:rotz: truely a sad day Big willie died today at 6 am.
We reported yesterday that "Big Willie" Robinson, the massive mountain of a man and huge force behind the street legal drag racing scene in the Los Angeles area was in poor health. Word has come to us that Robinson passed away at 5AM on Saturday. He was the founder of the International Brotherhood of Street Racers, worked tirelessly at and for Brotherhood Raceway on Terminal Island in LA, and believed with all of his being that drag racing could be a force to unite the community, quell racial tensions, and keep kids off the streets and away from drugs and gangs. His message was heard by many and followed by many more. There are worldwide chapters of the International Brotherhood of Street Racers now and all of this is because of Robinson's unyielding devotion to his message, his cause, and his beliefs. The 6'6″ man was as imposing physical presence, but was a truly gentle giant who was devoted to his wife Tomiko and heart broken by her passing in 2007
http://bangshift.com/blog/big-willie-robinson-larger-than-life-drag-racing-supporter-and-crusader-has-died.html
Sad. RIP big guy!
RIP Big Willie, you will be greatly missed and fondly remembered by all whom you touched in your life. I am truly saddened, I followed his exploits for many years. Now he is in that big drag strip in the sky hopefully re-united with his dear wife whom he loved so dearly.
aww man sad news !! thats a Shame , RIP big Willie
I would love to see a movie of this great mans life. RIP Big Willie.
RIP Big Willie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbYgbVoIPkQ&feature=related :2thumbs:
Quote from: 200MPH on May 19, 2012, 06:15:40 PM
RIP Big Willie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbYgbVoIPkQ&feature=related :2thumbs:
Very interesting interview.
Sad to hear.
RIP Big Willie
RIP Willie ...........God Speed Big Guy..................
RIP Big Willie!
Big Willie... May the Lord look over you and yours and may you find Peace and Happiness again with Tomiko..
Goodbye Big Willie
QuoteMay the Lord look over you and yours and may you find Peace and Happiness again with Tomiko..
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7552532@N07/sets/72157603712632579/
Wow, go away for a couple of weeks and you miss a lot. I was fortunate to meet him a couple of years ago and he really was one of the great ones.
its a good thing he didnt have a chance to ruin any more daytona's back then, there wouldnt be any left. :icon_smile_angry:
really??
Quote from: dudedart on May 27, 2012, 12:35:50 AM
its a good thing he didnt have a chance to ruin any more daytona's back then, there wouldnt be any left. :icon_smile_angry:
Ruin them?....back in that time frame they weren't exactly something people cherished or thought should be put under glass. If anything , he did more to promote them then he did to hurt the limited amount built that when brand new they couldn't even sell. IMO
Quote from: DC_1(formerly Sydmoe) on May 27, 2012, 07:09:10 AM
Quote from: dudedart on May 27, 2012, 12:35:50 AM
its a good thing he didnt have a chance to ruin any more daytona's back then, there wouldnt be any left. :icon_smile_angry:
Ruin them?....back in that time frame they weren't exactly something people charished or thought should be put under glass. If anything , he did more to promote them then he did to hurt the limited amount built that when brand new they couldn't even sell. IMO
The statement that "they couldn't sell them" is a big lie.
Quote from: Aero426 on May 27, 2012, 09:43:31 AM
Quote from: DC_1(formerly Sydmoe) on May 27, 2012, 07:09:10 AM
Quote from: dudedart on May 27, 2012, 12:35:50 AM
its a good thing he didnt have a chance to ruin any more daytona's back then, there wouldnt be any left. :icon_smile_angry:
Ruin them?....back in that time frame they weren't exactly something people charished or thought should be put under glass. If anything , he did more to promote them then he did to hurt the limited amount built that when brand new they couldn't even sell. IMO
The statement that "they couldn't sell them" is a big lie.
Maybe more of a exaggeration I am perpetuating......point being, they were an odd ball car made to serve Chrysler's NASCAR racing interest and not as a sought after weekend street racing car every man wanted in their driveway. I think Big Willie's use of the Daytona gave the cars, and even Chrysler, more fans that were into drag racing. I don't look at his use of the cars as a negative or that he ruined them in anyway.
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on May 19, 2012, 05:31:39 PM
I would love to see a movie of this great mans life. RIP Big Willie.
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those cars were ruined by him, abused and destroyed, one was an orig hemi car. considering there was only 70 hemi daytonas made his efforts in destroying them was much more affective than bringing attention to them. plenty of old race cars have survived, even after being wrecked. however to completely butcher them in a careless way, was stupid and brought nothing positive to anyone. dont bite the hand that feeds you.
well. You have to remember something. if you did that NOW yea... Thats crazy. But when that was going on these cars were not worth as much as they are now.
So you would prefer what, that he didn't race Mopars? What about all the other racers that acid dipped cars? Dick Landy had original Hemi cars too and he put scoops on them, acid dipped them, bent out wheel wells. These cars were also ruined I suppose?
dick landy since you mentioned him probably has more surviving race cars than any racer. this is due to the fact he always gave them a baking soda bath after an acid dip. he took such good care that they lasted longer than him. his a990, 68 ss dart, 1970 ss challenger, 1970 hemi charger, his personal challenger & stealth to name a few have survived. willie bought all three of those daytonas new, would you abuse your new car at any time like that ? everyone knows a hemi daytona is the most sought after car of all time, thats why he bought 3 daytonas new. kinda like the dukes of hazzard, that show destroyed over 350 chargers, hence killing the very thing that made you famous. id rather have the chargers back than that lame show. a real chrysler man knows the mopars are special without being told or brainwashed. let these people and types alike destroy camaro's and mudstain's and leave the mopars to be enjoyed.
I remember when people who owned Birds & Daytonas here in Cincy back then were made fun of more than anything. They really weren't that popular at the time because they were seen to be over the top! Heck if I bought everyone that I saw on a " buy it here pay it here lot" back in the seventies I'd be freaking rich beyond my wildest dreams. Not everyone disliked them either, but they have aged well, VERY WELL!!!!!
I'm not really sure if I'm a true Mopar man or not. I think I am but it's really best left to someone else to decide. I do know a couple of things, one that Willie's first Daytona was quietly slipped his way by Dodge and it was largely for the promotional value of having him associated with the brand. Willie was more about getting racing off of the street and ending racial tension. His vision was by uniting the two passions both dreams could be realized. Only guessing but I think the brand of car wasn't as crucial to his needs as the impact. The Daytona certainly was an attention grabber and with the need to go fast, the acid dipping was logical. Right or wrong with the benefit of hindsight becomes irrelevant really because he didn't obtain the cars as an investment and he sure didn't have a crystal ball to predict future value.
And make no mistake, at one time these were just old used cars. Want to know what I did with my 69 Super Bee because the trunk floor was rusty? I pushed it into a pond at the back of our farm. Clearly that act would stand on the side of "not a true Mopar man" but with the 250 dollars I had into the car, there was no way I was putting more money into the rusty used up beast back in the late 70's. It was just an old used car, the same as Willie's.
Willie didn't dip the car last year, he did it over 30 years ago. I'd bet the bank Landy had no care about preserving the car for today either, you can be sure he neutralized after to try and keep enough structural integrity in case he needed to get more than one season out of a car. The fact that SOME of his cars survive is coincidence. Nothing more nothing less.
Quote from: Ghoste on May 29, 2012, 08:41:35 AM
Willie didn't dip the car last year, he did it over 30 years ago. I'd bet the bank Landy had no care about preserving the car for today either, you can be sure he neutralized after to try and keep enough structural integrity in case he needed to get more than one season out of a car. The fact that SOME of his cars survive is coincidence. Nothing more nothing less.
This is the truth.
My original Hemi 4-speed Superbird was a daily driver back in the day. It was considered by most to be just an old funny looking RoadRunner. I remember being laughed at more than once....by the same group of people that would sell their right arm to own one today. While I will never be able to afford another with today's prices, at least I had my fun with the car back then. That's also why I decided to build a Daytona clone/custom....I now have a wingcar that I can have fun with....without worrying about its value.
I remember that street racing was a huge problem back in the day, and my hats off to Big Willie and his memory as he did what he could to take it off the street. Sad that officials wouldn't work with him as they should have.......................he was a real stand up guy.
Quote from: dudedart on May 27, 2012, 12:35:50 AM
its a good thing he didnt have a chance to ruin any more daytona's back then, there wouldnt be any left. :icon_smile_angry:
:confused:
...wow...all I can say is that was...
Quote...stupid and brought nothing positive to anyone.
Nothing like bashing a guy after he dies, let alone a deceased veteran on Memorial Day weekend.... :rotz:
QuoteNothing like bashing a guy after he dies, let alone a deceased veteran on Memorial Day weekend.... rotz
:yesnod: may
he rest in peace
Right On richRTSE! See ya later Willie.
It's just amazing to me how many people just don't get it. Do our schools do that bad a job at not only teaching kids' history, but also how to think (let's not go there). History does not change with time, because history is what it is for all time. What does change is the way we look at the past when we use hindsight. (Remember what they always say...hindsight is 20/20) It's always easy to judge what others have done before us when viewing the past through contemporary eyes. Let's face it if any of us "really" knew and understood how valuable these cars would be in the future....we would all have kept several in our garages....but apparently none of us had a working crystal ball. No one knew...and back in the day these were just used cars that were never expected to last more than 10 years or so. So before anyone starts to put down others who in the past may not have "babied" these "collector cars"...remember they were using them for what they were intended....DRIVING and many drove them hard.....why do you think they called them hi-performance cars back then. Today, these same cars are now "cruising" or worst yet "trailer" cars....they are not used for purpose they were originally intended. (Not pointing fingers, just stating a fact). So next time a person starts bad mouthing an individual from the past about how they treated their car, just remember they used them as they were intended, and enjoyed them!
(I know I did!)
(I am now stepping off my soap box)
Quote from: Ghoste on May 29, 2012, 08:41:35 AM
I'm not really sure if I'm a true Mopar man or not. I think I am but it's really best left to someone else to decide. I do know a couple of things, one that Willie's first Daytona was quietly slipped his way by Dodge and it was largely for the promotional value of having him associated with the brand. Willie was more about getting racing off of the street and ending racial tension. His vision was by uniting the two passions both dreams could be realized. Only guessing but I think the brand of car wasn't as crucial to his needs as the impact. The Daytona certainly was an attention grabber and with the need to go fast, the acid dipping was logical. Right or wrong with the benefit of hindsight becomes irrelevant really because he didn't obtain the cars as an investment and he sure didn't have a crystal ball to predict future value.
And make no mistake, at one time these were just old used cars. Want to know what I did with my 69 Super Bee because the trunk floor was rusty? I pushed it into a pond at the back of our farm. Clearly that act would stand on the side of "not a true Mopar man" but with the 250 dollars I had into the car, there was no way I was putting more money into the rusty used up beast back in the late 70's. It was just an old used car, the same as Willie's.
Willie didn't dip the car last year, he did it over 30 years ago. I'd bet the bank Landy had no care about preserving the car for today either, you can be sure he neutralized after to try and keep enough structural integrity in case he needed to get more than one season out of a car. The fact that SOME of his cars survive is coincidence. Nothing more nothing less.
dick landy wasnt driving old cars in 1965 68 70, they were new cars, neither was willie,
the first car he destroyed was in 1971, hardly a used old car, considering 3 year payment plans on new cars.
dick landy stated himself he did it for preserving the car. it was an investment in all means of the word.
they both were earning money, right ? the fact MOST of landy's cars survived IS NOT a coincidence, he was is forsite.
know any other racer who has that many vintage ss race cars with his name on the side still around ?
how long did landy keep his challenger before he sold it? anyone who would push a superbee into a pond inst and
never will be a mopar man.
Well like I said, someone else would be a better judge of who I am than I could ever be of myself. You should feel very fortunate to have such profound insight into people you have never met.
Quote from: dudedart on May 29, 2012, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on May 29, 2012, 08:41:35 AM
I'm not really sure if I'm a true Mopar man or not. I think I am but it's really best left to someone else to decide. I do know a couple of things, one that Willie's first Daytona was quietly slipped his way by Dodge and it was largely for the promotional value of having him associated with the brand. Willie was more about getting racing off of the street and ending racial tension. His vision was by uniting the two passions both dreams could be realized. Only guessing but I think the brand of car wasn't as crucial to his needs as the impact. The Daytona certainly was an attention grabber and with the need to go fast, the acid dipping was logical. Right or wrong with the benefit of hindsight becomes irrelevant really because he didn't obtain the cars as an investment and he sure didn't have a crystal ball to predict future value.
And make no mistake, at one time these were just old used cars. Want to know what I did with my 69 Super Bee because the trunk floor was rusty? I pushed it into a pond at the back of our farm. Clearly that act would stand on the side of "not a true Mopar man" but with the 250 dollars I had into the car, there was no way I was putting more money into the rusty used up beast back in the late 70's. It was just an old used car, the same as Willie's.
Willie didn't dip the car last year, he did it over 30 years ago. I'd bet the bank Landy had no care about preserving the car for today either, you can be sure he neutralized after to try and keep enough structural integrity in case he needed to get more than one season out of a car. The fact that SOME of his cars survive is coincidence. Nothing more nothing less.
dick landy wasnt driving old cars in 1965 68 70, they were new cars, neither was willie,
the first car he destroyed was in 1971, hardly a used old car, considering 3 year payment plans on new cars.
dick landy stated himself he did it for preserving the car. it was an investment in all means of the word.
they both were earning money, right ? the fact MOST of landy's cars survived IS NOT a coincidence, he was is forsite.
know any other racer who has that many vintage ss race cars with his name on the side still around ?
how long did landy keep his challenger before he sold it? anyone who would push a superbee into a pond inst and
never will be a mopar man.
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: where did this clown come from :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: he has me rolling
Quote from: moparstuart on May 29, 2012, 02:01:10 PM
Quote from: dudedart on May 29, 2012, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on May 29, 2012, 08:41:35 AM
I'm not really sure if I'm a true Mopar man or not. I think I am but it's really best left to someone else to decide. I do know a couple of things, one that Willie's first Daytona was quietly slipped his way by Dodge and it was largely for the promotional value of having him associated with the brand. Willie was more about getting racing off of the street and ending racial tension. His vision was by uniting the two passions both dreams could be realized. Only guessing but I think the brand of car wasn't as crucial to his needs as the impact. The Daytona certainly was an attention grabber and with the need to go fast, the acid dipping was logical. Right or wrong with the benefit of hindsight becomes irrelevant really because he didn't obtain the cars as an investment and he sure didn't have a crystal ball to predict future value.
And make no mistake, at one time these were just old used cars. Want to know what I did with my 69 Super Bee because the trunk floor was rusty? I pushed it into a pond at the back of our farm. Clearly that act would stand on the side of "not a true Mopar man" but with the 250 dollars I had into the car, there was no way I was putting more money into the rusty used up beast back in the late 70's. It was just an old used car, the same as Willie's.
Willie didn't dip the car last year, he did it over 30 years ago. I'd bet the bank Landy had no care about preserving the car for today either, you can be sure he neutralized after to try and keep enough structural integrity in case he needed to get more than one season out of a car. The fact that SOME of his cars survive is coincidence. Nothing more nothing less.
dick landy wasnt driving old cars in 1965 68 70, they were new cars, neither was willie,
the first car he destroyed was in 1971, hardly a used old car, considering 3 year payment plans on new cars.
dick landy stated himself he did it for preserving the car. it was an investment in all means of the word.
they both were earning money, right ? the fact MOST of landy's cars survived IS NOT a coincidence, he was is forsite.
know any other racer who has that many vintage ss race cars with his name on the side still around ?
how long did landy keep his challenger before he sold it? anyone who would push a superbee into a pond inst and
never will be a mopar man.
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: where did this clown come from :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: he has me rolling
a clown isnt the only thing you probably rolled over for.
Quote from: dudedart on May 29, 2012, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on May 29, 2012, 02:01:10 PM
Quote from: dudedart on May 29, 2012, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on May 29, 2012, 08:41:35 AM
I'm not really sure if I'm a true Mopar man or not. I think I am but it's really best left to someone else to decide. I do know a couple of things, one that Willie's first Daytona was quietly slipped his way by Dodge and it was largely for the promotional value of having him associated with the brand. Willie was more about getting racing off of the street and ending racial tension. His vision was by uniting the two passions both dreams could be realized. Only guessing but I think the brand of car wasn't as crucial to his needs as the impact. The Daytona certainly was an attention grabber and with the need to go fast, the acid dipping was logical. Right or wrong with the benefit of hindsight becomes irrelevant really because he didn't obtain the cars as an investment and he sure didn't have a crystal ball to predict future value.
And make no mistake, at one time these were just old used cars. Want to know what I did with my 69 Super Bee because the trunk floor was rusty? I pushed it into a pond at the back of our farm. Clearly that act would stand on the side of "not a true Mopar man" but with the 250 dollars I had into the car, there was no way I was putting more money into the rusty used up beast back in the late 70's. It was just an old used car, the same as Willie's.
Willie didn't dip the car last year, he did it over 30 years ago. I'd bet the bank Landy had no care about preserving the car for today either, you can be sure he neutralized after to try and keep enough structural integrity in case he needed to get more than one season out of a car. The fact that SOME of his cars survive is coincidence. Nothing more nothing less.
dick landy wasnt driving old cars in 1965 68 70, they were new cars, neither was willie,
the first car he destroyed was in 1971, hardly a used old car, considering 3 year payment plans on new cars.
dick landy stated himself he did it for preserving the car. it was an investment in all means of the word.
they both were earning money, right ? the fact MOST of landy's cars survived IS NOT a coincidence, he was is forsite.
know any other racer who has that many vintage ss race cars with his name on the side still around ?
how long did landy keep his challenger before he sold it? anyone who would push a superbee into a pond inst and
never will be a mopar man.
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: where did this clown come from :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: he has me rolling
a clown isnt the only thing you probably rolled over for.
well there was that one time with pioneer stereo guy Oh and phone guy too :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
Dudedart, you need to learn how to play with others. Everyone here is entitled to their own opinion, even if it is wrong. The point is....it was THEIR car, which THEY brought for THEIR use, with THEIR own money. They didn't buy the cars for future collectors. Are you upset because they didn't save the car in an air conditioned garage waiting for someone like yourself to come along and buy it....only to put it in another air conditioned garage? As far as I know we still have the right to buy what we like and within limits do what we like with it once it's ours. As for Landy's being the only SS cars still out there....sorry but that's just not the case, there are others out there. Perhaps you need to go back and study auto racing a bit, these cars were just tools of the trade and they were expendable. Good for Landy for keeping his old race cars, others did the same but many had to move on to newer equipment and usually that would mean selling last year's car to pay for the new one.
It really isn't for you or any of us to judge what they did with their cars.......afterall it was their's wasn't it? :Twocents: :shruggy: :Twocents:
Quote from: moparstuart on May 29, 2012, 02:01:10 PM
Quote from: dudedart on May 29, 2012, 01:39:34 PM
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: where did this clown come from :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: he has me rolling
I was thinking one of three things.....
1) He/she is an unhappy street racer who got ass whooped by Big Willie back in the day.
or.....
2) Someone finally tapped into a Time Warner internet cable under the bridge.
or.....
3) They're just having a bad day & in need of a hug.
Quotewell there was that one time with pioneer stereo guy Oh and phone guy too yesnod yesnod yesnod
:smilielol:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on May 29, 2012, 04:40:27 PM
Quotewell there was that one time with pioneer stereo guy Oh and phone guy too yesnod yesnod yesnod
:smilielol:
:icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
car butcher, plain and simple.
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Hack up 3 Chargers for a bit more speed, and you're a butcher.
Hack up 503 Chargers for a bit more speed, and you're creating a classic.
I wouldn't say "Big Willy" Destroyed daytonas no more than the DOH destroyed "Over 350" Chargers. Figure was more in line with around 300 in 7 years. When Mopar produced around 300,000 Chargers between 1968-1970. Less than 1% was "Destroyed" by the DOH. Which coincidently, actually made the Charger MORE famous. Gotta break a few eggs if you want an omelette I guess.
Same with Big Willy. He helped those wing cars become the icons they are. I'm amazed no one mentioned the fact that Superbirds and Daytonas were "Destoyed" by the dealers that couldn't sell those "Ugly" cars back in the day by removing those wings/noses and throwing them in the dumpster. More than one old codger has told me that story.
Easy to call Willy a Hack after the fact. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Yes, he sure was a plain and simple car butcher. No denying it, no sense arguing it. It would have been so much better when Chrysler gave him those cars if he had said" thanks but no thanks Dodge, I don't want to butcher those cars and race them and stuff, they need to be preserved so 40 years from now someone can put them in their museum and that way no one on the internet will throw rocks my way after I die". Yes, that is what he should have done. ::)
:popcrn:
I wonder if anybody would have had the balls to call Big Willy a "Butcher of Daytonas" back in 1970? :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: dudedart on June 24, 2012, 11:57:43 PM
car butcher, plain and simple.
Minority/dissenting opinion noted.
Let's not feed the troll here, fellas - I am pretty sure that's what he wants.
:Twocents:
to his face, everybody's a big man on line
Back in the day everyone personalized modified butcherd etc there cars.
http://www.superbirdclub.com/customaero.html
just remove the stupid comments and ban the troll. doesnt matter what Big Willie did to some car long time ago, he was a decent man who did everything to help other ppl and his country and stupid comments after his death just tell what the person making them is like. :shruggy:
Rest in Peace Big Willie.
I used to see him while attending many a street race in So Cal early 80's from San Fernando blvd to Dodger stadium, Long Beach etc etc...one time he set up a race between a buddies very quick RR and a brothers caddy. The caddy smoked the RR.
oh yes he did some good things, i suppose. never met him , so i couldnt as well as many others here say for certain what type of attitude he had, if that make you a decent person. however the fact remain he is, was and always will be a car butcher.
Quote from: surmanajaja on June 25, 2012, 02:50:01 PM
just remove the stupid comments and ban the troll. doesnt matter what Big Willie did to some car long time ago, he was a decent man who did everything to help other ppl and his country and stupid comments after his death just tell what the person making them is like. :shruggy:
stupid comments ? i never said a single word about willie that wasnt 100% true. he is a car butcher, anyone who destroys 2 daytonas is a butcher. if he didnt know that those cars were special, then not only is a butcher, hes stupid also. i would and most of these people on here have enough common sence, not to destroy a car such as a hemi daytona.
Quotestupid comments ? i never said a single word about willie that wasnt 100% true. he is a car butcher, anyone who destroys 2 daytonas is a butcher. if he didnt know that those cars were special, then not only is a butcher, hes stupid also. i would and most of these people on here have enough common sence, not to destroy a car such as a hemi daytona.
:slap: WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO STIR SHIT UP. YOU KNOW SAYING SHIT LIKE THAT IS ONLY GONNA PISS PEOPLE OFF. FOR NO REASON .A GREAT GUY HAS DIED . YOUR NOT ADDING ANYTHING TO THIS DISCUSSION . SO GO PLAY IN YOUR SAND BOX . WITH YOUR WANNA OWN TWO CARS . :slap:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on June 28, 2012, 11:12:12 PM
:slap: WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO STIR SHIT UP. YOU KNOW SAYING SHIT LIKE THAT IS ONLY GONNA PISS PEOPLE OFF. FOR NO REASON .A GREAT GUY HAS DIED . YOUR NOT ADDING ANYTHING TO THIS DISCUSSION . SO GO PLAY IN YOUR SAND BOX . WITH YOUR WANNA OWN TWO CARS . :slap:
great guy ? as i said before and i will again, i never met him so i cant speak for the person himself, as most of these people as well, i'd suspect. im adding what i wish, this is a charger website, so why is it not a shame for 2 extremely rare cars to be destroyed so careless. again he is a car butcher, investigate him and you will plainly see. cause he's dead and owned a race track and was tall, ect ect ect, dosent change the fact he is a car butcher.
Quote from: dudedart on June 28, 2012, 10:25:42 PM
stupid comments ? i never said a single word about willie that wasnt 100% true. he is a car butcher, anyone who destroys 2 daytonas is a butcher. if he didnt know that those cars were special, then not only is a butcher, hes stupid also. i would and most of these people on here have enough common sence, not to destroy a car such as a hemi daytona.
And what have you done in your life - good or bad - to contribute to the hobby in a big way? And I'm not talking squirreling away some NOS window cranks for a 77 Dodge Magnum cause you knew one day they would be a rare and desired collector car.....oh wait there not! Fact is no one knew back in the 70s that these cars would be as desired as they are. Like Miked DC already said, you could look at it that these cars were already "butchered" by Chrysler only to satisfy their need to qualify the design for NASCAR. Why are you not equally outraged that Chrysler took 503 Charger R/Ts and modified them in a way that ruined the cars original design and for no other purpose but to increase their racing competitiveness.
I never knew Big Willie but from what I've read and seen of him it is pretty clear that he was activily in the business of promoting the hobby of drag racing - not the hobby of car collecting. Don't slam the guy cause he had a different passion than you....
Gotta give up that "Green evny" hateraid bro. Hatin's bad. Long Live Big Willy and what he stood for.
Haters gonna hate....
How do you hate someone you never met or condemn an act which occurred in an era and circumstance you never experienced? I don't think it's hate, I think it's just ordinary pot stirring.
Quote from: Ghoste on June 29, 2012, 08:04:54 AM
I don't think it's hate, I think it's just ordinary pot stirring.
:iagree:
As I said earlier guys, this is nothing more than trolling for the kind of responses that he's getting all-too-easily...
DON'T TAKE THE BAIT!!!!
Just a saying, usually jealous people of what they did not have and or loathed.
Big Willie was his own man...he tried to make a difference in the lives of young people by bringing them together under a shared interest...street racing. Only God knows how many young lives he may have saved by getting them off the streets and on to the strip where drag racing belongs. Did he "destroy" a couple of what are today highly collectable Daytona's...sure, did he enjoy these Daytona's ...you bet he did, as he used them as they were intended. Back in the day wingcars were nothing more than funny looking cars, some would have even said stupid looking. Most all of us that owned these cars back in the day never imagined that they would someday become so valuable...if we had...we would have kept them! I remember when I sold my Superbird I had in the back of my head that I would just buy another later on...unfortunately for me the later-on became "much" later and as a result I was priced out of the market. But, at least I had the opportunity to have fun with the one I did own. Anyone who puts Willie down because he enjoyed his cars just plain doesn't get it...and never will. It's easy to judge history through present day eyes.....hind sight is always 20/20. Let's forget about one person's short sighted hate towards someone he never met or really knew and get back to honoring the memory of an icon in the history of wingcars.........
Rest in Peace Big Willie...you deserve it
Quote from: hemigeno on June 29, 2012, 08:16:01 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on June 29, 2012, 08:04:54 AM
I don't think it's hate, I think it's just ordinary pot stirring.
:iagree:
As I said earlier guys, this is nothing more than trolling for the kind of responses that he's getting all-too-easily...
DON'T TAKE THE BAIT!!!!
Gene,isn't it about :smash: time yet ?
tom hoover stated when developing the hemi, they knew it was special and be revered. willie knew those cars was special, thats why he bought them to draw attention to his cause. you people on here act as if he was your wife or husband that died, many have never even met him, including myself. many of you never even mentioned his name a single time ever until he died, then its all what a shame, hes great, ect ect ect. he might have been i wont state what i cant confirm. i can confirm he was a car butcher, and destroyed almost ever single car he ever owned. his attempts to do whatever he was doing is a diff issue alltogether. 100% of you people who defend his car destroying days would fail a lie detector test on this subject of defence.
Quotetom hoover stated when developing the hemi, they knew it was special and be revered. willie knew those cars was special, thats why he bought them to draw attention to his cause. you people on here act as if he was your wife or husband that died, many have never even met him, including myself. many of you never even mentioned his name a single time ever until he died, then its all what a shame, hes great, ect ect ect. he might have been i wont state what i cant confirm. i can confirm he was a car butcher, and destroyed almost ever single car he ever owned. his attempts to do whatever he was doing is a diff issue alltogether. 100% of you people who defend his car destroying days would fail a lie detector test on this subject of defence.
what have you done for the hobby? i belong to the United Street Raceers. our club has been together since the 70's and we were inspired by Big Willie back then . i have built many race cars . i never thought that i butchered them . they were just cars . the Hemi is not my holy grail as it is yours . i like a 440 six pack car much more . of which i own several . which i've restored .
again, i ask you ,what have you done for the hobby?
:yesnod:
Quote from: wingcar on June 29, 2012, 11:12:00 AM
Most all of us that owned these cars back in the day never imagined that they would someday become so valuable...if we had...we would have kept them! .... But, at least I had the opportunity to have fun with the one I did own. Anyone who puts Willie down because he enjoyed his cars just plain doesn't get it...and never will.
Spoken like a guy 'that was there'. To the posters that weren't there, the 60/70s cars weren't to be kept nice so you could enjoy them today. There was no 'future'. They were daily transportation for 16 YO kids with little money. You drove them in ice, snow, rain, mud, heat, and cold...just like you do your car today. You didn't care about what they were or what they would become. When you got a little money, you yanked off original parts like manifolds, rims, hoods, and shifters and threw them away. You cut up cars for fender well headers. You cut up the dash for an 8-track or cassette. You cut original door panels for speakers. You spilled beer on the carpet. You burned holes in the seats from legal and illegal substances. You beat the hell out of them every Friday and Saturday night and sometimes on Sunday afternoons. Then you drove them to work on Monday.
You blew up engines, trannys and rear ends all in the name of having a good time. You laid on the hoods and scratched them at the drive in. And if you found a willing young lass, you appreciated the size of the rear seat or the versatility of a first gen Charger or fold down seat Duster. They were a car driven by kids. Nothing more and nothing less.
If Willie was a 'butcher'. I was a butcher and every other guy I knew was a butcher. And you know what? I'd go back and do it all over again and never care if any Daytona, Superbird, Hemi, AAR, 6bbl or 340 ever made it past 1980 so you could have one. IT WAS FRICKIN' FUN!
Butchers rule.
RIP Willie. I still have my Hot Rods from that era and went back and looked at the ads with you and the Dayona. Thanks man.
69coronetRT!!! :2thumbs: :cheers:
:notworthy: :notworthy:
Quote from: 69CoronetRT on June 29, 2012, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: wingcar on June 29, 2012, 11:12:00 AM
Most all of us that owned these cars back in the day never imagined that they would someday become so valuable...if we had...we would have kept them! .... But, at least I had the opportunity to have fun with the one I did own. Anyone who puts Willie down because he enjoyed his cars just plain doesn't get it...and never will.
Spoken like a guy 'that was there'. To the posters that weren't there, the 60/70s cars weren't to be kept nice so you could enjoy them today. There was no 'future'. They were daily transportation for 16 YO kids with little money. You drove them in ice, snow, rain, mud, heat, and cold...just like you do your car today. You didn't care about what they were or what they would become. When you got a little money, you yanked off original parts like manifolds, rims, hoods, and shifters and threw them away. You cut up cars for fender well headers. You cut up the dash for an 8-track or cassette. You cut original door panels for speakers. You spilled beer on the carpet. You burned holes in the seats from legal and illegal substances. You beat the hell out of them every Friday and Saturday night and sometimes on Sunday afternoons. Then you drove them to work on Monday.
You blew up engines, trannys and rear ends all in the name of having a good time. You laid on the hoods and scratched them at the drive in. And if you found a willing young lass, you appreciated the size of the rear seat or the versatility of a first gen Charger or fold down seat Duster. They were a car driven by kids. Nothing more and nothing less.
If Willie was a 'butcher'. I was a butcher and every other guy I knew was a butcher. And you know what? I'd go back and do it all over again and never care if any Daytona, Superbird, Hemi, AAR, 6bbl or 340 ever made it past 1980 so you could have one. IT WAS FRICKIN' FUN!
Butchers rule.
RIP Willie. I still have my Hot Rods from that era and went back and looked at the ads with you and the Dayona. Thanks man.
Yep! I sure remember buying that KRACO stereo package from Champion Auto to put in my '74. Well said guys!
P.S.- Don't feed the troll. It just emboldens them to say more stupid sh&t! F'n idiot! :nana:
So does this mean those of us who did actually meet him in person are entitled to point out that your texting style of trolling is just stupid? It's okay though, if your opinion of Willie is actually what you write, then it's stupid too.
again i will stand by my statement, he is a car butcher. if you and fellow alike think he stood for something so great, then why not donate your chargers of any condition to his cause, so he can acid dip them.
Quote from: dudedart on June 29, 2012, 10:37:03 PM
again i will stand by my statement, he is a car butcher.
And butchers rule. WE had fun.
Hail Willie! King of the Butchers!
Guys like you paid for rides just so you could be seen in our cars.
And we got these awesome investments for next to nothing back in the day. That meant we were able to butcher lots and lots of them so that little troll kids in the future would be denied the same opportunity.
:popcrn:
donate your car to be acid dipped, then i will call you a butcher also, did you donate yet ? im waiting ? maybe it will get someone off the street if you donate your car to be destroyed, let me know when you contributed to a cause you feel so strongly. how about that donation.
Quote from: Ghoste on June 29, 2012, 10:51:47 PM
And we got these awesome investments for next to nothing back in the day. That meant we were able to butcher lots and lots of them so that little troll kids in the future would be denied the same opportunity.
how about you dingus, did you donate your car to the cause ?
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: I did troll. I crushed, crashed, butchered, modified, torched and ruined so many cars you couldn't even begin to count them and I did it all knowing I would be ruining it for little dudes like you in the future. ::)
Quote from: Ghoste on June 29, 2012, 11:42:29 PM
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: I did troll. I crushed, crashed, butchered, modified, torched and ruined so many cars you couldn't even begin to count them and I did it all knowing I would be ruining it for little dudes like you in the future. ::)
then your a car butcher also. i bet your a liberal, also im not a dude, educate yourself alil.
Educate myself? You can't even use proper sentence stucture and I need to educate myself. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: dudedart on June 29, 2012, 11:51:06 PM
then your a car butcher also.
Butchers rule! WE had fun.
Guys like you gave up milk money for our gas.
Quote from: Ghoste on June 29, 2012, 11:42:29 PM
I crushed, crashed, butchered, modified, torched and ruined so many cars........
Quote from: dudedart on June 29, 2012, 11:51:06 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on June 29, 2012, 11:42:29 PM
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: I did troll. I crushed, crashed, butchered, modified, torched and ruined so many cars you couldn't even begin to count them and I did it all knowing I would be ruining it for little dudes like you in the future. ::)
then your a car butcher also. i bet your a liberal, also im not a dude, educate yourself alil.
Ok, now Im totally confused. You say you are NOT a dude yet your screen name is Dudedart AND your email address is scott_dorris in it, right? :slap:
Did Big Willie invent the practice of acid-dipping car bodies? :slap:
Quote from: resq302 on June 30, 2012, 12:20:31 AM
Quote from: dudedart on June 29, 2012, 11:51:06 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on June 29, 2012, 11:42:29 PM
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: I did troll. I crushed, crashed, butchered, modified, torched and ruined so many cars you couldn't even begin to count them and I did it all knowing I would be ruining it for little dudes like you in the future. ::)
then your a car butcher also. i bet your a liberal, also im not a dude, educate yourself alil.
Ok, now Im totally confused. You say you are NOT a dude yet your screen name is Dudedart AND your email address is scott_dorris in it, right? :slap:
Hermaphrodite :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy:
If I had the money I would build a old AF/X 1965 altered wheelbase Dodge with a FI 426 Hemi!!! And ACID DIP THAT MOTHER!!!!! Dudedart you are as dumb as they come! That's what made Mopars great if everybody had pampered them there would be no legend there!?
Quote from: Indygenerallee on June 30, 2012, 08:23:40 AM
If I had the money I would build a old AF/X 1965 altered wheelbase Dodge with a FI 426 Hemi!!! And ACID DIP THAT MOTHER!!!!! Dudedart you are as dumb as they come! That's what made Mopars great if everybody had pampered them there would be no legend there!?
Wouldn't you want to acid dip it "first" then build it ? :scratchchin: ;D
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If I had the money I would build a old AF/X 1965 altered wheelbase Dodge with a FI 426 Hemi!
1964 . it will be finished by my birthday . july 25 . i hope. :cheers: :cheers:
:smilielol: :lol: :smilielol: :lol:
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Here is a "butchered" car I would love to own!!!!!!!
ok so NASCAR IS A CAR BUTCHER ,NHRA IS A BUTCHER--- WOULDENT YOU LIKE TO BE A BUTCHER TOO---------------TO THE DART TWITT,1980 I TOOK A FACTORY GTS 383 DART,CUT THE REAR WHEEL WELLS TO CLEAR MY BUTCHER SIZED TIRES,CUT THE INNER FENDERS TO RUN MY BUTCHER HEADERS,DROVE THE CRAP OUT OF IT,the only thing i regret is that i sold the car
also i am butchering my 68 charger as we speak,& thanx to the DART MORON,i now have a name to plaster on the side of my CHARGER------------------------------THE BUTCHER------- :smilielol: :smilielol:
Actually, the very act of driving a car is butchering it. You're wearing the car out just by driving it. There are only so many miles that a car can last.
People called me out on using my 69 Charger R/T SE triple black car to build a Daytona clone. Since the conversion, the car has been driven more in the last two years than it had in the twenty years prior.
I'm fortunate to have been a teenager just as the musclecars were being sold for cheap. We would buy a car for $500, drive the crap out of it and then go buy another. We never had a clue that these cars would be worth what they are today. We assumed that they would be worth less and less each year and would eventually end up in salvage yards.
Do you ever wonder what happened to all of the tri 5 cars? They were cut up by the thousands and raced at every little dirt track in every little town in the country. Same for the Chevelles. It was their cars. They paid for them and they had evey right to cut them up.
hotrod, you make a very accurate and interesting point.
I hauled 13 foot long boxes home in the trunk of my bird when it was new,because i did not have a truck.It's my car ,ill do what i want with it.You did not help me pay it,but you can bring a box full of money and it can be yours so you can sit and look at it and tell every body YOU SAVED IT. Rick. :nana: :nana: :nana: :icon_smile_dissapprove:
STICKERS WITH SOUTHERN PRIDE :smilielol:
Awesome picture! I can imagine hearing that Charger doing the burnout! The Butcher, gotta love that!
Quote from: cdr on July 01, 2012, 11:35:38 AM
WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO BE A BUTCHER TOO---------------
Butchers rule...
Quote from: 69CoronetRT on July 01, 2012, 12:47:40 PM
Quote from: cdr on July 01, 2012, 11:35:38 AM
WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO BE A BUTCHER TOO---------------
Butchers rule...
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how's this for a butcher job, back in 84 my best friend found a blue w/ white stripe 69 Barracuda formula S notchback 383 4spd. car sitting in a field with no powertrain, he put a built 440 in it and we cut it up to fit the fenderwell headers ! he tossed the original hood in place of a 4 pin lift off hood. :brickwall: Trashed the original front seats and console installed blue 71 charger high back buckets with a pistol grip short shifter. The car was sold in 1988 and has since been completely restored to perfect original condition, i forget how many were made but he was told how rare it was after he sold it. :eek2:
:eek2:
:puke:
you guys are hurtin' my head (Not in a good way), might as well be watching some drama show, at least there would be chics with bagage or alternatively play with cars... or talk about dem.
The DodgeCharger.com reality show brought to you live each day. :lol:
Quote from: Ghoste on July 03, 2012, 12:44:38 PM
The DodgeCharger.com reality show brought to you live each day. :lol:
:slap: :2thumbs:
The great Mr. Willie died a month and a half ago, but this thread wont. :eek2:
Quote from: dudedart on June 28, 2012, 10:06:55 PM
oh yes he did some good things, i suppose. never met him , so i couldnt as well as many others here say for certain what type of attitude he had, if that make you a decent person. however the fact remain he is, was and always will be a car butcher.
OK big willie was my friend, hero and a great person that is sadley missed by many people he touched in life, you are an idiot if you think willie was wrong for modifying HIS daytonas the way he wanted them, go on and admit after the 3rd or 4th original daytona, roadrunner, duster or yugo dont they seem boring ? you are really going to hate my 28000 mile superbird after i finish it, MY WAY. They are just cars, stupid !
QuoteOK big willie was my friend, hero and a great person that is sadley missed by many people he touched in life, you are an idiot if you think willie was wrong for modifying HIS daytonas the way he wanted them, go on and admit after the 3rd or 4th original daytona, roadrunner, duster or yugo dont they seem boring ? you are really going to hate my 28000 mile superbird after i finish it, MY WAY. They are just cars, stupid !
Don from our club owns big willie's Daytona . i wish i had a chance to meet the man . :cheers: :cheers:
There's a story on Big Willie in the new Traditional ROD and Kulture Illustrated
magazine Summer 2012 issue 30...
I just noticed there are no taillights in the Queen, was it always run that way or was it just like that the day that photo happened to get taken?
Looks like there are round trailer tail lights on the very outside of each tail light opening, kinda weird?
Yes, but still plated.
And?
And, the "Brotherhood of Street Racers" car which Willie was keeping plated but it looks like in his lightening efforts he removed the regular taillights to install those other lights. Was he flat towing the car to the strip, is it a temporary thing, was it driven on the street that way. Just wondering.
Also missing a rear bumper too which I think is required by law.
BREAKIN THE LAW,BREAKIN THE LAW
Quote from: cdr on July 31, 2012, 03:16:22 PM
BREAKIN THE LAW,BREAKIN THE LAW
First a 'butcher' now a 'law breaker'.
:2thumbs: :cheers:
Quote from: 69CoronetRT on July 31, 2012, 05:09:50 PM
Quote from: cdr on July 31, 2012, 03:16:22 PM
BREAKIN THE LAW,BREAKIN THE LAW
First a 'butcher' now a 'law breaker'.
:2thumbs: :cheers:
:smilielol: :2thumbs:
He was a true die hard racer, he probably removed the parts for weight savings or something... :Twocents:
Quote from: cdr on July 31, 2012, 03:16:22 PM
BREAKIN THE LAW,BREAKIN THE LAW
Judas Priest baby, brings back the 70's to mind..
Quote from: Budnicks on July 31, 2012, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: cdr on July 31, 2012, 03:16:22 PM
BREAKIN THE LAW,BREAKIN THE LAW
Judas Priest baby, brings back the 70's to mind..
WELL you got it lol i was wondering how long it would take
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CEsQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DRNJYHD3gjXo&ei=hXAYUPz6Eaby0gHA9oDoCQ&usg=AFQjCNEcvwlNyU0iJOZ3NasCR9pYXvrTcQ
Quote from: Budnicks on July 31, 2012, 06:47:48 PM
He was a true die hard racer, he probably removed the parts for weight savings or something... :Twocents:
Oh I would have no doubt that was his intention. If you are going to acid dip a car then other items become necessary to remove as well. I find the taillights intersting in particular though because I thought he had always left those components on his cars.
Quote from: Ghoste on August 01, 2012, 09:01:55 AM
Quote from: Budnicks on July 31, 2012, 06:47:48 PM
He was a true die hard racer, he probably removed the parts for weight savings or something... :Twocents:
Oh I would have no doubt that was his intention. If you are going to acid dip a car then other items become necessary to remove as well. I find the taillights intersting in particular though because I thought he had always left those components on his cars.
:iagree:
I think I got a new name for the Dart..... :2thumbs: "The Butcher"...Preciate dat "dude", as i know my grammer is off, but we's get dee point across anyway, just like Big Willie" did.
Quote from: Cooter on August 01, 2012, 11:07:39 AM
I think I got a new name for the Dart..... :2thumbs: "The Butcher"...Preciate dat "dude", as i know my grammer is off, but we's get dee point across anyway, just like Big Willie" did.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,91757.msg1056727.html#msg1056727
Quote from: cdr on July 31, 2012, 06:58:03 PM
Quote from: Budnicks on July 31, 2012, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: cdr on July 31, 2012, 03:16:22 PM
BREAKIN THE LAW,BREAKIN THE LAW
Judas Priest baby, brings back the 70's to mind..
WELL you got it lol i was wondering how long it would take
:shruggy: I was wrong it was 1980 :RantExplode:
Picked up that issue today.
Did not know there was a flip front end on Queen Daytona.
FYI , Story is continued in the next two issue's.
I have met Willie many of times and raced at the Brotherhood Raceway Park 3 nights a week. When it was open you couldnt find a street race anywhere. A total success, which gave us kids a safe place to race. There were few rules and it was open all night long. You could even set someone out car lengths and do a flashlight start, just like on the street. It was closed since it didn't fit into the plan for Terminal Island. Remember Willie was a Veteran that was wounded in action to protect the freedom of this great country and continued that effort to make the streets safer for us and the general population. I say a big thank you to Willie for the good times. RIP.
Oh by the way, no one has mentioned the appearance of King Daytona in the beginning of Two Lane Blacktop. Wicked burnout!!
We have talked about it many other times though and you're right, wicked burnout!
Quote from: wingcarenvy on August 01, 2012, 11:58:21 PM
I have met Willie many of times and raced at the Brotherhood Raceway Park 3 nights a week. When it was open you couldnt find a street race anywhere. A total success, which gave us kids a safe place to race. There were few rules and it was open all night long. You could even set someone out car lengths and do a flashlight start, just like on the street. It was closed since it didn't fit into the plan for Terminal Island. Remember Willie was a Veteran that was wounded in action to protect the freedom of this great country and continued that effort to make the streets safer for us and the general population. I say a big thank you to Willie for the good times. RIP.
Oh by the way, no one has mentioned the appearance of King Daytona in the beginning of Two Lane Blacktop. Wicked burnout!!
Amen to all your points, I've meet him a few times & had raced at Brotherhood Raceway Terminal Island, many moons ago now... He was a very good man & a Vet... may he
rest in peace....