I think this one was for sale on CL not long ago...http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-440-Magnum-4-Speed-/200759032269?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2ebe2bb9cd (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-440-Magnum-4-Speed-/200759032269?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2ebe2bb9cd)
at least it's not stuck in the back yard any more.
Is he dreaming on the buy it now price?
Bryan
4 speed #'s match :popcrn:
To bad there is no fender tag pic.
"Leather seats"
?
Quote from: RallyeMike on May 13, 2012, 01:05:38 AM
"Leather seats"
?
I'm sure it is just a case that he or some previous owner added them......... Unless it is an A47 SE car, but I doubt that since it doesn't have the SE medallion nor woodgrain dash...
my first thought was the seller might be too young to remember vinyl seats, and since they aren't cloth...
the asking price is a lot of money, but it is the real deal. it will be interesting to see the outcome.
I saw this one last night and thought it was the same one that was on Craigslist a few months back, Does not look too bad to me? although it needs work.
Wonder what the original color was??
He said it was originally Y2 yellow...he will post the fender tag later.
The only thing I found on was is ship info
400569 344 King Dodge Inc Portland,? 8/29/1969
This one's got potential.. Seems the body's pretty straight and it's got that 4-speed thing... Hope he sells......
Pass. upper door pad missing, what else. :shruggy:. For that price everthing should be there. :Twocents:.
looks nice..... :popcrn:
He said his reserve was less than the BIN price.
So what are you guys thinking of as far as as a price? $100K?
If it is indeed number's matching and the body is in good shape,and is a nice driver, I can't see it going for much less. 4 speed and disc brakes are a big plus, (not to mention those painted to match vector rims :D )
That Y2 automatic a while back needed more work and I believe that one got bid in the 80s.
Quote from: WINGIN IT on May 14, 2012, 11:27:43 AM
He said his reserve was less than the BIN price.
So what are you guys thinking of as far as as a price? $100K?
If it is indeed number's matching and the body is in good shape,and is a nice driver, I can't see it going for much less. 4 speed and disc brakes are a big plus, (not to mention those painted to match vector rims :D )
That Y2 automatic a while back needed more work and I believe that one got bid in the 80s.
Based on the "marketability" of mine, the fact it is apparently an original 4-speed and what appears to be a solid original panel car (who knows, the pictures can't really tell and ad doesn't mention it), then I would say 100K easy.. But, I'm jaded......
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 14, 2012, 11:34:02 AM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on May 14, 2012, 11:27:43 AM
He said his reserve was less than the BIN price.
So what are you guys thinking of as far as as a price? $100K?
If it is indeed number's matching and the body is in good shape,and is a nice driver, I can't see it going for much less. 4 speed and disc brakes are a big plus, (not to mention those painted to match vector rims :D )
That Y2 automatic a while back needed more work and I believe that one got bid in the 80s.
Based on the "marketability" of mine, the fact it is apparently an original 4-speed and what appears to be a solid original panel car (who knows, the pictures can't really tell and ad doesn't mention it), then I would say 100K easy.. But, I'm jaded......
Troy if you are jaded, I am tainted... :smilielol: :smilielol: IMO if the buyer is a typical fully restore the car, there is nicer cars out there done and although I like Y2 it is not the typical "have to have colors". So say at 100k plus 70-100+ resto =200k in it, it will/should not sell at 100k IMO, other cars this past yr have prooven that 65-80k range it seems as FMV to me. If a fella, bought it and groomed with a repaint to a nice driver, I could see doing that... it would likely NOT be anywhere as nice as Troys and more money..... not that I am shopping, that car would have to be at 60 before I would start getting bothered, others likely would flinch before me some amount higher, just my thoughts on this car, like it, just not that much :Twocents:
:popcrn:
originaly Y2 eh :drool5: heres more pictures before the Ad goes :yesnod:
:coolgleamA:
If I got a set of 15x8 steelies and painted them either the same yellow with doggies or black with chrome lug nuts, replace the antenna and then replace the missing door panel, she'd look pretty good without a repaint..... At least getcha up and going...... Those rims really don't do anything for me.....
The car is caught in an 80's time warp (color, wheels, seat covers, #3 decal on the glass) and could be "improved" pretty easily. Someone knows what they have, but is apparently not the typical Daytona collector. This is one of those cars totally off the radar screen for decades. They are still out there. Cool car.
cool car, worth the 68k thats it bid now, but I wouldnt even think to pay the "buy it now", looks to me like it has problems under the paint. of course could be just the pics but I like better both the other daytonas I saw on the market today.
Quote from: Aero426 on May 15, 2012, 08:05:47 AM
The car is caught in an 80's time warp (color, wheels, seat covers, #3 decal on the glass) and could be "improved" pretty easily. Someone knows what they have, but is apparently not the typical Daytona collector. This is one of those cars totally off the radar screen for decades. They are still out there. Cool car.
I like seeing these cars being ( outside the ring ) and being used as a day two ( street machine )
QuoteI like seeing these cars being ( outside the ring ) and being used as a day two ( street machine )
me too :cheers:
Quote from: surmanajaja on May 15, 2012, 10:08:34 AM
cool car, worth the 68k thats it bid now, but I wouldnt even think to pay the "buy it now", looks to me like it has problems under the paint. of course could be just the pics but I like better both the other daytonas I saw on the market today.
The part I like about it, from the pictures, is the rear valance seams.... They aren't filled in like what a lot of people did back in the day when there was damage or rust repair... Looks nice.....
Has anyone seen this one? Would you value this about $30k below the BIN?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-440-Magnum-4-Speed-/200759032269?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2ebe2bb9cd
it will be interesting to see where the bidding ends.
$68.1K :brickwall:
$68 seems awfully low to me. I know we're in a bit of a slump car-value wise but doesn't this seem unusual? I would have thought eBay would bring some serious bidders for a car like this.
Quote from: BigBlockSam on May 17, 2012, 07:32:36 PM
QuoteI like seeing these cars being ( outside the ring ) and being used as a day two ( street machine )
me too :cheers:
:iagree:, groom to reliable and repaint with limited disassembly, drive and have fun (2-15k).
:Twocents:
Fairly close to my bothered number of 60... :drool5: :rotz:
Does the dataplate normally have rivits? I thought they all were fastened with phillips screws?
Quote from: 70 Charger RT on June 18, 2012, 08:39:48 AM
Does the dataplate normally have rivits? I thought they all were fastened with phillips screws?
not correct , but the way they disappear i dont blame him for doing it
A buddy of mine past on this car.. Believe the owner wants a solid $120K or so...........
I love yellow, but "taxicab yellow" isn't working for me. :lol:
Although I still wouldn't object to owning it. :D
Thought it looked familiar, it's on "bring a trailer.com" with many replies about it..
Quote from: Old Moparz on June 18, 2012, 09:26:28 AM
I love yellow, but "taxicab yellow" isn't working for me. :lol:
Although I still wouldn't object to owning it. :D
Ha, you and me both Bob ;D :yesnod:
The missing corner trim on the rear window is a bit bothersome.. nothing some tin foil and an oragami expert couldn't handle ... :D
Does anyone know what happened with this car??
It's still for sale, owner has lowered the price.
Quote from: hergfest on June 27, 2012, 12:16:58 AM
It's still for sale, owner has lowered the price.
Yeap, owner called my Buddy.... Who knows, maybe I'll be helping restore this thing... I'll have to get over the envy briefly being that it's a 4-speed.. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 27, 2012, 07:15:38 AM
Quote from: hergfest on June 27, 2012, 12:16:58 AM
It's still for sale, owner has lowered the price.
Yeap, owner called my Buddy.... Who knows, maybe I'll be helping restore this thing... I'll have to get over the envy briefly being that it's a 4-speed.. :icon_smile_big:
buy it troy you could have matching yellow aero cars
Quote from: moparstuart on June 27, 2012, 08:44:21 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 27, 2012, 07:15:38 AM
Quote from: hergfest on June 27, 2012, 12:16:58 AM
It's still for sale, owner has lowered the price.
Yeap, owner called my Buddy.... Who knows, maybe I'll be helping restore this thing... I'll have to get over the envy briefly being that it's a 4-speed.. :icon_smile_big:
buy it troy you could have matching yellow aero cars
Hell, I can't even sell the nice Daytona I have in order to get the Y2
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 27, 2012, 09:04:16 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on June 27, 2012, 08:44:21 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 27, 2012, 07:15:38 AM
Quote from: hergfest on June 27, 2012, 12:16:58 AM
It's still for sale, owner has lowered the price.
Yeap, owner called my Buddy.... Who knows, maybe I'll be helping restore this thing... I'll have to get over the envy briefly being that it's a 4-speed.. :icon_smile_big:
buy it troy you could have matching yellow aero cars
Hell, I can't even sell the nice Daytona I have in order to get the Y2
I hear ya !!!!!
Troy, You have a very nice car. I think that you should convert your car to a 4 speed and just save all of the auto stuff to go with the car if you ever sell it. In the long run it will be much cheaper than selling your nice car and taking the risk of buying a 4 speed car that may have issues. I don't think that it would affect the value of the car that much since it can be easily reversed.
If your car is the one that has the GV, you can buy the GV tail housing for a 4 speed.
Quote from: hotrod98 on June 27, 2012, 10:00:44 AM
Troy, You have a very nice car. I think that you should convert your car to a 4 speed and just save all of the auto stuff to go with the car if you ever sell it. In the long run it will be much cheaper than selling your nice car and taking the risk of buying a 4 speed car that may have issues. I don't think that it would affect the value of the car that much since it can be easily reversed.
If your car is the one that has the GV, you can buy the GV tail housing for a 4 speed.
Or just put the 5 or 6 speed tremec in it , less convertion . Dont need a tranny hump and just one hole for the shifter , Still uses your automatic console just get the 4 speed shifter plate . :yesnod: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: moparstuart on June 27, 2012, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: hotrod98 on June 27, 2012, 10:00:44 AM
Troy, You have a very nice car. I think that you should convert your car to a 4 speed and just save all of the auto stuff to go with the car if you ever sell it. In the long run it will be much cheaper than selling your nice car and taking the risk of buying a 4 speed car that may have issues. I don't think that it would affect the value of the car that much since it can be easily reversed.
If your car is the one that has the GV, you can buy the GV tail housing for a 4 speed.
Or just put the 5 or 6 speed tremec in it , less convertion . Dont need a tranny hump and just one hole for the shifter , Still uses your automatic console just get the 4 speed shifter plate . :yesnod: :icon_smile_big:
As Silly or anal as it might be, if I was ever to convert the Daytona to a 4-speed (which I doubt I would ever do), I would want the true console and hump... I would get an overdrive.. but, that 4-speed fix will, more than likely, come from my 500......
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 27, 2012, 12:02:03 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on June 27, 2012, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: hotrod98 on June 27, 2012, 10:00:44 AM
Troy, You have a very nice car. I think that you should convert your car to a 4 speed and just save all of the auto stuff to go with the car if you ever sell it. In the long run it will be much cheaper than selling your nice car and taking the risk of buying a 4 speed car that may have issues. I don't think that it would affect the value of the car that much since it can be easily reversed.
If your car is the one that has the GV, you can buy the GV tail housing for a 4 speed.
Or just put the 5 or 6 speed tremec in it , less convertion . Dont need a tranny hump and just one hole for the shifter , Still uses your automatic console just get the 4 speed shifter plate . :yesnod: :icon_smile_big:
As Silly or anal as it might be, if I was ever to convert the Daytona to a 4-speed (which I doubt I would ever do), I would want the true console and hump... I would get an overdrive.. but, that 4-speed fix will, more than likely, come from my 500......
here you go troy everything you will need :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: on the cheap
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOPAR-1968-70-ROAD-RUNNER-CHARGER-4-SPEED-PISTOL-GRIP-CONVERSON-KIT-383-440-/310410426142?hash=item4845e7371e&item=310410426142&pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr#ht_2689wt_1156
Quote from: moparstuart on June 28, 2012, 11:44:06 AM
here you go troy everything you will need :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: on the cheap
Well,, as it turns out, I already have everything for a '69 console conversion.. I would just need to have my 4-speed gearbox serviced. The only thing I'm lacking is the 4speed top plate and driver's side molding. But, that is a good package there.....
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 28, 2012, 12:01:20 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on June 28, 2012, 11:44:06 AM
here you go troy everything you will need :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: on the cheap
Well,, as it turns out, I already have everything for a '69 console conversion.. I would just need to have my 4-speed gearbox serviced. The only thing I'm lacking is the 4speed top plate and driver's side molding. But, that is a good package there.....
i need the drivers side molding for my console also , hard to find piece
Well my offer on this Daytona is in and solid but I am still not part of the group (Daytona owners group that is). Maybe soon. Who knows. The owner of this car is doing what everyone would do, try to get the most out of it. But I like many these days won't overpay. Maybe a little luck will come my way!
Did this one find a new owner?
Dave
Not yet. Owner is having a hard time parting with it for what it is worth today.
Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on July 15, 2012, 04:09:20 PM
Did this one find a new owner?
Dave
Nope, my Buddy got a call from her a couple of days ago stating it was still available...
Ok, well time to let "THE CAT" out of the bag ( just reading the Steve Roper comic post, thought it was appropriate) :icon_smile_big:
I am now the very proud owner of this Daytona.
Sorry to disappoint those that were also vying for it.
I didn't think in a million years I would end up with a Daytona, always thought it would be a Superbird.
But it's been a looong time looking, that's for sure.
And let me tell you it was no easy task to get.
I am genuinely surprised the deal went through- there were lots of obstacles.
And be sure I'll have questions and querys along the way.
Hoping to learn more, make new acquaintances, and share anything new I can with the group.
Speaking of which I will be starting a new post in the next few days with some very cool docs found in the car.
No telling for those who were privvy - you know who you are .. :D
Will give everyone the low-down in the new post :2thumbs:
Congrats to you. You'll enjoy the experience.
I cant wait to follow the threads progress and any future threads!
Awesome! So you have it home now?
I can't wait to hear all the details :2thumbs:
Dave
It is with a "caretaker" now, I'll share the details in the new post. ;)
Sweet!! :2thumbs:
:cheers: Congrats way to go.Heres whats on the ship list 400569 344 King Dodge Inc Portland 8/29/1969
Quote from: nascarxx29 on September 05, 2012, 11:30:10 AM
:cheers: Congrats way to go.Heres whats on the ship list 400569 344 King Dodge Inc Portland 8/29/1969
Appreciate it. Thanks for the info.
Makes sense . Looks like it was an Oregon car it's whole life ( until about a week ago :icon_smile_big: )
Will have to see if that dealership still exists.
King Dodge closed in 1970
http://maxwedge.com/dealerships/index.php Search Oregon
Thanks.
Just searched that address, I see that it is a Salvation Army now...
Not a long-lived dealership if earliest verified date was 69- and closed is 70 .
Must have had a fleet of Daytonas and Superbirds on the lot... :smilielol:
NIce score congrats :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparstuart on September 05, 2012, 02:49:52 PM
NIce score congrats :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Thank you sir.
:icon_smile_wink:
AHHH! I guess I can stop waiting by the phone now. I guess it isn't my time to join the aerozone. I thought it was fate when an all original yellow 4 speed Daytona not more than 200 miles from my place cropped up.
I was $5k off their bottom line. I just couldn't do it! I shoulda done it!!
Congrats to you Winginit. I think you got yourself a real gem there.
Quote from: WINGIN IT on May 14, 2012, 11:27:43 AM
He said his reserve was less than the BIN price.
So what are you guys thinking of as far as as a price? $100K?
If it is indeed number's matching and the body is in good shape,and is a nice driver, I can't see it going for much less. 4 speed and disc brakes are a big plus, (not to mention those painted to match vector rims :D )
That Y2 automatic a while back needed more work and I believe that one got bid in the 80s.
This is an awesome car, see it most every day, lol.......
I hope we can get some pictures soon.
WINGIN IT, Is this your introduction into a wing car? You'll LOVE and HATE the attention while driving around minding you own buisness. :dance: Just be on guard for the lookies who stop paying attention and begin migrating into your lane of travel. :mcride:
Quote from: WINGIN IT on September 05, 2012, 10:35:49 AM
It is with a "caretaker" now, I'll share the details in the new post. ;)
How's the body? Couldn't tell much from the bad photos. My Buddy tried to get them to send more pictures, but it was like pulling teeth (don't think he ever did get more pictures). From my eye, it looked rather straight. I noticed the rear valance seam to quarter appeared to be original and not "filled" in, usually an indication of body work being done back there...
Congrat's on the car, a 4-speed car is awesome.........
The newest AB !!! :nana:
Quote from: DPL on September 05, 2012, 08:29:32 PM
AHHH! I guess I can stop waiting by the phone now. I guess it isn't my time to join the aerozone. I thought it was fate when an all original yellow 4 speed Daytona not more than 200 miles from my place cropped up.
I was $5k off their bottom line. I just couldn't do it! I shoulda done it!!
Congrats to you Winginit. I think you got yourself a real gem there.
Seems like that is always the case. Even though a few hundred/thousand dollars more now seems like the end of the world. Then in 5 years we say dammnn should have bought it cause its tripple the price now.
Congratulations! Good luck with it and looking forward to the new thread ;D
Quote from: DPL on September 05, 2012, 08:29:32 PM
AHHH! I guess I can stop waiting by the phone now. I guess it isn't my time to join the aerozone. I thought it was fate when an all original yellow 4 speed Daytona not more than 200 miles from my place cropped up.
I was $5k off their bottom line. I just couldn't do it! I shoulda done it!!
Congrats to you Winginit. I think you got yourself a real gem there.
DPL I was waiting for you to post. Feel bad, as I know you were in the running too.
Didn't think this deal would go through, lots of hurdles to overcome.
Quote from: FJ5WING on September 05, 2012, 10:11:46 PM
I hope we can get some pictures soon.
WINGIN IT, Is this your introduction into a wing car? You'll LOVE and HATE the attention while driving around minding you own buisness. :dance: Just be on guard for the lookies who stop paying attention and begin migrating into your lane of travel. :mcride:
Ha, yes, first winged thing.
Be an interesting experience for sure- can't wait !
Yes will definitely be on the look out for migrating lookie-lou's.
:yesnod:
I'll find out more about the body when it gets stripped for new paint ( going back to Y2 from the current taxi-cab yellow).
But it is a very solid car. Had some PS quarter work done, and shall we say liberties taken in the nose to let in more fresh air. Floors are real nice, factory undercoated car . Obviously had some hot roddin' done throughout the years given the paint job, rims, chrome in the engine compartment etc.
Going to try to keep the resto to a minimum. I want a nice driver not a trailer queen.
I haven't downloaded the pics and video yet , but I do have a very interesting document to share and will post shortly.
Quote from: WINGIN IT on September 06, 2012, 08:52:18 AM
I'll find out more about the body when it gets stripped for new paint ( going back to Y2 from the current taxi-cab yellow).
But it is a very solid car. Had some PS quarter work done, and shall we say liberties taken in the nose to let in more fresh air. Floors are real nice, factory undercoated car . Obviously had some hot roddin' done throughout the years given the paint job, rims, chrome in the engine compartment etc.
Going to try to keep the resto to a minimum. I want a nice driver not a trailer queen.
I haven't downloaded the pics and video yet , but I do have a very interesting document to share and will post shortly.
Sounds like a plan, and a good one from a stress and get-her-back-on-the-road point of view.. When the day ever comes to repaint mine, it'll be exterior only. I'm not messing with the undercoating. I'm extremely lucky in that no panels will ever need to be replaced or repaired, so the repaint will be a pretty straight forward process.....
I remember the day that I drove my bird into my garage for the first time. I just couldn't believe that I finally owned a wing car. Congratulations on finally putting a deal together. I know you had missed out on a couple of wingcars in the past.
when I pull my car into the garage the next time its gonna seem like the first time! I havent pulled it into the garage since 2002. :sleep:
IT SITS OUTSIDE! :eek2: :flame: :flame:
Quote from: GOTWING on September 07, 2012, 05:49:11 AM
IT SITS OUTSIDE! :eek2: :flame: :flame:
no its not outside ;)....Thats the last time I drove the car, Thats when the bearings crapped out and the car sat until 4/09. Then I had it hauled to the first body shop where after 15 months and about 8 invoiced hours I pulled it and handed it to a local upstart restoration shop. Right now I wont accuse them of being speedy thats for sure!!!!!! but the work in amazing and top shelf. there are some issues with holding onto a timeline because they cant leave the quick turn small jobs alone while they work on whats already on the plate. :flame:
The RR that sits in the priority line before my Bird is a turn key restoration and that seems to be gumming up the works. :pullinghair:
Quote from: hotrod98 on September 06, 2012, 07:52:14 PM
I remember the day that I drove my bird into my garage for the first time. I just couldn't believe that I finally owned a wing car. Congratulations on finally putting a deal together. I know you had missed out on a couple of wingcars in the past.
Thanks Larry. Been a long time comin'. Still sinking in really.
Showed the pics to my 9 year old daughter, she really like it.
I know it's in good hands :D
You and your crew really impressed me, not to mention your hospitality.
Must say I am jeleous of your layout. Something out of my dreams :lol:
I love this pic of the previous owner's Dad who had the car since '71 .
Just noticed, I don't see the "Daytona" lettering in the stripe at this point in it's life.
It has it now.
I love the color combo :2thumbs: congrats!
I assume Larry is doing the work? If so I know you will be very happy with the finished product! :2thumbs:
It's a lot more yellow than you think.
Yes, Larry is doing the work on it, and I am sure it will be nothing short of spectacular ( no pressure Larry :icon_smile_big: )
Here is the car during it's "Pre-flight" inspection ... :lol:
Soooooo, what are ya doin with those rims :D
Quote from: GOTWING on September 10, 2012, 11:08:24 AM
Soooooo, what are ya doin with those rims :D
i hope putting them in the dumpster :eek2: :smilielol: :D
I dont know the location of many members yet so forgive me.
did the Daytona go from previous owner to the Larry's shop? Arent you planning on ripping around it for awhile before starting in on your snowball?
Whats a snowball you ask?
thats where it all started with a wounded motor. This was eight years ago two years after I hurt it
(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL419/1016826/9187982/128272712.jpg)
closer to paint than this but not in final primer yet.
(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL419/1016826/21692381/394708695.jpg) maybe a little further along closer to paint.
Quote from: GOTWING on September 10, 2012, 11:08:24 AM
Soooooo, what are ya doin with those rims :D
Haven't decided yet. Thinking of repainting the yellow sections in a black , and see how that looks.
I will likely go with redline radials and chrome magnum 500s. Always wanted a car with those, and here is my opportunity. The car originally came with 14" Road wheels ( with trim ring) and red sidewalls .
So it will be fairly close to the factory look.
You interested in them?
Quote from: FJ5WING on September 10, 2012, 01:11:49 PM
I dont know the location of many members yet so forgive me.
did the Daytona go from previous owner to the Larry's shop? Arent you planning on ripping around it for awhile before starting in on your snowball?
Oh I know what you mean by snowball.
Yes the the car went from prev. owner to Larry's .
It just made sense for a number of reasons:
Season's ending here soon, ( northeast), need to make room, so I have time , I wanted Larry to do the car, so why go east then back west , ( waste of dollars that can be spent improving the car). I could go on but you get the idea.
Cool car Too much yellow for my taste. To me, yellow should be an accent color, not the primry. Unfortunately, mines yellow. No, its not a wing car, unfortunately. Orange is the way to go.
Quote from: WINGIN IT on September 10, 2012, 03:25:58 PM
Quote from: FJ5WING on September 10, 2012, 01:11:49 PM
I dont know the location of many members yet so forgive me.
did the Daytona go from previous owner to the Larry's shop? Arent you planning on ripping around it for awhile before starting in on your snowball?
Oh I know what you mean by snowball.
Yes the the car went from prev. owner to Larry's .
It just made sense for a number of reasons:
Season's ending here soon, ( northeast), need to make room, so I have time , I wanted Larry to do the car, so why go east then back west , ( waste of dollars that can be spent improving the car). I could go on but you get the idea.
oh so your all the way in the north east , I think i need to drive about 3 hours south and exercise the car for you :smilielol: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Yeah, the yellow Vectors are just nasty. The rest of the car looks fabulous though!
Quote from: WINGIN IT on September 10, 2012, 03:20:14 PM
Quote from: GOTWING on September 10, 2012, 11:08:24 AM
Soooooo, what are ya doin with those rims :D
Haven't decided yet. Thinking of repainting the yellow sections in a black , and see how that looks.
I will likely go with redline radials and chrome magnum 500s. Always wanted a car with those, and here is my opportunity. The car originally came with 14" Road wheels ( with trim ring) and red sidewalls .
So it will be fairly close to the factory look.
You interested in them?
here you go your car reminds me of the Bill Board Daytona , and here you go normal vectors so you can see what it will look like
You know, I just don't like Vectors on anything. It's one of the things on the GL that turn me off on them too. That and the push bar.
Vectors are 10 spokes. Any more than that and they're called turbines. Think jet engine. :icon_smile_big:
I agree, they do not look good on any cars, now a custom 70's van that's a different story :yesnod:
Shag carpeting, porthole windows, and psychodelic paint schemes, got to love em. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on September 10, 2012, 09:41:46 PM
Vectors are 10 spokes. Any more than that and they're called turbines. Think jet engine. :icon_smile_big:
I always called them turbine wheels, but no one knew what I was talkin' about, so I just say Vectors now.
Thanks for the pic Stu, gives me a good idea what it would look like for sure.
I think I'll go with the chrome magnums.
I have some 14" Road Wheels I can redo for the factory look, if I wanted to down the road.
Quote from: GOTWING on September 11, 2012, 05:19:10 AM
I agree, they do not look good on any cars, now a custom 70's van that's a different story :yesnod:
You got a van to put 'em on there, Hannibal ? :D
Do you pity the fool who would put them on their car? :smilielol:
i'll take em for free if you pay the shipping! :smilielol:
Quote from: WINGIN IT on September 10, 2012, 10:27:22 AM
It's a lot more yellow than you think.
Yes, Larry is doing the work on it, and I am sure it will be nothing short of spectacular ( no pressure Larry :icon_smile_big: )
Here is the car during it's "Pre-flight" inspection ... :lol:
Larry can paint mine too when that day comes around, if he wants too...........
:Twocents: Looks like 7 daytonas went to Oregon zone.
Oregon based Mark Worman AKA Grayeyard Carz is on this board he might know your car user name is GYC Undertaker moparrevival@yahoo.com
Quote from: nascarxx29 on September 11, 2012, 10:50:32 AM
:Twocents: Looks like 7 daytonas went to Oregon zone.
Oregon based Mark Worman AKA Grayeyard Carz is on this board he might know your car user name is GYC Undertaker moparrevival@yahoo.com
Thanks I'll shoot him an email. Worth a shot.
Quote from: GOTWING on September 11, 2012, 10:42:20 AM
i'll take em for free if you pay the shipping! :smilielol:
You in DE area?
Maybe when I get the car back, I can roll them South for ya .
I'll let you know when they're on their way . :lol:
Larry can paint mine too when that day comes around, if he wants too...........
Troy, does it need a repaint? Always looked nice in the pics and vids.
Quote from: WINGIN IT on September 11, 2012, 12:40:37 PM
Larry can paint mine too when that day comes around, if he wants too...........
Troy, does it need a repaint? Always looked nice in the pics and vids.
Not now.... I just want one day to have a fresh paint job.. It's been a while since I had one.. just little things like small chips in the paint due to road driving and such.. The paint job was done in '94......
Gotcha ;)
Quote from: hemi68charger on September 12, 2012, 05:38:22 AM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on September 11, 2012, 12:40:37 PM
Larry can paint mine too when that day comes around, if he wants too...........
Troy, does it need a repaint? Always looked nice in the pics and vids.
Not now.... I just want one day to have a fresh paint job.. It's been a while since I had one.. just little things like small chips in the paint due to road driving and such.. The paint job was done in '94......
Only way to avoid those pesky rock chips and such is to keep them on the trailor, and that is simply no FUN :cheers:
:yesnod:
Quote from: 41husk on September 12, 2012, 08:55:03 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on September 12, 2012, 05:38:22 AM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on September 11, 2012, 12:40:37 PM
Larry can paint mine too when that day comes around, if he wants too...........
Troy, does it need a repaint? Always looked nice in the pics and vids.
Not now.... I just want one day to have a fresh paint job.. It's been a while since I had one.. just little things like small chips in the paint due to road driving and such.. The paint job was done in '94......
Only way to avoid those pesky rock chips and such is to keep them on the trailor, and that is simply no FUN :cheers:
Agreed :yesnod:
Yeah, I wish the car had been a tad more factory in color, and didn't need some attention, else I would leave the color, and just fix/resto the mechanical stuff.
Guess I'll have to worry about a perfect paint job getting chips and dings.. oh well... :icon_smile_big:
The first couple with bother you, after that they are a drivers badge of honor :cheers:
Quote from: 41husk on September 12, 2012, 08:55:03 AM
Only way to avoid those pesky rock chips and such is to keep them on the trailor, and that is simply no FUN :cheers:
No truer words spoken, but at some time, I'd like to have a "fresh" start.......
Nothing like a nice fresh paint job :Twocents:
Quote from: 41husk on September 12, 2012, 01:22:13 PM
Nothing like a nice fresh paint job :Twocents:
working on that!!! :brickwall: :RantExplode: :violin:
Any updates on this daytona.Ran across this previous ad for it
http://www.classiccar.com/dodge/daytona/1969-dodge-charger-daytona_30378/?viewType=list&back=dodge%2Fdaytona
pssstt dave... the new owner is five posts above yours.
I know wingit landed it .Just wonder if its on the road or being restored
Hi Dave,
The car's at Larry's shop being restored currently.
I'll be posting progress pics and be asking questions I'm sure, along the way.
Thanks for asking.
FYI that link didn't bring me to the ad but the main page. But when I tried to search , I found no Dodge ( or Plymouth or Chrysler for that matter) , in the dropdown box for Makes. Odd... :shruggy:
dave's link worked yesterday, but now it's doing the same thing here.
< edit > the original link that dave posted is back up and running
Same old ad seen before just said guy inherited car from his dad who bought it in 1971 Description
A beautiful '69 Dodge Charger Daytona! I am putting this listing in for my friend Andrew who owns the car. He has owned it since 1987 and inherited it from his Dad who purchased it in 1971.
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/Yellow-Dodge--30378_4.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/Yellow-Dodge--30378_3.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/Yellow-Dodge--30378_1.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/Yellow-Dodge--30378_5.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/Yellow-Dodge--30378_6.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/Yellow-Dodge--30378.jpg)
Should have pulled the seat covers off.
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on September 29, 2012, 01:04:33 PM
Should have pulled the seat covers off.
It's a moo point now. :lol:
Other than small tears in part of the covers which were covered with black tape, they are actually in pretty good shape.
Probably put the seat covers on to protect them from further deterioration.
bump! Winginit promised some interesting news on this car and what he found. I'd love to hear more about this car
Quote from: DPL on October 08, 2012, 09:53:03 AM
bump! Winginit promised some interesting news on this car and what he found. I'd love to hear more about this car
I created a separate post below about the Special order sheet found in the car, when we were looking for the buildsheet. We found the special order sheet under the back seat, and the original buildsheet under the front.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,94853.0.html
It also seems to appear, after Larry's shop was taking down the car for paint, that the car had a vinyl top on it at one point. After a call from the son of the long time owner ( since 71), he thought he recalled the car having a vinyl top on it when he was a kid. He is trying to get some old pics to go along with the history of the car.
Ok an update is a long time coming and it seemed fitting to have a couple of Daytona Resto posts going with the Graveyard Carz .
For those who don't know , the deal was sealed at Larry's Shop - Maniac Muscle Cars - back around Labor Day Weekend.
Since then Larry and crew took little time to get the car stripped down to see what was needed body-wise, overall it has needed little. The bodywork in the PS quarter was minor, Larry found a dent in the trunk lid, the nose had some filler but overall not bad at all. Larry had concerns about the hood, but as usual he did a great job on it .
Below are some pics of progress, because it's worthless without pics, right? :lol:
This may take me a while...
Here she is getting washed down right before stripping.
While I love the 80's look the turbine wheels will go in favor of chrome magnum 500s
There goes the taxi cab yellow color ! :yesnod:
This was the "bad" quarter... ;)
Pic of the aftermarket alarm that was in the car .
Quick story, when I asked the owner if the alarm was still active, he said he had no idea, as it never went off. Sure enough when I had the car inspected the inspector pulls up and the alarm is screaming ! The owner didn't know how to disable it so the inspector tells the owner... see that wire... CUT IT.. :lol:
Ahhh.. and a nice coat of primer... now that's better.. ;)
More..
:2thumbs:
Dent in the trunk lid...
The nose had some "custom" fresh air work done to it, but Larry did a fantastic job of getting back to factory specs.
front of nose
:yesnod:
Granted I didn't post every pic of what Larry's done so far , but I'm very pleased to say the least.
I can post more eye candy now as things progress ( provided Larry keeps sending me pictures , :D )
The car will not be a trailer queen, it will restored to be a great lookin' reliable driver, that's the goal.
With that don't expect a concourse resto. The idea was to keep what we could original if possible.
Regardless, ALL the parts will be saved.
With any luck she'll be drivin' come warm weather up in here in the Northeast. :2thumbs:
Here's quick video of pulling the Special Order Sheet and Traveler's Sheet from the back seat floor.
We though it was the buildsheet at first, but it was too long. That's because the Special Order Sheet was taped to the Traveler's sheet.
We found the buildsheet ( actually TWO buildsheets) under the front PS carpet tucked next to the console. The other sheet was for a 4 door Valiant I think - stuck to the Daytona sheet :icon_smile_big:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm-Jj125Tmo
Glad to hear your making some progress. Keep it up :cheers:
Quote from: WINGIN IT on February 05, 2013, 04:20:32 PM
Here's quick video of pulling the Special Order Sheet and Traveler's Sheet from the back seat floor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm-Jj125Tmo
dammit !!!! grrr !!!
""This video is private.
If the owner of this video has granted you access, please log in.""
Very cool! Keep the pictures coming. :2thumbs:
Looks great! keep the pics coming! :2thumbs:
Boy that is really sharp! I am a bit jealous that yours has way more originality than mine. However, it would be fun to pull into a cruise night at the same time if it is possible. We can watch everybody walk away from the camaros and mustangs to see ours! :lol:
Quote from: Xenon on February 05, 2013, 07:59:04 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on February 05, 2013, 04:20:32 PM
Here's quick video of pulling the Special Order Sheet and Traveler's Sheet from the back seat floor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm-Jj125Tmo
dammit !!!! grrr !!!
""This video is private.
If the owner of this video has granted you access, please log in.""
Wooops , sorry about that , should be viewable now... ;)
Quote from: r4daytona on February 06, 2013, 08:15:53 AM
Boy that is really sharp! I am a bit jealous that yours has way more originality than mine. However, it would be fun to pull into a cruise night at the same time if it is possible. We can watch everybody walk away from the camaros and mustangs to see ours! :lol:
The undercoating definitely did it's job to keep the underside protected.
A caring family that kept it garaged doesn't hurt either :2thumbs:
Yes, will look forward to having the cars appear together when both are back home :2thumbs:
It sure is a solid car, keep the pics and updates coming. I am really happy for you. What a great car :2thumbs:
Dave
Looks awesome.
Here's a perty little item going on the car, thanks to board member Bill ( sorry Bill forgot your screen name - feel free to reply) . :2thumbs:
It replacing the incorrect and not properly functioning carb that was on the car.
:o nice !! awesome stuff , keep the pictures coming !!!!!! :drool5: :drool5: :popcrn: :cheers:
Congrats on the progress!
Love following the wing resto threads. :2thumbs:
Quote from: WINGIN IT on February 07, 2013, 02:19:11 PM
Here's a perty little item going on the car, thanks to board member Bill ( sorry Bill forgot your screen name - feel free to reply) . :2thumbs:
It replacing the incorrect and not properly functioning carb that was on the car.
That would be me !! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 62 Max on February 11, 2013, 08:40:37 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on February 07, 2013, 02:19:11 PM
Here's a perty little item going on the car, thanks to board member Bill ( sorry Bill forgot your screen name - feel free to reply) . :2thumbs:
It replacing the incorrect and not properly functioning carb that was on the car.
That would be me !! :icon_smile_big:
Thanks Bill, can't wait to get her installed and the car running :2thumbs:
More shiny bits.
Bumper straightened and rechromed :icon_smile_big:
Bumper PS :icon_smile_big:
Final prime - DS :yesnod:
PS .. :icon_smile_big:
Looks good :2thumbs: Are you planning on going back to yeller or are you changing your color?
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on February 15, 2013, 12:17:01 PM
Looks good :2thumbs: Are you planning on going back to yeller or are you changing your color?
If it wasn't a number's matching car with docs, I would change it, but alas, I don't have the guts to :lol:
It's going back to Y2 but will add some custom (and easily reversible) touches ;)
Quote from: WINGIN IT on February 15, 2013, 03:44:51 PM
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on February 15, 2013, 12:17:01 PM
Looks good :2thumbs: Are you planning on going back to yeller or are you changing your color?
If it wasn't a number's matching car with docs, I would change it, but alas, I don't have the guts to :lol:
It's going back to Y2 but will add some custom (and easily reversible) touches ;)
looking good !! Y2 :drool5: :drool5: :popcrn:
Nice work.
Quote from: WINGIN IT on February 15, 2013, 03:44:51 PM
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on February 15, 2013, 12:17:01 PM
Looks good :2thumbs: Are you planning on going back to yeller or are you changing your color?
If it wasn't a number's matching car with docs, I would change it, but alas, I don't have the guts to :lol:
It's going back to Y2 but will add some custom (and easily reversible) touches ;)
Keep it yellow, put a meter in it and start your own cab company.
Quote from: johnnyseville on February 15, 2013, 09:24:20 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on February 15, 2013, 03:44:51 PM
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on February 15, 2013, 12:17:01 PM
Looks good :2thumbs: Are you planning on going back to yeller or are you changing your color?
If it wasn't a number's matching car with docs, I would change it, but alas, I don't have the guts to :lol:
It's going back to Y2 but will add some custom (and easily reversible) touches ;)
Keep it yellow, put a meter in it and start your own cab company.
Ha , yeah, it'll be the coolest cash cab around ... :lol:
We be jammin ! ;D
:icon_smile_big:
Pics got a bit grainy after compressing them, but you get the general idea.
We have color :yesnod:
Hood
trunk lid
trunk .
Heck of a lot better then the blackened out mess that Larry and crew had to start with!
Sweet !!!! :2thumbs:
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: Nice job Mr Roper
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :popcrn:
Quote from: WINGIN IT on March 20, 2013, 12:16:14 PM
Hood
On a Daytona hood when they use a 70 Charger hood how do they make the front edge straight ?
Do you cut the point off or add a piece to square it up ?
Quote from: 70 sublime on March 20, 2013, 01:28:28 PM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on March 20, 2013, 12:16:14 PM
Hood
On a Daytona hood when they use a 70 Charger hood how do they make the front edge straight ?
Do you cut the point off or add a piece to square it up ?
The hood is left with its original profile at the front edge and on its exterior skin/surface. The only difference between an original Daytona hood and a '70 Charger hood is the absence of stiffening ribs near the hood latch location on a Daytona version.
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48725.0;attach=72426)
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48725.0;attach=85752)
Thanks
Had a couple guys here today looking at buying my 69 Charger to make a Daytona clone and they were debating if the front of the 70 hood was original shape or straightened out
Woo hoo, more color ! :boogie:
:ricky:
Think Larry said he shot the previous pic with his camera phone so the quality isn't as good and looks darker.
I have no doubt that the color is dead on in person :yesnod:
Quote from: WINGIN IT on March 20, 2013, 12:17:20 PM
trunk lid
Man you have gotten after it these months. It is looking nice back in Y2
Quote from: WINGIN IT on April 11, 2013, 11:33:37 AM
:ricky:
Think Larry said he shot the previous pic with his camera phone so the quality isn't as good and looks darker.
I have no doubt that the color is dead on in person :yesnod:
:o :dance: looks awesome :drool5: .................. :popcrn:
it would be done by now if larry wasnt off riding ATV's :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :nana:
Quote from: moparstuart on April 11, 2013, 02:23:27 PM
it would be done by now if larry wasnt off riding ATV's :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :nana:
do we need to talk about yer tranny?
Quote from: A383Wing on April 11, 2013, 04:07:08 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 11, 2013, 02:23:27 PM
it would be done by now if larry wasnt off riding ATV's :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :nana:
do we need to talk about yer tranny?
i still dont have all the correct parts yet , moral never be one of the first people to do it .
Especially if your not an engineer . :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: moparstuart on April 11, 2013, 02:23:27 PM
it would be done by now if larry wasnt off riding ATV's :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :nana:
Wow, and not even giving Larry a chance to defend himself :icon_smile_big:
Don't have the parts ay Stu? Excuses, excuses... :D
Actually Larry has been making great progress, I think whacky weather, and some "procrastination" by the owner have delayed things a little :D, but I'll just blame it on a lack of parts like Stu does :lol:
Quote from: WINGIN IT on April 11, 2013, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on April 11, 2013, 02:23:27 PM
it would be done by now if larry wasnt off riding ATV's :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :nana:
Wow, and not even giving Larry a chance to defend himself :icon_smile_big:
Don't have the parts ay Stu? Excuses, excuses... :D
Actually Larry has been making great progress, I think whacky weather, and some "procrastination" by the owner have delayed things a little :D, but I'll just blame it on a lack of parts like Stu does :lol:
parts are being fabbed and its kind of been a guessing game on my throw out bearing and how far out it need to throw
I should have just gone with the proven thing and gone the 5 speed where you just order the kit , the 6 speed is unknown territory . Oh and i'm in poor heath and doing it on my home garage floor
Stu, that just makes you the innovator. :2thumbs: Or, the Guinea pig :lol:
Joe's car is now on the lift. Engine's going back in and then we will place the car on skates. We plan to wet sand and buff on Monday and start reassembly after that. We still have to paint the nose, scoops, valance and wing. Won't be long now. This color is really growing on all of us here at the shop. It really looks great out in the sunlight. I was never a big fan of Y2 but I've decided that it really is a beautiful color.
very nice mr larry :yesnod:
Looking good Larry!!
Lookin perty :2thumbs:
The absolute hardest part about doing this car is the fact that it's not a full resto. The car was so solid and rust free that it didn't need to go on the rotisserie. This makes repainting a nightmare since you still have to protect the interior, etc. Underneath, all it needed was a little detailing. Joe decided that since we had the engine and k member out to paint the engine bay, we might as well clean up the engine and correct a few things. I'll post a pic of it later.
Other than the time to reinstall the interior had we gone full tilt resto, I think it actually took longer doing a partial resto. Maybe it just seems that way since we're so anxious to see the finished product.
Quote from: hotrod98 on April 11, 2013, 10:54:22 PM
Joe's car is now on the lift. Engine's going back in and then we will place the car on skates. We plan to wet sand and buff on Monday and start reassembly after that. We still have to paint the nose, scoops, valance and wing. Won't be long now. This color is really growing on all of us here at the shop. It really looks great out in the sunlight. I was never a big fan of Y2 but I've decided that it really is a beautiful color.
nice :drool5: :drool5: :'( , looking forward to seeing more pictures & stuff
Quote from: tan top on April 12, 2013, 06:10:21 AM
Quote from: hotrod98 on April 11, 2013, 10:54:22 PM
Joe's car is now on the lift. Engine's going back in and then we will place the car on skates. We plan to wet sand and buff on Monday and start reassembly after that. We still have to paint the nose, scoops, valance and wing. Won't be long now. This color is really growing on all of us here at the shop. It really looks great out in the sunlight. I was never a big fan of Y2 but I've decided that it really is a beautiful color.
nice :drool5: :drool5: :'( , looking forward to seeing more pictures & stuff
Me too ! :icon_smile_big:
I think my favorite pic is this one , the paint looks so slick :yesnod:
it's almost as good as I could do. ;)
Quote from: WINGIN IT on April 12, 2013, 09:27:32 AM
Quote from: tan top on April 12, 2013, 06:10:21 AM
Quote from: hotrod98 on April 11, 2013, 10:54:22 PM
Joe's car is now on the lift. Engine's going back in and then we will place the car on skates. We plan to wet sand and buff on Monday and start reassembly after that. We still have to paint the nose, scoops, valance and wing. Won't be long now. This color is really growing on all of us here at the shop. It really looks great out in the sunlight. I was never a big fan of Y2 but I've decided that it really is a beautiful color.
nice :drool5: :drool5: :'( , looking forward to seeing more pictures & stuff
Me too ! :icon_smile_big:
I think my favorite pic is this one , the paint looks so slick :yesnod:
It's going to be ultra smooth and ultra deep once it's been wet sanded and buffed.
My guys installed the engine today. Looks good with the new rims. The P275's were definitely a good choice for the rear tires. Really fills up the wheel wells.
One more
I believe the crank pulley should be black.
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: yes great choice for wheels and tires :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Very nice!!
Quote from: hotrod98 on April 13, 2013, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: WINGIN IT on April 12, 2013, 09:27:32 AM
Quote from: tan top on April 12, 2013, 06:10:21 AM
Quote from: hotrod98 on April 11, 2013, 10:54:22 PM
Joe's car is now on the lift. Engine's going back in and then we will place the car on skates. We plan to wet sand and buff on Monday and start reassembly after that. We still have to paint the nose, scoops, valance and wing. Won't be long now. This color is really growing on all of us here at the shop. It really looks great out in the sunlight. I was never a big fan of Y2 but I've decided that it really is a beautiful color.
nice :drool5: :drool5: :'( , looking forward to seeing more pictures & stuff
Me too ! :icon_smile_big:
I think my favorite pic is this one , the paint looks so slick :yesnod:
It's going to be ultra smooth and ultra deep once it's been wet sanded and buffed.
My guys installed the engine today. Looks good with the new rims. The P275's were definitely a good choice for the rear tires. Really fills up the wheel wells.
Looks great Larry ! :2thumbs: I'm definitely happy with my wheel/tire choice. :yesnod:
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 13, 2013, 03:57:23 AM
I believe the crank pulley should be black.
It was black at one point. Couldn't remember for sure but I thought the crank pulley was already on when they painted the engines. I have a couple of reference pics that show it orange. The problem is, you never know 100% if the pics are correct.
We keep over a thousand reference pics in the shop computer and as luck would have it, it crashed a couple of weeks ago. I bought a new computer but haven't been able to transfer the pics yet. It's driving us crazy having to look this stuff up as we go along.
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :icon_smile_big:
:drool5:
Dave
I've been away for a while and wanted to see this car!?
Is to done yet?