Found some pics of this destroyed 500 over on moparts looks an awful lot like the one I found by me in a storage lot.
Put a front clip on and it will buff right out....
Someone posted pics of that little beauty a while back...said he bought some trim parts from it, but the owner didn't wanna sell the rest.
The bottom 2 are the ones close to me and this one.
is it not for sale or what?
Tom
Yeah that was me, Guy won't even talk about selling the whole car but somedays he will sell parts of it. Guy is a moron!!!
Is this in FL?
Man some people... I guess let her rust into a pile.... :rotz:
Quote from: jwilk01 on December 08, 2005, 04:25:04 PM
Yeah that was me, Guy won't even talk about selling the whole car but somedays he will sell parts of it. Guy is a moron!!!
I guess it would have been good of me to read your first post all the way though, huh? :brickwall: ;D
I'd say it seems to be the same car. It would be hard to duplicate the crinkled left fender, among other things.
Didn't you get the rear window trim from it?
Anyway to get the VIN information from that car, so that 20 years from now when it shows up at a show restored and someone claiming to be the origional owner can be shot down.
All the vin tag, fender tag, core support are all gone on the car.
yeah the guy let me get the trim off of it, but that was all I could get off of it. Most everything else was rusted together.
Later
Josh
The Vin number is also on the trunk lip. See if he will let you open up the trunk, and look.
wouldn't you hate yourself if you were the person that did that to the car? (wrecked it) knowing what they are worth today...
Quote from: jwilk01 on December 08, 2005, 06:27:35 PM
All the vin tag, fender tag, core support are all gone on the car.
yeah the guy let me get the trim off of it, but that was all I could get off of it. Most everything else was rusted together.
Later
Josh
What about the rear window trim? I'd like to get it if it's for sale still............
Troy
Ah look at ya just trying to corner the market aren't ya. JK
Didn't he already sell the rear window trim? Or just post that he had gotten it off of the car.
Yeah I sold it about 2 months ago. I opened the 2 piece trunk lid because the latch had rusted off. The lip was completely rusted, as light as they put that stamp on there it was completely rusted away. It is a very sad sight, I tried to get the tail light trim and tail lights out of it but all bolts are rusted together. Looks like the car has sat for at least 15-20 years, wonder what happen in that accident (drunk driving, bad weather, run a light).
Later
Josh
I hope you grabbed the rear window moldings!
What about just trying to get the rear window, I mean the glass. Would love to have an extra sitting around.
If you had a torch to melt the lead,hammer and chisel you could take the window plug out glass and all.There are only a few welds holding it in. That car took it hard from right to left and back
I'm feeling a lot better about my 500,after seeing that one!
Now Pete your 500 couldn't have been in that bad of shape was it?
Quote from: 69_500 on December 11, 2005, 08:55:59 PM
Now Pete your 500 couldn't have been in that bad of shape was it?
:popcrn:
No,69 500,mines not that bad.It's a typical New England Charger,that was redone a few times,during the eighties,and ninties. It needs the following parts of the body replaced,trunk floor,trunk extensions,rear quarters,tail panel(drivers side outter corner was wacked at one point)rear valance,and corners,outter wheel wells,drivers side floor pan,and passengers side door jamb(from accident at one point).To look at the car,one would think it is in pretty good shape,but under a mid ninties Y2 yellow paint job(that still looks pretty good),theres a lot of work to be done! The window plug is very nice,as are the pillar moldings!The window and moldings are in good shape also!
That car will probablyl show up one day as a numbers matching,found the original engine at my neighbors house kinda thing.
Quote from: chargervert on December 12, 2005, 05:41:19 PM
No,69 500,mines not that bad.It's a typical New England Charger,that was redone a few times,during the eighties,and ninties. It needs the following parts of the body replaced,trunk floor,trunk extensions,rear quarters,tail panel(drivers side outter corner was wacked at one point)rear valance,and corners,outter wheel wells,drivers side floor pan,and passengers side door jamb(from accident at one point).To look at the car,one would think it is in pretty good shape,but under a mid ninties Y2 yellow paint job(that still looks pretty good),theres a lot of work to be done! The window plug is very nice,as are the pillar moldings!The window and moldings are in good shape also!
Glad it's in your hands.. If there's anyone out there to rescue her, it's you........
Troy
Well heck if it is still wearing a pretty decent 90's painjob, you should get it out some times, and let people like me stare at it. :)
Hey 69 500,I'm probably gonna post some pics of the dry run of the nosecone soon. I throw a few pics in of the rear of the car also.
Sweet. :yesnod:
I'm always up for more 500 pics.
I might be able put up atleast 2 500 pictures from around here
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 24, 2005, 01:34:27 AM
I might be able put up atleast 2 500 pictures from around here
Oh,, pretty please...... Oh wait, let's make a "Show us your C500" thread......
Troy
If you do that, you will get the 70 and 71 500's in there too. :icon_smile_big:
Better make it the "Show us your 1969 Charger 500" thread. ;)
huh, guess I learned something today, I always thought the rear window plugs on the 500's were fiberglass (like the side window plugs in the 3rd gen chargers)
Sad to see it such rotten (literally) shape, but I feel obligated to say it once again if it were not for cars like this, our cars would not exist... Just so sad to see something that rare that far gone.
:smilie_help:
The rear window plugs from 500s,Daytonas,and Superbirds were steel.The rear window plugs on Challenger SEs were fiberglass.
Here's a couple 500's. :icon_smile_sad:
Cool pics,you don't find too many of those in junkyards anymore!
Here's 2 more. One more coming
I dont find many 500s in junkyards as I used to.There is still a gold one I lost track off.Along time back a friend found a R4 hemi 500 in a trailer park in NJ.And that car today is in the Don Garlits collection.Some friends of mine up north of me have owned and sold several 69 500s .He may still have a bronze and red hemi 500 currently.Got to locate those pictures to put up
www.cuda1.com
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 26, 2005, 09:25:11 AM
I dont find many 500s in junkyards as I used to.There is still a gold one I lost track off.Along time back a friend found a R4 hemi 500 in a trailer park in NJ.And that car today is in the Don Garlits collection.Some friends of mine up north of me have owned and sold several 69 500s .He may still have a bronze and red hemi 500 currently.Got to locate those pictures to put up
The junk yard guys willing to sell them? or NO.
Quote from: PocketThunder on December 26, 2005, 09:30:39 AM
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I remember that one with the little kid. I think the car's long gone now. Believe it or not Paul, it's a T7/tan interior 440-4speed car.. He sent me some interior and engine compartment shots........
Troy
I was told there was a 69 500 in a yard in southern Rhode Island. I went to look for the car,but the guy who brought us through the yard,wasn't to keen on us seeing all of the cars he had.The place was like something out of Deliverance!!! There was a few wackos who live out there in the woods! I thought we were gonna loose Gary when one of them jumped out of the bushes,yelled at Gary,and drove off in an old truck that looked like it had been in the same spot for twenty years!!!! I told Gary, Burts not here to rescue you!!!! He won't hear your squeeling!!!!!I did see a Coronet 500 convertible,maybe the guy who gave me the info,confused that with a Charger 500,or maybe its still out there! We may have to sacrifice Gary to find out!
Quote from: chargervert on December 26, 2005, 09:38:55 AM
I was told there was a 69 500 in a yard in southern Rhode Island. I went to look for the car,but the guy who brought us through the yard,wasn't to keen on us seeing all of the cars he had.The place was like something out of Deliverance!!! There was a few wackos who live out there in the woods! I thought we were gonna loose Gary when one of them jumped out of the bushes,yelled at Gary,and drove off in an old truck that looked like it had been in the same spot for twenty years!!!! I told Gary, Burts not here to rescue you!!!! He won't hear your squeeling!!!!!I did see a Coronet 500 convertible,maybe the guy who gave me the info,confused that with a Charger 500,or maybe its still out there! We may have to sacrifice Gary to find out!
LOL
Some cars do get bought from junkyard.The green car is still out there getting restored I guess ,It was 210749 I think.Its shows as a known 500 on the list
Well Chargervert, you said yourself it was "south" Rhode Island. ;)
Those are some cool pics,pocket! that orange car,looks like the Daytona conversion was in the works! Dave,dose that VIN list have all 392 VINS on it? Ghost,them boys do things a little different in Hope Valley,it's like the West Virginia of R.I.
That was just the page with the junkyard car on it I might have some more laying around from older days .Im still looking into getting more pages similar to the daytona shipment list.That has 500s and dealers listings where they sold new from
Dave thats some cool info! you have to wonder how many of the 392 cars have survived! It still amazes me that 27 of the 28 70-71 Hemicuda convertibles survived!thats an amazing survival rate!That missing Green 70 Hemicuda vert may surface yet! I'm sure there are still some 500s,and Daytonas that people have that arent known to the Mopar world!
I know where one hemi convertible that was laying in my town I knew from the 80-s .Showed up in MCG the white red car with power windows. I think I have something on a green one somewhere in my records.Here is a older compilage of 69 charger 500s by a friend Jim Radke founder of the early winged warriors
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 26, 2005, 09:25:11 AM
I don't find many 500s in junkyards as I used to.There is still a gold one I lost track off.Along time back a friend found a R4 hemi 500 in a trailer park in NJ.And that car today is in the Don Garlits collection.Some friends of mine up north of me have owned and sold several 69 500s .He may still have a bronze and red hemi 500 currently.Got to locate those pictures to put up
I know of a gold one that came out of a junk yard. I believe it was in NY. It had a tree growing up through the engine compartment when my friend acquired it. It it still around, just not in very good shape.
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 26, 2005, 09:43:35 AM
Some cars do get bought from junkyard.The green car is still out there getting restored I guess ,It was 210749 I think.Its shows as a known 500 on the list
Cool... I see my C500 in the list.........
I know there's one after mine, 234928 which is a T7/T5 426 hemi 4-speed in Jersey I believe.. His broadcast sheet was found in my car.....
Troy
So is the list of the A/C and SE 500 something that you came up with Dave?
I have been trying to do that on my own now for the past 8 years. I haven't got quite the time put into it as you have over the years though. I think I have info on 160 or so 500's.
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 26, 2005, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 26, 2005, 09:43:35 AM
Some cars do get bought from junkyard.The green car is still out there getting restored I guess ,It was 210749 I think.Its shows as a known 500 on the list
Cool... I see my C500 in the list.........
I know there's one after mine, 234928 which is a T7/T5 426 hemi 4-speed in Jersey I believe.. His broadcast sheet was found in my car.....
Troy
Not me :-\ 214385
Ive seen that junkyard gold 500 with the white painted roof next to a silver 500.In upstate NY a while back .My friend has owned alot of 500s .and currently may still have 2 hemi 500s
Is there a recent list of 500s??
I think Danny (69 500) said he has 160 on his list..
Yeah I have right at 160 VIN's in my list, however on a lot of those cars that is all that I have is the VIN. ON about 70% of them, I have the VIN and an exterior, color and transmission. Others I have full fender tag info, full broadcast sheet info, and such. Some cars I have a broadcast sheet to, but haven't ever seen the car.
Quote from: 69_500 on December 28, 2005, 09:28:10 PM
Yeah I have right at 160 VIN's in my list, however on a lot of those cars that is all that I have is the VIN. ON about 70% of them, I have the VIN and an exterior, color and transmission. Others I have full fender tag info, full broadcast sheet info, and such. Some cars I have a broadcast sheet to, but haven't ever seen the car.
Oh whowe is me... To be fortunate enough to find my long lost broadcast sheet for Dana........
T
You don't have the right broadcast sheet for Dana? Or you didn't to begin with, but you do now?
Quote from: 69_500 on December 29, 2005, 05:09:25 PM
You don't have the right broadcast sheet for Dana? Or you didn't to begin with, but you do now?
Nope, I don't have mine.. According to the gent that restored the car in '85 and Mr. Govier, the broadcast sheet found in my car was that of the next sequential C500, a T7 tan 426 4speed version.. So, maybe Dana's original back seat is sitting in that T7 Hemi C500.. I believe it's not though. I remember chatting briefly with that owner a few years back and he didn't have one. Supposedly, the B.S found in my car was mailed off to Doug's father, the gentleman who started the Daytona-Superbird club back in the late 70's/early 80's......
Troy
I see, so Doug either has the buildsheet still or located the owner and passed it on, or Monroe passed it on to the owner before he passed away. John Pappas would be a better account for Monroe, as I didn't know him that well, but when he did talk to my dad when I was younger you always got the feeling he was a straightfoward and honest man.
So I'm positive that either the Daytona Superbird club still has the buildsheet, or the owner of the car has it, and that it didn't leave to go to anyone else's possession that wouldn't have proof they owned the car it belonged to.
Doesn't Govier have a big stash of 500 sheets as well?
Yeah I'm sure he has a stash of 500 broadcast sheets and such.
I know he would never release them but it is really too bad that all of those sheets couldn't be placed together in one central spot that would try and reunite them. Either a Charger specific thing like this or the Chrysler museum.
So if someone comes to him with positive proof of owning a car matching one of his broadcast sheets...he won't give it to them, or even sell it to them?? That's really lame. :down:
Oh no, no, no. Don't misunderstand me. Yes, Galen very much does try to reunite sheets with cars and he does NOT charge for that. My beef with Galen is that he is to be caretaker of all broadcast sheets from all cars. Let's face it, who has a better handle on where the current 500 are and which ones have their correct sheets than one or two people on this site.
Galen cannot be everywhere and he does not specialize in the one car and there are some people who won't deal with him for whatever reason. For the most part, he is probably the guy to look after them even if he does want to utilize the "free" service as a way to promote himself and thereby his "unfree" services. Fair enough. My point is that the 500's are a known issue especially regarding the broadcast sheets and in this instance, the hobby might be better served by him co-operating with others who whether he likes it or not, may know more about a specific niche of the hobby than he does.
Ok, thanks for setting me straight. I hear tales here & there about some of the things he does that aren't really cool for the average enthusiast to do...but to him, it's just fine & thought this might be another. :image_294343:
Quote from: Ghoste on December 31, 2005, 02:25:37 PM
My point is that the 500's are a known issue especially regarding the broadcast sheets and in this instance, the hobby might be better served by him co-operating with others who whether he likes it or not, may know more about a specific niche of the hobby than he does.
:iagree: Hopefully one day, he will see the wisdom in that & relax a little.
Well, it's his livelihod so I understand where his motivation comes from. And he does do a lot of good for the hobby too. I typically tend to be one of the people who rag on him but I'm in a good mood today. (I do have Hemi Cuda broadcast sheet that I'll save for some other day)
Whatever else I or anyone might say about Galen, I do believe that he really loves these old Chryslers.
I think he definatley serves a purpose in this hobby. I personally wouldn't send an extra broadcast sheet to a Charger to him. I think you'd have better luck through this board, or even the Winged Warriors which is a the national B body association. That or even though people like Wayne Wooten, or Dave patik.
I have 2 broadcast sheets here for 500's that I've had for quite a while, and never even had a car close to them that needs a broadcast sheet. Then again I do know of a lot of 500's that don't have a broadcast sheet at all, or have the wrong ones too. On many of those nobody knows of the second car at all other than for that broadcast sheet.
Quote from: 69_500 on December 31, 2005, 11:52:17 PM
I have 2 broadcast sheets here for 500's that I've had for quite a while, and never even had a car close to them that needs a broadcast sheet. Then again I do know of a lot of 500's that don't have a broadcast sheet at all, or have the wrong ones too. On many of those nobody knows of the second car at all other than for that broadcast sheet.
I bet those sheets ended up in regular R/T's or XP Chargers (or some other B-bod) that went through the line for those few days/weeks, then. I can just see some Satellite guy pulling a sheet out of his rear seat that says "XX" on it & him scratching his head...."XX, wtf??" Then into the garbage it goes. :-[
Well the 500 sheets got messed up at Creative when they pulled the rear seats out to do the window plug. When the seats were reinstalled, they naturally weren't checking for matching broadcast sheets, just that the seat was the correct color and material.
The one in my car is from a B5 blue with blue interior SE 500 so I am figuring that it and my car hit Creative at the same time and there is a fair chance that car has the sheet for mine.These cars were built early on.
Hmmm, so you have a sheet to a b5 blue 500 SE? Is it Gordon's car? I'm assuming it isn't because he had his car at Carlisle a few years ago, but I don't think his has blue interior, I think it has black.
funny how the cars got the wrong backseats and all, but many times when I hear of a car getting the wrong buildsheet it is for a car that has the same color exterior many times. Like the R6 HEMI buildsheet I have, was in another R6 red 500.
My friend Al has that Blue 500,with the front fenders flared,and the Nascar style air dam on it! Its B5,with B5 interior! Maybe its his build sheet!
Al B nice guy wrecked his 500 once .And fixed it right back up and started hitting the shows again with it.I tried to fix his non existing dashlights .At a charger registry meet years ago
Highbanked Hauler is Al Blake. Just so you guys know.
Hi, Just found this site. I've owned Chargers since 1976 and can't believe I haven't seen this yet. Anybody have my broadcast sheet? XX29L9B238080...
Sold new at Pointe Dodge in Detroit, MI, and was supposed to have paced at a Nascar Race prior to being sold as new on August 14th, 1969. I guessed maybe the Motor State 500 at MIS on June 15th, 1969. I heard this from both the first and third owners. The third owner said he had pictures of it in a magazine on the track somewhere.
Great info and pictures on this thread...
Here's a picture of it in a salvage yard around 1972. It was stolen and later recovered after the insurance company paid it off to the 2nd owner.
Here's another...
I've got a broadcast sheet for a 500 somewhere around, that got lost when I moved about 12 years ago... I found it in an R/T I owned, along with the correct sheet. The 500 sheet was in the rear bench seat, and the R/T sheet was in the rear seat back... I'll look for it again...
Damn dude welcome to the site. :cheers:
:o Nice, ohh to find one now in a salvage yard....
Tom
I saw a C500 in a salvage yard near Alpena, Michigan about 15 years ago in the winter. It was 2nd in a stack of 5 cars high, row to row, so I could not get close enough to get any further details. Just enough to see the roof crushed, the flush back window, and 500 stripe. I've wanted to get back there for years, but figured it had long since gone to the crusher or shredder. I did not know how rare they were at the time... Anybody else see this one or have any pictures?
Welcome to the site. I like the 500 in the snow pics.
Thanks Ghoste,
Here's an ad for my car from 1975 when sold by the 3rd owner. I got this and the salvage yard pics, and the original bill of sale from him. I ran into him at a car show last year and he recognized the 500 right away like he owned it yesterday, not 30 years ago. His name is spelled wrong in the ad, and the address and phone number have changed, so I thought it ok to post. I thought it was interesting because he advertised it as a "500 Fast top, one of 520 built." Not sure where he got that info from.
I contacted the original owners last week. The owner's wife said she used to drive the car back and forth to work in Detroit, and the "truck clutch" was hard to push in with her high heels." She also said it was hard to steer since she only weighed 98 pounds (it's manual steering), "but that 440 Hemi sure was fast!!!!!!!!!" (the car is a 440-4Speed Super Trak Pak with 4.10 Dana).
Hey Thanks for letting me know Als screen name! I haven't seen him in a while. I love that blue 500. I wanted to ask him who rolled those fenders for him. I want to do a set of 70 fenders for one of my projects.
Welcome to the site there 69Charger500.
I looked through my papers and I don't have a buildsheet for car 238080, so no luck there. I take it the car has been restored since your purchased it? A T7 bronze, 4 speed car. A mate to Troy's 500 from the site. I had thought for a second that I did have a copy of your broadcast sheet, as I was getting close to your VIN and saw a bronze 4 speed car, but it was 238099, and its T5.
I'm assuming that with your being around the Detroit area that you were a member of the Winged Warriors back in the 70's or such? Seems that most of the aero car owners from that time frame in that region were, its jut an assumption.
Also assuming you restored the car, just curious as to what you did to the rear side marker lights? Did you paint them the appropriate white to match the tail stripe, or leave them as in the pictures you posted where they are body color? I'm guessing the way it was in the pictures you posted is the way your car came origionally as they appear to be taken in the early to mid 70's.
Thanks for looking 69 500. Mine is T5 Copper Metallic, C6X, 440-4Speed, Super Trak Pak, Console, R11, and came with a white stripe. No wheel & tire code on the fender tag, but the original owner said it had Magnum 500s when he bought it new from Pointe Dodge. Should there be a code on the fender tag for the Magnum 500s?????? Also, is the tach/clock standard with the Rallye Instrument Cluster?
I'll have to check on the side marker lights. I've had my car since July '99, and it was painted by a previous owner 17 years ago when he did a partial resto on it. Both he and the next owner added lots of NOS stuff. When I got it, I went through the chassis, suspension, and powertrain, and rebuilt & upgraded all those parts needed to make it ride and drive really well. I paid $13K for it then.
Unfortunately, in order to buy it, I sold my numbers matching FE5 383 Magnum Challenger convertible which had AC, power everything, stripes, etc. The wife thought it was unsafe due to no shoulder belts, and I had 3 kids, so we couldn't fit them all in the car ($23,500). It was from Tennessee, nearly completely rustfree, and I had done a really nice resto on it, even though it looked great as it was. Had it for 11 years (paid $6K for it in '88). Here's a picture of it when it was on display at the Chrysler Tech Center in '98.
Also, I'd love to see a broadcast sheet for a '500, since I misplaced the one I did have years ago (not for my car). If someone can post one I'd really appreciate it (make a copy of it, block out the VIN, write the word COPY across the whole page, then scan and post).
Thanks...
Welcome to the board 69Charger500.........
Troy here from Houston, Texas....... You wouldn't happen to be out of the Texarkana would you? There's a T5 Copper 440 4speed, tam interior with white stripe... Gorgeous car... Has the steelies with hub caps.........
Troy
Thanks hemi68charger. I'm from Michigan northwest of Detroit.
Here's the side marker pic for 69 500 (not sure if this is correct). I'll have to look more closely at the old pics from '71 to see what I can see...
Quote from: 69Charger500 on January 03, 2006, 08:30:47 AM
Thanks hemi68charger. I'm from Michigan northwest of Detroit.
Here's the side marker pic for 69 500 (not sure if this is correct). I'll have to look more closely at the old pics from '71 to see what I can see...
Ahh... OK.. Were you at the Talladega AeroWarriors Meet? There were a couple T5 C500's.......... At any rate.. the side marker bezel is in question I think.. I hope someone out there has a true survivor C500 and can tell us..... I remember there's a picture of a A4 quarter panel once and I believe it was the original paint/stripe. I'm under the impression that they "should" have been painted stripe color. BUT, iin the spirit of getting them out the door at Creative as fast as possible, they may have just made the "X" cut in the opening and shoved the bezel back in and off they went..........
69_500, Have any close up of any of your Dad's old unrestored C500's?............
Now that you've posted a stripe pic 69Charger500, what about the complete car?.. :-)
Duhhh, I just saw your postings.... Damn nice looking C500........... Looks like from those vintage pics, the bezel wasn't painted............ no?
Is your interior tan? Mine is and my broadcast sheet is lost... The broadcast sheet that was in my car belonged to a T7 Hemi 4-speed car... Would be nice to find one, but i think our cars were built too far apart to get mixed up at Creative Industries..........
Did you see the other C500 thread?
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7379.0.html Lots of C500 pictures
Troy
Ok, I blew up the pics of my car from 1971 and from today and took some measurements since it was hard to see all the detail in the old pics. I am pretty sure the side marker bezel is not white, but body color on the pictures from 1971.
Is this something that varies from car to car on the C500s??????
Mike
It also appears the cutout is actually bigger on the original stripe in the picture from 1971, than on the stripe that is on my car now.
My interior is black... Lots of great info on this site....
Mike
p.s. I've got all the original Chrysler Engineering Graphics for 1969, 1970, and 1971 (both paper copies and microfilm copies). Unfortunately they don't cover the '69 500s. I do know that based on the information contained in the Paint Illustration Graphics I have, which details how to apply paint, blackout, and stripes, the process varies depending on body and stripe colors/combinations. Add to this the confusion which would result from a varying process, and the potential for human error, then it is probably OK either way...
Quote from: 69Charger500 on January 03, 2006, 08:55:30 AM
It also appears the cutout is actually bigger on the original stripe in the picture from 1971, than on the stripe that is on my car now.
My interior is black... Lots of great info on this site....
Mike
p.s. I've got all the original Chrysler Engineering Graphics for 1969, 1970, and 1971 (both paper copies and microfilm copies). Unfortunately they don't cover the '69 500s. I do know that based on the information contained in the Paint Illustration Graphics I have, which details how to apply paint, blackout, and stripes, the process varies depending on body and stripe colors/combinations. Add to this the confusion which would result from a varying process, and the potential for human error, then it is probably OK either way...
You are correct.... I feel the same.. But personally, I prefer the bezel to match the stripe, gives it a cleaner look......... The R/T's were painted if memory serves me, but then again, they weren't under the same production "rules" as the C500's........ Sounds like you have a wealth of info yourself and that, along with you, is another great asset to this site...
Not too many black interiors with the T5 cars I recall..., that I've seen any ways...........
Troy
Thanks,
It helps that I dated a girl who worked at Chrysler Historical in the 80s!!!!! Since I was a Chrysler employee, she used to let me go through all their records and make copies of whatever I wanted!!!!! I also have copies of the original Ordering Code Guides for '70 & '71.
For some unknown reason, I have been drawn to these cars my whole life, and have never owned anything but a Chrysler product. I used to spend my spare time going through all the junk yards I passed just to look at all the cool old cars there, and see the history, and maybe pick up a needed part or two.
In the mid '80s, I learned the dealerships still had lots of parts left, and bought what I needed for the Challenger and Charger I had at the time. I remember thinking "I can't believe these guys are ripping me off for wheel opening mouldings at $18 each, they can't cost more than $5 to make!!!!!" "And how can they charge me $80 for Valance Panels or $12 for emblems, and still sleep at night!!!!!"
Oh to go back now.....
I won't tell you about the FE5 440-6 Pack 4 Speed Challenger R/T convertible I wanted to buy in 1982. I thought the guy was out of his mind, he wanted $2000 for it. Didn't he know I only paid $400 for my 340 4-Speed Challenger 3 years prior??????
And when I saw a '69 Hemi Charger for sale in 1987 (southern car, 4-Speed, original paint), I thought the guy was on drugs 'cause he wanted $9000 for it. The sad thing is, I could have bought it. I didn't have the cash, but I had a decent job, was single, and could have financed it........
Oh well... Live and learn I guess.....
I am of the belief that those of us who truly love these cars have inadvertantly "done ourselves in," by collecting them, coveting them, restoring them, and proudly driving them around when nobody else cared. After 25 or so years of us doing this, the people who couldn't care less about them finally woke up and saw what we saw in them........ Now they only care about the "value" or "profits."
Mike
Quote from: 69Charger500 on January 03, 2006, 10:13:37 AM
And when I saw a '69 Hemi Charger for sale in 1987 (southern car, 4-Speed, original paint), I thought the guy was on drugs 'cause he wanted $9000 for it. The sad thing is, I could have bought it. I didn't have the cash, but I had a decent job, was single, and could have financed it........
Mike
I remember in 1987 being in 7th Grade and looking thru the Auto Trader every week for Chargers. (No internet back then) They were nice running drivers for usually $3000. I asked my dad all the time to go look at one with me, but being the oldest of 4, Dad didnt have $3000 to float me a loan when i was making $3.25 and hour washing dishes on Friday nights at the Fish Fry....
Sorry, I got a little off topic!!! This should point us back in the 500 direction. I bought this '70 Charger 500 in around 1989 for $300. The guy I bought it from was a local Mopar guy I knew who worked at Ramchargers. He was happy to get rid of it, since it was stored at a friend's house, and it was minus engine & trans. He sweetened the deal with a pair of '70 NOS Door Scoop Emblems (real ones!!), and, hold on...... ..........an NOS complete 1970 Charger Grill with Headlamp Doors & everything.
I honestly bought the car just cause my '70 R/T front bumper was slightly dented, and his car had a near perfect bumper and grill on it, so I thought I'd upgrade mine with his.
So I swapped his bumper onto my R/T, then sold the whole works to another guy who wanted to restore the car. Yep, I sold it for the same $300 I paid for it, and threw back in the NOS Grille 'cause I felt bad the car was a little rusty (kept the emblems, though!!!).
What do these go for now, I wonder?????????
A guy I heard of I think he was also in Mi.Where a friend of mine bought a orange 6 pack superbird from.Chuck R had a 500.The 238080 shows up in June 79 records as a Jim B MI.Its a bronze 4 speed with black interior as the club has it listed
Quote from: 69Charger500 on January 03, 2006, 12:07:14 PM
What do these go for now, I wonder?????????
Probably 4-5K without breaking a sweat. Pretty crazy, huh? :-\
Welcome aboard! It's great to have interesting owners with interesting cars, the more the merrier. :wave:
Quote from: 69Charger500 on January 02, 2006, 04:48:12 PM
Here's a picture of it in a salvage yard around 1972. It was stolen and later recovered after the insurance company paid it off to the 2nd owner.
Is this the car you have now?
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 03, 2006, 08:43:31 AM
Quote from: 69Charger500 on January 03, 2006, 08:30:47 AM
Thanks hemi68charger. I'm from Michigan northwest of Detroit.
Here's the side marker pic for 69 500 (not sure if this is correct). I'll have to look more closely at the old pics from '71 to see what I can see...
Ahh... OK.. Were you at the Talladega AeroWarriors Meet? There were a couple T5 C500's.......... At any rate.. the side marker bezel is in question I think.. I hope someone out there has a true survivor C500 and can tell us..... I remember there's a picture of a A4 quarter panel once and I believe it was the original paint/stripe. I'm under the impression that they "should" have been painted stripe color. BUT, iin the spirit of getting them out the door at Creative as fast as possible, they may have just made the "X" cut in the opening and shoved the bezel back in and off they went..........
69_500, Have any close up of any of your Dad's old unrestored C500's?............
Now that you've posted a stripe pic 69Charger500, what about the complete car?.. :-)
Duhhh, I just saw your postings.... Damn nice looking C500........... Looks like from those vintage pics, the bezel wasn't painted............ no?
Is your interior tan? Mine is and my broadcast sheet is lost... The broadcast sheet that was in my car belonged to a T7 Hemi 4-speed car... Would be nice to find one, but i think our cars were built too far apart to get mixed up at Creative Industries..........
Did you see the other C500 thread?
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7379.0.html Lots of C500 pictures
Troy
You are right Troy,I have had mine since it was a dealers demo and the bezel on a 69 500 should be the color of the car.A Daytona bezel should be the color of the stripe.
Ah the whole mix up on the bezels again.
Troy, I don't have any close up pics of my dad's old HEMI 500, but I do have pics of 2 other survivor 500's. Funny thing about it is this, 1 of the cars has the bezels painted stripe color, which is how they are supposed to be. They were supposed to be just like the R/T's and Daytona's and painted stripe color. However the other survivor car is painted body color. Now Al told me his car had them painted body color when he purchased the car new. Jerry Nerramore bought a HEMI 500 when it had 300 miles on it, and that car also had the bezels painted body color ( he bought the car in 1970). I have spent hours going over older pics I have of 500's from the 70's and early 80's and it seems that a fair amount of the cars had the bezels painted body color not stripe color. My 500 has the bezels body color not stripe color.
Here is a pic of a survivor HEMI 500 stripe
Highbanked Hauler:
Yes, I was lucky enough to get these pictures from the guy who rescued it from the salvage yard which bought it out from the insurance company. He bought it from them, and put it back together with parts from a wrecked '69 R/T-SE in the same yard (the interior is gone out of the 500 in those old pics). It ran around for many years with a green interior in it, believe it or not!!!!!!!!! It is C6X as it should be now...
Mike
Sweet looking car.It would be neat to get all the 500S together for a class picture within the next couple of years. :icon_smile:
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on January 03, 2006, 08:52:44 PM
Sweet looking car.It would be neat to get all the 500S together for a class picture within the next couple of years. :icon_smile:
Yeah make it two if you want the 500 SE there... I hope it can all just come together sooner...
Thanks Danny......... That's what I thought......... So, I'm going with mine being stripe color... :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: Charger Aficionado on January 03, 2006, 09:02:12 PM
Quote from: Highbanked Hauler on January 03, 2006, 08:52:44 PM
Sweet looking car.It would be neat to get all the 500S together for a class picture within the next couple of years. :icon_smile:
Yeah make it two if you want the 500 SE there... I hope it can all just come together sooner...
It would have to be a cannonball run type thing,the only reward you would get is being there for ther picture. It would take a dedicated bunch to make it happen.You are on one coast,I am on the other,Troy is at the Gulf of Mexico and Mike is at the Canadian Border so we would have to find a spot in the center of the country at a hotel big enough to park trailers and hope 50 or so 500S can make it.I'd say its a longshot,wouldn't you? :Twocents:
Don't they already set up such an opportunity with the periodic Wing Car Reunions?
Quote from: Ghoste on January 04, 2006, 04:50:20 AM
Don't they already set up such an opportunity with the periodic Wing Car Reunions?
Yeah, once every 5 years the AeroWarriors has a BIG reunion usually at Talladega. There are smaller events in between... The Winged Warriors also has a gather and I've been to one at Darlington... But, to have only C500's and not the young punk Daytonas and Superbirds?, there never has been that sort of reunion........... Personally, I thnk it would be cool............
Troy
No reason you can't organize a show within a show. We 1st gen folks are doing that this summer for the fastback reunion. It'll be held in conjunction with the CEMA show at the Chrysler headquarters since their theme this year was going to be the 40th anniversary of the Charger.
I'll be at the CEMA show for sure since that is where I work! I think a get together somewhere mid-country would be pretty cool too. Maybe I'll wait on putting the original 4.10 gears back in place. The 3.54s that are in there now are much better on the highway!
I would glady host a get together for the Woodward Cruise this August. I live on a 1/4 mile long private paved road with lots of room for parking. I'm about 15 minutes from Woodward Avenue in a quiet little rural area just off of I-75... I can garage 4 cars, and arrange for indoor overnight parking for 20-30 more through a friend of mine that lives just a little north of me...
Quote from: Ghoste on January 04, 2006, 06:55:06 PM
No reason you can't organize a show within a show. We 1st gen folks are doing that this summer for the fastback reunion. It'll be held in conjunction with the CEMA show at the Chrysler headquarters since their theme this year was going to be the 40th anniversary of the Charger.
Maybe get together at the Chargerreg meet in Kansas in the fall of 2007 as there isn't going to be a meet this year I have heard. ???
I think a show within a show would be great. If it could be at woodward that would be awsome. That isn't quite the center of the country though.
Quote from: jwilk01 on December 08, 2005, 04:25:04 PM
Yeah that was me, Guy won't even talk about selling the whole car but somedays he will sell parts of it. Guy is a moron!!!
I am the owner of this car. I have never sold parts off it or anyone talk with me about selling it. Whoever was talked to and parts bought from was not the owner. I consider the rear window trim stolen parts as I never sold them and would not have sold them as I know how hard those original parts are to get hold of. the car is undergoing restoration now. it will end up being a multi year project as others are being restored to be sold and fund future projects.
Hi John,
Please let me make an open apology for 'trash talk' about a fellow C500 owner!
The internet is full of TROLLS and Fake news, but even worse are OPEN insults without any FACTS!!! :slap:
One day the internet will be gone and we can go back to civility and hand-shaking, hopefully in my lifetime,
Why, COS I'M SICK OF IT and honest Folks will get back to running the planet again... :scratchchin:
Its your C500 and you can do what you want with it, without the slings and arrows of Trolls!
Best wishes from 'Honest John' UK a fellow C500 owner, aka Aerolite.
I agree.
Quote from: aerolith on January 27, 2018, 10:17:41 AM
Hi John,
Please let me make an open apology for 'trash talk' about a fellow C500 owner!
The internet is full of TROLLS and Fake news, but even worse are OPEN insults without any FACTS!!! :slap:
One day the internet will be gone and we can go back to civility and hand-shaking, hopefully in my lifetime,
Why, COS I'M SICK OF IT and honest Folks will get back to running the planet again... :scratchchin:
Its your C500 and you can do what you want with it, without the slings and arrows of Trolls!
Best wishes from 'Honest John' UK a fellow C500 owner, aka Aerolite.
No 'net? How would our paths have crossed allowing the carbs to fly across the water? :shruggy:
I'd still be sandcastless!
:cheers: