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Title: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Dano 1 on November 13, 2019, 04:43:08 PM
I've got my flame-suit at the ready for this one but figured it was worth bringing up for discussion...I've heard enough stories of fender tags being stolen at car shows etc. to be concerned about displaying my car with its mint condition original tag. I'm an engineer using CAD software/3D printing on a daily basis and try to find as many unique applications for the technology as possible working on my cars. My fender tag solution was to create a 3D CAD model of my tag and 3D print it for display purposes; it should look good enough to the average person or mopar enthusiast who likes to check out options at a show but not be worthwhile to steal. I was trying to walk the tightrope of not trying to pass this off as the real-deal while making it look good enough for display.

3D Model:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49061498001_1c9774fc64_b.jpg)

Printed tag ready for paint:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49061717927_a894aec734_b.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49061497871_45a4580c60_b.jpg)

My initial thought was to open this up to other people who wanted an inexpensive display-only fender tag that they didn't have to worry about being stolen, but still looked reasonably accurate for show purposes. Is this opening a massive can of worms that should be left alone? I really don't want to have any association with anyone even attempting to fraudulently represent a car but to me these tags aren't close enough to pass as the real deal, they're not even made of metal.

*flame-suit on* Anyone have thoughts?  :popcrn:
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Troy on November 13, 2019, 06:31:30 PM
It's definitely not going to fool anyone... ;)

Honestly,if I worried about anyone stealing mine I'd just take it off (or glue it on). Maybe put the info on one of those sign boards.

I think it's neat but not sure of the usefulness. If you're intent on making a 3D copy, try to get the letters filled in instead of just an outside wall and work on making the base smoother (not sure which slicer you're using). Also, PLA doesn't like heat so it will likely flatten itself out after a nice drive or a weekend at the Nationals.

Troy
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: stripedelete on November 13, 2019, 10:15:30 PM
Looks better than the pencil rub I was considering. Put me down for one.

It might be fun to mess with some of the experts by including some mutually exclusive codes.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Kern Dog on November 13, 2019, 11:14:15 PM
I'd buy those!
I lost the tag to my XP and never got one with the XH so I'd like to use a custom one with fake codes to reflect the NON stock changes that I made.
E93 for the 493 engine for starters....
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Mopar Nut on November 14, 2019, 05:05:10 AM
I'd buy one too.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: smithenhiven on November 14, 2019, 06:47:33 AM
Try printing that in a resin based printer rather than an extruder, Im sure then it would come out closer to paint ready.  If you dont have one, there's places that will print and mail for a small fee.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: tan top on November 14, 2019, 07:08:32 AM
Quote from: Dano 1 on November 13, 2019, 04:43:08 PM
I've got my flame-suit at the ready for this one

:lol: that funny  :yesnod:

  interesting idea !  looks ok !  :yesnod:
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: 66FBCharger on November 14, 2019, 07:24:20 AM
I like it!
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: garner7555 on November 14, 2019, 07:37:23 AM
My car is a 318 XP car that is now a pro touring car, so I would also like a bogus tag with non-existent codes on it just to be funny.  That's a good idea Kern Dog.      :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Dano 1 on November 14, 2019, 08:38:23 AM
Thanks for the positive response guys I was prepared for the worst.

Troy - There's definitely room for improvement in the quality, this was first pass with geometry and settings etc. I printed this one at work on our Stratasys F-series printers in ABS @.005" layer thickness. I think I can improve the fill of the letters and corner radii a bit with some geometry tweaks to make it look a bit more presentable. Printing in ABS allows for vapor polish post processing which i think would smooth things out pretty well, that's the next step. Good point on heat resistance too, ABS should be better than PLA.

smithenhiven - I plan on getting a small resin based printer in addition to an FDM style for that exact reason. Resin printing comes with its own set of challenges but the print quality is definitely way better.

The idea for custom codes is great, I hadn't thought about that! This is part of a larger side-business I'm in the process of establishing so once I get everything set up I'll happily take orders. The benefit to 3D printing these is you can very easily make any letter/code/geometry you want with simple CAD changes and print them quickly/cheaply.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Kern Dog on November 14, 2019, 09:36:40 AM
Quote from: garner7555 on November 14, 2019, 07:37:23 AM
My car is a 318 XP car that is now a pro touring car, so I would also like a bogus tag with non-existent codes on it just to be funny.  That's a good idea Kern Dog.      :2thumbs:

Thanks...
My intentions would be to reflect the changes in a way that does not come across as deception.
If the tag isn't stock appearing and the option codes are numbers the factory never used, it would not appear like I am lying or trying to clone anything.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Homerr on November 14, 2019, 03:28:56 PM
I like it.  I'd personally even go one further and after the END code put something like 'COPY' or 'REPRO'.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: stripedelete on November 14, 2019, 07:32:11 PM
Or

GET YOU RHA NDS OFF MYC ARD
IRT BAG
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Dano 1 on November 14, 2019, 07:52:08 PM
I like the idea of adding a clear mark to designate it as a repro, just in case someone who REALLY didn't know what they were looking at came across one.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Mopar Nut on November 15, 2019, 05:54:23 AM
Or one of these.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: XS29L9Bxxxxxx on November 16, 2019, 06:52:10 PM
Agreed, that tag ain't fooling anyone.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Homerr on November 17, 2019, 10:54:42 AM
Quote from: XS29L9Bxxxxxx on November 16, 2019, 06:52:10 PM
Agreed, that tag ain't fooling anyone.

They'll get better though, give it a year or three.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Dano 1 on March 16, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
Bringing this one back from the dead a bit with progress. I ended up switching my printing method from filament based to resin based with MUCH better results. I'm getting close to offering these up for sale to anyone interested, I'm thinking $40 for a pair of tags (one for the car & one for the wall or just a backup) and can be customized to show any combination of options, original or not.  I'm still playing around with how to add 'display only' or similar text to eliminate the ability to pass one of these off as real but at the end of the day it's made of plastic. This project has become part of a side business I'm putting together to bring 3D printing technology to the classic car world so stay tuned for some more info on that as well.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49667549682_33362674e2_b.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49667268096_7b8c2a6e38_b.jpg=)
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: CRW-FK5 on March 16, 2020, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: Dano 1 on March 16, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
Bringing this one back from the dead a bit with progress. I ended up switching my printing method from filament based to resin based with MUCH better results. I'm getting close to offering these up for sale to anyone interested, I'm thinking $40 for a pair of tags (one for the car & one for the wall or just a backup) and can be customized to show any combination of options, original or not.  I'm still playing around with how to add 'display only' or similar text to eliminate the ability to pass one of these off as real but at the end of the day it's made of plastic. This project has become part of a side business I'm putting together to bring 3D printing technology to the classic car world so stay tuned for some more info on that as well.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49667549682_33362674e2_b.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49667268096_7b8c2a6e38_b.jpg=)
They look very good.  I am interested.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Kern Dog on March 16, 2020, 04:12:50 PM
Me too. The font and spacing look different enough to not look like you are trying to misrepresent anything.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Mopar Nut on March 16, 2020, 04:27:56 PM
 :drool5:
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Wakko on March 16, 2020, 06:33:20 PM
Someone should add a ZL1 or LC9 code to mess with people's heads. 
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Alaskan_TA on March 16, 2020, 06:48:24 PM
Earlier you said;

QuoteI really don't want to have any association with anyone even attempting to fraudulently represent a car

Now you say;

Quote from: Dano 1 on March 16, 2020, 03:51:28 PMI'm thinking $40 for a pair of tags (one for the car & one for the wall or just a backup) and can be customized to show any combination of options, original or not. 

So pick one or the other, the second option leads to fraud.  :Twocents:
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: DAY CLONA on March 16, 2020, 07:26:20 PM
 ::).....o'brother
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Dano 1 on March 16, 2020, 07:31:24 PM
Thanks for the feedback everyone, I have a bit more actual under-hood testing I want to do to make sure the resin behaves itself at higher temperatures but I'm optimistic.

Alaskan_TA - I completely understand what you're saying and the way you quoted my posts does appear to show two very different attitudes. What my intention was in bringing this idea up here first was to get everyone's help to figure out how to offer what I think is a pretty neat product without crossing any legal/ethical lines. This is why I'm looking at different ways to add "display only" language to further prove that these are not intended to be factory tag replacements but merely affordable representations for the safety of your original tag or to display something when the original tag was lost.  My comment about options being original or not was intended for people who may have added a stroker or tremec 6-speed and want to have fun creating their own option codes to match the modification they've done to their car, not to help a scammer create a hemi 4-speed r/t from a 318 shell.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: DAY CLONA on March 16, 2020, 07:35:35 PM
Quote from: Dano 1 on March 16, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
This project has become part of a side business I'm putting together to bring 3D printing technology to the classic car world



Very NICE! indeed, the latest revision looks very well executed, ignore the naysayers and numbers police, looks like it could become a good niche market product, lots of people looking for unique or personalized fender tags

Mike G
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: VegasCharger on March 16, 2020, 11:35:33 PM
Quote from: DAY CLONA on March 16, 2020, 07:35:35 PM.....ignore the naysayers and numbers police.....

:iagree: :iagree:

After all it's just a FRIGGIN' nameplate, you know a data tag. I never seen or heard a cop asking you to pop the hood so he/she can inspect the fender tag. Some cars are missing their original fender tag, is that misrepresentation of the vehicle? They are attached with phillips head screws and are easy to remove unlike a pop-riveted VIN plate hiding under the windshield (in most cases). Cops only care about the VIN tag not a fender tag or a build sheet.

:cheers:
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Challenger340 on March 17, 2020, 01:40:30 AM
Nice project  :2thumbs:

That said,
if you are worried about someone stealing your original Fender Tag ?   Why not just leave your Hood down at car shows ?
just say'in 2 things....
1. WTF good is a Fender tag with NO car to match ? "oh lookee here Grog, I gotta data tag for a '69 dodge"
and
2. I never understood why people open their hoods at Car shows anyways ?
I don't open my hood at show-n-shines etc., and if someone wants a 'Boo they can come see me, ask, and then I'll supervise.    Lots of people do, not a problem... then closed again.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Challenger340 on March 17, 2020, 01:49:28 AM
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on March 16, 2020, 06:48:24 PM
Earlier you said;

QuoteI really don't want to have any association with anyone even attempting to fraudulently represent a car

Now you say;

Quote from: Dano 1 on March 16, 2020, 03:51:28 PMI'm thinking $40 for a pair of tags (one for the car & one for the wall or just a backup) and can be customized to show any combination of options, original or not. 

So pick one or the other, the second option leads to fraud.  :Twocents:

I would tend to agree very simply because always the slippery slope... and always someone trying to misrepresent, unfortunately it just seems to be human nature ?
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Homerr on March 17, 2020, 10:06:09 AM
The problem here would probably be at a point of sale, not a car show. 

A noob being shown an engine code for a hemi could believe it.  But I still support figuring out some way to make these happen.  And getting a 3d printed tag isn't really going to stop a motivated fraudster from getting out an X-acto knife to cut off 'display only' on a plastic tag.

Maybe instead of raised letter, do it in depressed letter font.

But, of course, Comic Sans font is the only real answer.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: 6pkrtse on March 17, 2020, 02:50:25 PM
I think they are pretty cool. Good way to store the original and just use one of there on the street/cruise nights/shows.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Nacho-RT74 on March 17, 2020, 03:22:17 PM
Venezuelan Mopars never got any kind of fender tag because all were optioned the same on every year, just being different on colors combo to each other, so at the end I built my car with all options I have been able to add or change being not "restricted" by a fender tag. Maybe I could play with that just for fun. But by now I'm not able to pay $40 for that.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Bronzedodge on March 17, 2020, 05:24:18 PM
I believe the point some were trying to make....

Say someone wants you to make a tag for their J code 69 Charger.  Then they find some snowflake fish with more money than brains and sell them a 318 Charger with one of your tags.   The buyer, while uniformed, has money for a good lawyer.  In our over-litigious society, you get named in the court proceedings.  Maybe it's a long shot, but you might need a method to protect yourself.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: DAY CLONA on March 18, 2020, 08:02:30 AM
Quote from: Bronzedodge on March 17, 2020, 05:24:18 PM
I believe the point some were trying to make....

Say someone wants you to make a tag for their J code 69 Charger.  Then they find some snowflake fish with more money than brains and sell them a 318 Charger with one of your tags.   The buyer, while uniformed, has money for a good lawyer.  In our over-litigious society, you get named in the court proceedings.  Maybe it's a long shot, but you might need a method to protect yourself.




I'd think any litigation would hover around the fabricated/attached VIN tag on that scenario, rather than a plastic/resin fender tag which has no context in legally defining the vehicle's identity
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Dano 1 on March 18, 2020, 10:26:09 AM
Thanks for all the feedback, guys I value everyone's opinion.

Quote from: Bronzedodge on March 17, 2020, 05:24:18 PM
I believe the point some were trying to make....

Say someone wants you to make a tag for their J code 69 Charger.  Then they find some snowflake fish with more money than brains and sell them a 318 Charger with one of your tags.   The buyer, while uniformed, has money for a good lawyer.  In our over-litigious society, you get named in the court proceedings.  Maybe it's a long shot, but you might need a method to protect yourself.

Bronzedodge you hit on my #1 fear with this whole endeavor. My hope would be by including 'display only' or 'reproduction' language on the tag I would remove any personal liability but I may need to check with an expert on that one. Still someone could buy a tag and modify it to remove that language but my assumption would be that at that point they would own the liability since they modified the product and essentially removed the disclaimer.

Day Clona and others make valid points about the fender tag not being integral in the legal identity of the car the same way the actual VIN plate is. If someone were trying to pass off a plain Jane 318 car as a hemi 4-speed they'd have to do a lot more work than just getting a plastic fender tag.

I'm going to mock up some designs with additional language and see how they look, stay tuned!
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Kern Dog on March 18, 2020, 12:03:44 PM
Thank you. I am interested.   :yesnod:
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: 70 sublime on March 18, 2020, 01:00:14 PM
Your tag is made from plastic so there is no way anyone can say that is factory original and claim anything on it as being 100 % anything
If you have a crappy half rotten out original and get a plastic one made that matches and looks good that is fine
If you get a fantasy plastic tag made to match the new colour on your car ( or what ever changes ) so what
If I get a chunk of cardboard and a pen and say my car has a hemi does that make it real ???

I think you are good just because the tag is plastic in the first place
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Kern Dog on March 18, 2020, 03:19:34 PM
I'm with you on that, Sublime....
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Mopar Nut on March 19, 2020, 12:22:40 AM
Those are cool.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Pat1973charger on March 20, 2020, 06:41:12 PM
I'd consider something like this for my car. The tag was so rusty it was not legible and when I attempted to remove it it basically crumbled. I know enough from clues of the car to pretty much put together a tag that would represent it well enough. It would be nice to just have something there as I find it "completes" the
Look of the engine compartment. I actually saved one from a 69 New Yorker I just stripped I was going to slap that on there just for looks if it came down to
It.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Charger_Dart on March 22, 2020, 08:52:46 AM
I agree, it kind of finishes off the engine compartment. My Dart didn't have a tag on it when I bought it and it would be nice to have something on the inner fender where those 2 holes are!
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Dano 1 on March 24, 2020, 07:23:21 PM
Alright here we go, some branding to make sure no one gets confused about the intent here. The text can either be raised or cut into the surface, I think it might be marginally harder for someone to cut/grind raised letters off than to just fill de-bossed letters with bondo or similar filler. Thoughts/comments/concerns/feelings?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49695767926_ed004e75c6_b.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49696073642_fffd54e369_b.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49696073647_1cbaeb8b67_b.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49696073672_c32d62b9d6_b.jpg)
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: CRW-FK5 on March 24, 2020, 07:42:17 PM
Either way.  I prefer top location over side.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: 70 sublime on March 24, 2020, 10:15:14 PM
I am not a fan of the extra reproduction or display only part
Could you just add one more code after the END code say NOT which stands for non original tag ?
Everyone knows that the END is factory but the NOT would make it different but not interfere too much with the original feel

Just my 2 cents worth 
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Kern Dog on March 24, 2020, 10:29:04 PM
I am probably biased or unable to give an impartial view but to me, the different font and the fact that it is plastic should be enough to avoid the impression of fraud.
Maybe newbies or idiots would be fooled but not the Mopar guys that I know.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: TexasStroker on March 25, 2020, 02:55:29 AM
I think a lot of people would gladly buy a set, even with "dispaly only" or some other disclaimer given the fact so many fender tags are in such rough shape.  I've seen lots of folks go for high end restos and they wind up having a big eye sore with rusted thru, gummed up fender tags.  Would also be cool for the people who legitimately don't have tags...whether they were lost in the 70s, a body shop junked them, who knows...just completing the car and filling the holes would be a perk.

Like Kern and a few others I'd personally be more interested in adding my own option codes and subtle messages.

On a different side of the equation...I think BIG versions would be really welcome for show and display.  I'm talking 4" x 6" versions that someone could overlay there, have on the dash, in a framed display etc.  That makes the font HUGE and easier to read for those interested who may not have the best eye sight.  That also keeps people from scratching fenders.

8" x 10" would be cool for a plaque size to go in the shop, or office.  I wouldn't even mind having the Charger script on it etc.  Lots of possibilities on that front, although using the nameplates and logos would definitely open the door for legal issues...unless you license them, which likely prices the tags out of most people's budget.

I'll definitely keep following along...also interested to see what else you print.  I don't have access to one, but I always wanted to try and print the center vents...seems like it could be done, tested, and then easily marketed.  Keep me in mind for that one  ;)

Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: 69 500 on March 25, 2020, 05:55:55 AM
 why would you even waste your time?? some people have to figure out for them selves what is or is not a waste of time, don't know how much money you have invested in equipment but I believe in the end you efforts will go the same way the Edsel did. 
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Homerr on March 25, 2020, 12:32:28 PM
My vote is for one 'DISPLAY ONLY' at the top, and then replace the second one with 'Dano1.com' or whatever your URL is.  This would make it super obvious that this is an internet era item and in no way original.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: DAY CLONA on March 25, 2020, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: 69 500 on March 25, 2020, 05:55:55 AM
why would you even waste your time?? some people have to figure out for them selves what is or is not a waste of time, don't know how much money you have invested in equipment but I believe in the end you efforts will go the same way the Edsel did. 


Maybe your "view" on the subject matter is "narrow"?....


Many possibilities here for these tags other than just mounting them on an inner fender, some (myself included) want some custom tags in plastic made for other purposes..... makes for a cool key chain/ring attachment, esp if you have a lot of cars and have no designated identity for your various key sets, and depending on what Dan is willing/able to print, would make for one really cool "business card"  :scratchchin: ;) for a high end repeat customer/shop... and depending on how affordable Dan can make these, I'm sure there will be plenty of Mopar guys who would spring for a plastic tag repro style or custom, esp when they find out the cost of a metal repro tag, and the hoops you need to jump thru to obtain one, even a custom metal tag starts at over $100+ depending on what you want it to say... the list of ideas for these tags are only limited to one's imagination, so pissing on his effort isn't really cool man  :slap:




Mike
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Kern Dog on March 25, 2020, 06:09:53 PM
Quote from: 69 500 on March 25, 2020, 05:55:55 AM
why would you even waste your time?? some people have to figure out for them selves what is or is not a waste of time, don't know how much money you have invested in equipment but I believe in the end you efforts will go the same way the Edsel did. 

We all appreciate your stunning ray of sunshine. Must be great to be your neighbor... :hah:
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: 69 500 on March 25, 2020, 10:59:58 PM
 
   well thats my opinion and I believe its a waste of time , realistically if he sells a 100 ill be surprised. and kern dog im glad you have seen some light .
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: FastbackJon on March 25, 2020, 11:55:54 PM
The plastic tags look cool and won't rust. However...

1) Making a false tag to display on your car doesn't feel right. Some people find interest at shows in looking at how other cars are optioned from the factory and assume they are looking at factory tags. I look at other 1968 Chargers for example to see when they were built and how they were optioned to use as a reference for making my car original. The 1968+ cars don't have the punch card service that the earlier ones do to verify original options so that increases fraud potential.

2) If you are worried about tag theft, a pair of long stainless phillips machine screws and lock nuts with washers would still look original from the top and keep someone from just backing the screws out to grab the tag.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: TexasStroker on March 26, 2020, 11:09:11 PM
Didn't think of the key fob route...that is another good use for them.

Outside of other Charger people, which are pretty rare among most crowds, the most interest I see in tag readers is someone trying to knock someone else's car.  Every show has that one guy who scans his phone real quick to figure out what letter of the VIN designates the motor etc., and then proceeds to stand by said car and let everyone know it is "fake" and "not real" while his prized buick skylark continues to draw no attention.

Color, motor, and trans...that is what 95% of people will figure out and then gripe/gloat about.  Don't believe I've ever had anyone come up and ask about any other singular option.  Is that a...1-HEMI, 2-Six Pack,  3-R/T, 4-real 440, 5-really the factory color?  That sums up almost everything.  You don't get many, "So I noticed this is an H51 car, but you don't have air conditioning installed...why is that?" or "Tell me more about the heavy duty suspension!"

I still like the tags as a novelty for a lot of us, and just a genuine fill-in for cars that don't have the tags, or have tags that are in terrible shape. The OP printing display/repop on them should ease the mind of anyone concerned.  I'd still lean towards fake codes and rude messages for gawkers, but that is just me.  "NOT A NOVA" would be a nice plug-in for the Duster  :lol:
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Kern Dog on March 26, 2020, 11:32:06 PM
Not a Nova....That is a classic.
A buddy had a 71 Challenger. He'd get people complimenting him on his Camaro or Firebird.
Nobody seems to mistake the Charger for a Chevelle BUT I do hear THIS:

Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: TexasStroker on March 26, 2020, 11:38:02 PM
That is one perk with the Charger...it tends to avoid disparaging comparisons.  The Charger/Challenger thing has become increasingly more common the last 10 years.

The Duster has been called a nova so many times I don't even correct people anymore...I just smile and die a little inside, lol.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Ghoste on March 27, 2020, 05:25:02 AM
Its better than being called a GTO.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Homerr on March 27, 2020, 12:45:26 PM
What if part of the deal was that Dano 1 published each tag he made on a website (or here) if the buyer didn't provide a photo or pencil rubbing of an original tag?
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: DAY CLONA on March 27, 2020, 02:17:08 PM
Quote from: Homerr on March 27, 2020, 12:45:26 PM
What if part of the deal was that Dano 1 published each tag he made on a website (or here) if the buyer didn't provide a photo or pencil rubbing of an original tag?



That opens a sticky door for the following 1: The tag/registry Nazis fixation with another individuals personal information and what they do with it, 2: violating an owners confidentiality by publicly posting it, 3: losing a sale because an individual will not agree to those terms, regardless of their intent with the tag, or the nature of the information on it

Keep in mind there is no legal ramifications regarding a fender tag, bogus or not, the fender tag does not legally define the vehicle, that is left to MSO's, VIN tags and titles
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: v21hemicharger on March 27, 2020, 10:08:29 PM
Years ago at MATS in vegas there was a guy who had a machine that was making 2/3 size fender tags perfect for key chain.  I bought one for My Demon Sizzlers but didn't have any tag info for other cars.  Never saw him again.  I'd pay $20 each for 2/3 size key chains.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: gtx6970 on March 29, 2020, 10:27:41 AM
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on March 16, 2020, 06:48:24 PM
Earlier you said;

QuoteI really don't want to have any association with anyone even attempting to fraudulently represent a car

Now you say;

Quote from: Dano 1 on March 16, 2020, 03:51:28 PMI'm thinking $40 for a pair of tags (one for the car & one for the wall or just a backup) and can be customized to show any combination of options, original or not.

So pick one or the other, the second option leads to fraud.  :Twocents:

with a plastic fender tag ? really ?
these things aren't going to fool anyone .

I might be interested in one just to put on the car .
maybe add a line across the top stating
' Copy of the original tag thats stored for safe keeping '
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: DAY CLONA on March 29, 2020, 01:13:18 PM
Quote from: gtx6970 on March 29, 2020, 10:27:41 AM
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on March 16, 2020, 06:48:24 PM
Earlier you said;

QuoteI really don't want to have any association with anyone even attempting to fraudulently represent a car

Now you say;

Quote from: Dano 1 on March 16, 2020, 03:51:28 PMI'm thinking $40 for a pair of tags (one for the car & one for the wall or just a backup) and can be customized to show any combination of options, original or not.

So pick one or the other, the second option leads to fraud.  :Twocents:

with a plastic fender tag ? really ?
these things aren't going to fool anyone .




Agreed, they aren't going to fool any auto enthusiast serious in purchasing a vehicle with one, regardless of how well they're made... but any time you mention any paperwork or tags, etc, etc of any type being reproed either for replacements or novelty, the "Anti repro Document/Tag Nazis" come oozing out of the woodwork to condemn any and all actions along with tales of doom and gloom, legalities, ethics and other sky falling prophecies  
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Just 6T9 CHGR on March 29, 2020, 01:20:31 PM
Quote from: v21hemicharger on March 27, 2020, 10:08:29 PM
Years ago at MATS in vegas there was a guy who had a machine that was making 2/3 size fender tags perfect for key chain.  I bought one for My Demon Sizzlers but didn't have any tag info for other cars.  Never saw him again.  I'd pay $20 each for 2/3 size key chains.

Yeah I bought one for my Charger a long time ago through the mail I believe.  Forgot the guys name..
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Ghoste on March 30, 2020, 05:23:26 AM
A key tag one would be a nice novelty to have also.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Dano 1 on April 06, 2020, 04:13:01 PM
Great discussion everyone, progress has been slow with the day job and all the virus issues but I've been working on coming up with a final design I'm happy and comfortable with.

I think what I've decided on is a combination of "Display Only" and my website at the top of the tag to denote the intent/nature of the tag. It'd be pretty darn hard for anyone to remove this language without trashing the rest of the tag, the material is pretty hard and doesn't typically cut clean.

The larger, display plaque style tags are a neat idea and may work better on my FDM printer vs. the resin but I'll give both a shot. I really like the keychain idea as well, those could easily be made with the same process as the full scale versions so I'll work on mocking one of those up as well.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49744153517_34e93b1c23_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49743282208_92d5329ece_z.jpg)
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Mopar Nut on April 06, 2020, 04:19:37 PM
Looks great!
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: TexasStroker on April 06, 2020, 04:32:33 PM
Quote from: Mopar Nut on April 06, 2020, 04:19:37 PM
Looks great!

x2!  Looking forward to the progress on key fobs and plaques!
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Homerr on April 06, 2020, 05:26:57 PM
Nice work!
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Kern Dog on April 06, 2020, 06:14:37 PM
Great work. I do like the smaller font size for the DISPLAY ONLY.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: ACUDANUT on April 07, 2020, 01:17:46 AM
Quote from: FastbackJon on March 25, 2020, 11:55:54 PM
The plastic tags look cool and won't rust. However...

1) Making a false tag to display on your car doesn't feel right. Some people find interest at shows in looking at how other cars are optioned from the factory and assume they are looking at factory tags. I look at other 1968 Chargers for example to see when they were built and how they were optioned to use as a reference for making my car original. The 1968+ cars don't have the punch card service that the earlier ones do to verify original options so that increases fraud potential.

2) If you are worried about tag theft, a pair of long stainless phillips machine screws and lock nuts with washers would do the trick.

"2) If you are worried about tag theft, a pair of long stainless phillips machine screws and lock nuts with washers would do the trick.
[/quote]"   Use rivets. Plain and simple.[/b]
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Tom68 on April 08, 2020, 01:03:28 PM
May I offer another perspective?

A potential buyer that is fooled by something so obviously different than anything else on the car, (texture, material, color, etc) can be fooled by any number of things.

Given a corrupt seller trying to deceive,  he wouldn't need a fender tag. 

It just seems the combination of a "Charger-naïve" buyer and a corrupt seller will end in fraud with or without a fake fender tag.  Any buyer with even a casual knowledge of Chargers will not be fooled by that tag.

I like the tag idea and once my 68 R/T is restored and running, I'd definitely be interested in one.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: 66FBCharger on April 08, 2020, 03:24:24 PM
Quote from: Dano 1 on April 06, 2020, 04:13:01 PM
Great discussion everyone, progress has been slow with the day job and all the virus issues but I've been working on coming up with a final design I'm happy and comfortable with.

I think what I've decided on is a combination of "Display Only" and my website at the top of the tag to denote the intent/nature of the tag. It'd be pretty darn hard for anyone to remove this language without trashing the rest of the tag, the material is pretty hard and doesn't typically cut clean.

The larger, display plaque style tags are a neat idea and may work better on my FDM printer vs. the resin but I'll give both a shot. I really like the keychain idea as well, those could easily be made with the same process as the full scale versions so I'll work on mocking one of those up as well.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49744153517_34e93b1c23_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49743282208_92d5329ece_z.jpg)

I like it. I would buy one!
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Dano 1 on April 09, 2020, 08:43:15 AM
Thanks for all the positive feedback everyone! I am working on generating a structured order form for these and once that's done I'll start taking orders for anyone interested.

I played around with a keychain version and I think 2/3 scale works the best. Obviously the "Display Only" language would be removed on these, otherwise I think they look pretty neat.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49753166396_00c276b8ce_z.jpg)
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: keepat on April 09, 2020, 04:51:36 PM
Receive my new fender tag today and could not be happier! Great job Dan, Thank you!
Pat

(https://i.postimg.cc/gJMQ5S4Q/F1-CF18-CB-4-C0-B-40-D2-9-D9-E-7-A931-FDD50-F4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KkM0356D)


(https://i.postimg.cc/1z0ZWrk1/CB920-FB0-886-C-4-DC9-B803-F84-CF0-A486-A4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kV5ZGKMT)
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: ACUDANUT on April 09, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
WHY DO WE NEED THE ALFABIT ON THESE. ARE WE ALL RETARTED. :shruggy:
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Homerr on April 09, 2020, 08:53:26 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 09, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
WHY DO WE NEED THE ALFABIT ON THESE. ARE WE ALL RETARDED. :shruggy:

FTFY, so yes.   :pity:
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: keepat on April 09, 2020, 09:01:15 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 09, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
WHY DO WE NEED THE ALFABIT ON THESE. ARE WE ALL RETARTED. :shruggy:

I'm clearly retarded as I have all the letters of the alphabet and it should only be 19 on the top row and 23 on the bottom ;-)
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: mel t on April 09, 2020, 11:26:50 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: HANDM on April 10, 2020, 01:54:03 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 09, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
WHY DO WE NEED THE ALFABIT ON THESE. ARE WE ALL RETARTED. :shruggy:

I wouldn't say you're retarded, iliterate maybe but not retarded... ::)
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: TexasStroker on April 10, 2020, 01:55:52 PM
Very nice keepat!  Exactly how I would use the tag to highlight key elements.

2/3 does look good for the key fob.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Dano 1 on June 28, 2020, 08:38:43 PM
Wow it's been too long since I updated on this. I hate to beat a dead horse but Covid caused a supply issue for raw material and isopropyl alcohol (used to clean the prints) which threw a wrench in the printed fender tags. I've been able to order resin and alcohol recently so these are officially a GO for anyone who is interested.

If you'd like to get an OEM or custom tag done shoot me an email through my work account- dan@nextgendesignsnc.com. I'm going to sort through my PM's and get back to anyone who reached out that way. Thanks for the patience!
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Kern Dog on June 28, 2020, 10:17:11 PM
 :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: westcoastdodge on December 22, 2021, 05:49:07 PM
received my fender tag today,looks great,better than my rusted out mess
cheers Dan
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Mopar Nut on December 23, 2021, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: westcoastdodge on December 22, 2021, 05:49:07 PM
received my fender tag today,looks great,better than my rusted out mess
cheers Dan
Did you only get one or a pair? Do you have the link, I lost the link I had when I purchased from him before.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: westcoastdodge on December 23, 2021, 12:58:41 PM
Quote from: Mopar Nut on December 23, 2021, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: westcoastdodge on December 22, 2021, 05:49:07 PM
received my fender tag today,looks great,better than my rusted out mess
cheers Dan
Did you only get one or a pair? Do you have the link, I lost the link I had when I purchased from him before.
Hi Mopar,Dan sends out a pair :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Mopar Nut on December 24, 2021, 01:50:40 AM
Quote from: westcoastdodge on December 23, 2021, 12:58:41 PM
Quote from: Mopar Nut on December 23, 2021, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: westcoastdodge on December 22, 2021, 05:49:07 PM
received my fender tag today,looks great,better than my rusted out mess
cheers Dan
Did you only get one or a pair? Do you have the link, I lost the link I had when I purchased from him before.
Hi Mopar,Dan sends out a pair :2thumbs:
Thank you.
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: Dano 1 on December 26, 2021, 08:07:41 PM
That came out great Westcoast, I'm glad your tags made it safely and finished so well.

Mopar Nut, got your PM you can also email me at dan@nextgendesignsnc.com
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: kent on December 27, 2021, 06:01:31 AM
Mine turned out great ! Thanks and Merry Christmas Dan!
Title: Re: 3D Printed Fender Tags
Post by: 472 R/T SE on January 07, 2022, 03:48:29 PM
O the joys of owning a clone/tribute car.

My cars rare in its factory garb but I thought it needed a stroker Hemi and Gear Vendors.
You factory freaks falling overself to let me know its not an original Hemi car are the goofiest and why I got away from factory restorations, lol.

My photoed fender tag thats laminated gets abused by the head shakers.  FFS, its got the hole for the cabin air motor on the firewall, wtf am I trying to fool, lol.