I bought this car in 07 and have finally started working on it. I got oem floors for this car before amd came out with them, so I was committed to installing them. It was alot of work because of the prep time needed to get them ready. I took off the inner rockers and undercoating that came with the main section.
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We'll wait. :cheers: Looks good so far. :2thumbs:
I'm patient. I'm set with a round of drinks :cheers:, and plenty of snacks :popcrn: :lol:
Take your time, great start.
Congrats! Keep the thread going as your working on it. I can see yet another inspirational thread for others.... :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
:popcrn:
Good looking car.
OE beats AMD any day of the week, if your lucky enough to come across it.
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Ok, finally figured out the resizing and here are updates, she is certainly rough.
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on February 16, 2013, 09:47:34 PM
I'm patient. I'm set with a round of drinks :cheers:, and plenty of snacks :popcrn: :lol:
Have you come out of the closet at last? and owned up to the fact that you
do drink? :cheers: :lol:
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It took me 3 years to do my r/t wants be every day working every day you wil get pissed but don't ever give up .my wife pushed me hard to finish it and I'm so glad now I'm pulling the 383 and dropping a 426 and getting rieid or the auto and replacing it with a 4 speed so hear I go just get it done :icon_smile_cool:
Quote from: rick on February 17, 2013, 07:22:27 PM
It took me 3 years to do my r/t wants be every day working every day you wil get pissed but don't ever give up .my wife pushed me hard to finish it and I'm so glad now I'm pulling the 383 and dropping a 426 and getting rieid or the auto and replacing it with a 4 speed so hear I go just get it done :icon_smile_cool:
I hear ya, this is my second charger I am restoring, the first one was over 20 years ago.
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After the floor was in, I tackled the filler panel support bracket and wheelwell that was rusted through. I could have bought the bracket but didn't want to wait for it.
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Next up was fixing my lower rad support that was banged up bad.
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Next up was straightening out the upper rad support, which was probably bent while removing or installing the long lost 440. My son Paul helped out with the oxy-acetylene torch while we shrunk the stretched parts.
Next up I started to remove the passenger side rocker panel, and that is where I am at now. In total, this is 2 months of working on it, when I can.
4 speed car? I see a clutch bell crank stud on the frame rail.....
The last two pictures reminds me of the common spots that rust first starts to appear on Mopars of that era. In the lower quarter panel in front of the rear wheels. I believe that the culprit is the road dirt that can accumulate in this area blocking the drain weep holes that factory provides along the rocker pinch weld. Once dirt block the drains. Any water that runs down the quarter window will collect in this area then starting the rusting process. As you can see there is really no paint from the factory on the inner rocker panels.
Quote from: rarefish on February 17, 2013, 09:30:53 PM
4 speed car? I see a clutch bell crank stud on the frame rail.....
yes, a four speed, super trac pac car. fender tag reads: fender tag: END,
M31 N85 R11 V1X V8W 26
A34 B41 B51 C16 C55 M21
B7 C6D B7 314 057362
E86 D21 XS29 L9B321298
no engine or trans, but the 4.10 dana is present.
after you removed the outer rocker, I see that peg and I was wondering what it was supporting or mounted to?
I just want to add how great these pictures are. They sure tell a story on how the unibody was put together, :2thumbs:
Quote from: rarefish on February 17, 2013, 09:54:56 PM
I just want to add how great these pictures are. They sure tell a story on how the unibody was put together, :2thumbs:
Thanks rarefish, it is neat to see how it all fits together. I plan on putting in frame connectors, too.
Quote from: mopar4don on February 17, 2013, 09:50:30 PM
after you removed the outer rocker, I see that peg and I was wondering what it was supporting or mounted to?
It is just a 51mm heating pipe that I welded to the sub-frames and I beams.
For all the sheet metal rust you have. The sub frame sections look to be very solid.
Quote from: gers1968rt on February 17, 2013, 10:03:41 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on February 17, 2013, 09:50:30 PM
after you removed the outer rocker, I see that peg and I was wondering what it was supporting or mounted to?
It is just a 51mm heating pipe that I welded to the rear frame and I beams.
Looks good, I REALLY like that I-beam jig! That thing will NOT move!
I'm having dimensional problems mounting my Charger onto my jig see my post starting at post#4 at this link
http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?42981-Frame-rail-and-main-structure-measurements&p=909850703#post909850703
So did your front and rear dimension line up to the spec sheet?
Lots of nice work going on here! By the way, Looking at the numbers on your fendertag, my Charger R/T is just 80 numbers higher for the VIN and has the same build date (314). That was a Friday! Just keep going and good luck.
Quote from: charge69 on February 17, 2013, 11:15:45 PM
Lots of nice work going on here! By the way, Looking at the numbers on your fendertag, my Charger R/T is just 80 numbers higher for the VIN and has the same build date (314). That was a Friday! Just keep going and good luck.
That is close to your car, that means both of my cars were built on a friday, lol
You've got mad skills. :2thumbs:
Coming along nicely.
:scope: :scope: good stuff going on !! keep the pictures coming !! love looking at this kind of stuff :yesnod: :popcrn:
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Quote from: stroker400 wedge on February 16, 2013, 09:47:34 PM
I'm patient. I'm set with a round of drinks :cheers:, and plenty of snacks :popcrn: :lol:
Have you come out of the closet at last? and owned up to the fact that you do drink? :cheers: :lol:
I do drink. Tea, milk, juice, soda every now and then, water, lemonade. Just no alcohol.
Great work going on!
Thanks for the frame specs too....may have to double check mine is all square before I put in the subframe connectors!
Awesome Pics :2thumbs: :2thumbs:Keep these coming!
Quote from: rarefish on February 17, 2013, 10:26:52 PM
For all the sheet metal rust you have. The sub frame sections look to be very solid.
Yes, the sub frames are pretty good, the guy I bought it from said the car came originally from Arizona and somehow got to upstate NY sitting in a leaking shed with no windshield or drivers window, and sat there for quite some time.
I removed the driver side rocker, it had all the same issues as the other side.
The bracket under the door jamb in the rocker panel was rusted, so I made a new one. I also opened up the amd box for my rocker to see if there was any brackets welded inside the rocker. There wasn't so I need to save the bracket that goes under the hinge area.
Here is a pic of the other bracket.
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Awesome work sir!
Awesome work Ger, I have seen your 68 quite a few times at shows over the last 20 yrs, and if this one turns out as good, you will have an awesome car.
I bought my 69 R/T back in 07 as well.
We have to meet at one of the shows this summer
Nice Job!
I cut off the lower hinge pillars both outside and inside because of bad rust, this made mocking up of the rockers easier.
Here are the inner pieces I need to make at some later date. Tomorrow I plan on sandblasting the inner rockers and all welding attaching areas.
Looks good so far :popcrn:
Sandblasting when the temp is 22 F presents some problems which slowed down the job this morning, but I was able to finish blasting the inner rockers.
Prepped the outer rocker for the brackets and installed the other, then was able to weld on the drivers side rocker.
Are you using any primer/sealant or under coating under the drivers side rocker?
Quote from: Mopar Nut on March 03, 2013, 12:42:08 AM
Are you using any primer/sealant or under coating under the drivers side rocker?
Yes, I coated the inner rocker with por15.
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Quote from: Mopar Nut on March 03, 2013, 12:42:08 AM
Are you using any primer/sealant or under coating under the drivers side rocker?
Yes, I coated the inner rocker with por15.
I need to take mine off and do the same with my driver side.
Thanks for the pictures, I know what I'm in for now.
Today I removed the passenger side hinge pillar because I was concerned with some rust up near the top by the cowl and the A pillar area. I was right, it was bad and I'll probably get a new one. There was a mouse house in there. I might do the drivers side as well. I fabbed the lower kickpanel that I cut out last week since it was real easy to get to.
I finally welded the passenger rocker panel on today. In addition I thought I would tackle some inner structural pieces including the package shelf, so I cut off a big piece of the quarter panel to get access.
Here are some more pics of the rusted areas of the inner structure, package shelf.
You're doing a good job, keep posting.
:2thumbs: ... :popcrn:
Nice work! i love seeing guys taking on restorations like this, showing great skill in their own garages. :2thumbs:
You definitely have nads keep up the good work. It makes me happy I am On the other end of the resoration just about done
Quote from: SkiJogg on March 14, 2013, 05:53:21 PM
You definitely have nads keep up the good work. It makes me happy I am On the other end of the resoration just about done
Yes you are lucky to be almost done. The more I do, it seems like the more I need to do.
Thanks for the support guys. After looking at the situation today, I decided I am going to replace the inner wheelhouse as well, which means I did alot of work for nothing, lol.
You got to go with your gut it will maybe save a lot in the future
:o very good works and good luke :cheers:
So, today I tackled the mess previously posted, namely the package shelf/ inner structural piece. I cut out the affected areas and fabricated the package shelf end. I had bought a replacement piece but it also had rust holes and was not suitable. AMD apparently makes this piece for b bodies but not for chargers, so I tried my best to make a piece for it. Next I sandblasted all accessable areas where I need to re-weld these pieces.
If someone has a complete piece for the package shelf end, I would be interested in buying it.
I had to section the inner piece from my original and patch two other spots to make the replacement good enough, just need to grind and trim, then I can weld it back together.
Well, after more than a week of fitting and piecing parts I finally have that section all done. I ended up taking the package tray support panel out completely to fix it properly. Also, I made a new corner piece at bottom of window.
Here are some more pics of the completed section. I also removed the quarters because I could. ;D
Job well done, I need to learn how to weld, keep posting.
Thanks
Great job Ger,
I am REALLY watching this as I have very similar metal damage in the rear window area.
How is the top edge of the window opening? (along the roof) Mine must have 8-12 holes.
Quote from: mopar4don on March 29, 2013, 07:03:07 PM
Great job Ger,
I am REALLY watching this as I have very similar metal damage in the rear window area.
How is the top edge of the window opening? (along the roof) Mine must have 8-12 holes.
Well actually, I have a new roof skin I am going to put on, so I will assess the top window area then.
I ended up repairing the passenger side package tray support as well, even though it wasn't as bad, it still had rust holes. The second time around always goes easier.
Some more pics. I just need to finish piecing and grinding the roof support and weld that in, it is just sitting there now.
I picked up these hinge pillar supports and my dog, Cuda gave it the sniff test and seems to approve. I haven't tried to fit them yet but they look good, even have the inner reinforcement plates.
Finished the package tray support/other inner structure pieces. Next on the agenda was the cowl and so off it came to reveal some rust and I am sure glad I can fix this properly.
looks awfully familiar
BTW:
Those support brackets inside the rocker boxes, that the AMD outer rockers didn't have . . . I don't think that stuff was standard equipment for all B-bodies. I think your car might have gotten it by being a factory 4spd car. (Did the car have the rest of the "torque box" plating they put on a lot of Hemi and/or 4spd 440 cars?)
I've seen those inner rocker brackets on at least one Hemi car that I can remember. But I don't think that stuff was present inside the rockers of a 318 Charger that I saw cut up.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on April 04, 2013, 01:46:36 AM
BTW:
Those support brackets inside the rocker boxes, that the AMD outer rockers didn't have . . . I don't think that stuff was standard equipment for all B-bodies. I think your car might have gotten it by being a factory 4spd car. (Did the car have the rest of the "torque box" plating they put on a lot of Hemi and/or 4spd 440 cars?)
I've seen those inner rocker brackets on at least one Hemi car that I can remember. But I don't think that stuff was present inside the rockers of a 318 Charger that I saw cut up.
That's interesting, you would think dodge would have put those inside brackets in all cars. No my car didnt come with the torque boxes, but I plan on putting some on.
Yeah, the factory did some strange stuff.
I'm really not sure though. The 318 car that I saw cut-up might have just already had that stuff removed. The outer rockers had been pirated already and I wasn't thinking about this issue at the time.
I'm partly just wondering about it because AMD didn't cover this base already. For the most part AMD has been very good about including (or at least selling separately) all these sorts of odds & ends.
If you wanna see some SERIOUSLY beefed up rockers, then look inside a convertible. They've got some really thick (like maybe 1/8" or more) C-shaped pieces inside the sheetmetal outer rockers. It's like a second outer rocker that is attached inside the sheetmetal one. It's weird because you'd think they would have beefed up the inner rocker if they were gonna do it to one side or the other. I guess maybe they were thinking more about impact resistance than stiffening, or maybe it was just easier that way. I dunno.
Some seriously great cutting and welding going on here! Not being afraid to tackle any job, be it small or large is half the battle and your car will benefit greatly from your skills down the road!
By the way, Mike DC, what braces are you talking about on Hemicars? (Rocker box bracing) Maybe I am being a dumbazz but I do not understand that part. My Hemicar had all the normal extra bracing from the factory but I do not remember any extra bracing on the rocker boxes. Truthfully, my rocker boxes were fine and only needed patch-welding where the bottom of the door curves around to parallel the ground if that is what you are talking about. Are the rocker boxes there that you are talking about? Sorry for the hijack, just did not understand the terminology!
These are old pics of my car that is almost finished now.
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/69HEMICHARGER/DSC00908-1_zpsee8a9178.jpg)
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/69HEMICHARGER/DSC00917-1_zps7d5c1369.jpg)
I'm talking about the stuff INSIDE the rocker boxes. If your rockers were intact then you never would have seen the stuff during the resto.
The only reason I'm wondering whether or not the stuff was really standard is because of two things: #1 AMD doesn't seem to be producing the pieces. #2 Years ago I saw a 318 Charger with the outer rockers cut off, and I don't remember seeing the bracing there. I might just be remembering things wrong. Or maybe the person that took the outer rocker skins also took (or just destroyed) the bracing in the process. I don't know.
OK, my rocker boxes were never separated so I do not know if they had any bracing or not. Nothing was ever mentioned about Hemicars having a different or thicker rocker box but, I guess it could have happened.
My car has sub-frame connectors now welded in and they go underneath the car just about where the rocker boxes are located, just underneath the car and not visible from just standing near the car.
Sorry GER for the hijack, just was wondering.
No probs on the highjack, this is our hobby that we all have a great passion for and we love to learn more about these great cars. It is easy to tell if the rockers have those pieces inside, all you have to do is look for the spot welds on the bottom of the rockers. There will be 8 spot welds just to the rear of the door jamb and 2 spot welds below the hinge pillar.
Today I sandblasted the inner lower cowl after removing the air duct rings. There are quite a few holes and I am not sure how I am going to fix or whether I will replace.
more rust damage
Quote from: charge69 on April 04, 2013, 01:49:40 PM
Some seriously great cutting and welding going on here! Not being afraid to tackle any job, be it small or large is half the battle and your car will benefit greatly from your skills down the road!
My Dad told me when I was very young that the only things you cant do in life are the things you tell yourself you cant do.
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on April 04, 2013, 07:39:34 PM
Quote from: charge69 on April 04, 2013, 01:49:40 PM
Some seriously great cutting and welding going on here! Not being afraid to tackle any job, be it small or large is half the battle and your car will benefit greatly from your skills down the road!
My Dad told me when I was very young that the only things you cant do in life are the things you tell yourself you cant do.
That there is some great inspirational saying that we all can benefit from.
My grandfathers version of the above......
"Perseverance and determination will get a tomcat with kittens"
Not only am I in awe of your metal skills......gotta add the photo skills too. Showing very clearly how these cars were put together.
Really learning a lot from this thread.
Thanks
Quote from: dyslexic teddybear on April 04, 2013, 08:20:56 PM
My grandfathers version of the above......
"Perseverance and determination will get a tomcat with kittens"
Not only am I in awe of your metal skills......gotta add the photo skills too. Showing very clearly how these cars were put together.
Really learning a lot from this thread.
Thanks
I love seeing highly detailed pics, so I try to put up the same. Your welcome. I have learned alot from others on this and other sites so if I can pass that on to others, then that's great.
For me, I would have said to buy new pieces but, with your metal skills, you can fabricate patch panels for it without having to buy new ones. Great job and pics so far.
Great Job :popcrn:
Tackled the left plenum and riser. I just cut out small pieces and then welded them in before I cut out the next one, a little time consuming but the result was pretty good.
In the second pic of the previous post, I had to remove and reinstall the stud for the air vent box. I just have the riser mocked up, I need to finish it yet.
Wow, Amazing job :o
You are doing a fantastic job and have really good welding skills. Luckily, my Charger did not have any rust in those areas because I am not sure my "fabrication" guy and restorer could do as good as you seem to be doing. :cheers:
Keep it up and you will soon have a great Charger seemingly made out of scrap metal! :2thumbs: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Quote from: charge69 on April 06, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
You are doing a fantastic job and have really good welding skills. Luckily, my Charger did not have any rust in those areas because I am not sure my "fabrication" guy and restorer could do as good as you seem to be doing. :cheers:
Keep it up and you will soon have a great Charger seemingly made out of scrap metal! :2thumbs: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Ya, some people still think it is scrap metal, lol.
Quote from: gers1968rt on April 06, 2013, 07:16:29 PM
In the second pic of the previous post, I had to remove and reinstall the stud for the air vent box. I just have the riser mocked up, I need to finish it yet.
Hey Ger,
AWESOME job :2thumbs:
How did you form that short lip on the base of the cowl metal that you patched in?
The same for the rest of it? I assume a shrinker stretcher?
I would be interested in seeing pictures of how you are forming all of your patches!
Like your inner fender patch, the roof support patch and so on. Maybe something in the future?
:popcrn:
I never thought about that area/piece on mine, but my 70 Challenger had rusted.
Quote from: mopar4don on April 06, 2013, 08:53:19 PM
Quote from: gers1968rt on April 06, 2013, 07:16:29 PM
In the second pic of the previous post, I had to remove and reinstall the stud for the air vent box. I just have the riser mocked up, I need to finish it yet.
Hey Ger,
AWESOME job :2thumbs:
How did you form that short lip on the base of the cowl metal that you patched in?
The same for the rest of it? I assume a shrinker stretcher?
I would be interested in seeing pictures of how you are forming all of your patches!
Like your inner fender patch, the roof support patch and so on. Maybe something in the future?
The only tools I use are tin snips, a vice, an 90 degree air grinder, hammers, 5 inch grinder, and sometimes a torch if I need to heat shrink something. I just hold the piece in the vice and carefully bend it over with a hammer and if it warps then I notch the lip to straighten the piece. If you look closely at the piece in the previous post you can see the notches in the lip, if that is what you mean. As you see, I made small pieces that didn't require much radiusing or bending. I will try to show some pieces next time.
Quote from: Mopar Nut on April 06, 2013, 09:23:14 PM
:popcrn:
I never thought about that area/piece on mine, but my 70 Challenger had rusted.
I got a bad feeling about what was under the cowl when I removed the hinge pillars and saw rust holes. I then looked more closely at the plenum risers and they were very soft.
Ok Don, for your viewing pleasure here is a step by step illustration of making a piece for the plenum. I trace out the piece and then cut it out allowing for some of the thickness of the blade. Then I trace out the lip radius and put it in the vice. I hammer it over a little at a time while moving it in the vice. When I have the correct contour then I just fit the piece in the car and trim and adjust to fit.
final four pics
Very nice work! :2thumbs: You definitely have metalworking skills!
Thanks Ger,
I have to say that doesn't look to difficult. I really appreciate you showing us how you did that. And hope to see more!
I would like to learn as much as possible about the metal working / fabricating to help bring back these cars!
I can see that making your own patches will save a LOT of money, and build your skills as you go.
Thanks again!
Nice to see the process. I for one would love to see more of this type of stuff in everyone's threads!
Sure seems simple to do..... :yesnod:
BUT.....it always seems simple when someone who knows what they are doing......is doing it. :yesnod:
Seriously.....thanks. Showing us how to break it down into smaller, easier to do steps, helps.
Quote from: dyslexic teddybear on April 07, 2013, 10:03:48 PM
Sure seems simple to do..... :yesnod:
BUT.....it always seems simple when someone who knows what they are doing......is doing it. :yesnod:
Seriously.....thanks. Showing us how to break it down into smaller, easier to do steps, helps.
And sometimes all they need to do is give us some examples. I know I am an "example guy" show me how and I'll run with it!
I agree, thank you for showing us how!
Here are some more pics of the repair by the a pillar.
This thread is just as good as your work, and your work is fantastic!
I look at mine and parts of it scare me, then I come here and what you need to fix makes mine look simple!
Loving the 'can-do' attitude!
Hey Ger, where do you get your patch panels? Local steel supply?
I have Alro near me, but I need to know exactly what to order....
They have
hot rolled sheets
cold rolled sheets
galvanized sheets
galvannealed sheets
aluminized sheets
Any idea?
Quote from: mopar4don on April 08, 2013, 02:39:33 PM
Hey Ger, where do you get your patch panels? Local steel supply?
I have Alro near me, but I need to know exactly what to order....
They have
hot rolled sheets
cold rolled sheets
galvanized sheets
galvannealed sheets
aluminized sheets
Any idea?
What gauge metal do you buy?
I bought a couple of pieces 2 foot by 4 foot 18 guage and to tell you the truth, I am not sure if it is cold or hot rolled, but it is very nice to work with. I have tried to use some satin coat sheets but it was too hard to work. When I went to purchase the 18 guage sheets, the guys at the shop asked what I was going to do with it and I told them to fix sheetmetal on an old car. If you want to know I could call them.
Nice work, amazing what you can do with some time and simple tools. :2thumbs:
Hot rolled sheet would probably have the most malleability of the bunch, anything cold rolled or drawn starts to get work hardened and would be tougher to form and more likely to crack.
I've been making some progress as of late. Repaired lower cowl area by passenger a-pillar, and fitted both hinge pillars. They both needed some tweaking to fit properly.
Lookin good so far :2thumbs: Hope you don't mind a few popcorn kernels :popcrn:
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on April 17, 2013, 11:57:44 PM
Lookin good so far :2thumbs: Hope you don't mind a few popcorn kernels :popcrn:
I don't mind, I know its going slow, thanks.
Looking great Ger! :2thumbs:
I would like to make a request.
Can you include as many pictures as possible of the process you go through to fix these areas?
I know my car has many of the same issues and bad areas. And I would GREATLY appreciate you showing the details of how you fix these areas.
Thank you
Don
Quote from: gers1968rt on April 18, 2013, 05:41:12 AM
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on April 17, 2013, 11:57:44 PM
Lookin good so far :2thumbs: Hope you don't mind a few popcorn kernels :popcrn:
I don't mind, I know its going slow, thanks.
Don't rush, looking good.
That car is damn lucky to have you!
keep pluging away your doing great i am glad I am near the end
Quote from: Patronus on April 18, 2013, 10:21:45 AM
That car is damn lucky to have you!
Good way to put it :lol:
Thanks guys, and yes I love your take on it, Patronus.
:scope: looking good !! nice work :yesnod: :popcrn:
Hey Ger, any progress?
No progress this summer, but will start soon, Don. How about you?
Quote from: gers1968rt on September 06, 2013, 01:01:43 PM
No progress this summer, but will start soon, Don. How about you?
I have been tinkering with it for about a year now..... I started a thread and am trying to bring it up to date.
Don's 69 rust belt Charger restoration
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,104414.0.html
:popcrn:
Hey Ger, anything?
Hi Don, thanks for getting me motivated to post some more pics. I have installed the inner fender, cleaned up rear frame rails only to discover that a mouse had another (the fourth one and last one) house in the left rail. It might not be popular but I chose to repair said rail and was able to weld both sides and believe it to be strong. Welded in the rear frame cross tie and upper gas tank piece.
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I then started fitting my amd panels and just used clamps and tech screws to hold it all together. Put my doors on to make sure I had the correct gaps.
That's impressive work! Keep at it and get that thing finished!
Glad to see you stil at it, was watching this thread from the start :popcrn: :popcrn: difficult car with the level of rust, you have made it look easy, great work it's looking great
:2thumbs:
I need to modify the Dutchman panel by adding a 1/4 inch to the left side, this has been a common problem from many threads I've been following.
Woweeee! :2thumbs:
Great progress.
Wow, Hey you have been busy.
I just love seeing how these cars are torn completely apart, fixed, then put back together!
Keep on posting those pictures and the the more you show us the better!
Thank you
I have worked on a few pieces lately, the trunk drip rails have been patched and repaired. The vin number is very clear. Both ends needed piecing and a section in the middle. The right side just needed the end repaired.
The Dutchman panel needed to be extended on the left side by 1/4 inch.
Before and after pics show the improvement.
:2thumbs: Great work be ready for spring?
Quote from: SkiJogg on January 16, 2014, 09:04:03 PM
:2thumbs: Great work be ready for spring?
Ya, spring of 2016 maybe if I'm lucky. ;D
Hey Ger, It really amazes me how my car is so similar to yours. Many of the areas you are repairing, I will have to address also!
So keep up the good work and keep those pictures coming! :2thumbs:
Did you ever call AMD and complain about the dutchman panel being to short?
You never know they may give you a discount. (You have pics you can send them)
No I didn't think to call AMD about it, but sounds like a good idea. I'll try my vendor first and go from there.
Had a snow day this afternoon so I finally cut my quarters to reshape the lower window corners. I also had to reshape the Dutchman panel. I am pleased with the results.
more of same
Here is the other side, it needed to be moved more to close the gap, now I just need to finish welding the patch and filling in the space. I will remove the quarter to finish.
i had to do the same as you in those cnr's , i thought i had done some thing wrong with fittment, but just new i had to get those trims to fit better ,
painful on new panel . cutting it like that but looks good :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
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Nice job Ger! That just makes me sick thinking I will have to do that to my car! Just don't seem right!
But I'm glad I have something to reference to! Thanks Ger!
Quote from: fy469rtse on February 05, 2014, 06:41:38 PM
i had to do the same as you in those cnr's , i thought i had done some thing wrong with fittment, but just new i had to get those trims to fit better ,
painful on new panel . cutting it like that but looks good :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Thanks. I knew that others had to fix this area, but I couldn't find pics to know how it was done. I had a few different ideas on how to cut it and am glad I chose this way, but it could have worked another way, as well.
Sorry ger if only I had known that this was common to those cnrs , I would have posted photos, I cut the Dutchman panel to fit those but that looks just as good a fix, and it only seems fair that I copied your idea for base jig to platform car for critical measements, but fantastic work ,
Keep at it , you have proven your fearless with the level of work you have done and what's in front of you :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Another problem was with the valence corners, had to cut and add a piece to make it work. I have seen this on other threads as well.
Keep up the good work
pro at work here... :2thumbs:
look at all those AMD boxes in the background :icon_smile_big:
I see you have an inspector there to sniff out any problems. ;)
Off topic, but I get thumbs up :2thumbs: and video taped whenever I take one of the girls (I also have a 70' burnt orange Road Runner 440). I am an old fart so I enjoy the attention (except one guy at a Stop N' Go asked me if my car was a Camaro) (I was nice and bit my tongue, but I really wanted to hit him with a baseball bat). There is just no that many of us true MOPAR lover around. Keep you car away from Chip Fooze. He does great work, but IMHO he has screwed up every MOPAR he gets his hands on (except the Chrysler 300 he did, but nothing radical there).
Quote from: 1974dodgecharger on February 09, 2014, 09:55:07 PM
pro at work here... :2thumbs:
look at all those AMD boxes in the background :icon_smile_big:
I should send a link to AMD and ask them to sponsor my project. lol
Quote from: Ghoste on February 10, 2014, 09:04:55 AM
I see you have an inspector there to sniff out any problems. ;)
His name is Cuda, but I should call him Bomb because he photo bombs my pics.
Quote from: SkiJogg on February 09, 2014, 08:41:16 PM
Keep up the good work
Thanks
Hey Ger, Whats been happening with the Charger?
I think this is as far as I need to go before starting to rebuild and weld on the panels. I just need to sandblast the roof inner-structure first.
Great to see ya back at it!
The amount of work on this car blows my mind! Truely a talent at work!
As someone said earlier, I am glad you own this car! Thanks for saving it!
good stuff !! keep the pictures coming :cheers: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
I could not sandblast today as it was rainy/snowy so I inspected some areas of the roof bracing and realized that I needed to replace the rear brace above rear window. :flame: I then repaired a 6 inch section on drivers side. I then mocked up the new amd drip rail and guess what, it will need tweaking as it does not line up with the a pillar drip rail. I will have to figure out the best way to fix this, just a fyi for you Don and anyone else if you are getting amd drip rails. Has anyone else had this problem and what was the best way to fix it?
Hi Ger,
I am hoping to reuse my original drip rails, but will keep it in mind when I get that far.
So from your picture it needs to move in to match up right?
OMG GER!!! :2thumbs:
Thought I knew about fixing B-Bods! :scratchchin:
You are taking this Charger to another level! :pity: :pity: :pity:
Hats OFF to you, a true Metal MAGICIAN!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
I AM SPELLBOUND BY YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL.
When I say my 'Charger' has rust issues, I mean like 'SURFACE' LOL. :icon_smile_big:
Stunning workmanship from a fellow tin-beater.
5J
Quote from: mopar4don on November 03, 2014, 07:45:09 AM
Hi Ger,
I am hoping to reuse my original drip rails, but will keep it in mind when I get that far.
So from your picture it needs to move in to match up right?
Yes, it needs to move inward to match up with the a pillar, about 1/4 inch. I'm hoping it only needs tweaking for the first 9 to 12 inches.
Quote from: 500Jon on November 03, 2014, 11:28:04 AM
OMG GER!!! :2thumbs:
Thought I knew about fixing B-Bods! :scratchchin:
You are taking this Charger to another level! :pity: :pity: :pity:
Hats OFF to you, a true Metal MAGICIAN!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
I AM SPELLBOUND BY YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL.
When I say my 'Charger' has rust issues, I mean like 'SURFACE' LOL. :icon_smile_big:
Stunning workmanship from a fellow tin-beater.
5J
Thanks 500/gtx/divorceeJon, it has become a larger project than I expected when I purchased her.
Quote from: gers1968rt on November 03, 2014, 01:10:06 PM
Quote from: 500Jon on November 03, 2014, 11:28:04 AM
OMG GER!!! :2thumbs:
Thought I knew about fixing B-Bods! :scratchchin:
You are taking this Charger to another level! :pity: :pity: :pity:
Hats OFF to you, a true Metal MAGICIAN!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
I AM SPELLBOUND BY YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL.
When I say my 'Charger' has rust issues, I mean like 'SURFACE' LOL. :icon_smile_big:
Stunning workmanship from a fellow tin-beater.
5J
Thanks 500/gtx/divorceeJon, it has become a larger project than I expected when I purchased her.
Humm, where have I heard that before?? :scratchchin:
Quote from: green69rt on November 03, 2014, 02:21:00 PM
Quote from: gers1968rt on November 03, 2014, 01:10:06 PM
Quote from: 500Jon on November 03, 2014, 11:28:04 AM
OMG GER!!! :2thumbs:
Thought I knew about fixing B-Bods! :scratchchin:
You are taking this Charger to another level! :pity: :pity: :pity:
Hats OFF to you, a true Metal MAGICIAN!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
I AM SPELLBOUND BY YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL.
When I say my 'Charger' has rust issues, I mean like 'SURFACE' LOL. :icon_smile_big:
Stunning workmanship from a fellow tin-beater.
5J
Thanks 500/gtx/divorceeJon, it has become a larger project than I expected when I purchased her.
Humm, where have I heard that before?? :scratchchin:
I just read the thread you shared a link about CDR and how he attached the lower quarter caps. Wish I knew that before I cut mine, I just might be altering them again. :brickwall:
Ger your skills are amazing. :notworthy: I've been watching this thread with awe. :coolgleamA:
Sometimes I sit back and wonder how guys like you acquire the knowledge and talent to do this stuff? :scratchchin: Was it passed down to you or did you learn on the job somewhere? There's just not a lot of individuals who can do the work you're doing.
My next question is related to the building you're working in. The thing is gigantic, but what the heck is it....a greenhouse? :shruggy:
The pictures makes it appear long and very tall, and reminds me of a domed metal framed canopy with sides....sort of like a...well, greenhouse!
Quote from: TUFCAT on November 03, 2014, 07:57:57 PM
Ger your skills are amazing. :notworthy: I've been watching this thread with awe. :coolgleamA:
Sometimes I sit back and wonder how guys like you acquire the knowledge and talent to do this stuff? :scratchchin: Was it passed down to you or did you learn on the job somewhere? There's just not a lot of individuals who can do the work you're doing.
My next question is related to the building you're working in. The thing is gigantic, but what the heck is it....a greenhouse? :shruggy:
The pictures makes it appear long and very tall, and reminds me of a domed metal framed canopy with sides....sort of like a...well, greenhouse!
Thanks Tufcat, I am learning as I go, in the background is my son's amx that he has been working on for over 4 years now. We just try to reason it out and get to it. We also make mistakes and have to revise our plans and sometimes do things over.
I own a greenhouse and this area is a work area that we made out of an area between 2 greenhouses. It is 20 feet by 170 feet.
The first pic is of my main greenhouse, it is 2.66 acres in size.
My dad told me when I was small." Theo only things you can't do are the things you tell yourself you can't do" keep your head in the game and you can do it.
Quote from: gers1968rt on November 03, 2014, 06:46:11 PM
Quote from: green69rt on November 03, 2014, 02:21:00 PM
Quote from: gers1968rt on November 03, 2014, 01:10:06 PM
Quote from: 500Jon on November 03, 2014, 11:28:04 AM
OMG GER!!! :2thumbs:
Thought I knew about fixing B-Bods! :scratchchin:
You are taking this Charger to another level! :pity: :pity: :pity:
Hats OFF to you, a true Metal MAGICIAN!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
I AM SPELLBOUND BY YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL.
When I say my 'Charger' has rust issues, I mean like 'SURFACE' LOL. :icon_smile_big:
Stunning workmanship from a fellow tin-beater.
5J
Thanks 500/gtx/divorceeJon, it has become a larger project than I expected when I purchased her.
Humm, where have I heard that before?? :scratchchin:
I just read the thread you shared a link about CDR and how he attached the lower quarter caps. Wish I knew that before I cut mine, I just might be altering them again. :brickwall:
Yeah, I've tried to put that link out as much as I can. I haven't heard from any others that used the method, but it sure sounds right.
Hi Ger and Don
You don't know what you can do until you try!
As my dad always said, ''IF A JOBS WORTH DOING''
Yep, you know the rest.
To me the 'bodyshell' IS THE CAR!!!
Unless that is right then it will always be WRONG! :rotz:
Most Folks can bolt on a fender, hood, door or trunklid.
Some Folks can even build engines, transmissions and axles?
But only a 'rare few' can fix a totally rusty 'SHELL'! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
YOU GUYS HAVE RAISED THE BAR, TOO THE VERY HIGHEST POSITION!!!
We are all left to admire your commitment to Mother Mopar! :notworthy:
Hats OFF as we Limeys say.
We are forever in awe of your brilliance.
5J
I did some blasting today and well, I guess I need some more parts or I will be fabricating again. The lower piece of the front roof brace has holes like swiss cheese. If somebody has a replacement I would be happy to hear about it. AMD doesn't make a piece, at least none is listed on their website.
Hey Ger, I'll check my stash and let you know.
I thought I had the roof support you need.
Spent about an hour looking for it, but just could not find it.
I then went back through some pics of the donor a-pillars that I bought and turns out I never had it!
The previous owner had cut it out!
Sorry but I am sure with your talents, you will get this fabbed in no time.
Good Luck
Don
At least that front roof header isn't charger specific. Shouldn't be too bad to find.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/69-B-BODY-GTX-70-68-roof-understructure-structure-bracing-coronet-gtx-1969-1968-/231380101813?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3ACoronet&hash=item35df542ab5&vxp=mtr
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on November 09, 2014, 06:31:19 PM
At least that front roof header isn't charger specific. Shouldn't be too bad to find.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/69-B-BODY-GTX-70-68-roof-understructure-structure-bracing-coronet-gtx-1969-1968-/231380101813?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3ACoronet&hash=item35df542ab5&vxp=mtr
Thanks for the link, I have made an offer.
Quote from: mopar4don on November 09, 2014, 06:14:52 PM
I thought I had the roof support you need.
Spent about an hour looking for it, but just could not find it.
I then went back through some pics of the donor a-pillars that I bought and turns out I never had it!
The previous owner had cut it out!
Sorry but I am sure with your talents, you will get this fabbed in no time.
Good Luck
Don
Thanks Don, sorry you wasted an hour of your life. :cheers:
I may have one but shipping would probabaly be a ton from Nova Scotia if you are interested I can check it out tomorrow in the daylight.
Quote from: gers1968rt on November 09, 2014, 06:49:39 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on November 09, 2014, 06:14:52 PM
I thought I had the roof support you need.
Spent about an hour looking for it, but just could not find it.
I then went back through some pics of the donor a-pillars that I bought and turns out I never had it!
The previous owner had cut it out!
Sorry but I am sure with your talents, you will get this fabbed in no time.
Good Luck
Don
Thanks Don, sorry you wasted an hour of your life. :cheers:
No worries, It was my own fault. You know how it is when you just know you have something.
But can't remember where it is, you look here and there and then repeat cause your SURE you have it!
then you you finale figure maybe you never did have it!
Isn't that a sign of getting old?........ come to think of it I cant find my eastwing hammer AHHHHHH :brickwall:
Quote from: gers1968rt on February 07, 2014, 05:22:04 PM
Another problem was with the valence corners, had to cut and add a piece to make it work. I have seen this on other threads as well.
First of all nice work man!! Some serious work being done there!! I have a question about those rear valance/quarter corners. I have a '68 that is getting ready for new sheet metal to go on over the winter. I already have the brand new rear quarters, rear valance and corner pieces, all from AMD, is that fitment issue a problem with quarters or the rear valance and corners? Is this a common problem with the AMD corners not lining up in the lower quarters?? Stuff like this makes me nervous lol. I know my body guy knows what he's doing, but i just want to be able to get a heads up before we get going on the sheet metal work.
Quote from: Moparman01 on November 09, 2014, 10:01:08 PM
Quote from: gers1968rt on February 07, 2014, 05:22:04 PM
Another problem was with the valence corners, had to cut and add a piece to make it work. I have seen this on other threads as well.
First of all nice work man!! Some serious work being done there!! I have a question about those rear valance/quarter corners. I have a '68 that is getting ready for new sheet metal to go on over the winter. I already have the brand new rear quarters, rear valance and corner pieces, all from AMD, is that fitment issue a problem with quarters or the rear valance and corners? Is this a common problem with the AMD corners not lining up in the lower quarters?? Stuff like this makes me nervous lol. I know my body guy knows what he's doing, but i just want to be able to get a heads up before we get going on the sheet metal work.
I made a comment on the previous page about a link that green69rt shared made by CDR about those lower quarter corners, and here is that link. I think I will be looking into this before I install the quarters. Look on page 20 about 2/3 down.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,90903.475.html
I finally picked up the roof upper windshield header and prepped by removing it from the roof section and sandblasting it. Got it mig'd in and I say it looks good, just need to final grind the welds.
More pics. This piece is from the ebay ad for a roadrunner roof, this is the second piece from a roadrunner, the first being the floor.
Looks real good! :2thumbs:
It is looking great. one more step behind :cheers:
Hey gers1968rt, any updates?
Hi Don, it's been quite awhile since you asked... I sold the project in nov. 2018 because I was moving. I had no usable garage, so I built one in the winter of 2020.
Quote from: gers1968rt on June 07, 2022, 08:40:16 AM
Hi Don, it's been quite awhile since you asked... I sold the project in nov. 2018 because I was moving. I had no usable garage, so I built one in the winter of 2020.
So any resto's in the plans?