The other post had mentioned it was on chargers.But this picture is from my friends 69 RT Coronet
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,21787.msg237142.html#msg237142
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/100_3154.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/BlueFirewall.jpg)
I found this picture saved on my computer.Not sure if you can see that firewall plug on the prototype
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/1968_500_RED_03.jpg)
How about one on the rear beside hole for harness,any others?Or is all this a OOPS by the stamper.
UFO, where is that a pic of?
behind the rear bumper.
wierd, I have 2 but they are caps, and big...
How early are these in production? I recall a post a while back showing some really early examples with the extra hole by the wiper motor.
Found another R/T car......early build date 8/3/68
The B5 blue one that Dave posted above has a 9/16/68 build date.....
Hrese the firewall of the 100039 R6 R/T mag ad car... 7/28/68 build date
Seems to have a few extra holes....
Another R/T 8/29/68 build date
(1) ----383 2bbl car 8/1/68 build date
(2)---383 4bbl 8/15/68 build date
So far the latest I have pics of is the 9/16/68 B5 one pictured above.....
so there is more cars with the unexplained plastic plug , good finds :popcrn:
I wonder if any of the gurus outside our little group know anything?
That red 68 firewall 100039 R6 R/T mag ad car... 7/28/68 build date
Seems to have a few extra holes.It makes me think that they might of been ahead of themselves ???.Not only do you have the unexplained hole.You have the vacuum headlight hose& tach hole shown on the firewall .And what been have been the implied hole where the 70 charger electric wires go in.As they already had electric headlights in 66??
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on December 23, 2006, 06:37:20 AM
Hrese the firewall of the 100039 R6 R/T mag ad car... 7/28/68 build date
Seems to have a few extra holes....
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22093.0;id=32788;image)
The three holes to the right, driver's side, of the bulkhead connector are the vacuum hose opening, the lower one is the cruise control (where typically the tach grommet goes) and then the other is the tach... I'm still bewildered concerning the big one next to the wiper motor.... I had a picture of a Daytona optioned with cruise and tach... But, can't find it.. Dave, I think you sent it to me once......
I have to look through all my pictures .I know I have a build sheet copy for the most options Ive seen on a 440 daytona.And that car had no dealer destination.It was a dodge executive car according to the daytona shipment list
Side question here, but Chris, what seems be the the earliest batch of Chargers for 69? I'm guessing it is august 1st right?
Quote from: 69_500 on December 23, 2006, 07:51:06 PM
Side question here, but Chris, what seems be the the earliest batch of Chargers for 69? I'm guessing it is august 1st right?
Danny ther earliest I have is the 100039 car which is 7/28/68
Next I have is 100893 which is 8/1/68
Hmmm, but all of the other cars posted with that mystery hole and the plug are pretty early cars. Are they all B plant cars? Or some G as well?
Just wondering if it was limited to one plant, and at one time period or what.
All Hamtramck cars Danny....the latest I have is the 9/16/68 B5 blue one pictured
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on December 23, 2006, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on December 23, 2006, 07:51:06 PM
Side question here, but Chris, what seems be the the earliest batch of Chargers for 69? I'm guessing it is august 1st right?
Danny ther earliest I have is the 100039 car which is 7/28/68
Next I have is 100893 which is 8/1/68
Is the 00039 the advertisement car? That car is here in the Houston area....... Supposedly the pre-production R4 R/T.....
I'll let Chris say for sure, but I do recall the car 039 as being the one people thought was the poster car. Also the earliest Charger built, that is known of.
thats what I remember about it anyways.
chris, you have mine already #145XXX. build date 9/18
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 24, 2006, 10:33:08 AM
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on December 23, 2006, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on December 23, 2006, 07:51:06 PM
Side question here, but Chris, what seems be the the earliest batch of Chargers for 69? I'm guessing it is august 1st right?
Danny ther earliest I have is the 100039 car which is 7/28/68
Next I have is 100893 which is 8/1/68
Is the 00039 the advertisement car? That car is here in the Houston area....... Supposedly the pre-production R4 R/T.....
Yeah Troy that is the R6 dark red R/T that ios reported to be the same car that Chrysler used in the 1969 ads. It was for sale a while back for like 50k all disassembled.
I have some pics of her.
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on December 24, 2006, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 24, 2006, 10:33:08 AM
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on December 23, 2006, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on December 23, 2006, 07:51:06 PM
Side question here, but Chris, what seems be the the earliest batch of Chargers for 69? I'm guessing it is august 1st right?
Danny ther earliest I have is the 100039 car which is 7/28/68
Next I have is 100893 which is 8/1/68
Is the 00039 the advertisement car? That car is here in the Houston area....... Supposedly the pre-production R4 R/T.....
Yeah Troy that is the R6 dark red R/T that ios reported to be the same car that Chrysler used in the 1969 ads. It was for sale a while back for like 50k all disassembled.
I have some pics of her.
didn't that charger have all the seams leaded over in the door jams from the factory , or am i thinking of some thing else:-\
Maybe???
Heres a pic
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on December 24, 2006, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 24, 2006, 10:33:08 AM
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on December 23, 2006, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on December 23, 2006, 07:51:06 PM
Side question here, but Chris, what seems be the the earliest batch of Chargers for 69? I'm guessing it is august 1st right?
Danny ther earliest I have is the 100039 car which is 7/28/68
Next I have is 100893 which is 8/1/68
Is the 00039 the advertisement car? That car is here in the Houston area....... Supposedly the pre-production R4 R/T.....
Yeah Troy that is the R6 dark red R/T that ios reported to be the same car that Chrysler used in the 1969 ads. It was for sale a while back for like 50k all disassembled.
I have some pics of her.
cool.... I've touched/seen her.. I'm supposed to help with the restoration. It's owned by a fellow Houston club member..........
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 25, 2006, 12:45:52 PM
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on December 24, 2006, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 24, 2006, 10:33:08 AM
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on December 23, 2006, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on December 23, 2006, 07:51:06 PM
Side question here, but Chris, what seems be the the earliest batch of Chargers for 69? I'm guessing it is august 1st right?
Danny ther earliest I have is the 100039 car which is 7/28/68
Next I have is 100893 which is 8/1/68
Is the 00039 the advertisement car? That car is here in the Houston area....... Supposedly the pre-production R4 R/T.....
Yeah Troy that is the R6 dark red R/T that ios reported to be the same car that Chrysler used in the 1969 ads. It was for sale a while back for like 50k all disassembled.
I have some pics of her.
cool.... I've touched/seen her.. I'm supposed to help with the restoration. It's owned by a fellow Houston club member..........
Sweet! Get your bud to register the car. The previous owner registered the car already (Steve) Would like to have the new owners info :cheers:
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on December 26, 2006, 08:49:37 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 25, 2006, 12:45:52 PM
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on December 24, 2006, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 24, 2006, 10:33:08 AM
Quote from: Just 6T9_CHGR.... on December 23, 2006, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: 69_500 on December 23, 2006, 07:51:06 PM
Side question here, but Chris, what seems be the the earliest batch of Chargers for 69? I'm guessing it is august 1st right?
Danny ther earliest I have is the 100039 car which is 7/28/68
Next I have is 100893 which is 8/1/68
Is the 00039 the advertisement car? That car is here in the Houston area....... Supposedly the pre-production R4 R/T.....
Yeah Troy that is the R6 dark red R/T that ios reported to be the same car that Chrysler used in the 1969 ads. It was for sale a while back for like 50k all disassembled.
I have some pics of her.
cool.... I've touched/seen her.. I'm supposed to help with the restoration. It's owned by a fellow Houston club member..........
Sweet! Get your bud to register the car. The previous owner registered the car already (Steve) Would like to have the new owners info :cheers:
I'll surely ask him the next time we get together......
Troy
My 69 318 car has it , it's 107118
Per my reply in the General Section, here's a pic of '69 100039.... Production date of July 28, 1968
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22402.0;id=33234;image)
I'll be going to look at 110614 here in a week, and I'll post a photo of its engine comparment.
Here is 102493 with a build date of August 6th.
Quote from: Aussiemadonmopars on January 02, 2007, 06:17:44 AM
Here is 102493 with a build date of August 6th.
Hey Aussie... If you can, what's the part number on that plug? Wanna make sure we use the proper one..
Thanks.
Troy
102493 has it,and 102459 does not? Hmmmm...? ???
Hold the phone!
Aussie, your 102493 was a "G" code St. Louis built car correct? If so yours would be the first with this hole at the St. Louis plant
Man now there is a few questions arising in my mind. I thought that it was only the B plant cars that had the hole. Now someone threw a wrench in the works, and put a G car photo up with the hole too.
At that time how big of a time gap are we talking for B and G plant cars? I know later on the G plant was at like 286xxx while the B plant was in the 400xxx range. Were they a lot closer earlier in the year?
:o so a 69charger from ST Louis (G) assembly plant has surfaced with odd fire wall plug this has confused things :confused:
Yep definitely from the 'G' plant.
Quote from: 69_500 on January 02, 2007, 06:22:21 PM
Man now there is a few questions arising in my mind. I thought that it was only the B plant cars that had the hole. Now someone threw a wrench in the works, and put a G car photo up with the hole too.
At that time how big of a time gap are we talking for B and G plant cars? I know later on the G plant was at like 286xxx while the B plant was in the 400xxx range. Were they a lot closer earlier in the year?
Yes Danny in the beginning of production, both plants were neck & neck.
Around roughly October of '68 the "G" cars were about a month ahead of the "B" cars
By Nov 68 they were more than 2 months ahead...
By December 3 months......
By feb of 69 they were 4 months.....
Latest "G" plant car I have is 7/9/69 (307441)
Closest VIN # "B" plant car was buitl 2/28/69 (307895)
And only one duplicating VIN so far right?
Quote from: 69_500 on January 05, 2007, 06:27:50 PM
And only one duplicating VIN so far right?
Yep...only one so far :thumbs:
By the way I'm still digging through the many photo's I took at the Nats that year, to see where the photo of that cars VIN is. To give you a definate answer on the VIN and fender tag you questioned me about a few months back.
see that on any nameplate other than a Charger?.
What the hole in the firewall? Or the duplicating VIN's?
I believe that someone posted a photo of a Superbee with the same hole.
mine doesn't have it, 9-04-68 build date. 128084 seq number
Troy,
No luck with the number on that plug, we've lost it somewhere, probably gone by now.
Regards,
Phill.
been seeing a few more with these holes , thought be good to post them all in the same thread !! i know its the aero section but it contained the largets hole thread ;D....
this one on ebay now ! :yesnod:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-dodge-charger-/330611743183?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4cf9fed9cf
plus a few more
vins are on pictures if known :yesnod:
:popcrn:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,64278.25.html
Wow, is this thread still going?
Maybe... Could the hole be for something on the 3 speed wiper motor option, wiring chase hole maybe? Just guessing here, the firewalls were used in many different body styles, including wagons, maybe something for the wagon & all the vacuum or electrical... Just spit-balling, I don't have any references... Cruise control electrical... Maybe just an access hole for getting to a clip, wire, clamp, bolt or something while at assembly plant production line... Alignment hole for assembly equipment to install the fire wall... Something for a Slant 6 equipped car, linkage, wiring, vacuum hose, etc ????
:popcrn: none here
So much for my theories, those photos show "no hole" with 3spd wiper... Oh well..
as promised / mentioned , in my post in the other thread :P, below
i know its in the aero section , thought best to ad it to this thread ( mods feel free to move or :cheers:)
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,111938.0.html ,
the file I made , 69 chargers , with the mystery firewall plug , with SPDs & vins , was lost last year when computer blew up ,
below is all I have left , sorry :icon_smile_blackeye:,
a few pictures that i saved on disc , before i started properly making a file etc , did have most of these with vins & fender tags etc, in the file i lost .
if any one recognises their car etc feel free to post up the first three numbers of the sequential & or the SPD date , or PM them to Ghoste :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
:popcrn:
no Vin 5 might be B101708 ,
:popcrn:
:popcrn:
:popcrn:
:popcrn:
It sure would be nice to figure this one out wouldn't it?
Quote from: Ghoste on October 18, 2014, 09:30:59 AM
It sure would be nice to figure this one out wouldn't it?
Yep !!
nother one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Charger-S-E-/171934029219?forcerrptr=true&hash=item28081115a3&item=171934029219
My 69 Coronet 500 Convertible has it, 830 build date, nothing special on the car.
Quote from: hergfest on September 15, 2015, 02:46:49 AM
My 69 Coronet 500 Convertible has it, 830 build date, nothing special on the car.
oh right thanks for the input :cheers:
, nother coronet :scratchchin: whats the SPD date ? thinking a early build :scratchchin:
I've been interested in the mystery hole more so because (as far as I've heard) no one knows the answer. At least here and so far.
From all I've seen their is no reason for it on our cars so it must have been a mistake. A plug for the hole would save a lot of investment in stamped parts making them usable. :slap:
One thing has to be--someone knows why and how it happened (unless they all died) :eek2: And frankly if the final answer were to come out it would spoil the fun of the question. :lol:
I seen it on 69 coronet rt
What is directly behind the hole under the dash ?? maybe an option in there they needed access too
Quote from: moparstuart on September 17, 2015, 08:10:48 AM
What is directly behind the hole under the dash ?? maybe an option in there they needed access too
If it was a production sequence thing where the dash was already in when they hooked something up - what could it be? Also, they could have changed the assembly sequence at some point to eliminate this issue.
So, do the mystery hole cars have any of these options in common?
Tic Toc Tach
no tachometer
Rear speaker
Rear window defogger
Power windows
Radio, solid-state AM
Radio, Astrophonic AM
Radio, solid-state AM/FM
Radio, solid-state AM w/ tape player
Console w/ courtesy light
Light package A01 - trunk, glovebox, headlight-on warning buzzer, map, time delay ignition, instrument panel ashtray
Note that A47 Special Edition cars came with the Light Package.
Pretty basic 69 Coronet RT on page 1 picture post.Not sure the prototype 68 charger 500 may have had this hole to
Quote from: Homerr on September 17, 2015, 11:06:24 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on September 17, 2015, 08:10:48 AM
What is directly behind the hole under the dash ?? maybe an option in there they needed access too
If it was a production sequence thing where the dash was already in when they hooked something up - what could it be? Also, they could have changed the assembly sequence at some point to eliminate this issue.
So, do the mystery hole cars have any of these options in common?
Tic Toc Tach
no tachometer
Rear speaker
Rear window defogger
Power windows
Radio, solid-state AM
Radio, Astrophonic AM
Radio, solid-state AM/FM
Radio, solid-state AM w/ tape player
Console w/ courtesy light
Light package A01 - trunk, glovebox, headlight-on warning buzzer, map, time delay ignition, instrument panel ashtray
what got me thinking about it was the little hold in our doors where the small body plug in it , so you can get the the wing window assemble fastener .
the one under the door up front
If it's an assembly process thing, why did it not exist in 1968?
Differences in model year, government regulations?
1968 Light Package, Code 355 only had these lights: glove box, trunk, ignition, map
Not sure about this one, source said it was a 1969 Charger 500.
Quote from: tan top on September 15, 2015, 01:46:59 AM
nother one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Charger-S-E-/171934029219?forcerrptr=true&hash=item28081115a3&item=171934029219
:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
Just looked at that listing!
69 Light Group was the same.
Quote from: Ghoste on September 17, 2015, 12:26:16 PM
69 Light Group was the same.
Not quite the same.
1968:
(http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1968/68_Charger0016.jpg)
1969, see * at bottom:
(http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1969/69_Charger0017.jpg)
Headlight on buzzer is new: http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/charger/1969-press-release.html
QuoteThere are new vinyl roof and exterior color offerings; engineering innovations ranging from manual tilt seat adjuster and .easier-reach door lock buttons to improved automatic brake adjusters and "headlight on" warning buzzer.
Here's the buzzer, where does it live?
Quote from: Homerr on September 17, 2015, 11:48:33 AM
Not sure about this one, source said it was a 1969 Charger 500.
thats ones in a different place wouldnt even see it with a three speed wiper motor
Just a guess here, but it is at least POSSIBLE that the mystery hole was intended for use on cars equipped with Sales Code P45 Power/Vacuum Deck Lid Release. You can see from the '69 Dodge Dealer Data Book for Taxi applications that this option's switch was mounted on the instrument panel. S/C P45 was also available on other 1969 models including Plymouth & Dodge B-body coupes, 2&4 door sedans, and convertibles -- as a "Limited Option" (have no idea what that means). It was apparently available in 1968 too - although I don't know the D-series Sales Code reference or any specific model availability details.
Looking at it logically, it would be an easy run from the instrument panel switch location, through the firewall (right about where the mystery hole is) over to the intake manifold vacuum tree. If they started pre-stamping the hole early in the '69 model year, someone probably realized that it took more cumulative time to install a grommet on the vast majority of cars that did NOT have this option, than it would have taken to drill the holes for the few that did.
Incidentally, and just to be clear, S/C P45 was NOT available on '69 Chargers (I have my own theory on why), but the firewall stamping was the same across the B-body line IIRC.
Again, this is just a guess. Your mileage may vary.
:Twocents:
If that were the case it would be for a single vacuum line no Geno? That's a HUGE hole for 1 vacuum hose!
I've wondered if that hole was originally intended for the vacuum lines? Perhaps a change was made to use the other location after many panels were stamped. :scratchchin:
If this were true their may be evidence of drilling or other method of punching the normally/only used location for the vacuum lines.
That could be. :scratchchin:
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on September 17, 2015, 07:34:48 PM
If that were the case it would be for a single vacuum line no Geno? That's a HUGE hole for 1 vacuum hose!
:yesnod: :iagree:
Strange as it may seem...
The rubber plug in the mystery hole is the same used for the vacuum lines to go through the firewall for Charger headlight doors.
P45 is the best explanation I have heard. The button for that would have been mounted inside the glove box, does this make sense for where the hole is in the firewall? I used to have a 69 New Yorker that had that would be interesting to see how that was routed.
Quote from: Homerr on September 17, 2015, 12:43:06 PM
Here's the buzzer, where does it live?
I dunno where it is exactly under the dash ? but I guess I could go look if you pm and remind me ?
All I know is mine still works..... I hardly ever drive mine at night and never use the headlights, but this past spring I turned on the headlights just to check everything over, then forgot and turned the engine off.... "Bzzzzzzzz", which confused me for a second, until I remembered the headlights were still on.
BTW,
Mine is a 69 R/T SE, Nov 23rd 1968 build date, and it has
NO HOLE beside the 3 spd W/S motor, which I think was the original intent of this thread ?
Quote from: Homerr on September 17, 2015, 12:43:06 PM
Here's the buzzer, where does it live?
mine was mounted adjacent to the left side of the fuse box , with the connector/ wires facing the the inside of the dash fame , there is a hole through the bottom of the dash frame , for the screw :yesnod: see yellow arrows
Yes, that's where mine is as well. I'm leaning to the vacuum hole for a different B-body theory. There could have been an issue with the primary die at the stamping plant and they used the vacuum hole die to make sure the plants didn't go down. The could have had a stack of firewalls go to the wrong assembly area (could there be a Satellite taxi forum out there with a thread right now puzzling over why some of their cars have a drilled hole for the center vacuum line instead of punched?).
:yesnod: yeah could well be , power deck lid release :scratchchin: interesting ........ be interesting to see some real life engine bay shots , doubt there are any 4 door -b-bodys taxis left :scratchchin: ........... :popcrn: police cars might have them :shruggy: