Anyone have any info on this car before we buy it?
We know it was sold new at Waco Dodge and has been in TX ever since
Will look and see
Thats awesome, I hope the deal works well for you!
Beginning to wonder about scam. I have emailed guy twice on this 69 Daytona giving my cell phone, telling I will bring cash tomorrow if real but he is not calling me back. Could just be someone who doesn't check email but I'm beginning to wonder. All I've got are 6 pictures of a basket case, an email address, and that it has 440 4 speed. Not running for years from the looks of it, but original radio and questionable original paint color make me think it has been parked for 25-30 years in Texas. Trying to adjust my work flight schedules to fly in there if I hear from him tonight.
hope it works out :yesnod: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :popcrn:
If I was to go with that much cash,...I would not go alone! Preferably 2 large friends. :scratchchin:
Not a scam
Unlicensed, Undriven Unstarted since 1981. 4-speed console, green f6, Dana,
Don't have permission to say more right now. Trying to do the deal!
Ryan-this is a story for you!
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Fender tag has a code I do not know n31 anyone know it?
Inside storage in private garage since 81, now outside so I need to get it quick
Also car 541 also from waco dodge as car 542
N31 ? Maybe typo on tag for p31 pw what options does car have
Found a code n31 opt compression ration ???
Yeah I found that-do you know what that means? Rest of code is 440 4 barrel
Tach, trak pack with Dana. Am radio, buckets, console, f6, built 5/20/69,
My old daytona had the big A on engine pad indication 0.20. Oversize bore
Ahh that could be it, thanks
Check the pad by distributor see what letters are there I did t have n31 on fender tag on mine
most charger tags have M21 and M31, are you sure you're not looking at a M31 maybe near the screw making it look like a N instead of a M?
Possible belt moulding code.
M31. https://www.google.com/search?sclient=tablet-gws&site=&source=hp&q=69+daytona+fender+tag&oq=69&gs_l=tablet-gws.1.0.35i39j0i67j0i20.2268.3022.0.4667.3.3.0.0.0.0.361.639. .0j2j0j1.3.0....0...1c.1j4.64.tablet-gws..0.2.275.0.dKIh_cO8BEU#imgrc=HhcoXjizBAD6M%3A
Compare M & N code fonts agai_nst. your daytona
Pretty clearly N31. I made a full price offer last night, haven't heard back yet-the guy is very close to the chest which is fine with me.
Cool car!
Is this the Austin, Texas car?
Yes
I too emailed about the car. No response though.
Project daytona ?
Wow I would be all hyped up too if I found that....sure looks to be a great project and priced way under the market.
Is it legit?
Hopefully someone who loves these wingcars can get it. :2thumbs:
Dave
Price is way low barn find in alabama was bought at 115K sold auction 89K .I believe its a legit car I spent sometime in Austin visiting family.So ewhere around 4 th street there were some daytona parts for sale blue fender scoops as I recall
Hard to believe it is legit at that price. Not impossible. But if it was, you know the car would be sold on the first day.
Best offer can go both ways. He may be waiting for the highest offer. :Twocents:
so what was the price? I see many folks reference how low it was, but I don't see it mentioned anywhere? It is possible I missed it, I do read quickly ;D
In the ad it says that he's been getting a lot of emails... Let the popcorn continue.... :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
What is he asking?
I haven't seen the advert... but I wouldn't have been saying anything until it was in my shop, just sayin! :rotz: :rotz:
Quote from: Wingnut426 on April 12, 2016, 11:24:51 AM
Best offer can go both ways. He may be waiting for the highest offer. :Twocents:
Pete,
I was thinking the same thing my self on the best offer!
If it's a legit Daytona and the owner was smart enough to list it on Hemmings he may be looking for a bidding war to erupt!
I"ll bet it goes for more than the listing price if the first buyer didn't lock in before the e-mail's started pouring in!
MJ
Pics:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0yiRxRtmJ_xT1JlUlRhQjFkWTg&usp=drive_web
Well I know one offer is over the asking price. I am all in.
Quote from: 69_500 on April 12, 2016, 03:06:19 PM
Well I know one offer is over the asking price. I am all in.
First one that sees the car in person will own it. Who's making the mad voyage??
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on April 12, 2016, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on April 12, 2016, 03:06:19 PM
Well I know one offer is over the asking price. I am all in.
First one that sees the car in person will own it. Who's making the mad voyage??
Gotta find out where he lives first..... lol
Might be sam saxtons car
Quote from: Homerr on April 12, 2016, 12:55:40 PM
Pics:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0yiRxRtmJ_xT1JlUlRhQjFkWTg&usp=drive_web
:2thumbs:
wow :o :drool5: :drive: ....... :popcrn:
:popcrn:
It must have many outstanding tickets to have a tire boot on it while sitting on jack stands :lol:
I can be in there in a mere 15 hours. Just need him to tell me to come get it.
Odds are I will not get it, but man 20+ years of searching, one of these days it will be me coming home with one.
I saw that on FB today. At 35k I was thinking scam or un-iformed seller.
Count me in at 35k.....hell even 40k, I'm hooking the trailer up now......
I bet the OP wishes he never started this thread :brickwall:.....I hope he's first in line.....Good luck Taxspeaker :2thumbs:
I certainly hope that who ever gets the car is not a flipper.
Has ANYONE heard back from the owner? I am willing to drive over there, but only if I hear back from the owner or if someone else has.......
T
Wow!
Someone is going to get a GREAT project.
I Love it !
Quote from: 69_500 on April 13, 2016, 07:04:04 AM
I certainly hope that who ever gets the car is not a flipper.
Absolutely. It was probably sold on 4/9 after the email thing got straightened out.
Troy
I am in constant contact with the owner and am doing a final inspection Saturday. I have chosen not to post anymore on the car after getting hijacked by the others, but if we close the deal after final inspection I will provide info on board. Lesson learned about asking questions when you haven't bought the car yet! The owner is VERY concerned and touchy on the sale, and knows I am not a flipper, but we have some mutual things that got me through the front door I think.
Bob
Good Luck Taxspeaker!
This must be an exciting, as well as nerve racking experience, all at the same time.
I was afraid for taxspeaker when i saw the OP and the word email was mentioned. Figured everyone be all over the web searching. As mentioned hopefully a flipper doesn't get ahold of it.
All kinds of stuff still out there.I hope to stumble across a willys coupe project that i can afford one day too.
Quote from: taxspeaker on April 13, 2016, 10:58:40 AM
Troy
I am in constant contact with the owner and am doing a final inspection Saturday. I have chosen not to post anymore on the car after getting hijacked by the others, but if we close the deal after final inspection I will provide info on board. Lesson learned about asking questions when you haven't bought the car yet! The owner is VERY concerned and touchy on the sale, and knows I am not a flipper, but we have some mutual things that got me through the front door I think.
Bob
Whatcha going to do about the green?..... You're always on the look out for rare white mopars.. :icon_smile_big:
This make 3 Daytonas I know of sitting in backyards... The proverbial "they are still out there".....
Ricks X9 daytons was garaged
Best of luck on the car. When I had originally contacted them about the car, I did not know anyone else from the board was after the car. At least if you get it, I can do a shorter drive to see the car.
i'm amazed it requires a "final inspection", especially anywhere near the price mentioned here.
hell, i wouldn't take 50k for mine, and it's missing the entire nose.
ernie's inbox gonna be full!
Yeah the green, the green, the green- I'm thinking about a lifestyle change or something to live with it. White has always been my color, maybe I need to sell the other ones instead! Actually selling the AAR to get the money for this one-goes on the bay Monday, but the Alaska bird won't go while I'm here!
Bob
Ernie, if you will not take 50 for yours I will bump it to 51. :smilielol:
F6 is a great color. With perhaps 40% of the Daytonas being R4 or V2, when you find one that isn't, that's a real bonus.
Quote from: Aero426 on April 14, 2016, 09:26:23 AM
With perhaps 40% of the Daytonas being R4 or V2
This is a bit off-topic, but looking at the Daytona Registry that Homerr is managing, were there sequential batches of Daytonas painted the same color?
QuoteI am in constant contact with the owner and am doing a final inspection Saturday. I have chosen not to post anymore on the car after getting hijacked by the others, but if we close the deal after final inspection I will provide info on board. Lesson learned about asking questions when you haven't bought the car yet!
I had the same experience with my 500 battling off hijackers AFTER a deal was struck with the owner. I didn't mention it to a soul until it I had the title and the car was home.
I agree with the previous comment: Leave now and inspect it when you are loading onto your trailer!
Good luck!! :cheers:
Hope all goes well in this great price unkown car authentic all body numbers and get docs pics buildsheet eyc
Quote from: Aero426 on April 14, 2016, 09:26:23 AM
F6 is a great color. With perhaps 40% of the Daytonas being R4 or V2, when you find one that isn't, that's a real bonus.
with a third pedal, to boot
Quote from: 69_500 on April 14, 2016, 08:43:37 AM
Ernie, if you will not take 50 for yours I will bump it to 51. :smilielol:
danny, it's in my will for the daughters to call you first since neither of them has any interest in it. now i have to jot down that figure as a hidden footnote, so one or both of the girls doesn't decide to just off me....
i'm still shaking my head that the words "inspection" and "offer" were not simply "it's loaded on a transporter and headed my way".
Quote from: held1823 on April 14, 2016, 07:23:40 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on April 14, 2016, 09:26:23 AM
F6 is a great color. With perhaps 40% of the Daytonas being R4 or V2, when you find one that isn't, that's a real bonus.
with a third pedal, to boot
Quote from: 69_500 on April 14, 2016, 08:43:37 AM
Ernie, if you will not take 50 for yours I will bump it to 51. :smilielol:
danny, it's in my will for the daughters to call you first since neither of them has any interest in it. now i have to jot down that figure as a hidden footnote, so one or both of the girls doesn't decide to just off me....
i'm still shaking my head that the words "inspection" and "offer" were not simply "it's loaded on a transporter and headed my way".
52
knock it off, or my friends list will be thinned by morning. lol
Quote from: Aero426 on April 14, 2016, 09:26:23 AM
F6 is a great color. With perhaps 40% of the Daytonas being R4 or V2, when you find one that isn't, that's a real bonus.
Agreed F6 :2thumbs: Very limited production car X very limited color = :icon_smile_approve:
Saw this car adverstised on Hemmings yesterday, but I didnt think there was any reason to send an email as there are already plenty of people in line for it.
Quote from: Davtona on April 14, 2016, 08:48:55 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on April 14, 2016, 09:26:23 AM
F6 is a great color. With perhaps 40% of the Daytonas being R4 or V2, when you find one that isn't, that's a real bonus.
Agreed F6 :2thumbs: Very limited production car X very limited color = :icon_smile_approve:
You might be a little biased on the liking of F6 though Dave.
It is the third most common color that I have seen. Over 40 that I have seen anyways.
Pretty color though. And it would look good in my new garage.
Man, I am starting to think my V2 Daytona is a "run of the mill" kind of car.. :lol:
When I first saw the headlights, I thought "man, that will be tough to find headlight doors"...then the doors showed up in the trunk pic, sweet! Dodged a bullet on those. :2thumbs:
Looking forward to seeing how this story turns out.
Well Bob, we're waiting...LOL. How did it go today? :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Quick summary-I did not get it and it will take more to buy it then the barn find went for since I was higher than that. I could still end up with it if the sale to the New York investment banker who didn't need a 2nd mortgage and the sale of his prize Aar cuda to pay 6 figures falls through. I'm hoping for a stock market crash Monday. I understand money talks and the owner has been upfront all along, but my opinion is I am in 2nd place and the bid goes on at 6 figures now. Once something final occurs this week I will post, with pictures and inspection information.
I am hoping to go look at it next Sunday, we'll see.... Not for me, but for a couple of friends.... Albeit it is my "dream" car being F6 and a 4speed, I have committed to my Daytona for the long haul, especially since the thing has a 426 in it know... Maybe he'll trade for a Superbird project..? :smilielol:
Sucks to lose out on a car, especially when you think you have it sewn up. I lost a deal once after the seller had my $25,000 deposit. Never count your deals until they are on your trailer. It sucks, but money makes some people act very strange at times. In this case I believe the way the ad was worded the seller was looking for multiple buyers.
Serious sellers and serious buyers use Hemmings so any thoughts this Daytona would sell anywhere near $35,000 was a pipe dream.
Six figures is not out of line for a three pedal Daytona project that appears to be solid and fairly complete.
Thought it was low after the alabama barn find.Got so much attention.And with hemming online anyone getting a advanced hard copy on priority list .Could have locked this car before going online.It was advertised 35 K OR Best offer
So a project car needing a complete resto is bid at $100K at this point, yet this restored Daytona (Hodge's) gets barely bid to $90K ???
WTF ? I don't get it... :shruggy:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-/222063725540?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Goj%252B%252FiCEMG2d7Dr78kJL6jVqE%252FA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
boy, that sucks. i feel for ya man.
I disagree, THIS project car is not worth anywhere near $100,000. Really barely worth $35,000. This car needs a ton of restoration! Look at comparable cars right now that are for sale! Get real, we don't know if it is a matching numbers car, original engine and trans. It has an extreme amount of rot for a Texas car! It had a really hard life and has not been running since 1981. The motor is most probably seized. There is a crank shaft behind the drivers seat and the original shifter is gone, with a '70s pistol grip in its place. The car was really abused for only 12 years of life! Where is the front spoiler? Where is the scissors jack?
I sold my Y2 Yellow Daytona, and it had 25,000 miles on it all original matching numbers 4-speed car. No rust ever all original sheet metal! Nothing missing at all. So I know a little about what Daytona's are worth and what the market will bare. I have been reading about all you people going ga ga over this car and you all need to stand back and take a breath! If that stupid investment banker pays $100,000.00 for this care he is just an fool with to much money! It is not worth it! moonlithaven. :flame: :flame: :flame:
Quote from: rt green on April 17, 2016, 04:36:37 PM
boy, that sucks. i feel for ya man.
R/T , not sure if you're thinking the auction car is mine, but it's not.
It's just an example of the crazy stuff that's been happening .
And agree with you Moonlit , the top bidder's got shite for brains.
I think the last "barn find" Daytona, started a current craze ! :brickwall:
Well, hope the investment banker deal falls through. I would have liked to be a fly on the wall when he opened up his big mouth.... My fingers are crossed for you!
Quote from: WINGIN IT on April 17, 2016, 04:03:24 PM
So a project car needing a complete resto is bid at $100K at this point, yet this restored Daytona (Hodge's) gets barely bid to $90K ???
WTF ? I don't get it... :shruggy:
My guess here only but its pretty common knowledge the extensive amount of sheet metal work that was done to this car. Comes down to how good a job do you think they did replacing the whole back half of the car. Thoughts probably are the F6 car may not need as much sheet metal work. And it is a 4 speed. Projects always go for more than they should probably because people know what their getting and they are more affordable. Besides the bid to 92K meant nothing with a reserve and a buy it now of 199K. Nobody was buying that car for much less than the buy it now price I would imagine. :Twocents:
Quote from: 69_500 on April 15, 2016, 03:47:08 PM
You might be a little biased on the liking of F6 though Dave.
It is the third most common color that I have seen. Over 40 that I have seen anyways.
Pretty color though. And it would look good in my new garage.
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 16, 2016, 07:28:56 AM
Man, I am starting to think my V2 Daytona is a "run of the mill" kind of car.. :lol:
Yes Danny I'm maybe a little bias I guess. :smilielol:
Yes Troy your car is a "run of the mill" kind of car. :smilielol: Give it to Danny it will look good in his new garage. :lol:
Agreed that 100k is way too much for an investor. After flying to Austin and carefully crawling over, under and through the car it is not worth that much particularly to a flipper or someone who will hire out everything as an investment. I think to hire it out, after my detail exam I think he will be looking at:
Body/paint 40-50k (minimum) to whatever you want to spend for driver or concourse-substantial work is needed for rust repair, dents and hole repair and a complete nose cone rebuild.
Engine-unknown-no obvious holes in the block, but as a minimum a full bore/rebuild 10-20k if you go NOS, carb is shot too, missing air cleaner
Trans/clutch/rear end-same as above 10k, maybe more if you want the correct shifter
Front suspension-shot 3-4k
Rear suspension-shot, springs are too brittle to re-arch in my experience 1-3k
Gas tank/lines/brakes-all shot 2k
Electronics-wiring all bad and mouse chewed-3k
Dash instruments & switches-all shot 4 k
Interior-all shot and mouse eaten-5-10k
tires and the many things not mentioned 10k
So low end resto if you hire it out 88k plus 100k cost to buy the car and you have a 188k driver,
Spend another 60=70 and you have a 250k concourse 440 (not 426) which is way over market price if they do the numbers. I hope they do-as an investment the numbers don't work.
Now my thoughts when I took the check and the offer-I am not interested in the financial value of the car in any way, shape or form. I am interested in at least 1 more father/son 2-3 year resto project while I am still physically able to do it, and I don't frankly care about a financial return just about a great hobby, time with my son and maybe a grandson, and since we would do everything ourselves except the paint/body work I think I could do most everything for parts only and a little machine work. When we were done we would have a real Dodge Daytona that we could say we did together-how do you value that? I would say that's worth more than any dollar amount to me at least. So my entry bid was way out of range because I want the car for this capstone of my son and my 20 years of car restorations, and I am still willing to overpay for it to get that.
So it's not always about the money on these cars!
Still hoping the banker backs out, and I do appreciate everyone's opinions and input-the neat thing about this group is the varied opinions from all, the willingness to help, and the willingness to give an opinion!
Bob J
Quote from: taxspeaker on April 17, 2016, 09:23:21 PM
-I am not interested in the financial value of the car in any way, shape or form. I am interested in at least 1 more father/son 2-3 year resto project while I am still physically able to do it, and I don't frankly care about a financial return just about a great hobby, time with my son and maybe a grandson, and since we would do everything ourselves except the paint/body work I think I could do most everything for parts only and a little machine work. When we were done we would have a real Dodge Daytona that we could say we did together-how do you value that? I would say that's worth more than any dollar amount to me at least.
Right on Bob! :cheers: The father and some project thing is VERY COOL! I just got back from taking two of my three boys for a cruise!
Quote
So it's not always about the money on these cars!
^^^ THIS ^^^ this is the mindset for many of us with lifelong connections to these cars
Any back history was this original owner any pics of fender tag or buildsheet or body numbers
Best of luck Bob. I wish I could have done a project with my son. He was never interested, but he is a good man and father, so I could have done much wirse.
sorry to hear it did not pan out
Quote from: held1823 on April 17, 2016, 09:41:50 PM
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So it's not always about the money on these cars!
^^^ THIS ^^^
this is the mindset for many of us with lifelong connections to these cars
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: true ! :cheers:
Aww crap, I opened this thread today hoping to see pics of you loading it up on your trailer! Well, hopefully another one will come your way that won't need as much work.
Quote from: Charger_Fan on April 18, 2016, 12:48:50 PM
Aww crap, I opened this thread today hoping to see pics of you loading it up on your trailer! Well, hopefully another one will come your way that won't need as much work.
This.
Quote from: taxspeaker on April 17, 2016, 09:23:21 PM
Agreed that 100k is way too much for an investor. After flying to Austin and carefully crawling over, under and through the car it is not worth that much particularly to a flipper or someone who will hire out everything as an investment. I think to hire it out, after my detail exam I think he will be looking at:
Body/paint 40-50k (minimum) to whatever you want to spend for driver or concourse-substantial work is needed for rust repair, dents and hole repair and a complete nose cone rebuild.
Engine-unknown-no obvious holes in the block, but as a minimum a full bore/rebuild 10-20k if you go NOS, carb is shot too, missing air cleaner
Trans/clutch/rear end-same as above 10k, maybe more if you want the correct shifter
Front suspension-shot 3-4k
Rear suspension-shot, springs are too brittle to re-arch in my experience 1-3k
Gas tank/lines/brakes-all shot 2k
Electronics-wiring all bad and mouse chewed-3k
Dash instruments & switches-all shot 4 k
Interior-all shot and mouse eaten-5-10k
tires and the many things not mentioned 10k
So low end resto if you hire it out 88k plus 100k cost to buy the car and you have a 188k driver,
Spend another 60=70 and you have a 250k concourse 440 (not 426) which is way over market price if they do the numbers. I hope they do-as an investment the numbers don't work.
Now my thoughts when I took the check and the offer-I am not interested in the financial value of the car in any way, shape or form. I am interested in at least 1 more father/son 2-3 year resto project while I am still physically able to do it, and I don't frankly care about a financial return just about a great hobby, time with my son and maybe a grandson, and since we would do everything ourselves except the paint/body work I think I could do most everything for parts only and a little machine work. When we were done we would have a real Dodge Daytona that we could say we did together-how do you value that? I would say that's worth more than any dollar amount to me at least. So my entry bid was way out of range because I want the car for this capstone of my son and my 20 years of car restorations, and I am still willing to overpay for it to get that.
So it's not always about the money on these cars!
Still hoping the banker backs out, and I do appreciate everyone's opinions and input-the neat thing about this group is the varied opinions from all, the willingness to help, and the willingness to give an opinion!
Bob J
Thanks for taking the time to update us. I have been eagerly following along as with many on here I think it is our dream to stumble upon something like this. Even with its issues I see it as being a great project. It seems like from what has been said already that the car was underpriced on purpose to get multiple bids...sort of what they do in real estate
Did a family member passing the reason the car is up for sale?
Thanks again,
Dave
Can you tell if this is a real Daytona from the little info provided? VIN is XX29L9B386542 but XX could indicate Daytona or 500. If real, 35K seems like a good price...? I am not the right person to restore but maybe someone here is...?
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/dodge/daytona/1824668.html#PhotoSwipe1460734561938 (http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/dodge/daytona/1824668.html#PhotoSwipe1460734561938)
its real but it aint 35k
The owner is very tight-lipped with the information and because I am still "in the running" I want to respect his wishes. There is some information I think he would be comfortable with disclosing that doesn't.
The car was bought from the first owner in 1972 or 1973 by the seller's brother, who was a police chief in a small Texas town. The owner went to law school in the late 70's and stopped driving the car in 1981 at which point it was parked in the seller's garage. After many years the seller moved and moved the car as well, putting it on those jack stands in a temporary tyvek structure protected from the elements and far enough off the ground to avoid ground rot and where it still sits. The seller has poured 3 concrete pillars hemming the car in at some point in the past!The owner passed away and the title transferred to the seller and his sister who are now selling it for the estate. The seller does not remember if the car was running when parked in 1981, does know about a minor front end bump that knocked out the headlight doors. The owner does not know much about Mopars and I pointed out some obvious things like where to look for the engine SN, trans #, etc. I am carefully not saying whether it is numbers matching or not without the owner's permission, and I won't blow my "still hoping" chances with more info as yet, sorry.
Bob
Why not just post it on ebay if looking for best bid ?
I hate games when trying to buy something.
Quote from: 41husk on April 19, 2016, 01:36:24 PM
its real but it aint 35k
Misprint or fake ad? Sounds like you know something the rest of us don't.
I think that is the Texas car being discussed over on the aero page. If so a member here was out bid by a banker in the 6 figure range.
It is the same car :popcrn:
I should have checked the Aero section of the forum but went and read the entire thread. Let's hope the NY banker backs out! I learned about the car in my Year One daily email with 30% discount.
:yesnod: :popcrn:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,123358.0.html
With my current purple Charger I had got online to tell my buddies about agreeing to purchase it. No money had exchanged hands yet but the seller was an upfront dude that I had known for years. He knew I had always wanted an FC7 Charger.
It took about a month to finalize since he was in school in Seattle. One time I called his family's house & his mom said someone had been calling about Mike's car being for sale and wanting to buy it. She couldn't figure out why someone was calling on it. Mike hadn't even told his parents he was gonna sell the car he & his Father restored....I didn't say anything.
But my big mouth had almost cost me my car. Lesson learned.
A little different since it was never advertised until I blabbed my mouth.
I hope this works out for you. :nixon: < closest to fingers crossed smiley
I emailed the Daytona seller. He told me that the top offer was $55,000. He also sent me documents to open and for some reason google says I have to ask the sender permission to open. I have asked for permission and I still have not been able to open up the pics and Daytona documents. I agree, why mess around and play games, list the darn thing on ebay or have an auction.
RS
I contacted the seller on the Sat. the 9th. I'm sure I was among some of the first to email him. He contacted me back a couple of times and sent me the 75 pics. I emailed him 4 more times over the next 5 days and he never responded again. He refuses to give me the courtesy of responding and telling me anything at all. This seller is a real jerk any he is just playing everybody just to make the most amount of money on this car!
He has no idea what I would have even offered on the car because he never gave me the common courtesy of answering my emails! Stay away from this guy he is trouble.
Randy :brickwall:
I would say that more than likely the seller has been inundated with countless calls and emails about the car. So I'm imagining he's trying to honor the first couple of offers and give those first dibs on the car before going down a long list of interested buyers.
Looks like a deal at first but as others have pointed out a 35 thousand dollar car can quickly balloon into tens of thousands above the purchase price just to restore the car. 100 thousand dollars to restore the car wouldn't be hard to do with this car.
Whoever does end up with this car hopefully fairs far better than the last barn find Daytona that didn't even come close to the estimate. Just because the restored cars are worth 6 figures doesn't mean a rusty basket case can fetch the same price.
"OBO"
Yah, not the way you'd expect "OBO" to work... but that was the plan going in!
Quote from: bigdsul on April 19, 2016, 08:11:18 PM
Looks like a deal at first but as others have pointed out a 35 thousand dollar car can quickly balloon into tens of thousands above the purchase price just to restore the car. 100 thousand dollars to restore the car wouldn't be hard to do with this car.
No deal as he was just fishing for offers and currently at 6 figure offer. No phone number listed only email to lurk all the possible offers.
iv contacted the guy he said i could go and pick it up this weekend :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA:
its for me ;) ;) ;) i spent 36000
:2thumbs:
Is that a boot on the right front wheel
Quote from: 41husk on April 19, 2016, 01:52:37 PM
I think that is the Texas car being discussed over on the aero page. If so a member here was out bid by a banker in the 6 figure range.
Going over Sunday or next to go look at it...... at least that's the game plan.......
Consolidated threads to keep the discussion in one place.
Carry on...
:cheers:
Good troys checking it over wonder if fenders etc are original s .I recall fender scoops 4 sale in Austin
Any developments on this daytona
Quote from: nascarxx29 on April 25, 2016, 10:26:24 PM
Any developments on this daytona
I will be checking it out on either Saturday or Sunday...
With an engine compartment that dirty & the paint peeling off the way it is, I'd have to pass on it.
Owner is still holding out as is his right-I am still in running he says.
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 26, 2016, 06:57:31 AM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on April 25, 2016, 10:26:24 PM
Any developments on this daytona
I will be checking it out on either Saturday or Sunday...
Troy,
I am confused!
I thought that this Daytona was to be sold to an investment banker over a week ago?
If that deal fell through our fellow forum member "taxspeaker" was to have the next chance at it!
Why would it still be available to others to look at?
MJ
If the owner it still "holding out", are those other "six figure offers" even real?
It is my understanding from the information he sends out that the "obo" part of the price is in effect until the ad runs its course of time. During this time, he is listening and I think offers have weight by those who have actually come to see the car. He once had drama about a car he sold a long time ago to a cat that didn't come and look at it. He doesn't want to relive that frustrating episode again. I personally can totally understand his point of view. Of course, from a buyer's point of view, it is frustrating in its own right. On the phone he seems like a straight up sort of guy..
I have a few stories of my own of "no show buyers who "promised" back then, but I got over it. ::) But I suppose a guy who hangs onto a car like this is probably a little unique in his thinking. Met plenty of that kind in my day, which makes me kinda glad I'm not a frontrunner in this particular game.
Pretty tough situation if you are looking to buy. If I had the expenses to go see the car I wouldn't want to leave without getting a deal done. I would think his approach may turn off more than a few potential buyers. As much as I would want the opportunity to buy a car like this I would want to know how much the seller wants, and when I could bring the car home.
Just too many hoops to jump through for too much uncertainty.
What a cool car though...I wish all you guys going for it the best of luck.
I wonder how long this will play out? I just couldn't see leaving an open offer on the table...anyway I am just rambling on now :lol:
Dave
All this be solved if he put it up for bid on ebay since he is looking to get the top dollar. From what i gather currently you need to go see the car, make an offer then leave and wait till he collects all other bids..... What a crock.
No ebay fees this way
This guy would piss off less people if he would have been clear in his ad what he was doing.
Buying a house in a hot market is like this, but they announce the day they are accepting bids until. And one frequently has to write a 'love letter' about how you will love it and cherish it and not sell it a year later.
Quote from: 41husk on April 27, 2016, 09:50:43 AM
No ebay fees this way
At the very most he would be looking at is $200 if he listed it and it sold on Ebay...unless I am missing something?
Dave
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on April 27, 2016, 10:02:38 AM
Quote from: 41husk on April 27, 2016, 09:50:43 AM
No ebay fees this way
At the very most he would be looking at is $200 if he listed it and it sold on Ebay...unless I am missing something?
Dave
Thats what i was thinking i believe $150k to list over x amount then some other fees ontop.
I mean no offence , to anyone potential buyers or the seller him self . :cheers: :cheers:
! sounds like a lot of messing around with this , seller ! IMO if I was in a position to buy a Daytona , I would not deal with this guy now if , he had the last Daytona on the planet :Twocents:
Just from gathering up what's been said, This car being part of an estate makes me wonder if the seller even has the authority to sell it? Maybe the wait for offers is also a wait to get the authority from a probate court to sell. I'd be real cautious with this amount of money... :shruggy:
:iagree:
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on April 27, 2016, 07:35:31 AM
Pretty tough situation if you are looking to buy. If I had the expenses to go see the car I wouldn't want to leave without getting a deal done. I would think his approach may turn off more than a few potential buyers. As much as I would want the opportunity to buy a car like this I would want to know how much the seller wants, and when I could bring the car home.
Just too many hoops to jump through for too much uncertainty.
What a cool car though...I wish all you guys going for it the best of luck.
I wonder how long this will play out? I just couldn't see leaving an open offer on the table...anyway I am just rambling on now :lol:
Dave
Agree completely. The car is neither nice enough or a good enough deal to warrant all the jerking around and red tape. At some point, a potential buyer says "that's enough". Assuming the car is really available for sale and you have a legit six figure offer, and are not taking it; either you are nuts or there's no there, there.
anyone have a photo of the fender tag they will share here? it would at least be nice to get it logged into the databases
I'll yell back after my visit.... As far as the probate is concerned, based on my conversation with the owner ( who again is the brother of the belated long-time 2nd owner ), all that legal stuff is done... Unfortunately, I know that, here in Texas, the process doesn't take too long... My widow friend who just sold Tuffy's Mr. Norm's '71 Charger R/T Saturday had all the legal documents... Not trying to side one way or anyone, but I only know what I know and it seems it is a little more than some at this point. Looking at it in a half-full manner instead of half-empty; at least the car's going to be sold to someone and not just sit outside and rot owned by one of the "one-of-these-days-I'm-going-to-restore-it" owners....
The title is in the name of the current owner who is the same guy who has possession of it as I personally examined it when I physically examined the car two weeks ago. The patient guy (me) understands the sellers position even though I don't necessarily agree with it, and I am patiently waiting the final decision of the owner, which will hopefully come to me since the other offers were not acceptable for whatever reason.
The fender tag is not in good enough condition that a surface picture will help frankly-too far gone except for a rubbing.
even from the back side? that is the only way to make out what mine says.
the codes would be better than nothing, if possible.
hope it goes well with your offer; that would make one more rust bucket daytona here in indiana
RM sent with that info
My tag bad in front flipped it over chalked it and held up to mirror.Galen had listed a bunch of buildsheet in mcg newsletters etc he had did you check to see if he might have yours
I need to check and see if he might have mine. I wonder what he charges to get your build sheet?
Quote from: 41husk on April 28, 2016, 11:49:21 AM
I need to check and see if he might have mine. I wonder what he charges to get your build sheet?
That's easy !
Great, looks like I might get to keep my testicles :smilielol:
I don't think Galen charges anything to reunite a broadcast sheet with the matching car.
Dave
Nice :cheers:
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on April 28, 2016, 01:45:39 PM
I don't think Galen charges anything to reunite a broadcast sheet with the matching car.
Dave
Well other than the $200/hr he'll charge, trying to call him for "consulation".
I will. check mcg gg posting of sheets.troys was on that list believe be got his back
Can't recall when but did scan and post before found buildsheet list
FWIW-run from this seller. I won't make further comment but I have withdrawn my bid and no longer trust anything regarding this car or more particularly the seller.
Bob
:Twocents: doesn't suprise me
SHOCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
Met a girl like that once Bob... promises promises promises and she never did seal the deal! :icon_smile_big:
Right from the start it sounded like a "lets see what we can get for this sis and I'll give you half from the estate and keep the car" kinda deal
Yeah I am always real careful, safe and skeptical. Never been played like this before, but it happens and drops your opinion of people, but most of em are still good. I'm out about $1,200 for a plane ticket and rental car and need to chalk it up to experience. My wife is actually really, really pissed, and armed! I'm just disappointed. What's the old saying: There's no fool like an old fool!
If you're out of this deal, I'm sure that everyone would like to know why and the details before your armed wife finds you.
Quote from: taxspeaker on May 01, 2016, 05:17:58 PM
Yeah I am always real careful, safe and skeptical. Never been played like this before, but it happens and drops your opinion of people, but most of em are still good. I'm out about $1,200 for a plane ticket and rental car and need to chalk it up to experience. My wife is actually really, really pissed, and armed! I'm just disappointed. What's the old saying: There's no fool like an old fool!
Bob,
I'm glad to know that's all you lost!
I kept thinking what if Bob put some money down on the offer and lost it too?
There are other Daytona's out there that don't have all the drama.
When you step back and figure what is was going to cost to buy it and then restore it,
I think there are others out there for that or less.
MJ
Maybe make an offer on this one :shruggy:
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/dodge/charger/1800940.html
Quote from: taxspeaker on May 01, 2016, 05:17:58 PM
Yeah I am always real careful, safe and skeptical. Never been played like this before, but it happens and drops your opinion of people, but most of em are still good. I'm out about $1,200 for a plane ticket and rental car and need to chalk it up to experience. My wife is actually really, really pissed, and armed! I'm just disappointed. What's the old saying: There's no fool like an old fool!
I see this hobby as having many facets.
1-- The hunt adventure. - A lot of effort can be spent for a payoff but that's a part of the adventure.
2-- The repair/restoration. - For some that takes most of ones time and money but the satisfaction in bringing it back to life is a big part of the fun.
4-- Driving a hobby car. - See 1 and 2. :lol: We may do that from time to time. :cheers:
5-- Making a living from scamming those that want a hobby car.- Let your conscience be your guide. If you do well your reputation will follow you.
In this case the hunt didn't go well. What you are out has value and that value will carry forward to the next hunt. You are now better armed.
I believe that the buyer is in the drivers seat in any transaction. --If one feels like they have just been moved to the passenger seat I say It's time to get out of that hunt.:Twocents:
Edit---Stupid or unprepared sellers are one thing to deal with when hunting. But when I sense a scammer I like to hook them and reel them in whenever I can for sport. :D
Quote from: taxspeaker on May 01, 2016, 02:31:20 PM
FWIW-run from this seller. I won't make further comment but I have withdrawn my bid and no longer trust anything regarding this car or more particularly the seller.
Bob
Wonder how 68hemiCharger Did over the weekend..... :shruggy:
Quote from: XS29J on May 01, 2016, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: taxspeaker on May 01, 2016, 02:31:20 PM
FWIW-run from this seller. I won't make further comment but I have withdrawn my bid and no longer trust anything regarding this car or more particularly the seller.
Bob
Wonder how 68hemiCharger Did over the weekend..... :shruggy:
He posted photos on Facebook a little while ago. Says the car is legit and will be sold.
Quote from: Aero426 on May 01, 2016, 11:37:49 PM
He posted photos on Facebook a little while ago. Says the car is legit and will be sold.
:2thumbs:
Quote from: taxspeaker on May 01, 2016, 02:31:20 PM
FWIW-run from this seller. I won't make further comment but I have withdrawn my bid and no longer trust anything regarding this car or more particularly the seller.
Bob
To bad you cant leave feedback on hemmings like on e bag.
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 02, 2016, 06:45:33 AM
Quote from: Aero426 on May 01, 2016, 11:37:49 PM
He posted photos on Facebook a little while ago. Says the car is legit and will be sold.
:2thumbs:
Does this mean hemi68charger is sealing the deal?
Unless this guy is gonna trade for something, I would doubt it.
I'm not on Facebook :'(, can someone share/post the pics that were on it?
Quote from: tan top on April 19, 2016, 03:28:55 PM
:yesnod: :popcrn:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,123358.0.html
See attached.
Wow....only $35K..... Someone should snatch up that great deal....... :smilielol:
OBO might be able to get it for 30k cash :smilielol: :lol:
:cheers:
:popcrn:
Dramma continues lol
Nick name this daytona MC Hammer because you can't touch it
The crickets chirping, from the OP not wanting to elaborate on his experience and the lack of info from hemi68charger who seems to post every chance he can, I get the impression that a deal is still brewing with one or the other :scratchchin:
What is the Contact Phone # of the owner, The email gets you no response.
If the owner wanted his number to be public he would have put it in the Ad.
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on May 03, 2016, 07:26:25 PM
The crickets chirping, from the OP not wanting to elaborate on his experience and the lack of info from hemi68charger who seems to post every chance he can, I get the impression that a deal is still brewing with one or the other :scratchchin:
If Troy went to look at the car on behalf of other people, there is no reason for him to comment. But he did say the car is real and will be sold.
Quote from: Aero426 on May 03, 2016, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: Y1CHARGER on May 03, 2016, 07:26:25 PM
The crickets chirping, from the OP not wanting to elaborate on his experience and the lack of info from hemi68charger who seems to post every chance he can, I get the impression that a deal is still brewing with one or the other :scratchchin:
If Troy went to look at the car on behalf of other people, there is no reason for him to comment. But he did say the car is real and will be sold.
Thanks Doug......
And Next Week!!!
seems like a lot of games and hassle for the seller as well :shruggy: Why not just do some research list it for a price you can live with and sell the thing :brickwall:
Quote from: 41husk on May 04, 2016, 08:21:41 AM
seems like a lot of games and hassle for the seller as well :shruggy: Why not just do some research list it for a price you can live with and sell the thing :brickwall:
Not really, The hassle is on other people, Gains more MONEY for him by using more Knowledgeable people (AT there Expense) To get the Best price out of his car...
The whole post should be deleted as not to give him FREE advertising of his game...my :Twocents:
:iagree:
Why not just ebay it starting at 30 K and set reserve at $150.K see where it goes
That sounds like the way to go :shruggy: This guy seems to have caused a lot of grief to a loy of people :Twocents:
Quote from: 41husk on May 04, 2016, 11:30:21 AM
That sounds like the way to go :shruggy: This guy seems to have caused a lot of grief to a loy of people :Twocents:
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Right,and as far as "best offer" that could be next week,next month or next year,when do you make up your mind ?
maybe having his phone # posted on all mopar sites with a pic and 35k or best offer might be justice :smilielol:
Ad should read $35K or better higher. offer
Quote from: nascarxx29 on May 04, 2016, 09:03:36 PM
Ad should read $35K or better higher. offer
OBO means just that, or best offer........ People have gotten so used to OBO meaning the "asking" price is a pipe-dream-I-would-love-to-get thing and I'd settle for something lower...... Guess people would be ok with it if he said "$100,000 obo"?
The OBO issue isn't the problem here, Having people travel to and look at the car and to keep raising the price is the issue. When people have something for Sale they usually have a price in mind that Satisfies them and they sell when someone meets that price. This guy (at others expense ) is trying to squeeze every penny out of this car. That's the problem...
This Car will always be :THE TAN TURD" in my book
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 05, 2016, 06:31:31 AM
Guess people would be ok with it if he said "$100,000 obo"?
I think people might have been happier with that. It seems, at least as of now, that this seller has misled everybody. There is no real guarantee, again as of this moment, that this seller is really a seller, and isn't just trying to find that mythological "pipe-dream I'd love to get" maximum amount, as nothing more than a personal curiosity. The ad, and this may have been intentional, was misleading with the $35K OBO, as yes, or best offer in general means if you offer $35K it will be accepted, and if you offer less your offer will have to be the highest. The seller could have merely changed the ad to read "highest offer" or "sealed bids accepted through 5/15" or something similar. Houses for far more money have been sold in such a manner.
Also, taxspeaker, a member here on this forum, has stated that he is out $1200, as he went to look at the car, ready, willing, and
ABLE, to purchase it right then. He was told thanks for showing up, I'm still holding out for those last extra dollars, and no, it doesn't matter how much time, effort or money taxspeaker spent to get there and look at the car. taxspeaker said that this has caused personal angst between him and his wife, as she is now justifiably upset, although I think she should be focused on the unethical actions of the seller rather than her husband's justified belief that if a person advertises a car for sale that it is really a car for sale.
The seller could have easily put it on eBay, for FREE (if he doesn't sell more than 6 cars per year) although yes, it would have cost him a bit of money ($15) if he would have added a reserve price. I think listing it as "no reserve" would have generated a huge following where everybody who wanted to would have the opportunity to bid, and possibly could generate a sale at a higher price than his chosen method now, even with the eBay fees. The seller could have done some research and joined this forum, and I think advertised it for free. The seller could have consigned it to one of the car auctions, as was done with the "barn find" Daytona.
He could have had an "estate auction," advertised it in Hemmings as he is obviously familiar with that magazine, advertised it here, and generated a huge following. A side note, I went to one of these auctions, also for a car (which I didn't get), but they had a junky engine stand, and at first nobody would bid even $5, but eventually the bidding got going and it ended up selling for more than a new engine stand.
But I don't think this seller could have chosen a more aggravating method of supposedly selling this car than what he did, as people can't even call him. Of course, right now I'm sure there are a couple of people calling him something, even if they can't get the seller on the phone.
I agree with the above. This seller is obviously knowledgable enough to list it on Hemmings. So I would assume he is also knowledgable enough to play the sale right. Turning Taxspeaker around and sending him home empty handed was a really horrible move, ethically and from a financial aspect too. Playing the "I have another bid much more than yours" never works. People usually are very turned off by it. Dealing with someone who has ZERO appreciation for these cars is the worst, even worse when trying to buy a house from an estate where multiple entitled children are involved. I would run from this car if I had the cash to buy. If this guy was smart he would either 1. Take it to a Mecum auction with a reserve or 2. List it on Hemmings for 100K or best offer and see what comes in. Usually the first person in front of you with cash in hand is your buyer. The pain and suffering goes up from there.
Seller should best be careful you never know who your dealing with. Some that travelled and incurred the expense to find out its a game could have really "lost it" on the seller.
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on May 05, 2016, 11:22:32 AM
Seller should best be careful you never know who your dealing with. Some that travelled and incurred the expense to find out its a game could have really "lost it" on the seller.
If I were the seller (or acting like him) This situation would worry me a bit unless you explained UP FRONT that there would be no purchase made on the trip to check out the merchandise, and even then I would be a bit wary. You never know when a weary traveler might get frustrated and deliver a punch or worse....
Quote from: 70Sbird on May 05, 2016, 12:20:19 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on May 05, 2016, 11:22:32 AM
Seller should best be careful you never know who your dealing with. Some that travelled and incurred the expense to find out its a game could have really "lost it" on the seller.
If I were the seller (or acting like him) This situation would worry me a bit unless you explained UP FRONT that there would be no purchase made on the trip to check out the merchandise, and even then I would be a bit wary. You never know when a weary traveler might get frustrated and deliver a punch or worse....
Totally agree i'd sleep with 1 eye open. Im sure most buyers if having to do any long travels would say $%%^& you if told upfront you can only inspect it and leave an open offer on the table.
Quote from: 70Sbird on May 05, 2016, 12:20:19 PM
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If I were the seller (or acting like him) This situation would worry me a bit unless you explained UP FRONT that there would be no purchase made on the trip to check out the ...
That was made up front...........
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 05, 2016, 12:47:16 PM
Quote from: 70Sbird on May 05, 2016, 12:20:19 PM
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If I were the seller (or acting like him) This situation would worry me a bit unless you explained UP FRONT that there would be no purchase made on the trip to check out the ...
That was made up front...........
bob doesn't sound like he was aware of it being a view-only trip.
look up "obo" in any dictionary, and they all define it as a selling price slightly below the asking price. looking for an "offer" over the stated price is baiting. no one blames the seller for trying to get every cent he can get, but his method of doing it is sickening.
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
:brickwall:
It's an exciting thread.
Still like the car.
Still want it too.
I have been in contact via email since April 9th. He responds randomly and usually not at all. He sent me an email after a week of no communication and and says he sorry for not getting back to me, he had to go out of town for a few days. He then writes me an email of extreme length telling me the entire history of the car and his whole life story! So that is great and I respond asking him where he is at on price and what is it going to take to buy this car. I also ask him if I can have his phone number. Well that was about 7 or 8 days ago and again he has gone into silent mode! You can not conduct business with someone who does not want to communicate! :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy:
$65,000 now in the AD. I imagine this may continue until the interest stops
The Daytona is NOT worth $65K in the overall condition that the car is in! The seller may have out smarted himself with the little game he is playing! :smilielol:
Quote from: moonlithaven on May 06, 2016, 12:05:14 AM
The Daytona is NOT worth $65K in the overall condition that the car is in! The seller may have out smarted himself with the little game he is playing! :smilielol:
I bet it sells for more than $65. :popcrn:
Quote from: XS29J on May 04, 2016, 08:07:41 AM
And Next Week!!!
We are getting Closer!!! The Tan TURD!
If the buyer of this car plans to just drive it as is freshened up it will be a great car!!!...If they buy it to restore it will be a big $ mistake...Personally I would give, and had, $75K ready to go buy it...But no response back initially and then after reading the BAD sales procedure on this Forum it is Not worth my time..
XS29J you are probably correct at 75k!
At the end of the day it is the seller's car to do what he wants, as offbeat as his selling methods are. I went in knowing in advance that he might not make the decision that day, and I can still live with that. What bothered me was using my cash on the spot offer of $55,000 to then continue to advertise at a higher level-nothing illegal or even wrong about that, it just feels dirty to me.
I had a phone call with one of the other members here over the weekend and an excellent point was made. There are only a few hundred people in the world that have the ability (financial & mechanical) to buy the car and restore it themselves at any reasonable cost. For an investor (like the previously mentioned fictitious (?) banker) to buy it at this point it does not make financial sense. Remember I have seen and carefully and physically inspected the car a month ago and it needs all new engine, tranny, rear end, brakes, suspension, fuel, significant body work and paint. I think that will cost at least $150,000 to pay to have it done, so now you would have $215,000 in a car that is not worth that much to an investor, and that ignores the time value of money.
At this price point the only sense it makes is for someone who will do it themselves for the pleasure of doing it, and as I previously noted there aren't that many of us out there. And most of that few are now pissed off. My wife bluntly asked me this morning if he called and said be here tomorrow with the original $55k I offered would I go. The answer is yes, but not at 65k-there has to be a stopping point even in a project car.
The seller is a pretty nice fellow who has been previously burned, and I do not think he realizes that the selling method he devised to get the most out of the car and avoid being burned, is offending the very market of limited buyers available.
Bob
Quote from: taxspeaker on May 06, 2016, 09:39:35 AM
My wife bluntly asked me this morning if he called and said be here tomorrow with the original $55k I offered would I go. The answer is yes, but not at 65k-there has to be a stopping point even in a project car.
Bob, your offer is fair from a buyers perspective. But the reality is that even in the depths of the recent recession, 55k would have been unlikely to buy the car. Yes, I understand it needs everything.
Pricing on rare project cars like a 4-speed Daytona is never linear. You simply cannot take the restored value, subtract your costs and arrive at a price to pay. There will always be more people who want the car because of the lower buy in price, versus a restored car.
I do understand that the sellers process is very strange and will chase some people off.
The other f6 daytona that was posted on here a year or so ago automatic i believe was running and driving sold for what 120ish ?
When i first saw the pics of the car 75k jumped into mind. Someone doing it themselves could get it done for $50k. 125k for a restored 4 speed daytona pretty decent(not talking oem with date coded parts) meaning do metal/body/paint work with repro parts. Id rather spend that on a steel body willys coupe though ;)
75k was my impression on it, too. this entire process is nothing more than a bait session. there was no way that car was changing hands had the offers maxed at at 35k or less as the original ad implied. wouldn't a "best offer" sale require sealed bids with a deadline to submit them? editing the hemmings ad to reflect the current best offer effectively turns it into an auction, and a no reserve one to boot. the seller alienates a good part of his buying audience by playing the current high bidder against everyone else.
unfortunately with some situations....... All parties are out for their own gain.....
your photo of the poker game validates everyone's opinion but your own. every player who sat down at the card table knew the rules of the game from the very start, and brought along their own cash. this seller is playing games with other people's money.
Quote from: held1823 on May 06, 2016, 05:55:36 PM
your photo of the poker game validates everyone's opinion but your own. every player who sat down at the card table knew the rules of the game from the start, and brought their own cash. this seller is playing games with other people's money.
??? The rules, again, were known..... When I went to see the car, I didn't bring cash because I knew the rules ( view, make offer and, unfortunately, wait )...... My situation is no different than anyone else's... The only difference is I and my friend had the financial benefit of being within 2 hours drive of the car..... So, we are in the same boat..
Quote from: held1823 on May 06, 2016, 05:55:36 PM
your photo of the poker game validates everyone's opinion but your own. every player who sat down at the card table knew the rules of the game from the very start, and brought along their own cash. this seller is playing games with other people's money.
This is interesting to follow.
The comment about "this seller is playing games with other people's money" caught my attention.
The cost of searching for and looking at cars for sale are the expense of the buyer. --No?
I am in no way defending this seller. This seller may very well be playing games but unless and until he gets money from a buyer he is just another hazard on ones path to find and buy a car.
I understand frustration in trying to buy this car but is it not all part of the hunt?
Another point about this is the apparent low starting price. Those that hoped to get a great deal may be the most frustrated.
If this was advertised (as most of the kind are) high/delusional.-- I suspect the conversation would be rather different.
A buyer is the one in the drivers seat. If a smoking deal comes up so does the risk at jumping in. This is where the gamble comes in.:Twocents:
You would be wise to remember, and no one seems to be mentioning this, that this Daytona needs a replacement engine, transmission, rear end, suspension and on and on and on! The engine is most probably seized as not being started in almost 40 years, so that being said, remember a non matching numbers Daytona has a significant lessor value than a matching numbers car. Just food for thought! Not even to mention that this Daytona has had a really hard life early on. The car has just been hammered. Evidence is the crash into the low retaining wall and all the damage to the lower half of the nosecone, thousands of dollars in repairs and hundreds of hours of work if you can get it to look right again. Look at the 50 some pictures very carefully. Just saying!!! Oh and if you need more to think about, no one seems to notice the parts that are missing since they are not pictured, such as the front chin spoiler and I don't know, the original red scissors jack, the owner himself told me he had no idea where it is. Very important item when buying a Daytona. All add value to a Daytona. I stick to what I have said earlier, this Daytona, in the condition that it is in, as is, is not worth what the seller is asking! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: moonlithaven on May 06, 2016, 08:25:59 PM
Look at the 50 some pictures very carefully. Just saying!!! Oh and if you need more to think about, no one seems to notice the parts that are missing since they are not pictured, such as the front chin spoiler and I don't know, the original red scissors jack, the owner himself told me he had no idea where it is. Very important item when buying a Daytona. All add value to a Daytona.
Where are these 50 some pictures? Can someone provide a link so they can be viewed by us not so computer literate members? Also about the wing car jacks, a member here Wingnut does an amazing job restoring them and also can make one that looks IDENTICAL to an original :2thumbs:
Quote from: Moparpoolman on May 07, 2016, 07:47:25 AM
Quote from: moonlithaven on May 06, 2016, 08:25:59 PM
Look at the 50 some pictures very carefully. Just saying!!! Oh and if you need more to think about, no one seems to notice the parts that are missing since they are not pictured, such as the front chin spoiler and I don't know, the original red scissors jack, the owner himself told me he had no idea where it is. Very important item when buying a Daytona. All add value to a Daytona.
Where are these 50 some pictures? Can someone provide a link so they can be viewed by us not so computer literate members? Also about the wing car jacks, a member here Wingnut does an amazing job restoring them and also can make one that looks IDENTICAL to an original :2thumbs:
If someone can provide them to me I'll link them in the Daytona Registry.
Quote from: Moparpoolman on May 07, 2016, 07:47:25 AM
Where are these 50 some pictures? Can someone provide a link so they can be viewed :2thumbs:
Quote from: moonlithaven on May 06, 2016, 08:25:59 PM
You would be wise to remember, and no one seems to be mentioning this, that this Daytona needs a replacement engine, transmission, rear end, suspension and on and on and on!
Not even to mention that this Daytona has had a really hard life early on. The car has just been hammered.
Evidence is the crash into the low retaining wall and all the damage to the lower half of the nosecone, thousands of dollars in repairs and hundreds of hours of work if you can get it to look right again. Look at the 50 some pictures very carefully. Just saying!!!
Agreed!!! Where are the 50 pictures. This thread is full of comments about how bad this car is. Typical Debbie Downer car thread on DC.com. The 4 or 5 pictures I'm seeing does not give me that feeling. A lot worse looking cars have been restored. From the pictures posted it does not look like that bad a car. The damage I can see on the bottom of the nose is not that big an issue. Anyone missing a nose for their car would love to have this one. I've read most if not all of this thread and I see nothing that tells me if the motor and tranny are matching numbers. Obviously enough people have personally inspected the car that someone knows the answer to that question. That little piece of information would dramatically affect the value of this car. As far as being rode hard and put away wet weren't almost all the 60's era muscle cars. For the record I have no interest in buying the car. Unless of course its going to sell for the 35K figure.
I'll offer 70K if someone will give me a no interest loan for 65K :shruggy: :lol: In all seriousness, this thread is merely entertainment for me as I was out before I was ever in on this deal. I guess I'll go back to working on my bird clone.
:yesnod:
Quote from: Davtona on May 07, 2016, 11:29:45 AM
Quote from: Moparpoolman on May 07, 2016, 07:47:25 AM
Where are these 50 some pictures? Can someone provide a link so they can be viewed :2thumbs:
Quote from: moonlithaven on May 06, 2016, 08:25:59 PM
You would be wise to remember, and no one seems to be mentioning this, that this Daytona needs a replacement engine, transmission, rear end, suspension and on and on and on!
Not even to mention that this Daytona has had a really hard life early on. The car has just been hammered.
Evidence is the crash into the low retaining wall and all the damage to the lower half of the nosecone, thousands of dollars in repairs and hundreds of hours of work if you can get it to look right again. Look at the 50 some pictures very carefully. Just saying!!!
Agreed!!! Where are the 50 pictures. This thread is full of comments about how bad this car is. Typical Debbie Downer car thread on DC.com. The 4 or 5 pictures I'm seeing does not give me that feeling. A lot worse looking cars have been restored. From the pictures posted it does not look like that bad a car. The damage I can see on the bottom of the nose is not that big an issue. Anyone missing a nose for their car would love to have this one. I've read most if not all of this thread and I see nothing that tells me if the motor and tranny are matching numbers. Obviously enough people have personally inspected the car that someone knows the answer to that question. That little piece of information would dramatically affect the value of this car. As far as being rode hard and put away wet weren't almost all the 60's era muscle cars. For the record I have no interest in buying the car. Unless of course its going to sell for the 35K figure.
yeah , where pictures !! be good to see them & i'll add them here for future reference :yesnod: feel free to send me the link a link to the pictures , or your more than welcome to email them to me & i'll post them :cheers:
4 sp daytona , im betting higher then 75 best color combo too :yesnod:
Seller's car and seller's sale. He can set whatever conditions and terms that he pleases.
I was one of the first to respond to his Hemmings ad. I am a serious buyer and probably would be a buyer at or above his current price however his method of sale and hide and go seek selling style caused me to write this car off as a lost cause. In the mean time I bought another car for with a much smoother and straight forward transaction.
This Daytona could be a great car taking the color and transmission into consideration. The state of the engine, transmission and rear end in the car have very little impact on this car's appeal to anyone that seriously wants a real Daytona.
Quote from: taxspeaker on May 06, 2016, 09:39:35 AM
The seller is a pretty nice fellow who has been previously burned, and I do not think he realizes that the selling method he devised to get the most out of the car and avoid being burned, is offending the very market of limited buyers available.
Bob
He was probably previously burned BECAUSE of his selling methods and I bet that at the end of this charade he gets less than the listed price. It wouldn't surprise me if at some point the price gets lowered on the Ad. I'll also bet that many of us here hope the seller gets burned again with this deal.
Difficult sellers are sometimes the best to buy from, it just takes patience for them to see the error of their ways. When I bought my first Superbird in 1995 the seller wanted 100K for it and wouldn't let anyone see it. I was priviledged enough to live close to him and worked on him patiently. In the end I bought a 60k mile unrestored Superbird for $8500. A lot less than his "asking" price. This guy might have shot himself in the foot but If say Taxspeaker is the only guy continually chirping in the guys ear when all the other potential buyers are pissed off and gone, well then 55 may buy it after all.
There was near me parked since mid 70-s 440 superbid and 68 4 speed hemi charger.A few years ago he was retired .And was at first gonna restore.I told him to get a figure from mark at gyc.After that he sol d the pair and cashed out at prices of a resto was up there.If this daytona gets outsourced for rest 100k.Best situation guy who does his own work.And these cars were rust free garage kept and started on occasionally
the guy is basically doing an action calling people and getting there best offer and moving on to the next guy with a bigger wallet
Very interesting selling technique. Would not work with most cars, but if they are rare enough like this one? He may end up with the highest price doing this with no selling expense other than an ad. He is not a flipper looking to play games. This appears to be well thought out. He is qualifying his bidders and not wanting to take a bid from anyone that has not inspected it. The offered price keeps going up. Will be very interesting to see how high it goes.
I've not seen this before really, but have never bought something this rare.
so I saw this car for sale last week while I was in NZ at $55k and sent an email when I got home last night I have a reply telling me current best offer is $70,000 and that he needs me to go inspect the car and he wants to learn more about me. I have money what more is there to know. he has my name and where I work
I bought my superbird over the phone in 5 minutes and my Daytona through a middle man two cars almost $300k reading this thread I don't like the idea that there is not a real asking price and that a cash buyer lost $1200 just to look at it. I looked at two cars in Canada last year one a project the other a driver in both cases it was my choice to go look in person and in both cases a deal would have happened on the day with my cash deposit in my pocket.
Here is info received from seller:
Fender Tag:
EN2
M31 N85 R11 V88 Y39 26
A11 A33 C16 C55 G15 M21
F6 F6 C6X X9 520 926139
E86 D21 XX29 L9B 386542
I have dozens of pictures but they take so long to post just throwing up 2 sets of 4
if i hadn't already thought it, that letter leaves no doubt. the seller is an asshole.
chances are he has discovered this thread by now, so i'd love for him to know how at least one of us feels about him.
Quote from: held1823 on May 09, 2016, 10:29:27 PM
if i hadn't already thought it, that letter leaves no doubt. the seller is an asshole.
chances are he has discovered this thread by now, so i'd love for him to know how at least one of us feels about him.
Make that two !!
three :cheers:
As a matter of personal principle.. :eek2: I think the way he is handling the sale of the car is absolutely ridiculous. He obviously wasn't born yesterday, and he knows the car is worth more than $35000 and less than $200,000. Set a price or put it on ebay, and take the first serious offer that shows up with the cash and a trailer. If he doesn't want to entertain tire kickers and memory lane types for weeks on end, then why go this method and put yourself through the torture of showing dozens of people in the first place??? There are much better and easier methods to get top dollar for a rare vehicle if that is his (obvious) intention. Just plain ridiculous.
WOW
If that "document" doesn't make you run for the hills i'm not sure what will. That has dramma in caps lock all over it.
No pitty for the seller as mentioned he is actually welcoming a whole lot of time wasting for himself and others.
As I said earlier he knows what its worth put a reserve or BIN on ebay and let it ride.
I think he enjoys the attention, and could care less if it is positive :Twocents: or negative
Well, Mr. Seller, if you are reading this consider submitting the car to bringatrailer.com (http://bringatrailer.com) . Yes, there are fees. Yes, you'll have to give up a bit of control to a well-known process. But you'll stop pissing off every real potential buyer you have too.
::)
Wow! Those pictures show some major body work to be done to get this car safe and road worthy and looking good. If I were in the market for this one I would go no higher than 60k. Just my opinion based on all the info posted here.
I guess because it passed the level that I would be interested, the process didn't bother me. Had I been a serious buyer, I would also be upset with tactics used.
I can't imagine flying in to see a car without the option of buying in then and there.
Where does this car fit in the values compared to the barn find Daytona sold at Mecum in Jan/16. The pics seem to show this car is better, but maybe not by much. I had a guy looking at my Superbird and he walked away saying there were things he did not like. My Bird is mostly original paint and has 45years of nicks and scratches. When he mumbled his comments I said "Just go order one.". I just found out he was concerned of some door dings and scratches , but did want as original as possible.
Quote from: out there on May 10, 2016, 05:13:57 PM
I guess because it passed the level that I would be interested, the process didn't bother me. Had I been a serious buyer, I would also be upset with tactics used.
I can't imagine flying in to see a car without the option of buying in then and there.
I too can't imagine flying in just to see a car. If I did I would expect from the outset that my expense for this is on me.
This is where an outside local observer/inspector has value.
If I was interested in this car it first would be all about condition vs asking price. This is what I need to see if I'm in or out.
As this is playing out I would be out of the picture as a buyer. This seller is clearly spending his and others time for top dollar. He is looking to weed out flippers and the like and is just creating a mess for himself at the same time. Such is the nature of this game. :shruggy:
Quote from: held1823 on May 09, 2016, 10:29:27 PM
the seller is an asshole.
:iagree: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :iagree:
A question for the people who have actually had communications with the seller. Is there a date when the car will be sold or is it when the seller decides he is done accepting offers?
Quote from: 66FBCharger on May 11, 2016, 07:13:37 AM
A question for the people who have actually had communications with the seller. Is there a date when the car will be sold or is it when the seller decides he is done accepting offers?
That is the $1,000,000 question.
Quote from: Homerr on May 11, 2016, 10:24:02 AM
Quote from: 66FBCharger on May 11, 2016, 07:13:37 AM
A question for the people who have actually had communications with the seller. Is there a date when the car will be sold or is it when the seller decides he is done accepting offers?
That is the $1,000,000 question.
Do you think that $1,000,000 is enough to get the deal done or would the seller just edit his ad with the new asking price? :nana:
True, he'd demand $1.1 million.
One of my wife's aunts was simply, fucking nuts. :image_294343:
She made a "HOUSE FOR SALE BY OWNER" sign, & when her husband left for work she would put it on the front lawn. People would stop by, ask to look at the house & she'd show them around. She'd have them to stay for coffee & pastries & they'd all chat for hours. She's go outside & remove the sign before her husband came home & he never knew.
Maybe this Daytona seller is one of my wife's uncles. :smilielol:
Now thats funny :smilielol:
So if the sellers intention was having the car bid on by multiple people why not post the car on ebay which is an auction site which is what this seller is doing with the car.
:shruggy: :shruggy:
that car is going for way to much money, for that price i would buy a hemi or a restored charger rt
Quote from: bigdsul on May 12, 2016, 02:51:57 PM
So if the sellers intention was having the car bid on by multiple people why not post the car on ebay which is an auction site which is what this seller is doing with the car.
Well, that was mentioned several pages ago, but the conclusion is apparently closer to what Old Moparz said, this way guys like taxspeaker can spend $1200 or so to spend an afternoon chatting with him, and if he's happy he'll serve coffee and pastries!
not everyone knows how to use ebay or is comfortable with it and it is by no means the best way to get the highest price on a collector car I have not bought or sold a car on ebay over $50000 but have bought and sold several as the result of an ebay listing. advertising and talking to potential buyers on a car like this is a way to find a willing buyer at a price that he will be a willing seller. and the willing buyer may not have heard about the car yet. I for one didn't hear about it till a month after the first add and if that had been ebay I probably would not have had the chance to consider it
Quote from: bigdsul on May 12, 2016, 02:51:57 PM
So if the sellers intention was having the car bid on by multiple people why not post the car on ebay which is an auction site which is what this seller is doing with the car.
The seller had every intention of getting people to make bids on the car and to take the highest bidders offer. So he could have very well put the car up in an auction or auction site. There's a dozen nation wide auction sites that would have been more than eager to get the car on their auction page. The traffic generated just by having the car on their website would have been worth the effort to get it listed.
I would imagine that the same would be true for a brick and mortar auctioneer house.
If the seller does have the intention of selling the car he surely is going about it a very asinine way.
Quote from: bigdsul on May 12, 2016, 06:59:52 PM
...If the seller does have the intention of selling the car he surely is going about it a very asinine way.
If he sells it, get what's he's looking for or more, than nothing absurd about it... it worked for him.......
This will be a case of "patience is a virtue"... Take a look, make an offer and wait..... The hard part mentally is the wait........ Whomever the buyer is, there will be two happy people..... The rest of us will just go "Damn"...... Either Damn, I don't like the way this is play out ( usually from an outsiders point of view ), or Damn, I wasn't the high guy...... ( or gal... Don't wanna be sexist ).......
OK... back to your regularly scheduled programming.......
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 12, 2016, 08:59:22 PM
Quote from: bigdsul on May 12, 2016, 06:59:52 PM
...If the seller does have the intention of selling the car he surely is going about it a very asinine way.
If he sells it, get what's he's looking for or more, than nothing absurd about it... it worked for him.......
This will be a case of "patience is a virtue"... Take a look, make an offer and wait..... The hard part mentally is the wait........ Whomever the buyer is, there will be two happy people..... The rest of us will just go "Damn"...... Either Damn, I don't like the way this is play out ( usually from an outsiders point of view ), or Damn, I wasn't the high guy...... ( or gal... Don't wanna be sexist ).......
OK... back to your regularly scheduled programming.......
:2thumbs: Thanks for that. Those that are really hunting for a car can be traumatized by all this----or not---- :nana:- It's all a part of the hunt. :shruggy:
Quote from: ws23rt on May 12, 2016, 09:52:00 PM
:2thumbs: Thanks for that. Those that are really hunting for a car can be traumatized by all this----or not---- :nana:- It's all a part of the hunt. :shruggy:
Heck, I get more frustrated at the owner that lets a car just sit outside rotting with NO intentions on selling....... Just rots away.............
Like this,one of 39 Hemi two doors.
If you deal in cars you are going to have a disappointment or two. Just this week I was talking to a friend on the phone who has some cars. He had bought a 04 dodge ram 1500 from a bank as a repo. He said he had $1300 in it and it was his car wash lot for $2800. He said a guy that worked for him and new what he had in it had been begging him to make him a better deal. He agreed on $1500 and the guy came back and said he didn't have the money and would he take payments. I told him I would give $1800 if it was still for sale. He told me to come get it the next day drive it over night if I like it give him the money. I agreed. I got to his lot and he was not there, his employ said "sorry I sold your truck" I asked what he got. he said the full $2800. I would not have done business like that but I am not mad.
I think I would have held my hand out and said "since it was 'my truck', I'll take 'my' $1000.00 profit" :icon_smile_big:
this is a friend. I would not have done him like that but thats how some deals go. gotta move on :brickwall:
Interesting after a month and a half of several real offers from serious buyers and still not sold. I am out of the deal and no longer believe it is really for sale. Good luck if you get it.
I said it before Bob, he's getting a market evaluation for the family so they know how to split assets... nothing more!
Quote from: birdsandbees on May 17, 2016, 04:56:52 PM
I said it before Bob, he's getting a market evaluation for the family so they know how to split assets... nothing more!
Yes You are right! I don't ever think he had any intention of ever selling the car. It all fits. He didn't even know how much to ask for it when this all first started! He was just getting an idea of how much the market would dictate it was worth. We have all been had! :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
There he goes again! Now he asking $80,000 for the non matching numbers, in need of a complete restoration top to bottom, Daytona!. Oh, that is this week I mean! I hope every one interested stops making any contact what-so-ever with this seller! His greed should cost him making the sale of this car! :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
Wow
a couple people should get in a bidding war over it - then decline :slap:
He thinks he hit the lottery. I do hope this game bites him in the a$$ and the last few guys walk. Wouldn't think it's a very large group at this point
Quote from: moonlithaven on May 21, 2016, 05:18:44 PM
There he goes again! Now he asking $80,000 for the non matching numbers, in need of a complete restoration top to bottom, Daytona!. Oh, that is this week I mean! I hope every one interested stops making any contact what-so-ever with this seller! His greed should cost him making the sale of this car! :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
:o
Ha ha ha what a circus! :smilielol:
I wonder when he'll start threatening to crush it.
I've got to say what started as a simple question has become my daily entertainment!
Quote from: XS29J on May 06, 2016, 09:22:22 AM
Quote from: XS29J on May 04, 2016, 08:07:41 AM
And Next Week!!!
We are getting Closer!!! The Tan TURD!
Jeezzzz it even beat my own projection......
if someone will email the 50 photo package, i will gladly add them here
I've seen others shell out this amount for less of a Daytona, there is a buyer, but he's just trawling the water waiting for him/her, unfortunately he'll be sitting on it longer than he thinks
it s a joke this guy don t have this car it s crazy man
it wouldn't be the first time a Daytona has been on the market over a year in the hands of a long term owner waiting for deep pockets. actually even I had a car I owned 26 years that was seriously for sale for the last three. this owner is not a car guy but I believe he did know what it was worth when he started based on the level of security around the car he has done everything he can to make it really hard to steal if the word got out as to its location. and the site he listed it on always has a couple in the $200k plus range. if this car were on ebay I would have no problem bidding above the current price but in this format a blind auction with no end date and no independent person verifying the bids.... :popcrn:
Raised to $85,000 today .OBO :popcrn:
I must say that the Denver Boot is a nice touch. It will go good with the original green. :2thumbs:
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=123358.0;attach=257984;image)
So people are placing offers on the car. The price goes up to match the offers the seller has been getting. I'm really wondering why the seller chose this "method" to try and sell the car.
I'm sure more than one person has spent money to see the car or have someone else evaluate it only to get burned one way or another.
This seller is making a ton of bummed out and pissed off people in order to find a person who has a ton of money to throw at this.
The car should have been listed on ebay that way the seller can see what people are willing to pay without a ton of hassles in the process
The easy answer - no actual price, so it is not really for sale.
Quote from: BS27R1B on May 23, 2016, 05:19:32 PM
Raised to $85,000 today .OBO :popcrn:
Expired at $90,000 :yesnod:
the Ad is no longer on hemmings website
Well the unusual method worked for him-he got a lot more than anyone expected and I doubt if he cares about our opinions! Good luck to the patient guy that bought it whoever he is. To have the patience it took to buy this it would appear that the patience will be a good thing while renovating this one.
So you think he actually sold it??
I'm wondering if it is really sold or the Hemmings ad only runs for so many months. My guess is the ad time ran out.
I am guessing you will see it back on Hemmings for sale very soon.
Probably canned the ad and going to relist it in a month once the buzz dies down lol. You know he is following this thread :P
he told me he was going to not pick a buyer till the add ran out then email "bidders" for last and final offers, waiting on my email. regarding ebay that has been explained earlier in the thread
I hope his high bidders renig
Quote from: 41husk on May 24, 2016, 10:33:19 AM
I hope his high bidders renig
So do I..... :icon_smile_big:
lol :cheers: good luck Troy!
Quote from: held1823 on May 22, 2016, 01:04:58 PM
if someone will email the 50 photo package, i will gladly add them here
:iagree: Days on end have been spent discussing the method this guy has used to sell this car. Who cares! If you really want to buy cars like this you will run into his type occasionally. Enough of bashing the guy. I personally think it should have just been listed on Ebay and it probably would have went for the latest asking price or their about. Its a Daytona its not going to go cheap in any condition. Anybody that really wants one at this point in the game and doesn't have one is fast running out of time. Now what about the 50 pictures can we get them added here so we have a permanent record of what the car looked like? :shruggy:
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:scope: thanks for sharing the pictures , ( 1970Gator) :cheers: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Troy is not the only one hoping high bidder drops out.
Still waiting in line for a Daytona.
Quote from: 1969 R/T SE on May 12, 2016, 03:18:01 PM
that car is going for way to much money, for that price i would buy a hemi or a restored charger rt
If it ends up selling for what's been posted, I bet the 1st thing that pops up in the buyer's mind after he gets it home is, "What did I do?' LOL.
Unless it's a case of more money than brains.
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on May 25, 2016, 07:08:48 PM
Quote from: 1969 R/T SE on May 12, 2016, 03:18:01 PM
that car is going for way to much money, for that price i would buy a hemi or a restored charger rt
If it ends up selling for what's been posted, I bet the 1st thing that pops up in the buyer's mind after he gets it home is, "What did I do?' LOL.
Unless it's a case of more money than brains.
Or, he or she has been chasing a dream for a LONG time and now has the financial means of achieving it.
Wow, roached much more than I thought.
What part of texas this daytona decay in a shore area.Rusty for a texas car
Quote from: nascarxx29 on May 25, 2016, 08:21:52 PM
What part of texas this daytona decay in a shore area.Rusty for a texas car
Yeah that is what I said a month and a half ago! Sure has a lot of rot for a Texas car. The seller even agreed with me! Well I guess now that the super secret 50 set pics of the car, that were password protected on goggle flash, are out of the bag, now all of these potential buyers that have not seen this car in person can get an idea of how bad a shape it really is in! I don't think this Daytona spent it's entire early but short life in Texas! :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
Quote from: 69_500 on May 25, 2016, 06:10:26 PM
Troy is not the only one hoping high bidder drops out.
Still waiting in line for a Daytona.
I'm rooting for the Underdog here. Go Danny Go :2thumbs: We'll have twins. :smilielol:
With ALL that rust....... I'm sure a bunch of people will run for the hills............. Just like Lot's wife, better not look back........ Just keep running.........
"Being facetious"
Maybe I'm in the minority....but, the car ain't that bad IMO. I was on this car very early contacting the seller only hours after it was listed with cash in hand and the trailer hooked up thinking I was finally gonna own my dream car....then came the revelation that myself and the seller had a very basic misunderstanding of what OBO meant. So I put my money back in the bank and let the seller know I wouldn't pay more than 35K....because of principle I suppose (principle is what I call my wife, lol). As for 'dry' Texas cars, well I've bought somewhere near 100 second gen cars out of Texas in the last 20 years dragging them back to Oklahoma. I35 divides the state geographically right down the middle but also climate wise. Arid and dry west Texas produces solid cars but in my experience humid and wet east Texas cars can be very rusty. Just my 2 pennies.
This car is cherry compared to the one AMD is more or less rebuilding from a vin tag.
And exrta parts like 70 challenger tail light on backseat And spare crankshaft.And automatic trans gasket and filter on pass floor???.And from living in tx the interiors would be heat baked cracked split.Maybe had plastic tarp on it created all kinds of moisture where rust sprung up
Appears the listing is gone. Maybe the car has been sold. Could be the end of this saga.....
Compared to all the Michigan Rust Buckets I've seen & Restored this thing looks nice & solid to me. LEON.
Quote from: moparstuart on May 07, 2016, 04:01:19 PM
4 sp daytona , im betting higher then 75 best color combo too :yesnod:
:nana: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
Any in the game been contacted to place their final bid ? :popcrn:
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on May 31, 2016, 08:46:06 AM
Any in the game been contacted to place their final bid ? :popcrn:
Supposed to happen either yesterday or today..........
heard nothing he hasn't responded to my emails for the almost two weeks
:hah: This.Daytona is made from unobtaniumm
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 05, 2016, 12:04:01 PM
:hah: This.Daytona is made from unobtaniumm
Wow that is really good! Sad but funny! :rotz: :rotz: :rotz:
I received a final nice email from the seller yesterday. It looks like the decision will be made by Saturday June 11 and the last $90,000 bid gets it unless something comes in higher. It is out of my price range so good luck whoever gets it, and post a picture of it on a trailer when you load it up.
Wow, someone is going deep.
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With a 90k sale price if one was to do the whole rebuild themselves be in it for 125k. I say rebuild as if we talk resto with OE nos parts the sky is the limit.
4 speed in that color prob bring 150ish in todays market rebuilt ?
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on June 07, 2016, 11:58:50 AM
With a 90k sale price if one was to do the whole rebuild themselves be in it for 125k. I say rebuild as if we talk resto with OE nos parts the sky is the limit.
4 speed in that color prob bring 150ish in todays market rebuilt ?
Based on recent sales, 150 can get you into a driver Daytona. Probably still need to add a little for a 4-speed.
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on June 07, 2016, 11:58:50 AM
With a 90k sale price if one was to do the whole rebuild themselves be in it for 125k. I say rebuild as if we talk resto with OE nos parts the sky is the limit.
4 speed in that color prob bring 150ish in todays market rebuilt ?
Are you saying it could be restored for $35k? :scratchchin: :shruggy: LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 07, 2016, 06:23:51 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on June 07, 2016, 11:58:50 AM
With a 90k sale price if one was to do the whole rebuild themselves be in it for 125k. I say rebuild as if we talk resto with OE nos parts the sky is the limit.
4 speed in that color prob bring 150ish in todays market rebuilt ?
Are you saying it could be restored for $35k? :scratchchin: :shruggy: LEON.
If doing all the work(metal/body/paint/mechanics) yourself with jobber parts(excluding any daytona only parts) yes i think it can be done. As your only paying parts. Not restoring as id consider a restore being oem part restoration.
My 70 r/t been threw the wringer.
9k in new and used metal
2K in materials
3k interior
3k motor
3k in suspension,chrome ect
i have exhaust, transmission,weatherstriping, dash cluster and brakes left to do. with 15k wiggle room that bring it to 35k invested in the rebuild. This is paying minimal labor as the family shop has been doing it on the side. To pay wages and swing a profit yikes would need to have been a dunno 80-100k job.
If i had to do over instead of buying a 5k basket case i'd have saved some more and bought a 15-20k more solid car. Live and learn.
But imo F6 is the nicest color on the daytonas add a 4 speed to that permanent smile.
I would say $15 to $20k for body and paint alone and that's using my "low end" body shop, charger interior I just did one using legendary and didn't get any change out of $10k the nose on this car needs a complete rebuild to fix the damage and put the lights back in. as for value when done gotta remember this car has no documentation and is not a numbers matching engine so with a $90k (or more) buy in there is no money in this car as an investment or to "flip" as a finished car.
But it's a 4-speed Daytona. There aren't a lot around if you really must have one. Buuuut, I don't see how most people could get it finished for anywhere close to what it would cost just to buy one that's ready to go.
Of course, that's already worth more than everything I own so I can only guess at real numbers...
Troy
I don't remember if it was ever said to be numbers matching or not. Taxspeaker said he knew in one of his posts but didn't want to make it public knowledge at the time, how about now?, is it numbers matching motor and trans?
the owner has told everyone "bidding" on the car that the engine has been found to not have a complete correct vin stamping. found by one of the people that inspected the car and the owner believes it was replaced with a "crate" motor prior to his brother getting the car. The gear box and shifter are also not correct as per a person that inspected the car that I trust. as for it being a rare 4 speed I though that until recently when it was pointed out to me that about a third of the 502 street daytonas are 4 speed so rare depends on your definition and I would say that a one in three chance of a Daytona being a 4 speed isn't that rare. my current car being 1 of 6? R6 red with 440 would be a more rare car. also with at least 300 Daytona still "alive" that means about 100 4 speed cars are till out there. 4 speed superbird would be more rare using the same evaluation
Did anyone call David Spade and tell him this one is available? He might have an offer deemed reasonable by the seller.... :smilielol:
Quote from: Moparpoolman on June 08, 2016, 12:29:40 PM
I don't remember if it was ever said to be numbers matching or not. Taxspeaker said he knew in one of his posts but didn't want to make it public knowledge at the time, how about now?, is it numbers matching motor and trans?
Motor is a replacement. More than likely a warranty motor.. It has a 70 casting and no VIN stamping..
I hear you guys on the cost of resto and purchase price versus a nice complete car. The fact is that nice Daytonas are hot right now and $150K is the going rate for a decent car. It doesn't always make good financial sense to buy a project and restore it. Good news is that I am not in the business of restoring these things for profit, I am a hobbyist. With that said at 90K a guy can get into it and maybe get it running and drive it a bit and enjoy it and make some memories with it before tearing into it. 150K is a lot more money than 90K and some can't bridge that gap (hell I can't afford the 90 either) but maybe someone could and it gets their foot in the door. I don't 90K at this point is all that outrageous.
Quote from: wingcarenvy on June 08, 2016, 10:18:54 PM
I hear you guys on the cost of resto and purchase price versus a nice complete car. The fact is that nice Daytonas are hot right now and $150K is the going rate for a decent car. It doesn't always make good financial sense to buy a project and restore it. Good news is that I am not in the business of restoring these things for profit, I am a hobbyist. With that said at 90K a guy can get into it and maybe get it running and drive it a bit and enjoy it and make some memories with it before tearing into it. 150K is a lot more money than 90K and some can't bridge that gap (hell I can't afford the 90 either) but maybe someone could and it gets their foot in the door. I don't 90K at this point is all that outrageous.
That's why I said earlier that I've seen some guys spend even more for less of a car, I think the only thing that twisted everyone is the sellers method of sale, I've encountered these types before, usually I just walk away, but I do love when the sale fails, and your contacted by the seller, then either low ball him from the previous offer or just reject his offer of sale
I agree 90k is a lot for this car but not too outrageous, especially if the guy isn't a flipper. I'd be willing to pay top dollar also for a rare project car if I had the funds because working on and restoring the cars is over half the fun for me. Anyone can buy a classic car and drive it but I'd rather have my hands on it the whole way through. :Twocents:
Was there a numbers matching trans atleast
no the trans is a few years newer
Probably no buildsheet. The fender tag and dash vin body numbers allthere is for the extent of documentation
Be sweet to see him have to relist it for less coin.just saying :pity:
Drum roll.....
So a buyer has been selected and I can say that based on my bid someone is paying too much for this car.
You guys going to spill the beans or are we going to drag this out like the sale :rofl:
Dave
Quote from: kiwitrev on June 11, 2016, 10:31:14 AM
So a buyer has been selected and I can say that based on my bid someone is paying too much for this car.
Yeap, I got a text and email from Denis as well.... The car is sold, this story is over ( unless someone here got it ).. My buddy here locally didn't get it.... As far as paying too much, if the new owner is happy, that's all that matters... I don't think they sacrificed dinner on the table or a roof over their head to get it... If I had the money, I would have paid the "probably" 90K for it....
I don't know what it sold for but I was above the 90k and I was "well down the list" suggesting over $100k and I turned down a better car with immaculate documentation for $100k
any word on the sale?
Quote from: farm966 on June 17, 2016, 10:10:22 AM
any word on the sale?
It sold... He got the title fixed ( apparently I was the 1st one to notice it as XS instead of XX ). He wrote me and my friend who was interested a real nice email but at the end of the day, my buddy's offer wasn't high enough ( about 73K )..
I didn't ask what it sold for.......
T
The car is now residing in Florida. The Buyer is a man who has a real nice car collection, and he's a really great person. He has Parkinson's disease and wants to fulfill a long time desire of restoring a Daytona. In this case its not so much about cost vs profit. Its about timing, fulfilling a dream, having a distraction, and lots of smiles. He will have the car restored to its former beauty, close to original as possible, and worthy to be seen anywhere. He's in the Bahamas with his two son's on a three week vacation and he will be managing the restoration soon after his return. All is well.
Quote from: Wolfe440 on June 20, 2016, 04:11:15 PM
The car is now residing in Florida. The Buyer is a man who has a real nice car collection, and he's a really great person. He has Parkinson's disease and wants to fulfill a long time desire of restoring a Daytona. In this case its not so much about cost vs profit. Its about timing, fulfilling a dream, having a distraction, and lots of smiles. He will have the car restored to its former beauty, close to original as possible, and worthy to be seen anywhere. He's in the Bahamas with his two son's on a three week vacation and he will be managing the restoration soon after his return. All is well.
I'm glad he bought it!
Quote from: 1970Moparmann on June 20, 2016, 04:34:04 PM
Quote from: Wolfe440 on June 20, 2016, 04:11:15 PM
The car is now residing in Florida. The Buyer is a man who has a real nice car collection, and he's a really great person. He has Parkinson's disease and wants to fulfill a long time desire of restoring a Daytona. In this case its not so much about cost vs profit. Its about timing, fulfilling a dream, having a distraction, and lots of smiles. He will have the car restored to its former beauty, close to original as possible, and worthy to be seen anywhere. He's in the Bahamas with his two son's on a three week vacation and he will be managing the restoration soon after his return. All is well.
I'm glad he bought it!
:yesnod: :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
thanks for the up date , looking forward , hearing & maybe seeing progress pictures , sometime
Sounds like it went to a good home. Wish him best of luck with the resto. It will be a great car done returned to its former glory.
A F6 4-speed Daytona is tough to beat.
Dave
I will come back with updates, its sitting in my garage until his return from vacation, I took delivery for him. Thanks! Wolfe
Looks better already! So was the $90k figure close to what it went for?
Dave
Did the boot come with it?
:smilielol:
It was above the 90k, that's all the rights I have to say. There was some big hitters at the end. His name is Paul, he felt the car would go for more then 90k even with a warranty motor and no broadcast or other documentation. Reason being the one they found in a barn and went to auction around Feb was a similar situation, it went for I believe 90k plus 9k in auction fees. Some Doctor over here in Fl in Tampa bought it. This one being a rarer color and a four speed figured it to possibly go more, and he wanted it, time is fleeting.
I did find about 15% of a broadcast behind the back seat upright, pretty much useless. Fender tag is good and still readable, the two vins stamped in the body are there, the transmission is number matching, rear is Dana and does not appear ever messed with, still has tag of 3:53.. (..remember correctly). Engine has no VIN, its 70 motor but does have correct ribs indicating the better block. One can assume its warranty. To me its at least better than a vin motor that does not match. I did find a 1974 Texas road map in it, and some 80's old alum beer can tabs in the ash tray. The glove box also produced a 1975 Texas invitation/map to a picnic with a Texas state Attorney, and a very fragile 1969 Dodge News magazine. The cover shows a NASCAR 69 Daytona at some speedway and a call out regarding Dodge dominating....ah, clearly.
Very cool.....excited to see the results
Maybe this dodge news. http://66.135.209.70/itm/Dodge-News-Magazine-November-1969-Scat-Pack-issue-Dodge-Racing-1970-Performance-/172169585952?nav=SEARCH
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 20, 2016, 08:11:51 PM
Maybe this dodge news. http://66.135.209.70/itm/Dodge-News-Magazine-November-1969-Scat-Pack-issue-Dodge-Racing-1970-Performance-/172169585952?nav=SEARCH
That's it exactly, but not so pretty.
Welcome Wolfe440! And thanks for sharing the news of the new owner. :2thumbs:
Looking forward to seeing this one brought back!
Quote from: Wolfe440 on June 20, 2016, 07:15:43 PM
It was above the 90k, that's all the rights I have to say. There was some big hitters at the end. His name is Paul, he felt the car would go for more then 90k even with a warranty motor and no broadcast or other documentation. Reason being the one they found in a barn and went to auction around Feb was a similar situation, it went for I believe 90k plus 9k in auction fees. Some Doctor over here in Fl in Tampa bought it. This one being a rarer color and a four speed figured it to possibly go more, and he wanted it, time is fleeting.
I did find about 15% of a broadcast behind the back seat upright, pretty much useless. Fender tag is good and still readable, the two vins stamped in the body are there, the transmission is number matching, rear is Dana and does not appear ever messed with, still has tag of 3:53.. (..remember correctly). Engine has no VIN, its 70 motor but does have correct ribs indicating the better block. One can assume its warranty. To me its at least better than a vin motor that does not match. I did find a 1974 Texas road map in it, and some 80's old alum beer can tabs in the ash tray. The glove box also produced a 1975 Texas invitation/map to a picnic with a Texas state Attorney, and a very fragile 1969 Dodge News magazine. The cover shows a NASCAR 69 Daytona at some speedway and a call out regarding Dodge dominating....ah, clearly.
Thanks for sharing, in the end its only worth what someone was willing to pay. I am happy the car was bought by someone who has the means to get it restored. I agree I like this one quite a bit more than the "Barn Find Daytona" that was auctioned off earlier this year. I would try and save as many of the original parts that you possibly can. This Forum will be your best source for information...there are tons of great threads here that will help you with the resto. I wouldn't be afraid to ask questions either as this group will be able to steer you in the right direction.
Best of luck! I am looking forward to following the progress.
Dave
Is the owner planning on doing a full restoration?
Quote from: Wolfe440 on June 20, 2016, 07:15:43 PM
I did find about 15% of a broadcast behind the back seat upright, pretty much useless.
I knew it !!! .... Discovered the discrepancy on the title and could see a portion of the sheet between the rear seat trunk divider and top of top cushion..
Quote from: moparnation74 on June 21, 2016, 12:36:57 PM
Is the owner planning on doing a full restoration?
Yes, Paul will be doing a full restoration, meaning every original nut, bolt, component and rotisserie. I will probably be doing the tear down and assembly. I've been restoring Paul's V code 71 Charger R/T barn find, 24k miles, so well documented its even got the business card to the 1971 Dodge salesman. All original and numbers matching. First buyer was murdered in 73, after that car never left family barn.
I met Paul a while back selling him my 70 roadrunner convertible, he then came back and bought my 70 Challenger R/T. I've been restoring Mopars for decades for my own pleasure. Paul asked if I would restore Mopars for his collection. Nice guy, he's got the money, couldn't refuse.
I'm ready to dig into this Daytona, but I have to wait until he returns from Bahamas.
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 21, 2016, 10:52:49 PM
Quote from: Wolfe440 on June 20, 2016, 07:15:43 PM
I did find about 15% of a broadcast behind the back seat upright, pretty much useless.
I knew it !!! .... Discovered the discrepancy on the title and could see a portion of the sheet between the rear seat trunk divider and top of top cushion..
Thank You for finding the discrepancy on the title, Denis had it fixed, Texas issued a new one and all is well.
Seen a few daytona right from new with manafactor statement of origin had XS and not XX.And 1 daytona has XP on dash
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=79574.5;imode
Years prior to this daytona coming out .I was in Austin and pursued buying a set of blue 69 daytona fender scoops.And noticed traces of blue on this daytona
Quote from: nascarxx29 on June 22, 2016, 10:32:11 AM
Years prior to this daytona coming out .I was in Austin and pursued buying a set of blue 69 daytona fender scoops.And noticed traces of blue on this daytona
Very interesting, I didn't know about the VIN discrepancies, thought this was a single case.
Yes, original F6 Bright green metallic and white wing, and I can see the car was then painted blue, and then over that the olive color.
I read they produced something like 34 of the F6 Bright Green Metallic. Any way to know how many F6 were 4 speeds?
Not sure check registry with galen govier and both. wing clubs
Quote from: Wolfe440 on June 22, 2016, 09:38:59 AM
Quote from: moparnation74 on June 21, 2016, 12:36:57 PM
Is the owner planning on doing a full restoration?
Yes, Paul will be doing a full restoration, meaning every original nut, bolt, component and rotisserie. I will probably be doing the tear down and assembly. I've been restoring Paul's V code 71 Charger R/T barn find, 24k miles, so well documented its even got the business card to the 1971 Dodge salesman. All original and numbers matching. First buyer was murdered in 73, after that car never left family barn.
I met Paul a while back selling him my 70 roadrunner convertible, he then came back and bought my 70 Challenger R/T. I've been restoring Mopars for decades for my own pleasure. Paul asked if I would restore Mopars for his collection. Nice guy, he's got the money, couldn't refuse.
I'm ready to dig into this Daytona, but I have to wait until he returns from Bahamas.
Absolutely love both of your old cars. Would love to see the '71 R/T you are restoring for him. :yesnod:
Glad to see it went to a good home after all the drama.
Will the old beer can pop tops end up on ebay as "1969 Daytona Ashtray Beer Tabs"? I'd like to bid on them.
Quote from: RallyeMike on June 22, 2016, 02:48:48 PM
Glad to see it went to a good home after all the drama.
Will the old beer can pop tops end up on ebay as "1969 Daytona Ashtray Beer Tabs"? I'd like to bid on them.
Nice, lol...maybe.
Whadda think the bidding should start?
Tell your friend congrats & welcome to the site. Looks like hes in good hands with the work you have already performed on the other cars. Really nice work!
:cheers:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on June 22, 2016, 02:44:58 PM
Quote from: Wolfe440 on June 22, 2016, 09:38:59 AM
Quote from: moparnation74 on June 21, 2016, 12:36:57 PM
Is the owner planning on doing a full restoration?
Yes, Paul will be doing a full restoration, meaning every original nut, bolt, component and rotisserie. I will probably be doing the tear down and assembly. I've been restoring Paul's V code 71 Charger R/T barn find, 24k miles, so well documented its even got the business card to the 1971 Dodge salesman. All original and numbers matching. First buyer was murdered in 73, after that car never left family barn.
I met Paul a while back selling him my 70 roadrunner convertible, he then came back and bought my 70 Challenger R/T. I've been restoring Mopars for decades for my own pleasure. Paul asked if I would restore Mopars for his collection. Nice guy, he's got the money, couldn't refuse.
I'm ready to dig into this Daytona, but I have to wait until he returns from Bahamas.
Absolutely love both of your old cars. Would love to see the '71 R/T you are restoring for him. :yesnod:
V code 440 6. Attached a couple of pics when they pulled it from the Barn in Conn. It was full of every rodent nests in every hideaway possible..it was disgusting... as you can see in the picture when I pulled the dash. Had to use a mask for most of disassembly, wonder I didn't get some disease. Every single part was there, and the documentation on the car could not be better. Every paper the day the car was delivered accounted for, BOS, Invoice, Warranty, Broadcast, Consumer Info Braking/Acceleration, window sticker, Operator Manual, salesman business card, copy of original buyer 71 title. The body has been in shop almost a year. When I tore down engine and measured cylinders, the worse one was only out .002. Car proved over and over it was an honest 24k mile car. Its also owned by Paul, and he's bought me many a beer for risking my life! :cheers:
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on June 22, 2016, 05:10:00 PM
Tell your friend congrats & welcome to the site. Looks like hes in good hands with the work you have already performed on the other cars. Really nice work!
:cheers:
I will pass on the message to Paul, and thank you for complement.
In 1975 I got thrown out of an English class in high school for disruption with a guy named Mike who had a 70 383 roadrunner. Instead of reporting to the Dean's office as ordered,... he took me for a ride and after that I was hooked. Owned many Mopars since, and good old Mike is still my best friend.
Quote from: Wolfe440 on June 22, 2016, 11:37:34 AM
Very interesting, I didn't know about the VIN discrepancies, thought this was a single case.
I read they produced something like 34 of the F6 Bright Green Metallic.
Nope one of my previous cars had a XS instead of XX also.
I believe the count on Daytona's painted F6 is 43 instead of 34.
Wolfe440, will you be able to share the restoration with us on this site?
Luke
Wolfe440,
Just curious, where in CONN. did you find the '71? What Dodge dealer was it originally purchased from?
I live in Connecticut.
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Quote from: Davtona on June 23, 2016, 05:46:49 AM
Quote from: Wolfe440 on June 22, 2016, 11:37:34 AM
Very interesting, I didn't know about the VIN discrepancies, thought this was a single case.
I read they produced something like 34 of the F6 Bright Green Metallic.
Nope one of my previous cars had a XS instead of XX also.
I believe the count on Daytona's painted F6 is 43 instead of 34.
Thank You, its my aixelsyd.... I mean dyslexia kicking in.
Quote from: 66FBCharger on June 23, 2016, 09:36:56 AM
Wolfe440,
Just curious, where in CONN. did you find the '71? What Dodge dealer was it originally purchased from?
I live in Connecticut.
It was actually purchased at White Planes Dodge, White Planes NY, the buyer lived in Stanford Conn. I attached BOS, the typing is bit faded but with some effort is still somewhat readable.
Quote from: lukedukem on June 23, 2016, 09:29:24 AM
Wolfe440, will you be able to share the restoration with us on this site?
Luke
Yes, I shall be back with some updates.
All beautiful cars :drool5:
Happy to see the daytona fell into the right hands to bring back to its original glory :2thumbs:
Quote from: Wolfe440 on June 23, 2016, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: 66FBCharger on June 23, 2016, 09:36:56 AM
Wolfe440,
Just curious, where in CONN. did you find the '71? What Dodge dealer was it originally purchased from?
I live in Connecticut.
It was actually purchased at White Planes Dodge, White Planes NY, the buyer lived in Stanford Conn. I attached BOS, the typing is bit faded but with some effort is still somewhat readable.
If you can scan a higher res version I'll photoshop a more readable one for you.
Quote from: Homerr on June 23, 2016, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: Wolfe440 on June 23, 2016, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: 66FBCharger on June 23, 2016, 09:36:56 AM
Wolfe440,
Just curious, where in CONN. did you find the '71? What Dodge dealer was it originally purchased from?
I live in Connecticut.
It was actually purchased at White Planes Dodge, White Planes NY, the buyer lived in Stanford Conn. I attached BOS, the typing is bit faded but with some effort is still somewhat readable.
If you can scan a higher res version I'll photoshop a more readable one for you.
That would be great. Paul has the original at his house. I scanned this when car was delivered. I reduced file size to post it below 200. The source file is 1700 X 2338, is that any good? If so how can I get that one to you? If not good high enough, I can get my hands on the original again when Paul returns from vacation.
I sent you a PM.
We know it got bought any progress on its resto
Quote from: nascarxx29 on August 02, 2016, 10:25:00 AM
We know it got bought any progress on its resto
Car has been dissembled down to a rolling shell, the nose has been removed and handed off to the body shop, its being evaluated as to what can be saved. The brackets etc., are all solid and can be restored, but the outer sheet metal is rough, we have not yet decided the plan with that, been talking to wingedwarrior about options, but we got time because the car itself will not be going to the body shop until around December. We want them to first finish the 71 Charger R/T,... make us happy with that and then they get the Daytona. They have done good work in the past for Paul, but not taking it for granted. Besides, the R/T is on the rotisserie that will be needed for the Daytona. Engine has been torn down, it was frozen solid due to a head gasket blown a long time ago and it rusted cyl #1 rings to the wall...many years ago. From the condition of the cratered piston top it must have happened a long way from home and driven anyway. The rest of the cylinders were real close to spec, very little wear, no more then .002-.003 over. It took some time but I finally got #1 piston out, the wall was not too badly damaged, prob +.030 will clean it all up. Already purchased all new sheet metal pieces for the trunk floor, main floor, LH inner fender and tail light panel. And that's about it for now, thanks for asking! RJ
very cool glad she will be restore and he can fulfill a dream
Where's the pics man. This car deserves its own thread. Kidding, I'm just glad it's getting restored. :2thumbs:
But for real, start a thread for this car.
Luke
Quote from: lukedukem on August 02, 2016, 09:09:53 PM
Where's the pics man. This car deserves its own thread. Kidding, I'm just glad it's getting restored. :2thumbs:
But for real, start a thread for this car.
Luke
Seriously, lets see some pics! :shruggy:
Wow! Just read through all of this.
Maybe it's time to make a for sale ad. :)
A complete numbers matching B5/B5/White/440 auto with broadcast sheet and fender tag aught to be worth a decent amount of cash in today's market compaired to the car that started this thread.
Matt, you guys will never sell. But if you do give me a heads up.
Quote from: moonlithaven on August 02, 2016, 09:51:49 PM
Quote from: lukedukem on August 02, 2016, 09:09:53 PM
Where's the pics man. This car deserves its own thread. Kidding, I'm just glad it's getting restored. :2thumbs:
But for real, start a thread for this car.
Luke
Seriously, lets see some pics! :shruggy:
:2thumbs: :popcrn: :cheers:
Quote from: 69_500 on August 16, 2016, 09:34:50 PM
Matt, you guys will never sell. But if you do give me a heads up.
Never say never Danny. Sometimes money just plain talks.
Theres probably bigger can of worms uncovered on tear down they dont want public knowledge
Well didn't get the Texas mess I started discussing here in April, but I did fullfill my dream and bought this one November 1. Had to sell my 6 year restoration AAR and putting my baby 65 Cuda total resto up for sale over Christmas, put off retirement a few more years but its worth it. Here is a tease picture unloading it at the shop. Numbers match 4 speed Y2.
Resize and enhance! :popcrn:
Doggone it if I had known how to do that I would! This picture thing has bamboozled me ever since I joined the forum ;)
;)
:drool5:
wanna see more :2thumbs: :yesnod:
Y2 :drool5: :dance: :yesnod: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
mr. roper's talents made that one all pretty. nice car for sure.
it was in great shape, even in the wrong shade of yellow with the awful wheels
Quote from: taxspeaker on December 14, 2016, 04:02:32 PM
Well didn't get the Texas mess I started discussing here in April, but I did fullfill my dream and bought this one November 1. Had to sell my 6 year restoration AAR and putting my baby 65 Cuda total resto up for sale over Christmas, put off retirement a few more years but its worth it. Here is a tease picture unloading it at the shop. Numbers match 4 speed Y2.
Awesome !!!!!! Look forward to the day when I can park mine side by side....... :2thumbs:
NEW THread with lots of pics ??? Maaaaaaaaaaaaaybee both wing cars ??? congrads :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Picture needs cropping. Nice Car, Congrats :2thumbs: LEON.
Any links to before an during ,sale and Larry restore works?? :drool5: :popcrn: :drool5: :popcrn: :2thumbs:
Quote from: djcarguy on December 24, 2016, 08:58:31 AM
Any links to before an during ,sale and Larry restore works??
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,91575.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,88532.msg1000306.html#msg1000306
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,94853.0.html
Just after unloading from trailer on purchase day.
Currently undergoing minor repairs:
NOS hoses installed
reverse indicator lamp repaired
New redline spare and all jacks installed
dash out to fix clock
still need to clay bar and wax exterior
still need to deep clean (gently) interior
Headrest only on passenger seat?
Wow, a twin !
Welcome to the Y2 club !
Looks GREAT John!
Congrats on the purchase! Now we need a pic of the both of them side by side in the garage! :2thumbs:
A long time coming, but Magnum Restoration was doing a restoration on the bird and finished just in time for the Nationals this weekend.
Looks much better now http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=91575.0
:drool5: :drool5: :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
Holy crap. Nice garage (and cars)! :drool5:
The Y2 car is just lovely,congratulations! :cheers: :2thumbs:
What ever happened to this Daytona. Wolfe posted that it was going in to the shop 12/2016-any updates or pictures?
Quote from: taxspeaker on August 13, 2017, 07:38:50 PM
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=123358.0;attach=277071;image)
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=123358.0;attach=277072;image)
Nice Garage.....4 cars wide & 2 deep. You da man!
http://moparconnectionmagazine.com/deal-of-the-day-amazing-bargain-1969-daytona-charger-listed/
Quote from: taxspeaker on March 26, 2018, 05:53:34 PM
What ever happened to this Daytona. Wolfe posted that it was going in to the shop 12/2016-any updates or pictures?
Yes its been two years or so, may like to hear an update. The car has been at Vintage Metal in Georgia since my last posting on it and they did an excellent job. The owner of Vintage Metal Jim Davis has been great to deal with. Car is finished regarding all necessary metal restoration and refurbishing down to the skeleton. The car has a new metal nose and metal rear window plug, the only items fiberglass are the fender scoops. Eric Nelson did a stellar job regarding fabricating and assembling all the internal nose components regarding headlights etc.
I should be receiving the car back in a few weeks, this phase is finally done. Vintage is doing last adjustments with motor, 4 speed trans, seats etc., installed to weight the body and make adjustments. Next is cosmetics, no decision yet who. Lot of components have been restored and ready for the assembly phase.
Bought the 426 Hemi that was in Canada that came out of the 69 Daytona with the missing body.. which they say was lost in a garage fire. We had the cross member altered factory correct for the hemi. The original 440 is a warranty motor from 70, we are going to one day rebuild it, keep it as a part of the car.
Through Jim at Vintage Metal, who does work on projects for Tim Petty at Moonshine Racing in North Carolina, Jim took the motor to him and he was willing to rebuilt it. As a Petty would he did an excellent job. It produced 497hp and 575 torque on the dyno, not bad for stock. Tim and Maurice Petty signed the dyno sheets, very nice of them.
Its been a fun journey so far. Looking forward to the paint stage. Even better is the the assembly stage since that's my part. Thx, Wolf.
Quote from: Wolfe440 on November 26, 2018, 10:16:37 PM
Quote from: taxspeaker on March 26, 2018, 05:53:34 PM
What ever happened to this Daytona. Wolfe posted that it was going in to the shop 12/2016-any updates or pictures?
Yes its been two years or so, may like to hear an update.
Wow... I remember visiting this Daytona when it was in Austin.. That is the same car !!!!
Jim Davis there at VMW is a stand up guy and isn't afraid of rust!
You took it to the right place for the body to be overhauled for sure
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Good to see it's on ways back.You wouldn't think a TX car be that rusty
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 27, 2018, 10:18:10 AM
Good to see it's on ways back.You wouldn't think a TX car be that rusty
Think owner, the brother of the deceased owner, said it was around Corpus Christi for a long time, or the Gulf Coast somewhere.. Humid and salty air area..
Quote from: nascarxx29 on November 27, 2018, 10:18:10 AM
Good to see it's on ways back.You wouldn't think a TX car be that rusty
It was not just rust that made us take the car to this level,..in fact it had very saveable floor pans etc. Beyond that.. the problem was also Snails. They were everywhere in the sub frame rails and in about every hidden crevice of the car,.. dead and alive. Then we thought about the eggs,... the car is done and baby Snails start dropping out of it. Comical,... but we couldn't take a chance. To be sure we agreed with the recommendation to take it down to the skeleton and pressure sanitize every hidden inch. Glad we did, it was quite surprising the amount of dirt and crap that came out that we would not have reached otherwise.
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs: great stuff looking forward to seeing more pictures as & when :popcrn:
Snails...that's a new one to me!
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on November 28, 2018, 07:55:13 AM
Snails...that's a new one to me!
Well at least it looks like the restoration is not going at a snails pace.
And I am sure the car will be far from a slug! :icon_smile_big:
Very Nice have you got another photo ?
Quote from: XS29L9B2 on November 28, 2018, 03:37:19 PM
Very Nice have you got another photo ?
Attached a few more during the process, couple of Hemi motor. Correct Bendix brakes installed later. When I get the car back in Dec I will be able to provide better.
A few more of car when in Texas and then in Georgia at Vintage Metal during the beginning of tear down. Apart from original main skeleton and the firewall etc., we did use the original doors, front fenders, hood, trunk lid and wing.
Hi Folks, 18 March 2022
Previous post was 3.5 years ago. Did the car ever get finished? Just Curious.
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Quote from: 426HemiChick on March 19, 2022, 02:04:54 AM
Did the car ever get finished? Just Curious.
Yes... :yesnod:
Thread Link (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,140862.0.html)
Here's a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3uSxESf9bw
Very cool car. $300K+ cool? Not sure.
Anyone know if nose is real or a Janak nose?
Quote from: WINGIN IT on March 20, 2022, 06:54:34 AM
Very cool car. $300K+ cool? Not sure.
Anyone know if nose is real or a Janak nose?
Nose is all metal.
It's on Hemmings. I spoke to owner, he is talking with someone regarding a trade that may happen.
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/dodge/charger-daytona/2555063.html
Quote from: Wolfe440 on March 20, 2022, 09:18:36 AM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on March 20, 2022, 06:54:34 AM
Very cool car. $300K+ cool? Not sure.
Anyone know if nose is real or a Janak nose?
Nose is all metal.
Thanks Wolfe, but an original nose?
Do you know what he's thinking of trading with it?
The original was too wasted, its new metal, had one made.
He mentioned it was a 71 Cuda. He likes doing restoration, so I presume its one that will need it.
Gotcha thanks ;)
I realized the car has manual steering AND manual drum brakes.
That is just crazy to me, to put all that weight and power in the car and not upgrade those as well.
I hope the new owner has some muscle ! ;D
Its got Bendix disk on the front. I took the car for a drive and it braked better then I expected, the braking performance and pedal felt good for manual.
The clutch pedal good, car shifted nice.
The manual steering is not bad..., as long as you have some kind of forward motion. Maneuvering at a stand still was a workout. But the good of that is.. I didn't have to hit the gym on the way home. :yesnod:
Hi Folks, 22 March 2022
$395K seems high for a non original restored Daytona. It wasn't born with a Hemi and sticking one under the hood doesn't make it a true Hemi Daytona; more in the clone category. If the owner gets that amount he'll be lucky. The fact that the price is also annotated with "Negotiable" indicates he's not expecting to get it.
Won't dismiss the fact that it looks beautiful. The $990K Super Bird tells me anything is possible. Hope the buyer of it didn't have Buyer's remorse the next morning.
Best Always
426 Hemi Chicks
It also wasn't made original with a warranty motor, and the owner is clearly not trying to sell it as an original Hemi car.
But it is an original 4 speed, Dana, F6 Green Daytona that has been restored so thoroughly and beautifully that with the right care will last the ages.
One can always go spend the 800k plus if they want something more Hemi original.
Quote from: Wolfe440 on March 22, 2022, 08:31:29 AM
It also wasn't made original with a warranty motor, and the owner is clearly not trying to sell it as an original Hemi car.
But it is an original 4 speed, Dana, F6 Green Daytona that has been restored so thoroughly and beautifully that with the right care will last the ages.
One can always go spend the 800k plus if they want something more Hemi original.
Amen. Car is priced low IMO. Hemi came out of a Daytona, it's as close as you're gonna get. Unless you desire to spend the Million. Beautiful machine.
Quote from: Wolfe440 on March 21, 2022, 08:21:24 PM
Its got Bendix disk on the front. I took the car for a drive and it braked better then I expected, the braking performance and pedal felt good for manual.
The clutch pedal good, car shifted nice.
The manual steering is not bad..., as long as you have some kind of forward motion. Maneuvering at a stand still was a workout. But the good of that is.. I didn't have to hit the gym on the way home. :yesnod:
Manual disc better than no disc brakes IMO ;) .
Thanks for the feedback on how it drove. :2thumbs:
Wolfe440 & Qdabopy are apparently the same. ;)
This daytona has been fully restored added a vintage hem and was been for sale
I remember when people thought this car was way to much when they first wanted $55k :scratchchin: I'm curious why owner bought, Restored, then decided to sell as soon as it was Restored? :scratchchin: LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 07, 2022, 07:20:20 PM
I remember when people thought this car was way to much when they first wanted $55k :scratchchin: I'm curious why owner bought, Restored, then decided to sell as soon as it was Restored? :scratchchin: LEON.
It's because the owner has Parkinsons, and during the five years of restoration it has advanced to the point he is unable to drive the car, so why keep it. He just had the operation with the device inserted in his brain, and is recovering and waiting to see how well his capacities improve. But its doubtful he will have the ability to drive again.
The car has had offers, but most want to include a trade which the owner does not want to accommodate. One is ongoing that involves cash and a 69 A12 Bee, numbers matching and well documented that needs a complete restoration. He may take it and decide later what to do with it. But frankly he's in no hurry.
Wolf
Quote from: Wolfe440 on August 07, 2022, 08:21:11 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 07, 2022, 07:20:20 PM
I remember when people thought this car was way to much when they first wanted $55k :scratchchin: I'm curious why owner bought, Restored, then decided to sell as soon as it was Restored? :scratchchin: LEON.
It's because the owner has Parkinsons, and during the five years of restoration it has advanced to the point he is unable to drive the car, so why keep it. He just had the operation with the device inserted in his brain, and is recovering and waiting to see how well his capacities improve. But its doubtful he will have the ability to drive again.
The car has had offers, but most want to include a trade which the owner does not want to accommodate. One is ongoing that involves cash and a 69 A12 Bee, numbers matching and well documented that needs a complete restoration. He may take it and decide later what to do with it. But frankly he's in no hurry.
Wolf
Yeah, I remember reading about the Parkinsons, Sorry to hear this. If I win the lotto I'll buy it. LEON.
:cheers: :2thumbs:
I so wanted to buy this car when it was in Texas. I know I wasn't the only one who was constantly talking to the sellers at that point.
Did this car ever sell or is it still available?
I believe it sold recently.
Quote from: WINGIN IT on March 10, 2023, 08:32:20 AMI believe it sold recently.
Hi WINGIN IT, 10 March 2023
Any idea how much it went for?
Ran through this complete thread this AM. It sure looks nice.
This thread should be made into an Adventure Flick, lots of twists and turns.
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I do not.
The last asking price I saw was $375K I believe.
Quote from: WINGIN IT on March 11, 2023, 09:43:37 AMI do not.
The last asking price I saw was $375K I believe.
Hi WINGIN IT, 12 Mar 2023
Sounds like a decent price; the photo looks great. Have you or has anyone else seen this car up close enough to see the workmanship of the restorer?
Thanks in advance.
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I did not, nor do I know anyone personally who did, but from my understanding it was a very high quality restoration.
Quote from: WINGIN IT on March 12, 2023, 08:58:50 PMI did not, nor do I know anyone personally who did, but from my understanding it was a very high quality restoration.
Hi WINGIN IT, 12 March 2023
Thanks for the info. If that's the real price, it would make a reasonable fun driver. You wouldn't be endangering a $2MIL rarity and the insurance would possibly be somewhat more reasonable.
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