(Editor's note: Scam alert!!! After writing all this I feel kinda stupid. I looked at some pics of other 6 pk air cleaners and didn't see anything with a notch in it so I wrote this only to look in the Classic Ind. catalog to see part #MN1013 pictured for a '70-'71 non cold air with a notch in it. It's billed as a "Mopar Authentic Restoration" part. Maybe someone can pull up a pic of it. I'm going to post this anyway to let everyone know that someone out there is "trying" to sell a 6pk w/air air cleaner assembly.)
Ok, here we go. Yes I'm gonna open up that can of worms again! :poke:
Let me say right off the bat I am NOT saying (one way or the other) that this is legit or even possible. I have no knowledge on the subject other than the info I've read here on this forum. I've teased a few of you over on the WPC Swap Meet thread and you're waiting with baited breath to see the pics. Here you go! Maybe you guys have seen this before, if so let me know.
So I'm at the WPC Swap Meet and I missed this the 1st time through. "Just another 6 pk air cleaner, not interested, moving on." The 2nd time through when I have more time and moving more slowly I see this again and notice written on it "Factory A/C" and I believe it said 6 pack under that. Then I notice the notch....
The guy comes over and says "That's a factory made 6 pk with A/C air cleaner." or something like that.
I replied "I thought that wasn't a factory option?"
He agreed and said "It wasn't. Barrett Jackson was trying to say it was recently though."
"Oh you saw that car huh?" I said.
Referring back to the air cleaner he said "But that's factory made, look at it, it's been stamped."
"I see that. Could it have been a dealer offered part?"
"Dunno"
I left it at that, snapped a couple of pics and began to ponder the debate I was about to begin....again!
What did I see? A well done homemade part? Could this cutout be done with basic hand tools or was it professionally done? Or did I find the Holy Grail?
The edges were rounded. There was some rust starting on the edges of the sheet metal and some bubbling at the rounded corner of the notch. This was not a "new, unused" item. It had wear marks from the wing nuts. Just saying. Trying to get as much info out there.
I asked on the other thread if this could have been a part of a dealer optioned kit to add a 6pk to an ac car. I fully agree with the reasons of "why" you don't want to and "it wouldn't be a good idea" of not combining an ac compressor with a 6 pk but could somebody have been producing these somewhere aftermarket? I sure wish I had picked the thing up and looked for a part #. What is it they say about hindsight?
Wish I had more pics and better ones. It was the end of the day, I was tired and the guy was packing up. Sorry they're a little blurry. Dang arthritic hands. I sure will be looking for it next year, if he's there and still has it. Dunno if the $400 price on it was a good price. I guess it is if you have that mystical unicorn that's out there!
***(I now see the new part #MN1013 is $429.99. Yea, the "rare w/air" one should go for a little more then that, haha!)****
Maybe one of you guys will spot it at another swap meet. Anybody know of a Mopar vendor that happens to be in a wheelchair?
***OK, so why does the aftermarket "Authentic Restoration" part for that application have a notch in it?***
Very good write up and I'm glad you took the effort to post this. You already know my feelings *cough*.... fake // *cough again*....bullshit // but this should help get some other folks responding.
The recent B-J auction *damn this cough* ....where the "make believe '70 six pack with air" recently sold makes this is a timely topic. Let's get to the "hard rock bottom" of the issue. I see no reason why the aftermarket is fooling people into believing these reproductions are real. So let's talk, should they be available in the aftermarket? Did I *cough* again? :D Where the hell's that Robitussin? .... :smilielol:
Long as your not holding your crotch while your coughing. :eek2:
I believe now that what I saw was the one that's sold by Classic (and possibly others). Why? So someone can put a 6pk on their otherwise 4bbl w/air car???
I'm guessing the BJ car (a.k.a. Blowj** car) used one of these air cleaners.
Quote from: 71 SE3834V on January 25, 2015, 10:55:12 PM
Long as your not holding your crotch while your coughing. :eek2:
thank God my crotch is fine. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Unless there's proof Chrysler offered this *friggin' cough*....abortion in 1970 // then its nothing more than an aftermarket part.
I love your tenacious "from the "D" attitude. :coolgleamA: You've done some very good field reporting out there, and brought back the proof. Your efforts are worthy of a Michigan wolverine scratching around is some unholy hell loose dirt..... but the product itself nothing but a fake - - in my opinion.
As for anyone trying to pass this off as a legitimate "six-pack with a/c" air cleaner assembly?..... well, you probably already know what I think of that. *cough*.
Here's the "notched" reproduction six pack air cleaner in question. I don't own a six pack car but I still don't think the small cut-out would be enough clear the a/c compressor. I'm hoping somebody else can assist with that.
As far as the actual part is concerned, Classic Industries lists the item as a low profile (non fresh air hood equipped ) air cleaner from Mopar Performance so one might assume like 71 SE3834V said....its an authentic reproduction part.
http://www.classicindustries.com/product/mopar/parts/mn1013.html
Let's assume you have a non fresh air 440-six pack... a 1970 Charger, or even a 1970 'Cuda for example. Why would it need cut indented into the front lower base? Moreover, why would any six pack car need that?
This is something for you guys to discuss. I really don't see a need for this part, and don't think its an actual "reproduction"
If any 440-6 air breather tub originally existed for any AC application, it would show up in one of the parts books.
I do not have copies of all the parts books, so for those of you that do, please take a look & report back.
I will not hold my breath while you look though.
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 25, 2015, 10:59:51 PM
Quote from: 71 SE3834V on January 25, 2015, 10:55:12 PM
Long as your not holding your crotch while your coughing. :eek2:
thank God my crotch is fine. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
.....Your efforts are worthy of a Michigan wolverine scratching around is some unholy hell loose dirt.....
Good to hear about your crotch! I was a little worried.
You know they didn't believe there was really a wolverine here until someone caught one on a game camera! Hehe.
The above "notched" air cleaner came out in the early-'90s as a Mopar Performance "reproduction part". It never existed before that.
(I'll "ASSUME" someone thought there would be more sales potential if they advertised it able to fit with A/C)
Yes, Chrysler Corp. introduced a reproduction part that never existed & did NOT reproduce (at that time) a correct 3x2bbl base. :RantExplode: BRAVO!!
Never existed on a factory produced car.
Defeats the purpose of a 6 pack motor in the height of the muscle car era.
I'll throw my photos of the thing in here too. I think my feelings on the 6 Pack with air are well known but this kind of part only fuels the lie.
Written with marker on the tape ..."factory air style". :icon_smile_dissapprove: Shame on that person. He should have his Mopar card revoked!
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 26, 2015, 09:20:29 AM
Written with marker on the tape ..."factory air style". :icon_smile_dissapprove: Shame on that person. He should have his Mopar card removed!
Can you only imagine how many people walked by and said, "Wow, look at that rare sick pack air cleaner with AC!" :brickwall:
Quote from: 6bblgt on January 26, 2015, 01:56:59 AM
The above "notched" air cleaner came out in the early-'90s as a Mopar Performance "reproduction part". It never existed before that.
(I'll "ASSUME" someone thought there would be more sales potential if they advertised it able to fit with A/C)
Yes, Chrysler Corp. introduced a reproduction part that never existed & did NOT reproduce (at that time) a correct 3x2bbl base. :RantExplode: BRAVO!!
Strange that the guy didn't believe the option was available but technically he was right! It is factory made, just not "THE" factory that was making all the factory produced cars. Still, shame on him.
So the question remains "why the notch?"
The only thing I can come up with is, if it does indeed fit around an ac compressor, then this was made so "Joe 6 pack" (no pun intended, well...a little) could take his 440-4bbl w/air car and slap a 6 pk on it cause "it would look cool".
Quote from: moparnation74 on January 26, 2015, 08:18:24 AM
Never existed on a factory produced car.
Defeats the purpose of a 6 pack motor in the height of the muscle car era.
I think you're looking at it in an opposite way I'm intending. No, the factory wouldn't do this to a muscle car but if they indeed reproduced this in the 90's I can see them salivating over all the parts they'd sell to the masses that want to turn their 4bbl w/air car into a 6 pk. By the 90's it wasn't about keeping things pure but more about "How do we keep this company afloat" if you know what I mean. I believe they'd sell anything to anybody no matter what it would do to their performance! How's that for "from the D" attitude!
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on January 25, 2015, 11:47:43 PM
If any 440-6 air breather tub originally existed for any AC application, it would show up in one of the parts books.
I do not have copies of all the parts books, so for those of you that do, please take a look & report back.
I will not hold my breath while you look though.
That really is the short answer to all this.
Quote from: Ghoste on January 26, 2015, 09:17:50 AM
I'll throw my photos of the thing in here too. I think my feelings on the 6 Pack with air are well known but this kind of part only fuels the lie.
I'm glad someone else saw and photographed this. Sometimes I can't tell the difference between real life and my dreams. :smilielol:
Quote from: 71 SE3834V on January 26, 2015, 11:54:30 AM
So the question remains "why the notch?"
The only thing I can come up with is, if it does indeed fit around an ac compressor, then this was made so "Joe 6 pack" (no pun intended, well...a little) could take his 440-4bbl w/air car and slap a 6 pk on it cause "it would look cool".
Indeed. It appears to manufactured to appeal to the likes of the Joe Six Pack crowd (*pun intended and copied... :icon_smile_wink:) who wants to stay cool while still going fast. Anyone would call this an "Authentic Rerproduction Part" would be a blatant liar. The authentic branding of non original parts irritates me because some clueless Jamoke from Mudville, Nebraska is gonna believe this was once a real Chrysler part, and the horrific folklore stays around even longer....
Quote from: 71 SE3834V on January 26, 2015, 12:07:33 PM
I'm glad someone else saw and photographed this. Sometimes I can't tell the difference between real life and my dreams. :smilielol:
Now that's funny right there! :icon_smile_big:
Corporations don't look at authentic parts reproduction as a good busniness model. Now making a part that once only fit a single application available with a notch to allow more use is brilliant in their eyes. Its the same mentality that wants licensing fees for toys that really are just helping to promote the brand.
Quote from: Ghoste on January 26, 2015, 01:38:22 PM
Corporations don't look at authentic parts reproduction as a good busniness model. Now making a part that once only fit a single application available with a notch to allow more use is brilliant in their eyes. Its the same mentality that wants licensing fees for toys that really are just helping to promote the brand.
Ghoste, I think you nailed it again! :yesnod:
Here's how I imagine the "conversation" playing out..... :D
(In a Chrysler meeting room in Auburn Hills, MI)
FUTURE CORPORATE GENIUS: "Gee boss, if we put a simple notch in the front of this air cleaner we might be able to sell more units to people who want to install A/C compressors on their 440-six pack cars....." What'ya think Boss? ...Is that a good idea?
BOSS OF FUTURE CORPORATE GENIUS: More units??? (thinking more money)....."Well that's an excellent idea Junior!" "In fact, I think there's a promotion in your future...and I'll bet you'll become the head of this division someday"
That notch was designed to clear distributors originally was always my understanding.
Is there another one with a notch on the other side?
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 26, 2015, 01:57:58 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on January 26, 2015, 01:38:22 PM
Corporations don't look at authentic parts reproduction as a good busniness model. Now making a part that once only fit a single application available with a notch to allow more use is brilliant in their eyes. Its the same mentality that wants licensing fees for toys that really are just helping to promote the brand.
Ghoste, I think you nailed it again! :yesnod:
Here's how I imagine the "conversation" playing out..... :D
(In a Chrysler meeting room in Auburn Hills, MI)
FUTURE CORPORATE GENIUS: "Gee boss, if we put a simple notch in the front of this air cleaner we might be able to sell more units to people who want to install A/C compressors on their 440-six pack cars....." What'ya think Boss? ...Is that a good idea?
BOSS OF FUTURE CORPORATE GENIUS: More units??? (thinking more money)....."Well that's an excellent idea Junior!" "In fact, I think there's a promotion in your future...and I'll bet you'll become the head of this division someday"
Geez, that's almost word for word what I thought when I read Ghoste's reply. Boss agrees "Everyone wants air nowadays!"
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on January 26, 2015, 03:02:30 PM
That notch was designed to clear distributors originally was always my understanding.
Is there another one with a notch on the other side?
Only notch I saw was on the drivers side. Every pic I have shows no need for clearance on the dist. side.
I just remembered (imagine that ;D) reading about it in I think a rag quite a while ago.
Someone may have notched their own to clear an MSD distributor or something. That one at the swap meet was definitely only notched on the non distributor side of the base.
It's a Unicorn, unfortunately unicorn's only exist in fairy tales :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 71 SE3834V on January 25, 2015, 10:39:31 PM
"That's a factory made 6 pk with A/C air cleaner."
Barrett Jackson was trying to say it was recently though."
Yup, This is similar to how the stories of Mermaids, Bigfoot & Yeti's began. And so first it is repeated, soon many have seen one, then it becomes a legend. Shortly after that many believe it to be true.
Quote from: Davtona on January 26, 2015, 08:13:02 PM
Yup, This is similar to how the stories of Mermaids, Bigfoot & Yeti's began. And so first it is repeated, soon many have seen one, then it becomes a legend. Shortly after that many believe it to be true.
I hate to say it.... but this is exactly like the 4-door Barracuda story.
It was never photographed, discussed, or known to exist for the past 42 years... but now its one of the worlds best mysteries with only one person on planet Earth every laying eyes on it.
Now the story has morphed into a "real car" that was actually produced as a Chrysler prototype in 1969. :icon_smile_dissapprove:
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 26, 2015, 08:47:46 PM
I hate to say it.... but this is exactly like the 4-door Barracuda story.
It was never photographed, discussed, or known to exist for the past 42 years... but now its one of the worlds best mysteries with only one person on planet Earth every laying eyes on it.
Now the story has morphed into a "real car" that was actually produced as a Chrysler prototype in 1969. :icon_smile_dissapprove:
Such a bad bad kitty! :popcrn: :popcrn:
Sorry man, but that's exactly what this type of stuff reminds me of. :icon_smile_dissapprove:
People can't always tell the difference between truth and fiction, and after a while....."fiction" can become the "truth". :'( That 4-door 'Cuda story was just a classic example.
Ha! :hah:
At least I got a picture of my unicorn...errr reproduction unicorn! :poke: Me like poking the kitty! :smilielol:
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 26, 2015, 09:20:50 PM
Sorry man, but that's exactly what this type of stuff reminds me of. :icon_smile_dissapprove:
People can't always tell the difference between truth and fiction, and after a while....."fiction" can become the "truth". :'( That 4-door 'Cuda story was just a classic example.
:iagree: :2thumbs:
Quote from: 71 SE3834V on January 26, 2015, 09:37:37 PM
Ha! :hah:
At least I got a picture of my unicorn...errr reproduction unicorn! :poke: Me like poking the kitty! :smilielol:
You did very well. An actual picture of a unicorn would no longer make it a unicorn! :2thumbs: Your unicorn was just its close cousin. :D
Aw! You mean it's just a horsie? :faint:
Quote from: Ghoste on January 26, 2015, 06:43:38 PM
Someone may have notched their own to clear an MSD distributor or something. That one at the swap meet was definitely only notched on the non distributor side of the base.
NO, that's the way they were stamped . Unless these owners had the exact same idea?
Were these before the A/C notched bases were reproduced? Last 6 set up had the same notch on the pass. side. So were the pass. side bases the last ones done by Fram? I'm guessing a different vendor made the A/C notched ones? :shruggy:
(http://www.nicksgarage.com/aircleaner/69_426ag_01.jpg)
(http://www.nicksgarage.com/aircleaner/70_440-6_06.jpg)
(http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/8266425-P9100504a.jpg)
so is that the new trend now to cut up a sic pack at the corner and say, '1 of 1 air six pack air cleaner every produced that rolled off the Chrysler assembly line' what happens when you have 200 other guys having the same notch for air conditioning when there was only so called 1 of 1?
Sorry Mike I misunderstood you. I thought you meant they had a notch on the passenger side equal to the one this repop has on the drivers side of it. This air conditioning notch isn't just off the lip, its a fair hunk out of the flange.
Quote from: Ghoste on January 27, 2015, 08:39:20 AM
Sorry Mike I misunderstood you. I thought you meant they had a notch on the passenger side equal to the one this repop has on the drivers side of it. This air conditioning notch isn't just off the lip, its a fair hunk out of the flange.
Thanks, you saved me the time to say the same thing. :icon_smile_cool:
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on January 26, 2015, 11:54:11 PM
(http://www.nicksgarage.com/aircleaner/70_440-6_06.jpg)
What car and year had that engine and radiator hose setup? I needed that top hose a few weeks back and had to use and cut a Ford Explorer hose :rotz:
I asked on the other thread if this could have been a part of a dealer optioned kit to add a 6pk to an ac car. I fully agree with the reasons of "why" you don't want to and "it wouldn't be a good idea" of not combining an ac compressor with a 6 pk....?
71 SE3834V I looked for that thread but couldn't find it. Got a link?
Quote from: oldcarnut on January 29, 2015, 12:45:38 PM
71 SE3834V I looked for that thread but couldn't find it. Got a link?
Towards the end of the first page.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,114753.0.html
Quote from: oldcarnut on January 29, 2015, 12:45:38 PM
I asked on the other thread if this could have been a part of a dealer optioned kit to add a 6pk to an ac car. I fully agree with the reasons of "why" you don't want to and "it wouldn't be a good idea" of not combining an ac compressor with a 6 pk....?
With all due respect to longstanding member oldcarnut.....the six pack with a/c air cleaner element was never made by Chrysler (I think he knows that). :icon_smile_wink:
On a personal note, I don't know why this stuff gets me so angry but it does. :pullinghair: I believe guys like us should step up with correct information to stop garbage like this from spreading to future generations....like the "4-door Cuda" prototype thread (which just happens to be a perfect example).
Our kids might read this stuff ...while searching on "Google Gold" version 48.0 sometime in 2027.... and think its really true. :icon_smile_dissapprove:
I understand the six and ac never was. I'm just one of those I guess that was planning to put aftermarket ac and a six pack on my bird clone but was interested in why the comments would be not to do it. From my other posts on the custom stuff I've done the car isn't going to be very stock anyway. Either way its all good :2thumbs: ohh and by the way I was quoting the post to get a link to that post where he ask the question lol and thanks for the link :cheers:
No blueprints have surfaced yet for the notched air breather base.
I will give you all something to puzzle over and maybe some one knows where this car is to see what the story is.
In Rochester NY in the 1980's Hemi Al got hooked up with a mopar sugar daddy - wealthy guy who like muscle mopars that used a caretaker. Al assisted Sugar Daddy Brian Thomas in buying bought some really neat mopars that were later sold at auction by the feds as sugar got caught with his hand in the sugar jar.
One was an unrestored 1970 Challenger R/T 440+6 convertible FE5 red. It had what appeared to be a 100% correct factory AC car and a/c was on the tag. 2 tags. We looked at this car for a long time and at the time had to conclude it was the real deal on what we saw. The notch in the air breather had been stamped not cut. AC fire wall etc. I have not asked Al what he remembers.
That car is in some ones collection - find it.
Quote from: Tom Q on January 29, 2015, 08:36:38 PM
No blueprints have surfaced yet for the notched air breather base.
I will give you all something to puzzle over and maybe some one knows where this car is to see what the story is.
In Rochester NY in the 1980's Hemi Al got hooked up with a mopar sugar daddy - wealthy guy who like muscle mopars that used a caretaker. Al assisted Sugar Daddy Brian Thomas in buying bought some really neat mopars that were later sold at auction by the feds as sugar got caught with his hand in the sugar jar.
One was an unrestored 1970 Challenger R/T 440+6 convertible FE5 red. It had what appeared to be a 100% correct factory AC car and a/c was on the tag. 2 tags. We looked at this car for a long time and at the time had to conclude it was the real deal on what we saw. The notch in the air breather had been stamped not cut. AC fire wall etc. I have not asked Al what he remembers.
That car is in some ones collection - find it.
Lots of popcorn poppin' here dude .... :popcrn:
Do you have any more information since you have seen the car and know its previous owners?
No offense, but I think some pictures and documentation are in order to support that mega bomb of speculation you just dropped on us.
How can you be sure it left Hamtramck this way, and wasn't modified after the fact?
This why you guys are such #$%& esp Mr Tuffcat and his pal G. It's very difficult with you bullies always hiding behind a keyboard.
:shruggy:
I reported what I saw, it's not good enough. :eek2:
Comprehend the following words - I wrote: "appeared to be" - Did you get passed kindergarten???
I give you names and places and you can't comprehend that either.
We didn't take pictures back then. It was the 80' and these were USED cars.
You think I'm bsing you, PM me and I will give you Hemi Al's ph#, you call him and find Brian. I can't wait for a PM from Tuffy... :nana:
If Brian will talk to you maybe you will try to find out where the car went. :yesnod:
Pay attention here-that car is in some rich guys collection-you want to call me a liar - go find the car, get off you large butt and do something instead of spouting verbal diarrhea. :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
As far as how it left the plant that way...nope i will not share any further information as to what those who worked for chrysler back then have told me in interviews about how special things were done to production cars-I'm done sharing with you folks.
Perhaps one of the self appointed experts will speak.
Quote from: Tom Q on January 30, 2015, 05:49:23 AM
This why you guys are such #$%& esp Mr Tuffcat and his pal G. It's very difficult with you bullies always hiding behind a keyboard.
:shruggy:
I reported what I saw, it's not good enough. :eek2:
Comprehend the following words - I wrote: "appeared to be" - Did you get passed kindergarten???
I give you names and places and you can't comprehend that either.
We didn't take pictures back then. It was the 80' and these were USED cars.
You think I'm bsing you, PM me and I will give you Hemi Al's ph#, you call him and find Brian. I can't wait for a PM from Tuffy... :nana:
If Brian will talk to you maybe you will try to find out where the car went. :yesnod:
Pay attention here-that car is in some rich guys collection-you want to call me a liar - go find the car, get off you large butt and do something instead of spouting verbal diarrhea. :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
As far as how it left the plant that way...nope i will not share any further information as to what those who worked for chrysler back then have told me in interviews about how special things were done to production cars-I'm done sharing with you folks.
Perhaps one of the self appointed experts will speak.
I wouldn't call you a liar...you simply haven't proven anything. Secondly why should
I have to PM you, or do anything to support
your claims? :shruggy: Insulting me might make you feel good about yourself, but it doesn't validate or enhance your position on how Chrysler built cars.
Quote from: Tom Q on January 29, 2015, 08:36:38 PM
We looked at this car for a long time and at the time had to conclude it was the real deal on what we saw. The notch in the air breather had been stamped not cut.
Tom Q, you may be knowledgeable and have access to a lot of documentation. My point is so much undocumented bad info is already out there, we really don't need anymore. Just my two cents. :Twocents: :Twocents:
I'm assuming "my pal G" is Ghoste....if so, what did he do? :shruggy:
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 30, 2015, 09:38:34 AM
I'm assuming "my pal G" is Ghoste....if so, what did he do? :shruggy:
What did he do??????
He's clearly guilty of skepticism!!!! :o
You can't put anything on the internet unless it's true......right? :yesnod:
Maybe I'm really a French model!! :angel: Bon-jour!!
Quote from: Tom Q on January 30, 2015, 05:49:23 AM
This why you guys are such #$%& esp Mr Tuffcat and his pal G. It's very difficult with you bullies always hiding behind a keyboard.
:shruggy:
I reported what I saw, it's not good enough. :eek2:
Comprehend the following words - I wrote: "appeared to be" - Did you get passed kindergarten???
I give you names and places and you can't comprehend that either.
We didn't take pictures back then. It was the 80' and these were USED cars.
You think I'm bsing you, PM me and I will give you Hemi Al's ph#, you call him and find Brian. I can't wait for a PM from Tuffy... :nana:
If Brian will talk to you maybe you will try to find out where the car went. :yesnod:
Pay attention here-that car is in some rich guys collection-you want to call me a liar - go find the car, get off you large butt and do something instead of spouting verbal diarrhea. :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
As far as how it left the plant that way...nope i will not share any further information as to what those who worked for chrysler back then have told me in interviews about how special things were done to production cars-I'm done sharing with you folks.
Perhaps one of the self appointed experts will speak.
Looking at your post above versus tufcats earlier compares the difference of a personal issue versus logical skepticism.
Why pull in someone who has nothing to do with this?
:popcrn:
Better than a soap opera :nana:
There were several of those Fe5 vert Challenger R/Ts with white stripe, top made that were Pilot cars IIRC.
If it was one of them, all bets are off imo.
One of things that turned me Mopar was back in the old days everyone used to talk about how you could have Chrysler build your rig the way you wanted. Now, how much of that old hearsay is actually true but you don't hear folks talk about it like they did in the 80's when I got into Mopar.
If it is me, I'm not hiding behind the keyboard, I'm right here in front of it. :lol:
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on January 30, 2015, 05:17:44 PM
There were several of those Fe5 vert Challenger R/Ts with white stripe, top made that were Pilot cars IIRC.
If it was one of them, all bets are off imo.
One of things that turned me Mopar was back in the old days everyone used to talk about how you could have Chrysler build your rig the way you wanted. Now, how much of that old hearsay is actually true but you don't hear folks talk about it like they did in the 80's when I got into Mopar.
The "promo" (not pilot) SIX-PACK 4-speed Challenger R/T 'verts also had a red interior.
One of these was in AZ or CA ~10-15 years ago with a black dash & A/C. :icon_smile_question:
Quote from: 6bblgt on January 30, 2015, 07:23:05 PM
The "promo" (not pilot) SIX-PACK 4-speed Challenger R/T 'verts also had a red interior.
One of these was in AZ or CA ~10-15 years ago with a black dash & A/C. :icon_smile_question:
So if I'm following you correctly, one of the [approximately six known to exist] FE5 red "promo" built for national auto show display, 1970 Challenger R/T 440 Six Pack 4-speed convertibles [very early production and possibly the first scheduled day of August '69 as speculated] has been seen with air conditioning and a black IP with red interior? :scope:
I'm hoping you're not suggesting Chrysler actually built it this way?.... :whistling:
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 31, 2015, 07:25:37 PM
So if I'm following you correctly, one of the [approximately six known to exist] FE5 red "promo", built for national auto show display, 1970 Challenger R/T 440 Six Pack 4-speed convertibles built very early in production [and possibly the first scheduled day of August '69 as speculated] has been seen with air conditioning and a black IP with red interior? :scope:
I'm hoping you're not suggesting Chrysler actually built it this way?.... :whistling:
No - I do NOT believe Chrysler Corp. built it that way.
1970:
"PILOTS" - scheduled Friday, 801 - but built earlier - "Pre-Production"
"PROMOS" - scheduled Saturday, 802 - but built later - "introductory new car models for dealer shows" (not public shows, although some made appearances there)
Quote from: 6bblgt on January 31, 2015, 08:19:46 PM
No - I do NOT believe Chrysler Corp. built it that way.
Thanks brother..... that was exactly what I wanted to hear. :icon_smile_wink:
Some people only seem interested in re-writing history to their advantage....which seems to have become a big issue in the past several months.
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Some people only seem interested in re-writing history to their advantage....which seems to have become a big issue in the past several months.
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Sadly, I think it has always been so.....people trying to prove they are smarter then others. As someone has said, if one can not dazzle people with one's brilliance, baffle them with one's bull feces.
The puzzling part..... trying it here. There's just too many really sharp people on this site to even think it's possible to spread feces. I don't get it.....why even try? :shruggy:
:cheers:
Just for chits and giggles, here a "factory" equipped Monteverdi Hai, built in 1970, Chrysler supplied the engines, production was to be 50 cars, but production actual only saw 2 being made...Hmmmm :scratchchin:
A Hemi with a/c! However it was conceived.....dude I'm totally down with it! :yesnod:
Were any of the Jensen's equipped with a Six Pack?
Digging up this old post
Quote from: murfman on November 01, 2021, 11:57:05 AM
Digging up this old post
grab a beer or three & have a read here :cheers: :yesnod: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,105796.0.html
then here
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,115580.0.html
As far as I am concerned this was a U code 70 Charger R/T that was mis-typed as a V code and the fender tag and mylar decal are not original. Hopefully one day I find the broadcast sheet and put this to rest.
Quote from: Ghoste on February 09, 2015, 06:46:33 AM
Were any of the Jensen's equipped with a Six Pack?
Jensen sp :cheers:
Quote from: Ghoste on February 09, 2015, 06:46:33 AM
Were any of the Jensen's equipped with a Six Pack?
The notched air cleaner bases were used on the Interceptor SP with A/C.
A better picture the cutout. Not sure if it would clear an RV2 compressor.
Chrysler engineering did indeed perform an engineering exercise to fit AC on a six pak - see photo I found on that other site
From speaking with people in Detroit that were well immersed in the production of those cars back then - they told me that Chrysler indeed would have done the engineering exercise on the Hemi. Doh!
check out the alternator bracket, upper rad hose, fat 22 inch radiator and the writing on the battery
I have read of rumors over the years of hemi cars with AC and there is fender tag data from an early build [september] 71 Challenger Executive ordered car JS23V1B E87 D36 with H51 on the tag. Never say never esp after finding that pic on the web
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If there was any built most likely early Pilot Cars & not regular Production. LEON.
It takes more than that to notch that air cleaner on a sixpack. Mine has been on for close to 30 years now.
Just bought this repop. They make them cut out now for sanden compressors.
I can't ever get pictures to post on this site or I would post some of on how I fit mine as a kid.
I have the repro air cleaner as well, fits perfectly with the modern A/C compressor. I hacked the passenger side as I was previously using a MSD pro billet distributor which I got rid of. :Twocents:
Quote from: KWampus on December 04, 2021, 07:29:50 AM
Chrysler engineering did indeed perform an engineering exercise to fit AC on a six pak - see photo I found on that other site
From speaking with people in Detroit that were well immersed in the production of those cars back then - they told me that Chrysler indeed would have done the engineering exercise on the Hemi. Doh!
check out the alternator bracket, upper rad hose, fat 22 inch radiator and the writing on the battery
I have read of rumors over the years of hemi cars with AC and there is fender tag data from an early build [september] 71 Challenger Executive ordered car JS23V1B E87 D36 with H51 on the tag. Never say never esp after finding that pic on the web
good picture ! thanks for posting , never seen that before ... hope you dont mind ive enlarged it
i think this picture is something along the lines of what HH Leon said ,
who remembers the preproduction white hemi cuda what was originally built in july as a 318 or 340 grand coupe then changed to a hemi cuda for evaluation then sold to the public it still had the over head console i think thats how the story went anyways weather true or not :scratchchin: also the preproduction 71 hemi charger in red that had a few options that was on tag on was fitted that did not match, then was sold to the public ...there have been a few more that i cant think of right now , guess we will never know what chrysler really got up to , but think that sublime 70 is a U code with a miss stamped vin tag :yesnod: :popcrn:
Quote from: 6pkrtse on December 07, 2021, 01:34:24 PM
I can't ever get pictures to post on this site or I would post some of on how I fit mine as a kid.
sent you a PM feel free to send me any pictures you would like posting , & i'll post them for you :2thumbs: :cheers:
Quote from: 6pkrtse on December 07, 2021, 01:34:24 PM
I can't ever get pictures to post on this site or I would post some of on how I fit mine as a kid.
Quote from: tan top on December 07, 2021, 03:38:30 PM
Quote from: 6pkrtse on December 07, 2021, 01:34:24 PM
I can't ever get pictures to post on this site or I would post some of on how I fit mine as a kid.
sent you a PM feel free to send me any pictures you would like posting , & i'll post them for you :2thumbs: :cheers:
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(6pkrtse) sent me these pictures & asked me to post them here :yesnod:
In the third picture what is the red piece in front of the driver side valve cover beside the air conditioning pump ?
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 12, 2021, 10:03:15 AM
In the third picture what is the red piece in front of the driver side valve cover beside the air conditioning pump ?
Looks like a home made heat shield for the AC line muffler
Lets review
Chrysler performed engineering exercises to ascertain the fit of AC [H51] that was not available on certain production engines [440+6 & Hemi]. There is proper documentation, history and follow up to ascertain that yes they did indeed put AC on non AC specific engines.
There are very credible reports of AC on 440+6 E bodies and yes Virginia [like in Santa Claus] Hemi cars and try this in - non R/T E bodie configurations. Maybe documented in affidavits. Maybe more... There is fender tag data and yes broadcast sheet documentation and other documentation to prove to all the experts these cars were built and they are not pre-production cars or pilot cars. Executive cars and cars that were built by exploiting the ordering system in the 1970-71 model year. One of those cars you all claim not to exist found me... so just wait for the rest of of the story...it won't be on here but in print.
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 12, 2021, 10:03:15 AM
In the third picture what is the red piece in front of the driver side valve cover beside the air conditioning pump ?
Looks like battery cable.
Quote from: A383Wing on December 13, 2021, 02:48:57 PM
Quote from: 70 sublime on December 12, 2021, 10:03:15 AM
In the third picture what is the red piece in front of the driver side valve cover beside the air conditioning pump ?
Looks like a home made heat shield for the AC line muffler
No homemade cover? The first picture shows it better. Not sure why it looks like a cover in the third picture? It is just the angle. It is the same as line muffler just in front of the valve cover.
Idgaf, that '70 Charger is bogus! Pretty obvious the fender tag is reproduction, lol. Not gonna tell how I know, lol.
Yes, there's rumors of the E bodies (promo, pilot) getting them but it ends there.
Show me a broadcast sheet and I'll eat crow!
So, its supposedly a "rare" car built past half way point for the 1970 year. Von?
If it was a super early car like the 1970 C500 Hemi car or on the last day @ St. Louis, July 10th iirc, I might understand...