Hello Dodgecharger.com. I know I haven't been here for a period of time, and although I want to apologize and explain myself for that, there's a pressing matter that I need your guy's help with, and there's no other group of people on this planet that can help or understand my situation better than you folks can.
My beloved 1969 Charger has been my life vessel during the last 24 years. We've seen so much together during the quarter century that it pains me to say that we got rear-ended last night on our way to get some gas for the ride home. I'm reminded that no matter how careful and conscientious of a driver you are, that won't prevent someone from piling into you if fortune decides to turn itself on you. Obviously, the logical thing to do is post pics. I did take pictures of the car and the damage, but in all honesty it's very hard to see what's wrong unless you are about two feet away from the rear end of the car. From what I can see, here is the list of the readily visible damage:
*lower valance panel is damaged, mostly on the right side.
*passenger side reverse light is broken
*tail panel is cracked and pushed down on the passenger side
*passenger side tail light is cracked in half (but still functional)
*passenger side exhaust pipe was pushed underneath the car; it is now stuck on the passenger side shock absorber and rear sway bar linkage.
*passenger side, rear suspension is frozen; shock absorber can't move up and down because the exhaust pipe is jammed against it.
For what it's worth here's a picture of the rear. Again, it's hard to see without actually being up close to the car.
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I've already contacted Hagerty, who's covered the Charger for the last 13 years. I'm waiting for an appraiser to come out and write up an estimate. At this point I'm trying to think about where to take the Charger for the inevitable body work but...I don't know if some of you guys remember the hell I went through with body shops about a decade ago, so I've avoided thinking about body shops up until now. Anyone in California have a recommendation for me? What should I be looking for when checking out these shops? I get uneasy just thinking about it.
Furthermore, what do some of you guys think about the damage? Will the lower valance and tail panel need to be replaced (AGAIN) or is that something that can be smoothed out? How much would you guys say it would cost to put this car back to it's perfectly straight condition? Does anyone have experience with Hagerty; are they going to help me or is this going to be a struggle? I regret dumping all of this on you guys but like I said before, I don't have anyone else that can understand the unique situation you have when a vintage car like our Chargers gets into these unfortunate situations. I'll keep everyone updated as this situation progresses. I will appreciate any suggestions, advice, recommendations and thoughts that will help my car through this mess. Thanks again to everyone on DC.com for being here when we need it. Special thanks to Dirk, Charlie, Chuck, Kern, other members and especially Ron for keeping in touch with me over the years.
PS: here's a picture of the car that hit me, a 2014 Toyota Camry:
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Driver was a 20 year old kid, whose father is now saying that they do not have collision coverage on their Toyota and that they will have to pay out of their own pockets. Is this true? I don't know how insurance policies work in situations like this... (https://flic.kr/p/J7w8KA)
Dude! That totally sucks. Good luck with the repair and glad to hear from the sounds of it there were no serious injuries.
Mixed feelings for you. Glad to see you logged back on. Long time, no see. Sad to hear about the accident. What was the excuse of the kid that hit you? Certainly he saw you. Our cars have one of the largest sets of tail lights.
Quote from: JB400 on April 17, 2018, 01:30:58 AM
Mixed feelings for you. Glad to see you logged back on. Long time, no see. Sad to hear about the accident. What was the excuse of the kid that hit you? Certainly he saw you. Our cars have one of the largest sets of tail lights.
Hey JB, good to see you again. Mixed feelings? Are you mad at me? Lol. In any case:
The kid had pulled up behind me at a previous traffic light with his headlights off and texting on his phone. Because I've spent the last 24 years worrying about getting rear ended I habitually watch anyone approaching me from that direction.
As soon as the light turned green I took off and hung a left to make my way to a gas station. I looked behind and saw that the kid hadn't left the light yet, probably because he was still texting on his phone and didn't see the light turn green.
I shrugged the kid off and kept driving; eventually I started my approach to the Shell station which would involve a sharp right turn into their driveway. As soon as I began the turn I briefly saw the car I left behind at the light filling my rearview mirror right as he hit us.
I don't know how or why, but I handled the situation pretty well. If the kid had been older than 20 and wasn't crying for his mom and dad to help him I might have been more passionate in the moment...
glad no one is hurt, but it sucks big-time to have your Charger banged up :icon_smile_blackeye:
where in CA are you?
I believe it's - liability part of insurance is for property you damage, collision is for your own vehicle, that's why the state makes liability coverage mandatory
Hagerty should make you whole & they'll go after the other party - were the police involved?
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 17, 2018, 02:13:28 AM
glad no one is hurt, but it sucks big-time to have your Charger banged up :icon_smile_blackeye:
where in CA are you?
I believe it's - liability part of insurance is for property you damage, collision is for your own vehicle, that's why the state makes liability coverage mandatory
Hagerty should make you whole & they'll go after the other party - were the police involved?
I'm in San Diego. There are more auto body shops here than 7-11's but I don't know who to go to. No, the police were not involved...
Shit.
Glad to hear that you are OK.
I hope that your insurance provider and body shop do the right thing by you, and the kid gets his ass kicked.
Rough times, but you'll get through it.
TPR
Quote from: myk on April 17, 2018, 02:31:38 AM
No, the police were not involved...
Ugh that could be some bad ju-ju right there. There wold have been police around if you would have been strangling the kid like I would have :rotz:
Always get a police report....especially when rear ended...especially when the Charger is involved. Good luck Myk
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on April 17, 2018, 04:20:45 AM
Quote from: myk on April 17, 2018, 02:31:38 AM
No, the police were not involved...
Ugh that could be some bad ju-ju right there. There wold have been police around if you would have been strangling the kid like I would have :rotz:
Always get a police report....especially when rear ended...especially when the Charger is involved. Good luck Myk
Should I file one now?
Hey MYK , good to see ya :cheers: :cheers: :2thumbs: , sorry to hear about your charger , bummer :flame:
How's it going TT? Hope all is well. Well, better than me anyway lol...
Quote from: myk on April 17, 2018, 04:33:42 AM
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on April 17, 2018, 04:20:45 AM
Quote from: myk on April 17, 2018, 02:31:38 AM
No, the police were not involved...
Ugh that could be some bad ju-ju right there. There wold have been police around if you would have been strangling the kid like I would have :rotz:
Always get a police report....especially when rear ended...especially when the Charger is involved. Good luck Myk
Should I file one now?
You need to get something........ So, the kid didn't even get a ticket? What are the laws in California? I would have never left until an officer showed up. I would have taken the license plate number of the car and exchanged information...... regarding the lack of collision on the owner of the car that hit you, either they need to understand they WILL have to pay for it or does your insurance policy cover uninsured motorists? Man, I feel for you........ But, the car can be fixed... Make sure it goes somewhere that either knows these old cars or is willing to listen to the customer. The Charger's sheetmetal back there, especially around the rear valance and side end caps can be complicated.... This is probably the best resource.. But, if your car hasn't had much work back there, the clues to putting the sheetmetal puzzle back together are right there already...
Hope the repair goes smoothly......
Damn Myk, that sucks! :eek2:
Glad to see you back,but sucks that the circumstances aren't different.
I would file a police report.
Turn it in to Hagerty and let them fight it out. Main stream insurers don't know how to properly handle classic car claims usually.
Hagerty may even be able to suggest area shops that they've worked with in the past.
Good luck !
Hi Myk, wondered where you went. Hope your Charger gets very good attention (keep us posted) and no medical problems come up on you at a later date. I should not have to tell you this, Always get a cop. Now it's you say he say. The kids phone is somehow now ''missing''.
If his dad is now trying to weasel out of paying, this might have tobe the part where you develop a serious case of late onset whiplash.
Too bad this happened to your car :eek2:
A couple times I have been in a fender bender no fault of my own
First time was on a major 4 lane highway stop and go traffic
Got rear ended by a modern Firebird
Not much damage to our mini van so did not call the cops
My trailer hitch did go right through his grill :icon_smile_big:
I did have a sore neck a couple days later and could not figure it out but then it dawned on me when it had happened
Second time I was driving my 73 Road Runner
Long straight road with a side road coming up to it
In the distance I saw a car at the stop sign
Whole time I was thinking do not pull out in front of me
He did
Messed up one fender and around head light a bit
Was a kid driving and got phone number and info and said he would pay for the fix
Then the father got involved and I got nothing out of it in the end
He said I said
I got screwed
Good luck with your car
I know of a bodyshop north of you by about 200ish miles. They did wonders on my 63 and just recently I saw they had a beautiful black 2nd gen charger in the shop getting something done. I am not sure how far your insurance covers but if you don't find anyone local let me know and I can go show them pictures and ask if that is something they will take on for you. Very sorry to hear about the accident, glad no one got hurt though.
That's too bad Myk. I am insured with Hagerty and had no problems with an accident claim. But they did want an accident report filed with the police.
Man dude, sorry to hear about this!
I would file a police report, I have been hit a few times (not in my charger) and ALWAYS get one. People try to pull some serious BS.
Good thing is now there are replacement parts for your car!
Appreciate all the support and feedback guys. Even though it's two days later I will try to file a police report now. So do you guys think those panels are going to have to be cut out? With the appraiser coming in about an hour or so I guess I'll get an official diagnosis...
Filing a police report is a waste of time. 1) it's after the fact; 2) the LEO taking down the facts being reported did not witness what happened, so it's inadmissible hearsay; 3) the important thing is to report it to the insurance company.
And yes, it doesn't make sense for the dad to claim that the kid has insurance but no collision coverage. All drivers are required by law to have at least liability insurance and this is precisely the type of situation it's supposed to cover.
As someone already mentioned, it is generally better to let insurance handle it and let them seek reimbursement from the other driver/their insurance co.*
Otherwise, the other driver can be pursued in small claims for any deficiencies/out of pocket costs that are not covered by insurance.*
*none of the above should be construed as legal advise specific to your situation, it's merely a general commentary. :icon_smile_big:
Yeah Hagerty told me as much. Well the appraiser came out and did his thing, now I have to wait for them to get back to me with an estimate. Offhand he's recommending tail panel, lower valance, and obviously replacement of the lights. He also pointed out that the gas tank needs to be replaced; I didn't even notice it was dented. Oi vey...
The accident report will do good if both parties cop to their involvement. The longer time goes by the more tempted they will be to lie
Sorry about the car, good to see you back.
His insurance won't pay for his car.. But will pay for yours.. Like someone else said, hand it over to Haggerty and let them deal with it..
Sorry about that Myk! That's everyone's nightmare on this board. I'm almost scared to drive my car anymore. I've had too many close calls in recent years caused by texting or otherwise distracted drivers......
That sucks. Make sure the rear quarter sheet metal isn't bowed on either side from the impact too. That can be very subtle and hard to notice. Also, like others have said, basic liability insurance should include damage to another vehicle. Collision insurance covers your own. If they do not have insurance, you likely have uninsured motorist coverage through Hagerty. Hagerty should fix your car and go after them for reimbursement. You should not have to deal with that yourself. Nor should your rate go up because this wasn't your fault. But sometimes that happens anyway after a claim. Finally, if you're inclined to for any reason, consider letting Hagerty know other policy holders insured through them are watching to see how this plays out. Good luck!
Quote from: myk on April 17, 2018, 04:33:42 AM
Should I file one now?
You shouldn't even have to ask, the longer you wait, the sorrier you might be, most States require that it be filed within 10 days of the accident, you might find the kid/dad concocting their own version of the accident? trying to weasel out of responsibility....DAMHIK
You were more restrained than I would have been, there would have been a beat down for some texting kid rear ending my car, sorry about your car I know it hurts, but cover your ass with a police report, make sure the kid has Insurance, license, registration, if not press charges esp if your State has driving/texting laws and he "cops" to texting while hitting you, hang that on him as well....
I'm the same driving, I always watch 360 degrees for texting fools, drunks, just plain idiots on the road, esp when driving one of my toys,there's always some kid wanting to hang on my ass and video my car not paying attention to what he's doing, that's what he may have been doing to you, he might even be stupid enough to upload a video of the accident as it happened!
Good luck getting your ride repaired, Hagerty is usually very good in paying out claims, you just need to find a good shop...
Mike
So sad to see, but it might have been worse. glad you are ok. I have a tail light for you if you need it. Free, just pay shipping
Quote from: DAY CLONA on April 17, 2018, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: myk on April 17, 2018, 04:33:42 AM
Should I file one now?
You shouldn't even have to ask, the longer you wait, the sorrier you might be, most States require that it be filed within 10 days of the accident, you might find the kid/dad concocting their own version of the accident? trying to weasel out of responsibility....DAMHIK
Mike
Actually in CA you have to report it to the DMV (not the police) if the damages exceed $1,000...but the insurance company usually does it once you report the accident to them- though I suppose you could double check to feel better about it.
As far as the kid/dad concocting their own version, they can do that anyway and merely say you lied when you made the report, that's why its useless as "evidence".
Quote from: myk on April 17, 2018, 12:17:28 AM
Driver was a 20 year old kid, whose father is now saying that they do not have collision coverage on their Toyota and that they will have to pay out of their own pockets. Is this true? I don't know how insurance policies work in situations like this...
A 2014 with no collision? Doubtful... unless the people are really really stupid and also got enough $ to pay off a newerish car. If it has payments, it has collision... dad's trying to sucker you. :Twocents: Anyway, your damage is paid by their liability... but Hagerty will take care of you and then fight it out with their company for reimbursement.
Sorry about the crash... sucks when it's not your fault... sigh :shruggy:
Quote from: BrianShaughnessy on April 17, 2018, 05:10:09 PM
Quote from: myk on April 17, 2018, 12:17:28 AM
Driver was a 20 year old kid, whose father is now saying that they do not have collision coverage on their Toyota and that they will have to pay out of their own pockets. Is this true? I don't know how insurance policies work in situations like this...
A 2014 with no collision? Doubtful... unless the people are really really stupid and also got enough $ to pay off a newerish car. If it has payments, it has collision... dad's trying to sucker you. :Twocents: Anyway, your damage is paid by their liability... but Hagerty will take care of you and then fight it out with their company for reimbursement.
Sorry about the crash... sucks when it's not your fault... sigh :shruggy:
Yes, collision pays for his car, liability pays for yours.
Hey, Myk...Glad to see that you are okay but the way that you returned to the forum could have been better!
My understanding is that a police report would pretty much guarantee fault on the other driver due to the circumstances you described. He would have likely been cited for the texting, following too close and if it is true, carrying inadequate insurance.
Your car will be fine. I'd rather repair crash damage than to cut off quarter panels and cowls to get rid of rust. I'd suggest a shop that has experience in custom work rather than a "cookie cutter" collision shop that repairs minivans and pickup trucks.
I look forward to reading more from you. You were a positive member here and I miss your viewpoints.
Just a quick update: the Camry's insurance company left a message for me, stating they have declared that they are officially at fault and are waiting for me to tell them if I am continuing the claim process through insurance or just dealing with the owners myself. Obviously I'm sticking with insurance as it's the only proper way to handle this situation.
For those who are wondering, Hagerty's treatment of me has been first class so far. As soon as I get the official estimate then it is my responsibility to find the shop to do the work, which is easier said than done IMO. Hagerty has "recommended" shops; they claim that if I use them the repair work is guaranteed. If I elect to go with someone else the work is not guaranteed.
What do you guys think about that?
QuoteTurn it in to Hagerty and let them fight it out. Main stream insurers don't know how to properly handle classic car claims usually./quote]
This is the real value of being insured beyond being covered. They have the professionals on staff to deal with the other insurance companies and manage through the processes instead of your valuable time being taken up.
Don't cry for the other folks just because they have to pay out of pocket to fix their car. That is the risk they knowingly chose. Having saved modest premiums all these years, now they catch up and perhaps learn a lesson from it.
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 17, 2018, 06:40:17 PM
My understanding is that a police report would pretty much guarantee fault on the other driver due to the circumstances you described. He would have likely been cited for the texting, following too close and if it is true, carrying inadequate insurance.
Nope. It's literally in the vehicle code (http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=20013.&lawCode=VEH). However, if the officers cited him independently based on their own observation (ie. if they actually saw him texting and following close at the time of the accident), they could serve as witnesses. And being cited for inadequate insurance only proves that he is inadequately insured, not that he was at fault. Even then, he would actually have to be convicted of the offenses. But again, going to the police station a day or three later and making a report is not sufficient by any means to establish liability. If that were the case, that's all anyone would need to do every time they got into an accident to pin it on the other guy. Thats not to say that his insuramce company couldnt look at it and say "well...looks like we're f-ed...lets try to settle"...but in court? No.
But really we're just splitting hairs here, because thankfully the damage to the car doesn't appear to be catastrophic and no one was seriously injured, so we're not talking about a million dollar case that either insurance company is going to spend a small fortune to litigate. From what myk says, its going to get handled...and that's all that matters.
I'm glad it's not worse, Myk. Sounds like things are working out.
Damn. The pic of your car.....then his.......I gotta admit, I audibly chuckled at the difference in the damage sustained by each vehicle.
Panzer vs. pop can.
Quote from: myk on April 17, 2018, 06:50:03 PM
Hagerty has "recommended" shops; they claim that if I use them the repair work is guaranteed. If I elect to go with someone else the work is not guaranteed.
What do you guys think about that?
State Farm also does that. I'm fine with it. I had to have the Challenger repaired twice in 3 years and I went with two of their approved shops and the car looks as if nothing ever happened.
Very sorry about the car. I would be sick over It. On the other hand, I am relieved you didn't come back to tell us you had six months to live. I was a little concerned when I saw the title of the thread.
I am a Nervouse Nelly watching every idiot on the road instead of enjoying the ride. The exponential increase in morons, morons texting and driving, and deer, has kind of sucked the fun out of driving my Charger.
I also have Hagerty. It's good to hear they are treating you right.
Good to hear from you MYK. :2thumbs: I have worked in and been around collision repair my entire life. (My brother still owns a shop). Don't worry too much about the lifetime warranty from the insurance company, because any good, reputable shop will also offer a lifetime warranty. However, the only drawback to the shop's warranty is that if they go out of business, then so does your warranty. :eek2:
If the other party's insurance is wanting to fix it in a way that seems inferior to you then don't hesitate to get your insurance (Hagerty) involved. Hagerty will handle the claim, then go after the other insurance company for reimbursement. :yesnod:
On another note, it might be a good time to add these to make it easier for idiots to see that you aren't moving. :2thumbs:
https://www.ebay.com/i/152890461791?chn=ps
I didn't tell you this, but you might can get the shop to put in the estimate that the bulbs need replacing and put these in the estimate as the replacements.
Another thing to note, when the accident isn't your fault then the insurance company should pay you "diminished value" to make up for the fact that your car has now been wrecked. It usually isn't much $$$$ but make sure you ask about it. :2thumbs:
Glad no one was hurt and Hagerty is taking care of you. I had a young woman at a gas station jump into her car at the pump in front of me and proceed to lay into the gas pedal with it in reverse. The only thing that saved my front end was she had set the parking brake. You could see the car stand up. Man my heart stopped that day.
Quote from: Ponch ® on April 17, 2018, 06:50:49 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 17, 2018, 06:40:17 PM
My understanding is that a police report would pretty much guarantee fault on the other driver due to the circumstances you described. He would have likely been cited for the texting, following too close and if it is true, carrying inadequate insurance.
Nope. It's literally in the vehicle code (http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=20013.&lawCode=VEH). [....snip.....]
Just for the sake of clarity... EVERY STATE is different. I've gone through this several times in NH and from direct experience in NH (again state dependent) - I always have the police come to the scene and write a report. I had a woman run a stop sign and clip my front end. She tried to talk me out of the officer visit, and then proceeded to feed the officer and me invalid/expired insurance info and an old address. The only way I got a payment from the ins company BEFORE the litigation completed (8 moths later on their dime) was because of the Police Report. :Twocents:
Quote from: bakerhillpins on April 18, 2018, 09:48:03 AM
Glad no one was hurt and Hagerty is taking care of you. I had a young woman at a gas station jump into her car at the pump in front of me and proceed to lay into the gas pedal with it in reverse. The only thing that saved my front end was she had set the parking brake. You could see the car stand up. Man my heart stopped that day.
Quote from: Ponch ® on April 17, 2018, 06:50:49 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 17, 2018, 06:40:17 PM
My understanding is that a police report would pretty much guarantee fault on the other driver due to the circumstances you described. He would have likely been cited for the texting, following too close and if it is true, carrying inadequate insurance.
Nope. It's literally in the vehicle code (http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=20013.&lawCode=VEH). [....snip.....]
Just for the sake of clarity... EVERY STATE is different. I've gone through this several times in NH and from direct experience in NH (again state dependent) - I always have the police come to the scene and write a report. I had a woman run a stop sign and clip my front end. She tried to talk me out of the officer visit, and then proceeded to feed the officer and me invalid/expired insurance info and an old address. The only way I got a payment from the ins company BEFORE the litigation completed (8 moths later on their dime) was because of the Police Report. :Twocents:
Absolutely, every state is different. As I did mention, some times the insurance companies will look at the accident report and decide that their insured will lose
if what is in it is eventually proven to be true at trial/litigation, they will settle rather than spend more money fighting it than it's worth. Admittedly I'm only familiar with California law (where myk's unfortunate incident took place), but I'd be surprised if evidentiary rules are that much different in other states. Hearsay is hearsay, after all. So I'm not saying that having a police report made at the scene is a bad idea (they do have their uses, although they're still not dispositive of what actually happened/whose fault it was), but doing it days later based on your version of the events is pointless.
Just a quick update folks, I received the estimate from Hagerty. I have to say I'm suprised to see that the estimate isn't calling for replacement of the tail and lower valance panels, like they had originally mentioned and I had predicted; it lists "repair" for the work order. Am I wrong for not being 100% OK with that? Or am I just too used to modern cars where you just replace components all of the time instead of actually repairing things? I'm getting a new (?) pair of tail lights and reverse lights AND a bumper, which I'm puzzled by because the bumper looks straight to me; it's just scratched up from the impact. And then of course there's a fuel tank. I'm still thinking I'll have to replace the Hotchkiss shock that's being impacted by the passenger side exhaust; but none of that will become relevant until the car is on the lift.
Also Hagerty cut a check and is fed-ex'ing it to me, for a grand total of $3500? Again I was predicting a much more costly repair, but Hagerty is telling me that this is just the preliminary amount, and that more might be needed during the process. Hagerty was also quick to point out that if that is the case then the car is covered.
Because there are so many body shops in San Diego and I can't distinguish them from one another, I'm taking Kern's recommendation that I go with a body shop that has a relationship with Hagerty. Hagerty also mentioned that the work is "guaranteed" with these Hagerty associated shops, but I want to dig in deeper to what the guarantee actually does. The Charger will be picked up and sent to the body shop this afternoon; I know it's very sudden but the broken status of this car is not good with me.
Again, I can't thank you guys enough for your support through all of this. It took this unfortunate incident to bring me back here, but I'm glad I did so. I've said it before: I don't know what I'd do without DC.com, and that is still relevant today. I'll keep you guys updated...
Sounds like your in good hands there.
Personally I would call around or drive around to some body shops and see who has maybe worked on cars like that somewhat regularly, maybe ask guys at some car shows where they go.
Quote from: myk on April 18, 2018, 01:17:46 PM
I'm taking Kern's recommendation that I go with a body shop that has a relationship with Hagerty.
Given the circumstances, that's seems the way to go. You don't want to deal with taking it to a non-approved shop and then later having to argue w Hagerty about how [insert repair/work recommended by said shop] is or isn't needed, covered, overpriced, etc. In my experience w insurance approved shops, if the shop says it needs it, it gets done.
Well, the car is at the shop. I asked about an estimate for turnaround, but these guys are insisting on trying to source OEM parts, even though I politely reminded them this is not a Mustang or a Camaro it's a Mopar, and finding OEM is right up there with Raiders of the Lost Ark sort of things. Well, looks like I'm in body shop hell AGAIN...
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/807/41547368241_057b174e56_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26ip86c)tow (https://flic.kr/p/26ip86c) by (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137548961@N08/)
I have an nos tail panel and valance.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on April 18, 2018, 05:37:42 PM
I have an nos tail panel and valance.
Oh wow, thanks for the heads up. So...is the AMD/aftermarket stuff just not up to par? These guys are REALLY insistent on OEM...
Well that's a bummer! At least you didn't get hurt and sounds like the insurance will make everything right. You'll be back to cruising in no time.
Wow, that is a BRIGHT orange color. I forgot how shiny the car was too. :2thumbs:
Maybe I'll see you at the Van Nuys Fall Fling in October? Spring Fling next year? If I'm motivated enough to get off of my ass, I'll have my car there.
Quote from: RECHRGD on April 17, 2018, 02:39:47 PM
Sorry about that Myk! That's everyone's nightmare on this board. I'm almost scared to drive my car anymore. I've had too many close calls in recent years caused by texting or otherwise distracted drivers......
x2 :'(
Quote from: Fred on April 18, 2018, 09:38:14 PM
Quote from: RECHRGD on April 17, 2018, 02:39:47 PM
Sorry about that Myk! That’s everyone’s nightmare on this board. I’m almost scared to drive my car anymore. I’ve had too many close calls in recent years caused by texting or otherwise distracted drivers......
x2 :'(
I'm going to have additional body work done on the car while it's in dry dock, mainly the doors and straightening out my grille that I could never figure out. I think I'll finally get that tail stripe too! The charger will be better than before but.....now I'm not so sure I'll be driving it as much anymore.
It's funny, because I look back when I first got the car in 1994 in my college days. I worked at McDonald's to support the car and life was good! I daily drove the Charger, took it to the beach, went to school and work with it, partied in it, drove through rush hour traffic in it, went to funerals, weddings, baby showers, took it to Disneyland, slept, ate and basically lived in the car and thought nothing of it. HELL I remember a time when a bunch of us at a college dorm gathered around the car; sitting around it, in it, "on top of it" and we took a group photo. I wish I had that picture for the memories, but also as a reminder of how young and carefree I was with the Charger. And dont even get me started with the street racing stuff.
Fast forward to now: the Charger is in the best shape it's been since I bought it 24 years ago. People don't call it a "bomber" anymore and actually call it a "very nice car," even though I think it has a long way to go before I can personally consider it nice. But, now I find myself not having fun with it any more. Now, it's become a source of stress. Caring, maintaining, modifying, tuning and securing the car have made ownership of the car a more menial and stressful task as opposed to the reckless yet FUN days I had with it when I was in my roaring 20's. And now with this accident I have to really look at how the roads have changed over the last 3 decades. The roads themselves are full of more potholes and damage, perfect when you're driving an unforgiving Hotchkiss suspension. But it's the drivers and the congestion, the danger they cause!
I used to talk down to people who didn't drive their special interest vehicles because, cars were made to be driven! "You're stupid if you don't daily drive your 1965 Shelby Cobra 427" was my attitude. But now, I totally get why people don't drive their special interest vehicles all too much. With all of the blood, sweat, tears, dollars and sacrifices that go into our cars, why leave it up to some texting, tide pod eating teeny bopper to destroy everything you've worked so hard for? The stress anticipating and the heartache after an incident is just too much in my opinion. My Hagerty agent was telling me that after he was going to get off of the phone with me, he was going to tell another Charger owner in Indiana who also got rear ended, that the car his deceased father had passed down to him was going to be declared totaled, a complete loss. Can you imagine the sorrow?
I don't know what's going to happen when I get the car back. Maybe I'll learn to live with the fear of yet another accident happening. Maybe I'll just trailer the car to show and shine car gatherings and forget the cruises. Maybe I'll park the car in storage indefinitely and buy a 5.0 Mustang instead. All I know is that everything; the Charger, the world and definitely I have changed, and nothing is as simple or carefree as sitting on the roof of your 60's era classic muscle car to take a picture with your friends anymore...
Very well said MYK. There is a lot of truth to what you are saying. As we get older we start to consider the "what if". It can take some of the fun out of it, but it can also keep us alive because that is actually called wisdom. I have the same fears about my car, I think we all do. I personally have decided to just make sure I have adequate insurance coverage and hope for the best. I'm not saying this is what everyone else should do, only giving my personal thoughts and plans.
I posted it on the previous page but I will post it again here because I think any owner who drives their car should consider this upgrade just to be more noticeable to the morons that are behind you.
https://digi-tails.com/1969-1970-dodge-charger-led-tail-light-panels
https://digi-tails.com/1968-dodge-charger-led-tail-light-panels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUj5P_v1psc
Quote from: garner7555 on April 19, 2018, 06:47:44 AM
Very well said MYK. There is a lot of truth to what you are saying. As we get older we start to consider the "what if". It can take some of the fun out of it, but it can also keep us alive because that is actually called wisdom. I have the same fears about my car, I think we all do. I personally have decided to just make sure I have adequate insurance coverage and hope for the best. I'm not saying this is what everyone else should do, only giving my personal thoughts and plans.
I posted it on the previous page but I will post it again here because I think any owner who drives their car should consider this upgrade just to be more noticeable to the morons that are behind you.
https://digi-tails.com/1969-1970-dodge-charger-led-tail-light-panels
https://digi-tails.com/1968-dodge-charger-led-tail-light-panels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUj5P_v1psc
I liked those tail lights, but they just don't do it for me anymore.. They kind of ruin what I like most about the 69-70 lights. I like their 68 lights.. A third brake light would be a better item than those tail lights. But, they are all for not if the Plumber doesn't put down his phone before plowing into your new Mazda 3..
Quote from: myk on April 19, 2018, 02:32:09 AM
Quote from: Fred on April 18, 2018, 09:38:14 PM
Quote from: RECHRGD on April 17, 2018, 02:39:47 PM
Sorry about that Myk! That's everyone's nightmare on this board. I'm almost scared to drive my car anymore. I've had too many close calls in recent years caused by texting or otherwise distracted drivers......
x2 :'(
I'm going to have additional body work done on the car while it's in dry dock, mainly the doors and straightening out my grille that I could never figure out. I think I'll finally get that tail stripe too! The charger will be better than before but.....now I'm not so sure I'll be driving it as much anymore.
It's funny, because I look back when I first got the car in 1994 in my college days. I worked at McDonald's to support the car and life was good! I daily drove the Charger, took it to the beach, went to school and work with it, partied in it, drove through rush hour traffic in it, went to funerals, weddings, baby showers, took it to Disneyland, slept, ate and basically lived in the car and thought nothing of it. HELL I remember a time when a bunch of us at a college dorm gathered around the car; sitting around it, in it, "on top of it" and we took a group photo. I wish I had that picture for the memories, but also as a reminder of how young and carefree I was with the Charger. And dont even get me started with the street racing stuff.
Fast forward to now: the Charger is in the best shape it's been since I bought it 24 years ago. People don't call it a "bomber" anymore and actually call it a "very nice car," even though I think it has a long way to go before I can personally consider it nice. But, now I find myself not having fun with it any more. Now, it's become a source of stress. Caring, maintaining, modifying, tuning and securing the car have made ownership of the car a more menial and stressful task as opposed to the reckless yet FUN days I had with it when I was in my roaring 20's. And now with this accident I have to really look at how the roads have changed over the last 3 decades. The roads themselves are full of more potholes and damage, perfect when you're driving an unforgiving Hotchkiss suspension. But it's the drivers and the congestion, the danger they cause!
I used to talk down to people who didn't drive their special interest vehicles because, cars were made to be driven! "You're stupid if you don't daily drive your 1965 Shelby Cobra 427" was my attitude. But now, I totally get why people don't drive their special interest vehicles all too much. With all of the blood, sweat, tears, dollars and sacrifices that go into our cars, why leave it up to some texting, tide pod eating teeny bopper to destroy everything you've worked so hard for? The stress anticipating and the heartache after an incident is just too much in my opinion. My Hagerty agent was telling me that after he was going to get off of the phone with me, he was going to tell another Charger owner in Indiana who also got rear ended, that the car his deceased father had passed down to him was going to be declared totaled, a complete loss. Can you imagine the sorrow?
I don't know what's going to happen when I get the car back. Maybe I'll learn to live with the fear of yet another accident happening. Maybe I'll just trailer the car to show and shine car gatherings and forget the cruises. Maybe I'll park the car in storage indefinitely and buy a 5.0 Mustang instead. All I know is that everything; the Charger, the world and definitely I have changed, and nothing is as simple or carefree as sitting on the roof of your 60's era classic muscle car to take a picture with your friends anymore...
I'm right there with you Myk. I've had mine for 21 years now and have just turned 70. For me, the car was mostly a returning to my youth thing, as I had a new one in '68. I've loved driving it and all the positive attention received while doing so. Maybe it's just me, but people's driving skills seem to be just going in the toilet as of late. Attitudes seem to be changing also. Yes, all the thumbs ups and "great car" comments are still there and appreciated. But now I run into more aggressive drivers while in the car than ever before. Maybe it's jealousy (as the value of these cars increase) or misplaced anger at an old fart driving a planet killing machine. I still enjoy driving the car as much as ever, but have become very tired of the occasional tailgater and even getting cut off at times.....
thats why i leave to driving mine usually only on sundays when the socal freeways and streets are a little lighter in traffic then during the week.
Quote from: Derwud on April 19, 2018, 07:33:05 AM
Quote from: garner7555 on April 19, 2018, 06:47:44 AM
Very well said MYK. There is a lot of truth to what you are saying. As we get older we start to consider the "what if". It can take some of the fun out of it, but it can also keep us alive because that is actually called wisdom. I have the same fears about my car, I think we all do. I personally have decided to just make sure I have adequate insurance coverage and hope for the best. I'm not saying this is what everyone else should do, only giving my personal thoughts and plans.
I posted it on the previous page but I will post it again here because I think any owner who drives their car should consider this upgrade just to be more noticeable to the morons that are behind you.
https://digi-tails.com/1969-1970-dodge-charger-led-tail-light-panels
https://digi-tails.com/1968-dodge-charger-led-tail-light-panels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUj5P_v1psc
I liked those tail lights, but they just don't do it for me anymore.. They kind of ruin what I like most about the 69-70 lights. I like their 68 lights.. A third brake light would be a better item than those tail lights. But, they are all for not if the Plumber doesn't put down his phone before plowing into your new Mazda 3..
^^^ This 1000% Doesn't matter how many lights and how bright they are. You can paint your car day glow pink and put christmas tree lights all over it and it still wouldn't matter when a texter is looking at their phone rather than what's ahead.
Just yesterday a dipshit in a tesla on the freeway doing 70 was looking at his phone more than the road.....
I promply flipped him off for being a self centered, holier than thou, government subsidized electric car driver which of course he didn't see for the reason stated above :flame: ::)
When I drive my E-Type, I spend way to much time looking in the rear view mirror... I could just see getting decapitated by some soccer Mom in her Slade while checking her Make-up...
Quote from: HANDM on April 19, 2018, 12:48:38 PM
Quote from: Derwud on April 19, 2018, 07:33:05 AM
Quote from: garner7555 on April 19, 2018, 06:47:44 AM
Very well said MYK. There is a lot of truth to what you are saying. As we get older we start to consider the "what if". It can take some of the fun out of it, but it can also keep us alive because that is actually called wisdom. I have the same fears about my car, I think we all do. I personally have decided to just make sure I have adequate insurance coverage and hope for the best. I'm not saying this is what everyone else should do, only giving my personal thoughts and plans.
I posted it on the previous page but I will post it again here because I think any owner who drives their car should consider this upgrade just to be more noticeable to the morons that are behind you.
https://digi-tails.com/1969-1970-dodge-charger-led-tail-light-panels
https://digi-tails.com/1968-dodge-charger-led-tail-light-panels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUj5P_v1psc
I liked those tail lights, but they just don't do it for me anymore.. They kind of ruin what I like most about the 69-70 lights. I like their 68 lights.. A third brake light would be a better item than those tail lights. But, they are all for not if the Plumber doesn't put down his phone before plowing into your new Mazda 3..
^^^ This 1000% Doesn't matter how many lights and how bright they are. You can paint your car day glow pink and put christmas tree lights all over it and it still wouldn't matter when a texter is looking at their phone rather than what's ahead.
Just yesterday a dipshit in a tesla on the freeway doing 70 was looking at his phone more than the road.....
I promply flipped him off for being a self centered, holier than thou, government subsidized electric car driver which of course he didn't see for the reason stated above :flame: ::)
Brighter lights do help for the people who are paying attention though.
I'll consider the LED lights, but I'm definitely going with the 3rd brake light. The guy who does the heavy work on my car suggested I add a 3rd brake light years ago, but I just laughed it off. I know lighting tricks wouldn't have helped me Sunday night, but it might help other times. Then again, if someone can notice the lights ahead of them, LED or stock, wouldn't they be aware of me period?
Bodie do you run LED tail lights as well?
Quote from: myk on April 19, 2018, 02:38:05 PM
I'll consider the LED lights, but I'm definitely going with the 3rd brake light. The guy who does the heavy work on my car suggested I add a 3rd brake light years ago, but I just laughed it off. I know lighting tricks wouldn't have helped me Sunday night, but it might help other times. Then again, if someone can notice the lights ahead of them, LED or stock, wouldn't they be aware of me period?
Bodie do you run LED tail lights as well?
I have them in both of My 68 Chargers. My 69 Is very stock style so i didnt as of yet.
MY LED replacement bulbs. And this running of a 12 volt drill battery.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5m7Ef-GzLoPrcAev7GFAU-HHHoPV1BkHgFo0ZJ-tcb58bvCI0dzxqL9_RfatS30gsDJtjP7zEdAd8X-3WtFeAfBXQFKyQvSU1XEms05WMvv4eWpFpS6PdgEvTOh817t_ZqmQ1zLe_k4s9ejUo-JOdRYwDNeGXEXkOT5RsJfusyGM3GBtibK6a966Z3MAoryz_R9777L7zsTQ_UwbN46E9z3Q9SvpKF-WvwbnNz1N8rydDQNRqnjfubYF9dcwFuKeSRqB8D690f_4lqMwkRJClQ-ntZZbK0q3vdFPvq2W0gv_S9KQiHyNXET5VLdJRSV-zjggSvLh3Q5EvclzYtq08H5Eild-b4l811w_USEKCP_6FE-awq307r1mwmLvCW9Y91xJVhODy48yLiBoEcwQuI7gD-WZgHgLaYY4zLxnusI-qbnK04KnRHX3ybaMuHMXB1K1HPh_jpDsbNeaXWX6zRTP65aAvpIzJ05w1V6M9NdkTAhjNWf6qb99h-1UwTHTwLAeAOxXpuDA0XI_lcbtsPrOrlpPAg3td8yIH30n1_sjylVLnDcO3U-_4GMEnXLxg74coQDPPnz4qzToNC09hI7OpEqeOxio=w1688-h949-no)
That...is bright. So what, you just swap the innards inside of the housing, or something?
Quote from: myk on April 17, 2018, 10:58:35 AM
Appreciate all the support and feedback guys. Even though it's two days later I will try to file a police report now. So do you guys think those panels are going to have to be cut out? With the appraiser coming in about an hour or so I guess I'll get an official diagnosis...
First of all, as long as you're not hurt the rest can be taken care of. I've been an auto physical damage appraiser for over 20 years. The damage to your Charger, while heart breaking, appears not to be too severe. Things to look for: does the trunk open and close as it did before, are the trunk and door gaps the same as before? I suspect the doors are OK but with unibody cars, especially ones built nearly 50 years ago, the damage will travel through the car. Sometimes where you wouldn't expect it. If you don't have any luck finding a shop you trust, let me know. I'm located in the Northeast but I know other appraisers in SoCal who will know some good collision repair shops in your area. Keep in mind, most really good collision shops prefer NOT to work on older cars (at least on the East Coast that's how things usually go). So you often need to look for shops that can do unibody collision work, can paint just about anything and don't mind working on cars older than 10 years old.
As for getting a police report, you will want to get one. Always, always get the police to the scene of an accident. You did nothing wrong and you have nothing to lose, other than an hour of your time. By not getting a police report, you open yourself up to getting a call from local police (or your insurance company) in a couple of weeks because some guy is claiming you backed into his car. You just never know, so protect yourself.
Hope that helps a little. Again, the damage does not appear too bad, I'd guess it's around $4K-$5K from I can see in your photo. The lower valence can be straightened, anything can be straightened, but is it really worth straightening? AMD panel plus labor, may just be easier to replace it. Take solace in the fact that it could have been much worse.
Feel free to contact me with any questions...
Mike
Quote from: myk on April 19, 2018, 03:57:00 PM
That...is bright. So what, you just swap the innards inside of the housing, or something?
Just replacement bulbs from M4Led. Just tell Steve you want the Derwud Tail light special..
http://m4products.com (http://m4products.com)
Myk, I know a guy that drives his 1969 Coronet R/T as if it were 1973. Rain, wind, traffic, desolate highways with no gas stations for a hundred miles. He takes it to shows, cruise ins, daily drives it and has a great time. He owns a 2009 Challenger but it only has 14,000 miles on it. This is a guy that is living the dream, enjoying the car and enjoying life.
Don't let this change you. Let it be a reality check but don't let it stop you from enjoying the car. I understand how you feel but it is repairable. If it gets bent again, FIX it again. With some of the crazy car builds I've seen, the car would have to be wadded up really bad for an enthusiast to consider it a "total loss".
I am trying to adopt the mentality of my Coronet buddy with my car. They were not built to sit in the shed wasting away.
I know that Coronet guy... He is a Crazy Sum-B.... But yes, drive it like you own it and insure like you want to keep it!
Sorry about the bad luck MYK, but if you've been driving it since 1994, and this is your first accident, I'd say that's a great run of luck. Making it 20 plus years with no incidents is awesome, and it looks like the car can be repaired better than before.
Another idea about the led taillights. Im not a fan of the multiple led dots that are visible in those aftermarket tails, but I have an idea. There is a semi transparent, light diffusing film used in plasma (?) televisions that is clear enough to let light through, but opaque enough to blur the bulbs behind it and distort the light. Basically making it look like one wall of bright light instead of rows of LEDs. Im kicking around the idea of those led lights too, and plan on using those sheets with them to keep it looking more "classic." I would just have to install the sheet of film in between the taillamp lens and the led strip. Easy.
If I can find a post of someone using it, I'll post a pic. It's a way for you to have brighter brake lights with a more classic look. I was going to wait and make a thread on the subject after I had the bulbs, but it seems like a helpful spot to post if if anyone is considering the idea. If you want to look it up, it's simply called "light diffusing film".
Sorry to see that...it is a shame more and more people driving distracted and oblivious of the potential havoc they can cause...destruction of property, loss of life, etc. Had you been on a motorcycle it could have been much worse for you; if the kid rear ended a tanker truck it could have been far worse for his personal vehicle.
That said, it looks like Hagery is taking care of things and working towards a quick resolution...the shop sounds decent, might drop in fairly often just to "check in" so you can keep tabs on parts arriving, repairs being done, etc. If that isn't your style, you could leave a camera and ask them to document things. If you are making use of the downtime and giving them the extra work with the doors/grill it seems like they would do their best to take care of you for the positive word of mouth and to earn any future business. It is increasingly difficult to find a body shop that likes doing "cool" stuff over collision work, but maybe they are the ones that get more enjoyment from putting tail stripes and painting new hoods for people. Maybe you'll get the collision stuff taken care of, add a few other upgrades, and wind up having a solid body shop connection for the future?
As for the concerns, I totally get it. I would do my best to not let it detract from your previous lifestyle. You seem to be the most happy with the car driving it, I'd stick to that. The sad reality is that even if you hop in a different car, it can just as easily be rear ended when someone else isn't paying attention. If you own a car, chances are it is because you like it. So while having a Jeep rear ended might not be as stressful as the Charger, it would still suck. And with more parts on the market, you have a little worry eliminated with the Charger.
Either way, hopefully the repairs go well and the body shop turns out to be good for you and the Charger.
Self driving cars can't get here soon enough for me. Then they "stay connected" all they want.
Quote from: stripedelete on April 21, 2018, 07:49:43 AM
Self driving cars can't get here soon enough for me. Then they "stay connected" all they want.
Something tells me "self driving vehicles" will be just as bad as texting/drunk/inattentive/inexperienced/etc/etc drivers, just another road hazard to avoid and navigate around
Quote from: stripedelete on April 21, 2018, 07:49:43 AM
Self driving cars can't get here soon enough for me. Then they "stay connected" all they want.
No.
This is another step towards Government control of the people. Facebook was a sneaky and clever way to gather information on people. Welfare is also another way to control minds and voter biases. Self driving cars will create yet another form of dependence.
Idiots are surrendering their freedoms one by one and will surely look back one day wondering HOW they got where they are, literally and figuratively.
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 21, 2018, 12:05:24 PM
Quote from: stripedelete on April 21, 2018, 07:49:43 AM
Self driving cars can't get here soon enough for me. Then they "stay connected" all they want.
No.
This is another step towards Government control of the people. Facebook was a sneaky and clever way to gather information on people. Welfare is also another way to control minds and voter biases. Self driving cars will create yet another form of dependence.
Idiots are surrendering their freedoms one by one and will surely look back one day wondering HOW they got where they are, literally and figuratively.
It's already "game over". We just need to die so no one remembers the "before time":). Smart cars will just be "piling on". Credit cards and smart phones have done the heavy lifting (and of course Facebook). Getting rid of cash that's stick-a-fork-in-it. But, all this is for another thread.
Btw, the kick in the pants will be higher insurance rates for those of us who choose to drive.
sorry to hear myk.....
Quote from: Kern Dog on April 21, 2018, 12:05:24 PM
Quote from: stripedelete on April 21, 2018, 07:49:43 AM
Self driving cars can't get here soon enough for me. Then they "stay connected" all they want.
No.
This is another step towards Government control of the people. Facebook was a sneaky and clever way to gather information on people. Welfare is also another way to control minds and voter biases. Self driving cars will create yet another form of dependence.
Idiots are surrendering their freedoms one by one and will surely look back one day wondering HOW they got where they are, literally and figuratively.
I agree 100%.
I have a set of tail light buckets for anyone that wants to do the FULL LED change on a 69 or 70 Charger.
Just an update.
16 days later and nothing has happened to the car in the shop other than a bunch of green marks on the damaged panels in the back. Oh and there's the complimentary 1 inch layer of dust all over the car because that's the rent price of living in a body shop. My personal favorite is that they left my windows open so now the restored interior that I've kept spotless for years is now ash grey instead of shiny black.
In any case, they're now asking me to find two replacement tail lights and backup lights. They don't want me to buy them, they just want me to tell them where they are so they can buy them; presumably so they can mark them up and have Hagerty pay more than they should. The shop is insisting on OEM only, they don't want to use reproductions like I can find on ebay all day long.
Is there any reason to this? They're trying to make it seem like using only OEM pieces is a matter of life and death and that's why they haven't touched the car yet, but personally I find it hard to believe that the reproductions aren't good enough? So what say you guys? Do I tell these guys to go with the reproductions or do I need to hold out for OEM parts? Thanks again...
If they treat your car that way right out of the gate ,I'd get it out of there and take it elsewhere.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on May 04, 2018, 06:10:04 PM
If they treat your car that way right out of the gate ,I'd get it out of there and take it elsewhere.
That's what I'm thinking right now. I called them out on it and they apologized. They promised to have the car professionally detailed but still...its the principle of the matter.
Bodie what's your take on the reproduction tail and backup lights? I bet they're as good or better than the originals...
Quote from: myk on May 04, 2018, 06:14:13 PM
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on May 04, 2018, 06:10:04 PM
If they treat your car that way right out of the gate ,I'd get it out of there and take it elsewhere.
That's what I'm thinking right now. I called them out on it and they apologized. They promised to have the car professionally detailed but still...its the principle of the matter.
Bodie what's your take on the reproduction tail and backup lights? I bet they're as good or better than the originals...
I wonder if it is Hagerty that is pushing on the OE thing..
Quote from: Derwud on May 04, 2018, 07:25:28 PM
Quote from: myk on May 04, 2018, 06:14:13 PM
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on May 04, 2018, 06:10:04 PM
If they treat your car that way right out of the gate ,I'd get it out of there and take it elsewhere.
That's what I'm thinking right now. I called them out on it and they apologized. They promised to have the car professionally detailed but still...its the principle of the matter.
Bodie what's your take on the reproduction tail and backup lights? I bet they're as good or better than the originals...
Why would they do that? From what I can tell OEM pieces will cost twice as much, look half as good and take three times as long to be found...
I wonder if it is Hagerty that is pushing on the OE thing..
Sounds like the shop is disrespecting your time and property. I'd pull it from them and find another one.
And also, I would love for the Bodyshop to explain where you're expected to find an OE valence for a 69 Charger. The only way you'll ever find one is to search the web for years to find the guy with an N.O.S. one stored in a basement somewhere.
Bodyshops are hell. And this is coming from a former body man.
Not all body shops are hell.......... repop back up lights are pretty nice. As for the tail lights I don't have any experience with repop of those.
Quote from: JR on May 04, 2018, 07:54:30 PM
Sounds like the shop is disrespecting your time and property. I'd pull it from them and find another one.
And also, I would love for the Bodyshop to explain where you're expected to find an OE valence for a 69 Charger. The only way you'll ever find one is to search the web for years to find the guy with an N.O.S. one stored in a basement somewhere.
Bodyshops are hell. And this is coming from a former body man.
Yeah I hear ya. Well now they want to FIX the lower valance and tail panel instead of replacing them; I think I'm OK with that but I think they're wasting their time with the OEM tail and reverse lights they want me to find. Unless you guys say otherwise I think the reproductions should be adequate...
Body shops are used to demanding OEM parts for newer cars. In that case it merely raises the prices a bit and doesn't cause any huge difficulty. Also, it costs them nothing to tell somebody else to find them a rarer part.
You'll just have to fight that battle with them. Or take it to some other shop perhaps.
So should I try to find OEM tail and reverse lights or just tell them to go with repro's?
They and Hagerty are trying to avoid really cheap knock off parts.. OEM, or OE Authorized vs. E-Flay crap..
This would have prevented the dust problem:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Clear-Plastic-Temporary-Universal-Disposable-Car-Cover-Rain-Dust-Garage-Cover-C/190667731186?hash=item2c64aeb0f2:g:ErMAAOSwp0paoY60
I have several of these and they work well for the price.
The shop should have provided something like this to protect your car from body shop filth. :Twocents:
As far as the taillights go...
I think they're stalling you.
They've got your car held captive, they have no intention of working on it for some time, so they send you on a wild goose chase looking for OEM parts while they slap together a few dozen more wrecked Hyundais for the quick insurance checks...
Meanwhile you're stuck waiting, while your car rots in body shop Hell...
Sorry to here this, just sold my N.O.S. lights last year after 30 plus years of having them. If it was a 68 N.O.S. tail light panel, I would have you covered.
Time to find a properly recommended shop in your area if you can't perform the work yourself, ....I'd be livid if my property was treated like a salvage auction parts vehicle covered in bondo/paint dust, never mind the interior exposed to it as well, if this is their work ethic, I can just imagine the grade of repair
Sorry but I abhor body shops that let any vehicle/parts get covered in shit, plastic car bags/covers are cheaper than detailing a vehicle later on, plus it speaks volumes of a shops work habits, work and appreciation of a customers vehicle/property...
Good used taillights are not that hard to find, are they?
All the ones I saw on ebay don't look better than the ones I have on right now. I'd keep mine except the bezel is loose on the left side and the right side lens is now cracked in half vertically.
Question: the lens are cracked but the housing for both lights are OK. Can't I just buy the lens and call it a day or do I have to buy the entire tail light assembly including the housings?
BE&A repop tail lights are missing the argent silver accent stripe painted horizontally across the center of the lens.
Classic Industries repop tail lights HAVE the argent silver accent stripe painted horizontally across the center of the lens. They look pretty good to me. Classic has a 30% off going on code MTR18
Wow thanks so much for the information. So, I don't have to buy the entire assembly, just the lens correct?
Edit: damn, they're backordered...
Quote from: myk on May 05, 2018, 03:00:30 AM
So, I don't have to buy the entire assembly, just the lens correct?
Yes, I sent Classic an email asking when will they be available, if I don't hear anything i'll call.
Quote from: Mopar Nut on May 05, 2018, 02:57:53 PM
Quote from: myk on May 05, 2018, 03:00:30 AM
So, I don't have to buy the entire assembly, just the lens correct?
Yes, I sent Classic an email asking when will they be available, if I don't hear anything i'll call.
I will do the same. Thanks again...
Do any of the repro '69 taillight lenses not have the 1970-style backup lenses faintly visible in them? A few years ago the '69 repops all had that problem.
From the City of San Diego web site:
What should I do if I'm involved in an accident?
The San Diego Police Department responds only to injury and hit-and-run accidents. If it is a minor hit-and-run, you may be directed to the nearest police substation to complete a report. If it is a property damage accident, you should exchange information with the other driver. Information should include: name, address, insurance information, driver's license number, date of birth, phone number, owner of the vehicle, owner's address, vehicle year, vehicle make and model, vehicle license number and state. Also note the date, time and location of the accident. Notify your insurance company of the accident.
https://www.sandiego.gov/police/services/faqs/traffic (https://www.sandiego.gov/police/services/faqs/traffic)
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on May 05, 2018, 04:52:25 PM
Do any of the repro '69 taillight lenses not have the 1970-style backup lenses faintly visible in them? A few years ago the '69 repops all had that problem.
The ones from BE&A did, you can see it now just faintly in the picture.
Another crash due to stupidity. Would of smashed his phone. Anyone on the phone like that while driving should be put in jail and have their license torn up on the spot.
Thanks for wrecking an iconic car with your phone. :flame:
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on May 05, 2018, 04:52:25 PM
Do any of the repro '69 taillight lenses not have the 1970-style backup lenses faintly visible in them? A few years ago the '69 repops all had that problem.
The 1969 and 70 cars had separate backup lights in the valance. Do you mean reflectors ?
Quote from: myk on May 05, 2018, 03:00:30 AM
Wow thanks so much for the information. So, I don't have to buy the entire assembly, just the lens correct?
Edit: damn, they're backordered...
Some light reading on my experience with the Classic Industries lenses and trim:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,116275.0.html
Quote from: Kern Dog on May 05, 2018, 09:37:08 PM
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on May 05, 2018, 04:52:25 PM
Do any of the repro '69 taillight lenses not have the 1970-style backup lenses faintly visible in them? A few years ago the '69 repops all had that problem.
The 1969 and 70 cars had separate backup lights in the valance. Do you mean reflectors ?
He's thinking of these lens where the white reflectors were colored red, looked obvious they were a afterthought.
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on May 05, 2018, 09:42:48 PM
Quote from: myk on May 05, 2018, 03:00:30 AM
Wow thanks so much for the information. So, I don't have to buy the entire assembly, just the lens correct?
Edit: damn, they're backordered...
Some light reading on my experience with the Classic Industries lenses and trim:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,116275.0.html
What I gleaned from all of that is that the quality of these tail light parts was suspect at one point but has been fixed? Another important piece I read was that all of the various parts houses are selling the same part, from China no less. Ultimately I don't think I have a choice but to roll the dice with these China pieces. Either that or let the car rot in the shop indefinitely, as waiting for OEM will only prove to be cost prohibitive, if not impossible to come by...
Good, clean taillight lenses are often found at the Van Nuys Spring and Fall Fling. I have two rights and a left but I've never looked close enough to see if they are the 69 model without reflectors or the 1970 versions like I'd actually need.
Quote from: Mopar Nut on May 05, 2018, 02:29:53 AM
BE&A repop tail lights are missing the argent silver accent stripe painted horizontally across the center of the lens.
I would call BE&A (Mike Ross) and ask if they have the silver on them, BE&A has really nice parts and can't imagine they don't, Keep in mind the picture you're looking at shows the outside and inside view, that's why the 70 set's reflector is so obvious because you're seeing it from the inside. They also have the reverse lights.
http://www.beaparts.com/list_items.aspx?body=B&cat=E&subcat=8
I'll hit them up, as the picture doesn't seem to indicate the silver stripe...
A missing silver stripe is easily fixed. The wrong-year reflector being visible is a bigger issue IMO.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on May 06, 2018, 10:15:14 PM
A missing silver stripe is easily fixed. The wrong-year reflector being visible is a bigger issue IMO.
Dare I say that I don't mind if the pin stripe is there or not. Before the accident I was planning on removing the chrome trim as well. As long as the lens is quality then I'm game...
Hey Myk, I'm glad you're ok & your car will be also eventually. I'd look for another shop before it sits there to long. I still haven't resolved my paint shop horror story...
I'll post the story when (if) it ever is and I can think about it without swearing profusely and then getting depressed.
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Quote from: BDF on May 06, 2018, 11:07:17 PM
Hey Myk, I'm glad you're ok & your car will be also eventually. I'd look for another shop before it sits there to long. I still haven't resolved my paint shop horror story...
I'll post the story when (if) it ever is and I can think about it without swearing profusely and then getting depressed.
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I'm sorry to hear that brother. I've had to visit body shops about 5 times over the years for other cars and each time it was a very unpleasant experience. I hope you fare well on your situation and would love to hear about it some time. If Bodie was closer I'd be begging him or his people to take on the job...
Quote from: myk on May 06, 2018, 10:37:38 PM
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on May 06, 2018, 10:15:14 PM
A missing silver stripe is easily fixed. The wrong-year reflector being visible is a bigger issue IMO.
Dare I say that I don't mind if the pin stripe is there or not. Before the accident I was planning on removing the chrome trim as well. As long as the lens is quality then I'm game...
I actually deleted the stripe on my OEM taillights. I "smoked" my taillights and side marker reflectors. And the chrome trim you mentioned MYK, I painted mine black. My look isn't for everyone, but that is what is great about us all being different.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on May 06, 2018, 10:15:14 PM
A missing silver stripe is easily fixed. The wrong-year reflector being visible is a bigger issue IMO.
BE&A Has both 69 and 70, you're referring to the 70's, read my previous post and look at the link
http://www.beaparts.com/list_items.aspx?body=B&cat=E&subcat=8
There is a used set of taillights on Facebook for $150 in KY. They are in the group "B body mopar". I have a screenshot of the ad but the site will not let me post it.
Quote from: garner7555 on May 07, 2018, 06:13:29 AM
Quote from: myk on May 06, 2018, 10:37:38 PM
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on May 06, 2018, 10:15:14 PM
A missing silver stripe is easily fixed. The wrong-year reflector being visible is a bigger issue IMO.
Dare I say that I don't mind if the pin stripe is there or not. Before the accident I was planning on removing the chrome trim as well. As long as the lens is quality then I'm game...
I actually deleted the stripe on my OEM taillights. I "smoked" my taillights and side marker reflectors. And the chrome trim you mentioned MYK, I painted mine black. My look isn't for everyone, but that is what is great about us all being different.
I LOVE it man, that's a look I could definitely roll with. I will check with BEA restoration parts and that Facebook ad you mentioned. Next thing you know I'll be doing the freaking body work myself.
Edit: BEA says that they no longer have the lenses and do not see a restock in the near future. F**k....
I have lots of taillights for sale. See my ad in the for sale section. WINGNUT
I appreciate the heads up, but I need a complete pair of '69 tail light lenses.
Also, I contacted Hagerty to let them know my concerns about the body shop, in regards to how dirty the car has become, they haven't even touched it and now I'm supposed to be finding parts on my own time, but I have yet to hear anything from Hagerty. I'm thinking I'm probably going to pull the car out, have it towed to my exhaust place, repair the exhaust, have the right rear suspension checked out/repaired as necessary, bring her home and then throw a tarp over the car until I can find someone who's going to treat my car and I properly.
Now that I think about it I should've strangled that kid...
Quote from: myk on May 07, 2018, 03:57:29 PM
Now that I think about it I should've strangled that kid...
:cheers:
Question guys: the body shop is asking for the check that Hagerty sent to me. Aren't these guys supposed to get paid AFTER the work is done? I feel as if depositing the check and then paying the body shop before the car is done leaves me at a disadvantage; Hagerty will consider this case closed since I took the money and the body shop will already be paid for services that haven't been rendered yet. What do you guys think?
do not pay in advance of the work
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:iagree: x5
How on earth can Hagerty pay out before the work is done? There are always "hidden" damage and extra costs tacked on by body shops above the estimate / quote. Any insurance job I have worked on required the owner to sign off that they were satisfied with the work and they then paid me, not the owner.
Quote from: birdsandbees on May 15, 2018, 02:42:20 PM
How on earth can Hagerty pay out before the work is done? There are always "hidden" damage and extra costs tacked on by body shops above the estimate / quote. Any insurance job I have worked on required the owner to sign off that they were satisfied with the work and they then paid me, not the owner.
the body shop will file for a supplement and the insurance company will expect it
Quote from: moparstuart on May 15, 2018, 03:34:04 PM
Quote from: birdsandbees on May 15, 2018, 02:42:20 PM
How on earth can Hagerty pay out before the work is done? There are always "hidden" damage and extra costs tacked on by body shops above the estimate / quote. Any insurance job I have worked on required the owner to sign off that they were satisfied with the work and they then paid me, not the owner.
the body shop will file for a supplement and the insurance company will expect it
That's what both Hagerty and the body shop just told me. The initial payment is just that, with more money available if it's required. Of course, the body shop is now saying that the repairs are going to cost at least twice as much as what Hagerty originally appraised the damage at.
Hagerty told me to give the body shop "some" of the money. I didn't know what to do so I cut a check in the hope I can get this stupid process over with already...
I'd be very hesitant of paying anything until repairs. That's how a real shop operates.provide the service then get paid.
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on May 15, 2018, 05:11:29 PM
I'd be very hesitant of paying anything until repairs. That's how a real shop operates.provide the service then get paid.
Agreed, I hate to say it, but the shit is already on the stick on this deal, underestimated damage/payment, owner having to source parts on his own, disrespectful treatment of the customers property, and the hand already out looking for money and nothing even attempted, it doesn't look like it's going to end well...
I spent quite a few years working in the collision/bodyshop industry, seen this too many times with customers/shop owners, you'll know when you have the right shop, because you won't be here voicing your concerns/frustration...get out while you can :Twocents:
I would give them 1/4 of the money at first to start the repairs.
Dude, get your car out of there. Let it sit in your own garage while you find a trustworthy shop!
I know but it's too late; I already gave them some of the money from Hagerty, because Hagerty told me it would be a good idea to do so. I just never know what to do in any situations. Up, down, left, right, I don't know lol...
Next time pay by credit card, easier to get your money back.
Quote from: myk on May 16, 2018, 02:17:50 PM
I know but it's too late; I already gave them some of the money from Hagerty, because Hagerty told me it would be a good idea to do so. I just never know what to do in any situations. Up, down, left, right, I don't know lol...
Any updates?
I hope this is going better than you feared. Best wishes for a satisfactory ending!