hi. im looking to get a hydroboost system for my 69 charger due to being done listening to the vacuum pump always running. i have did search on where you guys have gotten them but the most resent that i found was back in 2013 where i asked the same question. i seen rms, hydratech and tallon. any experience recently that you could recommend?
http://www.tallonhydraulics.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=48_85&products_id=466
We run this set-up from Tallon Hydraulics. I believe it is bit more affordable then the Hydratech version. Been on the car for 3 years, flawless. They have less expensive versions that use cast type masters. That will be in the $700 range. Comes with the adapter plates, lines, etc.
Can't recommend a recent purchase, but I got mine (Hydratech) a few years ago thru RMS. It was on my doorstep in just a few days, all hardware/lines/etc included, all new components. Very easy to install and a great upgrade.
Quote from: bill440rt on January 23, 2014, 02:59:14 PM
Can't recommend a recent purchase, but I got mine (Hydratech) a few years ago thru RMS. It was on my doorstep in just a few days, all hardware/lines/etc included, all new components. Very easy to install and a great upgrade.
Was it a bolt on, especially to the brake pedal, or were further modifications necessary?
No modifications needed, other than enlarging the holes in the firewall just slightly for the bolts to go thru.
You also need to reposition the brake light switch, but the provision holes are already on the bracket.
What's this hydroboost do-is it to help with more radical 'cams?
Quote from: myk on January 24, 2014, 08:33:22 AM
What's this hydroboost do-is it to help with more radical 'cams?
Among other things. It requires no vacuum as it runs off the power steering pump.
Quote from: bill440rt on January 24, 2014, 08:04:43 AM
No modifications needed, other than enlarging the holes in the firewall just slightly for the bolts to go thru.
You also need to reposition the brake light switch, but the provision holes are already on the bracket.
thx :cheers:
The tallon one looks the same as rms' but cheaper is there a difference that explains the price difference?
Quote from: Dino on January 24, 2014, 08:38:22 AM
Quote from: myk on January 24, 2014, 08:33:22 AM
What's this hydroboost do-is it to help with more radical 'cams?
Among other things. It requires no vacuum as it runs off the power steering pump.
so that means if you dont have power steering then NO hydroboost for you right :icon_smile_big:
IM ALL MANUAL.....
Quote from: 1974dodgecharger on January 27, 2014, 12:56:47 AM
Quote from: Dino on January 24, 2014, 08:38:22 AM
Quote from: myk on January 24, 2014, 08:33:22 AM
What's this hydroboost do-is it to help with more radical 'cams?
Among other things. It requires no vacuum as it runs off the power steering pump.
so that means if you dont have power steering then NO hydroboost for you right :icon_smile_big:
IM ALL MANUAL.....
No you can have your cake and eat it, but it'll mean running a pump, hooked up to your steering or not.
http://www.pro-touring.com/threads/86390-Hydroboost-install-without-power-steering?s=6718e24f390defb4ceac5fde961b11c4
wow, guess anything is possible with money, which I dont have :icon_smile_big:
What if you hook up a Saginaw pump to the belts and the hydroboost but leave the steering manual? I think that might work.
I priced all three different companies and what a difference in price. Tallon is $700 plus shipping, hydratech is $829 plus shipping and rms is $1195 plus shipping. The tallon comes with a cast iron mc, the hydratech comes with a plastic mc and rms comes with a machine wilwood mc for those prices, otherwise it seems like all 3 companies have the same parts in the kit. Although Tallon has a special for $100 more you can get the cast wilwood mc. I just don't understand why tallon is so much cheaper and such a big variance in prices.
A few of the guys that run Tallon were some the original guys from Hydratech. They are really good guys to work with. Just don't have the overhead that some of the other big companies have. We run Tallon with the Wilwood MC. Absolutely no issues.
Well I wont be running any boost of any kind come april when I do my first autocrossing all manual and plan to knock down all the cones...
Just ordered from tallon. Got the upgraded aluminum and chrome master cyl. Got it for $770 shipped.
Running hydro brakes and manual steering could be done, but I don't see the point.
By the time you've set up the PS pump for the hydro you have already done a big portion of the job of adding power steering. If you went with a Borgeson power steering box then it wouldn't even be very much more weight to add.
Lasvegus69charger
Could you do a thread on it with the install on your car , planning to do the same,
Would love to see it done , problems and such , will be a great help when I get to mine,
Quote from: fy469rtse on April 02, 2014, 04:40:19 AM
Lasvegus69charger
Could you do a thread on it with the install on your car , planning to do the same,
Would love to see it done , problems and such , will be a great help when I get to mine,
yeah I would like to get hydroboost & four wheel discs , at some point !! when finances allow :'(:P
:popcrn:
Yes I will post pics when I do the install. You can get it $700 shipped with the cast mc.
Quote from: tan top on April 02, 2014, 06:14:42 AM
Quote from: fy469rtse on April 02, 2014, 04:40:19 AM
Lasvegus69charger
Could you do a thread on it with the install on your car , planning to do the same,
Would love to see it done , problems and such , will be a great help when I get to mine,
yeah I would like to get hydroboost & four wheel discs , at some point !! when finances allow :'(:P
:popcrn:
I dunno, are rear discs really worth it?
Quote from: myk on April 02, 2014, 09:50:26 AM
Quote from: tan top on April 02, 2014, 06:14:42 AM
Quote from: fy469rtse on April 02, 2014, 04:40:19 AM
Lasvegus69charger
Could you do a thread on it with the install on your car , planning to do the same,
Would love to see it done , problems and such , will be a great help when I get to mine,
yeah I would like to get hydroboost & four wheel discs , at some point !! when finances allow :'(:P
:popcrn:
I dunno, are rear discs really worth it?
If the drums are in perfect working order and you don't race, no. If they need any work then I do think it's worth spending $600 or so for the rear discs.
Quote from: Dino on April 02, 2014, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: myk on April 02, 2014, 09:50:26 AM
Quote from: tan top on April 02, 2014, 06:14:42 AM
Quote from: fy469rtse on April 02, 2014, 04:40:19 AM
Lasvegus69charger
Could you do a thread on it with the install on your car , planning to do the same,
Would love to see it done , problems and such , will be a great help when I get to mine,
yeah I would like to get hydroboost & four wheel discs , at some point !! when finances allow :'(:P
:popcrn:
I dunno, are rear discs really worth it?
If the drums are in perfect working order and you don't race, no. If they need any work then I do think it's worth spending $600 or so for the rear discs.
Quote from: myk on April 02, 2014, 09:50:26 AM
Quote from: tan top on April 02, 2014, 06:14:42 AM
Quote from: fy469rtse on April 02, 2014, 04:40:19 AM
Lasvegus69charger
Could you do a thread on it with the install on your car , planning to do the same,
Would love to see it done , problems and such , will be a great help when I get to mine,
yeah I would like to get hydroboost & four wheel discs , at some point !! when finances allow :'(:P
:popcrn:
I dunno, are rear discs really worth it?
yes I know what your saying !! guys ! :cheers: :cheers:
i'm all ears with any information that any one wants to share about hydroboost ! while I know its the best plan, & seen a load of pictures on the internet , not had first hand experience with them !
yes if the rear drum set up is working ok !! doubt you will notice the difference between the two on the street ! but ! i'm thinking because drums work or energize! think that it the correct word :P at less pedal pressure than discs ,
i'm going to have to adjust the rear proportioning valve lot more reducing the pressure to the rear drums , i'm just guessing on this , if I don't , soon as I touch the brake pedal the rears are going to lock up , figuratively of speaking !! sort of defeats the object of hydroboost ,
if rear discs as well . be able to crank up the braking pressure to the rear ( as we all know ! while maintaining correct balance , with fronts getting the most pressure & get the full benefit from rear discs & four wheel discs stopping power,
like I say i'm no expert on hydroboost , this is just the stuff i'm thinking about , prolly over thinking things like I always do & talking crap :icon_smile_blackeye: :lol::P :shruggy:
:popcrn:
Rear discs are planned for my car as well, but I don't know how high up the priority list they need to be. I'm just on the streets right now, so I figure they can be one of the later 'mods...
There's a kit from rms. How is that one compared to tallon?
Quote from: Supercharged Riot on April 04, 2014, 10:41:28 AM
There's a kit from rms. How is that one compared to tallon?
RMS sells the one from Hydratech.
I purchased mine thru RMS, about 4 years ago now. I initially had it on order with the brake kit from a different supplier, but when that supplier did not come thru I got it from RMS. Should have dealt with RMS from the start, great company.
My research at the time said that the Hydratech units were ALL NEW units, whereas the Tallon units were remanufactured. IIRC at the time the Tallon ones did not come with the Wilwood M/C, which was the matching M/C for the brake kit I chose. After the nightmare with SSBC I went thru, I did not want to play around with brakes anymore.
The Hydratech unit based on all new parts was more appealing to me, came as a kit with the Wilwood M/C, and was on my doorstep the next day from RMS.
Perhaps the Tallon units have now changed, but at the time the Hydratech version was the better choice for me.
thanks for the feedback :cheers:
I believe tallon is out of business. I have called and emailed for the past week and a half with no response. The ph goes directly to vm and it says it's full. The mc they sent is to wide and I cannot connect my brake lines. The mc is 1/2" away from inner fender. I already contacted my credit card co to dispute the charge. Tomorrow I will be contacting hydratech to see if they can help me out.
Quote from: lasvegas69charg on April 28, 2014, 08:06:06 PM
I believe tallon is out of business. I have called and emailed for the past week and a half with no response. The ph goes directly to vm and it says it's full. The mc they sent is to wide and I cannot connect my brake lines. The mc is 1/2" away from inner fender. I already contacted my credit card co to dispute the charge. Tomorrow I will be contacting hydratech to see if they can help me out.
I assumed when you said "upgraded" you went with the 1 1/8 wilwood. This has the option to plumb out the opposite side. That wider Corvette/ GM style one (once pushed forward) will definitely have a hard time fitting. I would suggest a 2 hole Mopar performance type master.
I wish I would of upgraded to the wilwood, but tallon told me the mc I got would fit. You are correct the wilwood has tandem connections. My upgrade was the polish al corvette style mc. It's really wide and doesn't fit. Right now I have one expensive paper weight. My credit card co even tried to reach tallon with no luck. Luckily they are reversing the charge. My lesson learned, cheaper is definetly not better.
Well I am all about cheap - I did my own set up and had about $250 into the system total (Hydroboost, master cylinder, lines, fittings, etc)
Quote from: Rolling_Thunder on June 08, 2014, 08:25:17 PM
Well I am all about cheap - I did my own set up and had about $250 into the system total (Hydroboost, master cylinder, lines, fittings, etc)
You know you just opened the door for some idiot asking for details on what parts you used and how you fit it all together...
...so what parts did you use and how did you fit it all together? :icon_smile_big:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,44274.250.html (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,44274.250.html)
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I used a rebuilt Chevrolet astro van hydroboost unit. (They are incerdibly simple to rebuild) and a Tallon hydraulic mounting plate (no logo). My hydroboost used a generic eyelet style pushrod that mounted to the stock pedal peg. I then used a 1990's ramcharger master cylinder and reamed the mounting holes a fraction for an easier fit. The fittings were a generic hydroboost set off evil-bay. I made a return line fitting for the P/S box (see my build thread) and connected it all with lines I had made at Earls.
Most expensive part was the lines.
Quote from: Rolling_Thunder on June 08, 2014, 10:12:06 PM
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,44274.250.html (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,44274.250.html)
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I used a rebuilt Chevrolet astro van hydroboost unit. (They are incerdibly simple to rebuild) and a Tallon hydraulic mounting plate (no logo). My hydroboost used a generic eyelet style pushrod that mounted to the stock pedal peg. I then used a 1990's ramcharger master cylinder and reamed the mounting holes a fraction for an easier fit. The fittings were a generic hydroboost set off evil-bay. I made a return line fitting for the P/S box (see my build thread) and connected it all with lines I had made at Earls.
Most expensive part was the lines.
That looks great! Is there a pressure difference feel in the steering at all?
I have not noticed any.....
Come to find out tallon got sold to another owner during my purchase. Butch came thru and sent me a wilwood mc. Everything works great. It's a night and day difference on the braking. It was a very simple install and took about 4 hours to do. If I had to do it again I would of gone thru hydratech. I spent a total $850 for the hydraboost setup and wilwood polished mc.
Looking for a bendix abs 9 or 10 master cylinder any one with an idea chime in abs power brakes makes one that is similar but its to blinking for my engine bay and right now I'm trying to make it look stock for the casual observer it will not fool you guys at cars shows but because you own one I'd love to try to as a joke