Help me out if you would be so kind by checking this combo and letting me know your opinions. This will be in a 77 400 with 727 trans going into a 74 charger SE. Motor for this example will be .030 over. heres the combo(prices included just for giggles)
Part PN Number Price through summit(just for estimate)
Wieland Action plus intake pn: 8008- $175.95
KB 240 pistons UEM KB2400308- 313.99
Comp cams timing chain CCA 2104 56.99
Holley Hydr. Lifters 71977PR 90.39
Voodoo Cam; duration in/ex 268/276, duration @ .050- 226/234, gross lift- .494/.513; pn number 60303- 132.39
2400 TCI stall covnerter- TCI 141200- $ 305.95
Hedman shorty hedders 1.75 inch primaries to 2.5 in collector- 78070- $159.99
Eddelbrock 750 cfm electric choke- 9913-$229.95
B&M flexplate- BMM 10237-$79.95
I will using the stock heads as well, might have them ported and polished if money in budget allows. machine and rebuild cost will be as followed
Bored to .030 over (if needed) $120
Hot tanked - $60
New cam bearings- $80 installed
Clevite Main bearings installed 80 bucks(depending of undersize)
Melling High volume oil pump- MELM63HV- 61.95
Hopefully I can make 350 or high on the HP side and still have a streetable and durable engine. Id rather sacarfise power for durability. If i need to clarify anything, let me know
thanks
dukeboy_318
A few suggestions.
Have the block checked for cracks
Recondition the rods and have them shot peened
ARP rod, main and head bolts
Stainless steel valves
Loose the eddelbrock carb :Twocents: ,, get a holley or demon much better :2thumbs:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,35434.msg387866.html#msg387866
for $200 more you can get a good forged piston
Most Hedman headers will NOT clear the mini starters
I would use a Holley or Proform carb
not planning on using a mini starter, just the stocker, will that be a problem???
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on October 29, 2007, 02:31:14 PM
for $200 more you can get a good forged piston
Most Hedman headers will NOT clear the mini starters
I would use a Holley or Proform carb
Really? Why is that? Is that a usual case with headers on these cars? I figured a smaller starter would mean more clearance?
Hedman has a different design for their headers putting one of the tubes right where the mini sits
:iagree: I have Headmens and had to do some heating and bending to make the mini started fit. It seams that I have allllllways had to do some extra fitment, but this time was BIG....... :icon_smile_blackeye:
any other reccomendations for headers that run less than 200
Holley performer! Eddelbrock SUCK! IMHO... I wouldnt put that "stuff" on my lawn mower!
forgot to mention that i am switching back to holley after readign some of the issues with edelbrock carbs
I have a set of the Hedman 78070 shorty hedders on my 74 Dodge 440 pick-up and I am pretty sure that you can't use the stock starter but I maybe wrong, I have no clearance issues with them around the mini-starter the only area I remember that was close was one of the collectors comes close to the pan rail but that worked out fine, I have run these hedders for about 6 years now and they have worked really well for me.
Kevin
Heres my combo that has my 73 SE in mid 13s 400 stock pistons ,windage tray from mopar performance#4120998 (can be installed without pulling engine) .038 head gasket from MP#4529455 Summit cam #K6901 comes with lifters Flowtec headers452 heads ported 8008 Wieland manifold and a Holly duel feed 750 .Transmission and converter are stock. Rear is 273 car is a dog offthe line but when Ihit 2nd you can fell it pulling
Quote from: jwc on November 03, 2007, 10:02:37 PM
Heres my combo that has my 73 SE in mid 13s 400 stock pistons ,windage tray from mopar performance#4120998 (can be installed without pulling engine) .038 head gasket from MP#4529455 Summit cam #K6901 comes with lifters Flowtec headers452 heads ported 8008 Wieland manifold and a Holly duel feed 750 .Transmission and converter are stock. Rear is 273 car is a dog offthe line but when Ihit 2nd you can fell it pulling
not bad, upgrade the trans and different gears you might hit high 12s.
another question, what would you guys reccomend as far as pushrods, mine arent bad, but im going for durablity so im replacing them and the rocker arms, also what valve springs??
:popcrn:
The list looks good....few things i would change though ;
(1) Performer RPM intake manifold instead of the Wiend
(2) PTC 11in torque converter instead of the TCI
I would use the MP heavy duty stamped rocker arms and a set of chrome moly pushrods. Comp Cams # 911 valve springs will work fine with that VooDoo bumpstick....or go with the recommended lunati springs....your choice.
Not sure on the oilpan....but with an HV pump you will want something better than stock. A windage tray of course to keep the oil in the pan...where it belongs. The 6qt Hemi pan is very good but i'm not sure if it fits in a 74 Charger. :scratchchin:
Headers sould be a 1 3/4in primary long tube design....no shorties. Again...not sure what fits well in the later chassis. :shruggy:
Ron
Quote from: firefighter3931 on November 09, 2007, 07:11:37 PM
The list looks good....few things i would change though ;
(1) Performer RPM intake manifold instead of the Wiend
(2) PTC 11in torque converter instead of the TCI
I would use the MP heavy duty stamped rocker arms and a set of chrome moly pushrods. Comp Cams # 911 valve springs will work fine with that VooDoo bumpstick....or go with the recommended lunati springs....your choice.
Not sure on the oilpan....but with an HV pump you will want something better than stock. A windage tray of course to keep the oil in the pan...where it belongs. The 6qt Hemi pan is very good but i'm not sure if it fits in a 74 Charger. :scratchchin:
Headers sould be a 1 3/4in primary long tube design....no shorties. Again...not sure what fits well in the later chassis. :shruggy:
Ron
Yeah im planning on an aftermarket oil pan, ive heard some bad things bout the edelbrock performer RPM intake. Im also thinking of going a little bigger on the cam, maybe this one , similar to what hot rodder is running,
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=LUN%2D60305LK&view=32&N=700+150+4294908126+4294925061&appfilter=1#Application
im also getting a milodin windage tray and going to get some new valves too.
will i have to have my heads macined to fit these springs on it???
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=LUN-73815
Quote from: dukeboy_318 on November 09, 2007, 07:18:24 PM
Yeah im planning on an aftermarket oil pan, ive heard some bad things bout the edelbrock performer RPM intake. Im also thinking of going a little bigger on the cam, maybe this one , similar to what hot rodder is running,
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=LUN%2D60305LK&view=32&N=700+150+4294908126+4294925061&appfilter=1#Application
im also getting a milodin windage tray and going to get some new valves too.
Nothing wrong with the RPM intake manifold. ;)
The 268* Voo Doo cam is the right choice for a 400ci engine.....the larger stick for hotrodder's motor would be too big....remember he is building a 500in stroker. Don't overcam or you will be sorry. :icon_smile_blackeye:
Quote from: dukeboy_318 on November 09, 2007, 07:19:39 PM
will i have to have my heads macined to fit these springs on it???
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=LUN-73815
Nope....those springs will work fine. Basicly a stock spec (dimension) high performance spring. :2thumbs:
Ron
okay will keep orginal cam,
my other ption is a 472 stroker kit from 440source, dont know yet, again looking for durability but power at the same time, i am saving up for the 440source heads though
Looks to me like you decided on the 472 cid motor, lol. Either way, enjoy. :cheers:
yep thanks to some 3 hrs of research and half hour on the phone with 440source. oh and you guys :2thumbs:
I'd use HP manifolds before I use shorty headers. The shorties don't flow any better. The length of a headers contributes greatly to their efficiency, not just their tube diameter. You're exhaust valve and port are the real bottlenecks.
im going to end up stroking this motor and running flowtech headers, seem to be a decent choice based on flow and price