what a time to be buying a superbird..wow..unreal.... :drool5: :yesnod:
Quote from: petercharger on March 16, 2009, 10:28:12 PM
what a time to be buying a superbird..wow..unreal.... :drool5: :yesnod:
Your right! Seems like prices dropped about $30k within the last few months.
Awesome deals. hard to believe. If I was not doing my Charger I would consider picking one up!
I thought it was just me.....I was checking out Ebay tonight and thought to myself why are these cars so much less?
I expected to see each one being a clone or non numbers but that wasnt the case.
The 6 barrel car is not mint by any means, but someone could put $10k into it, and it'll pay off. The one that needs a total restore is a little pricey! :shruggy:
Quote from: petercharger on March 16, 2009, 10:28:12 PM
what a time to be buying a superbird..wow..unreal.... :drool5: :yesnod:
Prices are getting back to reality.All the High Rollers spent their money,now the Peons can participate.
I have a friend that has a real nice 70 Hemi Cuda,can't get $135K.
One thing I never liked about Ebay, is it may have connect all the enthusiasts together to share parts and things like that, but it also gave easy entrance for people with bottomless pockets to come in and snatch up all our precious cars. These cars were built for the average joe! An average joe should be able to afford one!
and me with no money again :brickwall:
Quote from: Random-Hero- on March 17, 2009, 05:45:52 PM
One thing I never liked about Ebay, is it may have connect all the enthusiasts together to share parts and things like that, but it also gave easy entrance for people with bottomless pockets to come in and snatch up all our precious cars. These cars were built for the average joe! An average joe should be able to afford one!
Daytonas and Superbirds have never been what you would call "cheap". It is all relative. In 1978, a nice Superbird could sell for $5000. Trouble was, a nice Road Runner was $2500. And I was making $3.75 an hour. So for some buyers, even then, it was a real stretch to get there. In 1986, can you imagine turning down a very nice Hemi Superbird for $16,000? Been there, done that. At the time, it was a ton of money.
The internet in general has connected us, and made it easier for potential buyers to find cars and parts. In the really high end car market, a lot of cars still sell on word of mouth just like the old days.
In life, you might be doing very well financially, but there usually will be someone with more money available than you, no matter who you are. Just the way it goes. I guess my point is, no matter the era, you always needed to save your nickels and dimes to get into a wing car.
I was not suggesting those cars weren't valuable, I was suggesting that their price was blown out of proportion as of late because of people with bottomless pockets. Making them absolutely unreachable by people of average incomes.
I would agree somewhat with the statement about them being blown out of proportion as of late, excluding the current time. If you were to ask me that same question 1-3 years ago I'd agree almost entirely. Although even in those crazy priced times there were still some deals to be had, you just had to be at the right place at the right time.
I don't make an income that is above average by any means, but yet we still found a way to manage to come up with the money for a C500. I remember back when my dad was buying these cars, and they weren't exactly cheap then. Yeah in todays $$$ they seem cheap, considering he was paying $3,500-6,000 for Daytona's and HEMI 500's. But in comparison the house they were living in was a $30K house and he was making in the low $30K's a year. Same house they used to have sold 5 years ago for $158K and was in dire need of a remodel as it hadn't had much done to it since my parents sold it in 1985. I guess its all about priorities. I still intend on owning a Daytona within the next 5 years, and hopefully another C500 as well.
As my dad and mom always said. Where there is a will there is a way. If you want it bad enough, and actually work towards that as a goal it is still within reach for just about anyone.
no question that it's a buyers market right now, but hold on, the cycle will come back. It may take 3-5 years but the Aero Cars will be back to 6 digit numbers. Hemi's & Daytona's will lead the way, Superbirds close behind. Now is the time for a Wing Car enthusiate to make his move, enjoying the hobby while building equity.
Quote from: Random-Hero- on March 17, 2009, 06:46:14 PM
I was not suggesting those cars weren't valuable, I was suggesting that their price was blown out of proportion as of late because of people with bottomless pockets. Making them absolutely unreachable by people of average incomes.
At the time, those seemingly low prices actually were considered valuable and not necessarily easy to put the money together. My dad bought and sold about ten wing cars between 1977 and 1986. He sold his last trading piece Bird in 1987 for $7500. By 1989-90 those cars had nearly tripled in value and that driver he sold was now a $20,000 car. He was effectively priced out of the market just based on the timing and how the supply and demand of the market reacted. We had no Ebay then, but percentage wise, it was the same type of big rise in prices we experienced in the last five or so years.
Right now, if you have the ability to do so, it's a great time to buy because just about any leisure time big ticket item is down.
"The majority of people get it wrong on the ends" is what a brilliant Stock trader that is worth Millions told me a couple of years ago. "If you can follow the trend in the middle, that is where the money is" he also said. He also said "Fear is faster than greed". Which means that things fall faster than they should sometimes, also known as "Desperation". I think that we are seeing is desperation in the winged car market. I think that we are all going to look back as Doug said about the 16k Hemi Bird, and say "I could have purchased a Superbird for under $90K. Let's face it. They ain't makin no more of em. If you want one, you better jump in. These cars were never meant for the average guy to own one. Average guys own Camaro's and Mustangs, "No Offense". (have owned my share of them). I didn't work all of these years to finally get a Mustang. Owning a wing car means something to me. The History, the mistique, the accomplishment, at least for me. All I can speak for is myself. But being a MOPAR Freak......owning a piece of history in a wing car is what I Dreamed for, and I don't think that I am the only one. If I am........The sky is blue and wonderful in my world, and I never want to wake up.
Z
The bird in my avatar was bought in 1982 for the total sum of $4200.Took three days to make the decision to buy.Just couldn't bring myself to spend that much money for a car.Thanks to wife that understood,still with mixed emotions I bought it. I don,t have $10,000 total in the car including purchase price only because I did everything myself except paint and what little body work that it required.The car was apart for 8yrs.Could I afford one now,yes but it took a long time to get to this point in my life.Would I spend the money for one,no.As you get older things change,cars can become secondary to things that are more meaningfull.I enjoy the bird and a few others I have but want/need no more.The 62 Savoy wagon I have just about finished has been in the works since 1997.Way too long.As you get older,you will understand.
Quote from: 62 Max on March 18, 2009, 07:42:17 AM
The bird in my avatar was bought in 1982 for the total sum of $4200.Took three days to make the decision to buy.Just couldn't bring myself to spend that much money for a car.Thanks to wife that understood,still with mixed emotions I bought it. I don,t have $10,000 total in the car including purchase price only because I did everything myself except paint and what little body work that it required.The car was apart for 8yrs.Could I afford one now,yes but it took a long time to get to this point in my life.Would I spend the money for one,no.As you get older things change,cars can become secondary to things that are more meaningfull.I enjoy the bird and a few others I have but want/need no more.The 62 Savoy wagon I have just about finished has been in the works since 1997.Way too long.As you get older,you will understand.
Priorities sure do change. I went from buying my car when we were a two income, no kids family. Now we are a single income, 3 kids family and the cars sits in the garage and i havent really touched it in the last 5 years. My two year plan is turning into 5 or more likely a 10 year plan.
lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. these cars where mad for a reason, so the factory could race them. they are not race cars just cheap imitation copies. (therefore these are nothing but a factory clone of a race car) as far as a part of race history that is it. I would not pay more that 10 grand for one. thats why I don't have one. just like haveing a crate hemi. they are very great cars, but I have to sweat and get dirty for my hard earned money,so my $ have a greater buying power(value to me)! just my 2 cents.
If you guys could have been there at the media center at Atlanta Motor Speedway when I gave my acceptance speech for winning the Petty Replica you would have heard my story...
"These unique cars came to the dealership two years before I was a licensed driver. My friends and I purposely stayed on the school bus past our stop on the way home so that we could get dropped off by the local Chrysler dealer and drool over the most incredible cars we had ever seen. I can't believe that I just won the car of my dreams but to have it look like my favorite race car of all time is just icing on the cake". I have it on DVD, maybe I should bring it to the Talladega meet and we can make fun of it. Boy, was I nervous!!!
A few years later with a minimum wage job there was no way I could afford one, even when they were practically giving them away! I remember, in the mid '80's, coming real close to buying a shell of a Superbird that had been stripped for drag racing. I could barely afford the car then but when you threw in all the restoration costs I just couldn't bring myself to shelling out that much money, no matter how much I wanted one.
Over the years, as my income increased, so did the value of these cars. Even today I don't think that I could ever plunk down the coin to buy one and not feel guilty about it (unless I won the lottery, then I would have one in every color!).
I just happened to luck out and have my dream come through the easy way! Man oh man, when I think about it, I was one lucky S.O.B.!!!
Quote from: 70daytonaclone on March 18, 2009, 08:44:25 AM
these cars where mad for a reason, so the factory could race them. they are not race cars just cheap imitation copies. (therefore these are nothing but a factory clone of a race car) as far as a part of race history that is it.
Are you kidding me?
Quote from: maxwellwedge on March 18, 2009, 09:24:01 AM
Quote from: 70daytonaclone on March 18, 2009, 08:44:25 AM
these cars where mad for a reason, so the factory could race them. they are not race cars just cheap imitation copies. (therefore these are nothing but a factory clone of a race car) as far as a part of race history that is it.
Are you kidding me?
I think he has the statement backwards as far as cloning.
Quote from: 62 Max on March 18, 2009, 09:30:52 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on March 18, 2009, 09:24:01 AM
Quote from: 70daytonaclone on March 18, 2009, 08:44:25 AM
these cars where mad for a reason, so the factory could race them. they are not race cars just cheap imitation copies. (therefore these are nothing but a factory clone of a race car) as far as a part of race history that is it.
Are you kidding me?
I think he has the statement backwards as far as cloning.
I 100% Agree
Quote from: mopar-heaven on March 17, 2009, 09:59:28 PM
"The majority of people get it wrong on the ends" is what a brilliant Stock trader that is worth Millions told me a couple of years ago. "If you can follow the trend in the middle, that is where the money is" he also said. He also said "Fear is faster than greed". Which means that things fall faster than they should sometimes, also known as "Desperation". I think that we are seeing is desperation in the winged car market. I think that we are all going to look back as Doug said about the 16k Hemi Bird, and say "I could have purchased a Superbird for under $90K. Let's face it. They ain't makin no more of em. If you want one, you better jump in. These cars were never meant for the average guy to own one. Average guys own Camaro's and Mustangs, "No Offense". (have owned my share of them). I didn't work all of these years to finally get a Mustang. Owning a wing car means something to me. The History, the mistique, the accomplishment, at least for me. All I can speak for is myself. But being a MOPAR Freak......owning a piece of history in a wing car is what I Dreamed for, and I don't think that I am the only one. If I am........The sky is blue and wonderful in my world, and I never want to wake up.
Mopar Heaven dont you still own this Jim Foster 69 daytona
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Re: Street driven daytonas owned by nascar drivers whereabouts?
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I just saw this thread, My car is 355107, showing that it was earmarked for Jim Foster. I just got my car two weeks ago. Here are some pictures that I just downloaded from the trip. I don't have a nose, but I do have a wing. Someone made this one a 500 for a period of time. I purchased it from a friend that has had the car for 30 years in storage.
Z
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,33772.msg455997.html#msg455997
clones.................. cheap imitations ..............???????????????? Come on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quoteclones.................. cheap imitations ..............HuhHuhHuhHuhHuh? Come on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think owning an original car has gone to your head. that statement says a lot about you . of coarse an original car is worth more .that's because of it's history and it's a factory wing car .
but there is nothing cheap about some of the clones being built on this board .
I don't think the use of the term clone was being questioned, except as it was being applied to the '69 A11 and '70 A13 street versions. That's where I disagree with what 70daytonaclone had said in relation to the original cars being mere clones of the oval track versions. These were legit cars with the paperwork to prove their connection to the factory. It's a matter of semantics to some degree, but the term clone isn't applicable to a factory-built car period.
Rene, you're 100% correct that some of the clones being produced today are awesome cars, not cheap at all to build, and some of them look way better than many original aero cars. Quite a few of them probably drive a whole lot better too, with suspension and engine updates that many owners don't feel comfortable making on their original cars.
Historical connections and a factory pedigree may make a car more valuable when it's sold, but an aero clone isn't less of a car simply because of a VIN.
This forum shouldn't be segregated into the "haves" versus the "have nots". It's intended to be a place where we can learn more about the cars' history, and share how-to information about your own aero car (clone/project or original).
:Twocents:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on March 18, 2009, 06:03:28 PM
Quoteclones.................. cheap imitations ..............HuhHuhHuhHuhHuh? Come on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think owning an original car has gone to your head. that statement says a lot about you . of coarse an original car is worth more .that's because of it's history and it's a factory wing car .
but there is nothing cheap about some of the clones being built on this board .
Take it easy - I believe he's responding to this:
Quote from: 70daytonaclone on March 18, 2009, 08:44:25 AM
lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. these cars where mad for a reason, so the factory could race them. they are not race cars just cheap imitation copies. (therefore these are nothing but a factory clone of a race car) as far as a part of race history that is it. I would not pay more that 10 grand for one. thats why I don't have one. just like haveing a crate hemi. they are very great cars, but I have to sweat and get dirty for my hard earned money,so my $ have a greater buying power(value to me)! just my 2 cents.
Troy
:dance: :dance:
I started off with a daytona clone that was Ted Janaks personal car .Sold it and found the real daytona shortly after
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/TJclonedaytona-1.jpg)
We're all going to be dead in a few years and someone else will be wasting their time and hard earned money on these relics of the past.
Excuse me while my wife and I jump into our $10,000 Roadrunner that has a wing bolted on the back and drive down to Sonic for a burger. :icon_smile_big:
Troy, BigBlockSam, that is exactly what i was refering to. I have utmost respect for clones & the effort that goes into them.
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 18, 2009, 08:52:18 PM
Excuse me while my wife and I jump into our $10,000 Roadrunner that has a wing bolted on the back and drive down to Sonic for a burger. :icon_smile_big:
... with a big smile the whole way too, I'll bet...
:2thumbs:
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 18, 2009, 08:52:18 PM
We're all going to be dead in a few years and someone else will be wasting their time and hard earned money on these relics of the past.
Excuse me while my wife and I jump into our $10,000 Roadrunner that has a wing bolted on the back and drive down to Sonic for a burger. :icon_smile_big:
If it's only worth 10 K let me write you a check right now . Have it ready for me i'm coming to get it . :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 18, 2009, 08:52:18 PM
We're all going to be dead in a few years and someone else will be wasting their time and hard earned money on these relics of the past.
Excuse me while my wife and I jump into our $10,000 Roadrunner that has a wing bolted on the back and drive down to Sonic for a burger. :icon_smile_big:
amen brother that's my mentality too. i could buy a 75k superbird off ebay tomorrow but then i'd be scared to drive it.. and i like to be able to hop in and go with any of them, or i don't want them. but i have to say for the arguments above, they may be race car "copies", but nevertheless they are rare, legit paperwork trailed factory cars and no factory has ever rolled out such a unique good looking car, before or after they were produced. that is why they are valuable. lots of rare cars out there, but not as desirable/valuable
trav
I'll be the first to admit that I would love to own a real wingcar, or two, or three. But, I don't and I don't see them as being a good investment for me at this point in my life. So, I'll just be content to drive the wingrunner, and concentrate on finishing the daytona clone as time allows and then when the time is right, I'll start on the bird clone. Simple as that.
As for the 10K number on the runner, that's about what I have invested in the car at this time, including the new brakes, new wheels and tires, engine rebuild and wing. I don't know what it's worth, but I do know that I don't have any plans to sell it. It's too much fun now. We've driven it more in the last week than in the last five years.
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 19, 2009, 10:58:51 AM
I'll be the first to admit that I would love to own a real wingcar, or two, or three. But, I don't and I don't see them as being a good investment for me at this point in my life. So, I'll just be content to drive the wingrunner, and concentrate on finishing the daytona clone as time allows and then when the time is right, I'll start on the bird clone. Simple as that.
As for the 10K number on the runner, that's about what I have invested in the car at this time, including the new brakes, new wheels and tires, engine rebuild and wing. I don't know what it's worth, but I do know that I don't have any plans to sell it. It's too much fun now. We've driven it more in the last week than in the last five years.
cant back out now i'm packed and on the way to get it :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
so many nice cars is coming to Europe now. Three years ago 1 dollar is 0.70 euro, when I bought my car in last September, one euro is 1.51 dollar. 100 000 euro was 151 000 dollars.
But now, here is very bad economic crisis too.
You did get a nice yellow 6 pack car to take over :2thumbs:
Quote from: 69charger2002 on March 19, 2009, 08:24:08 AM
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 18, 2009, 08:52:18 PM
We're all going to be dead in a few years and someone else will be wasting their time and hard earned money on these relics of the past.
Excuse me while my wife and I jump into our $10,000 Roadrunner that has a wing bolted on the back and drive down to Sonic for a burger. :icon_smile_big:
amen brother that's my mentality too. i could buy a 75k superbird off ebay tomorrow but then i'd be scared to drive it.. and i like to be able to hop in and go with any of them, or i don't want them. but i have to say for the arguments above, they may be race car "copies", but nevertheless they are rare, legit paperwork trailed factory cars and no factory has ever rolled out such a unique good looking car, before or after they were produced. that is why they are valuable. lots of rare cars out there, but not as desirable/valuable
trav
I must be sick in the head,I put almost 500mi on mine last year and it ain't no clone.Never bothered me a bit. :image_294343:
Quote from: 62 Max on March 19, 2009, 04:36:41 PM
Quote from: 69charger2002 on March 19, 2009, 08:24:08 AM
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 18, 2009, 08:52:18 PM
We're all going to be dead in a few years and someone else will be wasting their time and hard earned money on these relics of the past.
Excuse me while my wife and I jump into our $10,000 Roadrunner that has a wing bolted on the back and drive down to Sonic for a burger. :icon_smile_big:
amen brother that's my mentality too. i could buy a 75k superbird off ebay tomorrow but then i'd be scared to drive it.. and i like to be able to hop in and go with any of them, or i don't want them. but i have to say for the arguments above, they may be race car "copies", but nevertheless they are rare, legit paperwork trailed factory cars and no factory has ever rolled out such a unique good looking car, before or after they were produced. that is why they are valuable. lots of rare cars out there, but not as desirable/valuable
trav
I must be sick in the head,I put almost 500mi on mine last year and it ain't no clone.Never bothered me a bit. :image_294343:
Nothing wrong with driving an aero car. I drove mine from Indy to Carlisle last year. 1,200 miles round trip. Plus a few other shows. I have averaged about 1,500 miles on it per year that I've owned it. I have every intention to drive it from Indy down to Talladega later on this year as well. They are just as easily repaired and worked on as a cloned car. Me personally I've always felt if you aren't going to drive it why have it? When I do get a Daytona I will drive it just like I do my 500.
So, you don't mind parking them at Wal-Mart for a few hours every once in a while? Good for you. If someone backs into it or slams the side with a car door...no big deal. That's what insurance and body shops are for. I like the way you guys think.
99% of the general public wouldn't own one of these old lead sleds for any amount of money and we all think they're cool.
That makes our 1% pretty unique. :icon_smile_big:
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I have driven the 500 to Wal-mart plenty of times. Drive it to church on the weekends, even drove it to baseball practice there at the park last year. Its a car, and yes its rare, but why not drive it and enjoy it and allow others to see it. Keep in mind though that my car is far from a nice example, and it needs a lot of things done to it. But even if it was restored the way I want it to be, I'd still drive it.
But even if it was restored the way I want it to be, I'd still drive it.
Me too. Be sure and leave the keys in it though. I'm getting too old to crawl under the dash. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 19, 2009, 06:56:57 PM
But even if it was restored the way I want it to be, I'd still drive it.
Me too. Be sure and leave the keys in it though. I'm getting too old to crawl under the dash. :icon_smile_big:
Interested in passing your car to an obsessed young gun? :icon_smile_big:
Tell you what WingCharger, when I get old you can buy the car from me. I plan on living at least another 70 years so how long can ya wait?
Quote from: 69_500 on March 19, 2009, 07:23:39 PM
Tell you what WingCharger, when I get old you can buy the car from me. I plan on living at least another 70 years so how long can ya wait?
Hhhmmm...I will be 85. :scratchchin: :scratchchin: Hope I don't scratch the paint. :icon_smile_big:
QuoteI have driven the 500 to Wal-mart plenty of times. Drive it to church on the weekends, even drove it to baseball practice there at the park last year. Its a car, and yes its rare, but why not drive it and enjoy it and allow others to see it. Keep in mind though that my car is far from a nice example, and it needs a lot of things done to it. But even if it was restored the way I want it to be, I'd still drive it.
you are the exception to the rule . most of those restored wing cars don't get driven on a daily basis.
i remember reading on a different board that if he drove his restored superbird for an hour , it would need 5 hours of cleaning . :shruggy:
i understand that . if i spent 60k re doing a car . i would be nervous driving it . that's why i like driver quality cars for me . i don't like cleaning my cars . Rene
Quote from: WingCharger on March 19, 2009, 07:58:39 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on March 19, 2009, 07:23:39 PM
Tell you what WingCharger, when I get old you can buy the car from me. I plan on living at least another 70 years so how long can ya wait?
Hhhmmm...I will be 85. :scratchchin: :scratchchin: Hope I don't scratch the paint. :icon_smile_big:
Was going to tell you if you were ever in PA,I'd give you the keys for an hour "BUT",just read your profile and saw your age.Changed my mind !. :icon_smile_big:
Rene, that's exactly why I decided to sell you the Superbee. I knew that you would repair it to the point of being a reliable driver and then do something that a lot of guys don't do...Drive it !!! After seeing what you did to the bee, it gave me the inspiration to do the same thing to my runner. Funny how I have all of these cars sitting around and I never really pay much attention to them. I'm finding that some of the un-restored ones can be quite a bit of fun to play with. Even Sandra looks forward to getting out in one of the cars every day. Despite driving the wheels off of the wingrunner this week, we've even gotten the 79 T/A out of storage, washed it up and drove it to lunch a couple of times.
The way that I see it, I can have 10 or 12 pretty nice driving cars or one real wingcar.
Looks pretty good all cleaned up and everything. :yesnod:
QuoteRene, that's exactly why I decided to sell you the Superbee.
i gotta tell you i luv that bee. :yesnod: she's a great car and she loved the winter . she starts real easy even in 10 degree weather . runs cool . i could drive her cross country if i wanted too . i put almost 400 miles on her since i bought her from you . yes almost everything in the car has been replaced except the motor trans and rear end but that's what you gotta do to cars that have been laying a long time. i had to do the something to my roadrunner.
this year I'm gonna change the distributor to an msd and clean and repaint the motor . then drive the wheels off her . Rene
To be honest with you, I think that if I had put the steel wheels on the bee before I promised to sell it to you, it just might still be sitting in the warehouse. Looks a whole lot better than those 14" road wheels. I had to keep those road wheels because they're the original wheels for the matching numbers vit c runner.
Oh, and my brother-in-law called today and he wants to put a bird wing on the black 440-6, 4-speed 69 runner that I'm building for him. That makes four local people that have decided to put wings on their chargers and runners this week. These people are nuts.
I told them all that it was a bad idea and that it would look like crap. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on March 18, 2009, 09:32:40 AM
Quote from: 62 Max on March 18, 2009, 09:30:52 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on March 18, 2009, 09:24:01 AM
Quote from: 70daytonaclone on March 18, 2009, 08:44:25 AM
these cars where mad for a reason, so the factory could race them. they are not race cars just cheap imitation copies. (therefore these are nothing but a factory clone of a race car) as far as a part of race history that is it.
Are you kidding me?
I think he has the statement backwards as far as cloning.
I 100% Agree
Been away a few days and just want to say that the above statement meant that the "race cars" were the clones - not the factory built for human consumption cars. The opposite of what the original poster wrote. I have nothing against a clone and respect the hard work that goes into building one.
When prices started getting crazy I worried about driving the daytona but a friend said that is what insurance is for.It is still alittle unnerving to see people drive towards you while they are looking at the car. I enjoy driving the cars but my favorite is our 69 charger-- no matter how bad a day you have had a few miles behind the wheel and all is forgotten.
You drive these cars enough and they will get damaged. It's not if...it's when.
We had a lady change lanes and run us into the next lane just last week while driving the Roadrunner. You would think that people could see a land yacht coming down the road.
The down side of having an accident would be having to locate the parts and then having to paint the entire car because of the difficulty of matching old faded paint. That and not getting to drive the car for a while.
I was only ever nervous about driving one car....so I sold it. I drive the rest of them whenever I can.
Thats cool 69 runners going around with bird wings.Back in the day a guy Rich Miental had a daytona wing on a 69 charger 500
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/vintagewingcarads.jpg)
So maxwellwedge, when are you going to hop in the Doc Tona and drive it down to Indy for me to look it over. I'm free most weekends. :)
Just kidding, I do intend to get up that way to check the car out though before the summer is through.
Quote from: 69_500 on March 20, 2009, 03:45:48 PM
So maxwellwedge, when are you going to hop in the Doc Tona and drive it down to Indy for me to look it over. I'm free most weekends. :)
Just kidding, I do intend to get up that way to check the car out though before the summer is through.
As soon as it's finished I am driving it....maybe not as far as Indy - but I'm driving it! :drive:
Come on up!
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 20, 2009, 09:56:33 AM
You drive these cars enough and they will get damaged. It's not if...it's when.
why would you think that? OBVIOUSLY your risk goes up, but to what end? not every car ends up wrecked, and certainly not every car involved in an accident is a total loss. besides, the down time you'll spend parts hunting means you won't be driving the car...like you wouldn't be driving it if you just left it parked. they're not daily drivers. our cars came cheap--the B5 car cost $2400 in 1976. if it had gotten wrecked three weeks later, the insurance company would have written a check for the value of the car, just like they'd do today. it would just be a lot bigger number.
also, think about what happens to a car that doesn't get driven. I drove one on Wednesday--an '80 Turbo Trans Am with 5600 miles. coolant hose went pop. mechanical things don't like getting mothballed.
i know there's a large group of people who enjoy owning cars to simply own (and not drive) them, but I'll never understand.
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 20, 2009, 09:56:33 AM
You drive these cars enough and they will get damaged. It's not if...it's when.
We had a lady change lanes and run us into the next lane just last week while driving the Roadrunner. You would think that people could see a land yacht coming down the road.
The down side of having an accident would be having to locate the parts and then having to paint the entire car because of the difficulty of matching old faded paint. That and not getting to drive the car for a while.
27 yrs and 16,000mi,guess I've been lucky! :shruggy:If something were to happen,so be it.It's insured and I personally can't see having something i cant drive.If some want to drag their car around on a trailer,that's their choice and,they are at just as much risk and possibly more.Ever see someone lose a trailer? I have.
I have 154,000 miles on the bird and loved every one of them. Just look at the top of my drivers door---no paint,but i had fun :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :boogie: :vert:
You guys are not driving these cars as much as I'm talking about. 16,000 miles in 27 years isn't exactly driving a car. That's 1.5 miles a day.
No wonder you've never had an accident. My mom drives further than that to bingo and back. I drove the runner over 500 miles last week. Now that's driving. True, there are only 250,000 people in this little backwoods part of Arkansas, but that's enough people on the road for me. It was great before the snowbirds started moving down. Nothing against the people, just the numbers of people. ;D
I guess having been an insurance adjustor and then a body shop manager for the last 30 years has made me bitter. I've had to deal with multiple accidents almost every day. The drivers that are on the road today in no way resemble the drivers of twenty or more years ago. There are far more cars, the drivers are easily distracted (cell phones) and many of them are downright morons. Add into the equation the high mounted taillamps on all new vehicles manufactured in the last 20 years. That means that nearly 100% of all cars on the highway have the hmtl's. People just don't look down to see the brake lamps nowadays and they especially don't see our 40 year old non-led taillamps.
I agree about not driving a car being bad for them. I have a full time job keeping the batteries up on all of my cars. That's why we drive them in rotation. We do tend to drive some more than others though.
Quote from: 62 Max on March 20, 2009, 05:48:47 PM
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 20, 2009, 09:56:33 AM
You drive these cars enough and they will get damaged. It's not if...it's when.
We had a lady change lanes and run us into the next lane just last week while driving the Roadrunner. You would think that people could see a land yacht coming down the road.
The down side of having an accident would be having to locate the parts and then having to paint the entire car because of the difficulty of matching old faded paint. That and not getting to drive the car for a while.
27 yrs and 16,000mi,guess I've been lucky! :shruggy:If something were to happen,so be it.It's insured and I personally can't see having something i cant drive.If some want to drag their car around on a trailer,that's their choice and,they are at just as much risk and possibly more.Ever see someone lose a trailer? I have.
I had my superbird appraised and was fully insured.But at the time in the 80s there was no speciality muscle car insurance agencys where I lived .So I had to use are regular car and house insurer.Which was nationwide .But the other guy had no insurance and got a DUI for drinking.I got my car back and had to salvage it to recoup any money .I had 19K mile 440 6 pack superbird rear ended by a truck .I got the car back for salvage value $500.00.and had to part it out to get money buy another car .Ted Janak bought most of this car to cast his parts from
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/1970_SUPERBIRD_QTR_ORANGE_01.jpg)
So after all that was done I landed a clone daytonaa .That got sold to buy a real daytona I found near home
That sux. :o
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You guys are not driving these cars as much as I'm talking about. 16,000 miles in 27 years isn't exactly driving a car. That's 1.5 miles a day. Quote/.
That's a rediculous statement but,every day I drive it 1.5mi !
You guys all act like you drive your cars all of the time. You don't and can't admit that. The poor thing stays in the garage most of it's life. It's pampered. It's little more than a trailer queen, only without the trailer. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 20, 2009, 07:39:11 PM
You guys all act like you drive your cars all of the time. You don't and can't admit that. The poor thing stays in the garage most of it's life. It's pampered. It's little more than a trailer queen, only without the trailer. :icon_smile_big:
Here's my garage!
I know where there's three birds sitting in a field down in south Arkansas like that.
Hey, that sort of looks like my back yard...only smaller. :nana:
Wayne Johnson still have his superbirds
Yep, and at the price he's asking, he may have them for a long time. :yesnod:
Nice guy though. I always enjoy talking to him. He's been trying to get me to trade one of my 71 Cudas towards one of his birds.
I really want a bird but I don't want to pay top dollar and still have to do a total restoration on top of it all.
I'll keep looking and if I find the right bird at the right price, my 401K is going to be a little smaller.
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 20, 2009, 10:27:06 PM
I know where there's three birds sitting in a field down in south Arkansas like that.
Hey, that sort of looks like my back yard...only smaller. :nana:
Actually,its a little bigger if you change direction!
Mr policeman like my car very much, when I was a sundaydriving few weeks ago, his first question was "what the f..k is this :notworthy: :patrol:
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Quote from: tyly on March 21, 2009, 07:08:33 AM
Mr policeman like my car very much, when I was a sundaydriving few weeks ago, his first question was "what the f..k is this :notworthy: :patrol:
(http://kuvablogi.com/nayta/prev/img1692012.jpg)
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Quote from: tyly on March 21, 2009, 07:08:33 AM
Mr policeman like my car very much, when I was a sundaydriving few weeks ago, his first question was "what the f..k is this :notworthy: :patrol:
Great picture! :cheers:
Cool....we.ve been getting some hard looks from the locals ourselves this past week.
I need to check the glove box to see if the paperwork is up to date.
Quote from: tyly on March 21, 2009, 07:08:33 AM
"what the f..k is this :notworthy: :patrol:
I know what ya mean :nana:
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:smilielol: that's great :lol:
Man, I didn't realize that Ross was a beer drinking, drunk driving mofo. :2thumbs:
Quote from: hotrod98 on March 20, 2009, 07:10:27 PM
You guys are not driving these cars as much as I'm talking about. 16,000 miles in 27 years isn't exactly driving a car. That's 1.5 miles a day.
No wonder you've never had an accident.
well, we have over 60K miles in 32 years. that's 5 miles a day, and you know what they say about people having more accidents within 5 miles of home...
also, I live in Cleveland. cool that you drove your car 500 miles last week--I haven't even opened the door to verify the car's still there since November. figure many of us can't drive the cars for half a year.
another point is that I'm spoiled by newer cars. my crappy $1000 '93 Ranger with 185,000 miles on it still has working A/C, cruise, cloth seats, HD radio, etc. COULD I drive the 'bird daily? Sure...but I'm not going to. half the mileage, AM radio, vinyl seats, loud exhaust... it gets old, especially running 75 miles a day round trip. I don't have a problem stopping to get groceries, toys at walmart, etc. when the car is already out, though, and sometimes it's cool to drive it for no good reason. I'm far lazier than afraid someone's going to change lanes on me.
I sure hope that everyone knows that I'm jerking everybody's chains. The cloners know me too well.
I'm envious of the guys with the real cars, but not jealous. My wife and I had our annual conversation today about renewing the search for a real bird. We both agree that we need to wait just a little longer. Some day I'll own a real bird and I'll drive it fairly often. For now, we plan to add front disc brakes and install a new tranny and convertor that we've had sitting in a crate to make the runner a little more safe and reliable. I'll probably drive it to Branson for Mopars in May. That will add another 500 miles to the odometer right there. We take the scenic route.
What we plan to look for in a bird is a non matchng numbers restorable car that is decently solid, but not necessarily perfect body wise.
I don't expect to get it dirt cheap but it shouldn't be as expensive as a matching numbers survivor or freshly restored car. Time will tell.
Drive a car??? What is the matter with you guys? Chrysler never intended for a car to be driven, you're supposed to lock it up in your garage and brag(er...I mean, tell) everyone you meet about it.
I find these 'price' and 'What's it worth?" threads absolutely hilarious sometimes. It's like some people honestly believe that prices will just rise forever! Give your friggin' head a shake. Been into Mopars a long time. Mopars went up in value in the early 80's after Dukes and movies using them and everyone starts hoarding them. Prices go way up, wow! Late 80's prices came back to 'normal' for about 10 years. Then the 'Million Dollar Hemi Cuda' thing hits. Now this time, it's not just 'Mopar guys' (and I use that one loosely), but every flipping business man from all over the globe has to get in on the action. Oh sorry, they aren't business people, they are 'Muscle Enthusiasts'. Now, the whole world, is just now, realizing they are in debt and the economy slows. Prices will go down for a few years (yes, it will be years, period).
I realize the 'Good Old Days' will never return:
- when guys bought/race/traded these car because they actually liked them
- when arm-chair stock brokers were not getting info in chatrooms about this car they 'found'
- when Mom and Dad said, "If you want that car, get working and save up for it"
- when you could actual drive the car
- when 'Barnfinds' were rats, mice or maybe a skunk
- when bodyshops actually just fixed these cars, instead of being pseudo-car lots
- and when banks did NOT finance 'old' cars
Sorry if it seemed like a rant, it's just that I view them as cars, simply cars, not idols or 401K's. They rust and decay just like Toyotas and in the end...really won't matter, will they?
Forget the Wing car- I think i can have MORE fun with the Monkey ! :o :yesnod: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
Quote from: GeneralLeeTESH on March 30, 2009, 01:39:50 PM
Forget the Wing car- I think i can have MORE fun with the Monkey ! :o :yesnod: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
what you do on your own time is your own business. this is a family forum, thank you very much.