s is often the case when greed gets out of hand, the Feds caught up with Nicoll and brought the full weight of the Money Laundering and Asset Forfeiture team to bear on Mr. Nicoll and his collection of vintage muscle cars that have been dubbed "the blood money collection.
CRAZY JACK - PLUM CRAZY AUTO will be representing this PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD HEMI, one of 58 4 speed cars ever made. This bad ass wing car is being auctioned by the Dept. of Justice & US Marshall Service.he has been authorized to authenticate this car to be up for sale at the US MARSHALL auction in Lodi, NJ as one of the nicest mopars in the world along with a 1971 HEMI CUDA. These cars were previously from one of the biggest MOPAR collections in the world before being purchased and seized from the current owner.
that '71 cuda is the nicest driving E body I've ever been in. It has repop bias plys and manual steering and still rode and drove beautifully. It's an older restoration but it's fully documented.
Best of Show cleared around $100K on that car.
The Superbird has a build sheet (copy) with a really strange special order "J" number. Way out of sequence.
oops, i meant superbird not Daytona :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: Aero426 on September 05, 2014, 04:06:38 PM
The Superbird has a build sheet (copy) with a really strange special order "J" number. Way out of sequence.
where is the build sheet posted? I didn't see it.
Here is a partial.
J92462. WTF?
Complete sheet posted here. Scroll down to the bottom of the PDF.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35671246/1970%20Plymouth%20Authenticity%20Report.pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35671246/1970%20Plymouth%20Authenticity%20Report.pdf)
looks good !! :drool5: , interesting :popcrn:
I'm kind of curious how the J#'s were assigned, entered into the system, then printed up and put on the fender tag. Since I don't know.
What does the fender tag say?
I get what Doug is saying about the J92462. Could it have been J98462 entered incorrectly into the system somehow? Or something else?
Quote from: Redbird on September 05, 2014, 08:55:48 PM
I'm kind of curious how the J#'s were assigned, entered into the system, then printed up and put on the fender tag. Since I don't know.
What does the fender tag say?
I get what Doug is saying about the J92462. Could it have been J98462 entered incorrectly into the system somehow? Or something else?
Have not seen the actual fender tag yet.
http://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/08/22/Blood-Money-Collection
'The Blood Money Collection': U.S. Marshal-seized muscle cars up for auction
By: Grant Stoecker
According to the official FBI website, 40-year-old David Nicoll, of Mountain Lakes, N.J., amassed a significant fortune through his company, Biodiagnostic Laboratory Services, LLC, via a scheme to bribe health care providers to prescribe unnecessary blood tests.
As is often the case when greed gets out of hand, the Feds caught up with Nicoll and brought the full weight of the Money Laundering and Asset Forfeiture team to bear on Mr. Nicoll and his collection of vintage muscle cars that have been dubbed "the blood money collection." They'll be auctioned at the U.S. Marshal Services Auction Facility in Lodi, N.J., on Sept. 12
No to long ago there was another guy in Staten Island NY had a massive collection. I think Joe Stenella? That might have collection seized
I think that one has been sold off now hasn't it?
Superbird: $575k. Holy Shi.....
Has to be a record for a Superbird at auction. Was there a street Daytona that ever did that?
Result here.
http://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscaj/catalogue-id-bscaj10002 (http://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscaj/catalogue-id-bscaj10002)
Jack said he had never seen a superbird restored like this . it looked like it just came out of the factory. all NOS parts . he said it would go for over 500k . i said, no way! i guess i was wrong :cheers:
I had forgotten that the white Hemi automatic went for B-J 2014 at 550 with fees. Half a million for a Superbird is a lot of beer and pizza.
the guy that bought the car has someone that wants to buy it from him already and there was an internet bidder that was pissed that he missed the bidding . WOW! maybe mopar prices are going up again . the hemi cuda went for $375.000 in pieces
Formerly owned by Steve Juliano the superbird was dubbed the pizza delivery vehicle
http://www.megahosted.com/gallery/album616/P6040194
:popcrn:
Wow, what a mad crazy world. :o
As a taxpayer, I am glad that the government (us) got as much money as possible if someone stole from all of us.
As someone interested in cars, it looks like a really nicely done car. A past owner, Juliano, has a stellar reputation as someone who leaves no stone unturned in achieving a correct restoration. In that respect it should go for a high dollar.
As someone who owns 2 Tor-red cars, and has owned a 3rd, the color is my favorite on a Superbird, but I wouldn't mind having a Blue Fire Metallic or Vit-C either. Not goofy gang-garine-what was the Melissa Tomei movie where she has to sell the green car, even though I really appreciate it as a color of its time? Not White- really a base color at the time for a custom paint job. And not Lemon twist which was not nearly as good a color as the 1971 Plymouth Curious Yellow-one of the best Mopar colors of all time. The Tor-red is a classic high visibility color of the era. And really for me the difference in numbers of Superbirds painted is not that different except Root Beer and Corporate Blue.
Amazing.
http://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscaj/catalogue-id-bscaj10002
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Lot: 1
1970 Ford Mustang, BOSS 429 2dr Sportsroof Coupe 8-Cyl 429cid/375hp 4bbl Odometer Reading: 21,038 miles
Auction closed
Closing bid: 265,000 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 2
1967 Ford Mustang, Shelby GT 500 2dr Fastback Coupe 8-Cyl. 428cid/355hp 2x4bbl Odometer Reading: 51,765 miles
Auction closed
Closing bid: 170,000 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 3
1970 Chevrolet Chevelle Malibu Convertible Upgraded to L89 SS 396 Engine w/ Aluminum Heads & Su ...[more]
Auction closed
Closing bid: 70,000 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 4
1969 Chevrolet Yenko Nova Fully Documented w/ Build Sheet & Certification From Yenko Historian V ...[more]
Auction closed
Closing bid: 400,000 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 5
1969 Chevrolet Yenko Camaro Sold New at Jack Douglas Chevrolet & Listed In the Yenko Registry ...[more]
Auction closed
Closing bid: 315,000 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 6
1969 Chevrolet Yenko Chevelle Sold New at Yenko Chevrolet with Excellent Original Paperwork 2dr Hardtop Coupe 8-Cyl. 427cid/425hp 4bbl L72 4 Speed Transmission Odometer Reading: 18,797 miles ...[more]
Auction closed
Closing bid: 237,500 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 7
1970 Plymouth Hemi Superbird Hardtop Coupe 8-Cyl. 426cid/425hp 2x4bbl Hemi Odometer Reading: 63,481 miles
Auction closed
Closing bid: 575,000 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 8
1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 LS6 V8 Documented from Original Build Sheet, Which Comes with The ...[more]
Auction closed
Closing bid: 155,000 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 9
1971 Plymouth Hemi 'Cuda (mid-restoration) 2dr Hardtop Sport Coupe 8-Cyl. Hemi Stage III 426c
Auction closed
Closing bid: 347,500 USD
Sale location: On site
Quote from: nascarxx29 on September 07, 2014, 12:56:34 PM
No to long ago there was another guy in Staten Island NY had a massive collection. I think Joe Stenella? That might have collection seized
the collection has been sold of in spring.
Joe died this summer. RIP
Carsten
1971 cuda Hemi Stage III :shruggy: what were they saying their ?
Just marketing bs. Maybe there was a Stage III decal that someone put on the valvecovers years ago, who knows?
Quote from: Homerr on September 12, 2014, 11:30:30 PM
Amazing.
http://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscaj/catalogue-id-bscaj10002
Quote
Lot: 1
1970 Ford Mustang, BOSS 429 2dr Sportsroof Coupe 8-Cyl 429cid/375hp 4bbl Odometer Reading: 21,038 miles
Auction closed
Closing bid: 265,000 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 2
1967 Ford Mustang, Shelby GT 500 2dr Fastback Coupe 8-Cyl. 428cid/355hp 2x4bbl Odometer Reading: 51,765 miles
Auction closed
Closing bid: 170,000 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 3
1970 Chevrolet Chevelle Malibu Convertible Upgraded to L89 SS 396 Engine w/ Aluminum Heads & Su ...[more]
Auction closed
Closing bid: 70,000 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 4
1969 Chevrolet Yenko Nova Fully Documented w/ Build Sheet & Certification From Yenko Historian V ...[more]
Auction closed
Closing bid: 400,000 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 5
1969 Chevrolet Yenko Camaro Sold New at Jack Douglas Chevrolet & Listed In the Yenko Registry ...[more]
Auction closed
Closing bid: 315,000 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 6
1969 Chevrolet Yenko Chevelle Sold New at Yenko Chevrolet with Excellent Original Paperwork 2dr Hardtop Coupe 8-Cyl. 427cid/425hp 4bbl L72 4 Speed Transmission Odometer Reading: 18,797 miles ...[more]
Auction closed
Closing bid: 237,500 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 7
1970 Plymouth Hemi Superbird Hardtop Coupe 8-Cyl. 426cid/425hp 2x4bbl Hemi Odometer Reading: 63,481 miles
Auction closed
Closing bid: 575,000 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 8
1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 LS6 V8 Documented from Original Build Sheet, Which Comes with The ...[more]
Auction closed
Closing bid: 155,000 USD
Sale location: On site
Lot: 9
1971 Plymouth Hemi 'Cuda (mid-restoration) 2dr Hardtop Sport Coupe 8-Cyl. Hemi Stage III 426c
Auction closed
Closing bid: 347,500 USD
Sale location: On site
Quote from: nascarxx29 on September 12, 2014, 01:10:00 PM
Formerly owned by Steve Juliano the superbird was dubbed the pizza delivery vehicle
http://www.megahosted.com/gallery/album616/P6040194
I remember a story on the pizza king superbird in one of the mopar mags few years back !! think the pizza guy had a 3 or something , & used them as pizza delivery vehicles ... :popcrn:
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It was MCG that had the story of it as a pizza car.
The fender tag shows J98462 .The buildsheet maybe a typo it looked like J92462
So are the dollar figures for the cars the actual sale price? I'm assuming it was a no reserve auction?
Auction houses typically like to publish prices with their commission added, it makes their results look better.
Quote from: fc7_plumcrazy on September 14, 2014, 06:41:23 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on September 07, 2014, 12:56:34 PM
No to long ago there was another guy in Staten Island NY had a massive collection. I think Joe Stenella? That might have collection seized
the collection has been sold of in spring.
Joe died this summer. RIP
Carsten
Joe was only 59. What was his cause of death?
Stress induced is my guess.
The Joe Stentella story. They were operating a sports betting ring out of a video store in a strip mall. As I recall, one of the news reports stated the video store had only VHS tapes for rent.
http://www.ldnews.com/ci_18200097 (http://www.ldnews.com/ci_18200097)
His obit...
http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Joseph-Stentella&lc=1391&pid=171833396&mid=6057928
The Stentella Collection was a different scam. He was basically a bookie and operated a money laundering/gambling ring out of the pet store he owned in Staten Island, New York....apparently he also really loved animals, hence the pet store. :D
The "Blood Money Collection" (cars seized from David Nicoll) was named accordingly since Nicoll, amassed his fortune by bribing health care providers into prescribing unnecessary blood tests..... he funneled "blood money" through his company, Biodiagnostic Laboratory Services.
Beautiful Hemi 4-speed car with an interesting history and a HUGE price!
I guess I'm just anal, but if I were to pay $500,000+ for a car it would bother the heck out of me every time I sat in the drivers seat and looked at those faded browning, crusty instrument faces, the carpeting looks a little faded too in some spots, maybe just shadows or lighting though.
Why would you restore a car to a "concourse" level and not touch the dash gauges???
:flame:
Oh, and at least peel the decal off of the WalMart battery if you choose to install it in a nice car!
rant off.....
Quote from: 70Sbird on September 16, 2014, 03:32:22 PM
Beautiful Hemi 4-speed car with an interesting history and a HUGE price!
I guess I'm just anal, but if I were to pay $500,000+ for a car it would bother the heck out of me every time I sat in the drivers seat and looked at those faded browning, crusty instrument faces, the carpeting looks a little faded too in some spots, maybe just shadows or lighting though.
Why would you restore a car to a "concourse" level and not touch the dash gauges???
:flame:
Oh, and at least peel the decal off of the WalMart battery if you choose to install it in a nice car!
rant off.....
Agree! That guage cluster would bug me. And the nose seal is on backwards too. All amateur stuff. None are expensive to fix. When you look close, the restoration is not quite as "top shelf" as proclaimed.
Quote from: Aero426 on September 16, 2014, 03:54:08 PM
Agree! And the nose seal is on backwards too. All amateur stuff. None are expensive to fix. But it makes you wonder that the car is not quite as top shelf as proclaimed.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make Doug! There have been some cars (IMO) that have been of much higher quality sell for a lot less.
Anyone notice the N96 on the fender tag? Whats up with that?
N96 was standard on any Plymouth Hemi Car. It is on the tag of all Hemi Superbirds, then wasn't installed on the line.
All the cars at this auction had dings of one nature or the other. Some very seriously flawed. Read the appraisal report. Only the Chevy guy did due diligence with the appraisals, IMHO. There were other flaws with the SB, but hey a well know collector owned it, so it must be right huh? ;)
The disturbing fact is that the Convertible Chevelle SS (really a Malibu) Had fake documentation, re-VIN'd motor and lots of other flaws. The LS-6 also re-VIN'd motor. The Yenko Nova wrong transmission. The Hemi Cuda date code on block was early by 2 years. So....what do you want to believe. Was it re-Vin'd too?
Those prices are correct and no buyers fee applied at this auction. I will say this was a full retail sale. No bargains. NE section of the country so money was available to pay high prices. I am wondering how much buyer remorse the next day. The LS-6 was for sale at a well know dealer in NC on consignment for $120K(probably listed as a real NM car). The marshal's seized it and it sold for $155K with an appraisal that said the motor was re-VIN'd.
The Malibu Convertible, a poorly done conversion to SS went for 70K. The Marshal's had to reclassify this as a tribute after the appraisal came in. I think you can find a real SS convertible for that price. Certainly can get a tribute done better for less.
As far as the Pizza Hemi, the original title was in the data book still open from several owners back. Bought around 1988 used with 62K miles. So it was than used as a Pizza delivery car and gained less than 2K miles through multiple owners and 26 more years???? Or, mileage was really 164K but open titled allowed some changes to be made???? Or you fill in the blank.
It was an eye opener for me, and yes you could buy many of those cars more original and for less right now. Only those Yenko's and the Boss 429 desired the price paid.
There were some significant car collectors that were there that did not bid on any of those cars.
So either Nichols didn't know what he was doing, or the fraud continued and he made the cars look like what they were suppose to be.
So was the superbird BC sheet original, fender tag? What really was the condition of the car when restored? What is the real mileage, is the motor correct? Based on the other cars in this collection, risky business.
The auction was over in about an hour. There was plenty of time between going once and sold. They intentionally slowed it down to allow internet time to respond. Some Auctioneers were on phones also. Several cars got high prices because those in attendance got some extra time to bid after thinking it over.
I do not know anything about the Chevrolets or the Boss 9 at the sale, and I was not there. What I have gleaned is from the pictures and what I have read.
If it was driven 62K miles in the first period of ownership, and then 2K miles over the past 26 years this is entirely plausible. It is also in many ways typical. Could it be 164K miles? Sure.
When the car was at Juliano's in California it was often pictured with no battery. Steve Juliano, bucks up that he is, probably gets as tired of hauling cheap-overpriced reproduction batteries out of his cars as anyone would. I was at the Colorado Grand last week. There did not seem to be an outbreak of correct batteries on cars that were being driven. There did seem to be an outbreak of Fram orange oil filters though. This on cars where the average Ferrari was probably in the 5M-7M range.
The real questions for me would be under the original trunk mat, how was the trunk floor? Where had it been stored all those years? Were parts of the Quarters or Floorpan ever Replaced? I'd knock it down or not knock it down on sheet metal , not the battery. As far as the dash, I don't know what the thinking was, maybe original beat restored there. Nose gasket amateur mistake.
The fender tag has the inspector's stamp. I don't know enough about a good or fake tag to have an opinion. I am curious about the typo from the fender tag to the broadcast sheet. Maybe someone who knows a lot about how they were originally made at the factory in 1969 can actually enlighten us all on how it worked back then?
Steves not a fan of resto batterys.I was up at house in NY the battery vented in the 70 RTS runner.And he had all the baterys out of the cars in a small pile
I found out on my own experience As these battery contract and expand.They vent liquids or fumes
Yes, a car meant to be collected 1800 is ok, but I doubt it was driven as a pizza delivery car and only racked up those miles and remained in original condition. Especially during those IL winters. So what stories and history do you believe? You bring up a good point though. When an appraisal becomes a word of mouth appraisal (because of the previous owner), versus a what do I see appraisal. I was there and did look at the cars, and the documents. I guess time will tell on these cars, if they were over priced, or great investments.
Here is a car a 1960 250GT SWB Berlinetta, I doubt it originally came with these Fram Filters.
I am just guessing here that this particular car's value is not if the correct oil filters are used.
What gets me about muscle cars is the nit picking over something like the battery. Most everyone knows what a NAPA battery looks like. Most everyone also any original 1969 car battery no longer works.
For a Concours d'Elegance, or to get oneself to Pebble Beach, put in the best reproduction battery. For everyday use make sure the car stops, starts and functions. Keep the original AM radio in the trunk if you want FM with I-tunes.
What caught my attention about this car was not the use of Mobil 1, or if the spark plug wires were incorrect.
To me, what is important is; what is the whole history of the specific car (and more minor the car line). I like correct hoses and clamps. I like correct engine and interior details. I'd rather have a battery that works, the reproduction correct one I'll reserve for judging only.
I am not sure if either of these had the correct battery.
I was told that one of them could drive 1000 miles with ease, the other not so much.
Having worked for many years in the collector car auction business I can assure you that high end cars like the ones you mentioned, the batteries are of very little concern to most buyers.
Most auction cars regardless of value come to auction with no fuel in the tank and the cheapest smallest Interstate battery that will fit and that is a fact.