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There was a few old posts, but I didn't want to bump them, so heres a new one...
Its my understanding that Chrysler gave "Big Willy" a couple Daytonas to promote on the street?

The story behind this one is a guy named Gary French bought it out of Big Willy & Tomika's backyard.
Big Willy also had "The King Daytona", which as legend goes, he had acid dipped a few too many times, and he had "The Queen Daytona", which Tomika, his girlfriend raced.

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j229/adam-katy/P5220069.jpg)
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j229/adam-katy/big_willy.jpg)

Same car in this ad? The Hooker & the Milodon decal look about the same?
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j229/adam-katy/a5413b10.jpg)

Anybody shed any light on this?

The one on the trailer is the backup car.  The one in the ad is probably the original King Daytona.  I had never heard any story before about Chrysler giving the cars to him.  Anything is possible but it seems a little suspect when you consider that Big Willie's notoriety came from the fact that he was the president of a group that did exactly what it says on the door of that car.  The "STREET" Racers of Los Angeles.

the story i heard and it is probably was mentioned in the last thread ,Big Willie had three DAYTONAS  2 were HEMI cars & one was a 440 the 440 DAYTONA is the only one left , the two HEMI cars were destroyed in the 70's, and i think the red DAYTONA in two lane black top is the DAYTONA in the picture on the trailer ,just painted another color :scratchchin:

This is one of his "wing cars"...

Seems like I remember reading that he towed the race car daytona with a similar looking daytona and that the tow car is the one that survived.
Might be wrong, my memory is lousy nowadays.

the 2 lane blktop daytona which was one of big willys also has the ford thunderbolt tear drop hood as well-MATT, so maybe that is the car, is that one a 4-spd?

also the one in 2 lane blktop had no rear bumper-MATT

  An article in a Mopar magazine years ago had an interview with "BIG' Willy and he said the Queen Daytona was destroyed in a race and stripped and given to a local farmer. The king daytona was messed up by his acid dipping as stated before. Then they used alot of the parts and made the current ride which I think is a 66 barracuda. He had a another Daytona that I think was a 440 car but was mostly stock and could be the car pictured but not the king daytona.I think he got a good deal on the Daytonas like dealer price but hardly free.
  If I ever made a Daytona clone it would be of the King Daytona!

the king daytona was a ev2 hemi orange 426 hemi w/ 4-spd and american racing 200s ,minus rear bumper,add teardrop hood scoop and speed stickers correct?-MATT

It was, but the HEMI was a stroker with a tunnel ram intake..a Pro stock motor of the day.

The other stuff is obvious.

If I'm not mistaken the Daytona in Two lane Blacktop is F6 green. Its been a while since I've watched the movie but I do know that is it for a fact Big Willies Daytona in the movie. It is the one that was acid dipped not too long after that and lost.

The 440 car is an interesting car in its own right. I saw that car about 2 years ago. when I went to look at a 440 4 speed Daytona that Gary was selling. I missed out on the car by a few hours. Another couple from Indiana got there before I did and puchsed the car on sight, about 2 hours before I got there. They were still there when i arrived but the deal had been struck.

no 69500 the car is most definitely ev2 hemi orange-MATT

watched 2 lane black top last night,the orange  daytona had modified rear wheel well openings & a tear drop hood scoop

Its a orange .And the 440 daytona that was big willys car.That Gary F currently retains that tear drop hood

did anybody catch what rims were on the car in 2 lane blktop? in the ad they are american racing 200s like the main 55 chevy has-MATT

Never really paid that much attention to it, figured it would be set up identical to all the pictures of Big Willies cars.

definitely a mean looking daytona :yesnod:, would love to have the king if it were still around-MATT

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/th_BIG_WILLIE.jpg) (http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/BIG_WILLIE.jpg)

Who wouldn't want a HEMI Daytona?

So did the KING daytona look like the one in the first post or was it painted different?

Does anyone have better shots of this car?

Thanks

Tom

I am Gary French, the owner of Big Willies last existing Daytona, When I bought the car from Big Willie and Tomiko, Willie told me the car had never been raced, but the floor above the pinion snubber area has been BLOWN OUT and the X brace broken from the package tray, then rewelded and braced with a piece of 1/4 inch 2 inch wide bar stock, welded to the floor, I know as well as anyone who has had a high horsepower Mopar, that just doesn't happen with a basicly stock 440 and an automatic with a stock converter, I always figured Willie did the old switcharoo and installed one of the Kieth Black Built Hemis and clutchflite transmissions, the floor tells a story along with the fact the bolts that hold the brake pedal assembly in have some rounded edges and the plug for the clutch linkage has been removed and has witness marks of something rubbing in and out of it, then my thoughts were confirmed this weekend while I had the car at the Hot Rod Reunion, areal nice fellow told me he was in California from 1974 to 1979 and can remember my car runnning at Big Willies track from mid 74 to 78, he said it had a Pro Stock Style HEMI and a Clutchflite and was one of the fastest Street Style cars at the track, I asked him if he was positive about the years and he WAS POSITIVE, now let me add a couple more details The Queen Daytona was crashed in 1973, the King Daytona was acid dipped too much in late 1971  early 1972, Big willie told me Kieth BLack had freshened my 440 and put it back in my car around 1979 and it was parked after that, around this same time The Police Daytona ( 1966 Barracuda with Wing and NOSE) was built as thier all out race car ....

Was this car raced ?   I think so...

Does the car have the hood from the car in Two Lane Blacktop ?  Yes

Is it the King or Queen Daytona ? No,  it was called   Duke and Dutchess Daytona

Did Big Willie Run 200s or Torq Thrust ?  He used Magnesium Torq Thrust the ONLY time the car had 200s was for the photo shoot for American Racing

Is my car the car in Two Lane or The American Racing Wheel ad ?   NO, but I wish it was

Glad to see your posting on the site now.

Welcome, and looking forward to more post by you.

shit man thing is a beauty, can u take some close ups of the quarters and fenders of how the stickers are placed,and also did big willy give you any pics of the car back in the day or maybe of what the queen daytona looked like?, i dont think there are any existing photos floating around the net of the queen, can you help me out?-MATT

I have a very large collection of Big Willie and Tomiko memorbilia, I have picture of all the cars during different stages, except for mine I have one magazine that has a Small picture of it back in its hay day... I would buy copies of any Personal picture of any BIG WILLIE CARS, anyone may have out there that maybe they took at some tracks, one of the coolest things I have is a Mopar Promo sheet with Big Wille poring Bleach under the Tires of The King Daytona and Tomiko is getting ready to do a burnout, doing the burnout and then getting Ready to Knock Dyno Dons head off at the Chrismas Tree..

why should you need help since you can build a fiberglass daytona front clip in a weekend?..  :yesnod:
be sure to post pics kid.

any and all pics of the king,queen and this dutchess daytona are wanted my email is
G-UNOT89@hotmail.com, greatly apreciated-MATT

also what is the interior like in your big willy daytona? stock or does it have guages,race seats etc.?-MATT, and oh my last question for a while, but what size rim and tire combo are you running?

It has 15x4 torq thrust on the front with 7.10 Moroso Tires and 15x10 Torq Thrust on the rear, they have 3.5 backspacing and I have a 29.5 x 10.5 tire, the tread actually measures 11.25,  The interior is stock except the Rear Seat is GONE, it has some 70 and up Mopar High Back Bucket with some funky Bunt Orange inserts, a REAL SMALL Custom three spoke steering wheel, a Bent Turn Signal Arm for extra leg room For Willie...

Great to have you in the forum.  It would be great if you could scan some of the pictures.  THAT is a great part of histrory  Mr. French.

I saw your name when you joined so I bumped this thread up to get your attention,  I see it did...

Tom

Can you shed any light on the rumour about Chrysler giving the cars to Big Willie?

Gary,
glad you made it to our forum. Thanks for letting me take a bunch of pictures of your car. I shot a 180 pictures with the digital saturday at Bowling Green and will have them today. I still cant believe some idiot walked behind me and thought it was the joe dirt car. Enjoyed seeing the car and whatever restoration you do to it will be fine.

Welcome Mr. French, that is one hell of a car you have there  :yesnod:
I'm curious as to how you acquired it? Was it advertised? Word of mouth? Again, just curious  ???

I was going to point out the "Superbird" mix-up from Byron's site, but it looks like you took care of it :lol:

http://www.gassermadness.com/visitorscars/French/index.htm

Oh yeah, more pics, please?  :angel:

The only picture Ive seen on the web for that daytona is this one.I might have 2 other pictures of daytonas he previously owned.As seen on this trailer.I have another picture of his bronze daytona

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/1969_DAYTONA_Trailer.jpg)


(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/1969_DAYTONA_GREEN_trailer.jpg)

Quote from: Ghoste on June 19, 2006, 11:43:37 PM
Can you shed any light on the rumour about Chrysler giving the cars to Big Willie?

Chrysler DID give Big WIllie the King Daytona/ Hemi 4 spd car that is in the advertisement and in Two Lane Blacktop

The Queen Daytona was ordered by some Comedian/actor but he decided he didn't want it, Big Willie and Tomiko bought it for a Song from Warren Fox Dodge, Willies Conection with Chrysler got him that car REAL CHEAP, it was F6 Green, white interior, AM/8track, and Power windows Hemi/ automatic...

My car was sold new at Cherry Hill Dodge in New Jersey, I don't really know How Big Willie came up with it

A neat little fact is the am/8track that was in the Queen Daytona is in my car today, and the Hood + Wing are the off of the King Daytona when it was in Two Lane Blacktop

I don't really have alot of pictures on my Computer of the car, or the stuff I have collected on Big Willie but I will take care of that and Post so many you guys will get sick of seeing it..

As Cherry Hill is in NJ and Big Willie car ended with the car up in California.????

Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 20, 2006, 08:04:04 AM
As Cherry Hill is in NJ and Big Willie car ended with the car up in California.????

That is correct, he never really told me how he came up with a car, that was sold new in New Jersey, I will ask him the next time I talk to him.

I asked the guys at cherry hill triplex as it called now .For somepaperwork invoices etc on any old mopars .Incase the car was dealer traded.I also recall from my records AKA stbasher  Ktfo racing had a bronze daytona though I didnt record its vin.Or know its current condition or whereabouts.I still search all over for more info for my records but .I did find a wanted superbird posting stbasher that uses ktfo racings email




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I am looking to buy ANY Superbird project cars, no matter how bad or incomplete, if it is a BIRD I am interested, drivetrain Doesn't Matter, the more complete the body the better, I am wanting to build a Period style car so I dont really want anything Done or super nice.. Thanks Gary 270 945 929, or ktforacing@aol.com 

I am Stbasher, the T7 Bronze Daytona is in the north/eastern part of Ky and is in the middle of being completley restored ... I have a copy of the Title before I transferred it, and I will see if I can find the info.. I can't remember if it was it or the F6 green car I had that was only two digits from my Big Willie Daytona

so as u were stating with the interior it has those halloween 71 charger seats orange/black, but does the interior have a tach or aftermarket guages anywhere or is it all stock?-MATT

Im not sure if I have any pictures of the king and quuen hemi daytona in my wingcar collection.I did recall someone in the wingcar club had the buildsheet for the king hemi daytona.King car was acid dipped to beyond .and the Queen daytona was crashed.And has yet to surface in any form.the only archive Ive located for that period was a street racers jacket.The only addition info I had on the king and queen hemi daytonas are this.XX29J9B356523 Hemi orange J number J926023 with a build date very early for a daytona 427 =April 27 and it sold new in Dallas TX.The Queen daytona F6 green is XX29J9B356525 sold new from Earl  Lee Dodge in California J number J926025.Also a 427 built car

 can someone explain the acid dipped thing to me?. What they do?. Put it in a tank and go have a beer?..  :cheers:

Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 20, 2006, 06:06:39 PM
Im not sure if I have any pictures of the king and quuen hemi daytona in my wingcar collection.I did recall someone in the wingcar club had the buildsheet for the king hemi daytona.King car was acid dipped to beyond .and the Queen daytona was crashed.And has yet to surface in any form.the only archive Ive located for that period was a street racers jacket.The only addition info I had on the king and queen hemi daytonas are this.XX29J9B356523 Hemi orange J number J926023 with a build date very early for a daytona 427 =April 27 and it sold new in Dallas TX.The Queen daytona F6 green is XX29J9B356525 sold new from Earl  Lee Dodge in California J number J926025.Also a 427 built car

My car is VIN#  356535

Quote from: Brock Samson on June 20, 2006, 07:10:54 PM
can someone explain the acid dipped thing to me?. What they do?. Put it in a tank and go have a beer?..  :cheers:

Acid Dipping was a common  practice by all the top racing teams of the late 60s early 70s, what they basicly did was put the car, or parts, into a huge tank of acids, it would slowly eat away the metal evenly from inside  and out, so if the acid ate away half the thickness then the car or parts would wiegh half as much... I wish I knew somewhere that I could get it done now, I would have my Street Race car done..

so the charger ended up like these?..  :-\

http://www.record-producer.com/i/ripped-jeans1.jpg

Quote from: Brock Samson on June 20, 2006, 10:26:29 PM
so the charger ended up like these?..  :-\

http://www.record-producer.com/i/ripped-jeans1.jpg

Yeah, but it DIDN'T look that good when it was done..

My wingcar records showed the 2 hemi daytonas of Big Willies as XX29J9B356523 and XX29J9B356525.Will have to look it up again.And double check that information

The vin for the daytona that sold from Cherry Hill Dodge is [[[XX29L9B356[535]]]] is a L code 440 4 barrel car with a April 27 AKA 427 build date J numbe 926071 and is a Automatic V2 orange car


I had also noticed in a old car magazine wheel ad that the 1 big willie car.Had WARREN FOX motors Upland CA on a decal on the car.After looking through the daytona shipment list .I didnt recall seeing Warren Fox Dodge .Maybe he sponsored or provided services to Big Willies car

Quote from: 262chargers on June 20, 2006, 06:23:41 AM
Welcome Mr. French, that is one hell of a car you have there  :yesnod:
I'm curious as to how you acquired it? Was it advertised? Word of mouth? Again, just curious  ???

I was going to point out the "Superbird" mix-up from Byron's site, but it looks like you took care of it :lol:

http://www.gassermadness.com/visitorscars/French/index.htm

Thanks for the comments on the Daytona,   I have been and still am a HUGE FAN OF Big WIllie Robinson and Tomiko  I have been since I was 11/12 years old, when Mopar Collectors Guide did the article on Big Willie and they had his old phone number at the end of the article, with that number I called Willie Several times a month, with no luck but I was such a fan I liked listening to the message on the answering machine, then one day I get a call and on the other end was BIG WILLIE, I thought someone was messing with me, I joined the club, and kept in contact with Willie, about 8 years ago I went to California for 10 days, 7 of those I spent running around with Willie and Tomiko, he showed me his cars and I asked if the Daytona was for sale, it was in his back yard, against the fence and beside his pool, HE SAID NOOOOOOO, I will never sell that car it is the last of my Daytonas.. Fast forward 4 years later I am getting ready to deliver a couple cars out west and call Willie and ask if he knows where any Wing Car Projects are for sale, I figured since he owned a Daytona maybe others had told him about cars, He said NOOOOO, Then after a pause he ask how much $$$$$$ you talking about, I told him, and he said I need some money for Permits and Legal stuff trying to reopen the Brotherhood Raceway,Then he said  Dont tell anyone else because I won't sell it to anyone else but since I was such a big fan, a club member, and kept in touch with him he said I could buy his car, I about passed out, got my head straight, next day aired a Certified Check, and was digging it out of his Back yard three days later... That is How I bought Big Willies Daytona...  It is my most prized car I have ever owned, including 4 other Wing Cars, Max Wedge Cars, an AAR Cuda, and several other Mopars, I have been approached many times to sell the car, but Someone would have to GO CRAZY and Offer more money than would even make sence, I have collected Big Willie stuff since age 12 and I feel as I have the Biggest piece of Big Willie Memorbilia out there.... My Greatest Enjoyment with the car is when it brings someone else enjoyment, two years ago I had the car at the Hot Rod reunion and an Older Guy, that lived in LA back in the early mid 70s, and was involved in the Street Race scene, back then, stood beside my car and Cried when he saw the car and Thanked me about 200 times for bringing the car and keeping it exactly the way I bought it... That brought me more enjoyment than having the car itself..

Another Picture

Another

and one of the Helmets they used back when they ran in the early 70s

man that car  right there and its history is nothing short of the definition of COOL

And just so you know, I truly doubt you could post so many pictures of those cars that we'd get sick of seeing them.  We already have a sickness here and all you'd be doing is feeding our disease. :icon_smile_big:

Very cool story, its awesome that you have kept the car as-is, it is one of the baddest-ass cars with one of the baddest-ass histories a car could have, thank you for preserving the history! And thank you for the pictures, we NEED more more more!  :yesnod:  :2thumbs:

wouldn't it be cool to see that car next to the landy car!?..  :icon_smile_big:
BTW:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/board,4/topic,14671.6.html#msg169991

Quote from: WilliesDaytona on June 21, 2006, 12:55:05 AM
Another Picture

wow  awesome stuff , thanks for sharing the pictures :scope:                        :thumbs:

Keep the pictures coming. Really enjoying them on this end.

yeah man im lovin the pics would love to see some of the king car tho , the queen not so much as it wasnt as xtreme as the king , but since i have no clue what the queen tona looks liek it would be neat to see and hear some info on it as well-MATT

Quote from: F8 69 CHARGER PUNK on June 21, 2006, 08:53:25 PM
yeah man im lovin the pics would love to see some of the king car tho , the queen not so much as it was as xtreme as the king , but since i have no clue what the queen tona looks liek it would be neat to see and hear some info on it as well-MATT

Honestly the Queen Daytona ended up being the Fastest of all three car, it ended up with a gutted interior, One piece lift off front end, and the Kieth Black built HEMI with a Clutchflite, I think the Queen was The most thought out and Best Built Daytona in Big Willies Stable, the King Daytona is what put him on the Map with Mopar lovers and is the Legend car he had, but it also was a Stock Daytona with a Nasty engine and Trans at the time of Two Lane Blacktop and The American racing wheel ad, Pretty much the same way mine sets except the Nasty engine part, then he Gutted it and cut all the extra wieght he could but it really wasn't that Nice of a car when he was running it, the Queen reminded me more of a Pro Stocker, of the era, Dressed as a Daytona..
  Don't get me wrong I would Love to have the King Daytona, and I am not downgrading it, or talking bad about it, in any way, things Progress, That is the way it is, and it didn't skip Big Willie and Tomiko, if compared I would say the Queen Daytona was like a 1972 Pro Stock car, and The King Daytona was like, WELL, exactly what it was, An Early 70s BAD ASS STREET RACE CAR..

Quote from: F8 69 CHARGER PUNK on June 20, 2006, 12:00:28 PM
so as u were stating with the interior it has those halloween 71 charger seats orange/black, but does the interior have a tach or aftermarket guages anywhere or is it all stock?-MATT

It doesn't have any Halloween seats, they have been recovered with some custom style stuff, it has the factory tach and there are screw holes in the bottom of the dash where it looks like a two gage bracket was at one time..

Another picture or two from last weekend

One more, If you look at the leading edge of my hood you can see the EV2 Orange from when it was on the King Daytona and the F6 green Metalic from when it was on the Queen Daytona..

is that a steel hood or a glass hood?

im just wondering but could u take some pics on the interior? Also have you scanned any pics of the king and the queen cars yet??? ;D any or all of th pics stated would be wonderful-MATT

The winged car club have this  daytona recorded as being a actual V2 hemi orange

Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 22, 2006, 05:16:17 PM
The winged car club have this  daytona recorded as being a actual V2 hemi orange

It's either that or R4.  If you look around the headlight buckets and scoops, you can see remnants of its previous hue.  I was thinking maybe R4 since the color looks slightly off from the V2 peeking out on the hood - I could be wrong though...

that is such a cool daytona.

Did Big Willie get the Brotherhood racepark reopened? :icon_smile_question:I know he had been trying for a few years to do so.......

Hi, just wanted to say as my first post that the Big Willie American Racing Wheels advert had a huge influence on me as a kid in England in the 70`s. I own 6 Mopars now, five of which run American Racing Wheels; The power of advertising! As its their anniversary they should re-issue that poster. Am loving the information and pictures of Big Willies cars; Dude, you are such a fortunate guy to own that car. Best of luck to you and to Big Willie......

Welcome to the site, TiMopar!

Your next official action should be to post some pictures of those Mopars!!...   :P   :wave:

I'm not quite sure how I missed this thread this whole time, but...


THIS IS FRIGGIN' COOL!!! :boogie:




Thanks so much for sharing that cool story & pics! :cheers:

Quote from: hemigeno on August 01, 2006, 11:57:38 AM
Welcome to the site, TiMopar!

Your next official action should be to post some pictures of those Mopars!!...   :P   :wave:

Thankyou Geno. Always intersted in your posts and knowledge.  No photos yet, will try and address that soon. Have no Wingcars, though a Daytona has always been my Dreamcar....;
XS29L8 ( SS-1, 4-Speed )
WS23L9 ( EF8, A33, N96 )
RS23U0 ( EV2, A33, N96 )
RM23V0 ( TX9, A32, N96 )
BS23J0 ( FJ6, D32 )
JS23V1 ( FY1, A34, N96, A78 )

Quote from: TiMopar on August 02, 2006, 08:38:08 AM

Quote from: hemigeno on August 01, 2006, 11:57:38 AM
Welcome to the site, TiMopar!

Your next official action should be to post some pictures of those Mopars!!...   :P   :wave:

Thankyou Geno. Always intersted in your posts and knowledge.  No photos yet, will try and address that soon. Have no Wingcars, though a Daytona has always been my Dreamcar....;
XS29L8 ( SS-1, 4-Speed )
WS23L9 ( EF8, A33, N96 )
RS23U0 ( EV2, A33, N96 )
RM23V0 ( TX9, A32, N96 )
BS23J0 ( FJ6, D32 )
JS23V1 ( FY1, A34, N96, A78 )

NO WING CARS BUT A HEMI CUDA?  Heck I would take one of those any day!!!!!!! :yesnod:  Looks to be some nice other numbers in there too, RR, and charger.  WOW NICE COLLECTION!!!!!!!!!! :icon_smile_cool:

Quote from: Blown70 on August 02, 2006, 08:44:47 AM

NO WING CARS BUT A HEMI CUDA?  Heck I would take one of those any day!!!!!!! :yesnod:  Looks to be some nice other numbers in there too, RR, and charger.  WOW NICE COLLECTION!!!!!!!!!! :icon_smile_cool:

:iagree: We need some pics of those babies! :drool5:

Quote from: CHARGER_FAN on August 02, 2006, 10:58:50 AM

Quote from: Blown70 on August 02, 2006, 08:44:47 AM

NO WING CARS BUT A HEMI CUDA?  Heck I would take one of those any day!!!!!!! :yesnod:  Looks to be some nice other numbers in there too, RR, and charger.  WOW NICE COLLECTION!!!!!!!!!! :icon_smile_cool:

:iagree: We need some pics of those babies! :drool5:

                            :iagree:  need to see some pictures  :yesnod:  :scope: :popcrn:    especially the SS1 charger         :drool5:

Quote from: Blown70 on August 02, 2006, 08:44:47 AM

Quote from: TiMopar on August 02, 2006, 08:38:08 AM

Quote from: hemigeno on August 01, 2006, 11:57:38 AM
Welcome to the site, TiMopar!

Your next official action should be to post some pictures of those Mopars!!...   :P   :wave:

Thankyou Geno. Always intersted in your posts and knowledge.  No photos yet, will try and address that soon. Have no Wingcars, though a Daytona has always been my Dreamcar....;
XS29L8 ( SS-1, 4-Speed )
WS23L9 ( EF8, A33, N96 )
RS23U0 ( EV2, A33, N96 )
RM23V0 ( TX9, A32, N96 )
BS23J0 ( FJ6, D32 )
JS23V1 ( FY1, A34, N96, A78 )

NO WING CARS BUT A HEMI CUDA?  Heck I would take one of those any day!!!!!!! :yesnod:  Looks to be some nice other numbers in there too, RR, and charger.  WOW NICE COLLECTION!!!!!!!!!! :icon_smile_cool:

Sorry to disappoint, but no Hemis either; its an AAR. Think it would be an`R` for Hemi ( had to check tho`! )....

OK UR right, I am not that old but I am losing my mind.  Sorry my mistake. :rotz:

I WOULD STILL LOVE THE AAR THOUGH....... to me more than a HEMI as the guy I used to show with had one.  I LOVE THOSE CARS :icon_smile_cool:

Back to the subject in hand! With thanks to Marcus and Mike

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Neat article, thanks for posting that!  Which magazine/issue is that from?

Quote from: hemigeno on August 03, 2006, 01:06:09 PM
Neat article, thanks for posting that!  Which magazine/issue is that from?

:iagree:  intresting stuff , never seen that article before

Great reading. And I'll third the question and ask what magazine that article is from.

Interesting stuff.

Quote from: hemigeno on August 03, 2006, 01:06:09 PM
Neat article, thanks for posting that!  Which magazine/issue is that from?

Sorry Guys, I have no idea. I was given a copy years back from a friend in Canada, if I remember correctly.  If you look closely Im sure you can see Elvis` head as the `I` on `King Daytona`....

this is great stuff...
welcome!  ;)

Cool article.  The story on the Queen Daytona appears to be from Popular Hot Rodding.

I just noticed how far back that seat & shifter are in that first pic! :o I guess Big Willie really is a pretty big guy, huh?

Hey Guys............can anyone answer my question about the Brotherhood dragway?....Did it re-open or not?

What's the Int. on the car look like now?..
i'll go see.. if it's posted in the pics..

can anyone decipher what it says down the sides of the wings? my guess is '' new breed of brotherhood'' , but i could be wrong, any help would be appreciated, also have u noticed the king daytona went from a black wing to a white one?-MATT


also:  does it say ''african elephant'' on the thunderbolt hood scoop???, my visions ok but if anyone can tell me differents its all good with me

And of the pic of the queen daytona in the background, can anyone make out what it says besides the big ''KEITH BLACK'' decal? looks to be in handwriting. and another question on the queen is the rear wheel well flared a little?

another  question for awhile does anyone remember what that big square decal is under '''TOMIKA'' in the pic of the king daytona at the strip????

And my last question is what does it say ''street racing inc.''?? all i can make out is batoul???? international

any help on any of my many questions would be swell ;D-MATT

Quote from: B5 BLUE CHARGER PUNK on August 10, 2006, 06:42:09 PM
can anyone decipher what it says down the sides of the wings? my guess is '' new breed of brotherhood''

"New Breed of Brotherhood is exactly what it says.  That was the club motto, according to the American Racing advertisement.

Quote from: B5 BLUE CHARGER PUNK on August 10, 2006, 06:42:09 PM
also have u noticed the king daytona went from a black wing to a white one?-MATT

Yep.  Did you notice that the "New Breed of Brotherhood" lettering was only masked off when they painted the wing from black to white?

Quote from: B5 BLUE CHARGER PUNK on August 10, 2006, 06:42:09 PM

also:  does it say ''african elephant'' on the thunderbolt hood scoop???, my visions ok but if anyone can tell me differents its all good with me

Yes, that's what it says.  You'll also notice that the same hood that was on the earlier pictures of the King Daytona at the strip was later installed on the Queen Daytona that we see in the article picture, and then ends up on the yellow car that this thread started off discussing.  My guess is that if Gary stripped it down, there might be some evidence on the teardrop sides of "African Elephant" lettering under all the layers of paint.

Quote from: B5 BLUE CHARGER PUNK on August 10, 2006, 07:06:21 PM
And of the pic of the queen daytona in the background, can anyone make out what it says besides the big ''KEITH BLACK'' decal? looks to be in handwriting.

It reads "Keith Black Racing Engines"

Quote from: B5 BLUE CHARGER PUNK on August 10, 2006, 07:06:21 PM
and another question on the queen is the rear wheel well flared a little?

Pretty common modification back in the day, and done to cover the big tire/wheel combination they were running.  They flared the quarterpanels out rather than narrowing the axle and tubbing the wheelwells.  You can tell in other pictures that the King Daytona's tires come right out to the edge of the quarterpanel flares.

Quote from: B5 BLUE CHARGER PUNK on August 10, 2006, 07:06:21 PM
another  question for awhile does anyone remember what that big square decal is under '''TOMIKA'' in the pic of the king daytona at the strip????

I have not a clue...

Quote from: B5 BLUE CHARGER PUNK on August 10, 2006, 07:06:21 PM
And my last question is what does it say ''street racing inc.''?? all i can make out is batoul???? international

It says "National and International"

:cheers:

Geno

thanx a bunch geno ;D im writing all this down in a notebook b4 i 4get or this site goes down again( i hope it never will)-MATT

Gene have you managed to have a lot of free time lately? JK.

Quote from: 69_500 on August 11, 2006, 10:46:36 AM
Gene have you managed to have a lot of free time lately? JK.

I can afford the extra free time with the DC.com Moderator's paycheck I get...   ;)

Actually, I was still at work when I replied to Matt's questions.  It was a nice break for a few minutes from the "real" work at hand here at the office.

apparently big willy had these stickers on his car that were '' kill stickers'' against companys like phord and chebby, anyone know what these looked like,maybe draw a pic of one in photoshop in paint or maybe scan a mag article with a pic of it,any or all info would be helpful-MATT

if it is the ones I'm thinking of , i was reading about these kill stickers in a old mopar mag , you could originally buy them through MR NORM at grandspaulding   , i believe these are being re popped by someone.  they were like little tomb stones with  ford / chevy etc on it with a red cross through it

if anyone here owns 2 lane blacktop on dvd could you plz use that program and post up a few screen shots of the daytona in the beginning scenes of the movie, greatly appreciated-MATT

Gary I told you I was looking for info on the Big Willy O0 cars. I found this site tonight and see you put some of my photos on here from Bowling Green. To everyone else I met Gary there in Bowling Green for the first time and we (in my opinion) became good friends that weekend. I am glad to see everyone here is enjoying the photos (some of which contain my Chevy II) and I want to share a couple more here with everyone. As Gary said he has a copy of the title that Big Willy signed and I have a photo of that copy that I will share here as well as a photo of the damage done to the floors of Gary's car as he mentioned earlier in one of his posts. I also have a shot or two of the King Daytona from Two-Lane Blacktop. :drive:. I will look and see what else I can dig up as well to share here with everyone. Oh and to answer the question about Big Willy re-opening the track I tried to call him a couple times this week (to ask about me getting together with him to dicuss the old street racing) and I got his voice mail which on it Willy says the track will be open in a few weeks.

Scott"Rabbit"

The two lane Blacktop photo. If you look real close the radius on the quarter panel is more square than the American ad.

Scott "Rabbit"

more intresting pictures  thanks for posting :2thumbs:

Here are a couple more photos that I took in Bowling Green. Someone asked what it said on the side of the wing and here is the photo that I took of the wing and n edited version that appears like a negative that makes it a little easier to read. It does appear to me to read "New breed of Brotherhood".

Scott

man as nice as that big willy car is, it is rusty, u see those holes??? i mean no offence as no matter what it is a great looking car, but gary do u ever have plans to restore to as-raced condition???-MATT

Yeah it is Rusty, it sat outside beside Big Willies Swimming pool for 25+ years,  I have NO PLANS to Restore the car, at this time, but I do plan on having the rust around the back window fixed and replacing the rear window trim...

Leave it the way it is, contain the rust, repair that but leave the rest of it as is. Thats just my opinion though.

whenever i see that footage of the daytona at night i get chills... i just dont get no better then a hemi DAYTONA~  :yesnod:

yeah it is pretty sweet footage of the car burning out and then backing up, then just hammering the gas to race that lime green chevelle-MATT

Does anyone have color pictures of the Queen Daytona after it was painted with the Dick Landy paint scheme ??  I have some very rare pictures of the car but none are in color...

Quote from: B5 BLUE CHARGER PUNK on August 15, 2006, 10:30:14 PM
yeah it is pretty sweet footage of the car burning out and then backing up, then just hammering the gas to race that lime green chevelle-MATT

Unfortunately, that is the best part of the movie.  It's all downhill from there.

Its hard to top a HEMI Daytona. I mean its in the very begining of the movie, the only reason to watch the rest of the movie is to see if it reappers, but after you know it doesn't I just shut it off.

personally that movie is boring as hell 2 me,liek sure there is one scene of an s/s cuda hammerin dow nthe track,but after that a couple of dudes and some hitchhiking skank cruising against soem drunk in a gto with their primer 55 chebb just dont cut it 4 me-MATT

To each their own.  I love the movie.  Even the fact that it is kind of pointless.
There is another Charger in it, a 70, about 2/3 through it.

Quote from: Ghoste on August 17, 2006, 03:49:46 AM
To each their own.  I love the movie.  Even the fact that it is kind of pointless.
There is another Charger in it, a 70, about 2/3 through it.

                    :iagree: :yesnod:  a white 70  /   "  is one of them dodge chargers  let him go by !  not today "  .   also there is a red 69 with a black top  & white steel wheels on the rear at the drag strip   ,

alot of folks dont appreciate BULLETT either,..  :rotz:
their loss,.  I say...

See now i like Bullitt, but Two lane Blacktop was good the first time I watched it, but after that I tend to just wanna see the Daytona part then shut it off.

Just my opinion though.

yeah bullits a boring movie, but the charger is spread throughout it, at the hospital , parked,then the big chase i rented 2lb and watched the daytona scene and soem drag scenes and thought 2 myself, why did iwanna rent this movie so bad?-MATT

My favorite car movie is DLCM.

u mean ''DMCL'' as in dirty mary crazy larry with that citron yella 69 charger r/t

Quote from: B5 BLUE CHARGER PUNK on August 17, 2006, 10:22:46 PM
u mean ''DMCL'' as in dirty mary crazy larry with that citron yella 69 charger r/t

Is it? I thought it was like a lime green.

somewhere in between, see the re-mastered copy on dvd and it looks alot more yellow then it does green, btw that colour was a factory dodge colour in 71-MATT

In the movie though, they refer to it as green and as yellow so I think the color was one of those ones that just sits perfectly between the two.

Did anyone see the episode of Dream Car Garage, where they are at a track in Northern CA. with a  bunch of early Pro Stockers ? There is a VERY QUICK shot of the Queen Daytona making a pass. Just thought I would Pass it on..

on speed vision?

YES

it looked kinda blue ,not really green at all-MATT

Yeah, that is because, they painted the car with a Dick Landy Style Paint job, it was Blue and Red... I have pictures..

You know what we want now then, right?

I dont have a scanner

go to your local pharmacy and get all the queen ones scanned and burnt onto cd's so we can see them, not seeing that car is KILLING ME!!-MATT ;D

Just found and read this thread, great thread !! Found this discussion on another board. Thought some of you would be interested.

jalopyjournal.com/forum/search.php?searchid=937838 - 61k

Quote from: Choppintime on October 02, 2006, 07:42:49 PM
Just found and read this thread, great thread !! Found this discussion on another board. Thought some of you would be interested.

jalopyjournal.com/forum/search.php?searchid=937838 - 61k

That link didn't work, is THIS (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131898&highlight=daytona) the thread you're talking about?

There's some cool stories in that thread. :yesnod:


Oh & welcome aboard! :wave:

That is the link. Wonder why mine didn't work ??

Thanks for the welcome. I've been on the Cuda-Challenger board for a while and happened to stumble upon this thread.

I can recall someone in our wing car club some years back.Had found the hemi daytona Big Willie buildsheet.I think it was maybe Randall M in Arkansas

it was probably the queens brodcast sheet

Hello All,

    I live here in LA. I was reading the posts on Big Willie. I had the pleasure of meeting him for the first time on Sept. 20, 2006. He was walking here at the VA hospital with his wife. I talked for about 30 minutes with him. He says he still has the 2 Hemi (Keith Black built) Daytonas. He claims they run 6's. He also claims the Brotherhood track will open back up soon. I wonder about that though. The politicians don't want a track here. When I told him that, he said the new mayor here in LA gave the okay. He still claims the track will open soon. He is alive for sure. I have his phone number and address. I will go to his place soon and take pictures. Keep in mind though, he is getting older. He is still up and about but a little slower. I have another friend locally named Lurch who is well known around LA drag racing. Lurch says he is not telling the truth. I wonder also. I promise to try to get Big Willie and take pictures. I will get back to you all soon.

he claims he has 2 keith black daytonas??? the king broke in half because of acid dippin and the queen was destroyed in an accident, maybe he still ahs the remains????-MATT GET PICS!!!!! :icon_smile_big:

Quote from: THE CHARGER PUNK on October 10, 2006, 03:36:32 PM
he claims he has 2 keith black daytonas??? the king broke in half because of acid dippin and the queen was destroyed in an accident, maybe he still has the remains????-MATT GET PICS!!!!! :icon_smile_big:

That is EXACTLY what he told me. If any of you are here in SoCal, lets meet and go to his house. I have his address and phone number. I told him I want to come by and see his cars. I have been busy lately, but I WILL go there soon. If they are there, I will take pictures. Again, if any of you want to join me, let me know.

 :popcrn:

SWEET if he had the remains of thsoe casr ma nthat would be sweet t osee-MATT

If those or any parts of the 2 Big Willies daytonas are stil remaining.Would be a great discovery.Now there is LA dodge dealer daytona That had its motor built by Keith Black.Thats outhere I got pictures of it and its vin.The car is still in hiding


(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/LADAYTONA.jpg)

When you say the vin is in hiding, do you mean it's an unknown completely or that the vin is known by a tiny handful in the hobby and they just aren't telling at this point?

I do have this cars vin.The car hasnt been seen or heard in quite sometime.This car may be confused as a missing Big Willie as keith black name is on this car to .Its a Y2 hemi 4 speed car.Same thing could be said about this superbird.It to hasnt been seen or heard of or mentioned about in quite sometime



(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/Mysterysuperbird1.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/Mysterysuperbird.jpg)

Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 20, 2006, 05:59:33 AM
Same thing could be said about this superbird.It to hasnt been seen or heard of or mentioned about in quite sometime

Just call that phone # and ask them where it is. ;D

Quote from: THE CHARGER PUNK on October 18, 2006, 06:59:08 PM
SWEET if he had the remains of thsoe casr ma nthat would be sweet t osee-MATT

Damn, boy...that post was a doozie! :crazy:
You been hittin' your Dad's liquor cabinet? :smilielol:

There was a story on that custom painted Superbird in the WW/NBOA newsletter a couple years back that debunked the tale of the car.   As I recall, the paint job was done at a dealership by the owner of the car who worked in the body shop.  Maybe Dave can find the article.

I was almost positive that Willy had sold off or otherwise disposed all of the wing cars some time back. Now he says that he still has some of them. I think someone may have misunderstood what he said. Would be great if he still had one or two.

Hell yeah

Quote from: Ghoste on October 20, 2006, 04:01:11 AM
When you say the vin is in hiding, do you mean it's an unknown completely or that the vin is known by a tiny handful in the hobby and they just aren't telling at this point?

He said: "I got pictures of it and its vin.The car is still in hiding". I didn't read that the vin was in hiding.

Troy

Story on mystery painted superbird

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/Hewittsuperbird.jpg)

Quote from: Troy on October 20, 2006, 05:48:15 PM

Quote from: Ghoste on October 20, 2006, 04:01:11 AM
When you say the vin is in hiding, do you mean it's an unknown completely or that the vin is known by a tiny handful in the hobby and they just aren't telling at this point?

He said: "I got pictures of it and its vin.The car is still in hiding". I didn't read that the vin was in hiding.

Troy

Well, actually when I was speaking of the vin, I was referring to the car.  I should have been more specific with my question.

Quote from: Ghoste on October 23, 2006, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: Troy on October 20, 2006, 05:48:15 PM

Quote from: Ghoste on October 20, 2006, 04:01:11 AM
When you say the vin is in hiding, do you mean it's an unknown completely or that the vin is known by a tiny handful in the hobby and they just aren't telling at this point?

He said: "I got pictures of it and its vin.The car is still in hiding". I didn't read that the vin was in hiding.

Troy

Well, actually when I was speaking of the vin, I was referring to the car.  I should have been more specific with my question.

I see. Well, unfortunately, I am not one of the few who knows where it is...  :-\

Troy

Last I heard any tail of this car it was at this time of the 80-s article,In Fresno CA in M Downings hands .From there and that point car could be anywhere in the world.The former owner of the car was a Holly Hedrich

Big Willie Robinson and the Brotherhood, 1972As the Sixties drew to a close, the social upheaval seen in other spheres of society influenced drag racing as well. In the wake of the 1968 Watts riots, legendary street racer Big Willie Robinson figured out a way to use drag racing to change society. An imposing, muscular 6'6" Vietnam vet with a badass Hemi Daytona Charger and trademark bowler hat, Big Willie was the undisputed king of the late '60s- '70s East L.A. street racing scene. In response to the growing influence of drugs and street gangs, Big Willie and his wife Tomiko organized the 'Brotherhood of Street Racers' as a way to channel the energy of South Central youth away from crime and violence -- "peace through racing," as he put it. Working with local officials and police, Big Willie was the driving force behind the building of Brotherhood Raceway Park on L.A. harbor's Terminal Island. Before it closed in 1995, BRP was a popular destination for young South Cental racers and is widely regarded as the birthplace of import drag racing -- the 'Fast and Furious' scene. Efforts are now underway to reopen BRP, hopefully extending Big Willie's legacy to another generation of L.A. gearheads of every ethnicity.

Drag Racing Story of the Day!
The Brotherhood of Street Racers

By Dan Roulston

Back in the mid-1950s, when organized drag racing was pulling itself up by the bootstraps, there was a counter culture in the LA Illegal street racing was becoming a big, BIG problem. I was asked to speak to a forum produced by the LAPD. The street racers were loosely organized, but they did have some neat jackets and t-shirts. They were called the Brotherhood of Street Racers and were lead by their "Wally Parks" -- a moose of a guy called "Big Willie" Robinson and his wife Tomiko. We tried to get the BSR guys to come to LADS (as it was known then - Lions Associated Drag Strip). The vast majority of their cars could not pass tech inspection but they did draw as many as 500 cars at their races... usually in the industrial area of East LA.

There was one guy who did start coming to LADS to race. He was called "Charley the Painter." He drove a highly modified Dodge pickup that had a couple of haphazard ladders and paint cans (all thoroughly secured) hanging in the back. He received a ticket once for street racing and came to court. Now most of the other street racers were young guys wearing greased back hair and tee shirts but Charley was probably in his early to mid-'60s and wearing his painter's overalls, his usual racing uniform. The judge expressed surprise that Charley was in court for street racing. Charley's laid back response was "After I hit second gear, there wasn't any race." I think he was fined $14 or something, but won $20 for winning the street race.


More on Big Willie on this page

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2006/02/black_history_m.html

I was forwarded a post from another board.  Apparently the car is on the market.

69 Dodge Daytona Brotherhood of Street Racers  [Re: oilstrike1]
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Offered for a very limited time is 1 of 3 69 Daytonas that were given to Big Willie Robinson and the Brotherhood of Street Racers by Chrysler. Now the only 1 left in existence. These cars were given to sponsor street racing to sell cars, just like the Silver Bullitt was given to Addison. As the Sixties drew to a close, the social upheaval seen in other spheres of society influenced drag racing as well. In the wake of the 1968 Watts riots, legendary street racer Big Willie Robinson figured out a way to use drag racing to change society. An imposing, muscular 6'6" Vietnam vet with a badass Hemi Daytona Charger and trademark bowler hat, Big Willie was the undisputed king of the late '60s- '70s East L.A. street racing scene. In response to the growing influence of drugs and street gangs, Big Willie and his wife Tomiko organized the 'Brotherhood of Street Racers' as a way to channel the energy of South Central youth away from crime and violence -- "peace through racing," as he put it. Working with local officials and police, Big Willie was the driving force behind the building of Brotherhood Raceway Park on L.A. harbor's Terminal Island. Before it closed in 1995, BRP was a popular destination for young South Cental racers and is widely regarded as the birthplace of import drag racing -- the 'Fast and Furious' scene. Efforts are now underway to reopen BRP, hopefully extending Big Willie's legacy to another generation of L.A. gearheads of every ethnicity.

This Daytona is the last of the 3 given to Big Willie. The car is all numbers matching. 440 with 727 Torqueflite and a 4.10 Dana. The car has the original teardrop hood that was used on the King Daytona in the movie "Two Lane Blacktop." There is a long history behind this car and it is well documented. The car was resently shown at "The Forge Invitational" in Chattanooga, Tn. along with several monumental cars such as the Sox and Martin prostockers, and Dick Landy's prostockers and many more. The car has been featured in Mopar Collector Guide and on the Hot Rod Powertour. Now is your chance to own a rare piece of Mopar history. The car is just as it was when we removed it from Big Willies back yard where it had sat since 1976. Willie had ran this car with a Keith Black Hemi and a Clutchflite. This is a true XX29 Daytona!
   

Pics available upon request to serious buyers.

PLEASE...no tire kickers as this car is not cheap.
$350,000 or taking serious offers....dont hesitate because I may change my mind and this car may never be available for sale again.
DCrainK@Insightbb.com
502-773-2427

Call for questions...DONT E-MAIL!!!
 

i saw that on moparts

Wow, judging from his previous posts here, I'm surprised he's selling it.

Quote from: CHARGER_FAN on November 24, 2006, 12:42:56 PM
Wow, judging from his previous posts here, I'm surprised he's selling it.

Me too.  It's well known that Gary French in Kentucky owned the car and has displayed it several times.  It doesn't appear that he is the seller though.  I'm confused.   Anyway, at $350k, it probably isn't going anywhere anytime soon.   Great car with interesting history and patina.

Is he trying to auction it as well or is it a quickie offer that he has only thrown up on Moparts?

Thats the car from my town where it was sold from cherry hill dodge.I thought Gary would never sell it.But it is a former celebrity owner car.look what 318 ebodies brought that were used on nash bridges.Here this car is one of 3 BW Robinsons. And have heard title is or was in the name of brotherhood of international street racers

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,11789.0.html

From what all he has posted on here I'm suprised he has decided to sell the car. Then again I guess everone has their price.

And his price is cetainly up there but he seems to be someone who is really into THAT car, so whatever the reason, it must be important.

Its definatley not a car that I thought would be coming up for sale any time soon.

Hey all I am a friend of Gary's (I am the one that got him to take his car to "The FORGE") and I talked to Gary this morning and this is a hard decision for him to selll the car. This is definately not something he wants to do but there is a good reason for this and even though I would really hate to see him sell the car I totally support his decision behind this.

Scott "Rabbit"

be cool to see it sold and restored to look like the king daytona :icon_smile_big:

Tell him we wish him luck.  I'd rather see things work out so that he didn't have to sell whatever his reason is.

I agree, hopefully things work out so that he can retain the car.

Are there any pics of it from when it was pulled from his backyard?

Story I believe I heard was the 440 daytona was hiding next to above ground swimming pool at Big Willies .Big Willie was interviewed earlier by the guys at MCG on a featured article.They either didnt ask or see the 440 daytona at the time of the interview.Big Willie was also to have had a 66 barracuda and later charger cloned as daytona.Sometime after that interview the daytona had been discovered and bought.Not sure if these are the exact details I was emailed .On another note I taped a interview with Big Willie and car wax president Barry Mc Guire.And no mention of a 69 daytona came up.


On this other board it was discussed.Theres a link to Big Willie interview

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/165518/page/1/fpart/1/vc/1

I found a magazine article of the Big Willie King daytona.Seems we wanted it about 3000LBS and car was gutted of all non essential items as described in the article.My thoughts are if this same car that was acid dipped.What was still metal frame floors roof and1/4s.As it reads alot of fiberglass parts were used.Havent heard much about this car existing .But a guy in my wingcar club did have the buildsheet.

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/KINGDAYTONA-1.jpg)


(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/1969_DAYTONA_GREEN_trailer.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/1969_DAYTONA_Trailer.jpg)

Of all the other 440 daytonas this guy had this Big Willie would be the one to hold onto .Big Willie the legends car

PICS(seems the one below with him and the king when it was brand new and in stock condition)

He sure is a big- "Big Willie".

The bottom picture red daytona I remember seeing before it was the cover of MCG.They had Big Willie to pose in front of someones daytona

I just found this photo of Big Wiily and Tomico in an old magazine;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/vintageRacing/misc/big_willy_and_tomiko.jpg

WHOA SWEET!! U SEE THE QUEEN DAYTONA POSTER ON THR RH SIDE? -MATT

its on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Big-Willie-Robinsons-69-Dodge-Charger-Daytona_W0QQitemZ270061147817QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6199QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks Sam for posting that auction that car sold new from a existing dealer thats around today Cherry
Hill Dodge.That I deliver parts to on a regular basis.It car #214 on the daytona shipment list.And a original R4 red car

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C55 G15 G33 J25 M21 M31
A01 A11 A32 B41 B51 C16
[R4] [R4] C6X X9 427 926071
E86 D32 XX29L9B356***

if i had the cash first thing i would do is get that car-MATT

Quote from: THE CHARGER PUNK on November 28, 2006, 01:41:44 AM
if i had the cash first thing i would do is get that car-MATT

                       :iagree:     me too ..   :yesnod:     now that is a piece of history right there . what an awesome daytona to own , but what do you do  restore it  or keep it as is  :-\ , to me i would rather keep it un restored  but , looking at the A pillar /edge of the cowel -  rear window plug   etc  it should  restored .

Its a tough choice to leave it as its been for along time as Big Willie the Icons car.Or bring it back as another R4 red daytona.But the car still needs to have the body and rust issues attended to regardless of what direction its resto takes  I know the guy who was the Joe dirt daytona clone .Told him you could never restore this car to a restored street version daytona .To many people seen it in the movies magazines and shows.And will remembered it as its been shown to the public.This Big Willie car has that same following.Follows along the same line as the Ken Jennings hemi superbird the PHOENIX.Imagine seeing that redone in stock restored superbird form.Or the yellow jacket/Diamante challenger.Returned to stock form after its exposure all these years as we all know it.As tan top said they a piece of history

What do you think this car is really worth?

Quote from: 528daytona on November 28, 2006, 12:44:54 PM
What do you think this car is really worth?

Something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Like Charger Punk and Tan Top, if I was wealthy I would buy it!

since there is no pics or proof ive ever heard of this duke and dutchess car other then it actually exists and big willy has raced it, i would restore it to look like the KING :icon_smile_big:

that car needs attention , i would restore it to how it was when big raced it  but are there enough pictures of the interior or engine compartment to do that . Rene

Quote from: THE CHARGER PUNK on November 28, 2006, 02:46:17 PM
since there is no pics or proof ive ever heard of this duke and dutchess car other then it actually exists and big willy has raced it, i would restore it to look like the KING :icon_smile_big:

I think I would build a fake King Daytona, before making this one into it. All three of the Daytona's that Willie had are unique in their own way.  :yesnod:

Quote from: THE CHARGER PUNK on November 28, 2006, 02:46:17 PM
since there is no pics or proof ive ever heard of this duke and dutchess car other then it actually exists and big willy has raced it, i would restore it to look like the KING :icon_smile_big:

Actually I would say the Pinion Snubber Area being blown completly out, knocked back down, Welded and reinforced is some PROOF that My Daytona Has been Raced, along with several people telling me they remember seeing the car get down with a Kieth Black Hemi and a Clutchflite in it around, 1974-76, The other two Daytonas were destroyed by April 1973, and I am Positive that a Basicly STOCK 440 with a Stock Converter will not cause the carnage that was impossed to my cars Pinion Snubber Area... I had a Stock suspension high 8 second 1/4 mile 62 Dodge and it never did anything near what has been done to the Daytona, those Clutchflites are violent...

If you look at the Big Willie Kill Sticker ad in some early Magazines, THAT IS MY CAR,  Willie is kneeled down beside, I have one in a Magazine as early as april 1972, the only thing that doesnt have any kind of proof is the FACT that the car NEVER had a Tow Hitch so I don't why Big Willie told MCG back in 1993 that he had a Yellow Daytona he used to tow with,  then they called the article Big Willies Tow vehicle FOUND.... I dont believe it, never have and Never will....  I have a Magazine from 1971 with Willie Beside his Ramp Truck, so it really wouldn't make any sence to tow the Queen Daytona with a Daytona.....

Im not ranting, just trying to clear up some info on my car

Yes I want alot for the car, and I dont want to sell it, it is just something I have to do, if it doesn't sell this time around it may never happen again, I set the reserve at 250,000 on Ebag and to me it is worth every penny, if not more.....

I`m not trying to be a smartass..... but what would a car like this typically sell for if it didnt have the so called historical significance? 

A blue 440 daytona that was on ebay not matching numbers .But had a 426 hemi did $100K.But that nowadays Look back at Nov 1990 from hemmings.A friend of mine got the second one on the list for trading a guy a 69 RR worth $5000.00
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dam a rr 4-spd for a daytona , id do it, back in the day tho........... :rotz:-MATT :icon_smile_big:

  look at them prices  :cryin:

hey williesdaytona, since u own the car do u have any vids of it driving or running? be real cool to see that :yesnod:-MATT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Big-Willie-Robinsons-69-Dodge-Charger-Daytona_W0QQitemZ270061147817QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6199QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

less than two days left...and only $190,000......

its at 130,000 i believe the reserve was set at 200,000

i think the reserve is $250

QuoteI set the reserve at 250,000 on Ebag and to me it is worth every penny, if not more

my bad

Now the question arises, did the car really sell? I'm hoping the owner chimes in here.

Did it really sell or was it just bid up to $250K by a buddy? Inquiring minds want to know. :)

That information is quite obvious in the bid history. The buyer used the Buy it Now feature to purchase the car. I guess that will be disappointing for the paranoid folks that think every single auction on ebay has shill bidders.  :icon_smile_big:

I won't go into the reasons how/why I know this, but the buyer (donwan123) is a legitimate bidder.  This isn't a shill - and no, it's not me or anyone I know personally. 

Glad to see that Gary French did alright on the car, and it will be interesting to see what the new owner does with it.

bid histories are sometimes elussive in their truth. However I'm glad to hear that it is a good and legit auction. Glad to see that he got what he wanted to out of the car.

Kind of puts another car we discussed as a bargain doesn't it Gene.

maybe the next owner restore it to its former glory, or maybe a king :icon_smile_big:

looks like it did $250,00 And had some heavy hitters interested.Reggie Jackson would have bought it.Q: This is Jason from southern Bush Motorsports in Charleston S.C. I am the largest broker in North America for old muscle cars and the last of a dying breed that actually builds roads to pull these cars out of the woods and searches for stuff like you have here. I bow to you Sir. I don;t even know what too say, I thought nothing could surprise after me being in it this long. I have some knowledge of some of the rthis to therarest undocumetd cars in the world on file, but this one you have makes me look silly. Thanks for bringing to the surface. If it doesnt sell I have a clientell list of whales that I know will buy it. I know one thing, Reggie Jackson doesnt know it has been found, or he would have bought it already, he knew willie. Feel free to post this or call anytime. Sincerly respectful. Jason/. 1-843-425-2205 

This picture was taken at the Detroit Autorama !! I actually remember them ( I must of been about 5-6 years old, 71-2??)

Cobo Hall, Autorama is still held there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote from: 69_500 on December 03, 2006, 06:02:32 PM
Now the question arises, did the car really sell? I'm hoping the owner chimes in here.

Did it really sell or was it just bid up to $250K by a buddy? Inquiring minds want to know. :)

Yes, the car did sell to its new owner. I am pretty sure that he will leave the car just as it is!

That good news to here the car will kept in Big Willie form.There is no other Big Willies car out of the 3.But the one 440 car.Found this 1975 club recording showing the 2 hemi cars of Big Willies with vin and license plate numbers XX29J9B356523-Calif plate 419-ADR XX29J9B356525 Calif Plate 589-CKR.The single asterik at side of the 2 cars denote these 2 cars no longer in existence.That correspond with the remarks at bottom of the page


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I wasn't aware that neither of his other cars were in existince. I know that one of them was lost, but I had always presummed that the other one was sitting around somewhere waiting to be found.

big willie's car is coming home .. rite here to jersey city nj. i just got a call from my friend Jack that owns plumcrazy bodyshop . he does restoes on the new owners other cars . he said he will call me when it gets here so i can take some pics with it . thats the same shop that has my daytona project . he's got a nice superbird in there too. plus there building a 67 hemi cuda . jack and his old buddies had a racing club back then that was inspired by big willie . so he's excited about getting the car to his shop . i believe it will be restored to it's former racing glory  , Rene

Oh yeah Jack Sturler of plum crazy auto.He has a superbird and a 70 runner hes had for years with a superbird wing on it

yea thats Jack . his wedding picture is him and his wife behind the rr , under the wing. his got a tunnel ram with two 4's on that car . Rene

got any pics of that 70 rr?

only the one with the happy couple in it and i won't post that one . Rene

It is going to be restored? i was hoping that the new owner would leave it as it is, and continue to show it for a while.

 he's gonna restore it to how big willie had it .

Good, so it will still be recognizeable, other than just by VIN.

be cool 2 see it restored to its condition back in the day, kinda hard tho eh? i dont think there were any pics taken of it when it towed the other daytonas-MATT

I believe they already established that it wasn't used to tow the other vehicles, as it has never had a tow hitch on it.

oh my bad thought it was ,so are there any pics b4 willy sanded off all its physical appearance deciphering it as the big willy car?

I could be wrong on that, but I thought that had been discussed earlier in the thread. Where someone made mention of a truck that was actually used to tow the vehicles.

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dont sell it dude! your gonna hate yourself in the morning!

he sold it months ago found a new home and is currently being restored, anyone got any info on its status???

the restoration hasn't started yet . i think there are two cars being finished before they bring it over to the shop. Rene

Surely to God it's not getting restored back to factory condition.  That would be just f@#$ing retarded!!!!!

it's getting restored back to what it looked like in it's racing days

That's good to hear.

i cant wait to see it done :icon_smile_big:

Quote from: THE CHARGER PUNK on February 22, 2007, 04:01:39 PM
i cant wait to see it done :icon_smile_big:

Don't you have some pictures to scan?

if you do a search . i posted some pics a while ago, when it reached nj Rene

I was refering to the Modtop Daytona pics that ChargerPunk is supposed to show us.   :icon_smile_big:

Can you loan him a scanner?   :P

I would if he wasn't clear across the other side of the country.   :P

QuoteI was refering to the Modtop Daytona pics that ChargerPunk is supposed to show us.     

good luck!

Quote from: BigBlockSam on February 23, 2007, 04:24:59 PM

QuoteI was refering to the Modtop Daytona pics that ChargerPunk is supposed to show us.     

good luck!

  :smilielol:

Here is a picture I took in early 70's when I was about 10 years old.  Big Willie and his street racers came out from California a couple of times to Great Lakes Dragway in Union Grove, Wisconsin.  A different paint scheme than the others were.  Thought you may find interesting, and I just joined the website today.

Dale Mathews
Lenoir, NC

Quote from: HemiDale on February 25, 2007, 10:42:38 PM
Here is a picture I took in early 70's when I was about 10 years old.  Big Willie and his street racers came out from California a couple of times to Great Lakes Dragway in Union Grove, Wisconsin.  A different paint scheme than the others were.  Thought you may find interesting, and I just joined the website today.

Dale Mathews
Lenoir, NC

#1 - Welcome to the site   :wave:

#2 - What an awesome picture!!!  Thanks for posting it!    (Pssst...  Matt/ChargerPunk, are you taking notes?)

HemiDale, any stories from when BigWillie was at the track?  That would have been a sight to see!

OMG i have been lookin for a pic of the queen daytona in that variation after it was f6 green for soo long, welcome to the site and thanx for the great pic :yesnod:, also that looks like a 1 piece smoked plexi glass window on the passenger side, would that make the passenger door useless??? that mean it was welded shut or what???

Awesome first post man!  Thanks for the pic.

Quote from: Ghoste on February 26, 2007, 04:57:29 AM
Awesome first post man!  Thanks for the pic.

  :iagree:    thanks sharing the picture  , :thumbs:

cool picture man. thanks i will forward it to the united street racers. Rene

is that 1 piece plexi glass???? thus making the door useless????

Quote from: THE CHARGER PUNK on February 27, 2007, 12:43:13 AM
is that 1 piece plexi glass???? thus making the door useless????

Looks like it. :yesnod:


Great pic, HemiDale! Thanks for sharing that. :cheers:

looks b5 blue, any1 gonna take a guess what red that is???

Glad you like the vintage picture.  I have no other info or stories to share unfortunately, it was a long time ago and my memory is not to good.  I plan on attending the Charlotte wing car meet, but my car will not be finished in time as I had planned.  Its debut will be at the Forge muscle car show it looks like in October.  It is a Superbird 440+6, auto, console, buckets, yellow, black interior.  I have known the car since mid-70's when I was 15 years old as it was parked in a field by a house by a favorite fishing spot on the Maumee River in Ohio.  I am 46 and bought the car 16 years ago and am finally getting around to restoring it and can't wait to DRIVE it.  Original engine, etc.  One of my other cars is the white 70 Roadrunner Pilot car, Hemi 4-speed,  that will be my next project after this is done. Been buying for years, now time to restore em and enjoy them.  Do need some Hemi carbs = help.

Dale Mathews
Lenoir, NC
828-381-1832

Howdy Dale, and welcome to the site.  :wave:

Anyone know where i could find a clutchflite???

Is this the latest twist on your vision?

it is :icon_smile_big:

Well, if your serious, they do turn up for sale every now and again.  Watch the ads in MCG or check online.  There may still be kits out there to convert them.  If you really get desparate, I still have an owners manual (I had one in a Super Bee many years ago) around here someplace and even though it doesn't list dimensions of parts, there is a parts diagram included that would give you enough to be able to go to a machine shop and have the pump drive spider made.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33-vXNSlvn8



Yesteryear
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Today
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 nice pic's

wow! great pics

Thanks.

Here you guys may enjoy these:

Tomiko's Memorial Big Willie's Tribute;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4vkNUfbrvI


Part 1 Visiting With Huell Howser at Brotherhood Raceway;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxIp_gtIrsg


Eyewitness NEWS 1977 Brotherhood of Street Racers;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BHes8Pprzw

What became of that once red now black 73-4 se charger with the daytona wing n scoops n flares? its also sitting behind willy in the video of street racers, anyone have any idea where that car is?-MATT

Man alive...what a true LOVE Story ! I wish we all could see a lot MORE of THAT in America...
I hope Willie is doing ok now.  What is he up to currently ?

I thought I'd heard some story about him losing everything in Katrina?

Quote from: HemiDale on February 25, 2007, 10:42:38 PM
Here is a picture I took in early 70's when I was about 10 years old.  Big Willie and his street racers came out from California a couple of times to Great Lakes Dragway in Union Grove, Wisconsin.  A different paint scheme than the others were.  Thought you may find interesting, and I just joined the website today.

Dale Mathews
Lenoir, NC

Here is Union Grove article:

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Here is Tomiko's car with that paint job at Fremont racing against the famous Corky Bousay off of SpeedVision. Tomiko took the win light.
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Big Willie really like this pic, Thanks. This was Tomiko's 9 second Match racing Keith Black Hemi Queen Daytona
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Quote from: Ghoste on October 22, 2008, 08:10:43 PM
I thought I'd heard some story about him losing everything in Katrina?

No, Big Willie's hometown got hit, but he was not living there at the time. He lives in Los Angeles, California. His relitives lost everything.

Quote from: THE CHARGER PUNK on October 20, 2008, 11:04:34 PM
What became of that once red now black 73-4 se charger with the daytona wing n scoops n flares? its also sitting behind willy in the video of street racers, anyone have any idea where that car is?-MATT

Here is the car, awaiting a 482inch KB Hemi transplant. One of the last KB Hemi's built by Keith Black himself and givin to Big Willie. It's and all aluminum water jacket motor.
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The 557incher built by Keith Black and freshin up by Keith Black is in the race Daytona

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Here are current pics from this year. Big Willie at the Grayboys Car show

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Quote from: GeneralLeeTESH on October 22, 2008, 03:09:50 PM
Man alive...what a true LOVE Story ! I wish we all could see a lot MORE of THAT in America...
I hope Willie is doing ok now.  What is he up to currently ?

Big Willie is doing very good. He is currently working with the Mayor of Los Angeles to re open T.I.'s Brotherhood Raceway. Here is a pic of a previous protest when Big Willie told the Los Angeles city council, "if they don't want to give him a place to race, then he will bring the races to them!" Yes that is a Funny Car at city hall-Brian Raines's nitro burner.

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great info , thanks for sharing

Quote from: moparstuart on October 23, 2008, 08:15:39 AM
great info , thanks for sharing

Thanks, got more, will keep you guys updated

Cali

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NY

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Cool stuff thanks for sharing .I seen alot of your achive pictures neat stuff
http://forums.hotrod.com/70/1387347/general-topics/re-big-willies-daytona-sold-250-00000/page2.html

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/bolus/2008/02/big-willie-and.html

http://www.webshots.com/search for [Big Willie]-[Tomiko] nets result pictures in EthylKilled Freds ultimate Collection
http://www.webshots.com/search?query=tomiko&start=504

http://www.unitedstreetracers.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1165864889

Here is what Sports Illustrated had to say about Brotherhood Raceway on their 40th Anniversary Issue-

From:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1005652/1/index.htm


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September 19, 1994
A Peacekeeping Force
Warring gangs downshift at Big Willie Robinson's drag strip
Ken McAlpine


It's a sunny Saturday, and spectators at Brotherhood Raceway Park are holding their cars. At the starting line a Ford and a Chevy, both souped up, lay down serious rubber. Their spinning wheels spew billows of white smoke. The noise is like Velcro tearing inside your skull.

But the source of the auditory agony isn't tire screech. It's the chubby fellow whose screams are assaulting a defenseless public-address system. His name is Willie Andrew Robinson III, but he prefers to be called Big Willie.

"Which car you want?" yells Big Willie. His question is directed to the track announcer, a frequent target of Big Willie's good-natured hustles. "I got 20 hot dogs with chili and onions against whatever you can put up. You beat me, you can throw a picnic. Invite everyone you know. Maybe even have some leftovers. C'mon now, don't be scared. If you're scared to bet, you deserve to lose."

The announcer picks the Ford. "Bung mistake," says Big Willie, cackling.

The colored bulbs on the starter's tree light up one at a time, top to bottom: yellow, yellow, then green. Big Willie implores the racers, "C'mon, cut a good light and run straight." The Chevy does precisely that, squealing down the quarter-mile track to a convincing victory.

"Hooo-eee!" he shouts. "My lucky day! Just got Thanksgiving dinner squared away! Hot dogs with chili and onions!"

Two more cars pull up to the line. Big Willie turns to his foil with a toothy grin. "Listen," he says. "I'll give you a chance to get some hot dogs back. I have a heart."

He's a man with a heart, all right. And a cause. That is why he has worked so hard to preserve this drag strip on Terminal Island, at the western end of Los Angeles Harbor. The raceway, which has gone in and out of existence for the past 20 years, is a demilitarized zone of sorts. Gangs from south-central Los Angeles, from the barrios at the city's eastern edge and from the San Fernando Valley come here to slam down the accelerators of rusted Pintos, sleek Camaros, jacked-up station wagons and other moving contraptions. Overseeing it is 52-year-old Big Willie, a 6'6", 300-pound peacekeeper.

"Black, white, yellow, brown, skinheads, Nazi party members, Muslims, we got 'em all," he says. "They're all here at the track, and they're communicatin'. And once they start communicatin", they start likin' each other, and once they start likin' each other, they forget about the hate." Big Willie's operation consists of' several acres of asphalt, a line of cracked barricades and a POW-MIA flag popping in the sea breeze. The site is called Brotherhood Raceway because brotherhood is what Big Willie has preached since 1966, when he returned from a two-year tour in Vietnam and formed the National and International Brotherhood of Street Racers, a group of hot-rodders who provide an antidote to racial unrest. The only requirements for membership are a vehicle and a lead foot.

In the early days, members gathered at night on deserted streets and in back alleys, holding races that drew hundreds of fans. Drag racing on city streets is illegal in Los Angeles, and the police considered shutting down the enterprise. Ultimately, they decided to look the other way. "They would come and help out with traffic control," says Big Willie. "We weren't supposed to be there, but we were bringing peace to the streets."

Finding a tract for a bona fide drag strip wasn't easy. There was the matter of noise, and the scarcity of unused land in the city—not to mention the brotherhood's potentially combustible membership. But Big Willie persisted, and after a long search, the races moved to Terminal Island in 1974. Over the next decade, the Los Angeles Harbor Commission shut the raceway down several times because it needed the land for storage or port access. Each time, Big Willie would pester then Mayor Tom Bradley and the city council for help in finding a new spot by showing up at council meetings and making speeches about how his strip helped keep the peace. "I've never known anybody more persistent," says Bradley. "He just won't give up on his dream. He can be so persuasive that many people who at the outset are opposed to his ideas are finally overwhelmed."

Almost 30 years after his crusade began, Big Willie is still at it because the ills he has fought with missionary zeal—racism and violence—are still alive and well. So is his manifesto: If you're racing, you're not killing.

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Big Willie would rather press ahead than look back in anger. Back to his childhood in the 1940s in New Orleans, with its separate schools, separate churches, separate racetrack seating for black people. Back to Louisiana State University in 1960, where he ambled out of history class one day to find the windows broken, headlights smashed and tires cut on his prized 1953 Oldsmobile hot rod. Back to yesterday's news stories of children gunned down in the streets. "There's a lot of ghosts around me, lot of ghosts," says Big Willie. "I don't have time to sit down and cry. I got to keep pushin' forward to bring more people together, so we don't have this crazy violence out there."

Everyone is welcome at the track, where the motto is: Run what you brung, tow what you blow. Big-rig trucks, Volkswagen buses, go-karts, bicycles, dog sleds and a motor home built out of the front half of an airplane have all rumbled down Big Willie's drag strip. The eclecticism of the machinery is matched only by that of the crowd: tattooed muscle bikers, Hispanic kids in white T-shirts and floppy pants, bony black youths sporting hair nets and oversized jewelry, motorheads elbow deep in engines, families sprawled in beach chairs and eating picnic lunches. Even Big Willie's mother, Lula Mae Robinson, has raced here, piloting her Cadillac with aplomb. "Man can show up naked driving with his privates, he's welcome here," says Big Willie.

The melting-pot atmosphere is due in large part to Big Willie's disregard for profits. Ten dollars gets you in the gate, but Big Willie lets in an armada of folks for free: veterans, policemen, firefighters, Big Brothers of America and anyone who can't afford the admission. "It's not good business," says Tomiko Robinson, Big Willie's wife of 25 years and his assistant at the strip. "But it's the way Willie wants it."

Big Willie is not, however, a starry-eyed softy. His supporters go on about the size of his heart; but it's public knowledge that he once ripped a car door off its hinges to rescue his wife from her race car after a crash. Brotherhood members police the track, but it's Big Willie's presence that ensures calm. On the rare occasions when a fracas seems imminent, Big Willie halts the racing, collars the suspects and drags them out on the track, where he berates them in front of the crowd. As he shouts, he jabs the air with a deli-pickle-sized finger while the sinners stare at the ground. "By the time he's done," says Tomiko, "they're so embarrassed they've forgotten why they're angry."

Big Willie makes ends meet at home by doing assorted odd jobs. Despite the flexible admissions policy, the track stays solvent, thanks to a combination of municipal largess, private support and Big Willie's creative street bartering. He leases the strip from the city for $1 a month. The barricades and bleachers are on loan from the Long Beach Grand Prix. Local businesses chip in product prizes. Graffiti artists paint the signs. A lawyer agreed to represent the raceway pro bono after Big Willie used his street connections to locate the man's stolen car.

The folks along the strip say Big Willie has helped curb violence outside the raceway gates. "Since we've had this drag strip, things have been much more mellow," says Reggie Foley, a 26-year resident of Compton, a south-central L.A. neighborhood familiar with gang violence. "Man's doin' a wonderful job. We're thankful Willie believes."

Says Steve Soboroff, a former harbor commissioner, "L.A. could use a lot more people like Willie. So could the world."

At the moment, however, the world seems more concerned with commerce than with calming hotheaded kids. Next spring, a harbor expansion project is scheduled to gobble up the drag strip and replace it with a coal-exporting facility. Officials say they have no plans to furnish another spot for the strip.

But Big Willie doesn't seem overly concerned. He believes he has the support of Mayor Richard Riordan and hopes to set up drag strips in New York, Philadelphia, Detroit and New Orleans. With characteristic optimism, he says, "This is one story that doesn't end here."

Back in the early seventies all the street racers around here would meet at a big grocery store parking lot by our house. When my Dad worked nights he'd always run into Big Willie and Tomiko parked across the street from the
lot at the gas station, Queen Daytona towing King Daytona. It's probably what influenced him into buying one in
76. It would have been great if he took some pictures, but it was just another day in Hot Rod paradise. I never
got to see King or Queen in person, which sucks. I met Big Willie with my Dad in the mid 70's in that same
parking lot during the day. He was driving his early Barracuda with the wing on it. I don't remember what the
conversation was because I was a kid. I just remember shaking his hand...super nice guy.

Here's my favorite picture I've got of King.

I think UFO said he was going to run this style of hood. I wonder if he's going to run the elephant sniffers???

thanks for the sory , intresting  :coolgleamA: good picture also :coolgleamA:
bet you dad had some aweome back in the day storys :yesnod:

Cool picture and story, thanks!

This is our old 69 Hemi 500 that my dad purchased from a friend of Big Willies for $60.  Car has the same plates that were on Queen Daytona at one point.   Also these plates were for the 500 as Daytona's never got Black California plates..  

Queen Daytona with the same plate

good picturs CX5 :2thumbs:  thanks for sharing  :coolgleamA:

Quote from: C5X DAYTONA on October 15, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
This is our old 69 Hemi 500 that my dad purchased from a friend of Big Willies for $60.  Car has the same plates that were on Queen Daytona at one point.   Also these plates were for the 500 as
Daytona's never got Black California plates
..  

..  

Wonder why that is daytonas didnt get black license plates a CA thing??.When we used to live in Northridge Ca in 69 I remember our family cars having the black on yellow plates.I dug up info on Ed Ryans daytona that was used in the ADAM 12 episode WHO WON 1972.That was the original owner hemi daytona sold from Canoga Park Dodge.And I got additional info when Jim Radke confirmed that car was Ed Ryans I was checking up on.I got to rewatch that video and see what he has for plates.But I did go on the site selling that Hemi daytona it has Blue on yellow 596BIY.And the Keith Black LA Dodge Daytona I think has blue on yellow plates.Interesting but why the color plate change
http://inventory.bestofshowautomotive.com/CarDetails.asp?VIN=1969DAYTONA
http://www.hulu.com/watch/46171/adam-12-who-won#x-0,vepisode,1

1970 was the last year black plates were issued.    Depending on when the car was sold could dictate whether you had a chance to get a black or blue plate.   I have no idea when the exact changeover occured.  But if you were not the original owner, you would be pretty much guaranteed a blue plate even if the car was a late model used car.   

My Cuda was reg'd oct 1970 in socal, blue plates

The black/yellow plates ran out during calendar year 1969 some DMV offices ran out of them earlier than others.
If a Daytona was first registered in an area less populated than LA it would be possible to have black/yellow plates.
California plates stay with the car not with the owner.

Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 15, 2009, 04:17:07 PM

Quote from: C5X DAYTONA on October 15, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
This is our old 69 Hemi 500 that my dad purchased from a friend of Big Willies for $60.  Car has the same plates that were on Queen Daytona at one point.   Also these plates were for the 500 as
Daytona's never got Black California plates
..  

..  

Wonder why that is daytonas didnt get black license plates a CA thing??.When we used to live in Northridge Ca in 69 I remember our family cars having the black on yellow plates.I dug up info on Ed Ryans daytona that was used in the ADAM 12 episode WHO WON 1972.That was the original owner hemi daytona sold from Canoga Park Dodge.And I got additional info when Jim Radke confirmed that car was Ed Ryans I was checking up on.I got to rewatch that video and see what he has for plates.But I did go on the site selling that Hemi daytona it has Blue on yellow 596BIY.And the Keith Black LA Dodge Daytona I think has blue on yellow plates.Interesting but why the color plate change
http://inventory.bestofshowautomotive.com/CarDetails.asp?VIN=1969DAYTONA
http://www.hulu.com/watch/46171/adam-12-who-won#x-0,vepisode,1

Blue California plates came out in Sept of 69.   The first Daytona to get shipped to Ca was 8-16-69 so by the time the car was delivered and sold it is possible but I have NEVER seen a Daytona with Black Plates.  The earliest Daytona that I know of that sold new is CA is  410761 and it was shipped on 8-20-69 and it had Blue California plates 838-GFO and it is the 21st Daytona on the shipping list.   The Keith Black Hemi Daytona 's original plates were also Blue CA plates number 401-AKC

Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 15, 2009, 04:17:07 PM

Quote from: C5X DAYTONA on October 15, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
This is our old 69 Hemi 500 that my dad purchased from a friend of Big Willies for $60.  Car has the same plates that were on Queen Daytona at one point.   Also these plates were for the 500 as
Daytona's never got Black California plates
..  

..  

Wonder why that is daytonas didnt get black license plates a CA thing??.When we used to live in Northridge Ca in 69 I remember our family cars having the black on yellow plates.I dug up info on Ed Ryans daytona that was used in the ADAM 12 episode WHO WON 1972.That was the original owner hemi daytona sold from Canoga Park Dodge.And I got additional info when Jim Radke confirmed that car was Ed Ryans I was checking up on.I got to rewatch that video and see what he has for plates.But I did go on the site selling that Hemi daytona it has Blue on yellow 596BIY.And the Keith Black LA Dodge Daytona I think has blue on yellow plates.Interesting but why the color plate change
http://inventory.bestofshowautomotive.com/CarDetails.asp?VIN=1969DAYTONA
http://www.hulu.com/watch/46171/adam-12-who-won#x-0,vepisode,1

Yes that is the correct number on Ed Ryan's HEMI.   596-BIY  

I got a old newsletter list of the license plates some regular ones and some personalized for certain wing cars they accounted or attended a meet.Will see If I can find it

(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1192.jpg)

947 AQB was the original Blue CA plate on Joe Machado's Daytona.      I was reading the names on that list.   I saw Shawn Huber at a gas station in Palm Desert Ca about 10 years ago.  He lives close to us.    He sold that Daytona to Steve Marinoff years ago.   You know I was only 4 years old at that first meet but I was still there...  Probably getting my hands smacked for touching cars..lol   But then again,  I was probably fixed of that by then..  You know Joe.....HA-HA

Here is a daytona and the other car is wearing CA 69 black plates.the daytona appears to have no front plate
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/reddatpump.jpg)

Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 16, 2009, 02:57:30 PM
Here is a daytona and the other car is wearing CA 69 black plates.the daytona appears to have no front plate
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/reddatpump.jpg)

On the yellow car there is no way to tell what year the plate is by this picture.  The black plate was used from 63 through late 69.   X Y Z on the first didget were used for mid-late 69s

Ok I see our Ca car was XYR-807.I might still haved saved the plate.I guess by the old style gas pumps and background it should be a retro 69 picture featuring the daytona?

Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 16, 2009, 03:09:42 PM
Ok I see our Ca car was XYR-807.I might still haved saved the plate.I guess by the old style gas pumps and background it should be a retro 69 picture featuring the daytona?

I had Big Willie's plates that were on Queen Daytona and on the Hemi 500 till about 6 months ago.  A guy stopped by the house and was looking for Black CA plates.  I sold them for $50 not remembering what they came off of.  Later I was on my computer and looking through old pictures and saw the plate numbers.  I never got that guys number.  GRRRR

 XX29J9B356523 plate was 419 ADR
XX29J9B356525 plate was 589 CKR  Either one would be a neat collectible keepsake .1 of his 2 Hemi daytonas buildsheets surfaced I thought about buying it for the collection.Randall Mouser in OK had owned the sheet the last I known.Whos got it now?

Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 16, 2009, 02:57:30 PM
Here is a daytona and the other car is wearing CA 69 black plates.the daytona appears to have no front plate
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/reddatpump.jpg)

The picture is from a vintage magazine article about "blown" cars.  I think the car is the Ed Ryan/BestofShow car, were any of the other so-cal HEMI Daytonas orange?  My guess its rear plate is 596 BIY.

Quote from: 6bblgt on October 19, 2009, 04:08:25 PM

Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 16, 2009, 02:57:30 PM
Here is a daytona and the other car is wearing CA 69 black plates.the daytona appears to have no front plate
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ea240/Wingcars69/.jog)

The picture is from a vintage magazine article about "blown" cars.  I think the car is the Ed Ryan/BestofShow car, were any of the other so-cal HEMI Daytonas orange?  My guess its rear plate is 596 BIY.

Big Willie's 4 Speed Hemi was V2 also.  But I think that car looked stock only when it was sitting on the Dealers lot.. 

Quote from: C5X DAYTONA on October 16, 2009, 01:11:20 PM
947 AQB was the original Blue CA plate on Joe Machado's Daytona.      I was reading the names on that list.   I saw Shawn Huber at a gas station in Palm Desert Ca about 10 years ago.  He lives close to us.    Steve Hargrove is on there too.  I went to the Mopar Spring Fling Speed Festival 09 and saw Steve there.  We took some hard laps and even spun out in my Track Daytona.   You know I was only 4 years old at that first meet but I was still there...  Probably getting my hands smacked for touching cars..lol   But then again,  I was probably fixed of that by then..  You know Joe.....HA-HA

Hey Sean does Steve Hargrove live out here in CA. ? My Dad bought his car from Charles Todaro &
             Steve. They brought the car over to our house to look at it. I still remember riding in the back seat
             with Steve when they took us for a test drive on the freeway. Through them we met your Dad and
             J. Radke. It's been 30 plus years since I've seen him...

I think Hargrove is in Tennesee

Quote from: Daytona Enthusiast on October 20, 2009, 04:27:08 AM

Quote from: C5X DAYTONA on October 16, 2009, 01:11:20 PM
947 AQB was the original Blue CA plate on Joe Machado's Daytona.      I was reading the names on that list.   I saw Shawn Huber at a gas station in Palm Desert Ca about 10 years ago.  He lives close to us.    Steve Hargrove is on there too.  I went to the Mopar Spring Fling Speed Festival 09 and saw Steve there.  We took some hard laps and even spun out in my Track Daytona.   You know I was only 4 years old at that first meet but I was still there...  Probably getting my hands smacked for touching cars..lol   But then again,  I was probably fixed of that by then..  You know Joe.....HA-HA

Hey Sean does Steve Hargrove live out here in CA. ? My Dad bought his car from Charles Todaro &
            Steve. They brought the car over to our house to look at it. I still remember riding in the back seat
            with Steve when they took us for a test drive on the freeway. Through them we met your Dad and
            J. Radke. It's been 30 plus years since I've seen him...

I don't know where  Steve Hargrove is these days.    XX29NASCAR posted Tennessee. 

I got a magazine clipping of of a black hemi daytona.Owner Steve Hargrove.And this lists shows him with a 440 daytona also

(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1192.jpg)

This Clipping shows a Ed Mohler .But I think I might have something with Steves daytona .Maybe in Street machine magazine 1976
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/WING_CAR_ARTICLE_09.jpg)

Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 20, 2009, 11:42:47 AM
I got a magazine clipping of of a black hemi daytona.Owner Steve Hargrove.And this lists shows him with a 440 daytona also

(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1192.jpg)

Yea Steve had quite a few cars.  I have pictures of that Black Hemi Daytona parked in front of our house way way back..  That car is in Alabama still I think and still wearing the HEMI 3 California plates too at least the last time I saw it.

The HEMI 3 plate also shows under Gary T Haven the car is XX29J9B405189 .Well known as Don Hicks car from Huntsville Al .If I recall correctly that car went to Steve Fox if Im correct .It should the same black car in the first link.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,15942.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,28284.msg310930/topicseen.html#msg310930

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,28284.0.html

Yep,  all the same car.  Great stuff...

Quote from: Daytona Enthusiast on October 20, 2009, 04:27:08 AM

Quote from: C5X DAYTONA on October 16, 2009, 01:11:20 PM
947 AQB was the original Blue CA plate on Joe Machado's Daytona.      I was reading the names on that list.   I saw Shawn Huber at a gas station in Palm Desert Ca about 10 years ago.  He lives close to us.    Steve Hargrove is on there too.  I went to the Mopar Spring Fling Speed Festival 09 and saw Steve there.  We took some hard laps and even spun out in my Track Daytona.   You know I was only 4 years old at that first meet but I was still there...  Probably getting my hands smacked for touching cars..lol   But then again,  I was probably fixed of that by then..  You know Joe.....HA-HA

Hey Sean does Steve Hargrove live out here in CA. ? My Dad bought his car from Charles Todaro &
             Steve. They brought the car over to our house to look at it. I still remember riding in the back seat
             with Steve when they took us for a test drive on the freeway. Through them we met your Dad and
             J. Radke. It's been 30 plus years since I've seen him...

Hello Dave,   I had gotten Steve Marinoff and Steve Hargrove mixed up when I read your note.   They both had Daytona's and HEMI 500's.  I was with Marinoff at these events I wrote about.   I was going to email you but I don't have your Email.   What time did you leave the show?  We were there till 5 ish.  So hot that day.  I ran into a guy right after we talked that just purchased a pretty nice 6barrel 4 speed bird for under 20g.  I shook his hand and congratulated him  What a lucky guy.

Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 20, 2009, 09:30:34 AM
I think Hargrove is in Tennesee

Thanks NascarXX29 that's my car on the list 410768...unfortunately the car no longer wears its 461 AEX
           plates. The front plate and bracket were stolen off the car when my Dad was driving it daily.It now
            has ugly white plates on it. I picked up a bracket from M. Morris recently.

Quote from: C5X DAYTONA on October 21, 2009, 03:00:14 AM

Quote from: Daytona Enthusiast on October 20, 2009, 04:27:08 AM

Quote from: C5X DAYTONA on October 16, 2009, 01:11:20 PM
947 AQB was the original Blue CA plate on Joe Machado's Daytona.      I was reading the names on that list.   I saw Shawn Huber at a gas station in Palm Desert Ca about 10 years ago.  He lives close to us.    Steve Hargrove is on there too.  I went to the Mopar Spring Fling Speed Festival 09 and saw Steve there.  We took some hard laps and even spun out in my Track Daytona.   You know I was only 4 years old at that first meet but I was still there...  Probably getting my hands smacked for touching cars..lol   But then again,  I was probably fixed of that by then..  You know Joe.....HA-HA

Hey Sean does Steve Hargrove live out here in CA. ? My Dad bought his car from Charles Todaro &
             Steve. They brought the car over to our house to look at it. I still remember riding in the back seat
             with Steve when they took us for a test drive on the freeway. Through them we met your Dad and
             J. Radke. It's been 30 plus years since I've seen him...

Hello Dave,   I had gotten Steve Marinoff and Steve Hargrove mixed up when I read your note.   They both had Daytona's and HEMI 500's.  I was with Marinoff at these events I wrote about.   I was going to email you but I don't have your Email.   What time did you leave the show?  We were there till 5 ish.  So hot that day.  I ran into a guy right after we talked that just purchased a pretty nice 6barrel 4 speed bird for under 20g.  I shook his hand and congratulated him  What a lucky guy.

I left the show about 10 AM. I like to get down there early and watch the cars drive in and then breeze
            through the swap. I can't do the all day stuff. There's a great article on Marinoff's 71 Hemi Cuda in
            the new Musclecar Milestones magazine. Under 20 G's ... Wow!!!

THese are great posts. I am very good friends with Willie, and I speak to him several times a week.I keep him updated on nice things people say about him. I got him to be the Grand MArshall of the Streetcar SUper NAtionals in VEgas last November. He will also be at MOpars at the Strip in 2010..  He got the two Daytonas for free from two different dealerships in Calif. But he got the rest of his Mopars from Chrysler. Including his Cruising Daytona, a 73 that he daily drives with a KB Hemi, and two "space shuttle" motorhomes. I helped put together a deal for Supercar Collectibles to build both of his Daytonas. Trying to get them finished by Nats 2010.

Hey Rick, how's it goin?   :wave:

Very cool about the BW Supercar issue, those will be on the "must have" list. 

Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 20, 2009, 12:37:03 PM
This Clipping shows a Ed Mohler .But I think I might have something with Steves daytona .Maybe in Street machine magazine 1976
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/WING_CAR_ARTICLE_09.jpg)

Cool picture... It's already missing it's washer bottle........  :scratchchin:

Here is the motor that was intended for this car- An all alum Keith Black Street Hemi. Motor is currently being freshin up and restored.

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f329/ethelkilledfred/BSR%20BW%20482%20St%20KB/brotherhood2008011.jpg)
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f329/ethelkilledfred/BSR%20BW%20482%20St%20KB/DSC01402.jpg)
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j229/adam-katy/big_willy.jpg)

Quote from: ethelkilledfred on March 20, 2010, 08:34:59 AM
Here is the motor that was intended for this car- An all alum Keith Black Street Hemi. Motor is currently being freshin up and restored.

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f329/ethelkilledfred/BSR%20BW%20482%20St%20KB/brotherhood2008011.jpg)
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f329/ethelkilledfred/BSR%20BW%20482%20St%20KB/DSC01402.jpg)
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j229/adam-katy/big_willy.jpg)

I spy a Daytona wing in one of the pictures.....

that looks like the kings wing as it was repainted white just like the queens then the king was wrecked and the queen got a whole new paint scheme all together.

It's definitely off one of his Daytonas - you can still see the "747" hand painted on it  :icon_smile_big:

This car is on Ebay now. Here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Dodge-Daytona-Big-Willes-Duke-Dutchess-Daytona-/140623093579?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item20bdca1f4b)

Tear drop hood from lone gone hemi dayona

I'm looking for any historic images of the Duke & Duchess Daytona. The car will be featured in an upcoming book.

http://s37.photobucket.com/user/75414/media/10606479_10153343273237971_912000732945987511_n_zps04346d5d.jpg.html?o=0

Thanks, but those all seem to be of the Queen Daytona.

Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 12, 2014, 01:18:19 AM
http://s37.photobucket.com/user/75414/media/10606479_10153343273237971_912000732945987511_n_zps04346d5d.jpg.html?o=0

http://assets.blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/05/BigWillieDaytonas_700.jpg


http://s50.photobucket.com/user/ethelkilledfred/media/BSR%20Big%20Willie%20and%20Tomiko/Tomiko%20Tribute%20Book/BSRTomikosBookpg18.jpg.html

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=98524.0;attach=191270;image


http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=91201.0;attach=172295;image