forum and
post up the many pics he has of the car from
back in the day.
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: taxspeaker on July 26, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: held1823 on July 26, 2020, 12:05:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxHnY5Kjg_o&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: taxspeaker on July 26, 2020, 12:45:17 PM
Ebay listing removed and the website for Redline does not show it in inventory or as a sold car. The video (thanks Ernie) says several times all numbers matching.
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: held1823 on July 26, 2020, 02:43:05 PM
it's there on the sold page, bob

https://www.redlinemusclecars.com/svdp/16425658/Used-1969-Dodge-Daytona-for-sale-in-Wilson-OK-73463
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: 6bblgt on July 26, 2020, 03:40:37 PM
Quote from: taxspeaker on July 26, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?

anyone have a 1969 HAMTRAMCK stamped engine or transmission with the open top "4"?
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: mr. hemi on July 26, 2020, 05:37:36 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 26, 2020, 03:40:37 PM
Quote from: taxspeaker on July 26, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?

anyone have a 1969 HAMTRAMCK stamped engine or transmission with the open top "4"?

Mine is on the lift right now, I will check.
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: BS27ROB on July 26, 2020, 05:41:31 PM
Quote from: taxspeaker on July 26, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?

Bob

If you look at the picture of the trans VIN stamp, even though it's not a great picture, you can see the engine VIN has different 5s and 0s. They should be the same.

Sy
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: Arnie Cunningham on July 26, 2020, 06:10:33 PM
Did 69 model year cars get the full VIN and not just the last 8 characters?  Or was that not universal?
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: 6bblgt on July 26, 2020, 06:32:55 PM
the 1969 model year started with full VINs being stamped on the engine & transmission, by late-January '69 that changed to last 8-digits ONLY

Charger 500s = full VIN
Daytona = last 8-digits of VIN
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: johntpr on July 26, 2020, 08:42:29 PM
Its sad that people get taken when cars are misrepresented.
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: taxspeaker on July 26, 2020, 09:23:45 PM
Quote from: BS27ROB on July 26, 2020, 05:41:31 PM
Quote from: taxspeaker on July 26, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?

Bob

If you look at the picture of the trans VIN stamp, even though it's not a great picture, you can see the engine VIN has different 5s and 0s. They should be the same.

Sy

I see that now, thanks.  Man you guys are sharp-eyed! Even so, I think it is a magnificent color combo.
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: Birdflu on July 26, 2020, 10:24:48 PM
Since we're on the subject of bogus numbers...how can you guys tell the broadcast sheet is fake? Iv'e seen enough stamped engine blocks to know that it's not right, but apparently I don't have a keen eye when it comes to a bogus broadcast sheet.  :shruggy:
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: 6bblgt on July 26, 2020, 11:19:46 PM
the font is all wrong
there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off   :smilielol:
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: odcics2 on July 27, 2020, 07:09:09 AM
A back in the day photo...
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: 70 sublime on July 27, 2020, 08:20:10 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on July 27, 2020, 07:09:09 AM
A back in the day photo...

Call that a day 2 picture ?   :icon_smile_wink:
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: RSI700VIPER on July 27, 2020, 08:54:54 AM
I wonder how much of the original car still remains.  I would love to own an A4 4-speed Daytona but as others have posted, better to have stated original motor is lost than to fake it.   
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: Birdflu on July 27, 2020, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: 70 sublime on July 27, 2020, 08:20:10 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on July 27, 2020, 07:09:09 AM
A back in the day photo...

Call that a day 2 picture ?   :icon_smile_wink:

Could be day 1 if someone got squirrelly coming out of the factory!  :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: Birdflu on July 27, 2020, 09:28:26 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 26, 2020, 11:19:46 PM
the font is all wrong
there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off   :smilielol:

Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: odcics2 on July 27, 2020, 10:34:29 AM
Quote from: 70 sublime on July 27, 2020, 08:20:10 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on July 27, 2020, 07:09:09 AM
A back in the day photo...

Call that a day 2 picture ?   :icon_smile_wink:

You can see some of the silver under the light blue, where the nose is bent.

Closer to day 2,500+    :Twocents:
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: held1823 on July 27, 2020, 01:03:33 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 26, 2020, 11:19:46 PM
the font is all wrong
there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off   :smilielol:

the seller's own photos show the date differences

G15 on the fender tag, but not on the most likely earlier report
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: 6bblgt on July 27, 2020, 01:30:59 PM
I thought the tag looked off as well but didn't catch that the earlier decode was different

my above comment was in regard to the FAKE b'cast sheet  :eek2:
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: cdr on July 27, 2020, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 26, 2020, 11:19:46 PM
the font is all wrong
there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off   :smilielol:

So all Daytona's have the vin door sticker like a 1970 model car has ?
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: 6bblgt on July 27, 2020, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: cdr on July 27, 2020, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 26, 2020, 11:19:46 PM
the font is all wrong
there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off   :smilielol:

So all Daytona's have the vin door sticker like a 1970 model car has ?

the vast majority, YES - "ALL" seems to always find an exception
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: cdr on July 27, 2020, 02:49:17 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 27, 2020, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: cdr on July 27, 2020, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 26, 2020, 11:19:46 PM
the font is all wrong
there is stuff missing that should be there - including some of the codes on the fender tag & the date on the door sticker is WAY off   :smilielol:

So all Daytona's have the vin door sticker like a 1970 model car has ?

the vast majority, YES - "ALL" seems to always find an exception

Thank you,,
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: Sgt Superbird on July 27, 2020, 09:08:53 PM
I have a dumb question... I'm assuming Galen's report would have had a picture of the fender tag. (I'm assuming one was present, since he decoded it.) Why would someone ADD a code? Is it to show the tag is a repop? I guess I'm missing the logic.  :shruggy:
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: 70 sublime on July 27, 2020, 09:27:11 PM
I had to look it up

G15   69-71   Tinted Windshield
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: 6bblgt on July 27, 2020, 11:10:06 PM
Galen would decode anything you'd pay him to decode (picture/hand written/anything) & not mention problems/issues
             an evaluation was another service & additional $$

other than the VIN tag & apparent "9B400565" stamped 4-speed - nothing above authentically describes/details the Daytona (except maybe the ~35 year old picture)
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: Sgt Superbird on July 28, 2020, 06:34:42 AM
Yes, stupid me... That was only a fender tag decoding and not an eval/inspection report.  :brickwall:
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: mr. hemi on July 28, 2020, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: mr. hemi on July 26, 2020, 05:37:36 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 26, 2020, 03:40:37 PM
Quote from: taxspeaker on July 26, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
Is it for sure that it is a restamped block?

anyone have a 1969 HAMTRAMCK stamped engine or transmission with the open top "4"?

Mine is on the lift right now, I will check.


Checked my Hamtramck Charger R/T. 9B308847 the "4" is closed at the top. I have owned this since 1980 and known of it since 1976. So fairly confident the stamps are original.
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: 6bblgt on July 28, 2020, 11:03:44 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on July 27, 2020, 07:09:09 AM
A back in the day photo...

I asked one of the aero gurus about this car:

Quote"A4 4-speed car w/black stripe.  Car was a real junk pile. Extremely rusty.  Was in Sioux Falls SD in the '70s"
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: hemigeno on July 29, 2020, 03:06:43 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 27, 2020, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: cdr on July 27, 2020, 01:37:54 PM

So all Daytona's have the vin door sticker like a 1970 model car has ?

the vast majority, YES - "ALL" seems to always find an exception


I've found just the opposite... most Daytonas did not have a door tag originally, based on observing the pattern of unrestored cars.  Many restorers / owners add repop tags to cars which didn't have them, thinking they were removed at some point.  From what I've seen, the presence or absence of the door tag is not tied to the VIN either.


:Twocents:
Title: Re: XX29L9B400565 A4 4-speed Daytona on EBAY restamped block & FAKE b'cast sheet
Post by: odcics2 on July 30, 2020, 08:47:56 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 28, 2020, 11:03:44 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on July 27, 2020, 07:09:09 AM
A back in the day photo...

I asked one of the aero gurus about this car:

Quote"A4 4-speed car w/black stripe.  Car was a real junk pile. Extremely rusty.  Was in Sioux Falls SD in the '70s"

Sioux Falls...  Jives with my buddy's remembrance of selling it to a "guy in the Dakotas" back in '76.