Well, if you followed the crazy post that I originally did, I'm sure you are happy that the car actually materialized... long ass story behind it, so here it goes...
The car was sitting out in a field outside of town in the early 80's after the original owner didn't pay a mechanic shop bill and the owner of the shop threatened to have the car crushed... the shop owner's son then got it towed away from the shop to a nearby field outside of El Campo, TX. After the car sat out in this field for 4-5 years with the ass end parked under an oak tree, a local Dodge guy offered to store the car for the original owner for a while under he got his situation under control (financial problems, of course). Well, instead the owner of the car left town around 1989 after an ordeal and basically vowed to never come back to EC for anything - and he hasn't broken his promise. The person holding the car since then has kept it in storage for the last 18 years and kept the condition from basically getting any worse - I can't help but think that he thought/assumed the title would never show up and no one would come for the car.
Well, that's where I come in... I'm in banking and specialize in real estate and in turn deal with attorneys on a regular basis. Well, one attorney in particular knew I was a car guy and would tell me these stories about this Hemi charger his half-brother had years ago. About two years ago, I started lurking around for a project car for my father and myself to start working on, and just so happen to mention this to my attorney friend. He said he thought the car was out in a field somewhere north of town and started giving me names of people his brother associated with, etc (at this time, he mentions the story of how he came out to be the lienholder on the car by paying off some old debts of his brother). So, one day I get lucky and one of the gentlemen he mentioned did some work along with the person storing the car and had a good idea of where it was... well, that was about 9-10 months ago... my wife and I had our first child (7 months old next week!) and searching for/spending money on a project car was just not a priority... then about 3 weeks ago, the interest was sparked again and I went back to my attorney. He just so happened to go through some old files and finds the title showing him as lienholder and everything else... so I just needed to find the car!
Well, it was easy after then (or so I thought) - I approached the lead from the lead... when I mentioned something about the car to his wife (he wasn't there at the time), she's like "you wanna see it?" :icon_smile_big: And that's about the time I got back with my attorney and we struck a deal for him to foreclose on his note and repossess the vehicle and then sell it to me via a bill of sale... now the hard part - getting the owner to release the car to me... that's where the story turns - after I approached the owner of the barn storing the car, he asked to see all the paperwork on the transaction and asked for a few days for his attorney to make sure he has no claim to the vehicle or no liability by releasing it to me... he made the mistake of telling me who the attorney was, so I contacted him the next day and he told me he instructed the other gentleman to release the car to me... yippeee!!! no so much... I go back to him the next day and says he has ANOTHER attorney looking at it and wants a few more days... so I, being the patient person I am, give him another couple days... that's where the problems start...
As I told everyone, I was under constant survellience of the barn and the car and last weekend, I go up to the barn to check out the car and then... :brickwall: IT WAS GONE! I went nuts to say the least and immediately contacted him and he refused to give me any whereabouts of the car or any information - simply that if his attorney said it was ok to release the car, he'd release the car... and that I need to quit trespassing on his property and snooping around his barn! shit! So, that's when I got local sheriffs involved on Monday and the process sped up pretty quickly, which resulted in him giving all the whereabouts of the car to the laws and asking them to ask me to give him one day to actually hire an attorney and get them to sign off on the deal... so, in order to resolve the manner in an amicable way, I agreed and finally picked up the car last night... he was very disappointed to let the car go (I guess you grow attached to something after looking after it for 18 yrs), but was very friendly when he released the car to us - he offered money and trades and everything else in an attempt to keep the car, but my father and I weren't interested right now... we really want to get this thing back on the roads of EC (where the car was sold and hasn't really left it's whole life)...
So, that's the crazy story behind getting the car (I'm sure almost every car has one), and here's some of the particulars...
1969 Dodge Charger Hemi R/T
XS29J9B20XXXX
59,XXX original miles - one owner car - Purchase from Red Miller Dodge in El Campo
426 Hemi, 4 speed trans
Red/Black/Black R/T stripe/Black Vinyl Roof
Super Track Pack
Hood Pins
Daytona wing (still researching origin - was told it was purchased from local dealership after initial purchase and installed there)
One partial broadcast sheet (pics below) - but fender tag missing (I'm guessing guy storing it has it - looks freshly unscrewed - will cross that bridge tomorrow with him)
I have an email sent to Galen Govier to see what other info he can get out of this car and would appreciate any info/help - I'd like to remove the broadcast sheet from under the rear seat, but it looks very brittle and I'm afraid to damage it... any advice?
I'm waiting on Galen's advice on what to do with the wing, so if anyone's interested, please let me know and if I decide to sell it maybe we can make a deal... also, any advice on resto shops around the Houston, TX area? I'm most concerned, of course about the body work that needs to be done, but everything in the lower half of the car - trunk floor, floor boards, frame rails, etc in very decent shape and structurally sound... quarter panels, doors, hood all in decent shape also, but the rear of the car is pretty lacking...
Thanks again guys and I look forward to this journey!
Also - just out of sheer curiousity - 1) What is the car worth as it sits? (I've been told between $40-60k, depending on how bad someone wants it - realistic?); 2) What would you estimate resto costs to an "excellent" original condition? (Early quotes have ranged from $50-100k); 3) What is the car worth today in excellent condition?
Thanks!
Brandon
Pics being uploaded.. slowly!
BZ
Good deal that you got it. Good luck on the resto. I would say in excellent condition around 100-150? If you did a lot of the work yourself and had it ready or near ready to paint you could restore it for around 15-25.
thanks for the update/info Brandon :yesnod: :2thumbs: , looking foward to seeing pictures :scope: :yesnod: :popcrn:
damn cardomain kicking my ass... give me a few more minutes!
Brandon
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:popcrn:
You said the trunk is good? With all the water that got in I would replace it since you need quarters, valance & probably a rear crossmember. Are you planning on starting on it soon?
Just curious but do you have any records of the car having been repainted before its long storage?
Man theres some big holes in the rear half there! That oak tree really did her in :rotz:
hard to see in the pics...any fender tag? I wonder if it was really coded for the hood pins as well?
I live in Houston and I'm having my '68 Hemi Charger R/T worked on right now as a matter of fact.. If you want, PM and we can talk....
Your story sounds very hairy and stressful, but victory alas....... Good for you.....
Troy
good pictures :yesnod: , .... looking forward to seeing more as & when you progress :cheers: thanks for sharing them :popcrn: :popcrn: :scope: :scope: , looking at the seats , can't see any buttons in the centre of the seats :scratchchin:
all pics uploaded now...
I don't know anything about it being repainted - but from what i've heard, it sounds like it's original paint... no fender tag (yet) - I'm pretty sure the barn owner has it somewhere and I'm going to have to track it down pretty quickly... if i can't get it, what can I do?
BZ
If you have the broadcast sheet you can get a tag made up.....take soem pics of the sheet.....Im dying to know about the hood pins....
That is some story.
lotsa work, but a very cool car. :cheers: good luck with it . Rene
Wild story!
Looked for my old pictures tonight... no luck yet!
Here is a picture of my notes on the car from the 1980s...
XS
That's crazy Allen... you must be a hell of a record keeper!
Any tips on getting the broadcast sheet out without ripping it up? That's pretty goofy how it's wrapped behind the coils and then around the corner with the leather of the seat... should I just cut it at the corner edge and just salvage what I can?
BZ
Seems to me alot of folks owe this guy an apology for doubting him.
You know the post whores who over and over post primarily posts with the :smilielol: or :popcrn: as the only content.
Bzabodyn, best of luck with your jewel. Very nice. She'll be the wet dream of most of these tools who doubted you.
AMEN BROTHER! :cheers:
Esp. since my father and I are pretty gung-ho on getting the car done within a year - and even though the money is important, doing it right is more important... we'll probably decide in the next week where we're going to get the work done and get the car there ASAP so we don't have to worry about being that much farther towards the back of the line...
Quote from: bzabodyn on October 04, 2007, 09:09:12 PM
Any tips on getting the broadcast sheet out without ripping it up? That's pretty goofy how it's wrapped behind the coils and then around the corner with the leather of the seat... should I just cut it at the corner edge and just salvage what I can?
BZ
Keeping that seatcover installed in "as delivered" condition is not NEARLY as important as trying to salvage that Broadcast Sheet. I'd cut the hog rings out of the way and pull off the layers of vinyl, foam & burlap to pull the Sheet out from around the coils. The factory workers laid the Broadcast Sheet face down on top of the coils, then covered it with all the above items - it was not tucked into the coils afterwards. That's how the sheet got so bound up on your seat, even though I haven't seen it positioned like that one terribly often.
Have you carefully checked above the glove box? Might be one taped on top of the cardboard, or maybe above the headliner if that's still there (I haven't been able to download all the pictures on my dial-up connection here at the house).
Thanks for posting the pics!
Quote from: bzabodyn on October 04, 2007, 09:09:12 PM
That's crazy Allen... you must be a hell of a record keeper!
Any tips on getting the broadcast sheet out without ripping it up? That's pretty goofy how it's wrapped behind the coils and then around the corner with the leather of the seat... should I just cut it at the corner edge and just salvage what I can?
BZ
Thanks Brandon... lots of records, very little organization... :brickwall:
As for the broadcast sheet, I guess your best bet is to lift the springs and get as much of it as possible out intact. Later when the seat is taken apart to re-cover, have all of the loose pieces carefully removed & saved. Then carefully flatten the pieces and paste them onto a heavy stock paper with a glue stick using an undamaged broadcast sheet as a pattern. Had to do it for the BC sheet in my 69 Hemi RR after a mouse made a nest out of half of it... :flame:
Allen
Quote from: Dodge Don on October 04, 2007, 09:21:13 PM
You know the post whores who over and over post primarily posts with the :smilielol: or :popcrn: as the only content.
Ooooo nice dig. :mrt:
Good luck with your project Mr. Bz.
Quote from: hemigeno on October 04, 2007, 09:34:24 PM
Quote from: bzabodyn on October 04, 2007, 09:09:12 PM
Any tips on getting the broadcast sheet out without ripping it up? That's pretty goofy how it's wrapped behind the coils and then around the corner with the leather of the seat... should I just cut it at the corner edge and just salvage what I can?
BZ
Keeping that seatcover installed in "as delivered" condition is not NEARLY as important as trying to salvage that Broadcast Sheet. I'd cut the hog rings out of the way and pull off the layers of vinyl, foam & burlap to pull the Sheet out from around the coils. The factory workers laid the Broadcast Sheet face down on top of the coils, then covered it with all the above items - it was not tucked into the coils afterwards. That's how the sheet got so bound up on your seat, even though I haven't seen it positioned like that one terribly often.
Have you carefully checked above the glove box? Might be one taped on top of the cardboard, or maybe above the headliner if that's still there (I haven't been able to download all the pictures on my dial-up connection here at the house).
Thanks for posting the pics!
Gene's suggestion might be a better approach than mine on second thought...
Allen
I'm GUILTY. The cat made me do it. I shouldn't have been so cynical. :devil: Unfortunately, as my only defense there have been too many stories (too good to be true) like yours that never materialize on these boards. Luckilly for you - this one did, and you have an awesome prize for your efforts. Score one for the little guy!! Now that I'm eating my words :icon_smile_blackeye:, my only criticism was the risk of telling the world about this car before you had it. Most people wouldn't have said anything.
My compliments for your HARD WORK, AND SCORING A GREAT HEMI CAR!
Quote from: Dodge Don on October 04, 2007, 09:21:13 PM
Seems to me alot of folks owe this guy an apology for doubting him.
You know the post whores who over and over post primarily posts with the :smilielol: or :popcrn: as the only content.
Bzabodyn, best of luck with your jewel. Very nice. She'll be the wet dream of most of these tools who doubted you.
:iagree: :smilielol: 2 weeks and it's mr 3k :popcrn:
Well, this is one post whore who believed it all along. Congratulations again on a great score!
Quote from: Dodge Don on October 04, 2007, 09:21:13 PM
Seems to me alot of folks owe this guy an apology for doubting him.
You know the post whores who over and over post primarily posts with the :smilielol: or :popcrn: as the only content.
Bzabodyn, best of luck with your jewel. Very nice. She'll be the wet dream of most of these tools who doubted you.
Are you speaking to me? I'm not apologizing for any of my popcorns. :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
For some reason I'm hungry for some :popcrn: :popcrn:
I can't believe I'm the first to do so, but if you consider selling the wing.....
I WANT FIRST DIBS!!!
Oh yeah, this has been a great conclusion to another "Hemi in a Barn" story. I rank this right up there with the 1970 Dick Landy Hemi Charger thread.
Congratulations on the rewards of your perserverance!
From one whore to another :popcrn:. and miet as whell be a drunck 2 :cheers:. Can't wait to see it done :2thumbs:
Quote from: The70RT on October 05, 2007, 05:35:55 AM
From one whore to another :popcrn:. and miet as whell be a drunck 2 :cheers:. Can't wait to see it done :2thumbs:
Us professional whores need to :smilielol: and eat :popcrn: and drink :cheers:
Quote from: 71ChallengeHer on October 04, 2007, 11:28:03 PM
For some reason I'm hungry for some :popcrn: :popcrn:
:wave:
Awesome find man! You got a lot of work ahead of you, but getting the car you want is always the hardest part. :yesnod:
ps- Geno, can you spray the weeds please? :angel:
Very cool find. :cheers: A holy grail of sorts...!
Anyone else notice the rear side markers are body color? I thought I read in another post that there are some 500s floating around with body color side marker bezels, but I haven't seen too many unmolested R/Ts that way(?). :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
Either way, best of luck with the car - and keep us updated! :yesnod: :2thumbs:
so the one storing said car for 18 years couldn't file a lien on the title for back storage or to get a title or something
Enjoy decoding sheets, if you don't hear from Galen soon and want to me to give it a go, PM me.
Sherri
Oh and Congrats!
Hey, bzabodyn, Check this site out if you havent already and find out everthing you need to know about restoring a 69 Hemi 4-speed R/T. I've been to Jets place to see the progress that he was making right before he painted it and it is pretty damn cool. I think he sold it for mid $200's, MsMopar knows the exact amount, she told me but i dont remember.
www.69hemi.com
Here is a 426 hemi registry if your interested. http://www.thehemi.com/426hemiregistry.php
And i was searching for some kind of liquid that you could put on the build sheet that might help it release from the seat springs, but I didn't find anything on the internet, or any methods of removal. So my best suggestion would be to take an exacto knife and carefully scrape the rust away between the paper and the seat spring. Or cut the springs on each side of the seat and leave it attached to the paper and display it as is. That would probably be better. Just find a different back seat bottom. I have an extra one if you want it. :yesnod:
Paul
in St. Paul
Quote from: PocketThunder on October 05, 2007, 09:53:37 AM
Hey, bzabodyn, Check this site out if you havent already and find out everthing you need to know about restoring a 69 Hemi 4-speed R/T. I've been to Jets place to see the progress that he was making right before he painted it and it is pretty damn cool. I think he sold it for mid $200's, MsMopar knows the exact amount, she told me but i dont remember.
www.69hemi.com
Paul
in St. Paul
Jet's website is awesome........ I''m using it for reference for my '68 Hemi Charger R/T resto. He's given me some pointers.. Nice guy................ There's a red Hemi '69 here in the Houston area as well, unrestored car.. Almost a twin except for the interior color and top/stripe...
Troy
Quote from: Mopurr on October 05, 2007, 09:42:37 AM
Enjoy decoding sheets, if you don't hear from Galen soon and want to me to give it a go, PM me.
Sherri
Oh and Congrats!
I'll hold you up to that!
Thanks - BZ
Quote from: PocketThunder on October 05, 2007, 09:53:37 AM
Hey, bzabodyn, Check this site out if you havent already and find out everthing you need to know about restoring a 69 Hemi 4-speed R/T. I've been to Jets place to see the progress that he was making right before he painted it and it is pretty damn cool. I think he sold it for mid $200's, MsMopar knows the exact amount, she told me but i dont remember.
www.69hemi.com
Here is a 426 hemi registry if your interested. http://www.thehemi.com/426hemiregistry.php
And i was searching for some kind of liquid that you could put on the build sheet that might help it release from the seat springs, but I didn't find anything on the internet, or any methods of removal. So my best suggestion would be to take an exacto knife and carefully scrape the rust away between the paper and the seat spring. Or cut the springs on each side of the seat and leave it attached to the paper and display it as is. That would probably be better. Just find a different back seat bottom. I have an extra one if you want it. :yesnod:
Paul
in St. Paul
Funny thing is - I found your website first and the links sections brought me here!
I will probably have several questions throughout this process that I'll be contacting you for help or referring to your excellent website for guidance... that is a hell of a reference tool in restoring this car...
Thanks guys!
BZ
Here's a little of what I've extracted from the (somewhat blurry) copy of the Broadcast Sheet:
The obvious things - Hemi, 4-speed, R4 Red paint, black interior, etc.
Nov. 11, '68 Scheduled Build Date
3.54 Dana
Power Disc Brakes
15" Steelies with dog dish hubcaps
Woodgrain steering wheel
If you post or PM a copy of the whole sheet, we can probably tell you what every box means.
Good luck!!!
:smilielol:
Cool! I knew it was either a Track or Super Track pack car since I could verify everything except the drive ratio (of course) - I think I've narrowed down the shops to do the resto job... has anyone here had any experience with Jeff's Resurrections in Taylor, TX? Sounds like a first class operation geared towards perfection (def. not going to be cheap, but it sounds like you'll get what you pay for) - and it's a plus to know he has 4-5 other Hemi cars on location and a Superbird to boot, so plenty of experience with B/E-Bodies and Hemis...
Thanks again - I'll try to get a better picture of the broadcast sheet this weekend after we attempt to remove it - on the plus side, my father contacted the gentleman that had been storing the car and he admitted to removing the fender tag some time back to run the codes and said he is going to locate it for us... cross your fingers!
Brandon
Hey any where on the sheet say that the car was a V88 car? Just curious. The rear bezels is the exact reason I asked about the repaint. If it hasn't been repainted them I'm going to say that the stripe on the car isn't the origional one? If so why would the bezels be red instead of black. Haven't ever seen an R/T with the bezels body color. Now 500's are a whole other ballgame.
Awesome story, thats right up there with one of the best. Can't wait to see the progress begin.
I know of a orig paint 69 bee that the marker lights are body color. I'll find a pic
Quote from: 69_500 on October 05, 2007, 03:19:14 PM
Hey any where on the sheet say that the car was a V88 car? Just curious. The rear bezels is the exact reason I asked about the repaint. If it hasn't been repainted them I'm going to say that the stripe on the car isn't the origional one? If so why would the bezels be red instead of black. Haven't ever seen an R/T with the bezels body color. Now 500's are a whole other ballgame.
Ive got a 69 RT that has them body color !!
Congratulations! That is one heck of a find! I don't think you have heard the last from the guy that stored it for the last 18 years though. I don't know why he didn't try harder himself to obtain a title. Good luck on your restoration. Hope it goes a lot smoother than my 20 year project! :cheers: MsMopar
Well, he's been very friendly since we've received the car - he basically said "you have the car now, so you better keep your word and get it back on the road"... and like I said before, he's even been cooperative in trying to find the fender tag for us... I guess we'll see...
BZ
What an awesome car. Looks to be in better condition than my 68. Should be a straightforward resto.
How did the wing wind up there. Do you know the story to it? Is it a real Daytona wing? Are all the support brackets there?
Take Hemigeno's advice for sure on the broadcast sheet and then...
Look under both bucket seats and in the bucket seat backs for more sheets in addition to the places he mentioned. ;)
Great score!
Barry
Quote from: gtx6970 on October 05, 2007, 09:28:49 AM
so the one storing said car for 18 years couldn't file a lien on the title for back storage or to get a title or something
That was my first thought.... I sure would have
Quote from: VPFD13 on October 06, 2007, 09:14:08 PM
Quote from: gtx6970 on October 05, 2007, 09:28:49 AM
so the one storing said car for 18 years couldn't file a lien on the title for back storage or to get a title or something
That was my first thought.... I sure would have
So were you the one that let it slip through your fingers? :slap: If so it looks like you could have charged storage for how ever much you wanted.
Thanks for the cool story & pics on your barn find, BZ! :cheers:
I hope you're able to get the fender tag without much drama. Keep us updated on it's resto, we'll all love to see it's progress, I'm sure. :)
Quote from: VPFD13 on October 06, 2007, 09:14:08 PM
Quote from: gtx6970 on October 05, 2007, 09:28:49 AM
so the one storing said car for 18 years couldn't file a lien on the title for back storage or to get a title or something
That was my first thought.... I sure would have
Not sure about everywhere else, but in TX when there is a lienholder on the title the storage company/person must notify the lienholder within 10 days in regards to the accruing of storage fees and the terms under which they file would file a lien... and he, of course, didn't take those measures... he really didn't have a right to EVER have the car in his possession, legally, anyways (even though I am glad he did hang on to it for all that time and kept it from getting worse)...
I'm still kicking around where I should get this car resto'd at - any more suggestions? Our original budget was $50-60k, but after talking to a few shops, we might have to stretch the original budget a bit :shruggy:
BZ
as far as the wing is concerned - the storage guy said he remembers it being on there for as long as he's known of the car - but, the person I bought it from said he had no recollection of it (and that was his brother) - he said he might have some old pics of the car from the early 70's that he's going to try to dig up, so we'll see if the wing is in those pics... Also, I'm planning on talking with the owner of the old Dodge dealership that it was purchased from to see if he has any recollection of it (even though he might not remember much - I know he has to be in his late '80's)...
I'll keep you posted...
BZ
You mean the storage guy let it set in there all that time and was never paid anything. Luckily the car has anything left on it. He probably could have did an abandoned vehicle claim. I know i would have.
Quote from: bzabodyn on October 07, 2007, 03:59:00 PM
as far as the wing is concerned - the storage guy said he remembers it being on there for as long as he's known of the car - but, the person I bought it from said he had no recollection of it (and that was his brother) - he said he might have some old pics of the car from the early 70's that he's going to try to dig up, so we'll see if the wing is in those pics...
BZ
As I have previously said, I have absolutely no recollection of a wing from when I looked at this car... or any sign that it had ever had one. I have looked for the pictures, but have not yet found them. I am going to try get a light table or film strip viewer to help me look for the negatives in the 5,000+ that I have from that era...
XS
Ive heard all good things on Jeff restorations in Taylor TX.When I was in Austin..Congrats on your find hemi 69 RT charger sporting the daytona
Yea, congrats on an EXCELLENT FIND!!!!
Thanks - still just pondering over how much I want to spend on this thing and who I'm going to give my money to... wish I had more time to do some of the things myself and save some $$$, but I definitely don't want it to drag out longer than it should... I need to get this bad boy back on the road!
Brandon
I want to get mine back on the road asap too but there is no way I could spend 50-100K I don't think too many of us could :'( If you got the cash then hell yeah ...........getter done. :drive:
Quote from: bzabodyn on October 08, 2007, 10:05:09 PM
Thanks - still just pondering over how much I want to spend on this thing and who I'm going to give my money to... wish I had more time to do some of the things myself and save some $$$, but I definitely don't want it to drag out longer than it should... I need to get this bad boy back on the road!
Brandon
But you don't want to do a rush job either. The car is way to nice to HURRY on. Take your time and find nice parts and good people to do the work. If you rush it. The quality will be that of a ford resto. Don't want it to look like a ford job do you?? The better the job, The longer the car will last and the more the value it will hold.
Quote from: The70RT on October 08, 2007, 10:10:51 PM
I want to get mine back on the road asap too but there is no way I could spend 50-100K I don't think too many of us could :'( If you got the cash then hell yeah ...........getter done. :drive:
Im hear ya man!
OK - new dilemma - the owner of the barn where the car was stored has approached my dad (again) with offers to trade for/buy the car... of course, he keeps hitting us up with these stories about how big of a mopar fan he is, blah blah blah... he did offer an excellent condition crane to my dad worth probably $75k or so, but he wasn't interested...
As far as cash is concerned - what do you think the going rate for this car is? (taking into consideration he DOES have the fender tag) I really don't think I'm going to sell it right now, but if I did, it would be to him and only him since he has had the car for so long and kinda has an emotional attachment to it... with all the big numbers I've had thrown at me to resto this thing, it is something I need to take into consideration - so, thoughts?
BZ :shruggy:
You still need the fender tag.. Let him know he has first dibs on the car if you sell.. Please keep looking for the tag.. But, if you have the original broadcast sheet, you can get one made...
I would hang on the car and do a little bit at a tiime. I'm in the same boat with my Hem '68 Charger R/T... I do a little here and a little there.. It's slow, but steady progress................ A bird in hand is worth more than two in a bush.....
Troy
I agree thats a hell of a find, dont let it go . You will only regret it the rest of your life .
That hemi car will only keep increasing invalue way better them anything else you could invest in.
Quote from: bzabodyn on October 09, 2007, 10:19:42 AM
OK - new dilemma - the owner of the barn where the car was stored has approached my dad (again) with offers to trade for/buy the car... of course, he keeps hitting us up with these stories about how big of a mopar fan he is, blah blah blah... he did offer an excellent condition crane to my dad worth probably $75k or so, but he wasn't interested...
As far as cash is concerned - what do you think the going rate for this car is? (taking into consideration he DOES have the fender tag) I really don't think I'm going to sell it right now, but if I did, it would be to him and only him since he has had the car for so long and kinda has an emotional attachment to it... with all the big numbers I've had thrown at me to resto this thing, it is something I need to take into consideration - so, thoughts?
BZ :shruggy:
Looks like I have a different perspective on this... I believe the car is worth $50K at this time with the fender tag or a fairly complete brodcast sheet. Maybe $40K without the tag or complete broadcast sheet. There has clearly been a downturn in the market, and with this car I would estimate at least $80K-$100K for a turnkey restoration. If you can get $75K in cash or actual value trade, it sounds worth considering... Just my opinion based on the pictures... Still, it would be neat to keep the car and have a heck of a story to tell at shows... sometimes the logical way isn't always the one worth taking.
If the car was nicely restored now, my guess on it's value would be $125K-$150K... :shruggy:
:Twocents:
Allen
Moved so that everyone who hasn't seen these yet can join in... :2thumbs:
Troy
WOW-sounds ike the Big CLUE is out ! Just the FACT THAT he wants to buy the car back from you so soon-sounds to me like the guy, who had it stored has attorneys already-maybe ready to put a lean on his place AND SUE him !
You need to get an attorney involved to PROTECT YOURSELF...also keep track how much YOU COULD C HARGE for storing the car IF SHI&*&& hits the fan !!! ::)
Quote from: bzabodyn on October 09, 2007, 10:19:42 AM
OK - new dilemma - the owner of the barn where the car was stored has approached my dad (again) with offers to trade for/buy the car... of course, he keeps hitting us up with these stories about how big of a mopar fan he is, blah blah blah... he did offer an excellent condition crane to my dad worth probably $75k or so, but he wasn't interested...
As far as cash is concerned - what do you think the going rate for this car is? (taking into consideration he DOES have the fender tag) I really don't think I'm going to sell it right now, but if I did, it would be to him and only him since he has had the car for so long and kinda has an emotional attachment to it... with all the big numbers I've had thrown at me to resto this thing, it is something I need to take into consideration - so, thoughts?
BZ :shruggy:
I guess it depends on what you gave for it too. If you gave a considerable amount for it why contemplate selling now? Say if you gave 75K for it and restored for 75K then you will be in the hole for a few years but also get to drive and show it. If you got it for 25K and you do most of the work and put 30K to restore it then you will be in the money. If you do a lot of the work yourself you would be less likely to want to sell it. In the long run if you did you would make a lot more then because you would have a lot less cash in it. :Twocents:
you second scenario is more like my situation - got it for under market value, and would be in the money if I sold it today... but, would REALLY be in the money if I could get it back together for $50-75k or so... right now, it's going to take at least $75k cash to part with the car - there's just too much upside potential (not to mention the gratification of actually getting it back on the road!)
Thanks for everyone's input - I'll keep you posted as to what he says...
Brandon
Honestly, I'd be real surprised if you can get that car restored for $50-75k if you're paying someone for the work. My guess would be upwards of $100k to do it "correct" enough to get max #1 condition money out of it later. I could be wrong of course (or maybe the "good" shops near me are just really expensive). So, if you're planning on flipping it any way then why do all the work? As stated above, the market is soft right now and who knows what it will be like when you get the car done? It doesn't seem like you have any sentimental value in the car and if you truly want to just "get it on the road" then forgo a perfect restoration and just do a "good" one. You won't/shouldn't put a #1 car on the street if you ever plan on selling it so you can't drive it any way. It certainly would be cool to own a Hemi Charger but if it hasn't been a lifelong dream then you can easily get discouraged with a project of this magnitude. My opinion may not be popular but take the profit now, buy yourself a very nice project/nearly finished car, and save yourself a million headaches and a bunch of money (you won't be tempted to dump $75k into a "plain" R/T).
As for the guy who stored it, I'm sure it would suck to see that car whisked away but it would be even more heartbreaking to see it flipped or stored in poor conditions. If you sell it to anyone right away then make sure he has a reasonable shot at it. He *could* have been the kind of guy who would scavenge parts or sell off the tags but obviously he wasn't. Karma and all that...
Troy
I can't imagine selling such a car if I had it in my garage.......
Come on guys it's a Hemi Charger with 3 pedals, if I would'nt know anything about sex I should say the best a man can have in this lifetime :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
agreed
Quote from: six-tee-nine on October 09, 2007, 01:42:46 PM
I can't imagine selling such a car if I had it in my garage.......
Come on guys it's a Hemi Charger with 3 pedals, if I would'nt know anything about sex I should say the best a man can have in this lifetime :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Sorry, but this is the best a man can have in his lifetime
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r79/shaggieshapiro/df_ashley_image_detail.jpg)
looks like another one got saved! Congrats on your find and good luck with the project. Your in luck...they didn't have half the re-pop stuff available to me when I did mine....Nice having the original motor as well.... :2thumbs:
Quote from: bzabodyn on October 09, 2007, 10:19:42 AM
(taking into consideration he DOES have the fender tag)
So he has the fender tag? Is he planning on giving it to you??
yeah, the last time I talked to him he admitted to taking it off a while back... my father talked to him yesterday and said he's looking for it and will hand it over when he finds it.... we're being persistent, but definitely not pushy...
BZ
Don't you just hate those 3-digit dilemmas....
hey bzabodyn,
I'll trade you for my soul?????
:shruggy:
What your car needs: The donor clip from Hemigeno's Daytona project (which he ended up not using...)!!
nice clip
Or Geno could make something like this outta that... :D
(http://onfinite.com/libraries/1009664/572.jpg)
Quote from: CHARGER_FAN on October 10, 2007, 01:53:12 PM
Or Geno could make something like this outta that... :D
(http://onfinite.com/libraries/1009664/572.jpg)
:smilielol: Grant you are the picture finding master!! I think between you and Old Moparz we are always covered.
By the way Gene's back half clip is not for sale. I already asked.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Where did that come from!? That has to be one of the funniest pics I 've seen in a long time!
Looks like a deathtrap to me.
Prest-o-change-o.
I don't know what it is about me, but I sure do attract some crazy-ass off-topic shit! Cool find on the trike!
I have posted a wanted ad in the classifieds on the board needing basically what was posted above... I'd REALLY like to get it all the way to the A-pillars, but I'm not going to be picky at this stage...
Let me know!
Brandon
oh - and I'm NOT selling the car... period. It's going to be done, and it going to be done right... $75k, $100k, whatever...
Brandon, you'll be happy you did.......
Troy
this story is nuts on so many levels, I can't believe this stuff happens. :scratchchin:
1) original guy basically abandons car over mechanic's bill. not like it's a ford taurus or something, but a hemi charger.
2) 2nd guy just keeps it around for 20 years and apparently never tries to acquire it legally. This guy must be the dude in the movie 'Airplane' who waits in the taxi outside the airport for the whole film waiting for Ted Stryker to come back.
3) attorney basically owns the car, has all the leads on where to find it but never looks into them. it's his brother's car - HELLO?, it's a hemi charger, HELLO!?!?!?!
anyway, after all that madness, you deserve to be the owner. looking forward to seeing the progress, good luck! :2thumbs:
-john
Quote from: Ghoste on October 10, 2007, 06:08:41 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Where did that come from!? That has to be one of the funniest pics I 've seen in a long time!
I have no idea where I found that, but the guy sure seems happy...his wife too. :lol:
Nice 'chop, Magnum! :2thumbs:
Sorry for my part in the hijack BZ, I couldn't resist. :icon_smile_big:
photo shop is awesome
FYI - the wing is going to be removed this weekend and cleaned up, and I'm going to put it up for sale in the classifieds on Monday if I don't make a deal with someone before then... I really don't know exactly what it is worth, but I have a pretty good estimate - and if I don't get close to what I want for it in a week or so, I'll just EBay-it...
I'd like $3500 + shipping or I'll meet someone half way within reasonable distance from Houston, TX (couple hundred miles maybe?)... I'll listen to any reasonable offer, btw...
Thanks - Brandon
In your story you say owner didn't want to part with it because he became attached to it sitting around 18 years. I wonder if the real reason was because it was a Hemi car? :scratchchin: I think that may have had more to do with it. Bizzare story. Congrats on the find. LEON.
Just my :Twocents: But you ought to keep the wing on it since it's part of the car's history.
Just reading this stuff in awe :o. I'm thrilled to hear it's going to someone who wants to get it on the road asap. 1 question I have is, if you do this mint 100,000 dollar restoration on it, will you really want to drive it in the elements? Some times a great driver is the way to go. :Twocents: Congratulations, hope you and your dad have a great time with it. Awesome story. Rob.
awesome :yesnod: can't waite to see the resto pictures Brandon :popcrn: :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Quote from: CHARGER_FAN on October 10, 2007, 01:53:12 PM
Or Geno could make something like this outta that... :D
(http://onfinite.com/libraries/1009664/572.jpg)
:smilielol: thats my friends cousin JOE :smilielol: the trike is called " THE CONTRAPTION " :smilielol:
back to the HEMI CHARGER
:popcrn:
Quote from: rav440 on November 23, 2007, 08:46:35 AM
Quote from: CHARGER_FAN on October 10, 2007, 01:53:12 PM
Or Geno could make something like this outta that... :D
(http://onfinite.com/libraries/1009664/572.jpg)
:smilielol: thats my friends cousin JOE :smilielol: the trike is called " THE CONTRAPTION " :smilielol:
back to the HEMI CHARGER
:popcrn:
wow looks hard to steer
If some one was going to turn that into a Daytona, you can't stoop any lower than that!!!
So....how is this car progressing?
Anybody? :popcrn:
I just want to know if the fendertag is being held for ransom. The guy that took it off knows exactly where it is and is playing you. :Twocents:
a 100K resto takes a lot of time.
Yeah, What ever happened to it? :scratchchin: :shruggy:
I'll betcha he's working lots of extra hours to pay for the restoration, and there's no extra time left to update the progress on DC.com. :D
Didn't this dude get banned?
Jason
For what? He last posted in May and last logged on in July, was he caught up in some other controversy or are you mixing him up with someone else? Like that 16 year old that was always so wound up?
Quote from: jaak on September 01, 2009, 10:45:37 PM
Didn't this dude get banned?
Jason
Oops, I meant didn't 426HemiCharger get banned.
Jason
Yeah, that's the kid I thought you might have been thinking of.
Seems like the guy who stored it for 18 years could have countered with storage fees.
its finished :drool5:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,71461.0.html
Thanks for the link! Did he ever get the original fender tag ?
Quote from: StoneCold on March 14, 2011, 07:01:32 PM
Thanks for the link! Did he ever get the original fender tag ?
not sure , :scratchchin: :popcrn: