Wondered how many got rescued.And that are now better then.As they were seen before from the many pages of candidates on carsinbarns wingcar section.And have a happy ending .Or is there still this amount of neglected wingcars rotting away to this day .I know the historys and outcomes of several I posted on there site
http://www.carsinbarns.com/Superbirds%20&%20Daytonas/index.htm
true i have often wondered that , doubt we will ever know really , as more often than not sellers are not going to want to divulge how wrecked their car was ,
don't see any problem really just ads history & whats happend to the car through out its life :yesnod: as long as its not a rebody :RantExplode:
:popcrn:
I think I know where this one is.. If it's a R6 440 4-speed car that is...........
http://www.carsinbarns.com/Superbirds%20&%20Daytonas/pg3.html
Strike that... this one's an SE......... nope.........
You know where an SE R6 red Daytona is Troy? that would be a nice looking ride.
Quote from: 69_500 on October 07, 2008, 04:20:55 PM
You know where an SE R6 red Daytona is Troy? that would be a nice looking ride.
No.. I know where there is a R6 4-speed 440 Daytona, but not one with the SE option like the one posted on the link I put... The R6 standard Daytona 440 4-speed was one of those within my grasp, but not any more.........
T
that se car didnt look bad at all !!!!!!!
One of the 2 superbirds in AZ desert on carsinbarns.Is the one Hemityme is restoring for Joe Ward who passed away
http://www.moparmax.com/features/featurecar/iii_4-firstbase-2.html
What a shame....
we're still neglecting ours :smilielol:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 07, 2008, 06:22:29 PM
One of the 2 superbirds in AZ desert on carsinbarns.Is the one Hemityme is restoring for Joe Ward who passed away
Thanks Dave :2thumbs:
The last 4 birds on pages 30 and 31 are within 2 hours of me :'( seen them many times ..I pulled the cover off the J5 car and the nose cone came off with it.
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People let these just sit and rot-actually thinking they have all the time and TALENT to restore them on their own !
very sad that they are not at least stored inside or under a carport
Quote from: hemi68charger on October 07, 2008, 04:17:30 PM
I think I know where this one is.. If it's a R6 440 4-speed car that is...........
http://www.carsinbarns.com/Superbirds%20&%20Daytonas/pg3.html (http://www.carsinbarns.com/Superbirds%20&%20Daytonas/pg3.html)
Strike that... this one's an SE......... nope.........
That one was here in British Columbia last time I heard of it.
Its been sometime since. I had heard about this white daytona of Tonys mopar parts .But havent heard anything new .Or know if its under restoration done or going to be .Or has been in a magazine.Only just a small mention in magazine article http://www.moparmax.com/features/featurecar/iii_4-firstbase-2.htm.
On another unrelated wingcar story this one got done didnt see it preview in the magazine .Saw it here
http://www.stevenjuliano.com/cars_sbird.htm
DO YOU MEAN THIS ONE?
Quote from: TONY on December 10, 2008, 03:11:38 PM
DO YOU MEAN THIS ONE?
OK guys.......... proverbial question.............. Tony, wanna trade for a '68 Hemi Charger R/T?............. Danny and Geno, you knew I had to ask.......
Troy
Quote from: TONY on December 10, 2008, 03:11:38 PM
DO YOU MEAN THIS ONE?
:wave:
Hi Tony! Welcome to DC.com - and thanks for posting pics of your car. You ought to post the story that goes along with it. Quite the tale from what I hear...
:2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 10, 2008, 03:34:59 PM
Danny and Geno, you knew I had to ask
We'd have wondered if your confuzer was broke again if you didn't!
I mixed up a white daytona .Tony confirmed XX29L9B390018 .New corrected info car is from St Ann Motors St Ann Mo car number #416 on the daytona shiplist
Quote from: TONY on December 10, 2008, 03:11:38 PM
DO YOU MEAN THIS ONE?
Hello & welcome Tony :wave: ....
Quote from: hemigeno on December 10, 2008, 03:48:47 PM
Quote from: TONY on December 10, 2008, 03:11:38 PM
DO YOU MEAN THIS ONE?
:wave:
Hi Tony! Welcome to DC.com - and thanks for posting pics of your car. You ought to post the story that goes along with it. Quite the tale from what I hear...
:2thumbs:
:yesnod:........ :popcrn:
:popcrn:
Quote from: TONY on December 10, 2008, 03:11:38 PM
DO YOU MEAN THIS ONE?
now that is just teasing.....!!!!!!!!!! :shruggy:
We want the story!!! :drool5:
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Shall we place bets on how many emails or PM's TONY has received?
HI
YES MY CAR IS A WHITE AUTO BUT ITS NOT THE ONE ON THAT LIST
MY VIN ENDS IN 390018
BTW, IS THERE ANYWAY THAT I CAN GET A COPY OF THAT LIST??
HERE IS THE CAR STORY
I BOUGHT IT ABOUT 4 YEARS AGO OR SO
IN KENTUCKY ON OR AROUND LATE 1971 IT GOT LIGHTLY DAMAGED WHERE DRIVERS DOOR MEETS THE 1/4 PANEL
THE DOOR WOULDNT CLOSE PROPERLY BECAUSE OF THAT
SO THE THEN OWNER GOT RID OF THE CAR
IT GOT SOLD TO 2 BROTHERS WHO KEPT IT IN A GARAGE SINCE 1972,
THEY ALSO HAD IT ALONG WITH A 69 Z-28 AND A PONTIAC SAFARI WAGON IN THE GARAGE,
THEY HAD TO SELL THE PROPERTY FOR SOME REASON, SOLD THE Z-28 AND THE DAYTONA CHEAP TO SOMEONE,
WHO THEN SOLD THE DAYTONA TO A CUSTOMER/FRIEND OF MINE FOR GOOD AMOUNT OF $$ AT THE TIME,
AND I BOUGHT IT FROM HIM BECAUSE I REALLY LIKED THE COLOR COMBO WHITE/RED WING /RED INT, ITS A 440 AUOT CONSOLE CAR,
VERY ORIGINAL AND COMPLETE, BODY IS VERY SOLID,
THE REAR INTERIOR FLOOR HAS SOME RUST DUE TO A LARGE MOUSE HOUSE LOADED WITH MOUSE TURDS + URINE
IVE BEEN COLLECTING PARTS TO RESTORE IT, AND HOPEFULLY WILL HAVE IT RESTORED SOON
THANKS
TONY
:2thumbs: Thanks TONY!!!
Ok will look up another White /Red car .And scan you the page
Quote from: TONY on December 10, 2008, 05:36:54 PM
HI
YES MY CAR IS A WHITE AUTO BUT ITS NOT THE ONE ON THAT LIST
MY VIN ENDS IN 390018
BTW, IS THERE ANYWAY THAT I CAN GET A COPY OF THAT LIST??
HERE IS THE CAR STORY
I BOUGHT IT ABOUT 4 YEARS AGO OR SO
IN KENTUCKY ON OR AROUND LATE 1971 IT GOT LIGHTLY DAMAGED WHERE DRIVERS DOOR MEETS THE 1/4 PANEL
THE DOOR WOULDNT CLOSE PROPERLY BECAUSE OF THAT
SO THE THEN OWNER GOT RID OF THE CAR
IT GOT SOLD TO 2 BROTHERS WHO KEPT IT IN A GARAGE SINCE 1972,
THEY ALSO HAD IT ALONG WITH A 69 Z-28 AND A PONTIAC SAFARI WAGON IN THE GARAGE,
THEY HAD TO SELL THE PROPERTY FOR SOME REASON, SOLD THE Z-28 AND THE DAYTONA CHEAP TO SOMEONE,
WHO THEN SOLD THE DAYTONA TO A CUSTOMER/FRIEND OF MINE FOR GOOD AMOUNT OF $$ AT THE TIME,
AND I BOUGHT IT FROM HIM BECAUSE I REALLY LIKED THE COLOR COMBO WHITE/RED WING /RED INT, ITS A 440 AUOT CONSOLE CAR,
VERY ORIGINAL AND COMPLETE, BODY IS VERY SOLID,
THE REAR INTERIOR FLOOR HAS SOME RUST DUE TO A LARGE MOUSE HOUSE LOADED WITH MOUSE TURDS + URINE
IVE BEEN COLLECTING PARTS TO RESTORE IT, AND HOPEFULLY WILL HAVE IT RESTORED SOON
THANKS
TONY
intresting story Tony ! thanks for sharing :2thumbs: would love to see more pictures sometime :popcrn:
sorry about the caps in my previous post
bad habit
ask and you shall receive
Here you go as .I have them listed on my paperwork my reference numbers is# 241 for your car. The Daytona shiplist at lower right has it as#416. XX29L9B390018 is from St Ann Motors St Ann Mo.Sorry for the white car mix up .I email you a better copy
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GOD...IT MAKES ME SICK!!!! :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/Tonyspage.jpg) Current daytona ship list contains 501 cars .Here is your page.Car at bottom of page #416
Quote from: TONY on December 10, 2008, 05:55:17 PM
sorry about the caps in my previous post
bad habit
ask and you shall receive
:2thumbs: :cheers: .. :popcrn:
Nice looking find there Tony. Not a very common color combination either. Haven't seen too many white Daytona's with red interior and a red wing. Will look great.
Quote from: 69_500 on October 07, 2008, 04:20:55 PM
You know where an SE R6 red Daytona is Troy? that would be a nice looking ride.
Which car do you mean? The R4 SE on page 3? That is 414665- I bought it in BC years ago. I sold it to a friend here in Ontario.
I had a White Daytona 440-4-speed #410786 - It is in Quebec now with an elephant under the hood.
Quote from: WingCharger on December 10, 2008, 06:26:07 PM
GOD...IT MAKES ME SICK!!!! :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
sorry, im new here and im not sure what you mean
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 10, 2008, 05:58:22 PM
Here you go as .I have them listed on my paperwork my reference numbers is# 241 for your car. The Daytona shiplist at lower right has it as#416. XX29L9B390018 is from St Ann Motors St Ann Mo.Sorry for the white car mix up .I email you a better copy
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i used to know the james lucy car in walkill ny
i bought a 383 71 shaker cuda from the guy about 20 years ago + remember the daytona there
TD - You should sell me that car ;D
Jim B
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/tail.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/indexCAZH1JGO.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/indexCA8866ZR.jpg
Here is Jims old car similar to Tonys
James Lucy- Black Red on Red Daytona I know who has it he isnt selling
A little over done candy but it looks a lot better than when I bought it!
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on October 07, 2008, 11:26:48 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 07, 2008, 06:22:29 PM
One of the 2 superbirds in AZ desert on carsinbarns.Is the one Hemityme is restoring for Joe Ward who passed away
Thanks Dave :2thumbs:
The last 4 birds on pages 30 and 31 are within 2 hours of me :'( seen them many times ..I pulled the cover off the J5 car and the nose cone came off with it.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>THIS CAR IS STILL SITTING THERE???? TO THIS DAY???? BARRY WASHINGTON THE T/A REGISTRY GUY LIVES IN MY TOWN OF KETCHIKAN ALASKA. AND SAYS HE KNOWS WHERE TWO ARE SITTING . ONE IS COVERED IN VINES. HEY THERES ONE HERE TOO BESIDES MINE BURIED IN THE LOCAL DUMP. BACK IN 72 IT HIT A TRUCK AND KILLED THE DRIVER A PREACHER. ANYWAY SAT AT THE LOCAL BONEYARD FOR 6 MONTHS OR SO. I WAS 13 OR 14 AND WE ALL LOOKED AT IT , IT WAS A FIXER BY TODAYS STANDARDS , BUT BACK THEN IT WAS JUNK . IT WAS A 440 +6 4-SPEED BUCKET SEAT ORANGE BLK INTERIOR CAR. I SCAVENGED THE TRANNY OUT OF IT. STILL HAVE IT. THE WING GOT SOLD AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ENGINE.
So its still there? We NEED pics. :popcrn:
Yes we need them :drool5:.I got Barrys email I sent him some documents for his Hamtramck site.Gotta ask about those wings :popcrn:
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That how you found your bird? XS29J?
Tom
Quote from: TONY on December 10, 2008, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: WingCharger on December 10, 2008, 06:26:07 PM
GOD...IT MAKES ME SICK!!!! :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
sorry, im new here and im not sure what you mean
He is VERY young he does not know what he means half the time either. :icon_smile_wink:
The superbird buried in the garage. looks like one those carsinbarns or mapleleaf mopar finds
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 11, 2008, 10:30:10 AM
The superbird buried in the garage looks .Like one those carsinbarns or mapleleaf mopar finds
XS29J lives now just down the road from me and does have a EV2 Superbird. Guessing that is how he found it.
Quote from: Blown70 on December 11, 2008, 10:05:53 AM
Quote from: TONY on December 10, 2008, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: WingCharger on December 10, 2008, 06:26:07 PM
GOD...IT MAKES ME SICK!!!! :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
sorry, im new here and im not sure what you mean
He is VERY young he does not know what he means half the time either. :icon_smile_wink:
I think he mean's seeing rusty Wing cars makes him sick. :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 10, 2008, 04:02:30 PM
I mixed up a white daytona .Tony confirmed XX29L9B390018 .New corrected info car is from St Ann Motors St Ann Mo car number #416 on the daytona shiplist>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
nascar I looked at a daytona up in burlington washington in 1989. my brother and I wentto this guys house and he had a daytona with no nosecone and the holes in the quarters were bondoed over but it had the trunk wing braces and the flush rear window, don't know whatever happened to it . then in 1993 I was driving by a storage facility on hwy 99 in lynwood and there was a thrashed complete daytona sitting behind the fence for 3 days then it was gone???? Always wonder what happens to all these cars. I then had a cuda convert trailered to seattle in 89. well i went to get it on a car hauler and it had 5 yes 5 other cuda converts on it . three were 6pack cars 70 ad 71 cuda rags . they went to jerry Fioritos shop in woodinville . boy what a collection he had. or stil has of all kinds of race cars.
Nascarxx29, I also prefer the sequential VIN layout (it would be interesting to include body color on this layout). On that list of 501 I had seen two doubles (356523 and 386558) and a labeled space (someone must have erased the car info but not number?). I also see that you list 388881 as not on list, is this a known car? BTW how many hemi cars do you have on your list?
I ended up with a few "holes" in the senquences, do you have anything on 355109, 386539 and 410792 (and maybe 423237)?
There are some gaps and inconsistencies theres no exact science when it comes to Chrysler there are Superbirds that exist .That are not listed in the 1920 Nascar List.I have the early version #385 daytona list .And they found more pages.Its at #501.Working from that. Cars I have recorded at shows newsletters archives. And ones from the internet recorded etc.And trying to get them in order.So far we put the 2 daytona shiplist in order by vin on a re writeable CD .To make notes aside certain cars and can sort by vin sequence or by states.As I tried to do in the daytona per state totals.So I will look and see if I have any info on those your asking on.I hand wrote alot of material .And now its getting on the CD.Yes Ive seen same vin car at different dealers just to name a few mistakes like XX29L9B355126 its car#154+#132 same vin going to SC+TN.And old and new newsletters records have color trans and related recorded down inncorectly .Thats why these board discussions sometimes sort out certain details.When the details are given by someome who has a first hand account.
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XX29L9B355109 Appears on this list Apparently.daytonas that went to Nascar Drivers??XX29L9B355109 debuted on dodge chargermopar-heaven .And his story and pictures of XX29L9B355109 this post by mopar-heaven
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,33772.msg367529/topicseen.html#msg367529
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car #221 XX29L9B386539 A4 4 Speed Jeff Phillips who owned a chromed out orange daytona in popular cars mag in the 80s.And a Y2 daytona .Also owned the Dazed and Confused Movie X9 Superbird.Orig B5 now in TX.A4 daytona was at Wheels and spoke with Jerry Junneman. former car museum a purple 70 daytona owner
XX29L9B388881 shows early on in TN a B5 White interior car and nothing else found.XX29J9B356523.Is the gone former Big Willie car and shows on list as car 317 & 364 .Only remains of that car was Randal Mouser in AK had it buildsheet. car #492 XX29_9B386558. remaining 410792 &423237.Your guess is as good as mine Gotta see if there is any dealer info on them but im not seeing it .I know a friends daytona that had no dealer destination .But daytona shiplist showed it as dodge executive garage.Other cars have gone to autoshows lendt to car magazines .That are hard to trace and got excluded from the list .Unless someone on here has a firsthand account
The Jeff Phillips AKA Bullet hole XX29L9B386539 daytona story here by Dougs first hand accounting
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,10890.msg128013/topicseen.html#msg128013
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Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 11, 2008, 04:21:44 PM
car #221 XX29L9B386539 A4 4 Speed Jeff Phillips who owned a chromed out orange daytona in popular cars mag in the 80s.
We sold L386539 to Jeff Phillips in 1977. This was the car with the bullet hole in the drivers door. Jeff restored the car to the orange custom paint job featured in the magazines and installed a Hemi. The special order number may be on the shipments list, but the car had no fender tag and I don't have the number myself. I will scan and post some as found pics later tonight.
A couple nights ago, I ran across the VIN list of all the aero cars that passed through our family. I was surprised to see it was 14 cars. 9 Birds, 3 Daytonas and 2 Cyclones.
Quote from: DougSchellinger on December 11, 2008, 05:05:26 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 11, 2008, 04:21:44 PM
car #221 XX29L9B386539 A4 4 Speed Jeff Phillips who owned a chromed out orange daytona in popular cars mag in the 80s.
We sold L386539 to Jeff Phillips in 1977. This was the car with the bullet hole in the drivers door. Jeff restored the car to the orange custom paint job featured in the magazines and installed a Hemi. The special order number may be on the shipments list, but the car had no fender tag and I don't have the number myself. I will scan and post some as found pics later tonight.
A couple nights ago, I ran across the VIN list of all the aero cars that passed through our family. I was surprised to see it was 14 cars. 9 Birds, 3 Daytonas and 2 Cyclones.
Did your dad lean too favoring birds or where they just more avaliable doug ?
I dont know for sure which way he leaned to .But I get the impression he liked Superbirds before Daytonas.Maybe as Superbirds were easy and in greater numbers. He had them first .And called the early club by this name.My longtime family friend Joe donated me his wingcar memorabilia when he retired and sold his car that he got in 73
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Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 11, 2008, 05:42:20 PM
I dont know for sure which way he leaned to .But I get the impression he liked Superbirds before Daytonas.Maybe as Superbirds were easy and in greater numbers. He had them first .And called the early club by this name.My longtime family friend Joe donated me his wingcar memorabilia when he retired and sold his car that he got in 73
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/buddyJoe.jpg)
very cool
intresting thread Guys ..love reading stuff like this :yesnod: :popcrn: .... how did the Daytona get a bullet hole in the door ??
Seems that your families collection was the opposite of my dad's. He went the way of 5 Daytona's, 2 Superbirds, and 2 500's. Now I add in another 500. But not as high as your families 14. Due to my lack of additions I think.
QuoteDid your dad lean too favoring birds or where they just more avaliable doug ?
I would say it had to do with what cars were available more than anything else.
In the case of the L386539 Daytona, he flew to Detroit to look at the car and drive it back. He had no idea how bad the car really was until he got there. He was leaning towards walking away from it. The car had this (surprise) bullet hole in the door that the owner didn't want to talk about. It had a massive oil leak. Had an old vinyl top removed and they painted over the scaly rust. No back bumper, fun fur covering the back seat, one snow on the right front. The one good thing was the nose, it was perfect.
Well the owner wanted $2600 or something. Dad said no way, and the owner talked him into stopping for lunch at a Pizza Hut. So over lunch, dad tells him again, "I don't think so". This went back and forth several times, and dad really just wanted to walk away. The owner then decided to throw a Hail Mary of "Look, I REALLY have to sell the car", which you could read into as "See large caliber bullet hole in drivers door". So dad offered him $1100 which he took. Dad figured if the rest of the car was junk, the nose was worth that. And he didn't have to worry about how to get back across Detroit to the airport.
Here's a photo from the day it came home.
Here's the front end.
The engine bay gives you a general idea of the overall condition. That's a 383 in there. Today, we'd call this a "solid project". Back then, as a 7 year old car, it was pretty bad.
You can see the A4 silver by the firewall.
The car was bought in the fall of 1977. In January of '78 we delivered it to Jeff Phillips. I took this the morning after we loaded it up. We had to shovel the drive to get dad on his way.
Quote from: moparstuart on December 11, 2008, 05:50:42 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 11, 2008, 05:42:20 PM
I dont know for sure which way he leaned to .But I get the impression he liked Superbirds before Daytonas.Maybe as Superbirds were easy and in greater numbers. He had them first .And called the early club by this name.My longtime family friend Joe donated me his wingcar memorabilia when he retired and sold his car that he got in 73
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/buddyJoe.jpg)
very cool
Our next door neighbor who is now 87 years old did the artwork for those cards. When the name changed to DSAC a couple years later, he just took the scoop off the design.
Quote from: XS29J on December 11, 2008, 04:22:24 AM
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Blown70
Yep... thats it in 1991 in a barn next to the tractor 30,000 miles.
Quote from: Hemi_tyme on October 07, 2008, 11:26:48 PM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on October 07, 2008, 06:22:29 PM
One of the 2 superbirds in AZ desert on carsinbarns.Is the one Hemityme is restoring for Joe Ward who passed away
Thanks Dave :2thumbs:
The last 4 birds on pages 30 and 31 are within 2 hours of me :'( seen them many times ..I pulled the cover off the J5 car and the nose cone came off with it.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/hemityme/MVC-024S.jpg)
I took the pictures of these cars that are on the cars in barns site, he also has cudas,AAR cudas, six bbl and hemi road runners, many chargers including a 70 hemi RT/SE all sitting in a field.
Doug thanks for interesting bullet hole daytona story.If im not mistaken that car later went to NY Tom Myers who also had a real hemi daytona.Owned it.And havent seen it or heard of it again
Every wing car thread turns into a thread about Daytona and Superbird numbers. :lol:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 12, 2008, 12:19:22 AM
Every wing car thread turns into a thread about Daytona and Superbird numbers. :lol:
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It would seem so as its a necessary evil :yesnod:
Were into the number aspects as the longtime handed down accepted 426 hemi daytona numbers is 70.Combo of 48 AT and 22 4 speed with no vins to support that number.The daytona list which doesnt list trans. But has vin info .Has 36 actual vins for 426 daytona.
The longtime accepted given numbers
[Auto 342] [4 speed 161] [Auto 440-4 375 HP 294] [4 Speed 440-4 375 HP 139] [Auto 426-8 425 HP 48] [4 Speed 426-8 425 HP 22] Giving a total of #503
This shows what states did and did not recieve a 69 daytona .Starting with the 440s AL-11 AZ-5 AR-2 CANADA 45 CA-38 CO-12 CON-2 DE-1 FL-16 GA-16 HAWAII-2 ID-1 IL-22 IN-21 IA-3 KAN-7 KEN-5 LOU-7 ME-1 MD-2 MASS-5 MI-26 MINN-3 MISS-1 MO-21 MONT-1 NEB-4 NV-2 NH-2 NJ-6 NY-26 NC-13 NDKT-1 SDKT-4.OH-25 OK-9 ORE-7 PA-23 RI-3 SC-4 TN-5 TX-20 UT-1 VT-1 VA-13 WA ST-7 WA-DC-2 W VA-1 WI-9-The 426 states AZ-1 CANADA-5 CA-7 CO-3 GA-1 IL-1 IN-1 KAN-1 MD-1 MI-2 MO-1 NY-1 NC-1 OH-3 PA-1 SC-1 TX-3 WVA-1 WI-1 .Total #501 465- 440 Hemi-36 for the 47 states 1 line was unreadable unknown state. 2 cars were 440 dodge exec cars with no dealer location in house cars and figured in with the MI total.Only #3 states didnt recieve 69 Daytona on this current list Alaska-New Mexico-Wyoming. But with dealer to dealer trades and factory vin mistakes etc.Cars that were executives or used for show purposes.Or had no dealer info ones issued to nascar drivers as personal cars .This is just a estimate going by the list pages issued
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 11, 2008, 04:21:44 PM
car #221 XX29L9B386539 A4 4 Speed Jeff Phillips who owned a chromed out orange daytona in popular cars mag in the 80s.And a Y2 daytona .Also owned the Dazed and Confused Movie X9 Superbird.Orig B5 now in TX.A4 daytona was at Wheels and spoke with Jerry Junneman. former car museum a purple 70 daytona owner
XX29L9B388881 shows early on in TN a B5 White interior car and nothing else found.XX29J9B356523.Is the gone former Big Willie car and shows on list as car 317 7 364 .Only remains of that car was Randal Mouser in AK had it buildsheet. car #492 XX29_9B386558. remaining 410792 &423237.Your guess is as good as mine Gotta see if there is any dealer info on them but im not seeing it .I know a friends daytona that had no dealer destination .But daytona shiplist showed it as dodge executive garage.Other cars have gone to autoshows lendt to car magazines .That are hard to trace and got excluded from the list .Unless someone on here has a firsthand account
The Jeff Phillips AKA Bullet hole XX29L9B386539 daytona story here by Dougs first hand accounting
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,10890.msg128013/topicseen.html#msg128013
.(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/1969_DAYTONA_HEMI_ORANGE_01.jpg)
Really kind of cool!
KID
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 12, 2008, 08:46:07 PM
Were into the number aspects as the longtime handed down accepted 426 hemi daytona numbers is 70.Combo of 48 AT and 22 4 speed with no vins to support that number.The daytona list which doesnt list trans. But has vin info .Has 36 actual vins for 426 daytona.
That is why I asked since I could only see 36 or so J-codes on that shipping list. I did not think that this could be correct since there must be almost that many accounted for today? Which poses another question; Of the Hemi cars that you know of do any VIN's not match the 36 that are on the shipping list?
I don't know if there are any of the "known" Hemi Daytona's that don't fall on the shipment list. I think the last time I did a count of "known" HEMI Daytona's I think I came up with 26 or 27.
In 1988 there was a compiled list of daytonas from I guess from newsletter archive owner submissions and etc .I dont think that list had 70 hemi daytonas on it at that time .And what new ones could be added today from ones found on the web??That 70 number if a factory handed down myth .Same as the numbers of 69 charger 500 is not etched in stone
This might explain the XX29 daytona vin number shortage .A XS 29 Daytona on factory document .For this survivor daytona XX29L9B356530 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,34131.0.html
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Daytona and 500 Registrations from 1976 wing warrior newsletter.It reads how many of you daytona and chargers 500 owners have the problem of possesing a registration slip showing maybe XS on the paperwork instead of XX.Well if you want to correct this error.Then heres what Mike Mcguire says you have to go through to straighten the matter out.As he had the same problem with his daytona.You write to James H Kilroy chrysler corporation office of civic affairs P.O. Box 1919 Detroit Michigan 48231.Include a copy of the title and picture of the car.And if possible a picture of the serial number on the dash.Or from the engine compartment plate.We recommend you use the dash.As we have seen a case where they even put XS on the engine compartment plate instead of XX as was on the dash.Mr Klilroy will inturn respond with a letter to your state DMV notorized stating he correct serial number.And they will in turn change the registration.Most of these problems were caused by an erroneous statement on the the factory title of origin.And in this case the mistake was made on Mikes Daytona.
It was the case on 69 charger 500-s
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Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 13, 2008, 10:02:30 PM
This might explain the XX29 daytona vin number shortage .A XS 29 Daytona on factory document .For this survivor daytona XX29L9B356530
Except that this car actually DOES show up on the list. Very cool paperwork nascarxx29!
After going thru those pics in the link I see that this car has the earlier dual cooling holes in the rad yoke support and the std 8.75" axle bumper instead of the larger dana unit. It is rather intersting to see that so many dana cars were manufactured with the incorrect bumber. Does anybody have a pic of a Dana-equipped Daytona that was actually BUILT with the larger Dana bumpers.
my daytona had a xs title, + it ended up costing me $10k
the guy i was buying the car from and i agreed on a price, he was nervous that the title read xs instead of xx,
he got ahold of someone in the winged warriors club to ask him about that, even though i told him that the vin flub was ok with me,
the club took the liberty of giving his ph# out and a bidding war started, + i ended up having to pay an addtl $10k more to "win" the car
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 11, 2008, 12:56:38 AM
Yes we need them :drool5:.I got Barrys email I sent him some documents for his Hamtramck site.Gotta ask about those wings :popcrn:
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The car is long buried in the dump. the wing was sold yaers ago . the engine???? I have the tranny.
I'd be digging to find that 'Bird :o
Don't think I haven't thought about digging that car up. but underground here where our rainfall is 200 inches of rain a year , and the car being buried in 1973, don't think theirs much left , but theres hundreds of buried cars along with it . it is capped off with epa approved method and no one can dig around the old dump. drat!!! it will haunt us all forever!!
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 13, 2008, 10:02:30 PM
This might explain the XX29 daytona vin number shortage .A XS 29 Daytona on factory document .For this survivor daytona XX29L9B356530
I don't think I've ever seen an original Daytona's Manufacturer's Statement of Origin that did NOT list XS29 on it. There were a whole lot of cars that had issues with their title not matching the actual VIN of the car for that very reason - I know all of the Daytonas originally titled in Missouri were that way. Unless the owner took the time to fill out the title application differently than the MSO, and provided the proper VIN correction/verification document, my guess is that they all started out with an incorrect title. The XS vs XX can't be the reason there are shortfalls in recorded HemiDaytonas compared to Galen's number, since I'm pretty convinced that every (or nearly every) Daytona had that same MSO quirk.
So far, I have found a couple discrepancies where a known HemiDaytona was recorded on the Shipping List as a 440 car. There are not that terribly many of them that have surfaced or proven to be that way though, not nearly enough for me to say with any degree of certainty that Galen's numbers are correct. Who's to say where those numbers came from... :shruggy:
Quote from: FJMG on December 13, 2008, 10:48:27 PM
It is rather intersting to see that so many dana cars were manufactured with the incorrect bumber. Does anybody have a pic of a Dana-equipped Daytona that was actually BUILT with the larger Dana bumpers.
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So far, every 4-speed Daytona that I have ever seen had the rounded Dana bumpers, and my car originally came that way also. Robert, you and I have kicked around the axle bumper issue before, and I will grant you that an inordinate number of
automatic SuperPerformance Axle Package Daytonas (cars with the 4.10 Dana and a 727) do have the pointed bumper rather than the "correct" rounded one. That may have been just a late '69 phenomenon though, as there are other periods where that is not the case.
It could be that the line worker during that timeperiod did not interpret the engineering drawings correctly, as I know you have seen the factory info that goes against what can be observed on more than a few Daytonas such as the Dressler car. This is just a guess, but the Hamtramck worker responsible for installing the axle bumpers may not have taken the time to sort through which automatic cars had the Dana axle and which didn't. That SHOULD have been the determining factor, and from everything I've seen, they at least put the right bumpers on the 4-speed cars (Hemi and 440, which got the Dana no matter what).
The follow-up question is (especially for a guy in your situation, Robert):
If the factory SHOULD have put the rounded bumpers on 4.10 automatic cars, do you re-assemble it with those, or with the "incorrect" pointed bumpers? Personally, I think a case could be made either way - but I lean towards putting the car back together the way it was originally built if it can be documented.
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Thanks Gene, Of all the 4-spd Daytonas I have seen I Don't have a record of the Bumper (had seen them many years ago). So this issue seems to to revolve around the A32 package on Daytonas then. Well that narrows it down somewhat, interesting. If this seems to be a "late" phenomenom them maybe it was a supplier issue? This could be checked with 70 chargers and the A32 package?
Was looking for my 69 salesman book .But found a 70 charger book page .With the axle codes and definations of Auto and 4 speed axle packages
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/SalesmansPocketGuides/1970/70_Charger_2.jpg
I will check my 4.10 Auto 'Tona and my 4.10 Auto '70 Charger and chime in. I can confirm that I have seen no rhyme nor reason on E-Bodies - They are all over the map.
Weirdly enough, the '70-71 parts book makes things pretty simple in contrast to the Engineering Illustrations. That parts book says 1970 4-speed 440 & 426 B-Bodies get the rounded bumper, and pretty much everything else gets the pointed bumper. E-bodies have a separate part number from the B's for 1970, but for 1971 they used the same part numbers for both B & E-bodies. If I'm not mistaken, I think the difference is in the metal strap that slides through the rubber bumper and fastens it the framerail, and not the rubber itself.
The Engineering Illustrations for both 1969 and 1970 are pretty confusing and still don't seem to match up with what was built - and what was built wasn't always the pillar of consistency either.
Thanks for checking out your cars, Jim - I'll be interested to see what they had.
the '67 Hemi automatic GTX I'm restoring here at work has the rounded ones, too. 3.23 axle.
i need to post pictures of that car... I'm almost done underneath...
Quote from: hemigeno on December 16, 2008, 09:12:07 AM
Weirdly enough, the '70-71 parts book makes things pretty simple in contrast to the Engineering Illustrations. That parts book says 1970 4-speed 440 & 426 B-Bodies get the rounded bumper, and pretty much everything else gets the pointed bumper. E-bodies have a separate part number from the B's for 1970, but for 1971 they used the same part numbers for both B & E-bodies. If I'm not mistaken, I think the difference is in the metal strap that slides through the rubber bumper and fastens it the framerail, and not the rubber itself.
The Engineering Illustrations for both 1969 and 1970 are pretty confusing and still don't seem to match up with what was built - and what was built wasn't always the pillar of consistency either.
Thanks for checking out your cars, Jim - I'll be interested to see what they had.
OK - Here is a partial list of some of my stuff...
69 Hemi 4-Speed RR - Big, rounded (Oct. Build)
69 Hemi 4-Speed GTX - Big, rounded (Oct. Build)
Dana Auto 'Tona - Big, pointed
8-3/4 'Tona - Big Pointed
8-3/4 6BBL SuperBird - Big Pointed
(Getting the Idea I am a Boob man yet???)
70 Dana Auto Hemi Charger - Not here - Can't find my pics - My Resto guy is checking for me
Maybe we should start a new thread on the bumpers :yesnod:
Yes I can see the title now "The bumper thread, no not the CHROME ones the RUBBER ones, no not E-body the axle ones, no not the pinion snubber". Awe shucks I think I should use the part # instead. Better yet maybe someone else should title it.
Let's call it:
Big and Round
or
Big and Pointy
and move it to the "Adult" section!
You guys will like these..........
Wasn't there a guy on fleebay selling the Bird serial # list several years ago?
This one was a mile from my old house. It was a busy street, so I could never get a chance to get pics of it in the SNOW. Yes, all TWO FEET of it. I don't remember where this car went. The owner was a super-putz. He wanted one of every color and never paid more than $4500 for any of 'em. He was also looking for a set of recall wheels for one, because he "thought they were neat". Yep, scored a mint set for like $400 with a want ad in some magazine. I tried to tell him they were 69 only wheels, but he didn't care. He and a few others are why I look at these cars at shows, but shy away from chatting with the owners.
I heard Dick Landy almost bought the car. Not sure if the owner even knew who Dandy Dick was.
Anywhoo, enjoy..............
Steve
Maybe somebody here owns these.........
Taken at the Weedsport Central NY Mopar Club Mopar Madness, near Syracuse, NY in 94 or 95........
Yeah, it's got a Hemi!
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 11, 2008, 11:20:02 AM
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Quote from: WingCharger on December 10, 2008, 06:26:07 PM
GOD...IT MAKES ME SICK!!!! :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
sorry, im new here and im not sure what you mean
He is VERY young he does not know what he means half the time either. :icon_smile_wink:
I think he mean's seeing rusty Wing cars makes him sick. :icon_smile_wink:
CORRECT!! WE HAVE A WINNER!! :D :D
Quote from: WingCharger on December 28, 2008, 09:05:01 PM
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Quote from: WingCharger on December 10, 2008, 06:26:07 PM
GOD...IT MAKES ME SICK!!!! :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
sorry, im new here and im not sure what you mean
He is VERY young he does not know what he means half the time either. :icon_smile_wink:
I think he mean's seeing rusty Wing cars makes him sick. :icon_smile_wink:
CORRECT!! WE HAVE A WINNER!! :D :D
most of them WERE rusty, and our cars still kinda are... I guess I don't have to worry about hauling you around, eh? :lol:
Quote from: quapman on December 27, 2008, 07:41:55 PM
You guys will like these..........
Wasn't there a guy on fleebay selling the Bird serial # list several years ago?
This one was a mile from my old house. It was a busy street, so I could never get a chance to get pics of it in the SNOW. Yes, all TWO FEET of it. I don't remember where this car went. The owner was a super-putz. He wanted one of every color and never paid more than $4500 for any of 'em. He was also looking for a set of recall wheels for one, because he "thought they were neat". Yep, scored a mint set for like $400 with a want ad in some magazine. I tried to tell him they were 69 only wheels, but he didn't care. He and a few others are why I look at these cars at shows, but shy away from chatting with the owners.
I heard Dick Landy almost bought the car. Not sure if the owner even knew who Dandy Dick was.
Anywhoo, enjoy..............
Steve
Can I please use those pics? :2thumbs:
My friend in Nevada seen a black superbird with a hemi in it .And it belonged to Dick Landy
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 29, 2008, 02:42:19 PM
Can I please use those pics? :2thumbs:
I don't see a problem and I appreciate your asking. If you think of it, just credit me with a "Thanks to quapman" or "Thanks to Steve M." or something along those lines. Everybody needs their 15 minutes of fame, right?
Steve :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: quapman on December 29, 2008, 04:03:08 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 29, 2008, 02:42:19 PM
Can I please use those pics? :2thumbs:
I don't see a problem and I appreciate your asking. If you think of it, just credit me with a "Thanks to quapman" or "Thanks to Steve M." or something along those lines. Everybody needs their 15 minutes of fame, right?
Steve :icon_smile_big:
Thanks! Will do!
Quote from: pettybird on December 29, 2008, 12:19:59 AM
Quote from: WingCharger on December 28, 2008, 09:05:01 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 11, 2008, 11:20:02 AM
Quote from: Blown70 on December 11, 2008, 10:05:53 AM
Quote from: TONY on December 10, 2008, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: WingCharger on December 10, 2008, 06:26:07 PM
GOD...IT MAKES ME SICK!!!! :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
sorry, im new here and im not sure what you mean
He is VERY young he does not know what he means half the time either. :icon_smile_wink:
I think he mean's seeing rusty Wing cars makes him sick. :icon_smile_wink:
CORRECT!! WE HAVE A WINNER!! :D :D
most of them WERE rusty, and our cars still kinda are... I guess I don't have to worry about hauling you around, eh? :lol:
I respect small amounts rust. Sort of like proof of use, what the cars were designed for. BUT, when something rare like a wing is rusty, or as bad as some of these cars, you really do feel sick. :2thumbs:
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Quote from: pettybird on December 29, 2008, 12:19:59 AM
Quote from: WingCharger on December 28, 2008, 09:05:01 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 11, 2008, 11:20:02 AM
Quote from: Blown70 on December 11, 2008, 10:05:53 AM
Quote from: TONY on December 10, 2008, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: WingCharger on December 10, 2008, 06:26:07 PM
GOD...IT MAKES ME SICK!!!! :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
sorry, im new here and im not sure what you mean
He is VERY young he does not know what he means half the time either. :icon_smile_wink:
I think he mean's seeing rusty Wing cars makes him sick. :icon_smile_wink:
CORRECT!! WE HAVE A WINNER!! :D :D
most of them WERE rusty, and our cars still kinda are... I guess I don't have to worry about hauling you around, eh? :lol:
I respect small amounts rust. Sort of like proof of use, what the cars were designed for. BUT, when something rare like a wing is rusty, or as bad as some of these cars, you really do feel sick. :2thumbs:
get over it. not everything rare is mint. I'll take my entire life with our rusty cars over a shiny #1 condition hemi car every time.
My cat tried to catch this 'Bird during our annual X-mas parade a couple weeks back.......
Quote from: quapman on December 30, 2008, 07:12:13 PM
My cat tried to catch this 'Bird during our annual X-mas parade a couple weeks back.......
aww cute looking pussy cat :icon_smile_approve:
hmmm petty blue with no vinyl top :scratchchin:
Quoteget over it. not everything rare is mint. I'll take my entire life with our rusty cars over a shiny #1 condition hemi car every time.
:yesnod: yep
Quote from: quapman on December 30, 2008, 07:12:13 PM
My cat tried to catch this 'Bird during our annual X-mas parade a couple weeks back.......
my old cat Puff used to LOVE it when the 'birds were out--she'd camp out on the package tray if we left the windows open.
Quote from: quapman on December 27, 2008, 07:41:55 PM
You guys will like these..........
Wasn't there a guy on fleebay selling the Bird serial # list several years ago?
This one was a mile from my old house. It was a busy street, so I could never get a chance to get pics of it in the SNOW. Yes, all TWO FEET of it. I don't remember where this car went. The owner was a super-putz. He wanted one of every color and never paid more than $4500 for any of 'em. He was also looking for a set of recall wheels for one, because he "thought they were neat". Yep, scored a mint set for like $400 with a want ad in some magazine. I tried to tell him they were 69 only wheels, but he didn't care. He and a few others are why I look at these cars at shows, but shy away from chatting with the owners.
I heard Dick Landy almost bought the car. Not sure if the owner even knew who Dandy Dick was.
Anywhoo, enjoy..............
Steve
Maybe this is Dick Landy superbird you mentioned.It says his charger .But the seam up the nose center and the scoops are superbird
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