Yesterday, the 100% unrestored, 50 year old time-capsule Hemi Daytona xx29J9B381532 came to its new home in Indiana. Much discussed at http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,135489.550.html , with a couple of jerks chiming in, the car proved real and exactly as described by Christine. Christine proved to be 1 of the single finest, most honest people I have met in my entire life and I am proud to call her my friend. Christine's generosity also is beyond belief as I called Ernie Held yesterday and told him of her gift of 2 Daytona fenders to him if I would bring them back to Indiana from Texas, which I was happy to do.
Unbeknownst to this board, I flew down to Dallas on 10/23/20 to inspect the car and it proved to exceed everything I was looking for in the Holy Grail of wing cars. Every single number and casting number on every single part matched, down to the original heater hoses and radiator hoses. The interior is excellent and even the tags on the seat belts remain unfrayed. The original trunk stickers and jacks are there, along with all the door jamb stuff, including the most recent oil change (in 1974 at 37,344 miles) With 39,000 miles on the odometer, it is not yet due for another oil change. I bought the car on 10/27/2020 and drove the 2,000 mile round trip over the weekend to bring the car back to Indiana on 11/08/2020. It now resides in our shop along with our Hemi Superbird and a 1/2 dozen winged associates, but it is in the place of honor.
Plans for the car-there will be no restoration performed-it will be maintained as a time capsule of originality, although we will get it running (gently) and driving (slowly) over the next few months. I have attached 2 pictures below. We took over a hundred pictures loading, unloading etc., and in the next two weeks will take hundreds more. At the present time, I do not even want to loosen one of the original clamps, so nothing will change on this 90% rust free artifact. If you want I will post more pictures.
So in summary, not being a flipper, and treating other people with respect means something in this world. Thanks Christine.
Bob J
congrats Bob on your purchase and yes respect goes a long way , don't know how much you had to pony up for it and i won't insult you bye asking , just glad somebody that will appreciate it was able to afford it . And yes im sure I speak for most of us we would all love to see a the detail pics you care to post, at least I WOULD . :2thumbs:
Very NICE Bob! She's in the right hands! :cheers:
Good for you
I saw the other thread saying the car had a new home and was wondering if any one on here got it
Now I know :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
WOW, that's awesome it went to a great home that will share it with the audience here!
Congrat's Bob!
Great News, Cant wait to see pictures of the car up close. It's in good hands.
This is the post I have been waiting on, as I was aware of Bob's trip and purchase of what is one of the most significant hemi Daytonas in existence. What I was totally unprepared for was the phone conversation I had with Bob on his way back here to Indiana yesterday afternoon. I am still at a loss for words, and even for a normal breath as I type this. I think I made him repeat the news three or four times before I could grasp what he was telling me. I cannot begin to express what the last 18 hours have been like since then. I worked my ten hour shift at the hospital last night, which was just as well since I doubt I would have been able to sleep anyway.
Christine, you are unbelievable. There are no words to even come close to expressing how grateful I am to you for your over the top gift. I know we have had a few conversations over time, most recently discussing Bob's purchase of the car before I came across a winning lottery ticket. Bob gave me the short version of the conversation you and he had regarding this, but for the life of me I cannot fathom how it came to pass. I hope to visit him and the wife this week and hear the full story from his perspective.
What I do know is I very much want to take you up on the offer to stop by some day, as writing this is not thank you enough. A phone call is also not thank you enough. (you have a voicemail, btw) As luck would have it, my oldest niece goes to school at NAU in Flagstaff. I've made three trips there already over the last fifteen months, two to drop her off, and one to pick her up when the virus shut down the university. Phoenix is a short detour from that route. Once you are settled in back there, I'd love to make the visit happen on a jaunt to Flagstaff so I can thank you in person. Even that is not enough.
p.s. Bob, don't forget, you promised Jean was making cookies.
I remember seeing it's story on here http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=135489.25
Congrats to both of you and a salute to Christine for allowing the car to be loved by another enthusiast. I had followed the original thread and I am glad to see everything was true.
Sounds like a great story and a fantastic car! :2thumbs:
QuotePlans for the car-there will be no restoration performed-it will be maintained as a time capsule of originality,
Right here is the best part of this story. So few cars give us the chance to save them as they were, and then we are always so motivated (with good intention) to take that away.
Looking forward to seeing more info on the car. :icon_smile_cool:
:popcrn: :2thumbs:
What a lovely, happy story, and a BIG congratulations to Bob on this wonderful acquisition! Congrats to Ernie, also- that is so awesome! :cheers:
Thanks Bob, Ernie, 09 November 2020
We are HAPPY you and all the folks here are HAPPY as well.
We know, I (Christine), got off to a "shaky" start on this site. That was my fault, I'm the "Hot Headed" member of the "426 Hemi Chicks." My SO called me on it, (She's the one with the Brains). The end result is Bob's Daytona now has a fantastic parent and home.
We want to thank everyone on this site for putting up with me, anything I said or wrote that was decent was due to the Love of my Life helping me. Just so you know, she has saved my life three times; were it not for her, I wouldn't be here today.
Now, I have to get back to packing things up so I can get home to Phoenix; been here too long guarding cars.
The other three cars are going with us. We have a nice large well equipped shop there where we can put the RR and SB back together. We are not going to sell them, just drive them to the local Sonic drive-in and local car shows; maybe even a "Street Race" or two.
Thank you Bob, we are very thankful you are now the parent of the "Rarest Hemi Daytona." It was an Honor having you adopt her; She's now in Great Hands.
God Bless You All, and Thank You.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
As many of you know, the front end was temporarily removed from the car in order for it to be stored. It is a rare opportunity to snap many, many pictures of the front end. Late last night while looking at the car my friend Mike commented on what a crappy job someone did on the transmission cooler line (normally not seen). I told him the crappy job was done by Creative Industries who assembled the car. He then commented on "who did all the crappy painting of the radiator front area with black paint and runs. I once again told him it was not the mark of good craftsmanship, but rather, the mark of Creative Industries again. Picture in question attached.
The other thing I note is that the few pictures I have of other restored Hemi negative battery cables shows 1/2 of them covered with overspray-the 1/2 near the engine. This one (still retaining the original tag) is oversprayed its entire length pretty much, but just on top. I have just started looking at the trunk-a good cleanup will get it right. We use an "Ozonator" to get rid of the old musty smells. Anyone restoring a Daytona email me and I will get you a picture if I can dso it without removing something.
Finally, a picture is attached of the Daytona on the lift (in the distance) in its new home-1 car (Yellow 6 pack) missing right now.
I think you have an addiction Bob! :icon_smile_big: :yesnod: Good for you!
Good for all involved.
Do I hear the making of a wicked long distance road trip in an unrestored Hemi Daytona in the making , maybe ??????
I have room in the garage if you want to drive it out here. My Hemi Satellite would enjoy the company Im sure
(https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/123827717_4084558528239956_6969663053319699424_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=2&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=G2zigbwUW1gAX-U7gPl&_nc_ht=scontent.fphx1-2.fna&oh=bb993996d7557fa46a2bb3dd8447bc28&oe=5FD08835)
Bob,
Congrats on the purchase of a RARE HEMI Daytona!
Since you have it up on a lift could you take a few pictures of the bottom of the rockers and pinch weld area.
I would like to see if this original has the factory blackout sprayed on them?
Also if there is black out did Creative touch up the bottom of the front fenders to match?
Thanks! MJ
:cheers:
Awesome! Photos of this car will reset the bar for correctness.
Looking forward to getting down to see it in person.
wow ! congratulation (TaxSpeaker) Bob :cheers: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
not on here as much as i use to be , was just reading ( 426 H C's) thread & about the daytonas sold,
cant wait to see pictures :yesnod: :popcrn:
awesome gift to (held1823 ) Ernie ! with the daytona Fenders (426HemiChicks) Christine ! great stuff :yesnod: :cheers: :2thumbs:
your Daytonas gone to a good home :2thumbs:
Congrats, Great Story. Glad to see your keeping it Original instead of Restoring it. :2thumbs: LEON.
Congratulations. :cheers:
But to be factual, there were more than 'a couple of jerks' in that thread. ;)
Wow! Congratulations!
some guys just have a blessed life
WOW! I remember reading the original thread during the seemingly weeks of back and forth discussion (banter). I am a lurker on this forum as I am mainly a Ford guy (Mopar is close 2nd) but this has to be one of the most interesting and coolest 'rare car find' story I've seen with a very happy ending!! CONGRATS BOB and Ernie and congrats Christine. The car is obviously in very good hands :cheers:
PS I think this story and car needs to be featured in a magazine
Quote from: SeaninSD on November 09, 2020, 10:46:36 PM
PS I think this story and car needs to be featured in a magazine
Got something in the works ;)
Awesome Bob!!! It definitely went to the best home!!! :cheers:
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 09, 2020, 08:47:51 AM
Plans for the car-there will be no restoration performed-it will be maintained as a time capsule of originality, although we will get it running (gently) and driving (slowly) over the next few months.
An extremely wise decision!
Congratulations.
MJ (John).
I have taken 5 pictures, front to back of rockers, welds and underside of pinch welds. 10 total pictures. Uploading will be a pain but i want them as public info for everyone. Suggestions?
Bob.
If you have taken the photos with your cell phone, there are reduction apps that can take a very large image (size-wise) and reduce it down by percentages. Like I have an app called "Photo & Picture Resizer". I just reduce my pictures small enough (save to another image of smaller size) and upload that here.. I just do my stuff on my phone (updating threads or creating new threads with pictures, just like my Charger 500 resto thread)...
I can help you if you need, you have my cell phone number..
Troy
Bob , feel free to email me the pictures & i'll post them here ! no problem :2thumbs:
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 10, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
MJ (John).
I have taken 5 pictures, front to back of rockers, welds and underside of pinch welds. 10 total pictures. Uploading will be a pain but i want them as public info for everyone. Suggestions?
Bob,
There are some offers for help here already.
But what I do is rename my pictures first just in case some one on this site has already posted a generic numbered image.
There is nothing more frustrating than writing a nice reply and attach some pictures and get it kicked out!~@#$%^&*(!
Then you have to resize them so they are under 400KB.
I'm sure this is just a start on all the pictures and questions you will have thrown at you.
Thanks for sharing!
MJ
Quote from: tan top on November 09, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
wow ! congratulation (TaxSpeaker) Bob :cheers: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
not on here as much as i use to be , was just reading ( 426 H C's) thread & about the daytonas sold,
cant wait to see pictures :yesnod: :popcrn:
awesome gift to (held1823 ) Ernie ! with the daytona Fenders (426HemiChicks) Christine ! great stuff :yesnod: :cheers: :2thumbs:
your Daytonas gone to a good home :2thumbs:
Hi Tan Top, 10 November 2020
Thanks for the kudos, we appreciate them though we aren't certain we deserve them.
We had several prospects, which we took one at a time, and in order. We did not pit prospects against each other in a bidding contest. The buyer was the key.
Bob's intentions were in line with ours, he has the reputation and resources to follow through. He treated us with utmost respect, which is much appreciated and was an important element in our decision to sell our Hemi Daytona to him.
We had her for 48 years and wanted her to have the absolute best home and parent possible. We succeeded and also gained a Great new friend in the process. What more could one hope for. Thanks Bob, we know you will take very good care of the:
"World's Rarest Hemi Daytona."
God Bless You, Your Family and all the fine folks on this site.
Best Always,
Dena & Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
I spent 45 minutes on the phone with Christine yesterday and the time just flew by. Such wonderful stories of the cars and the background regarding both them and the career path. I am still stunned at the unwarranted and unbelievable gesture of kindness extended my way.
The long haul (1,650 miles each way) to drop off or pick up my niece from school in Flagstaff will now be an excuse to swing over to Phoenix and visit them along the way. Visitation with Mrs. Jennings is fifteen hundred miles closer, so I reckon I will take the time to say hello to Bob while there, perhaps this week, even.
Been waiting anxiously for this post :icon_smile_big:
Way to go Wingman and everyone involved ! :2thumbs:
One day would like to visit the now midwest winged things collection :yesnod: :drool5: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: held1823 on November 10, 2020, 05:39:38 PM
I spent 45 minutes on the phone with Christine yesterday and the time just flew by. Such wonderful stories of the cars and the background regarding both them and the career path. I am still stunned at the unwarranted and unbelievable gesture of kindness extended my way.
Hi Ernie, 10 November 2020
Your Kindness, Respect, Support and Honesty.
Looking forward to you visiting us once we get settled into our digs, which we hope is very soon.
Take Care Amigo.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
Hi Bob, congratulations :cheers: on your new addition :2thumbs: Was the broadcast sheet ever obtained from Galen by the previous owner or are you in the process of doing that? Any other Broadcast sheets found in the car?
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 10, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
MJ (John).
I have taken 5 pictures, front to back of rockers, welds and underside of pinch welds. 10 total pictures. Uploading will be a pain but i want them as public info for everyone. Suggestions?
Bob emailed me the above pictures , to post here :2thumbs:
first Five pictures are driver side
passenger side :popcrn:
Have to laugh........ Man oh man.... A Daytona/500 rear window plug just laying around....... :o
:drool5: :drool5: Went to the right person for sure , so glad your keeping it as a time capsule fantastic car !!!! congrats
Christine such a fantastic gesture passing on the fenders to ernie , his car really deserves them ( not sure the fat bastard does ) poke at ernie , but the car sure does :rofl:
Quote from: Moparpoolman on November 11, 2020, 09:17:33 AM
Hi Bob, congratulations :cheers: on your new addition :2thumbs: Was the broadcast sheet ever obtained from Galen by the previous owner or are you in the process of doing that? Any other Broadcast sheets found in the car?
We will be putting a camera under back seat this weekend. Mark from Magnum Restoration is contacting Galen for me about broadcast sheet-I do not know him. Fingers are crossed.
Advice from anyone-I want to get the original water pump rebuilt but do not trust most rebuilders to return my original. I can do it myself but cannot find a rebuild kit-anyone know where to look? As a last resort-can anyone recommend a rebuilder of water pumps that will rebuild my original?
Thanks
Interesting that that it looks like the pinch weld was never blacked out. The Malcolm red survivor car had it all along on both sides IIRC.
Quote from: tan top on November 11, 2020, 09:20:51 AM
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 10, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
MJ (John).
I have taken 5 pictures, front to back of rockers, welds and underside of pinch welds. 10 total pictures. Uploading will be a pain but i want them as public info for everyone. Suggestions?
Bob emailed me the above pictures , to post here :2thumbs:
first Five pictures are driver side
Thanks taxspeaker Bob and tan top for the pictures!
This original Daytona has no pinch weld or rocker black out paint for sure!
MJ
Walkaround video when back in the shop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjBT9JDKLT0&feature=youtu.be
Is this car all original paint. ?
more pictures From Bob :popcrn:
3rd picture, is a zoomed in screen capture shot of the daytona from the second picture
Nice
Looking at the bottom of the car I would have a really hard time leaving it as is
ps, love the picture of it looking thru the wing of the Bird , neat shot
Awesome thread, love the WILE E COYOTE on the wing!
Quote from: white on November 12, 2020, 02:29:10 PM
Awesome thread, love the WILE E COYOTE on the wing!
Hi White, 12 November 2020
That was put there by the Original owner Jack Teubner. We have always thought it was a classy and fitting touch.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
Cool outcome to this story. I do hope it's featured in a magazine or on a car Tv show. :icon_smile_tongue:
Like it was meant to be!
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 11, 2020, 06:05:23 PM
Is this car all original paint. ?
Hi Hemi-Hampton, 12 November 2020
We can't vouch for the paint prior to 1972 when we acquired the Daytona. The overall paint is a combination of Chrysler and Creative Industries, the latter giving new meaning to the word "creative." The best paint was applied by Chrysler.
In our estimation Bob's Daytona is 95% original and will take little effort to bring it to 100%. She has the best home and will be cared for better than we could have hoped for; Bob is the perfect parent for this Jewel. Yes, we will miss her but knowing she has an exceptionally fine home, lots of winged companions and a great parent that loves her was the primary element in our decision to part with her. One of the things Bob told us was: "I buy cars; I don't sell them." That went a long way in sealing the deal.
Bob's as good as gold, a man of his word. We trust him and like him a lot. That's why he now has the Hemi Daytona we had for 48 years.
Thanks Bob for providing our pride and joy with a fantastic new and permanent home.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
Removed. Did not mean to offend Bob.
Removed
When you sell a car, you lose all control over it. You have no say in what happens. As Don Draper shouted at his employee in Mad Man, who thought she was working too hard, "that's what the money is for". The Hemi Daytona has been out there and available for some time. The seller had sought out opinions of value. I am sure Bob paid a fair price for it.
I see Bob as an end user. He's not one of those guys on on social media constantly trolling for cars to buy and flip. Those people are easy to spot. Down the road, maybe someone will make Bob an offer he can't refuse. If that happens, I don't care. I have to think he will improve the car and return it to the road during his time with it. I hope he gets to enjoy it for a long time.
sixth post. really? do you know bob personally?
i doubt it, or that post would have never been made.
The harder you work... the luckier you get! Keep at it Bob! :Twocents: :yesnod:
:2thumbs:
Bob,
Enjoy the snot out of it. I know I would . And the wing cars dont have the appeal to me like they do others.
Quote from: JDR1967 on November 13, 2020, 09:06:58 AM
Removed. Did not mean to offend Bob.
JDR1967, 13 November 2020
Fortunately or unfortunately, depending upon ones perspective, we got here late today and didn't see your post prior to its deletion. Obviously, from the posts and the comments, you demeaned a truly upstanding, honest and great friend of ours and of many members here on this site; he also happens to be a Marine Vet, which says and means a lot. We hope you will issue a sincere apology.
If you want to criticize someone, do it to one who deserves it, like a certain individual, very well known to most in the Mopar world. More later Mr. someone.
the 426 Hemi Chicks
Back on track here-we have all said things we wished we hadn't, especially me, so let's go forward without a problem now.
Yesterday Held1823 (Ernie) and 69_500 (Dan) came by to inspect the car, eat cookies, eat some more cookies, oh and take pictures. I learned a lot. One of the things was the overspray on the brake booster that I had not even noticed. This car has power drums, not discs, and Dan pointed out about 50 little things I did not know about Daytona's while Ernie and I ate cookies.
Ernie and Dan must have taken 500 pictures as well as lots of videos. Dan's knowledge of the number of turns in an original scissors jack was riveting. Seriously, their knowledge left me in shame. Appreciate it guys, and Ernie took home the fenders Christine, with a promise his Daytona is only weeks from being done. (Not really)
Here is a picture of that master cylinder.
Tomorrow I will be pulling the rear seat, looking under it and behind the glove box and under the carpet for a broadcast sheet. Galen wanted $25,000 (not a misprint) for mine, and I don't need it that bad, just would like to have it-a difference between needs and wants.
25gs for a Broadcast sheet.
I would have told him to shove it bleeeeeeeeeeep
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 13, 2020, 06:17:51 PM
Galen wanted $25,000 (not a misprint) for mine.
:icon_smile_angry: Still an ahole I see... guess selling used cars isn't paying the bills.. :rotz:
Too bad, it was the last opportunity for him to return it back to where it belongs!
Did you say $25K ransom for your broadcast sheet??? I'm astonished. If I were to find someone else's BS, not matter who I was in the MOPAR "brotherhood", that document would be offered back to the REAL owner for nothing more than a thank you. Wow.
I know better than to express an opinion on these sites, but I couldn't hold it in. Sorry in advance, if I stepped on anyone's toes.
It's worthless to him....he's only in it for the $$....always has been
I had a good experience with Galen, all I had to do was purchase the broadcast sheet decode service... He even brought it to me... I paid $125.00 for the original broadcast sheet to my Press Release 69 Hemi Charger 500... I heard all those rumors too.. Not sure about it.. He came over, visited, had dinner and chatted a lot about this stuff.. He said he never charged these outlandish prices.. Just my experiences with him......
Troy
Quote from: birdsandbees on November 13, 2020, 06:32:19 PM
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 13, 2020, 06:17:51 PM
Galen wanted $25,000 (not a misprint) for mine.
:icon_smile_angry: Still an ahole I see... guess selling used cars isn't paying the bills.. :rotz:
Too bad, it was the last opportunity for him to return it back to where it belongs!
Hi Birdsandbees, 13 November 2020
Have a feeling GVG isn't dealing with a full deck. That Build Sheet belonged to us, he was only storing it. He has now stolen / miss appropriated it from Bob and is now engaging in extortion using the internet, phone system while engaging in interstate criminal activity.
He has valued it at $25,000.00, way into the felony category. Conviction will get him some Hard Time.
He has dug his own hole. He has two choices: Send the Build Sheet to Bob and all will be forgiven, or hang onto it and face Federal Prosecution. That costs Big time and the worst part of it, there is only one customer that would like to have it. If GVG's used car business is going in the dumpster, maybe he "ain't got" enough smarts in marketing and/or the law.
GVG, If you choose not to send it to Bob, here's what you can do with it in the meantime while waiting the arrival of the Fed's: "Buy a picture frame, put the build sheet inside, attach a pair of wings, paint $25K on the front then hang it on the wall so you can look at it every day thinking about: Where'd I go Wrong?" It's called Greed.
Have fun Mr. Has-Been, we aren't done yet.
Best Always Everyone,
426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: A383Wing on November 13, 2020, 07:28:58 PM
It's worthless to him....he's only in it for the $$....always has been
Always thought GG was a douchebag and this fully confirms it.....
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 13, 2020, 07:39:38 PM
I had a good experience with Galen, all I had to do was purchase the broadcast sheet decode service... He even brought it to me... I paid $125.00 for the original broadcast sheet to my Press Release 69 Hemi Charger 500... I heard all those rumors too.. Not sure about it.. He came over, visited, had dinner and chatted a lot about this stuff.. He said he never charged these outlandish prices.. Just my experiences with him......
Troy
Hi Troy, 13 November 2020
How long ago was it that you dealt with him? Our dealings with him go back to early 2006 and up to 2009. Very limited contact but nothing that raised a red flag.
In the last couple of years we have heard rumblings that he was up to shady stuff. We had been warned and should have listened and acted accordingly.
Take care Troy and thanks.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
Galen's Tag Service has a F rating with BBB.
https://www.bbb.org/us/wi/prairie-du-chien/profile/auto-brokers/galens-tag-service-llc-0694-4022392/complaints
He got me in 2015 for $2700.
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 13, 2020, 06:17:51 PM
Tomorrow I will be pulling the rear seat, looking under it and behind the glove box and under the carpet for a broadcast sheet. Galen wanted $25,000 (not a misprint) for mine, and I don't need it that bad, just would like to have it-a difference between needs and wants.
That reminds me of:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBMARJiSJjo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBMARJiSJjo) There was mention of free Oldsmobiles, so be warned.
Quote from: 426HemiChick on November 13, 2020, 07:39:51 PM
Hi Birdsandbees, 13 November 2020
Have a feeling GVG isn't dealing with a full deck. That Build Sheet belonged to us, he was only storing it. He has now stolen / miss appropriated it from Bob and is now engaging in extortion using the internet, phone system while engaging in interstate criminal activity.
He has valued it at $25,000.00, way into the felony category. Conviction will get him some Hard Time.
He has dug his own hole. He has two choices: Send the Build Sheet to Bob and all will be forgiven, or hang onto it and face Federal Prosecution.
...
It's called Greed.
Have fun Mr. Has-Been, we aren't done yet.
Best Always Everyone,
426 Hemi Chicks
Is it possible to notify the people who host his website. I'd think attempted extortion would qualify as a breach of the TOS.
Also, just to help out, here is the following:
gts@mhtc.net
Or call Diane at (608) 326-6346
Don't send many faxes, but that number is (608) 326-8061
Here's a link to the BBB, oh, he's rated F (is that a surprise?) if anybody wants to make a complaint.
https://www.bbb.org/us/wi/prairie-du-chien/profile/auto-brokers/galens-tag-service-llc-0694-4022392 (https://www.bbb.org/us/wi/prairie-du-chien/profile/auto-brokers/galens-tag-service-llc-0694-4022392)
Lukas Steiner is the local District Attorney, he can be contacted at (608) 326-4802. There should also be some local department of business bureau which issues licenses to operate, maybe Mr. Steiner will provide that contact information. Maybe GG hasn't gotten the local business license, although I don't know if one is required there or not. It is here where I'm at. Galen's Tag Service LLC.
If I have time I'll keep working on it. Now, in modern times, there are Facebook and Twitter and other "social media" that can be involved too. I'm just a luddite so I don't do any of that.
OK, superbird20 got that posted while I was working on this. $2700, an interesting story to possibly post here, and hopefully more information for the District Attorney Steiner.
Car was first mentioned on September 13th, and Race Motor Sales ran this ad on September 16, 1969:
426Hemicheck, the only reason I asked about a repaint was because being a painter thought I noticed some flaking orange overspray paint under rocker & chips under that flaking paint showing possible original factory black out on pinch welds at bottom of rocker & fender. Also, obvious orange overspray on the chrome wheel well molding associated with most repaints or touch up. But seems highly unlikely it would of been repainted within it's first 2 or 3 years. No Insult Intended. P.S. If Galen was storing your Broadcast sheet for you he should just give it back to you, if he did indeed hold it hostage for $25k that's insane. LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 13, 2020, 11:53:59 PM
426Hemicheck, the only reason I asked about a repaint was because being a painter thought I noticed some flaking orange overspray paint under rocker & chips under that flaking paint showing possible original factory black out on pinch welds at bottom of rocker & fender. Also, obvious orange overspray on the chrome wheel well molding associated with most repaints or touch up. But seems highly unlikely it would of been repainted within it's first 2 or 3 years. No Insult Intended. P.S. If Galen was storing your Broadcast sheet for you he should just give it back to you, if he did indeed hold it hostage for $25k that's insane. LEON.
Hi LEON, 14 November 2020
No insult taken; thanks. Noticed some of it early in our ownership of the car. As time went by the paint could be seen thinning. Not the Chrysler applied Enamel, just the lacquer applied by Creative. If Bob's Daytona would have spent the last 48 years in Phoenix, it may have weathered the years better. The flip side is Phoenix is hotter. Don't know what that might have done to the interior. The net, net of it, she weathered the 41 years here quite well, all things considered.
Being 80 years old helped with the decision to find a new home for our Daytona. She is the most important of the four HP Mopar's we had and also the most beautiful car ever to grace the highways of the world. All the Chargers of that era were extremely beautiful, but the Daytona captured the Gold Ring with her beauty, exotic sleek looks and the fact that everything was functional and actually worked, which I can attest to having had her at 140 on I-75 in the UP of Michigan on our way to Canada for vacation in the summer of 1974.
We are happy Bob expressed interest in her. He flew here on Saturday 24 October 2020 and checked her over. As stated before, our primary goal was to find her a great new home and parent. You will notice, we did not advertise her as money was not our primary goal. We were well aware of what she is and how rare she really is. When Bob arrived and got out of the car, I knew we had a great new friend. Dena was in Phoenix running her businesses while I was here in Texas pulling Guard Duty.
Bob was one of the most respectful people I have met in my life. He was very careful while examining the car, found the hidden numbers I had no clue where they were but did know they existed. Before he came we gave him our asking price. Once he checked her over he agreed to buy her on the spot for our asking price. We are positive she will be well cared for. We love his idea of keeping her as a Time Capsule for future generations.
Galen Govier needs to do the right thing and pony up with the build sheet, which really belonged to us and now belongs to Bob; he needs to do so very soon. If he thinks he can win this, he's going to find it to be the most costly mistake of his life.
So Galen, accept the fact you made a very serious error in judgement, apologize and turn the Build Sheet over to Bob, who is its rightful owner. If you do that and do it soon, I'll send you a couple hundred bucks after I receive word from Bob that you corrected your error. Forget the $25K, it's never going to happen.Well folks, we found the Daytona's original water pump and the original alternator brackets. Only have a couple more trinkets to locate and Bob will have everything. Like we told him, we do NOT throw things away; it pays to save.
Last but not least, Bob paid us for the car almost two weeks before he came for it. You can't beat trust like that and it says a lot about the character of the man. We are extremely proud to call and have him as a true friend and also a belated
"Happy Veterans Day Bob."Thank You Bob, all our Love for You, your family and Matt.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: PettyMower on November 13, 2020, 11:28:14 PM
Car was first mentioned on September 13th, and Race Motor Sales ran this ad on September 16, 1969:
Hi PettyMower, 14 November 2020
Thanks for posting the ad. If one looks at the ad photo, you will notice the air intake/grill is not the same color as the body of the car, which is the way Bob's Daytona is; it has a black grill. I have always felt this is the way it looks best. Glad you posted it as Bob and I had a discussion about this very subject when he was here.
Wonder if the car in the photo is Bob's. It sure is an interesting post and ad. Thanks again.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: 426HemiChick on November 14, 2020, 02:35:50 AM
Quote from: PettyMower on November 13, 2020, 11:28:14 PM
Car was first mentioned on September 13th, and Race Motor Sales ran this ad on September 16, 1969:
Hi PettyMower, 14 November 2020
Thanks for posting the ad. If one looks at the ad photo, you will notice the air intake/grill is not the same color as the body of the car, which is the way Bob's Daytona is; it has a black grill. I have always felt this is the way it looks best. Glad you posted it as Bob and I had a discussion about this very subject when he was here.
Wonder if the car in the photo is Bob's. It sure is an interesting post and ad. Thanks again.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
426HemiChicks,
You are very welcome! It's always exciting to match up the original ad to the current car owner. (I wish I had kept track of how many to date, but there have been quite a few.)
I could be wrong, but I think it's a "stock photo" from Chrysler....others here will know better than me.
Jay
This was Race Motor Sales' first mention of 381532 ~ September 13, 1969:
(Right click the image, then Click "View Image")
Great story and really new here. Congrats on the new ownership and happy Belated Veterans day to Bob (new owner and you 426hemi and all other vets here).
If I may ask a question to 426hemichick here in reference to the broadcast sheet... seems this thread is staying on track :icon_smile_big:
How in the world or why would Galen being "STORING" the build sheet to begin with and who allowed this ? I'm assuming this agreement of sort was between you and him ?
Baffled :shruggy:
BTW... It's incredible that someone in that era would park 2 new cars with almost no miles on them. That's awesome..I'd love to hear what was the thought at that time in doing.
Thanks ;)
Bob, thank you again for allowing me to come down and crawl all over the car. I would love to come back another time and get even more pics. Some of my shots didn't quite turn out the way I wanted them to. And as I told Ernie yesterday, I didn't take a picture of the entire car. Ooops. I did get 588 pics so far, and I did get 43 minutes of video that I have snagged a few screen shots from as well.
Few minor details that I didn't get pics of and would love to be able to come back again and get those.
Personal opinion, the car is original paint. As far as the pinch welds go, and such, there was very little evidence of any black down there. I will dig through my pics an see where those pics are. It didn't appear near as well applied as was on the Malcoms car.
Geno, I had to chuckle because Bob called me out for taking 50 pics of the jack. And for taking 50-60 pics of the Charger sail emblems and drip troughs.
Its very hard to get pics of the date codes on all the parts I like tracking when they are all on the car. But I think I managed to get the dates from horn relay, wiper motor, voltage regulator, seat belts, and more.
I freely admit I am a nerd for numbers. Geno can attest to this, as well as Ernie, MoparJohn, and now Bob.
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 13, 2020, 07:39:38 PM
I had a good experience with Galen, all I had to do was purchase the broadcast sheet decode service... He even brought it to me... I paid $125.00 for the original broadcast sheet to my Press Release 69 Hemi Charger 500... I heard all those rumors too.. Not sure about it.. He came over, visited, had dinner and chatted a lot about this stuff.. He said he never charged these outlandish prices.. Just my experiences with him......
Troy
he lied, then. and $125 is still $125 too much for a paper that was worthless apart from the car.
bob didn't mention that the 25k figure came AFTER bob provided info on his six cars to galen for FREE
i also believe bob mentioned that diane was involved in the conversation, so talking to her would likely not change anything
screw stepping on anyone's toes. the internet is FULL of stories of galen ripping people off.
he trashed his reputation long ago and i hope this ransom demand finishes him off
guess who still has some cookies left from the visit? (you are a rock star, Jean)
guess who stole his mom's new Pacifica van for the trip, and still has it parked in his driveway with the fenders still in the back of it?
(that part isn't as one sided as it sounds; my new jeep is parked at her house, so the money is a wash...)
and guess who still cannot adequately express his gratitude to both the hemi chicks and the Jennings family? (Christine, you are also a rock star)
the answer to all three - me
here are a couple of views of the rockers. like dan mentioned, they appear untouched, as does the majority of the car.
it is a gold mine for "as delivered" reference photos
(bob, if you prefer others not post without prior approval, let me know and i will remove these)
Some of the things I noticed in Pics. But I did forget that Creative must of did some Painting on it so I could be wrong on lower fender part. I don't think Creative would painted on the wheel well Molding though. The one underside of Rocker looks like parts of It was sanded right through a white sealer to bare metal? This could of all been done by Creative possibly. LEON.
Quote from: 69_500 on November 14, 2020, 10:17:05 AM
And as I told Ernie yesterday, I didn't take a picture of the entire car. Ooops.
what he also told me was he would have spent the night there taking photos, and just called in to work Friday.
Bob, when (or if, lol) you let us back in the shop, be prepared to lock us in for the night.
I'm several hundred photos behind, due to one lever selected on the camera that locked me out of the menu to properly set it up.
ok, that is only partially accurate. I'd still be behind, since I only take 10 or so photos of something that Danny takes 50 or more of
I discovered the lock-out error when I got home, and almost threw the camera in the trash because of it.
i will never leave home again with that dang camera and not bring this book along with it
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 13, 2020, 06:17:51 PM
Tomorrow I will be pulling the rear seat, looking under it and behind the glove box and under the carpet for a broadcast sheet.
Also check under headliner (although Creative put a new headliner in, slight chance it could have been still taped to roof). And on top of gas tank. E-body bucket seats with hard seat back cover was another place: I'm not sure seat type on the HemiChicksTona. Didn't see if had hood pad, which would be another possible location.
I found one in one car rolled up in the radiator core support... but it was on a 300 mile car and a Chevy. Good luck.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 14, 2020, 11:25:45 AM
Some of the things I noticed in Pics. But I did forget that Creative must of did some Painting on it so I could be wrong on lower fender part. I don't think Creative would painted on the wheel well Molding though. The one underside of Rocker looks like parts of It was sanded right through a white sealer to bare metal? This could of all been done by Creative possibly. LEON.
hemi-hampton,
After your observations on the paint I started looking closer.
In addition to what you have pointed out I see orange overspray on the brake and fuel lines?
I also see black paint under the orange paint near the lower fender attachment hardware on both sides?
So now I wonder if there was rocker/pinch weld blackout at one time?
Thanks! MJ
Quote from: Repsol17 on November 14, 2020, 09:35:25 AM
BTW... It's incredible that someone in that era would park 2 new cars with almost no miles on them. That's awesome..I'd love to hear what was the thought at that time in doing.
Thanks ;)
Uncle Sam would have came calling
I will definitely be going back to see it. Especially after the news.
Quote from: Repsol17 on November 14, 2020, 09:35:25 AM
Great story and really new here. Congrats on the new ownership and happy Belated Veterans day to Bob (new owner and you 426hemi and all other vets here).
If I may ask a question to 426hemichick here in reference to the broadcast sheet... seems this thread is staying on track :icon_smile_big:
How in the world or why would Galen being "STORING" the build sheet to begin with and who allowed this ? I'm assuming this agreement of sort was between you and him ?
Baffled :shruggy:
BTW... It's incredible that someone in that era would park 2 new cars with almost no miles on them. That's awesome..I'd love to hear what was the thought at that time in doing.
Thanks ;)
Hi Repsol17, 14 November 2020
Sometime in 2006, I called Galen. I think I called him because I had an offer of $1mil for the 3 cars. I did not like the person that made the offer. I was a cop at the time and had the feeling he was a scammer. I told him I'd only sell the Daytona and the price was $1.2 Mil. He said that's a little high. I told him to look around the garage, there are no For Sale signs here; you came to me, if you want it, that's the price. If you don't, I really don't give a shit cause I really don't want to sell it. He left and didn't come back. Found out later he is a convicted felon, Insurance scams are his game.
Back to Galen; I gave him the vin number of the Daytona, he then checked his records; came back with: "I have your Build Sheet, do you want me to send it to you?" I asked him to keep it for me because I was afraid I'd lose it. He said: "OK." He explained someone found it in their car and sent it to Galen so he could possibly reunite it with the correct owner. Galen never said anything about money/fees/etc. and we didn't give the Build sheet much thought after that; that is until we found this site and a couple others. Started hearing rumblings his "business plan" had been "Revised and Modernized."
Considering Galen's current MO, I should have had him send it back in 06; hindsight. Maybe he'll come to his senses and realize the market for $25K Build Sheets is slim to none. Hang in there Galen, you just might snag one in the next 20 or so years. One thing for certain, he's doing a fine job of destroying what little reputation he has, if he has any at all.
Kind of reminds me of a Rodney Dangerfield Joke, which goes something like this: "My folks were so poor, if I hadn't been born a boy, I wouldn't have had anything to play with." Maybe Galen thinks a "Bad rep is better than no rep at all.
As for the other three cars, 68 Hemi RR, 69 440 6 Pack SB, and 70 Hemi Cuda 4 Spd, its a long story. I'll try to make a short version.
Bought 68 Hemi RR April 68 after return to CONUS from Japan. Decided to drag race it. Worked on it all summer, by the time we were done the season in Ohio was over. 1969 rolls into town, NHRA has a few rule changes, so decided to buy a 69 SB 6-Pack, the idea being pull the 6-pk from the SB, stuff it into the RR and sell it. Swapped a few things around and had the SB ready to go. It was all painted up fancy like by a famous artiest Named Greg who worked out of Arlen Vanke's shop in Akron Ohio. We called her "Elephant" due to being powered by the Elephant motor called Hemi. Ran it once and spun a bearing. Long explanation due here but will have to wait. Brought the Elephant home and started the rebuild. All of a sudden I was going back to Japan for another tour of undetermined length.
Pickled both engines and all parts, put everything in long term storage. Three years later I get back to Akron on a vacation between assignments. I was supposed to go to Europe for 6 months, decided I had had enough of the Good life, quit my job, bought the Daytona, Cuda, Gas Station and new Power Wagon with the "Sno Fighter" package (Ohio). Left the RR and SB in storage; had the Daytona, Cuda and W200 so there was no reason to do anything with the RR & SB. The RR and SB had 4405 and 2681 miles respectively on their clocks, still do. Sold the Cuda in 75, I hated that car, it was the most uncomfortable car I had ever owned. It was fun in town but on the highway it was a living hell. I could do a "BootLegger's" turn in the blink of an eye. That's the only thing that car had going for it. Sold it, now wish I still had it. 3 out of 4 isn't bad for blind luck.
Getting ready to move home to Phoenix, hopefully before Christmas. Will be putting the SB and RR back together. They need a small amount of work due to "Hanger Rash" or Garage Rash if you will. Considering a Crate Hemi to start with, putting it in the SB as it needs the lesser cleanup of the two. We plan to use them for local car shows, Drive-ins and maybe a street race or two. I can see the headlines now: "80 year old rumored to be "Street Racing" a 51 year old Hot Rod.
Hope we answered your preguntas. Hasta luego....
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
At about 2:00 PM EST today there must have been an earthquake in Indiana, followed by a major air attack. Actually an old fat guy started yelling and then jumped out of the backseat area of a V2 Daytona clutching a yellowed piece of paper in his hands that he could not quite read until he got into better light. Once he got into better light he realized, sure enough, it was the broadcast (build) sheet from his very Daytona, that was under the rear passenger jute backing of the carpet.
Yes, I found it! Thanks Dan and Ernie for telling me to look there. It is in excellent shape with one small but not problematic tear, I hazve taken 20 pictures and written down all the codes and it is now in the safe. I also know its value, heh, heh.
I have asked Steve (TanTop) to post it if he gets a chance. I don't know many of the codes except the important one.
Thanks everyone for their suggestions for where to look.
Bob
Hi Folks, 14 November 2020
We could never have dreamt that Bob's adoption of our Daytona would bring so much happiness and joy to so many folks. We knew Bob was the right parent for her but all the joy we see her bringing makes our decision one we are very proud of and happy with.
We're sure she is enjoying all the attention all you wonderful folks are giving her and we know she will return the favor; she is the finest car we have ever had the pleasure of calling OURS.
God Bless Her and All of You Folks. Thank you Bob, you really are a gem.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
Hi Galen, 14 November 2020
This post is just for you. My offer of a couple hundred bucks is hereby RECINDED. You blew it big time and I'm certain the word will get out as to your sleaze.
Christine, #2 of the 426 Hemi Chicks
Glad there was two in the car Bob! VIN correct... I sure hope! Enjoy :2thumbs:
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 14, 2020, 06:26:07 PM
At about 2:00 PM EST today there must have been an earthquake in Indiana, followed by a major air attack. Actually an old fat guy started yelling and then jumped out of the backseat area of a V2 Daytona clutching a yellowed piece of paper in his hands that he could not quite read until he got into better light. Once he got into better light he realized, sure enough, it was the broadcast (build) sheet from his very Daytona, that was under the rear passenger jute backing of the carpet.
Yes, I found it! Thanks Dan and Ernie for telling me to look there. It is in excellent shape with one small but not problematic tear, I hazve taken 20 pictures and written down all the codes and it is now in the safe. I also know its value, heh, heh.
I have asked Steve (TanTop) to post it if he gets a chance. I don't know many of the codes except the important one.
Thanks everyone for their suggestions for where to look.
Bob
:2thumbs:
Fantastic news !! :dance: :patriot:
XX29J9B381532 :popcrn:
black & white might be easier to see
Quote from: birdsandbees on November 14, 2020, 07:47:22 PM
Glad there was two in the car Bob! VIN correct... I sure hope! Enjoy :2thumbs:
Hi birdsandbees, 14 November 2020
It is correct; that VIN is etched into my brain where it shall remain in perpetuity.
I would love to be a fly on the wall in Galen's office when he learns Bob has a Build/Broadcast Sheet. Greed, many a man's downfall.
Best Always,
Christine
Hard to read all the #'s but I could make out F70X15 Firestone redline (red sidewall) tires & 3:55 8 3/4 sure grip rear. :scratchchin: Black Rims with Deluxe Wheel Covers :scratchchin:
"taxspeaker" congrats on the new car! & congrats on finding an additional b'cast sheet within the car!! :scratchchin: that quickly becomes a non-issue
good to see this car changed hands while the former 48 year owner can enjoy the proceeds :2thumbs:
I have now seen copies of 11 of the 40 HEMI Daytona broadcast sheets - this car has the current high of 10 extra-cost OPTIONs totaling $1,065.35
7 of the cars have OPTIONs totaling between $1,000 - $1,100 (2 are less & 2 are more) - the HEMI was $648.20
in reference to the tires - ALL 1969 HEMI cars had GOODYEAR POLYGLAS F70-15
of the 11 HEMI Daytona broadcast sheets:
7 with red "streak" VS. 4 with white "streak" Goodyear POLYGLAS tires
6 with automatics VS. 5 with 4-speeds
3 have the A36 "performance axle package" 3.55:1
it is the only one with power drum brakes
8 have consoles
it is the only one with the 6-way adjustable LH seat
2 have the LH remote mirror
7 have an AM radio
5 have power steering :o
4 have the wood-grained SPORT steering wheel
3 with "deluxe" wheel covers VS. 8 with hub caps
Quote from: 6bblgt on November 15, 2020, 12:51:00 AM
"taxspeaker" congrats on the new car! & congrats on finding an additional b'cast sheet within the car!! :scratchchin: that quickly becomes a non-issue
good to see this car changed hands while the former 48 year owner can enjoy the proceeds :2thumbs:
I have now seen copies of 11 of the 40 HEMI Daytona broadcast sheets - this car has the current high of 10 extra-cost OPTIONs totaling $1,065.35
7 of the cars have OPTIONs totaling between $1,000 - $1,100 (2 are less & 2 are more) - the HEMI was $648.20
in reference to the tires - ALL 1969 HEMI cars had GOODYEAR POLYGLAS F70-15
of the 11 HEMI Daytona broadcast sheets:
7 with red "streak" VS. 4 with white "streak" Goodyear POLYGLAS tires
6 with automatics VS. 5 with 4-speeds
3 have the A36 "performance axle package" 3.55:1
it is the only one with power drum brakes
8 have consoles
it is the only one with the 6-way adjustable LH seat
2 have the LH remote mirror
7 have an AM radio
5 have power steering :o
4 have the wood-grained SPORT steering wheel
3 with "deluxe" wheel covers VS. 8 with hub caps
Hi 6bblgt, 15 November 2020
If money had been the main object, our Daytona would have been sold a long time ago. Our first priority was the buyer and what they planned for her. Rather than rehash what we have already written, it was Bob himself. He's a man of his word, treats folks with the utmost respect and is honest and trusting.
Having her for 48 years, which we find hard to reconcile, made selling her a difficult decision. We had numerous opportunities to sell her recently and in the past. We wanted her to have a great home and parent, the absolute very best; we have accomplished those goals in spades.
We also would like to thank Bob's Wife Jean, his family and his assistant Matt for supporting his passion for the Wing Cars. We also want to thank all of you who know Bob and support him.
Best wishes and thank you all.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
Hemi daytona XX29J9 B381538 invoice notice dent in nose one of 11 6bbgt
Hi Christine, Bob and all Aerofolks.
Well done on securing the future of such a rare car!
I used to be an avid book reader 'back in my youth' but find most books now, as 'dull as ditchwater'
But if someone wrote the story of Hemi-chick-Christine (58 Fury) and your wonderful life with cars, then I would deffo read it! :2thumbs:
I'm sure Greg will do a superb 'coffee table' book of the 200-mph Daytona rebuild, filled with wonderful pictures and stories.
Maybe a collaboration of Wingcar stories for us overseas wannabees to drool over in our dotage... :pity: :pity: :pity:
Yes I know my 4-speed dana C500 is rare too, but life has made me sell her to pay the 'ferryman'... :slap: :'( :brickwall:
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Hemi daytona XX29J9 B381*** invoice notice dent in nose
can we not make a train wreck out of this thread by dragging other vin's into it?
Quote from: 6bblgt on November 15, 2020, 12:51:00 AM
"taxspeaker" congrats on the new car! & congrats on finding an additional b'cast sheet within the car!! :scratchchin: that quickly becomes a non-issue
good to see this car changed hands while the former 48 year owner can enjoy the proceeds :2thumbs:
I have now seen copies of 11 of the 40 HEMI Daytona broadcast sheets - this car has the current high of 10 extra-cost OPTIONs totaling $1,065.35
7 of the cars have OPTIONs totaling between $1,000 - $1,100 (2 are less & 2 are more) - the HEMI was $648.20
in reference to the tires - ALL 1969 HEMI cars had GOODYEAR POLYGLAS F70-15
of the 11 HEMI Daytona broadcast sheets:
7 with red "streak" VS. 4 with white "streak" Goodyear POLYGLAS tires
6 with automatics VS. 5 with 4-speeds
3 have the A36 "performance axle package" 3.55:1
it is the only one with power drum brakes
8 have consoles
it is the only one with the 6-way adjustable LH seat
2 have the LH remote mirror
7 have an AM radio
5 have power steering :o
4 have the wood-grained SPORT steering wheel
3 with "deluxe" wheel covers VS. 8 with hub caps
Good information. As far as the only power drum, the others all power disc? My understanding is the hemi charger required power brakes with the hemi. I assume the daytona would be the same. So disc not chosen. A good thing considering how hard it was to get 67-69 B body rotors.
Great story, I wish I had the money.
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on November 15, 2020, 10:03:10 AM
Good information. As far as the only power drum, the others all power disc? My understanding is the hemi charger required power brakes with the hemi. I assume the daytona would be the same. So disc not chosen. A good thing considering how hard it was to get 67-69 B body rotors.
not true - no additional mandatory OPTIONS on a B-body in 1969 when checking the HEMI
for the 11 broadcast sheets:3 with manual drum brakes - STANDARD
1 with power drum brakes - B51 OPTIONAL $42.95
7 are 4.10 DANA60 package cars OPTIONAL which included power disc brakes B41/B51 - 4 with A34 "Super Track Pak" (4-speed) $256.45 & 3 with A32 "Super Performance Axle Package" (automatic) $242.15
Hey Bob..
trying to get as much intel as I can..... Are your tailpipes welded to the resonators as well? Want to make sure the connection between the tailpipe and resonator was always welded and not clamped.. Phils white Daytona is welded. Want to make sure I do the proper way on my Hemi C500...
Hi Folks, 15 November 2020
This first part is for information purposes.
Our Tor-Red 68 Hemi Road Runner w/Black Interior, has the optional "Improved" interior, AM radio, Blackout hood treatment (removed it), Auto trans, 8 3/4" 3:23 Posi, Drums and that's it, No PS or PB. Bought new from dealer stock.
69 Bright Red, white interior Super Bee 6-pack Auto Tran, Radio delete (didn't want a hole in the right fender),4:10 Dana w/posi, Drums, No PS or PB. This was a special order for us.
Both of the above are 2dr cpe's not HT's.
Both cars came with F70 X 15 Red line Goodyear Poly's. Rims on the RR matched the body color (Tor-red) and came with dog-dish caps. The SB's rims were black, no caps, just chrome nuts.
Both cars exhausts were identical, same tips, resonators and mufflers. The Tips were NOT welded but clamped. We believe the same for the Daytona's tips, not welded but clamped; as for the rest of the CD's exhaust you will have to ask Bob.
EDIT Update 15 Nov 20 1736 MST:
Went out to the garage. Have one exhaust system remaining from the SB. The pipes were welded as best that I can tell and remember. When we started working on the RR for racing, the complete exhaust system was trashed. Stupid move on my part. We have the SB's complete exhaust system and the best I can tell is it was all welded except for the exhaust tips, which slipped into the pipe and were clamped. The tip was the hanger for the tail pipe. If I remember correctly, the tips slipped into the resonator.
What was our Daytona is now Bob's, she's safe, in her new home, with her new loving parent Bob. Thank You for adopting her.
Our garage now seems strange without her; when we go in we expect to see her, her tall tail, wing and .... her Coyote! ... They are gone, .... a jolt of reality. We know she's gone, but for over 41 years she was always there. We'll get over it because we know we did the right thing for her and those that care for her, her siblings and all the Mopar's folks are so passionate about.
We now have a bit more room in the garage. Plans are to take her former garage mates out, clean them up, turn the SB around so both face out, ready for the car hauler that will take them, the Mustang, CV and our small trailer to Phoenix. This should happen within the next few weeks; we're hoping we'll all be home for Christmas.
Wishing You All a Happy Thanksgiving, a Very Blessed, Happy Christmas and a Very Healthy and Happy New Year. God Bless You All and Thank You!!!
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
Troy
There are 2 things missing on this car: exhaust pipes (except chrome tips) and shocks-having been replaced years ago, sorry.
Bob
Quote from: birdsandbees on June 06, 2019, 07:46:24 PM
Well I'd be asking for that old Broadcast sheet sooner than later.. .old Govier ain't gonna live for ever, especially if some folks catch up to him... :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Hi birdsandbees, 16 November 2020
I happened to be parsing/reading through our thread when I happened to remember seeing the above post you made and thought it would be appropriate to put a copy here. Just hope Mr. Govier sees it. Bob's finding his Build / Broadcast Sheet has to be the
All Time Comeuppance for that Greedy Thief and Extortionist GG. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving AH.
Thanks again for that post, just glad I remembered it.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
Over axle pipes were always welded to the resonator. regardless of application / body style / engine choice
PS, and said axle pipe is welded to the can of the resonator. so there is no section of pipe protuding from the can of the resonator
That's one starving Mule.
Quote from: ACUDANUT on November 16, 2020, 11:12:44 PM
That's one starving Mule.
Hi Acudanut, 16 November 2020
That photo of the mule was taken in Portugal on our return trip from Fatima on the way back to Lisbon. Look closely at the road; there is glass everywhere. We had just rolled and totaled a Triumph Herald. We walked away with a few scratches. That photo is highly cropped; when I find the original I'll post it.
I doubt the mule or rider are still on earth. The photo was taken in 1966, 54 years ago, the year I turned 26.
Take care young lady.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
Edit 17 Nov 20, 0024 MST: Seems I can't subtract very well. Changed 64 years to 54 and added the year.PS:
As promised, here's the full photo:
(http://denaimages.ddns.net/christines/Portugal6.jpg)
Top Down, car didn't have seat belts or brakes, speeding and last but most importantly "Not feeling any Pain." We each had a couple bottles of grape juice for lunch just prior to the accident. Have to say, that was an ugly car, before and after.
My friend Hank, who was with me, passed away in 2007, RIP Henry.The full story of this accident and many other adventures of the crews of the ships we were on, are on the site dedicated to those Ships and their Crews.
Click on the Globe below our avatar then look around. My name then was Chet Headley. I sailed on the USNS Michelson T-AGS 23 (5.5 years) and USNS Bowditch T-AGS 21 (1 year).
Quote from: 69_500 on November 14, 2020, 10:17:05 AM
Bob, thank you again for allowing me to come down and crawl all over the car. I would love to come back another time and get even more pics. Some of my shots didn't quite turn out the way I wanted them to. And as I told Ernie yesterday, I didn't take a picture of the entire car. Ooops. I did get 588 pics so far, and I did get 43 minutes of video that I have snagged a few screen shots from as well.
Few minor details that I didn't get pics of and would love to be able to come back again and get those.
Personal opinion, the car is original paint. As far as the pinch welds go, and such, there was very little evidence of any black down there. I will dig through my pics an see where those pics are. It didn't appear near as well applied as was on the Malcoms car.
Geno, I had to chuckle because Bob called me out for taking 50 pics of the jack. And for taking 50-60 pics of the Charger sail emblems and drip troughs.
Its very hard to get pics of the date codes on all the parts I like tracking when they are all on the car. But I think I managed to get the dates from horn relay, wiper motor, voltage regulator, seat belts, and more.
I freely admit I am a nerd for numbers. Geno can attest to this, as well as Ernie, MoparJohn, and now Bob.
Only 50?? You're slipping. :icon_smile_big:
As for being a nerd for numbers, you're the only one I know who can recite the VIN of (nearly?) every Daytona or C500 you've seen in person -- and many you haven't seen but know about. I'm a numbers nerd too, I just can't recall them from memory... I'm lucky to remember my wife's birthday (and even that's written down somewhere just to be safe).
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I'm looking forward to seeing Bob's new treasure trove of details in person one of these days. :2thumbs:
427 hemichick, why did you go to Fatima ? :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Will you adopt me and give me the Hemi Cuda. LOL
You know I am a acuda nut.
Quote from: ACUDANUT on November 19, 2020, 07:22:23 PM
427 hemichick, why did you go to Fatima ? :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Will you adopt me and give me the Hemi Cuda. LOL
You know I am a acuda nut.
Hi Acudanut, 19 November 2020
I, like many folks was raised in the Catholic faith, went to Catholic school grades 1-9. Hated every second I spent there. Grade 9 was a Waterloo experience. Purposely became persona non grata, meaning I wasn't invited back for grade 10. "Halleluiah," the most successful school year moment in my life.
Registered in our local public high school, was going there a couple months when my mom must have had an unintentional moment of sobriety, and mentioned she noticed my friend Tom and I weren't going to school together. I told her: "We go to different schools." "What do you mean?" she said. I responded: "Tom goes to St. Mary's, I go to Falls High." "Oh no you don't!" she said. I shot back with "Oh yes I do. I was kicked out of St. Mary's and no other Catholic high school in the Akron Ohio area will have me." This was pure BS; she bought it and the subject evaporated.
Eight years later (1963) I was in the US Navy with a four year active duty commitment. Boarded my first sea duty command July 1964 in Bayonne NJ. I was assigned to the USNS Michelson T-AGS 23 reporting to Oceanographic Detachment 3 embarked aboard the Michelson. If anyone is interested in what we did, click on the "Globe" below our Avatar. Our project was super secret, we were generally transferred to US Army bases for further transfer to our ships. We had civilian clothes, had our meals in a dining room, ordered them from a menu and were attended to by waiters. It was the best sea duty a sailor could have.
Why did I go to Fatima? Because Fatima is in Portugal, we made several port calls in Lisbon which is in Portugal, and having been raised Catholic, as was Hank, we wanted to see the famous shrine. You can read the full story and see all the photos of our trip there and back and many other adventures and places we visited. If you would like to learn more about what we did and our personal adventures, visit our ships Web Site.
I couldn't adopt you because my SO/Girlfriend wouldn't approve and neither would I. That doesn't mean we wouldn't like you as a friend, because we would. We also have three Pooches who love attention and when anyone comes to visit, they give all their attention to the visitors.
Think you might have missed the part where we mentioned we sold the Hemi Cuda 4 SPd in 1975. It was a cool car but was miserable to drive on a trip. I had a couple mishaps with it, my girlfriend at the time smashed the passenger side backing out of the parking spot next to it. After we sold it, a friend stopped by one day and told me he saw our old Cuda. Asked him where he saw it, he said: "In a wrecking yard rolled up in a ball." Just glad we weren't in it. So, we are unable to fulfill your dream, though we do wish we could.
Of all the cars we have had, amongst them a 68 Hemi Road Runner, 69 440 Six-Pack Super Bee, 69 Hemi Daytona, and a 70 Hemi Cuda; of those and all the other cars we have had, the Hemi Daytona is by far the best car we have ever owned. She now belongs to Bob, aka Taxspeaker. He is by far the best owner we found for our Daytona. We wanted her to have the best Home and parent possible. She now has them in spades; Bob's Happy, His Daytona is Happy and so are we.
Thank you Ms. Cuda, take care, stay safe and healthy.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: held1823 on November 15, 2020, 08:52:10 AM
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Hemi daytona XX29J9 B381*** invoice notice dent in nose
can we not make a train wreck out of this thread by dragging other vin's into it?
Looks like the train is coming! Not my place to say whether it's welcomed or not but it sure seems like the previous owners feel the need to add a lot of irrelevant information that most of us don't need to read to this thread that has nothing to do with the Hemi Daytona :Twocents:
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on November 20, 2020, 09:46:54 AM
Quote from: held1823 on November 15, 2020, 08:52:10 AM
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Hemi daytona XX29J9 B381*** invoice notice dent in nose
can we not make a train wreck out of this thread by dragging other vin's into it?
Looks like the train is coming! Not my place to say whether it's welcomed or not but it sure seems like the previous owners feel the need to add a lot of irrelevant information that most of us don't need to read to this thread that has nothing to do with the Hemi Daytona :Twocents:
quite the difference between a completely different car versus anything coming from the owner of this one for practically its entire existence.
you mention relevance - there are several threads on specific cars here that contain information that has nothing to do with the car.
Gene's car for one example. Each of Mopar John's resto threads for two more.
my own car is another example, one where i welcome any and all comments from Christine, who is part of the car's history going forward.
There are at least a half dozen others here on the aero forum alone. no telling how many are on the charger forum.
The life story of each car mentioned includes the experiences of the family owning it. Anything else would read like a sale ad.
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on November 20, 2020, 09:46:54 AM
Quote from: held1823 on November 15, 2020, 08:52:10 AM
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Hemi daytona XX29J9 B381*** invoice notice dent in nose
can we not make a train wreck out of this thread by dragging other vin's into it?
Looks like the train is coming! Not my place to say whether it's welcomed or not but it sure seems like the previous owners feel the need to add a lot of irrelevant information that most of us don't need to read to this thread that has nothing to do with the Hemi Daytona :Twocents:
Hi Y1CHARGER, 20 November 20
"Not my place to say ...." so why'd you say it? Go back and re-read what you wrote; your two cents is Nonsense.
We have 48 years invested in Bob's Daytona; what do you have?
Thanks for your heartfelt comments; we so appreciate them. Take care Y1.
Best Always,
Christine, #2 of the 426 Hemi Chicks
Hi Bob, 20 November 2020
The photos arrived this AM. Thank You for them and for adopting what was our Hemi Daytona. She's in the best of hands; she has a beautiful new home, lots of company and a very caring Parent. We know you will care for her like she deserves.
The H2O pump should be there today, should have been there yesterday.
Thanks Again Bob.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
Request made for picture of original voltage regulator. Sorry for my delay-working extra hours right now
Bob
Quote from: 426HemiChick on November 20, 2020, 12:59:18 PM
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on November 20, 2020, 09:46:54 AM
Quote from: held1823 on November 15, 2020, 08:52:10 AM
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Hemi daytona XX29J9 B381*** invoice notice dent in nose
can we not make a train wreck out of this thread by dragging other vin's into it?
Looks like the train is coming! Not my place to say whether it's welcomed or not but it sure seems like the previous owners feel the need to add a lot of irrelevant information that most of us don't need to read to this thread that has nothing to do with the Hemi Daytona :Twocents:
Hi Y1CHARGER, 20 November 20
"Not my place to say ...." so why'd you say it? Go back and re-read what you wrote; your two cents is Nonsense.
We have 48 years invested in Bob's Daytona; what do you have?
Thanks for your heartfelt comments; we so appreciate them. Take care Y1.
Best Always,
Christine, #2 of the 426 Hemi Chicks
What was meant is that your post of your high school experiences and other meaningless rants was welcomed by the OP and other members or not, I guess you couldn't comprehend the sentence, what happens when you get kicked out of school, so keep on posting meaningless posts that the majority seems to wants to hear, I'd rather not and just move on, HAPPY HOLIDAYS to all :icon_smile_big:
Just do not READ THEM :nana: :nana: :spank:
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on November 22, 2020, 05:10:53 PM
What was meant is that your post of your high school experiences and other meaningless rants was welcomed by the OP and other members or not, I guess you couldn't comprehend the sentence, what happens when you get kicked out of school, so keep on posting meaningless posts that the majority seems to wants to hear, I'd rather not and just move on, HAPPY HOLIDAYS to all :icon_smile_big:
Hi Y1, 22 November 2020
Appreciate your comments. To clarify, when I got kicked out of school, I went to my local high school, unbeknownst to my alcoholic parents.
Hope you, your family and loved ones have a Blessed Christmas and New Year. God Bless You All.
Best Always,
Christine, #2 and least important member of the 426 Hemi Chicks
Happy New Year & Christmas to you 426Hemichick & everybody else. :cheers: And Thanksgiving.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 22, 2020, 08:30:30 PM
Happy New Year & Christmas to you 426Hemichick & everybody else. :cheers: And Thanksgiving.
Thank You Hemi-Hampton, 22 November 2020
Wishing Bob, You, all the members and guests that frequent this site a Wonderful Thanksgiving, a Blessed Christmas and a Joyous, Healthy, Happy and Safe New Year.
May the Good Lord Bless You All, Your Families and Loved Ones.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: talkiemopar on November 22, 2020, 06:00:29 PM
Just do not READ THEM :nana: :nana: :spank:
you'd think something so simple to do would be easy, wouldn't you?
Stunning picture of the Herald 'hemi-chic'!
I saw a similar accident in the UK a few years back where the open-top sports car had rolled.
Guess what, they ain't here telling wonderful stories about hemi and sixpack cars etc... :engel016:
We had a Herald as a company car 'back in the day' it was horrible to drive and downright dangerous.
I believe they had a similar axle set-up to the once infamous Corvair, drive FAST at peril to ALL... :badidea:
They also had an early 1300 GLX Ford Escort that I nearly crashed too on a high speed bend.
60's and 70's British cars weren't all they are 'cracked-up' to be and were only any good with massive suspension modifications... :hack: :smash: :drive:
I have a friend or two in Lisbon and they drive VW's... :pullinghair: Oh the shame of it... :slap:
Hi Folks, 23 November 2020
It's been 2 weeks and 2 days since Our Daytona adopted Bob, or was it Bob that adopted her? I think they adopted each other, which we like to think is the best of both worlds.
Bob's Daytona's departure for greener pastures has left a real void. She was a fixture in our lives for more than half the time we have spent on this Space Ship.
When she departed, we were left with four vehicles here, one of which is the RR whose Hemi has been in a disassembled configuration for 51 years, and two vehicles in Phoenix.
I want to get home last year. You read that right. not a typo. I want to get there ASAP if not sooner. Currently working through the garage sorting the parts to the RR and SB and repacking them for shipment home.
The Ford does need a good bit of work and it does have 120K + miles on the clock. I prefer doing the major work myself, which takes a fair amount of time. I've had the delusion I can do everything I used to do just as well and fast. Since I have been working in the garage, my delusion has caused the conclusion I'm full of shit; I ain't 25 anymore. I'm slower, lower (a couple inches shorter), less strong (sounds better than weaker) and don't have the fire in my belly to get all grimy, greasy and dirty.
Came up with a modification of the general plan. We bought another Hemi, one that runs, and has room for Dena, our three pups and me, as long as I ride in the bed. We took title to it today; it's a 2009 Ford (Gotcha didn't we?), Dodge Ram 1500 Laramie Quad Cab w/67K on the clock.
I have enrolled in the local university's course on "How to Start it" and anything else you probably don't care to know. The course on "How To Stop It" is an Optional extra cost feature, which is highly recommended .... if one plans to go anywhere in it.
The owners manual is 500 + pages of gobbledygook. By the time I'm finished reading it the truck, or I, may be both, will be toast.
It's Inferno Red (What is it with us and Red Vehicles?). 426 Hemi 5 Spd Auto Trans. 5.7 liters is 426 CI right? We can dream can't we? It's a reasonable substitute considering it'll take awhile to get the RR and SB's engines reassembled and running again.
We think we should put a small replica Nose Cone on the front and a small replica Wing on the bed cover and call her a .... Never have seen this before .... a "Ramtona(c)(TM)" or "Raytona(c)(TM)." What you all think" Which shall it be? You saw it here first.
The truck was bought from a friend and neighbor. Used mainly to go between here and their summer home in Maine. It has been driven about 6K miles per year and has been well cared for.
We feel better now that we're back to a two Hemi family.
Have to get all the MOPARTS and FOMOCO parts packed and ready to ship. There are more than I could have imagined. Even a bunch of Harley parts. Fortunately, all the airplane parts are gone; still have a bunch of aircraft tools I should find a home for.
Bob,
Found additional items for you. Will ship as soon as all are rounded up.
Time to get back into the garage.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine
Wed 25 Nov 20 - Edited for clarity
Bob sent me this picture of the upper radiator hose , side by side with a repop
:2thumbs:
with a different vendor number, the reproduction is probably based on a "NOS" unit (or different plant or model year), not a 1969 Hamtramck assembly line unit
Don't even look close. deduct a point. :scratchchin: :shruggy: :slap:
Quote from: 6bblgt on December 12, 2020, 08:28:55 PM
with a different vendor number, the reproduction is probably based on a "NOS" unit (or different plant or model year), not a 1969 Hamtramck assembly line unit
Ive seen at least 2 , maybe 3 different styles of print on original hoses. So yes there were multiple vendors supplying hoses back then
FYI - the broadcast sheet calls out "IN" upper radiator hose # "86" = part # 2806 186 - for 1969 it is b-body HEMI ONLY
the 2863 230 is OE on a 1969 b-body with 383 & A/C Leece-Neville alternator (cop car piece) :scratchchin: is it original to the car or was it replaced early in the car's life ?? :shruggy:
the factory 1969 383/440 b-body with 26" radiator was # 2863257
2806 186 on a build sheet is not a part number, it is a code for passenger side, 26" radiator inlet location on radiator core
2863230 IS the part number for a Hemi radiator inlet hose-read all the lines-383, w/AC and then it says "426 engine All"-see attached parts page from actual dealer 1969 parts books I took when my employer was throwing them away in 1977.
Yes it is the original, correct hose. I have cleaned it inside and out and will reinstall it.
Now as to the bottom hose, of which I have not posted a picture, I am not so sure. I have it off and will be examining it under better light-it does not appear to have any part numbers on it at all. Further examination to follow. If it is original I will reuse it if possible, but my gut tells me it is a Gates hose-it kind of looks like there are faint imprints of a triangle on it, and I seem to remember Gates using that. More to come on that.
Thanks
Bob
I disagree,
you are looking at a superceded part number in a January 1971 parts catalog (not assembly line) maybe the same version of the '69 catalog the replacement was ordered out of :shruggy:
in the build section of a broadcast sheet, the 2-digits are the last 2-digits of the part # or an assembly's part #
here's a pic of the currently available reproduction 2806186 radiator hose
within a month of the purchase of my first (used) car, I replaced wheels/tires/shocks/hoses/belts
hopefully some of these components are still on the ~25K mile Daytona, but I'd be surprised :o they are among the most difficult to find OE pieces
Got it, thanks!
Christine says never replaced, and i just called Jack, the 1st owner, who swears the same thing, so a never to be answered mystery.
Just my personal opinion.
But I would be very leary of driving it on 50 plus year old radiator hoses .
Put a set of the best repops on it and take a little bit of stress off the drive
Congrats Bob,on aquiring yet another amazing piece of wingcar history! When the original thread began,I was one of the people who believed that the car was legit,and the Dena and Christine were being honest about the cars that they had,and have preserved for decades. When the pictures were posted,it confirmed what I believed to be true. I also stated that the car was indeed the holy grail,and perhapse the only unrestored Hemi Daytona left in the world! Now that Dena and Christine have decided to pass the torch,I admire them for their concern for the well being of car, that they found the best possible home for the car,with Bob. Your generous gift to Ernie just proves even more that is about the cars,and not the money as Dena and Christine have said from the begining! This story is really what our hobby is all about!
Quote from: gtx6970 on December 13, 2020, 08:35:43 PM
Just my personal opinion.
But I would be very leary of driving it on 50 plus year old radiator hoses .
Put a set of the best repops on it and take a little bit of stress off the drive
Take the original hose and go make a stencil to duplicate the stamps..
Quote from: gtx6970 on December 13, 2020, 08:35:43 PM
Just my personal opinion.
But I would be very leary of driving it on 50 plus year old radiator hoses .
Put a set of the best repops on it and take a little bit of stress off the drive
I guess it depends on the condition.
I have a few cars with original hoses....and I drive them :cheers:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 09, 2020, 08:34:24 PM
Congrats, Great Story. Glad to see your keeping it Original instead of Restoring it. :2thumbs: LEON.
I second that!
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 14, 2020, 11:27:46 AM
Quote from: gtx6970 on December 13, 2020, 08:35:43 PM
Just my personal opinion.
But I would be very leary of driving it on 50 plus year old radiator hoses .
Put a set of the best repops on it and take a little bit of stress off the drive
I guess it depends on the condition.
I have a few cars with original hoses....and I drive them :cheers:
I'd run a lower PSI radiator cap and put the original back on when it's on display
Hi Bob, 14 December 2020
Just thought of something, what kind of hose clamps are/were on the bottom hose? If they are the screw type, to us it says the hose was replaced. During the years your Daytona was driven, hardly anyone would reuse OEM hose clamps when replacing hoses, too much trouble and who would have been able to foresee the interest in these cars down the road. Looking back we wish we had all the parts we tossed because: "No one will ever want this stuff." Too bad Foresight isn't as good as Hindsight.
Just a thought.
Sent you a PM with the numbers on the RR's and SB's Rad hoses. They are original. As soon as we get the photos, we'll post them here on your thread.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
Hi Bob, 19 December 2020
Below are the photos of the Rad Hoses for our 1968 Hemi Road Runner and 1969 440 Six-Pack Super Bee. They have 4405 and 2681 miles, respectively, on their clocks.
The RR was driven about 6 weeks in 68 and the SB about 8 weeks in 69, during which I had a company car at my disposal.
The hoses pictured below are the actual OEM hoses that were on the cars when we bought them. They are soft and pliable; there are marks/indentations where the OEM hose clamps did their duty.
One of the things we found interesting is the top hose for the 69 440 6-PK has the same PN as the top hose on your Hemi Daytona. Both cars are 69's and believe built in the same Chrysler assembly plant, Hamtramck (B code digit 7 of VIN).
I wouldn't put too much faith in Chrysler's record keeping or Build/Broadcast Sheets.
Hope you find this a bit helpful. We would like to see a photo of your Daytona's bottom Rad hose if possible.
1968 Hemi Roadrunner Top Rad Hose
(http://denaimages.ddns.net/christines/Hose25.jpg)
(http://denaimages.ddns.net/christines/Hose26.jpg)
(http://denaimages.ddns.net/christines/Hose33.jpg)
1968 Hemi Roadrunner Bottom Rad Hose
(http://denaimages.ddns.net/christines/Hose15.jpg)
(http://denaimages.ddns.net/christines/Hose16.jpg)
(http://denaimages.ddns.net/christines/Hose20.jpg)
(http://denaimages.ddns.net/christines/Hose23.jpg)
1969 Super Bee Top Rad Hose
(http://denaimages.ddns.net/christines/Hose38.jpg)
(http://denaimages.ddns.net/christines/Hose45.jpg)
(http://denaimages.ddns.net/christines/Hose46.jpg)
1969 Super Bee Bottom Rad Hose
(http://denaimages.ddns.net/christines/Hose34.jpg)
(http://denaimages.ddns.net/christines/Hose36.jpg)
(http://denaimages.ddns.net/christines/Hose37.jpg)
Take care everyone.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
Dena / Christine, I think you have your upper radiator hoses switched #30 for the HEMI & the #57 for the 440+6 - the lowers are appropriate #31 for '68 & #45 for '69
the shape is different between the 2 because of the fuel lines
so it appears both the '68 & '69 HEMIs had 2863230 upper hoses originally :2thumbs:
when you put the '68 HEMI in the A12 Super Bee did you change the K-frame?
the Charger (9B) was built in Hamtramck, MI VS. the Super Bee (9A) on Lynch Rd. in Detroit, MI ~7 miles away :scratchchin: where was the Road Runner built? 8A or 8G (St. Louis, MO)
here are pics of the current reproductions of the #31 & #45 reproduction lower radiator hoses
:scratchchin: & it looks like the #45 is stamped on the wrong "END" :brickwall:
That is some serious nick picking. What's next, original air in the tires ? :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy:
Quote from: ACUDANUT on December 19, 2020, 10:16:14 AM
That is some serious nick picking. What's next, original air in the tires ? :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy:
It's either right or it's wrong.... :Twocents:
This is one car that, in my opinion, should be as correct, and remain, as original as possible.
It's a time capsule. :coolgleamA:
Hi 6bblgt, 19 December 2020
All four Rad hoses were in the same box. The way I determined which hoses were from the two cars is by the condition of the hoses and what was on the inside of the hoses where they attach to the engine.
After we finished building the 68 Hemi, which we were going to return to the RR, it sat on the engine stand over the winter of 68/69. When 69 rolled around, in my infinite wisdom, I ordered the 6-PK SB. Drove it a bit, had trouble with the engine at about 00005 miles due to the passenger rocker shaft not being tightened/torqued properly causing the pushrods to pop out bending two valves in the process.
Had it warranty fixed, sort of, another story. Drove it around for awhile until we were ready to swap the engines. Fortunately, I had some foresight and bought a new Hemi K member. (No, it's not for sale)
Once we had the Hemi built I painted it Black and painted the rocker covers Orange. What does this have to do with hoses? When I checked the hoses to try and determine which was what, I found two things in two of the hoses, black paint and the remnants of a sealer, my favorite at the time, called Gasgacinch, and still is. When replacing Rad hoses, I always coated the inside of the hose where it contacted the Rad.
While examining the hoses I found black paint and Gasgcinch inside the set of hoses I indicated were from the 68 Hemi. Could I be wrong? Only once, when I thought I was wrong and it turned out I was right. Yes it's possible but those two hoses were on the Hemi when we had it in the SB. Also, the two hoses we indicated as being from the SB appeared to have the least amount of usage and no black paint or Gasgacinch inside.
I'm going from my recollection of what we did 51 and 52 years ago. That's probably before most of you were born, or at least old enough to drive. I don't know about others, I started driving at 12 or 13. We borrowed cars people weren't using at the moment; when we found one, we would loan their cars to ourselves, drive them around and return them with a near empty tank... and three hubcaps. The passenger side rear cap always went AWOL if they had Spinner Caps (53 Oldsmobile Spinners were the best.)
I'll check the RR and SB VIN's and post them here.
Take care.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
PS:
I can assure you, Dena had no part in my youthful escapades during those formative years.
Quote from: ACUDANUT on December 19, 2020, 10:16:14 AM
That is some serious nick picking. What's next, original air in the tires ? :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy:
Hi Miss CUDA, 19 December 2020
Just happen to have a couple tires with original 52 year old air. Amazing, the things we have. I think it's called "Packrat." Guilty as charged. Again, Dena had no part in it. She's the one with the Brains and Common Sense.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
Ok here is where we are
The heater hoses, although original are so brittle that they are being saved but replaced with repro units. 6BBl is right on the broadcast sheet number being correct usually, but after discussing with both the 1set owner and Christine, noting that both radiator hoses still had the old manufacturer pain in the *** clamps and did not visually appear to have ever been removed, and knowing Chrysler sometimes built something that did not match the broadcast sheet, I think I will reinstall the one that was on it when I got it from Christine. It is not at all brittle, shows no real wear or cracks and may illustrate some assembly line changeover? I really don't want to change anything at all unless required for safety, and since it won't be driven much (once running) I am comfortable with the old hose. The bottom hose is cracked but I have not looked closely yet to see if usable or readable. My overtime days ended yesterday so I hope to get back to shop tomorrow.
Thanks for everyone's comments
Bob
Hi Bob, 19 December 2020
How does this sound: Tell us which two of the four hoses we have that you want and we'll trade you them for two duplicate Repo's. Did find the heater hose for one of the cars in the same box. It's so brittle it broke into a dozen pieces while in the box.... without any help from us.
If'n you want to do that we'll send them as soon as we finish putting the stuff together we are already planning on sending you. Only have one more item to locate and that's the Yellow Accel coil. Two hoses aren't going to cause any problems.
The only car of the two we may try and return to stock original is the SB. The RR and it's Hemi have too many mods to ever be able to be considered stock/original. It'll make a good toy.
Here is where we need a bit of advice. The 6-PK's engine was disassembled due to the problems created by the shoddy original assembly and shoddy repair by the dealer. We bought new pistons, rings, rods (had the rods bushed for floating pins, lengths matched, shot peened, de-burred, Magnafluxed and balanced). The pistons we bought are forged TRW L2295F (4.320" 12.5 comp) racing pistons, hasting rings, Isky cam package (darn box weighs a ton) and a few other items. All the above was purchased 42+ years back.
If'n we do decide to restore the SB to original, should we not use any of the stuff mentioned above? Probably goes w/o saying to not use this stuff. My thinking is the pistons, rings and rods may possibly be OK if we dial down the compression.
The ISKY cam package is fairly radical and probably wouldn't be a good idea to install it. Here's the info for it: PN: 165080, Grind: B-800 High Block, Lift: .534, Duration: 320°.
Take care.
Best always,
Dena and Christine
Quote from: ACUDANUT on December 19, 2020, 10:16:14 AM
That is some serious nick picking. What's next, original air in the tires ? :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy:
It is all in the eyes of the restorer... If someone wants to strive to get things as close to original, well, it is self-serving OCD, to each their own and just because someone wants to do it, cool...... I wish I wasn't so focused on getting things as correct as possible, but alas I am,,,,, within financial reason for my wallet....
Quote from: 6bblgt on December 19, 2020, 04:43:15 AM
here are pics of the current reproductions of the #31 & #45 reproduction lower radiator hoses
:scratchchin: & it looks like the #45 is stamped on the wrong "END" :brickwall:
Hi 6bblgt, 21 December 2020
Here are the VIN's for the 68 RR and 69 SB:
RM21J8A266061
WM21M9A261270
Looks like they both went down the Lynch Rd Assembly Line.
Thanks, take care.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
Great purchase taxspeaker. I think we all know that you will do it justice. Thanks for sharing. :2thumbs:
And thanks to 426HemiChicks for properly storing the cars so that they can be enjoyed by many in the future.
Quote from: wingcarenvy on December 21, 2020, 11:23:11 AM
Great purchase taxspeaker. I think we all know that you will do it justice. Thanks for sharing. :2thumbs:
And thanks to 426HemiChicks for properly storing the cars so that they can be enjoyed by many in the future.
Hi Wingcarenvy, 21 December 2020
You are quite welcome. We are very thankful Bob adopted our Daytona. We know he loves her and will do everything she needs and deserves. Bob's Hemi Daytona has the best home and family possible; that makes us happy that she is where she rightfully belongs.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine
2 Months after purchase-some updates-Part 1 :
My original goals remain unchanged.
Goal 1: The car will not be restored or repainted or "upgraded". I have not changed and will not change the body or paint. I have not even washed the car.
Goal 2: Clean the old road grime and grease in a non-abrasive manner. Using, so far, 15-20 containers of "Tubs of Towels" (non-abrasive hand cleaners) I have been able to clean most of the grime, grit and grease off the engine, rear end and suspension. It has revealed interesting original axle and transmission stamps, paint overspray from Creative in unexpected areas, and some other unexpected grease pen markings.
Goal 3: Non-original parts (just shocks and exhaust) will be replaced with NOS originals if possible, reproductions as a last choice. Any original part that is questionable or broken will be rebuilt, not replaced.
Goal 4: It will however be driven and to be driven some things must be rebuilt, particularly rubber items and seals and anything safety related. I have a box I am keeping anything that has been replaced and it is a very, very small box!
Goal 5: Document everything. Before I touch anything I have been taking lots of pictures and notes, and at the end of every time I work on it I write down a complete log of what was done, how, and with what. If something has to come off I put it back the exact same way it was before removal.
I had originally hoped to try to start the car by the end of January, but it looks like it will be mid-February now.
On the exterior-nothing has changed except wheels and tires and hubcaps. The rear 2 wheels were 1969 factory originals from their date stamps and markings, and I was able to find 2 more rare 1969 correct Hemi 15x6 wheels. These original 2 wheels have been remounted on the back of the car with actual low-mileage 1969 red stripe F70x15 Goodyear tires. Although 50 years old and in good tread shape, they won't be used if I am driving very fast. I found 4 used original deluxe hubcaps and have them mounted on the rear wheels which are now on the car. The front wheels are not yet back on, but they are also now wearing the correct tires and have the 2 hubcaps in a box awaiting mounting.
After being able to salvage a couple of the original tires off of the old mag wheels that Christine included with the car, and verifying date codes, I have used one of the poor condition ones as a spare on a Coker 15x6 steel wheel-one of the very few parts that was missing. So exterior wise I have bought 1 wheel from Coker for $120 and 4 used hubcaps for an amount I am not proud of-it's hard to find "non-disc" correct ones since most of them say disc brakes on the inner red center-cap moulding.
In the trunk nearly everything was there except the spare and the wingnut holding the spare on. Both jacks, and the bases and special handles were there, plus the wingnut for the jack hold-down clamp-which I had one, so in the trunk I have bought a tire tie-down wingnut, a jack spring and cleaned, cleaned, cleaned to get the original mat acceptable. I still have a pack of 10 1095 GE Bulbs from 1970 and I replaced both burned out ones in the taillamps so that all rear lamps work correctly. (Yes I have hooked up a battery a couple of times). Maybe $20 in total for the trunk not counting the wheel above.
In the interior I pulled the seats and cleaned them, making sure the six-way mechanism was working, and of course, finding the build sheet under the carpet. I replaced the dome lamp bulb and both console bulbs and that's it. I did glue 1 piece of carpet back on the passenger side of the console, and re-mounted the driver kick panel. The radio and horn are not working, and will be checked later. The wipers, turn signals and interior dimmer work fine as does the heater fan. So I did not have to buy anything for the interior (I have a lot of 50 year old bulbs), just lots of cleaning.
In the suspension I have replaced the old, worn-out aftermarket Gabriel Hijackers (that were worn out from age) with some stock looking but lightly used original-looking ones I had in the shop, and will lube the front end. So nothing spent there either. I siphoned out the 50 year old rear differential lube and replaced it with some new lube I also had on the shelf.
The brakes have been a different story. I decided to rebuild all 4 wheel cylinders while on the car because the fluid was gone from the master cylinder and a couple of them were full of some waxy substance. Spent $12 on wheel cylinder rebuild kits. Then we found the brake shoes were all cracked (age or use?) and replaced them as well-another $70. The master cylinder seems fine, so I siphoned out the old brake fluid, refilled it and bench bled it. I got my wife to sit in the car the other night while I tried to bleed the brakes and could not get anything to work. (She now brags she has more seat time in a Hemi Daytona than me). At first I thought it was the distribution block being all clogged up, but I found instead that both front wheel rubber hoses has collapsed as well as the 1 rear one so they were completely blocked. After talking with Mark at Magnum he advised me, as did my wife, to buy some reproduction replacements and save the old ones. I blew out all the steel lines and have ordered the hoses, grudgingly, because you don't mess with safety. I kept the originals and spent another $54 for rubber lines, which I am waiting on from Inline Tube.
The car has 70 Hemi Cuda carbs on it, which I will pull off in 2 weeks, and I am rebuilding the correct 4619/4621 carbs now.
At the transmission I first has to remove the transmission in the car which was from Christine's Hemi roadrunner, and set it aside for her. I then took the Hemi Daytona's original transmission, which had been sitting on the floor in Christine's garage for 45 years, to A&A transmissions for rebuilding and that is where it now sits. No idea of cost on that yet-probably 2 weeks away still.
In the fuel system, I dropped and cleaned the original fuel tank and then re-installed it, sadly breaking my first original part-1 of the tank J bolts-another $7-it was just rusted too much. I also replaced the cracked rubber fuel hoses at the tank and pump with reproduction rubber, and clamps noting that the original grounding strap (which I reinstalled in the exact same location) is sure a lot longer than the one they give you in the reproduction line kits. The fuel pump was evidently bad, so I had it rebuilt by CrossRam connection and reinstalled it, after also cleaning the vapor separator and blowing out all the lines. I also had him rebuild the original distributor.
We removed the old rusted out headers on the car and discarded them, noting that the intake manifold hot air tubes were still in place though, so I will reuse them. I have a set of Hemi exhaust manifolds from a Hemi Cuda-the passenger side is the correct one but I did have to buy a reproduction driver side one. I think I will try to install them before putting the transmission back in so I can put the choke tubes on at that time too.
Part 2
Many year ago Christine had replaced the original, leaking water pump, but she had kept it and gave it to me, so I had it rebuilt. In examining the hoses, I kept them, but they are just too brittle to safely use, so I replaced all the rubber hoses and thermostat at the same time. I also had Glenn Ray clean and repair the radiator and trans cooler-but not to refinish them. No bill yet on them from Bob at Glenn Ray. We were able to extract the broken alternator mounting bolt from the head, and reinstalled everything original in the cooling system, original fan, new belt and the original alternator and the first big test was then failed. I slowly began to pour anti freeze in the radiator, looking and listening for leaks. About 1 and 1/2 gallons in, when I though I was safe, water started pouring out of the passenger side of the block. Luckily, it was just a rusted through core plug, so I have replaced 2 of the 3 on that side, with the worst one still to come. At least the exhaust manifolds are off. At the same time I did replace the old Champion N10Y plugs with new ones, and the non-original plug wires with reproduction ones.
I will send the original old chrome exhaust tips off this week to get re-chromed, and have ordered a set of reproduction pipes from ECS. They do not have the resonators though and I do not know where to get them.
Finally, I have pre-oiled the engine with the special tool down the intermediate shaft hole-probably way more than necessary, but I figure that's ok.
Awaiting now, brake hoses & bleeding, 1 core plug, exhaust manifolds, carbs and transmission. Then cross fingers and attempt to start. We have filmed much of the stuff and I think my son is going to post a video summary online this week. When I am ready to try and start it we will be filming that day too! There is a running bet amongst our close group of 6 guys on which attempt it will start. We first had to agree on what "start" means and the consensus is it had to run for at least 2 seconds. I am betting and hoping on #5 attempt. A couple of the over-confident young guys are saying first try but what do they know. I am willing to buy dinner if they are right though.
Happy New Year everyone. Will post the video link if he does it.
Bob J
Just to give you a ball park but I had my 727 Hemi trans rebuilt at A&A as well, 3 years ago. Total cost for me at that time was $2,400 from them.
Quote from: taxspeaker on January 03, 2021, 02:19:50 PM
Part 2
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I will send the original old chrome exhaust tips off this week to get re-chromed, and have ordered a set of reproduction pipes from ECS. They do not have the resonators though and I do not know where to get them.
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Bob,
I have researched at length the resonators as well for my Hemi PR C500 resto. Right now, Accurate sells resonators, but they do not have the date codes on them, I believe the part number is missing too. It is my understanding ECS is working on the tooling now to get resonators out in the next couple of months.. Gardner sells Resonators as well, but you have to buy their complete system, they won't sell individual components...
I'll call you..
Troy
Bob, I admire your commitment to originality, and leaving things alone if possible.
Well done on the wheel cylinders and brake hoses.
Considering the misery of a potential failure, please give additional consideration to rebuilding the master cylinder.
I thought my original was good to go in my Coronet convertible. Like you, I replaced hoses, wheel cylinders. My MC blew a seal as I pulled out of the garage. I got lucky.
Quote from: 73rallye440magnum on January 03, 2021, 11:13:08 PM
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Considering the misery of a potential failure, please give additional consideration to rebuilding the master cylinder.
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There are numerous places that can rebuild the original master cylinder to brand new condition and not create the dimple you see on many that have gone through a life-cycle of remanufacturing..... Whitepost is one that comes to mind. There is another one a local friend used that did just as good a job and much cheaper..... I will be rebuilding original wheel cylinders for my rear differential..
I trusted The Ram Man for the master modifications to get it up to Nichels Engineering specs. :2thumbs:
http://therammaninc.com/
Thanks guys for advice on master cylinder and for the call Troy. I would prefer to rebuild it myself-although my hands don't work real well I still have the ability, so I will look for a rebuilding kit. Greg, I will use Ramman if it looks too bad inside, thanks for the suggestion. No luck on the resonators for now, but ECS should have some in a month or two.
Bob
He can sleeve it, if required... :coolgleamA:
Regarding hoses, clamps: The hardest thing to find is an NOS or NORS hose with the same internal weave, which is visible on the outside.
Part numbers can be removed with acetone. They can be restamped... :2thumbs:
I'd try want ads for original, rust free original clamps.
Using anything chemical-wise to remove rust on corbin clamps will cause them to fail at some point!
Is the plan to eventually find either NOS, or mint used parts that can't be restored or used as is?
In this case, because of the pedigree of the car, it would be cool to keep it "repop free". :Twocents:
are brake hoses the same on a 440 power drum/drum car?
if so, you're welcome to mine if they are usable
Hi Bob, 04 January 2021
If you can't find a set of original brake hoses and hoses from a 68 Hemi RR with non-power drum brakes will work for you, just say the word and we'll swap with you. The Hemi RR is never going to be original. We'd rather see you get your Daytona as close to 100% original as possible.
Same goes for the Rad hoses. They are soft and pliable. Only have 4405 miles on them. Take your pick of the four we have.
We received good news this evening, the folks accepted our offer for the house we want, after over a year of the sale date pushing out. Finally seeing light a the end of the tunnel; Dena and I should be together again, at home and soon.
Tell Matt we are looking forward to seeing him and his family when we visit you, your family and your crew late spring / early summer.
Hope everyone is healthy, safe and well. You all are in our prayers.
Thanks to everyone for helping Bob with his Daytona; She is special and still means a lot to us and always will. She's probably the only Daytona with a Coyote of her own named Sheba.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine the 426 Hemi Chicks
I highly recommend the brake warehouse in MN if it needs a sleeve, and or rebuild.
Bob,
Keep all the original parts!
You never know when someone will come up with a way to reuse them?
Not long ago I saw an ad for a power steering hose that someone reused the original ends on a different hose!
MJ
Thanks for all the advice guys. The plan is to avoid any and all repops over the long run. Until I am able to find some of those few old needed NOS parts-essentially hoses-I am keeping everything that was removed (right now hoses and brake shoes & spark plugs) and putting on new repop replacements, again with record-keeping notes. Right now it is simply heater/radiator hoses and brake hoses and the 1 gas tank J bolt. I have a couple of inquiries out on the brake hoses. Again, Christine and Ernie thanks for the offers-I have gotten the brake hoses I have "reamed out" but don't feel safe using them and don't want to put used ones on.
Greg, I was not familiar with the acetone thing, but not sure where I would use that anyway on the repops-The search is on for new, old-stock heater hoses, radiator hoses and brake hoses. I did keep and reuse the old Corbin clamps, and have a bunch laying around that I used back in the day so finding ugly, beat-up, crusty clamps has not been a problem-kind of fits the owner too.
Mark (mytur) thanks for the master cylinder advice too-I will rebuild it myself next weekend, hoping for no need of re-sleeving.
Bob
Hey Bob...
I was reflecting back on 69hemidaytona's thread on his car and remember seeing this picture of the modification Creative did to his Daytona's latch tray.. I was curious on what Creative did with your car....
And it's said that today's workers don't care anymore about anyone or anything. It looks like that work ethic started eons ago. (Yes, I get that they were "under the gun" to pump out both winged cars, but...)
I'm amazed at the crudeness of these "special" cars. What a cool piece of auto history, though. Thanks for posting all the uniqueness associated with these awesome winged cars.
Troy
The nose is off the car and under wraps right now locked away in the shop office so i cannot get pictures easily. Now if you want pictures of radiator support, nose support, inner front fenders I have the rare opportunity to get them!
Bob
Quote from: taxspeaker on January 06, 2021, 08:44:48 PM
Troy
The nose is off the car and under wraps right now locked away in the shop office so i cannot get pictures easily. Now if you want pictures of radiator support, nose support, inner front fenders I have the rare opportunity to get them!
Bob
I was curious how they did the tranny cooling line routing on your car compared to 69hemidaytona's Hemi Daytona, did that cut a hols in the latch tray like his.....
I too am curious as I have not seen the "notch" like in 69hemidaytona's car, but I have seen the latch tray bent up to clear over the cooler line. What I am also interested in is how much the welded sheet metal latch support (the one welded to upper road yoke) is actually welded. The pic on first page of this thread seems to indicate that this car not welded on drivers side (no bolt either :shruggy: but pic is only shows a few inches of this piece). As most know this piece is welded from underneath but since the cooler is in the way, many of the hemi auto daytonas were only welded up from the bottom on the passenger half of the yoke and untouched above cooler, except for a couple cars that I have seen where it is vertically bolted to yoke on drivers side (black hemi auto in Alberta and the car at BJ's showroom in Phoenix come to mind). If you remember on 69hemidaytona's car it is welded on top on the drivers side above the cooler (not sure if creative did that or dealer or even if there was changeover during run of the 34ish hemi-autos :shruggy:) definitely a hemi-auto "head-scratcher" on these wing cars.
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 07, 2021, 06:53:10 AM
Quote from: taxspeaker on January 06, 2021, 08:44:48 PM
Troy
The nose is off the car and under wraps right now locked away in the shop office so i cannot get pictures easily. Now if you want pictures of radiator support, nose support, inner front fenders I have the rare opportunity to get them!
Bob
I was curious how they did the tranny cooling line routing on your car compared to 69hemidaytona's Hemi Daytona, did that cut a hols in the latch tray like his.....
English please. "did that cut a hols in the latch tray like his...."
Quote from: ACUDANUT on January 10, 2021, 11:51:32 PM
English please. "did that cut a hols in the latch tray like his...."
Hi Lady Cuda, 11 January 2021
There's a very simple explanation called a "Typo" or in this case "Typos."
"did that cut a hols in the latch tray like his...."The first is "that" should be "they." If you look at your keyboard, the "Y" key is just to the right of the "T" key. That's one of my most recurring typos, The next typo is "hols," It has an "S" where the "E" should be making it "hole." This is another very common error I make.
Remember, you're a lady, and ladies have thinner fingers than men. Men have a more difficult time hitting the correct key every time. You being a lady, I'm sure you have flawless typing. Men on the other hand, have a tougher time navigating the keyboard.
Had I not gone back and edited this prior to posting it, it would have been a disaster; there were at least 7 typos. Have a wonderful day young lady.
Best Always,
Christine
Here's pictures of latch tray (no cutout) and 3 angles of trans cooler. Cooler brackets are welded to yoke front and bolted to trans cooler. Got 2 of our 3 IT guys out with Covid now, so not much time for more.
Bob
Thanks Bob, great pics. Two battery cooling holes, IIRC that is the earlier version before Chrysler switched (sometime during 69 model run) to 70 style single hole, having issues posting so I will email you a pic of the car at the BJ Phoenix showroom ( Nelson's I believe?)
Quote(not sure if creative did that or dealer or even if there was changeover during run of the 34ish hemi-autos :shruggy:) definitely a hemi-auto "head-scratcher" on these wing cars.
there were ONLY
20-22 HEMI automatic Daytonas built :Twocents:
here's the current latch tray on the Radke/Lembeck HEMI automatic Daytona - anyone know if there is any nose damage history that would suggest it has been changed?
Quote from: 6bblgt on January 11, 2021, 04:57:33 PM
... anyone know if there is any nose damage history that would suggest it has been changed?
Bob's latch tray doesn't seem to be cut up. I guess it depended on the tech who worked on the conversion that day...... Not sure if they took it upon themselves to bend the original line to reroute it through the opening groove on the side.. That's what I did on my conversion...
I was able to rebuild the master cylinder without sleeving it and with lots of patient, gentle honing. I then put it on last night and spent the next 45 minutes carefully, thoroughly and repetitively bleeding the entire system and now the brakes are excellent. The bad news is my wife now has another 45 minutes of Hemi Daytona seat time than me. No cost except time.
I then removed Christine's old Hemi road runner carbs that she had left on the car and set them aside for her. Then I installed the oh-so-carefully rebuilt 4619 and 4621 carbs and all of the linkage in the exact original spots. In the attached pictures if you look carefully you will see that there is a slight amount of original orange overspray on the carb studs. I did have to replace the PCV hose but everything else is correct. As a side note, I now have in the shop a pair of 70 Hemi Cuda original carbs with 6,000 miles on them (courtesy of Christine), a pair of Hemi roadrunner original carbs (going back to Christine), an extra 4619 and 4621 Hemi daytona carbs that I rebuilt in case I could not get the above ones right, and 2 original 440 daytona carbs. Pronanly a Superbird carb in there too. My son says when I die he is going to retire early from the auction proceeds of a lifetime of accumulating these rare parts by pure luck.
Today I took the horn relay off, and very carefully disassembled it and found lots of corrosion and "erosion" inside the housing where apparently water collected. I carefully cleaned all corrosion, re-soldered the fittings and re-assembled it and now the horns work too-another careful step towards rebuilding original stuff, not replacing it. The only non-working electrical item now is the radio, which is way down my list. Again, no cost but time-maybe 45 minutes from off, rebuild, on and test. On the back of the starter relay there is a bit of orange paint where it was apparently re-installed by Creative Industries while the paint was wet.
I am now ready to attack the vacuum lines and fittings. It looks like the rear 3-prong vacuum fitting was plugged with solder in the dim annals of time. Not sure if that was original or not-I thought the Hemi's in 1969 had the green vacuum thing mounted on the manifold to split to the distributor and some other unknown area. Christine do you remember if this one had that fitting-I thought you mentioned you had it somewhere but I could very easily be confused on that and the green vacuum splitter with other years and cars. Does anyone have a picture of the correct line routing and fittings on a 69 automatic Hemi?
While researching the vacuum fittings we are getting very close to ignition now and working on:
1. We need to flush the block-it has got a lot of gunk in it and we need a warm day. Then we can also finish the freeze plugs up.
2. At that point we will install the steel choke/exhaust tubes. We are cleaning up the threads in the old passenger side exhaust manifold Christine left for me after laboriously getting the 1 old threaded fitting out. I have never done the choke heat lines but I believe they will need to be dropped down from above rather than go up from below. Then we will install a new butterfly valve kit and the exhaust manifolds. The old intake manifold heat tubes are still on the engine and just need a bit of clean up to attach to the exhaust and pipes.
3. Re-install the transmission, starter and linkage.
4. Check, re-check and re-check all hoses, belts and tightness many times then hope fervently and hit the key. If the transmission is done I am still looking 3-4 weeks to starting attempts.
Thanks
Bob
Quote from: taxspeaker on January 17, 2021, 06:53:22 PM
I am now ready to attack the vacuum lines and fittings. It looks like the rear 3-prong vacuum fitting was plugged with solder in the dim annals of time. Not sure if that was original or not-I thought the Hemi's in 1969 had the green vacuum thing mounted on the manifold to split to the distributor and some other unknown area. Christine do you remember if this one had that fitting-I thought you mentioned you had it somewhere but I could very easily be confused on that and the green vacuum splitter with other years and cars. Does anyone have a picture of the correct line routing and fittings on a 69 automatic Hemi?
Could you post a picture of the vacuum fitting at the back center of the intake? I believe it is a 3 prong fitting as you say. Center large one goes to the power brake booster I think. The left side small one goes to the left side of the green vacuum control. The right side nipple on the green unit goes to the vacuum advance on the distributor. The center nipple of the green unit goes to a nipple connection on the right front of the rear carburetor. Now back to the 3 prong intake fitting. The right side small fitting hooks to the vacuum hose for the headlight actuators. Hope your 3 prong intake fitting is usable as I believe these can be quite hard to find. I have been trying to locate one for my Hemi RT. I believe I may have found a solution to that problem however. They reproduce them but they are not correct pertaining to at least one feature. My understanding is they were only used on Charger RT'S & Daytona's with power brakes and a 426 Hemi. 440 cars did not get the green control so did not need that fitting connection. Any Charger or Daytona without power brakes did not need that hook up either. So had to have 426 Hemi, power brakes, be a Charger & in 68 or 69 only.
:Twocents: :Twocents:
Quote from: taxspeaker on January 17, 2021, 06:53:22 PM
"Christine do you remember if this one had that fitting-I thought you mentioned you had it somewhere but I could very easily be confused on that and the green vacuum splitter with other years and cars. Does anyone have a picture of the correct line routing and fittings on a 69 automatic Hemi?"
Thanks
Bob
Hi Bob, 18 January 2021
I have the green Gizmo, two of them to be exact, one belongs to the 68 Hemi RR and the other belongs to the Daytona. I think I remember the fitting that is like a little tree that threads into the passenger side at the rear of the intake manifold cylinder 8 intake runner; left side when looking at the engine from the front of the car.
I don't think I did anything with that vacuum port tree on the Daytona. I removed the PCV valve and cut a short piece of hose, plugged one end and slipped the other on the large vacuum port on the rear carb. The vacuum advance fitting should be on the left front of the front carb when viewed from the front of the car. I don't remember what the three port green gizmo does or what it was for.
The RR had the green Gizmo, though I don't know its real purpose. Neither the RR or SB have PB or PS. If the RR had the little tree fitting, I took it off and plugged the threaded hole with a threaded plug. The 68 Hemi was for racing so lots of gov mandated stuff was removed. Is that fitting missing on your Daytona? If it is and I find one in all the Mopar stuff, I'll send it to you.
I have been busy here in Texas trying to pack everything for our move back home to Phoenix. The house we have been trying to buy for 2 years is now under contract and our expected closing is the 29th of this month. We have done everything, just waiting for Escrow and Title to clear. The owners have moved out and we are waiting so we can have someone come in and remediate the odor from their cigarette smoke. Dena is in Phoenix taking care of things on that end. She was in the house yesterday to check on a few things, about 5 min in toto, she came out smelling like an ashtray. Can't believe people still smoke.
I have a number of items that I am sending you, been hoping to find the last two, the PCV valve and its housing and the Accel coil that was on the Daytona when we bought her in 72. So far no luck. You have been here and did see some of what is stacked up here. This is more of a warehouse than a house for living. We have a storage container from "Cool Box" in the driveway. It's 20' L x 8' W x 8' H, 1280 Cubic foot. Once it's loaded, we'll call them and they'll take it to Phoenix and hold it there until we are ready. Gotta get that smoke smell out before moving in. We want the pups to be happy with their new home. I'll try to get the stuff we have for you on its way to you this week. I'm sure the PCV stuff will show up during the repacking. We bought 160+ boxes and had a few from earlier.
Have one question for you: Did the original PS high pressure hose work or did you have to replace it? That's our question of the week.
Hope this info helps. Please take care and tell your son and Matt we said hello and hope they and all of you are safe and healthy.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
Starter really would have still been installed on firewall when it was at Creative. No reason for it to have been removed there. The orange paint on it, is purely over spray from them painting the front fenders and hood while they are installed on the car.
Hi, I am a newb here but just wanted to be able to have my first post be in this awesome thread. I have been a member of many awesome message boards and this one seems to have some incredible people in it too. I usually spend more time reading on a board before posting but I am anxiously awaiting the first key bump of this very rare automobile now.
I'll shut up for now and get back to reading. Thanks for letting me join. Tommy.
"Have one question for you: Did the original PS high pressure hose work or did you have to replace it? That's our question of the week"
Didn't the hemi-engines have a line cooler to the ps pump. ? WHY ??
Two comments on the power steering hose. Yes it worked AFTER we put in a new O-Ring. And I do have a brand new, old-stock Chrysler original 69 Hemi Daytona one on the shelf. There is not a power steering cooler on this one, haven't seen one on the other few Hemi Daytonas either CudaNut. I will get a picture of the 3-prong vacuum fitting Wednesday when I go back to the shop and post it.
Dan, as always I defer to your knowledge of the assembly on these, thanks. Next time you come down take some more pictures-we are hoping to push it outside Wednesday and flush the block-you can help push the goop out-wear a raincoat.
Cygnus-welcome, thanks for commenting. If you are in the central US stop by and see the wings!
Bob
Quote from: ACUDANUT on January 18, 2021, 02:16:06 PM
"Have one question for you: Did the original PS high pressure hose work or did you have to replace it? That's our question of the week"
Didn't the hemi-engines have a line cooler to the ps pump. ? WHY ??
Hi Miss Cuda, 18 January 2021
When you see Bob's photos of his Hemi Daytona's PS High Pressure hose, you will see the hose has some cooling capacity due to the twists and turns of the steel portion of the line. My thinking is they did intend for the line to provide a bit of cooling. I have seen this method used on other makes, Ford readily coming to mind.
Take care Miss Cuda.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
The Hemi's use a unique fitting on the box as well as a stupid expensive (if you can find one) hose.
Quote from: taxspeaker on January 18, 2021, 04:27:54 PM
... There is not a power steering cooler on this one, haven't seen one on the other few Hemi Daytonas either CudaNut. I will get a picture of the 3-prong vacuum fitting Wednesday when I go back to the shop and post it.
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I don't think there was a cooler on the Federal pump used on the 69 Hemi auto cars, even with the 4.10 Dana (was there ever a 4.10 Dana Daytona with a 426 Hemi).
the Radke/Lembeck F6 automatic engine compartment pictured above is a 4.10 Daytona & there is a sheet out there for a probable Dead & Gone white HEMI Daytona that was auto/4.10 - I'm sure there were others
& here's a picture of the reproduction #2944031 intake vacuum "T" - how does it differ from the factory piece?
Quote from: taxspeaker on January 18, 2021, 04:27:54 PM
Two comments on the power steering hose. Yes it worked AFTER we put in a new O-Ring. And I do have a brand new, old-stock Chrysler original 69 Hemi Daytona one on the shelf. There is not a power steering cooler on this one, haven't seen one on the other few Hemi Daytonas either CudaNut. I will get a picture of the 3-prong vacuum fitting Wednesday when I go back to the shop and post it.
Dan, as always I defer to your knowledge of the assembly on these, thanks. Next time you come down take some more pictures-we are hoping to push it outside Wednesday and flush the block-you can help push the goop out-wear a raincoat.
Cygnus-welcome, thanks for commenting. If you are in the central US stop by and see the wings!
Bob
If you were doing the work on a weekend, I probably would make the drive down. Tough to make it during the week when I work on north side of Indy, and then to make it your direction. Not impossible but difficult.
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 19, 2021, 03:55:52 PM
Quote from: taxspeaker on January 18, 2021, 04:27:54 PM
... There is not a power steering cooler on this one, haven't seen one on the other few Hemi Daytonas either CudaNut. I will get a picture of the 3-prong vacuum fitting Wednesday when I go back to the shop and post it.
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I don't think there was a cooler on the Federal pump used on the 69 Hemi auto cars, even with the 4.10 Dana (was there ever a 4.10 Dana Daytona with a 426 Hemi).
My understanding is the coolers were never used with the Federal Pumps. Only ever seen the coolers on the Saginaw pumps. And all Hemi's used the Federal pump correct? :Twocents:
Quote from: 6bblgt on January 19, 2021, 04:13:54 PM
& here's a picture of the reproduction #2944031 intake vacuum "T" - how does it differ from the factory piece?
The length of the hex part of the fitting is longer on the originals. Compare the length from the top of the "tree" branches up towards center nipple. Small difference but details are what makes things correct. It would be a little awkward to tighten one of the reproductions.
Quote from: Davtona on January 19, 2021, 09:01:17 PM
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My understanding is the coolers were never used with the Federal Pumps. Only ever seen the coolers on the Saginaw pumps. And all Hemi's used the Federal pump correct? :Twocents:
I believe the 340+6 T/As and AARs had the coolers and they all had the Federal pumps..
I believe the 340+6 T/As and AARs had the coolers and they all had the Federal pumps..
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My info shows you to be correct about the T/As and AARs. Federal = coolers. My T/A, by the way, does have the cooler. All 340-6 bbl came with at least a 3.55 rear end, which called for the PS cooler. A thread on the E-Body site states the pump and cooler were the same, but the pulley and brackets were different for hemi cars.
T vacuum fitting picture attached. 1 goes to power brake booster, 1 to headlights, 1 is stopped up if you look closely. I will pull it when I get the green vacuum thing put back on the intake manifold and see what the story is.
The 2nd picture is some great Mopar porn. I got the front end back together tonight enough to roll the car outside tomorrow and flush the block. 50 year old wheels, tires and hubcaps clean up really well!
Quote from: Sgt Superbird on January 20, 2021, 01:50:33 PM
I believe the 340+6 T/As and AARs had the coolers and they all had the Federal pumps..
My info shows you to be correct about the T/As and AARs. Federal = coolers. My T/A, by the way, does have the cooler. All 340-6 bbl came with at least a 3.55 rear end, which called for the PS cooler. A thread on the E-Body site states the pump and cooler were the same, but the pulley and brackets were different for hemi cars.
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Quote from: hemi68charger on January 20, 2021, 10:18:49 AM
Quote from: Davtona on January 19, 2021, 09:01:17 PM
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My understanding is the coolers were never used with the Federal Pumps. Only ever seen the coolers on the Saginaw pumps. And all Hemi's used the Federal pump correct? :Twocents:
I believe the 340+6 T/As and AARs had the coolers and they all had the Federal pumps..
i'm far from an expert , I always thought that it was down to the axle ratio & or axle performance packages, anything over 3.23 , if your car got a power steering cooler :shruggy: I await to be corrected , ive seen hemis with federal pumps & a cooler , ive not seen a unrestored car though although that don't mean much :shruggy:
Quote from: taxspeaker on January 20, 2021, 08:27:19 PM
T vacuum fitting picture attached. 1 goes to power brake booster, 1 to headlights, 1 is stopped up if you look closely. I will pull it when I get the green vacuum thing put back on the intake manifold and see what the story is.
The 2nd picture is some great Mopar porn. I got the front end back together tonight enough to roll the car outside tomorrow and flush the block. 50 year old wheels, tires and hubcaps clean up really well!
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
I've yet to see a p/s cooler on an unrestored '69 Hemicar - all of which would have had the Federal pump; nor have I seen one in a vintage photograph of the same, either. On top of that, the 1969 factory engineering graphics do not show a cooler.
They may indeed have used coolers w/ Federal p/s pumps in later years - but the '69 model year didn't use them anyway. I think 1968 is the same, but I'm less certain about that year than I am about 1969.
:Twocents:
What an amazingly cool and ongoing story! Thanks for sharing all the details. I think it would make for a great movie... I'd buy the DVD! :popcrn:
I agree with Geno.
My '69 Hemi X survivor doesn't have one - and it's a 4:10
Same for my '69 RR.
And I've never seen one on any good, original cars.
Engine block flushed and putting freeze plugs in today. Sunny and 40 degrees-a great day to lay in the gushing rust water. The reward was lighting up its Hemi Superbird brother and getting the first picture side by side in the sun.
As always, 2 steps forward means 3 steps back. The transmission has been delayed at A&A transmissions because shop came down with Covid so 6 more weeks on it. That will give me time to fix the bad pitman arm I found when putting the wheels on, the radio and work more slowly on the exhaust, so starting the engine will still be delayed a bit longer I guess.
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hemigeno on January 20, 2021, 10:52:20 PM
I've yet to see a p/s cooler on an unrestored '69 Hemicar - all of which would have had the Federal pump; nor have I seen one in a vintage photograph of the same, either. On top of that, the 1969 factory engineering graphics do not show a cooler.
:Twocents:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 21, 2021, 07:46:20 AM
I agree with Geno.
My '69 Hemi X survivor doesn't have one - and it's a 4:10
Same for my '69 RR.
And I've never seen one on any good, original cars.
X3 :2thumbs:
Thanks Geno, Yes 69 B Body was what I was referring to. Was not trying to speak for all years and models.
Taxspeaker thanks for posting pic of the vacuum fitting. Verifies what I thought it should look like. Different hex length from the reproductions also. Looks like its orientated front to back. I was thinking it would be side to side. Interesting. :scratchchin:
Hi Bob, 21 January 2021
Good news, the green gizmo, and a few other trinkets will be arriving Sunday 24 January 2021. There's an additional item, or I should be more exact, four items, all the same. I think you'll figure it out as soon as you remove them from the Zip-Lock bag they are in.
As usual, the box is cemented so careful opening it. There's a large cardboard item in there. It's two thick pieces taped together. Between them is an envelope containing the Daytona's Original EPA sticker and the last registration card for the 70 Hemi Cuda we sold in 1975.
If you could locate the engine, you may find your original 2 Carter AFB's. Here's the VIN for the Cuda, maybe someone knows where it resides: B S 2 3 R 0 B 1 7 2 7 6 5 (added spaces to make it easier to read).
As soon as we find the PCV and its housing, they'll be on their way.
She sure looks good sitting there with her brother. We'd love to hear them sitting there with engines running. There's nothing that can hold a candle to a Hemi. Looking forward to seeing you, all the folks and my most favorite ride in the world.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Wish I had a bunch of good news here, but pretty much no news. First, I did get the green plastic manifold vacuum fitting (thanks Christine for finding it and sending it along with the unexpected surprise) and related hoses installed, and I pulled the radio and tested and repaired it in house and reinstalled it as a working unit again. Second, Mark at Magnum re-installed the butterfly valve in the old exhaust manifold and it is ready to go back on next week. Then, I got the original chrome exhaust tips back from the chrome plater and they are ready to go on as are all the other parts-I just can't do anything because of 2 component repair shops.
Everything else is on hold-I had to pull the radiator out and send it back because it still leaked and I haven't heard a word from them since then-3 weeks ago. The transmission is now pushing 4 months and it is still not back and also no phone calls. Both of these vendors are supposed to be the best according to everyone but the lack of phone calls and follow through is disappointing. Starting the car by the end of February is no longer possible because of this. Now I am hoping to get it started by mid-April. Enough of the complaining though, time for some good news.
The good news. The car has been accepted into the survivor tent at Carlisle, PA at the Chrysler Nationals in July. They have requested that I wash the car, so I guess the dust will come off, but no electric buffers or anything, just a gentle hand wash. I have never been to Carlisle or Columbus, so this year will be a great trip for me and my wife, staying at the Fairfield Inn Thurs-Sun. If you go please stop and look at the car-there are plenty of old fat bald guys so you can pass by me, but not unrestored Hemi Daytona's. I think I am taking the psychedelic Hemi Superbird too.
Maybe I can post a mechanical progress report in 2 weeks-I keep hoping for a radiator or transmission so we can keep moving forward.
Bob
Side picture from the night we got back with the car in Indiana just to keep things going
I'd love to go to Carlisle one of these days!
damn it, Bob, you just gave me a reason to go back to Carlisle.
Hope to see you again at Carlisle.. I think I really need to make my bucket-list happen.. There have been a rash of mopar-work related friends pass away recently and I DO NOT want any regrets in missing Carlisle......
Quote from: taxspeaker on February 24, 2021, 10:12:33 PM
Wish I had a bunch of good news here, but pretty much no news. First, I did get the green plastic manifold vacuum fitting (thanks Christine for finding it and sending it along with the unexpected surprise) and related hoses installed,
Maybe I can post a mechanical progress report in 2 weeks-I keep hoping for a radiator or transmission so we can keep moving forward.
Bob
Here is the green vacuum can on my survivor. I believe it is only a 4-speed thing. There is orange paint on the bracket, by the bolts to the intake - as this was installed (and mostly masked/shielded) when the engine was painted.
Thanks Maxwell and thanks for the pic-1st good one I have seen. John Kunkel over on Moparts says:
The green valve was also used on the '68 Hemi, both standard and automatic.
It has three nipples, one goes to manifold vacuum, one to the rear carb timed port and the other to the distributor. In normal operation the valve lets the vacuum advance work as usual but under the high vacuum of deceleration it routes full manifold vacuum to the distributor. Full advance during deceleration helps clean up emissions.
Several others also say used for automatics and the paint on the mounting pad matches to the millimeter the paint lines on the intake for the automatic. So, I think it was on automatic ones as well, at least for 69.
Bob
Quote from: taxspeaker on February 25, 2021, 03:48:25 PM
...So, I think it was on automatic ones as well, at least for 69.
Bob
It was.. Our friend Phil's Hemi Daytona, which is a 727 car, has it...
Quote from: taxspeaker on February 25, 2021, 03:48:25 PM
Thanks Maxwell and thanks for the pic-1st good one I have seen. John Kunkel over on Moparts says:
The green valve was also used on the '68 Hemi, both standard and automatic.
It has three nipples, one goes to manifold vacuum, one to the rear carb timed port and the other to the distributor. In normal operation the valve lets the vacuum advance work as usual but under the high vacuum of deceleration it routes full manifold vacuum to the distributor. Full advance during deceleration helps clean up emissions.
Several others also say used for automatics and the paint on the mounting pad matches to the millimeter the paint lines on the intake for the automatic. So, I think it was on automatic ones as well, at least for 69.
Bob
Hi Bob, 25 February 2021
Glad to see you are back; hope you and your family are all well, rested and tanned.
Our 68 Hemi Auto Tran RR has / had the Green Gizmo. It was one of the first things we removed from the RR back in 68. Still have it.
We have seen numerous photos of MOPAR Hemi's over the years. All those we have seen have black Plug Wires. We bought our RR new from Westside Chrysler Plymouth, Dealer Stock, in Akron Ohio April 1968. It had Red Silicone wires on it the first time we saw it, which was the day we bought her. The RR had only been on the lot a couple days. Still have them.
The ones that were on your Hemi Daytona were the racing versions, SS wire, thicker silicone and red.
We still haven't found the PCV and its housing. The main reason is we have been packing 42 years of accumulated stuff, auto parts, tools, and things that should never have been bought, hindsight being 20/20.
Haven't really made a dent in the garage. Been boxing the stuff in the house and loading it into a Cool Box 20 foot container. Getting the impression it won't hold everything. If the PCV and housing are here, we will find them and send them to you.
One last item. I believe our 69 440-Six Pack SB AT also had a green gizmo. If we find one more then that will be an affirmative.
Hope all your family, employees and friends are safe and healthy. Please take care.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, 426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: taxspeaker on February 25, 2021, 03:48:25 PM
Thanks Maxwell and thanks for the pic-1st good one I have seen. John Kunkel over on Moparts says:
The green valve was also used on the '68 Hemi, both standard and automatic.
It has three nipples, one goes to manifold vacuum, one to the rear carb timed port and the other to the distributor. In normal operation the valve lets the vacuum advance work as usual but under the high vacuum of deceleration it routes full manifold vacuum to the distributor. Full advance during deceleration helps clean up emissions.
Several others also say used for automatics and the paint on the mounting pad matches to the millimeter the paint lines on the intake for the automatic. So, I think it was on automatic ones as well, at least for 69.
Bob
Happy to help. I didn't want to paint myself into a corner - which is why I said "I believe it was on 4-speeds" - Lol. Don't go by my valve covers on breather cap and PCV locations. This is an Air Grabber equipped car. These were reversed on the Dodge Chrome Dome air cleaner equipped Hemi's.
Just an FYI. The green can was also used on some slant 6's. The ones you usually see for sale have the part number for slant 6. The mounting bracket is different than the Hemi one. Scott at Harms Auto sells the Hemi bracket. Never used on any 440-6.
TOMORROW IS STARTING DAY!
On March 3 we got the radiator back and reinstalled it with Zerex antifreeze and Water Wetter. I had it boiled and checked for leaks and repaired, but did not repaint it or any cosmetics-sticking with the original plan. There are no leaks now and we hooked up the transmission lines as well. While we were at it I replaced the old broken Pitman arm-I was able to find an NOS one.
On March 6 Dave Wise came and inspected the car from top to bottom to verify originality. No issues other than non-original reproduction hoses and belts. The 50 year old Goodyear red stripe tires blew him away (I have the car just touching the floor from the lift). He did advise me not to wash the car. I also re-installed the rebuilt alternator and power steering pumps-again I had the internals rebuilt but did not change the external appearance or shiny them up or anything, but you don't mess with electronics, brakes or cooling for safety. This car won't be driven much but it needs to be safe while also unrestored.
On March 8 we reinstalled the A&A rebuilt transmission and the original driveshaft. Like everything else we did nothing to the external case and they were able to avoid dipping it or anything. The inside of the transmission had a number of issues so I am glad we did since it is also original to the car. I reinstalled the original linkage, neutral start switch, wiring harness, speedometer and torque converter at this time too. We then reinstalled the 50 year old passenger exhaust manifold with the new butterfly valve and hooked up 1 of the original carburetor heat tubes with a new gasket.
On March 9 (today) we reinstalled the choke tubes and they were every bit a pain in the rear as everyone describes-more time here than on the transmission! We then jacked up the driver side of the engine and re-installed the 50 year old driver exhaust manifold. I then installed the starter and did a check on all items, front to back, for torque, tightening, leaks, proximity to exhaust, proper routing etc. Finally I reinstalled the power steering hose (original-just needed O-ring) and the battery tray and original hold down with wingnuts and grabbed a Mopar reproduction battery out of the Alaska Highway Superbird. We adjusted a couple of things like the oil dipstick (which had not been in the car for 50 years), the transmission fill tube O-Ring which I had forgotten to replace, and the transmission linkage. Every single thing Christine told me about the car was correct and again I thank you Christine.
By now my son and buddies had gone home for the day with the promise I would not try to start it until they setup a bunch of cameras tomorrow. My old, fat self agreed it was time to limp home, and I left the shop 30 minutes ago. When I say "we" in any of these discussions I mean me, my buddies Mike and Matt (who both were at the 50th reunion with me) and my son Ryan-this is a true family/friend deal and everyone helps. Tomorrow, right after lunch we are going to put 5 gallons of racing fuel in the tank, pour a bit in the carburetor, cross our fingers, turn on the cameras and see if it starts. I did "blip" the starter before I left just to make sure electrical and other things were ok. I also rechecked the functionality of the radio, wipers, fan, etc and unhooked the battery for the night. If it does start, and I fully believe it will, I will then install the exhaust and it will be ready for the nose to go back on for the first time in 46 years. I have asked Ryan if we could live stream the starting attempt at 1PM eastern time and he will make it happen. My email is taxspeaker@gmail.com and if you want to watch email me and I will get you the YouTube or whatever log in information he needs to send. Better yet, just email him directly at RyanJ@taxspeaker.com
Good luck! Fingers crossed for you! You are smart not to rush it, take your time and do it right. :cheers:
Hi Bob, 10 March 2021
Wishing you and everyone involved a great day and a Successful: "First Start Of Your Hemi Daytona Engine Day."
We're sure you have thought of this but incase someone else reading this thread is thinking of doing a "First Start", please have more than one large Co2 Fire Extinguisher handy. Do not use a dry chemical extinguisher on an engine unless it's the last resort available. Also have the Air Cleaner on with the filter, Dome and wing nuts tightened.
Looking forward to watching the video and hearing that wonderful Hemi sound from our most favorite car in all the world.
Thanks For Adopting Her And Doing All That You Have Done For Her And Will Do In The Future.
God Bless You All.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine
Link to live starting attempt at 1pm eastern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5I8x_JOAiY
Cool beans Bob !! :2thumbs: :yesnod:
dumping way too much gas in it guys!..just a little goes a long ways..
Did not start is the bad news and we shut off. Good news is timing niw adjusted and car is running and running well. Need to adjust timing some more. Video link will post in an hour or so starting and running!
excellent news
Link to first start
https://taxondemand.s3.amazonaws.com/2021/First+start.mp4
Second link is moving under its own power-1 of the steel transmission lines had a chafing hole we did not know about-easy fix tomorrow
https://taxondemand.s3.amazonaws.com/2021/MovingUnderItsOwnPower.mp4
excellent!.... give her some more advanced timing and she will sing!
Congrats Bob, what an exciting milestone! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Congratulations Bob, 10 March 2021
Wow, Brought tears of joy to our eyes. In our opinion, you have the best stock 426 Mopar Hemi in existence. She never failed us, was fast and as smooth running as one could ever hope for.
The 41 years she sat here in our garage she was waiting for you to come and adopt her. We had numerous offers over the years, all turned down. In 06 we turned down a $1mil offer for the three cars because we didn't like or trust the potential buyer.
Seeing and hearing her run again, reaffirms our decision to accept your offer to adopt her 24 October 2020. There is no doubt in our minds that we collectively made the correct decision. She will never disappoint you; She is the Best of the Best and so are You.
God Bless You and everyone involved. Many Thanks for reawakening Her and giving her a new chance to thrill the many fans of the wing car world.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks
Awesome, awesome, awesome.
Have been impatiently following.
Not my business nor am pressuring, would be neat if Christine and Dena can enjoy the car again when safely on the road.
CHEERS! :cheers:
Quote from: 73rallye440magnum on March 10, 2021, 08:47:16 PM
Awesome, awesome, awesome.
Have been impatiently following.
Not my business nor am pressuring, would be neat if Christine and Dena can enjoy the car again when safely on the road.
CHEERS! :cheers:
Hi 73rallye, 10 March 2021
We appreciate your comments and concerns; thank you very much.
Bob now belongs to her, yes, she owns him just as she owned us; we love seeing him work on her and bringing her back to life as the only Unrestored Original 426 Hemi Daytona. She is unique and an absolute rare jewel. We plan to visit Bob, his family, employees, friends and his wing cars late spring or early summer.
Knowing she is safe, has a loving and attentive parent and family, has brought us an immense amount of satisfaction and joy. We had the honor and pleasure of owning her for 48 years. We will see her again and we will get to visit with our great new friend Bob. What more could anyone hope for. Thanks Bob, see you all while it's warm up thataway.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
:popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs:
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Quick update:
Today we fixed the transmission line leak (minor), installed the rest of the exhaust with resonators and the original chrome tailpipe extensions, refilled the transmission and drove around the lot for 20 minutes without leaks or problems! All gauges work and read fine, no overheating, 40 pounds of oil pressure at idle, shifts great, the radio works but must have some transistor because we found no English language AM radio stations.
All that is left at my end is tomorrow to fine tune the timing and recheck all the fluids.
That leaves the re-installation of the nose cone. After doing it once on my white Superbird my son flat out refused to do it again, so I have persuaded Mark Sekula to come down and mount it with our help. All the parts are there and marked and awaiting him. Christine even had the original headlights which Dave Wise told me are impossible to find and not to clean them because the markings come off.
I have scheduled the Daytona (as soon as the nose is back on) for 3 car shows this year:
Moparfest at the Battleships on April 24th in Mobile Alabama. I did this show 2 years ago and it is fantastic-Big Easy Mopars puts it on and they do a great job, the USS Alabama is incredible and the seafood options are awesome. I will also be taking the Purple Hemi Superbird, and the LimeLight Green Superbird. Staying at Courtyard Mobile/Daphne Eastern Shore if anyone else is.
Chrysler Nationals. The car has been accepted into the survivor tent for Friday-Sunday July 9-11. We will also be taking the Purple Hemi Superbird which has been accepted into one of the other indoor things. Staying at Fairfield Inn & Suites in Carlisle if anyone else is.
MCACN Chicago-the car has been accepted into the Barn Find. We will also debut our newly restored yellow 6-pack Superbird.
Congrats Bob! :cheers:
Bob,
You have to be the most active AERO owner out there now!
Congrats on getting that survivor time capsule running!
If you find that any of those original head lights don't work I have a stash of originals!
Yes, the black ink originally applied in early 1969 is now just mere black powder!
MJ
Wow John that's a retirement account sitting on that blanket.
Thanks-hope to see you at Carlisle.
Bob
Quote from: taxspeaker on March 11, 2021, 04:34:45 PM
Quick update:
Today we fixed the transmission line leak (minor), installed the rest of the exhaust with resonators and the original chrome tailpipe extensions, refilled the transmission and drove around the lot for 20 minutes without leaks or problems! All gauges work and read fine, no overheating, 40 pounds of oil pressure at idle, shifts great, the radio works but must have some transistor because we found no English language AM radio stations.
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Hi Bob, 11 March 2021
We think your Daytona's radio must still be tuned to Akron stations. A different dialect of broken Kinglish, commonly known as Gibberlish, is spoken up thataway.
That is the most likely reason because we don't remember ever turning that radio on during the 41 years it was here.
If you find a pre-tuned station that has folks speaking Spanglish then you'll know the radio must have been on while here in Tejas . . . . ah, I mean Texas.
Now, where's the video of your Daytona tooling around the parking lot? Came back here today just to see it cruising around.
One last item: Christine took the nose off the Daytona by herself in 1979. She wouldn't attempt either task now without lots of help. She was 39 when she removed it: heck, now, she's not sure she remembers which end it goes on.
Take Care Amigo.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
I've been following this thread with interest from the beginning without commenting. I just wanted to say that it pleases me that it all turned out good and all parties involved are happy. It made me smile to see the video of the car moving.
Teaser of car driving in office lot. The guys said they did not get good good sound so will work on another video for that. Timing is now where it should be, adjusted secondary carb linkage a bit, but drove it on the street for 1st time in 45 years to get here. Shifts fine. I notice a bit of fuel seepage from top hose at top of vapor separator-very small thing to fix, and I may need to adjust carb linkage a bit more, but it is now mechanically back to where it needs to be and ready for the nose.
https://taxondemand.s3.amazonaws.com/2021/DaytonaParkingLot1.mp4
Now I need to make another trip down to check the car out again. Glad to hear that Mr. Wise, had the same things to say about the originality of the car. It was a very nice car when I looked at it.
Nice soundtrack there Bob..... :2thumbs:
Hi Bob, 12 March 2021
Fantastic! She's looking better each time we see her. Love that license Plate. Absolutely fitting for her; she is the Holy Grail of the Wing Cars and all Mopars.
Thanks for posting the video. We do know she sounds great but we really want to hear her again. It's been a long time since we have heard that Big Bad Ass Hemi Emit the Unique Sounds She Produces.
Still remember the day we first laid eyes upon her in summer 1972; bought her on the spot.
Thank you for taking her under your wing. She looks happy and will even look more so once her Proboscis has been reinstalled.
She's one Beautiful and Fantastic Car. We hope you have many years with her, even more than we had.
Take Care Amigo.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine, 426 Hemi Chicks
striping the parking lot, i see
QuoteTeaser of car driving in office lot. The guys said they did not get good good sound so will work on another video for that. Timing is now where it should be, adjusted secondary carb linkage a bit, but drove it on the street for 1st time in 45 years to get here. Shifts fine. I notice a bit of fuel seepage from top hose at top of vapor separator-very small thing to fix, and I may need to adjust carb linkage a bit more, but it is now mechanically back to where it needs to be and ready for the nose.
https://taxondemand.s3.amazonaws.com/2021/DaytonaParkingLot1.mp4
What/where format are these videos? My vintage Mac via Hughesnet won't load them (well...maybe if I wait about 2 hours)
Bob,Nice work getting the Daytona up and running again! Hopefully Christine and Dena will get the Road Runner,and the Superbee,up and running too!
Quote from: chargervert on March 13, 2021, 06:15:08 PM
Bob,Nice work getting the Daytona up and running again! Hopefully Christine and Dena will get the Road Runner,and the Superbee,up and running too!
Hi Chargervert, 14 March 2021
Thank You; that's the plan. The SB should be the easiest as little was modified on it. The big changes are the K-Member and the Third member, the latter of which belongs to the RR and visa versa. We bought a spare Hemi K-Member in 69 to simplify installing the Hemi in the SB.
Need to rebuild the 440- Six Pack engine due to shoddy factory workmanship and even shoddier dealer mechanical repair. Plan is to keep it stock and as original as possible. It has a couple dings, one compliments of me and my stupidity and two compliments of thieves. There's no rust, they haven't been rained on since their first year of life.
Once we have them in Phoenix, Dena has a large fully equipped shop where we can do serious work and get it done quickly. She also has paint and body shops that do excellent work. Our hope is to have the SB and the Ford Police Mustang up and running by summer 2022.
Once those two are done the Hemi RR will get a complete make over. Its Hemi is going to require a lot of work. The guy that did the major work on it kind of screwed things up. Later on I figured out he didn't know much about Hemi's and made some serious mistakes with the engine. He modified the oiling system and did a real no, no on the heads. He used an orbital seat grinder thereby damaging the seats and heads. I think a good head shop can correct his mistakes, all 16 0f them. I know what to do with the oiling system, just return it to stock.
We'll use the RR for local car shows and maybe a bit of street racing.
We really enjoy seeing and reading about Bob and his Hemi Daytona. I think she is his main car love and he is her main human love. The two of them belong together. We could see it in his face when he first laid eyes upon her 24 October 2020. We're happy they have each other.
We'll keep you all posted on a new thread after we have our relocation to Phoenix completed. Once we are settled in we should have time to devote to the cars rather than packing boxes and moving.
Take Care Chargervert.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
Awesome Sight ! Amazing :dance: :faint: :woohoo: :patriot:
Congratulations Bob !!
this IS fantastic seeing this Daytona & listening to ( 426 Hemi Chicks ) storys & thank you for continuing to share your story & adventure with us Bob :2thumbs: :cheers: :cheers:
watching your first videos when it did not fire , i was thinking i was actually there & talking to the computer screen saying check this that
:lol: & watching avidly ....was excited listening you cranking the motor waiting for that HEMI to fire up :dance:
awesome thread
looking forward to seeing & reading more installments !
Congratulation!!!!
XX29 haven :drool5:
K-E
Nose going on Friday 4/2/21 for first time in over 40 years. Car is running fine-we pulled it out, drove it around the lot and let it idle in the sun for 30 minutes yesterday-steady 180 degrees, steady 40 PSI oil, no leaks. Picture from last night with all systems go.
Taking to Mobile Fest at Battleships April 24.
Hi Bob, 30 March 2021
Fantastic Amigo. We're sure she is happy. Hope the package arrived OK.
Today, the Super Bee will be going out of the garage, weather permitting, for the first time in 35+ years to have a bath. Yes, she's another survivor but we're not going to take her to Phoenix as filthy as she is. We have photos documenting all the crud from spending 42 years in our Texas garage.
Getting everything ready for shipment to Phoenix in the next two weeks, hopefully sooner.
We're planning to start a new thread for our 68 Hemi Road Runner and 69 440 Six-Pack Super Bee. We'll do it in another section of the site, just haven't figured out zackly where (Any suggestions?). Have a couple photos we'll post here shortly, before and after type. They need to be resized before we can post them.
Take care, have a safe, successful, and enjoyable adventure; we're positive your Daytona will enjoy this as this will be her first ever formal car showing; She'll be the hit of the show.
When you are installing the nose, if you find anything inside that looks like hay or straw, it's from the time she spent in our barn in Ohio.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine
Hi Folks, 30 March 2021
We now have a new thread on "Car Guys Discussion" for the RR and SB. We'll drop by here to look and enjoy the adventures of Bob and his Daytona. We'll only post here when it has something to do with the subject matter of this thread.
A sample photo is attached, it and the rest are on the new thread.
Come over and visit us when you feel like it and feel free to comment all you want.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: taxspeaker on March 30, 2021, 12:57:00 PM
Nose going on Friday 4/2/21 for first time in over 40 years. Car is running fine-we pulled it out, drove it around the lot and let it idle in the sun for 30 minutes yesterday-steady 180 degrees, steady 40 PSI oil, no leaks. Picture from last night with all systems go.
Taking to Mobile Fest at Battleships April 24.
Quote from: 426HemiChick on March 30, 2021, 09:59:33 PM
Hi Folks, 30 March 2021
We now have a new thread on "Car Guys Discussion" for the RR and SB. We'll drop by here to look and enjoy the adventures of Bob and his Daytona. We'll only post here when it has something to do with the subject matter of this thread.
A sample photo is attached, it and the rest are on the new thread.
Come over and visit us when you feel like it and feel free to comment all you want.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
great stuff ! :yesnod: :cheers: :popcrn:
What can you say but thanks.
Thanks to Mark Sekula and his dad, of Magnum Restoration in LaSalle Illinois, and my buddies Matt Johnson and Mike Arms for their work on Friday April 2, 2021.
The unrestored Hemi Daytona is complete, the nose is on, the car is running and is ready to go to a few shows. It will be driven a bit around Southern Indiana on sunny days and maybe visit a car show or two within 100 miles.
The response, the offers of help, and the follow-throughs with action restore our faith that there is an incredible number of good people out there, many of whom share our passion for these unique long-nosed, quirky, aerodynamic precursors to today's France-Orwellian mandated NASCAR race-boxes of Toyota parts in the same box.
In these days where everyone seems to claim to be a victim it is great to see people that actually do something. Over 50 years ago I learned that there are complainers and there are doers. The doers got this car together, and this group of Dodge Charger supporters, were as much a psychological and mechanical support as they were a physical support. Thanks everyone, and especially Christine for allowing me to be the current caretaker.
See you at some shows or drop by Southern Indiana to Wing Car Eccentrics Anonymous to see them, or shoot the bull. Feel free to make suggestions, and if you know of someone with actual 1969 brake hoses (3), heater hoses or radiator hoses please send them my way.
Here are 3 pictures for you. As soon as the weather clears I will take it back out for some outside shots.
Bob J
Hi Bob, 02 April 2021
Congratulations!!! She looks magnificent, like we remember her from 49 Years ago.
Here is a link Dena thought you would be interested in. It may contain an explanation of why the radio was only playing Spanish language stations and the solution for this unique problem:
https://www.tinaja.com/glib/marciaw.pdf
I don't know if I mentioned it, not long after we bought the car we noticed the headlights wouldn't stay down very long after the engine was shut down. Bought a new vacuum reservoir from my friend at our local Dodge Dealer, installed it, voila, it worked. Yes, in 1972 they still had new factory parts for Daytona's.
I think you know me well enough to know, "I don't throw stuff away," which tells me the original factory Orange Juice Can (Which is what they used) is around here somewhere. If'n and when we find it, it will be on it's way home.
Thank you Bob and all your loyal friends that have helped bring her back to life so that future generations can see what a real marvel she was and still is. To our thinking, she and her sisters are the most beautiful automobiles to ever grace the highways of the United States and the world. We had numerous offers to buy her; we wanted someone that would take care of her and bring her back to life. It is difficult to express in words how happy we are that you are her new parent.
May God Bless You, Your Family and All the Folks That Have Helped in Her Resurrection. We had her for a long time, we hope you have her for an even longer one.
Best Always,
Dena and Christine
PS:
We almost forgot:
"We want to wish one and all a very Blessed and Happy Easter."
Dena and Christine - 426 Hemi Chicks
Congrats :2thumbs: Looks nice. LEON.
Great going !!!! That HAD to be fun !!!!
:cheers: :popcrn: :drool5: :2thumbs:
VERY Cool :2thumbs:
Loading now in the snow for Moparfest at the Battleships this weekend.
Hemi Daytona starts & runs great but is one cold-natured car. I guess 34 degrees and snow it is acceptable.
Hemi SUperbird all loaded and ready. Also starts and runs great. Also cold-natured as heck.
The 43 year barn find green bird is coming down from more snow in Chicago with Mark Seklua.
Saturday at Mobile Battleship Park.
Lookin' good Bob! Wish we were closer...we'd be there! Have fun! :2thumbs:
Hi Bob, 23 April 2021
Good luck and safe travels. Looking forward to photos and your report on this event. Your cars are looking great. We are sure you have the Star of the show. God Bless You All.
Best Always,
426 Hemi Chicks
:coolgleamA: part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYXC3Nu9cvs
good video Bob :2thumbs: looking forward to watching next videos & installments :popcrn:
:cheers:
Thanks Steve.
We have recorded several others (3 more I think) on this Daytona, and I expect my son (camera & voice over) will be posting another within the week. I make a mistake or two on each one, I'm sure (like my hood comment in the 1st one), but overall I am trying to provide a visual record of what these cars were like as built. He just took a drone video of it being driven-I am curious what it will look like too-he doesn't allow me to see any in advance!
I think once he is done with this one he wants to do the purple Hemi Superbird-there is some eye-opening information possibly coming on it in a couple of weeks-I am awaiting some final clarification first.
My favorite picture from Alabama is actually not of the Daytona, but of a new form of battlefield armament delivery.
Appreciate the comments.
Wingcars in 'plastic' aeriated tents, does it get any better!
Someone has got their 'Mopar Heaven' here on Earth and 'good luck' to you too! :2thumbs:
If certain 'forward thinking' folks 'had NOT seen the light' in the awful 1970's, there would be nowt to put in tents now... :scratchchin:
I'm still amazed with all that has gone on in the last 50 years, we still have Wingcars to BEHOLD.
Greta and her crowd are 'coming on strong' so we must enjoy ourselves with what little time the GREENIES give us... :slap:
I personally would love to build an 'electric' Dayclonea (Knightona) , and get with with greenies, but funds won't allow it... :'( :'( :'(
ps, I'm already 'down' with the 'green thing', all my Mopars are 'green' and I never drive them, or even start them up any more... :nana:
Quote from: taxspeaker on May 02, 2021, 09:03:35 PM
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My favorite picture from Alabama is actually not of the Daytona, but of a new form of battlefield armament delivery.
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Hi Bob, 05 May 2021
Once a Marine, Always a Marine. Nice
"Battlefield Armament" toy you have there; where can we get one? It would look great mounted on top of our house.
Thanks for your service Bob.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: taxspeaker on May 02, 2021, 09:03:35 PM
Thanks Steve.
We have recorded several others (3 more I think) on this Daytona, and I expect my son (camera & voice over) will be posting another within the week. I make a mistake or two on each one, I'm sure (like my hood comment in the 1st one), but overall I am trying to provide a visual record of what these cars were like as built. He just took a drone video of it being driven-I am curious what it will look like too-he doesn't allow me to see any in advance!
I think once he is done with this one he wants to do the purple Hemi Superbird-there is some eye-opening information possibly coming on it in a couple of weeks-I am awaiting some final clarification first.
My favorite picture from Alabama is actually not of the Daytona, but of a new form of battlefield armament delivery.
Appreciate the comments.
All that work for a static display ?
Static? Let's see my recent solo driving trips in wing cars:
70 White Superbird driven roundtrip to Alaska then round trip to Key West from Indiana after winning best wingcar at Mopar Nats
69 Yellow Daytona driven round trip to Moparfest in Mobile, AL from Indiana
70 Green Superbird driven to multiple, different Indiana/Kentucky car shows none of which closer than 50 miles one way
70 Hemi Superbird, open headers and slicks driven 20 miles round trip to Indiana car show, driven round trip from hotel to 50th anniv. on the street with slicks and open headers
69 Hemi Daytona-already driven round trip 50 miles to Indiana car show-probably the only person on the planet willing to drive a Hemi Daytona with 50 year old tires on the street, with another show trip scheduled to drive to Friday after work.
Static? Read any of my long term threads and you will see how ridiculous that comment is. Few people drive these cars and that is certainly their right, which I understand. But I would never disparage their decision, particularly if I didn't even own one.
A very few of us choose to enjoy the cars, drive them, share them with fans and expose them to the elements, thieves, vandals, morons and poor drivers. I am a member of the latter group and am particularly pissed off by comments like "trailer queens" and "static" from ignorant folks without all of the facts. An average of 750 miles daily for 15 straight days in the original front seat of a 45 year old Nascar Superbird with no radio, a/c, cruise and ecm & fuel issues from Indiana to Alaska tends to make one touchy about comments like this.
Edzackery Bob ! :2thumbs:
Your YouTube videos are excellent. Enjoyed them!
Quote from: taxspeaker on May 03, 2021, 06:31:57 PM
Static? Let's see my recent solo driving trips in wing cars:
70 White Superbird driven roundtrip to Alaska then round trip to Key West from Indiana after winning best wingcar at Mopar Nats
69 Yellow Daytona driven round trip to Moparfest in Mobile, AL from Indiana
70 Green Superbird driven to multiple, different Indiana/Kentucky car shows none of which closer than 50 miles one way
70 Hemi Superbird, open headers and slicks driven 20 miles round trip to Indiana car show, driven round trip from hotel to 50th anniv. on the street with slicks and open headers
69 Hemi Daytona-already driven round trip 50 miles to Indiana car show-probably the only person on the planet willing to drive a Hemi Daytona with 50 year old tires on the street, with another show trip scheduled to drive to Friday after work.
Static? Read any of my long term threads and you will see how ridiculous that comment is. Few people drive these cars and that is certainly their right, which I understand. But I would never disparage their decision, particularly if I didn't even own one.
A very few of us choose to enjoy the cars, drive them, share them with fans and expose them to the elements, thieves, vandals, morons and poor drivers. I am a member of the latter group and am particularly pissed off by comments like "trailer queens" and "static" from ignorant folks without all of the facts. An average of 750 miles daily for 15 straight days in the original front seat of a 45 year old Nascar Superbird with no radio, a/c, cruise and ecm & fuel issues from Indiana to Alaska tends to make one touchy about comments like this.
Hey Bob! Couldn't agree with you more! Giving acudanut the benefit of the doubt, was he referring to your gunship display? Possibly thinking that the gun was really mounted on the truck? :shruggy:
Quote from: Birdflu on May 04, 2021, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: taxspeaker on May 03, 2021, 06:31:57 PM
Static? Let's see my recent solo driving trips in wing cars:
70 White Superbird driven roundtrip to Alaska then round trip to Key West from Indiana after winning best wingcar at Mopar Nats
69 Yellow Daytona driven round trip to Moparfest in Mobile, AL from Indiana
70 Green Superbird driven to multiple, different Indiana/Kentucky car shows none of which closer than 50 miles one way
70 Hemi Superbird, open headers and slicks driven 20 miles round trip to Indiana car show, driven round trip from hotel to 50th anniv. on the street with slicks and open headers
69 Hemi Daytona-already driven round trip 50 miles to Indiana car show-probably the only person on the planet willing to drive a Hemi Daytona with 50 year old tires on the street, with another show trip scheduled to drive to Friday after work.
Static? Read any of my long term threads and you will see how ridiculous that comment is. Few people drive these cars and that is certainly their right, which I understand. But I would never disparage their decision, particularly if I didn't even own one.
A very few of us choose to enjoy the cars, drive them, share them with fans and expose them to the elements, thieves, vandals, morons and poor drivers. I am a member of the latter group and am particularly pissed off by comments like "trailer queens" and "static" from ignorant folks without all of the facts. An average of 750 miles daily for 15 straight days in the original front seat of a 45 year old Nascar Superbird with no radio, a/c, cruise and ecm & fuel issues from Indiana to Alaska tends to make one touchy about comments like this.
Hey Bob! Couldn't agree with you more! Giving acudanut the benefit of the doubt, was he referring to your gunship display? Possibly thinking that the gun was really mounted on the truck? :shruggy:
That's how I took it? That he was referring to the military armament? :shruggy: As the term "static display" is generally used in regards to out of service tanks, etc. See below from the U.S. ARMY
https://www.tacom.army.mil/ilsc/donations/displays#:~:text=The%20Static%20Display%20Program%20is%20conducted%20by%20the,Code%20%C2%A72572%20as%20implemented%20by%20Army%20Regulation%20700-131.
Based on history, I doubt the tank was what he was referring to...
I have to say I have enjoyed reading about this Daytona, its everyone's dream to find a Hemi Daytona but it is obvious that his one has found a great home.
Most of all I really appreciate everyone sharing the process so we could all follow along from home.
The Youtube videos are well done to....its like going over to a friends place to shoot the breeze.
Thanks,
Dave
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs: good videos Bob :cheers: :popcrn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXNJj2QY4LA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYLl6G9RGY4
Thanks Steve. All i do is yap and sometimes i get stuff right, my boys do the videos.
Appreciate the comments guys.
I love watching your videos! Thanks for posting them. :popcrn:
Keep driving them Sir. :2thumbs:I can't believe how happy people get when seeing our old cars out there on the road where they should be.
Mike
Quote from: taxspeaker on May 02, 2021, 09:03:35 PM
Thanks Steve.
We have recorded several others (3 more I think) on this Daytona, and I expect my son (camera & voice over) will be posting another within the week. I make a mistake or two on each one, I'm sure (like my hood comment in the 1st one), but overall I am trying to provide a visual record of what these cars were like as built. He just took a drone video of it being driven-I am curious what it will look like too-he doesn't allow me to see any in advance!
I think once he is done with this one he wants to do the purple Hemi Superbird-there is some eye-opening information possibly coming on it in a couple of weeks-I am awaiting some final clarification first.
My favorite picture from Alabama is actually not of the Daytona, but of a new form of battlefield armament delivery.
Appreciate the comments.
I was talking about the static photo, One ton with fake munition's.
Awesome Bob! :cheers:
I have been working through some fuel issues on the Daytona and been unable to drive it or even start it since we got back from Mobile in April. Although I had gone through everything at the beginning, including dropping and flushing the gas tank, flushing and blowing out the gas lines, rebuilding the fuel pump, and cleaning the vapor separator and lines something occurred in that trip that caused fuel delivery issues.
In the last month I once again dropped the gas tank and did a 3-step clean/rust prevent/seal treatment; blew out the lines until the 80 gallon air tank was empty, again rebuilt the fuel pump, again vigorously cleaned the vapor separator, again rigorously blew out the lines from pump & separator to carbs, and even sent the carbs up to Brian Brady at CrossRam Connections this time (not trusting myself) and had them rebuilt again. It is once again all back together except the carbs, which I hope to get on this coming week when they get back.
The car is and remains forever unrestored and sits suspended on the lift at the shop so as not to affect the 50 year old polyglass red stripes. Assuming it starts again next week, and assuming I feel reasonably confidant to drive it I will drive it to a local show on July 4. Then it is going to Carlisle for the survivor tent where I probably won't leave its side for 3 days now. If you are going please stop by and talk-the sour taste from this ordeal will be forgotten with some good Mopar discussions. My wife will be staying with the Purple Super Bird in Building T and you can kid her-she is scared someone will ask her a question, and since she told a guy 3 weeks ago that Daytonas don't have rear wings, she is scared of answering questions!
While I had the fuel pump and alternator off I took 8-10 pictures of each so that we can all have a visual reference of the originals. I have attached here 1 picture of each-you can always text or email me if you want pictures from different directions or angles.
Hope to see you at Carlisle-having never been it is kind of exciting!
Bob
Bob,
Check the length of the fuel pump pushrod. I have seen these wear and cause low fuel delivery as the pump stroke is reduced due to wear on the tip of the pushrod, I have seen up to 3/8" difference between used and new pushrods. Just something to check if you haven't already. :2thumbs:
Thanks Scott. Yes, i had checked that with a micrometer-measured out exactly. That was before i checked the fuel, and realized that was the problem.
Bob
Bob,
If you still have problems after all this I suggest that you trying running the car WITHOUT the vapor separator.
I had problems with our Daytona and some how it was sending the fuel back to the tank and not to the carb! :brickwall:
Once I bypassed it the car ran fine!
MJ
I had the exact same problem Mopar John on my C500.
Thanks guys. I had not thought about the vapor separator being bad itself. I know there is some type of orifice limiting size in there-it does flow air and fluid through it. I really want to keep the original parts on it, so when I get the carbs on next week I am hoping that solves the final issue. I am out this week working and had to do an earlier flight to get it started, so looks like I won't get back to it until the 28th or 29th now.
All you need is a 1/2" fuel line and a fuel log.
:cheers:
Quote from: taxspeaker on June 18, 2021, 01:20:02 PM
I have been working through some fuel issues on the Daytona and been unable to drive it or even start it since we got back from Mobile in April. Although I had gone through everything at the beginning, including dropping and flushing the gas tank, flushing and blowing out the gas lines, rebuilding the fuel pump, and cleaning the vapor separator and lines something occurred in that trip that caused fuel delivery issues.
Had a very similar problem years ago with one of my cars, pulled my hair out cleaning and blowing out lines, rebuilding this or that, but the car would still exhibit hard starts, randomly shutting down, or stumbling,.... it was fuel related, eventually I found the culprit in the gas tank, even though I had pulled it SEVERAL times and douched it out, it was a layer of rust hiding on top of the ECS tube plate welded into the ceiling of the tank, it was only visibly after I cut open and destroyed the tank, but the fine rust particles were plugging up the needle seats on the carb along with various carb orifices causing gremlins, driving made the situation worse, as road vibration would just dislodge more rust particles and suck them up in the pick up/sender unit instantly.... although a tank may appear "clean-rust free" peering thru a filler hole, you don't know what may be hiding on the walls or structures that you can't see... just a possibility in your case....
another possibility is some minute pin holes in the fuel line (suction side) that don't leak, but allow air to be drawn in, starving the carbs of an adequate supply of fuel, vacuum/suction is more tenacious even at low reading than pressure, I've seen lines over the years that can hold pressure, yet leak under vacuum when tested....
MikeG
Quote from: odcics2 on June 19, 2021, 09:47:29 AM
All you need is a 1/2" fuel line and a fuel log.
:cheers:
Hi odcics2, 21 June 2021
Noticed the days are already getting shorter.
Great idea but doesn't keep the Daytona original. Our experience is a problem like this has a cause and the solution is usually something simple . . . . once found.
Love your Daytona, a masterpiece more beautiful than a Rembrandt, has a Hemi, goes faster and sounds better.
We hope to see it one of these days soon.
Take care.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Thank you! 23 years of fun.
Hopefully, things like the carbs being refreshed won't be over restored.
When I did the Dominator on DC-93, I left the outside as original as possible.
The late Gary Congdon supplied me with all the loose parts and we chose jetting based on
intended usage so the engine wouldn't load up.
On the dyno at Pettys, we ran it without a log at first.
It was starving and made 525 hp.
With the log we saw the 575 that Larry Rathgeb said it made
for the 200 run. The cam is the recommended Racer Brown STX-24.
crank up the sound :yesnod: good video Bob , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k654Q9xIVG4
cant wait for the next .... :popcrn:
Got the carbs back on yesterday. Started car let it warm all the way up to operating temperature without issue, although it is still cold natured.
Today I started it again without issue and drove it on local roads for about 5 miles to put some racing fuel in and see how it did after 40 years of no driving! Kept it under 35 because of the tires. 10 gallons of 110 Octane should help everything. The guys video taped the start and drive-not sure what they are going to do with it.
We then did a new video on the purple Hemi Superbird which I think they will post tomorrow. There is an incredible piece of news in that video-I will be curious to see what they do with it. Once again I am sure I said something wrong, but what the heck.
Hope to see you at Carlisle.
Bob
at the pump
Quote from: taxspeaker on June 30, 2021, 01:00:44 PM
at the pump
:2thumbs: :cheers:
Fill'er up !!!! Now, make sure there are no leaks now..... it's an old car.... ;D
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 30, 2021, 06:04:29 PM
Quote from: taxspeaker on June 30, 2021, 01:00:44 PM
at the pump
:2thumbs: :cheers:
Fill'er up !!!! Now, make sure there are no leaks now..... it's an old car.... ;D
Hi Hemi68Charger, 30 June 2021
No, she's not old, just reawakened from a 45 year hibernation. She's in the best of hands. Thanks Bob. She is looking mighty fine and Happy you are her Pappy. She will never let you down.
Took as close of a look as possible of the pump; hope that doesn't say
Diesel.
Take Care.
Dena and Christine
Awesome!!! As promised, here is the published article on the Daytona! :2thumbs:
https://moparconnectionmagazine.com/finders-keepers-bob-jennings-incredible-1969-hemi-dodge-daytona-survivor/
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on June 30, 2021, 10:08:14 PM
Awesome!!! As promised, here is the published article on the Daytona! :2thumbs:
https://moparconnectionmagazine.com/finders-keepers-bob-jennings-incredible-1969-hemi-dodge-daytona-survivor/
nice job Cody ! good story ! nice article :2thumbs: :cheers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbqT73cSjx0 :yesnod:
nother awesome video ! thanks for sharing Bob !!! :cheers: looking forward to the next :2thumbs: :popcrn:
never realised you got the original Hemi back ! wow thats fantastic :dance:
Quote from: tan top on July 01, 2021, 07:10:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbqT73cSjx0 :yesnod:
nother awesome video ! thanks for sharing Bob !!! :cheers: looking forward to the next :2thumbs: :popcrn:
never realised you got the original Hemi back ! wow thats fantastic :dance:
Hi Tan Top, Bob and All the Fine Folks on This Site, 03 July 2021
Thanks Tan Top for the links, we did enjoy the entertainment.
Just a quick comment on your video Bob. As we were watching, dogs started barking. Well our pups are always here with us and when the barking started ours joined in while running around looking for those unexpected visitors. They enjoyed the ad lib entertainment and we enjoyed watching them have some unexpected fun.
We do miss your Daytona, but we are extremely happy you are her new Parent. We know she will be well cared for, for many years to come. It's hard to express in words how much we appreciate the care you give Her and all of Her siblings.
Best Always, God Bless.
Dena and Christine the 426 Hemi Chicks
What brought you to Thesalon in the Daytona? That's a small town. The Chapleau highway is pretty windy. I drove it at night once in the pouring rain. Lucky I didn't hit a moose!
Quote from: Stevetona on July 03, 2021, 09:17:44 AM
What brought you to Thesalon in the Daytona? That's a small town. The Chapleau highway is pretty windy. I drove it at night once in the pouring rain. Lucky I didn't hit a moose!
Hi Steve, 03 July 2021
Never saw Moose up there but did meet up with a few bear, big and small. First trip in 75 we did some work on the Chapleau Highway upgrade project. Our work was unauthorized; once the work crew had headed north to their camp, we cranked up a couple of their dozers and commenced moving dirt. Quit before they returned; they heard the dozers running. Amazing how far sound travels up that-a-way. They came over to the camp and asked around if anyone knew who was messing with their equipment. Not a rat in the Pack.
Our Guess was a good one.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
To Bob, Christine and anyone else that had a hand in keeping this car original over the past forty or so years; I enjoyed the heck out of seeing it at Carlisle this past weekend!
It was a pleasure to bring it out and talk to everyone. I have never been to Carlisle and was overwhelmed by the experience. Thanks for the comments and thanks to Christine for making it possible.
Bob
Quote from: taxspeaker on July 13, 2021, 03:03:09 PM
It was a pleasure to bring it out and talk to everyone. I have never been to Carlisle and was overwhelmed by the experience. Thanks for the comments and thanks to Christine for making it possible.
Bob
It's great to see that the car has landed in the hands of a real enthusiast and not a bargaining chip for a "day trader".
Thanks Doug
Quote from: Aero426 on July 14, 2021, 10:00:43 AM
It's great to see that the car has landed in the hands of a real enthusiast and not a bargaining chip for a "day trader".
Hi Aero426, 14 July 2021
You are 100% correct. We talked with a goodly number of potential buyers. Money was not our primary goal, the right new parent was. Bob was and is the ideal new parent for his Hemi Daytona and we are grateful for that.
We wanted a reasonable return and we feel we got it. What was it? Guessing is more fun than knowing. Just so everyone knows, Dena, my Partner, was the one who made the decision who would be our Daytona's new parent, and I owe Her for Her wise decision.
Thank you Bob, she looks great and happy. You are the ideal parent for her.
God Bless.
Best Always
Christine for the 426 Hemi Chicks
nother awesome Video Bob !!! thanks for sharing your collection :2thumbs: :cheers:
looking forward to the next one :cheers::popcrn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrIWRooNYfM
Hey Steve-thanks!! And thanks for always posting all the pictures from current and back in the day-I don't know how you find them, but they are great to look at.
Bob, now that baseball season has finally come to an end, I gotta make the trip back down your way again to see the car. I would say "cars" but lets be honest, we all know which ones I wanna look at. lol.
First driving road trip.
Yesterday the daytona was driven gently 28 miles to a local car show honoring veterans that i try to attend when in town. The 50 year old tires never went over 45 mph each way. I will drive it to local shows up to about 30 miles.
It drove fine. It starts easily but pops and sputters still on acceleration. I believe i fixed that today-a vacuum issue i think.
Dan, or anyone in metro louisville area is always welcome to stop in- i travel a lot for work so check with me 1st.
As original as that car is I'm guessing it has its original H wheels. I'm curious what the date code is on them.
Hmm-I thought I had pictures when dealing with the tires, but I don't see them. Can I get the date code without dismounting the tires-the car is on a lift and it is easy to grab the pictures and codes, happy to do it if that works.
Bob
Quote from: taxspeaker on September 11, 2021, 09:41:13 AM
Hmm-I thought I had pictures when dealing with the tires, but I don't see them. Can I get the date code without dismounting the tires-the car is on a lift and it is easy to grab the pictures and codes, happy to do it if that works.
Bob
Sorry bob, the only pic I got of your rims with dates. Sorry its not clearer. I will do better next time.
Quote from: 69_500 on September 11, 2021, 10:29:48 AM
Sorry bob, the only pic I got of your rims with dates. Sorry its not clearer. I will do better next time.
Are those wheels the ones from the Hemi Daytona? It looks like January 21st 1969. I assume there's a large H in between two of the holes for the studs.
Quote from: 69hemidaytona on September 11, 2021, 01:04:18 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on September 11, 2021, 10:29:48 AM
Sorry bob, the only pic I got of your rims with dates. Sorry its not clearer. I will do better next time.
Are those wheels the ones from the Hemi Daytona? It looks like January 21st 1969. I assume there's a large H in between two of the holes for the studs.
yes that's the rims from the Daytona. and yes a LARGE H stamped between stud holes. I may have a pic of that around here too.
I will be at shop Thursday afternoon and might be able to get pictures.
Quote from: taxspeaker on September 12, 2021, 09:19:31 AM
I will be at shop Thursday afternoon and might be able to get pictures.
Hey Bob.. Can you see if there is any evidence of the power steering gear box being painted black.. Or was natural.. Trying to figure out what to do with my gear box.
Hi Hemi68, 15 September 2021
About 30 years ago we went to a car show that had a Vette on display that had been restored. The posted details indicated that all the components that are normally left natural had been plated with a substance that didn't rust and left the metal looking natural. Wish we could remember what the plating material was. It has to be out there somewhere.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Quote from: 426HemiChick on September 15, 2021, 10:31:01 AM
Hi Hemi68, 15 September 2021
About 30 years ago we went to a car show that had a Vette on display that had been restored. The posted details indicated that all the components that are normally left natural had been plated with a substance that didn't rust and left the metal looking natural. Wish we could remember what the plating material was. It has to be out there somewhere.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
After discussing this at length with Frank Badalson and Dave Wise, the verdict is they were all painted black. It was that the painting process sucked and the paint eventually, even on low mileage cars, just flaked away......
Quote from: hemi68charger on September 15, 2021, 03:29:28 PM
After discussing this at length with Frank Badalson and Dave Wise, the verdict is they were all painted black. It was that the painting process sucked and the paint eventually, even on low mileage cars, just flaked away......
Hi Again Hemi68, 15 September 2021
We have two extremely low mileage B bodies, 68 RR and 69 SB. The SB has the least miles, 2681 to be exact. We do not remember a time that car was ever rained on or was driven on wet roads. Since the cars are now in Phoenix and we are still here in Texas, we can't inspect them to verify Frank's comment. We'll stick our neck out and say the running gear was bare metal but can't prove it at this time.
Hopefully, we'll be home in a couple weeks, we'll put the SB on the lift and photograph its under belly. That might produce a clue as to what happened back in the "Olden Days."
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
I dug mine out and there is black paint still on the top rear. :yesnod: (Wingman) Jay.
I just read the article about this car in the latest issue of Mopar Collectors Guide.
As always, per their normal articles... they went into great detail on the history of this car.
Great story behind it.
But did the tires still have 69 air in them :scratchchin: This is getting crazy. Original gas, filters ,oil and plugs ?? Enough is Enough.
Quote from: ACUDANUT on September 20, 2021, 05:42:26 PM
But did the tires still have 69 air in them :scratchchin: This is getting crazy. Original gas, filters ,oil and plugs ?? Enough is Enough.
Some folks get it, some folks don't. :shruggy:
To each their own.... :yesnod:
:cheers:
Quote from: ACUDANUT on September 20, 2021, 05:42:26 PM
But did the tires still have 69 air in them :scratchchin: This is getting crazy. Original gas, filters ,oil and plugs ?? Enough is Enough.
Hello Cuda Dear, 02 October 2021
No one puts old air in their tires. The best thing you can fill your tires with is pure Nitrogen which has no oxygen mixed in. Over time it is healthier for your tires and is more stable than Nitrogen mixed with Oxygen (what we breathe). If you ever see a vehicle with Green valve caps, that's a good sign the tires are filled with nitrogen.
We also spray painted cars using pure Water Pumped Nitrogen vs Oil Pumped; cleaner, essentially no contaminants. We started using Nitrogen in our tires and painting cars with it back in 1968, 53 years ago. Also more expensive.
When using nitrogen you have to be careful and not allow much of it to escape into your work area. This is especially important when using Nitrogen for painting. When using Nitrogen for painting, the painter needs to be breathing fresh air from an outside source. Before you try this, be sure you have someone knowledgeable help and advise you.
Hope this helps clear things up.
Take Care Dear.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Hi Cuda Dear, 14 October 2021
Just got to thinking, oddly enough, we do have two tires, mounted on rims, from 1969 that are filled with 1969 Nitrogen. They are the M & H drag slicks we used on the 69 Super Bee. They're still in the trunk where we put them 52 years ago; they look "Brandy New."
So, if'n you would like some of that old gas/air, we'll give you souvenir bottle of it when you come out to visit us in Laveen (Phoenix), Arizona. You are always welcome; that is, once we are there and have the house finished, just a small bit of work remains like removing the carpet and replacing it with tile.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
Repaired the last few little things today: power steering hose leak; fixed both horns; fixed constant stutter/die (bad vapor separator) and the "To Do" list is finally done. The car goes to MCACN Barn finds in 3 weeks-stop by and talk!
After Mcacn, I am finally going to gently wash the car, then carefully polich and wax the paint. The wheels/tires will go on the wall to be temporarily replace with red strip radials on (probably) old Magnums I have. I am open to wheel suggestions.
There are currently no show plans for 2022, but I hope to take it to some big show in the Midwest, mountain west, or upper Midwest. Again, open to suggestions and invites!-Might bring more than 1 wing.
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 02, 2021, 07:11:14 PM
Repaired the last few little things today: power steering hose leak; fixed both horns; fixed constant stutter/die (bad vapor separator) and the "To Do" list is finally done. The car goes to MCACN Barn finds in 3 weeks-stop by and talk!
After Mcacn, I am finally going to gently wash the car, then carefully polich and wax the paint. The wheels/tires will go on the wall to be temporarily replace with red strip radials on (probably) old Magnums I have. I am open to wheel suggestions.
There are currently no show plans for 2022, but I hope to take it to some big show in the Midwest, mountain west, or upper Midwest. Again, open to suggestions and invites!-Might bring more than 1 wing.
Awesome! :cheers:
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 02, 2021, 07:11:14 PM
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After Mcacn, I am finally going to gently wash the car, then carefully polich and wax the paint. The wheels/tires will go on the wall to be temporarily replace with red strip radials on (probably) old Magnums I have. I am open to wheel suggestions.
...
I would: options
1. Orange to match the car with hubcaps. One thing is the wheels might be "too fresh" against car's original paint.
2. Black wide rim steelies (15x7 or 8's) with chrome lugs
3. Black w/ complete set of 15" full wheel covers if you can find them (hemi or truck full wheel covers)
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 02, 2021, 07:11:14 PM
Repaired the last few little things today: power steering hose leak; fixed both horns; fixed constant stutter/die (bad vapor separator) and the "To Do" list is finally done. The car goes to MCACN Barn finds in 3 weeks-stop by and talk!
After Mcacn, I am finally going to gently wash the car, then carefully polich and wax the paint. The wheels/tires will go on the wall to be temporarily replace with red strip radials on (probably) old Magnums I have. I am open to wheel suggestions.
There are currently no show plans for 2022, but I hope to take it to some big show in the Midwest, mountain west, or upper Midwest. Again, open to suggestions and invites!-Might bring more than 1 wing.
Can't wait to see it again, I saw it at Carlisle and it was amazing. We will have our Charger 500 in the barn finds, the Daytona will have fitting company.
Quote from: 69F8C500 on November 03, 2021, 01:18:10 PM
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 02, 2021, 07:11:14 PM
Repaired the last few little things today: power steering hose leak; fixed both horns; fixed constant stutter/die (bad vapor separator) and the "To Do" list is finally done. The car goes to MCACN Barn finds in 3 weeks-stop by and talk!
After Mcacn, I am finally going to gently wash the car, then carefully polich and wax the paint. The wheels/tires will go on the wall to be temporarily replace with red strip radials on (probably) old Magnums I have. I am open to wheel suggestions.
There are currently no show plans for 2022, but I hope to take it to some big show in the Midwest, mountain west, or upper Midwest. Again, open to suggestions and invites!-Might bring more than 1 wing.
That sounds great, thanks!
Love the wheel suggestions-what about old school Cragars?
Can't wait to see it again, I saw it at Carlisle and it was amazing. We will have our Charger 500 in the barn finds, the Daytona will have fitting company.
I'd suggest bringing it Woodward Dream Cruise in 2022. And I think old school Cragars would look good. I even got a old set sitting around from the 1970's from my old Charger. LEON.
I vote Spyders :drool5:
Had a great time at MCACN show over the weekend got to hang out with bob and see this amazing car in person.
Bob chatting with Wayne Carini about the Daytona.
Bob cutting loose a little :icon_smile_big:
:cheers:
A great couple of days revisiting with old friends Stuart & Ian, Ernie, Mopar John and 8,000 not so close buddies. And no, I do not know who the young lady is and any reports otherwise are a figment of my imagination.
Thanks Stuart for posting.
You don't even remember her name Bob? she was super excited to get up on the wing, then she went to the other Bob and his Hemi Daytona to get a pic over there too.
I am in the 8,000 not so close buddies. I just keep pestering for detail pics on the car.
Sorry Dan, she was just more needy of attention than you. Enjoyed talking!
Quote from: 69_500 on November 26, 2021, 09:10:39 PM
I am in the 8,000 not so close buddies. I just keep pestering for detail pics on the car.
as soon as I saw your name missing from Bob's post, I knew I'd soon see this one, lol
it's not every weekend we get to rub elbows with three hemi Daytona owners, is it.
to jump curbs, run red lights and make U-turns with one of them is just icing on the cake
I had a great time talking with you Bob, can't wait to see the car at more shows, here's a cool picture of all the Chrysler aero warriors in the barn finds section:
I know you were worn out helping ryan, but it was great to see the 500, and f8 is even better. Start the resto!
Stuart, you had mentioned Spyders for the alternate set of wheels for Christine's Daytona. I did talk to the guy you mentioned and he quoted $1200 for the set. We dickered back and forth but I ended up turning him down-I think his final offer to pay me $1500 to take them is just too low. I did tell him I knew a guy though.
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 28, 2021, 01:08:34 PM
Stuart, you had mentioned Spyders for the alternate set of wheels for Christine's Daytona. I did talk to the guy you mentioned and he quoted $1200 for the set. We dickered back and forth but I ended up turning him down-I think his final offer to pay me $1500 to take them is just too low. I did tell him I knew a guy though.
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: well at least you have great taste in cars , wheels not so much :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: taxspeaker on November 02, 2021, 07:11:14 PM
Repaired the last few little things today: power steering hose leak; fixed both horns; fixed constant stutter/die (bad vapor separator) and the "To Do" list is finally done. The car goes to MCACN Barn finds in 3 weeks-stop by and talk!
After Mcacn, I am finally going to gently wash the car, then carefully polich and wax the paint. The wheels/tires will go on the wall to be temporarily replace with red strip radials on (probably) old Magnums I have. I am open to wheel suggestions.
There are currently no show plans for 2022, but I hope to take it to some big show in the Midwest, mountain west, or upper Midwest. Again, open to suggestions and invites!-Might bring more than 1 wing.
Hey Bob, I know this might be off topic a little but a good show in 2022 is the Holley Moparty in Bowling green KY. I've gone the last 2 years and had a blast. They do a wing car parade one of the days. I think it will be Sept. 16th-18th. Definitely recommend!
:2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :cheers:
Saw this on Facebook, you might want this Bob:
Thanks!!
Sadly i dont do facebook though.
I finally broke down and washed the dirt off, buffed and waxed the Daytona. Since it had 50 year old wheels and tires on it I also bolted on a set of 500 wheels with Coker repro red stripes. Don't worry, nothing was or will be changed, I just had to get it clean and safe to drive. The original wheels and tires are hanging on the wall now.
Bob, it looks terrific. Bravo!
It sure does look great! That car deserved a wash and buff. :Twocents:
:drool5:
Tastefully done.
:cheers:
Hi Bob, 25 January 2022
We have the PC up and functioning. As promised about 2 weeks ago when we spoke via Telco, we are placing a copy of the letter we sent Jay Leno, 21 May 2006, offering him a chance to purchase your Hemi Daytona when we still owned it. He never responded.
Knowing he recently offered to purchase it from you we thought it appropriate to post the original letter hoping he will see it here. So, without further ado, below is a copy of the original letter:
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Mr. Jay Leno, 21 May 2006
I have a 1969 Dodge Hemi Charger Daytona that I have kept in storage for 30 years. It is original, except for the tires, wheels, exhaust and carburetors, it has either 35K or 37K original miles and is in good condition. I have not been in the car in 19 years so I don't remember the exact mileage. Very few people know of this vehicles existence or its location. The following is a partial VIN:
XX29J9B3nnnnn. The VIN decodes as: (X)Charger, (X)Fast Top, (29)Charger, (J)426 Cu. In. Hemi, (9)1969, (B)Hamtramck Assembly plant, (3nnnnn)Six digit serial number.
It is well known that you are a serious automobile aficionado and collector. If you are interested in acquiring my Daytona please send me a telephone number with a specific date and time (PDT) where I can call you directly. You may contact me via email at: el.piglet@yahoo.com
I do not want to deal with third parties, brokers, etc. I am the principal; I have had this car far too long to turn it over to someone that is only interested in turning it. If you are interested, make the date for me to contact you at least five days after you receive this letter. If I do not receive a response from you by 15 Jun 06 I will assume you are not interested.
Please be assured that this is not a lame attempt at trying to contact a celebrity; I have better things to do with my time, and I, as I'm sure you do, cherish privacy. Somehow, someone found out that I have this and other muscle cars. Since that time I have been inundated with offers to buy them. My best guess is that these people are brokers.
I also have a couple of other 60's Mopar muscle cars that I have had in storage since they were a few weeks old. Each has less than 5K original miles, but this is for another time.
Thanks in advance,
Piglet
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Thanks for taking care of the Daytona. The wash and polish did wonders for her. She's a great car and never let us down.
Best Always
Dena and Christine
Nice story Piglet,
I sent a similar email to Don Garlits, asking if he wanted to have his old 'Crower car' back'
''Only for free'' he said... :slap:
when their ego shows
Mine or his lol?
:shruggy:
:smilielol:
his , had a similar issue years ago .
Drove the Hemi Daytona tonight. On a warm summer evening in Indiana at the State Forest about 25 miles north of us.
Quote from: taxspeaker on June 20, 2022, 08:37:30 PM
Drove the Hemi Daytona tonight. On a warm summer evening in Indiana at the State Forest about 25 miles north of us.
Hi Bob, 20 June 2022
She's looking great. From our last communication she is running like she used to.
Those wheels sure do make her.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
A Facebook post and photos by someone who happened across Bob and the car during this outing.
I'm saddened to learn of Christine's passing but probably not near as much so as she will be...
How do people come up with this crazy chit?
Wow is right Ernie!
He is right about the car though.
Quote from: held1823 on June 21, 2022, 06:19:18 AM
A Facebook post and photos by someone who happened across Bob and the car during this outing.
I'm saddened to learn of Christine's passing but probably not near as much so as she will be...
How do people come up with this crazy chit?
Hi Ernie, 21 June 2022 - Most Daylight Day of the Year
"How do people come up with this crazy chit?" Probably by using
"Crazy Chit !!!"We "ain't" planning my funeral just yet. Still have lots to do; need about 25 more years to get it all done.
Getting ready for Scott to get here sometime next month around 20 July 2022. He's relocating his trucking operation here to Laveen Arizona. Think it has a lot to do with the weather.
We're glad Scott decided to move here. We'll get to see him more often and I'll get to help drive his Big Rig; something I've always wanted to do and is the next to the last item on my "Bucket List." My very last item:
a Big Rig of Our Own.
Hopefully, next year when we head to Ohio for my 65th HS reunion (if they have one) we'll stop by Jeffersonville to visit You, Bob and Bob's Hemi Daytona, the Rarest Original Unrestored Hemi Daytona.
Bob, she sure looks great; every time we see a photo of her she looks better than ever. We're sure glad you adopted her and have given her a loving family and home. Thanks so much for caring for her.
Best Always
Dena and Christine
Quote from: 426HemiChick on June 21, 2022, 11:07:39 AM
Hopefully, next year when we head to Ohio for my 65th HS reunion (if they have one) we'll stop by Jeffersonville to visit You, Bob and Bob's Hemi Daytona, the Rarest Original Unrestored Hemi Daytona.
I'd certainly find a way to be there and maybe drag along the not as rare, not as original, hopefully half restored, non hemi Daytona that will be wearing your fenders. They are ready for reassembly and installation. Slight photo hijack of this thread for a different car, but the fenders are a part (no pun intended) of this adoption story
Quote from: held1823 on June 21, 2022, 08:28:20 PM
I'd certainly find a way to be there and maybe drag along the not as rare, not as original, hopefully half restored, non hemi Daytona that will be wearing your fenders. They are ready for reassembly and installation. Slight photo hijack of this thread for a different car, but the fenders are a part (no pun intended) of this adoption story
Hi Ernie, 22 June 2022
From what we can see, they will look better than new. We only played a very small part, which was an honor.
Looking forward to the day your Daytona is finished and hitting the show circuit.
We are hoping my class has the reunion. It's currently being discussed by the committee members that have always contributed the lion's share of effort in putting them together. It's a wait and see; should know something by late summer.
Anxious to see the fenders once they are reassembled. They came out of Alabama. Oddly enough while packing for the move we found the letter we received from the gentleman we got them from. Now we have to find it again and if and when we do, we'll send it to you.
Take Care Ernie, we hope to see you next summer.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :cheers: :yesnod: :popcrn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Xwu3HM1-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX2vizZ_KvA :coolgleamA: :yesnod: :popcrn: :coolgleamA: :drool5:
That was fantastic!