Hello everyone.
I was banned for the second time in 60 days but today I tried to log in and this time it went through. I am glad to be back. I do enjoy this site and most of the people.
Sometimes a person goes along in life and if their ego is big enough, they think that they are not personally responsible for the bad luck they have.
Having stated that, I am aware that I am solely responsible for being banned. No matter who baited me or tested me, if I just avoided these people or ignored their posts, I would have never had a problem. It is a hard thing to do though, man. I'm a fighter. I don't back down from confrontations. There are guys that watch and there are guys that DO. I would be the guy pulling people from a wrecked car, not the guy cowering in fear in my safe space. Backing off of a challenge is not in my nature.
Still, Politics is an off limit topic here and when I posted in threads, whether someone else started it or not, I was always willing to fight.
I have a zest for many things. What I like, I really like. What I hate, I hate in the same manner.
I think that to avoid temptation, I will stick to the tech sections of the forum or at least, subjects that are as removed from politics as possible. I like helping people when I can and there are times when I need some pointers. It is great to stumble across a new part or procedure that I've never heard about.
I enjoy updating the build thread I have on the wrecked and ignored '70 Charger I call Jigsaw. I was baited/trolled by a guy that is a new member, asking me if the build is "Fake News". I responded politely but was banned not long after for comments in the Off Topic forum.
I did try to keep politics out of the tech topics. I have felt that it is one area where politics shouldn't matter. A cylinder head shouldn't be different depending on how you vote.
Again, I am taking all the blame for my situation. I also want to openly thank the 25 members that rallied on my behalf to get me reinstated. It is appreciated.
Greg
Welcome back :2thumbs: Just the other day I was wondering where you were.
I'm glad you are back because sometime in the not too distant future I will shift focus on suspension upgrades and I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
PS I'm also trying to moderate and I'm pretty sure I am even more left than you thought.
Good to see you back as this is the place to be :2thumbs:
Welcome back. I missed your humor!
:cheers:
Still waiting :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=96497.0;attach=305357;image)
Having a good time here as well as FABO in the meantime :cheers:
Quote from: JB400 on May 29, 2020, 07:12:25 PM
Still waiting :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=96497.0;attach=305357;image)
Having a good time here as well as FABO in the meantime :cheers:
You'll be waiting for a long time, as that worthless moderator Kiwi doesn't like you.
Quote from: Lennard on May 29, 2020, 09:25:30 PM
Quote from: JB400 on May 29, 2020, 07:12:25 PM
Still waiting :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=96497.0;attach=305357;image)
Having a good time here as well as FABO in the meantime :cheers:
You'll be waiting for a long time, as that worthless moderator Kiwi doesn't like you.
Sad thing is, I had nothing to do with his Youtube account. Banned only for the fact he doesn't like me.
Quote from: Kern Dog on May 29, 2020, 05:34:20 PM
It is a hard thing to do though, man. I'm a fighter. I don't back down from confrontations. There are guys that watch and there are guys that DO. I would be the guy pulling people from a wrecked car, not the guy cowering in fear in my safe space. Backing off of a challenge is not in my nature.
Still, Politics is an off limit topic here and when I posted in threads, whether someone else started it or not, I was always willing to fight.
I have a zest for many things. What I like, I really like. What I hate, I hate in the same manner.
Everybody can discuss anything with intensity... as far is being done with respect... that is what is all about no matter the different opinions to keep the peace!
just my :Twocents:
nice you are back!
welcome back .this is a car sight .not an old ladies cat fight sight .some times you have to consider the source and ignore.my dad told me when i was a teenager ,some times it is better to keep your mouth shut and look like a fool than to open it and remove all doubt .
Quote from: odcics2 on May 29, 2020, 07:10:14 PM
Welcome back. I missed your humor!
:cheers:
What's wrong with mine?
Quote from: brad mcintyre on May 30, 2020, 08:32:00 AM
... than to open it and remove all doubt .
so you are saying he is ?
:lol:
j/k
I'll be the first to admit that I am a loudmouth. Knowing it is one thing, controlling it is another.
I'm trying though, man! :brickwall:
Quote from: Kern Dog on May 30, 2020, 02:13:53 PM
I'll be the first to admit that I am a loudmouth. Knowing it is one thing, controlling it is another.
I'm trying though, man! :brickwall:
Welcome back,my previous post was removed :shruggy:
May I suggest wearing a mask, it helps to silence and control you at the same time. :lol:
Uhh.... :brickwall:
I have my limits! That whole "mask" issue is a sore subject for me but :cheers: for the thought!
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on May 30, 2020, 09:51:06 AM
Quote from: odcics2 on May 29, 2020, 07:10:14 PM
Welcome back. I missed your humor!
:cheers:
What's wrong with mine?
Always about you, isn't it! :smilielol:
Welcome back Kern Dog! Twice? :popcrn:
Quote from: Kern Dog on May 29, 2020, 05:34:20 PM
I enjoy updating the build thread I have on the wrecked and ignored '70 Charger I call Jigsaw. I was baited/trolled by a guy that is a new member, asking me if the build is "Fake News". I responded politely but was banned not long after for comments in the Off Topic forum.
And I will comment as politely as I can to that. Stating that a newbie member's comments are not noteworthy because of their newbie status is condescending and threatening to put him on your "shit list" implies that your status is so supreme that that anybody would care which of your lists they're on.
Hell, I consider being on your shit list to be a badge of honor.
It seems to me that you intentionally dodge the points that I make to be more argumentative.
I refer to him as a newbie here, not in my own thread. I don't recall making any insults toward any members there, I merely responded to the one in question in a polite manner.
Besides, if someone joins a forum and instantly starts trolling instead of establishing some level of rapport with others, he should get called out on it. It appears like that person joined only to be a pain in the ass, not to learn from or help others.
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 01, 2020, 12:25:36 PM
It seems to me that you intentionally dodge the points that I make to be more argumentative.
I refer to him as a newbie here, not in my own thread. I don't recall making any insults toward any members there, I merely responded to the one in question in a polite manner.
Besides, if someone joins a forum and instantly starts trolling instead of establishing some level of rapport with others, he should get called out on it. It appears like that person joined only to be a pain in the ass, not to learn from or help others.
:yesnod:
What happened to the dirty turban guy? He has some personality.
LMAO, & you reported me on FBBO & you insult more people than anyone else I have seen, you then made a personal threat to me, you are a REAL funny guy Kern.
Most of the problems are most likely the fact it is sometimes difficult to express things on a keyboard, things are read out of context. :Twocents: glad to see you working on the new 70 charger & posting progress instead of bumping your gums .
Quote from: cdr on June 08, 2020, 05:16:25 PM
LMAO, & you reported me on FBBO & you insult more people than anyone else I have seen, you then made a personal threat to me, you are a REAL funny guy Kern.
Most of the problems are most likely the fact it is sometimes difficult to express things on a keyboard, things are read out of context. :Twocents: glad to see you working on the new 70 charger & posting progress instead of bumping your gums .
I have no idea of what you mean. Reported you at FBBO ? Personal threat? I need to see that to believe it. You are mistaken. I have no grudge against you, never have. The closest that I came to even mentioning you was when someone over there asked about you and I responded with something like, He has an account here but rarely posts anything.
Your accusations might mean something if you could post a screenshot or a link to a thread. I'd surely admit fault and apologize if you could prove me wrong. Of all of my faults, being a hypocrite is certainly not one of them.
We both know that the interpretation of what is a "joke" will vary wildly. What I think is funny may fall flat with you. I've spent most of my life with people that can take a joke or an insult and throw it back at me. I went through a lot of boring dates trying to find a woman that could match my style. I am this same way in person that I am online. I am not deceptive or mean, I just like to mess around and laugh.
Three days and still no response, Charlie?
Wait...what did I miss here? :smilielol:
You've been gone awhile. Were you banned too ?
Not to my knowledge.
Just been enjoying the finer things in [real] life.
I get that.
I've stepped back from the social topics and spent more time on the cars and tech stuff. I do want to try to stay that way. If we can focus more on the cars, we would surely get along better, all of us.
I'm not blaming anyone specific. I'm as much at fault as anyone.
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 15, 2020, 11:59:27 PM
I get that.
I've stepped back from the social topics and spent more time on the cars and tech stuff. I do want to try to stay that way. If we can focus more on the cars, we would surely get along better, all of us.
I'm not blaming anyone specific. I'm as much at fault as anyone.
:cheers:
I just got banned over on FBBO....Butnick (or however its spelt) insulted me yet I get banned ....i reply to his stupid post (which was a personal dig at me in a technical section....all I said was that i don't tend to read overly long wordy posts (as many dont im sure)...that was literally it,...and he went off on one like it was a personal attack on him...and I get banned for a week for calling him a twat AFTER that . Because of that I don't even get a chance to defend myself. Fuck him. That's a proper insult....hope he sees this. If you are not in the right wing clique over there then you have no chance. If you are questioning that I really got banned for such a trivial offence that was just retaliation for a similar offence then check out the Nitrous thread in the Racers Hangout.
This is the official reason I got banned "Insulting fellow member personally who was trying to be helpful Your ban will be lifted on Jun 23, 2020".....he was not trying to help me at all....he was taking a dig.
The political section is a joke too....politics is all about discussion....no point in a discussion if others won't even listen a different opinion. In the Forum index it says "Have a thick skin and be respectful of others while discussing politics here".....No respect is shown at all. They quote unsubstantiated crap from right wing websites like is the gospel. Some one posted about a march in Poland...that was factually inaccurate from end to end right wing bollocks..I correct them...the regulars gang up as usual..my post is deleted...it's a fucking joke. I don't post on political any more as its just the same three clueless idiots lording over every one. They would not recognise real politics it it kicked them in the butt.
On other car forums I belong to we have political sections....we have everything from people as far to the right as the FBBO regulars to the most left wing snowdrops you could think of. No one gets shouted down, everyone gets a say...not saying it does not get heated....but its a lot more tolerant than FBBO and rarely gets to personal insults...those folks get excluded from political pretty quick. We actually have at least two US based FBBO and DC members over on the Alfa forum....they come to put their just to put views forward as they'd like to without being flamed by the regulars ...and... I quote one of them to "deal with grown ups"...LOL.RANT OVER!
EDIT...you cant see the posts....they have been deleted....what a surprise . The original post that (with my two Nitrous projects pictured is still there)....see if you can spot anything offensive in there!
Another argument for keeping our discussions here politics free here.
Forums are allowed to run the way they want. I prefer not to turn this thread into a discussion of the problems of some other forum or discuss people across forums. Independent of politics, the person you mention used to post here and provided some useful information for me when I asked questions about my car. :Twocents:
Quote from: XH29N0G on June 17, 2020, 06:05:51 AM
Another argument for keeping our discussions here politics free here.
Forums are allowed to run the way they want. I prefer not to turn this thread into a discussion of the problems of some other forum or discuss people across forums. Independent of politics, the person you mention used to post here and provided some useful information for me when I asked questions about my car. :Twocents:
Agreed.................
Quote from: alfaitalia on June 17, 2020, 01:35:48 AM
I just got banned over on FBBO....Butnick (or however its spelt) insulted me yet I get banned ....i reply to his stupid post (which was a personal dig at me in a technical section....all I said was that i don't tend to read overly long wordy posts (as many dont im sure)...that was literally it,...and he went off on one like it was a personal attack on him...and I get banned for a week for calling him a twat AFTER that . Because of that I don't even get a chance to defend myself. Fuck him. That's a proper insult....hope he sees this. If you are not in the right wing clique over there then you have no chance. If you are questioning that I really got banned for such a trivial offence that was just retaliation for a similar offence then check out the Nitrous thread in the Racers Hangout.
This is the official reason I got banned "Insulting fellow member personally who was trying to be helpful Your ban will be lifted on Jun 23, 2020".....he was not trying to help me at all....he was taking a dig.
The political section is a joke too....politics is all about discussion....no point in a discussion if others won't even listen a different opinion. In the Forum index it says "Have a thick skin and be respectful of others while discussing politics here".....No respect is shown at all. They quote unsubstantiated crap from right wing websites like is the gospel. Some one posted about a march in Poland...that was factually inaccurate from end to end right wing bollocks..I correct them...the regulars gang up as usual..my post is deleted...it's a fucking joke. I don't post on political any more as its just the same three clueless idiots lording over every one. They would not recognise real politics it it kicked them in the butt.
On other car forums I belong to we have political sections....we have everything from people as far to the right as the FBBO regulars to the most left wing snowdrops you could think of. No one gets shouted down, everyone gets a say...not saying it does not get heated....but its a lot more tolerant than FBBO and rarely gets to personal insults...those folks get excluded from political pretty quick. We actually have at least two US based FBBO and DC members over on the Alfa forum....they come to put their just to put views forward as they'd like to without being flamed by the regulars ...and... I quote one of them to "deal with grown ups"...LOL.RANT OVER!
EDIT...you cant see the posts....they have been deleted....what a surprise . The original post that (with my two Nitrous projects pictured is still there)....see if you can spot anything offensive in there!
Come on, man...
You repeatedly, repeatedly.... state that you are staying out of the political topics but return every time. This ruins your credibility. You did this here, you did it there. People see that and it is remembered as an act that goes against anything that you write as being truthful. THis has nothing to do with any political bias.
I have not posted in political over there for quite a while and don't intend to for the reasons stated. The only one recently was about a fighter plane and a fighter crash....which was not political at the time and I did not realise that it was even in the political section until a day later but I left it due to having no political content at the time!....until Officer Higgins suggested muslim could be responsible for the crash!!!
Don't forget I was not banned for a political post....I was banned for reacting to a childish post in "Racers Hangout"....although I notice his posts have been removed too....doubt hes been banned though!!
I strongly suspect that the decision to ban members is based on not just the offense at hand but also the value that the member brings to the forum. A person that posts a lot of helpful content will likely be given more warnings or chances before any action is taken. A recently joined member that instantly gets argumentative puts up a red flag right away.
I used to like you and what you posted here but your "playful" jabs at America and a duly elected President immediately pissed me and a few others off. You may play it off as having fun but many didn't like it.
I do things that annoy people and yeah, it sucks to have to tone myself down. I have done so here.
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 17, 2020, 03:10:24 PM
I strongly suspect that the decision to ban members is based on not just the offense at hand but also the value that the member brings to the forum. A person that posts a lot of helpful content will likely be given more warnings or chances before any action is taken.
I consider myself a helpfull guy in the board and I was banned for a week without previous warning call ( aside one of my threads deleted ), soooo, not exactly like that
( I don't recall being offensive to anyone anywhere )
Quote from: alfaitalia on June 17, 2020, 01:35:48 AM
I just got banned over on FBBO....Butnick (or however its spelt) insulted me yet I get banned ....i reply to his stupid post (which was a personal dig at me in a technical section....all I said was that i don't tend to read overly long wordy posts (as many dont im sure)...that was literally it,...and he went off on one like it was a personal attack on him...and I get banned for a week for calling him a twat AFTER that . Because of that I don't even get a chance to defend myself. Fuck him. That's a proper insult....hope he sees this. If you are not in the right wing clique over there then you have no chance. If you are questioning that I really got banned for such a trivial offence that was just retaliation for a similar offence then check out the Nitrous thread in the Racers Hangout.
This is the official reason I got banned "Insulting fellow member personally who was trying to be helpful Your ban will be lifted on Jun 23, 2020".....he was not trying to help me at all....he was taking a dig.
The political section is a joke too....politics is all about discussion....no point in a discussion if others won't even listen a different opinion. In the Forum index it says "Have a thick skin and be respectful of others while discussing politics here".....No respect is shown at all. They quote unsubstantiated crap from right wing websites like is the gospel. Some one posted about a march in Poland...that was factually inaccurate from end to end right wing bollocks..I correct them...the regulars gang up as usual..my post is deleted...it's a fucking joke. I don't post on political any more as its just the same three clueless idiots lording over every one. They would not recognise real politics it it kicked them in the butt.
On other car forums I belong to we have political sections....we have everything from people as far to the right as the FBBO regulars to the most left wing snowdrops you could think of. No one gets shouted down, everyone gets a say...not saying it does not get heated....but its a lot more tolerant than FBBO and rarely gets to personal insults...those folks get excluded from political pretty quick. We actually have at least two US based FBBO and DC members over on the Alfa forum....they come to put their just to put views forward as they'd like to without being flamed by the regulars ...and... I quote one of them to "deal with grown ups"...LOL.RANT OVER!
EDIT...you cant see the posts....they have been deleted....what a surprise . The original post that (with my two Nitrous projects pictured is still there)....see if you can spot anything offensive in there!
Funny how you talked shit about this (d.c.com) forum and it's members on fbbo when you joint For Big Bitches Only, and now you're banned over there and back here talking shit about fbbo. That shows what kind of person you are.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/37nPfslihaoussRbcC/giphy.webp)
Quote from: Lennard on June 17, 2020, 08:39:01 PM
Quote from: alfaitalia on June 17, 2020, 01:35:48 AM
I just got banned over on FBBO....Butnick (or however its spelt) insulted me yet I get banned ....i reply to his stupid post (which was a personal dig at me in a technical section....all I said was that i don't tend to read overly long wordy posts (as many dont im sure)...that was literally it,...and he went off on one like it was a personal attack on him...and I get banned for a week for calling him a twat AFTER that . Because of that I don't even get a chance to defend myself. Fuck him. That's a proper insult....hope he sees this. If you are not in the right wing clique over there then you have no chance. If you are questioning that I really got banned for such a trivial offence that was just retaliation for a similar offence then check out the Nitrous thread in the Racers Hangout.
This is the official reason I got banned "Insulting fellow member personally who was trying to be helpful Your ban will be lifted on Jun 23, 2020".....he was not trying to help me at all....he was taking a dig.
The political section is a joke too....politics is all about discussion....no point in a discussion if others won't even listen a different opinion. In the Forum index it says "Have a thick skin and be respectful of others while discussing politics here".....No respect is shown at all. They quote unsubstantiated crap from right wing websites like is the gospel. Some one posted about a march in Poland...that was factually inaccurate from end to end right wing bollocks..I correct them...the regulars gang up as usual..my post is deleted...it's a fucking joke. I don't post on political any more as its just the same three clueless idiots lording over every one. They would not recognise real politics it it kicked them in the butt.
On other car forums I belong to we have political sections....we have everything from people as far to the right as the FBBO regulars to the most left wing snowdrops you could think of. No one gets shouted down, everyone gets a say...not saying it does not get heated....but its a lot more tolerant than FBBO and rarely gets to personal insults...those folks get excluded from political pretty quick. We actually have at least two US based FBBO and DC members over on the Alfa forum....they come to put their just to put views forward as they'd like to without being flamed by the regulars ...and... I quote one of them to "deal with grown ups"...LOL.RANT OVER!
EDIT...you cant see the posts....they have been deleted....what a surprise . The original post that (with my two Nitrous projects pictured is still there)....see if you can spot anything offensive in there!
Funny how you talked shit about this (d.c.com) forum and it's members on fbbo when you joint For Big Bitches Only, and now you're banned over there and back here talking shit about fbbo. That shows what kind of person you are.
....are you for real?....thats because I, and one or two others to be fair, where treated like shit here and then there....by one or two of the same people who are members on both (some are only member of one forum...unless they use two names)! You can only talk Politics over there as much as you like if your Politics agrees exactly with theirs....thats not politics or democratic or freedom of speech...all things you all go on about protecting with your oft quoted constitution that must be stuck to at all costs....(well apart from the 27 times you changed things between 1791 and 1992 and amended it!) but dont actually practise. And here you cant talk politics at all (which is fine)....but you can talk about it as much as you like on this forum as long as you are a long time member with views to the right....AND THAT SHOWS WHAT SORT OF PERSON I AM????? I think it more shows double standards by the mods/members of both forums....never have any issues in other forums that have political sections.
I guess now that someone will say this post is political......cant win..... :lol:
PS....personally as much as KD and I disagree politically...I don't think he did/said anything ban worthy....but if there is no politics there's no politics I guess. The $5000 car is one of my favourite threads so good to see you back!!!
If I remember Troy's posts correctly, he also mentioned personal attacks.
KD started this thread to say he was going to focus on cars and positives on this forum. I respect him for that decision and what he has done.
I understand we have been wronged, done wrong, and think we can get in a final word but let's not make this into a mess. :Twocents:
:cheers:
:2thumbs: Agreed....i'll shut up!
Quote from: alfaitalia on June 18, 2020, 01:46:20 AM
Quote from: Lennard on June 17, 2020, 08:39:01 PM
Quote from: alfaitalia on June 17, 2020, 01:35:48 AM
I just got banned over on FBBO....Butnick (or however its spelt) insulted me yet I get banned ....i reply to his stupid post (which was a personal dig at me in a technical section....all I said was that i don't tend to read overly long wordy posts (as many dont im sure)...that was literally it,...and he went off on one like it was a personal attack on him...and I get banned for a week for calling him a twat AFTER that . Because of that I don't even get a chance to defend myself. Fuck him. That's a proper insult....hope he sees this. If you are not in the right wing clique over there then you have no chance. If you are questioning that I really got banned for such a trivial offence that was just retaliation for a similar offence then check out the Nitrous thread in the Racers Hangout.
This is the official reason I got banned "Insulting fellow member personally who was trying to be helpful Your ban will be lifted on Jun 23, 2020".....he was not trying to help me at all....he was taking a dig.
The political section is a joke too....politics is all about discussion....no point in a discussion if others won't even listen a different opinion. In the Forum index it says "Have a thick skin and be respectful of others while discussing politics here".....No respect is shown at all. They quote unsubstantiated crap from right wing websites like is the gospel. Some one posted about a march in Poland...that was factually inaccurate from end to end right wing bollocks..I correct them...the regulars gang up as usual..my post is deleted...it's a fucking joke. I don't post on political any more as its just the same three clueless idiots lording over every one. They would not recognise real politics it it kicked them in the butt.
On other car forums I belong to we have political sections....we have everything from people as far to the right as the FBBO regulars to the most left wing snowdrops you could think of. No one gets shouted down, everyone gets a say...not saying it does not get heated....but its a lot more tolerant than FBBO and rarely gets to personal insults...those folks get excluded from political pretty quick. We actually have at least two US based FBBO and DC members over on the Alfa forum....they come to put their just to put views forward as they'd like to without being flamed by the regulars ...and... I quote one of them to "deal with grown ups"...LOL.RANT OVER!
EDIT...you cant see the posts....they have been deleted....what a surprise . The original post that (with my two Nitrous projects pictured is still there)....see if you can spot anything offensive in there!
Funny how you talked shit about this (d.c.com) forum and it's members on fbbo when you joint For Big Bitches Only, and now you're banned over there and back here talking shit about fbbo. That shows what kind of person you are.
....are you for real?
I'm as real as it gets, honest, straight forward and definitely not two-faced.
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 17, 2020, 03:10:24 PM
A recently joined member that instantly gets argumentative puts up a red flag right away.
Once again you assert that only tenure gives a member the right to speak his (her) mind. ::)
John,
It is clear that you like stirring the pot even when nobody asked you for your opinion. I am unsure of what is most offensive. A truly stupid person that screws up and annoys people accidently or a reasonably competent person that intentionally inserts himself into situations just to piss people off.
The point that I made is that I suspect that a member gets more consideration for possible transgressions IF they contribute to the forum rather than just troll people.
You know....Like how you help people with transmission questions and also respond in threads just to be annoying. If you were only annoying, you'd probably be banned in short order.
Jeez! what is it with you that makes you want to beat people up or put targets on them. How big is that chip on your shoulder?
You really think people need to have their lights punched out just because you find them annoying?
You talk about showing respect........All you show is a need to get physical.
Mrs. Fred.
What is it? Are you paying attention?
This guy follows me around and plays counterpoint to what people write. Its as if he is paid to do so. He rarely ever shows any attention to what HE feels or believes in, he merely pisses on other peoples opinions.
He never posts pictures of himself and rarely ever mentions any car that he owns or has owned. To me, that smacks of someone that is afraid to be recognized.
Since the invention of this internet, there have been people like him. Guys that jump into conversations just to annoy people. He has admitted here and elsewhere that he has no firm beliefs but since so many car guys feel a certain way, he offers an alternate view.
Who the heck asked for a Devil's advocate? Why not just be genuine and admit what you believe instead of just chiming in with no purpose but to trash other peoples opinions?
Chip on my shoulder...
Not really. I am actually a pretty happy guy.
edited.
The way that I see it, if what you write is true, you shouldn't have to hide your identity. I have posted up a variety of opinions, insults and compliments over the years and my face has been on every one of them. I own my history. Jumping in on someones topic just to start trouble is fine IF you have the integrity to show your face. Otherwise, it is a cowardly move when you do it with anonymity.
Let's start a bashing site so all the trolls can talk about cars :lol: :cheers:
Quote from: Fred on June 18, 2020, 09:06:25 PM
All you show is a need to get physical.
https://youtu.be/vWz9VN40nCA
:lol:
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 18, 2020, 06:16:00 PM
John,
It is clear that you like stirring the pot even when nobody asked you for your opinion.
IOW, you don't want any disagreement with anything you say. Duly noted. :fu:
Seems like we are headed down a rabbit hole. I'll leave it at that.
I prefer the veer focusing on Australian singers.
Quote from: John_Kunkel on June 19, 2020, 12:07:21 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 18, 2020, 06:16:00 PM
John,
It is clear that you like stirring the pot even when nobody asked you for your opinion.
IOW, you don't want any disagreement with anything you say. Duly noted. :fu:
IF the disagreement is based on a genuine belief and the one with the opposing view can articulate themselves well, that is fine. I admit that I can be stubborn but if someone has a better idea that I can learn from, I'm willing to consider it.
A person that argues just for the sake of arguing is worthless to me. There is no honor in that.
Take a stance and defend it like a respectable human being.
Lawyers, whores and politicians will do whatever they are told by those paying their bills. They often have no allegiance to a cause, they just do it for the money. Don't be like those people.
I edited my response to John.
I had first suggested that we meet up so I could teach him some respect. I also used a joke that my late Uncle used to use when drunks at the bar would try to goad him into fighting....
You go outside and practice falling down. I'll be out there shortly.
I just find that funny. Being a smart ass is a family trait/curse.
KD, Also edited :cheers:
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 19, 2020, 04:46:08 PM
A person that argues just for the sake of arguing is worthless to me. There is no honor in that.
So, it's
YOU that determines when an opponent is "arguing for the sake of arguing"? I argue with you for one reason and one reason only,
I DISAGREE WITH MOST EVERYTHING YOU SAY and dislike your demeanor.
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 19, 2020, 06:42:33 PM
I edited my response to John.
I had first suggested that we meet up so I could teach him some respect.
Brawn over brains, no surprise.
I'll tell you what. I'm willing to call a truce. If there are no more jabs from you toward me, I'll let this go as well. Neither of us are going to please each other or radically change the other's perspective so this really is an exercise in arguing for sport. That isn't interesting to me. I'd rather work on the cars and enjoy my family than to be irritated by arguing. :cheers:
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That is great. Thanks! :2thumbs:
It is a tad funnier when Peter from family guy says it
......could you post that over on FBBO please.....LOL!
Quote from: alfaitalia on June 21, 2020, 09:40:37 AM
......could you post that over on FBBO please.....LOL!
I JUST joined over there, I don't want to get banned on my first week, LOL!!!
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 20, 2020, 01:29:13 PM
I'll tell you what. I'm willing to call a truce. If there are no more jabs from you toward me, I'll let this go as well.
If you had never turned the simplest topic into a right-wing rant, the point would be moot.
Quote from: John_Kunkel on June 21, 2020, 03:03:04 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 20, 2020, 01:29:13 PM
I'll tell you what. I'm willing to call a truce. If there are no more jabs from you toward me, I'll let this go as well.
If you had never turned the simplest topic into a right-wing rant, the point would be moot.
Damn John, do you have any friends? I really doubt it with an attitude like yours. :rotz:
Did you form an opinion of me from something I said? Think about it.
Quote from: Lennard on June 21, 2020, 04:14:34 PM
Quote from: John_Kunkel on June 21, 2020, 03:03:04 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 20, 2020, 01:29:13 PM
I'll tell you what. I'm willing to call a truce. If there are no more jabs from you toward me, I'll let this go as well.
If you had never turned the simplest topic into a right-wing rant, the point would be moot.
Damn John, do you have any friends? I really doubt it with an attitude like yours. :rotz:
I like John....
GREAT Guy :2thumbs:.... forthright, to the point, and IMO.... and he possesses an uncanny ability to call a spade a spade ?
Can I even say that anymore ? I mean it's only a damn type of shovel ?
and btw....
Kunkel has FORGOT more about a 727 Transmission than I ever knew..... and I used to rebuild my own 727's which is probably more than 98% in here ever knew how to do ?
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 19, 2020, 06:42:33 PM
I edited my response to John.
I had first suggested that we meet up so I could teach him some respect. I also used a joke that my late Uncle used to use when drunks at the bar would try to goad him into fighting....
You go outside and practice falling down. I'll be out there shortly.
I just find that funny. Being a smart ass is a family trait/curse.
That is pretty funny..... but you always got to
WATCH.... because you just never know ? but in my experience it's never the ones that
tell you how tough they are..... that actually are ?
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 19, 2020, 06:42:33 PM
I also used a joke that my late Uncle used to use when drunks at the bar would try to goad him into fighting....
You go outside and practice falling down. I'll be out there shortly.
I just find that funny. Being a smart ass is a family trait/curse.
Your uncle had a good one there!!! that's funny!
My go to response, when asked by an angry gentleman," If I would like to step out side?"
IS:
"No thanks, I am not in the mood for a blow job"
That tends to elevate their anger level.
That is great!
It is funny to watch people wig out.
I am a very hard person to get fired up. I must admit, John has had the ability to do it on occasion. Lol. He is still a good guy and a hosts a wealth of knowledge. I would sit down and drink a beer with john or kern.
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on June 24, 2020, 11:24:04 AM
I am a very hard person to get fired up. I must admit, John has had the ability to do it on occasion. Lol. He is still a good guy and a hosts a wealth of knowledge. I would sit down and drink a beer with john or kern.
Would you drink one seated between them? :slap: :lol:
I get along with most people in person.
Quote from: MoparMike68 on June 28, 2020, 12:28:57 PM
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on June 24, 2020, 11:24:04 AM
I am a very hard person to get fired up. I must admit, John has had the ability to do it on occasion. Lol. He is still a good guy and a hosts a wealth of knowledge. I would sit down and drink a beer with john or kern.
Would you drink one seated between them? :slap: :lol:
Until the cooler runs empty.
:2thumbs: :cheers:
Quote from: Kern Dog on June 28, 2020, 01:09:07 PM
I get along with most people in person.
:2thumbs:
Makes one wonder what 'thoughts' would be said in a face to face meeting!
Bet there would be more civility? :yesnod:
:cheers:
:cheers:
Funny thing...
I joined Moparts in 2010. From the start, I knew that they had a NO POLITICS rule there but.....When subjects started to go off of the rails, I was poor at resisting the urge to go political whether others had started it or not. The Mods definitely play favorites there, especially the one named "Not A Charger". I was banned at least 7 or 8 times over the years, the last one in December of last year. Most of the time the ban was for a few weeks but the last one was called permanent. The offense? I was told it was because I was making too many posts complaining about the site. They had recently added a horrible pop up ad feature known as INFOLINKS and many others bitched about it. Site traffic fell off because these ads took up HALF the page on computers and over half for those using their phones.
A few weeks ago, they added a "Current Events" forum which allows Politics. I was told that the ban they had on me had been lifted so I checked in. Since December I've been able to lurk but not post anything. Now that I'm able to, I don't really feel much of a need as of yet. Maybe as the election grows closer.
I browse Moparts. Stupid ads keep me away most times. Mostly watch the parts section
It was the first forum that I joined.
Wonder how the current events section would workout here :slap:
Quote: Now that I'm able to, I really don't feel much of a need as of yet.
Kind of like underage drinking sneaking around and hiding from the police was part of the allure. :cheers:
Kern Dog get over yourself, no body gives a fuck really. don't announce your back and three pages of numnuttary. Just ease back in and start contributing to topics.
Quote from: Kern Dog on July 07, 2020, 11:42:52 PM
I was banned at least 7 or 8 times over the years, the last one in December of last year. Most of the time the ban was for a few weeks but the last one was called permanent.
Damn! Good record! LOL
Quote from: Back N Black on July 08, 2020, 11:19:11 PM
Kern Dog get over yourself, no body gives a fuck really. don't announce your back and three pages of numnuttary. Just ease back in and start contributing to topics.
You think this post of yours helps anything?
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on July 09, 2020, 05:10:18 AM
Quote from: Back N Black on July 08, 2020, 11:19:11 PM
numnuttary
What's that mean ?
:shruggy:
Kinda like num
bnuttery only spelled differently.
https://slangdefine.org/n/numbnuttery-623f.html
So FBBO is the only Mopar site with permanent bans?
The reason that this topic is on the 4th page is because the "Off Topic" forum has had several other topics locked. I don't feel compelled to play a three word game and the other topics in this forum don't interest me.
Before 2010, I rarely used the internet.
Another thing....The person you read from online is not always the same as the person in the flesh. I am actually different than that because I am pretty much the same guy here and in person. I'm helpful when I am able, I'm often looking to make people laugh. I am sarcastic and silly but I am not one to back down from a confrontation. If I see an injustice, I try to set it straight. Yeah, I am obnoxious too. I am well aware of my own faults.
FBBO.....I don't know about their policies. I have never been banned from there. I do suspect that they are probably more likely to tolerate a member if they have a history of being a good contributor. By this I mean one who starts interesting topics, offers actual help to tech questions or provides entertaining content that is reflected in their " Like " count. It can be hard to dump a member that others like having around.
You were not Banned, but sent to time out. Your a Bad Boy. lol
Hey...Those Rallye wheel centers....Still interested? I have 2 sets. One is decent driver quality, the others are fair but a couple have chipped edges. PM me here or email and I can send you pictures.
Well Greg, since you came back, you are showing restraint when provoked.
Guess you can teach an old Kern Dog a new trick? :2thumbs: :icon_smile_big:
FBBO.....I don't know about their policies. I have never been banned from there. I do suspect that they are probably more likely to tolerate a member if they have a history of being a good contributor. By this I mean one who starts interesting topics, offers actual help to tech questions or provides entertaining content that is reflected in their " Like " count. It can be hard to dump a member that others like having around.
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Nope, that's not it. Long time member, diehard Mopar lover who still has his first Mopar, with an ever growing number of likes and agrees. Offered help on subjects that I have some expertise, lurked when I didn't. Posted some unique and interesting threads (IMHO). When banned without warning, I had members post and send PM's asking me not to give up, not to leave, as they were led to believe it was my choice. I lost a resource, but so did FBBO members.
It can be hard for an owner not to "dump" when a member is getting Dixie Chicked.
Quote from: greycharger on July 11, 2020, 09:48:25 AM
FBBO.....I don't know about their policies. I have never been banned from there. I do suspect that they are probably more likely to tolerate a member if they have a history of being a good contributor. By this I mean one who starts interesting topics, offers actual help to tech questions or provides entertaining content that is reflected in their " Like " count. It can be hard to dump a member that others like having around.
Nope, that's not it. Long time member, diehard Mopar lover who still has his first Mopar, with an ever growing number of likes and agrees. Offered help on subjects that I have some expertise, lurked when I didn't. Posted some unique and interesting threads (IMHO). When banned without warning, I had members post and send PM's asking me not to give up, not to leave, as they were led to believe it was my choice. I lost a resource, but so did FBBO members.
It can be hard for an owner not to "dump" when a member is getting Dixie Chicked.
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On For Big Bitches Only it's not WHAT you know... it's WHO you know that will keep you from getting banned.
(Edited....I did not see Lennard's post. This is directed toward GreyCharger)
From what I recall, you did have some contrary opinions that people did not like. I may be remembering it wrong but I also thought your manner of expressing yourself came across as curt and rude. You certainly were not as tactful and smooth as you could have been. I have found also that a person with an opposing view can get others to listen if they use some finesse. I am stating this as an opinion. I also have been one to post things that are rude and offensive but I try to add humor or sarcasm to soften the blow. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. I have held the belief that a person with a different opinion has a far better chance of getting me to listen if they are funny, interesting or reasonably affable.
Not being "curt and direct" and being "tactful".....they have a term for that, now what is it? Kinda rhymes with pee cee.
I prefer if we don't rag on other sites. Sites are different and have different politics and policies. Tolerance is not set by those and the left can be just as exclusionary and sensitive to criticism as the right. I appreciate that the mods here set a tone where the issue is keeping politics out (to an extent) and keeping us at being good to each other (to an extent) in this sandbox.
Kern Dog has made a decision on what he posts on this site versus other sites. That is what matters and I respect and appreciate that.
I know there are a lot of older ruffled feathers or feathers ruffled on other sites and some might not want to let that go.
:cheers:
John, That is one view and I can't argue with it.
Mine is a bit different.
Say you read a guy's post online and disagree with it. Read the following responses and see which one might be more likely to alienate others:
I think that green cars are the best.
Green cars suck ! Only fags and morons like green cars!
Green? Yeah, that was a popular color back then. I am not a fan of the color though.
Sure, I exaggerated a bit but the point is still clear.
By including a bit softer language or by stating that the following words are opinion, it makes an opposing view easier to accept. I don't see that as being Politically Correct as much as just being more civil and smart about trying to be heard without turning people off as easily. I am not injecting politics here !
I do think that we can learn something from almost anyone. A hateful and rude person usually teaches me that their tactics are ineffective on me so I am trying to avoid using those habits on others.
Quote from: Kern Dog on July 11, 2020, 01:51:46 PM
John, That is one view and I can't argue with it.
Mine is a bit different.
You claim to have a laissez faire attitude (your actual words "do your own thing") but you criticize a person's posting style. Just pointing out the obvious contradiction.
An abrasive retort to something you say can be seen as a personal affront (offense).....or not. To me, expecting somebody to conform to a certain form of behavior is PC.
"Political correctness is a term used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid
offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society."
You should have been a lawyer. You cannot look at an issue without wanting to argue with someone about it.
My point was that the habit of being curt and rude turns off more people than it attracts. You surely have the right to be who you are but be aware that many people just may dismiss you because your manner is not remotely pleasant or courteous. If your goal is to just get people annoyed instead of seeing things your way, I think that you are succeeding.
:popcrn:
I always have liked green cars. My charger is green. My original 1969 pontiac lemans was painted F8 green (yes the mopar color). one of my dad's Jaguars is dark green. I think the DB4 was also green. If you don't like green, I ask you to stick with the mild version (#3) on KDs list.
I also heard that the preference for green declines with age because of how our eyeballs age.
:smilielol: even that guy is green. The other guy :eek2: is just driing really fast (the air causes his face to look funny).
Forgot, one of our volvos is green - not the one that makes my in laws as why I have a foreign car - that volvo was black.
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You edited out your comments about FBBO and being banned there. The following may appear out of context.
I really should quote people to avoid this kind of thing.
GreyCharger complained about some humorous treatment at FBBO when he was a member.
Calling someone gay ? I think it is funny. I've done it since I was a kid. People that I know still do it today. It is a way that a lot of guys joke around. I hope and expect to get similar silly treatment back because I like joking and bantering between guys. I am not one to be serious all the time and have a hard time understanding how the stoic, strict appearing dudes can have any fun in their lives being so uptight.
I did get warned by a Moderator about the gay reference at FBBO. It wasn't simply overlooked by them.
Instead of reporting a post, (Which is akin to yelling for help from the teacher) Try handling the problem yourself. If a man has any wits about him and some self esteem, he can at least try to resolve conflicts without calling for help. You are smart enough to defend yourself.
Finally, I have noticed that many of us get along quite well if we can leave politics out of these conversations. I am aware that these words seem hypocritical coming from me but I am trying to learn from my mistakes. If a forum member asks for help and I can give it, it would be nice to NOT be hesitant to do so based on something the guy posted in on a social topic.
One final thing:
I believe in God but I don't walk around quoting scripture. On some forums, I see members posting way too much religious references for my tastes. I don''t hold it against them, I just scroll on past. It can be difficult to tune out what bothers you. It isn't easy for me either.
It was in FBBO General Forums, not the PF, the first time someone, (this is directed toward Kern Dog) maybe you, I didn't notice, "rudely" called me: "ghaycharger". You certainly did it here, so you won't mind if I get advice on manners from someone else, will you?
You come back from your ban and right off tell a lie, attributing words of another to me. If it was an accident, you made the same mistake twice at least. There was no: I'm sorry I threatened someone, no, I'm sorry I called others names; it's: oh, gee, I can't help myself. How can you be offended by a joke? I get overly emotional and people make me do it. Ain't I a stinker?
No, Bugs Bunny is a stinker. Bugs is funny.
...So if we are going to talk about online personas, I'm sorry, but I don't see how calling someone gay is funny and not rude. Please explain.
Oh, you got warned by a Moderator. Was it the Mod who posted the thing of the Michelle Obama photo morphing into a Gorilla? Can you believe he doesn't like me either? Hmm. Please explain the humor in that, buddy. I guess I'm just not getting you guys.
Unless I can have unfettered access to every single post and PM I made at FBBO, you have no right to make accusations or pretend to know me. I have zero access and can't prove what I wrote, so don't be putting words in my mouth. I do sound bad though, a "trouble maker", wasn't it? Keep trying, I'm starting to hate me... oh, that darn self esteem going down again.
As far as Teachers, I was the one to stand up to them in Middle School. I traded punches with a 40 year old ex Marine Social Studies Teacher in the courtyard. Another reason I don't like bullies. I just realized: that's in my permanent record! Where do they keep those records? I'll bet there's stuff I forget. Sorry, Mom
Of course I got my ass kicked!
But don't call me a liar unless you are willing to bet. $1,000 to a Veteran's charity of my choice is the bet, otherwise, stifle yourself.
Quote from: greycharger on July 11, 2020, 09:28:23 PM
...So if we are going to talk about online personas, I'm sorry, but I don't see how calling someone gay is funny and not rude. Please explain.
Humor is such a subjective thing. What you find funny may fall flat with me. What I laugh at may seem immature and inane to you. That is how the cookie crumbles.
When I call someone "Gay" it isn't always literal. I have no idea if you prefer men or not. Jokes are not always meant to be 100 % true or factual. They are often a caricature of the truth.
The GIF of the lady morphing into a gorilla was hilarious no matter who posted it. After learning that you object to that, it paints a clearer picture of what you find funny.
I learned many years ago that some people are not going to find my humor funny. Some do, some don't. I grew up watching Don Rickles, Andrew Dice Clay, George Carlin, Sam Kinison and Chris Rock. I like humor that some find offensive and it reflects in what I write and say. The people that I find most interesting are not always the most polite or introverted.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo
:cheers:
Rodney Dangerfield! :smilielol:
Quote from: greycharger on July 10, 2020, 03:22:01 PM
So FBBO is the only Mopar site with permanent bans?
Permanent bans exist everywhere. Even here.
Troy
People even get banned from YellowBullet and that is a wild site!
You still haven't explained HOW these things are funny. Because they aren't funny. George Carlin et al could have explained what was behind all of his jokes.
For example: Many have poked fun of how fat and pudgy Trump is and how silly is not wearing a mask. One joke based on those issues might be: Spittle is high in calories, making the maskless Trump a ramp challenged tub of lard.
To simply point out that Trump is a lump of lard is not funny to normal adults, it may be for children, but presenting the high caloric spittle he's eating to explain why he walks like a penguin, is funny.
Buy a joke book and get a feel for what is actually humorous.
Quote from: greycharger on July 14, 2020, 10:05:31 AM
You still haven't explained HOW these things are funny. Because they aren't funny. George Carlin et al could have explained what was behind all of his jokes.
For example: Many have poked fun of how fat and pudgy Trump is and how silly is not wearing a mask. One joke based on those issues might be: Spittle is high in calories, making the maskless Trump a ramp challenged tub of lard.
To simply point out that Trump is a lump of lard is not funny to normal adults, it may be for children, but presenting the high caloric spittle he's eating to explain why he walks like a penguin, is funny.
Buy a joke book and get a feel for what is actually humorous.
Good Lord, give it a rest already.. :horse:
Quote from: greycharger on July 14, 2020, 10:05:31 AM
You still haven't explained HOW these things are funny. Because they aren't funny. George Carlin et al could have explained what was behind all of his jokes.
For example: Many have poked fun of how fat and pudgy Trump is and how silly is not wearing a mask. One joke based on those issues might be: Spittle is high in calories, making the maskless Trump a ramp challenged tub of lard.
To simply point out that Trump is a lump of lard is not funny to normal adults, it may be for children, but presenting the high caloric spittle he's eating to explain why he walks like a penguin, is funny.
Buy a joke book and get a feel for what is actually humorous.
So it's not okay for Kerndog to call you gay (on another forum), but it is okay to call our president a ramp challenged tub of lard that walks like a penguin?
I'm having a hard time not telling you my thoughts about you right now.
let it go
I have been acused on this site of being short and rude because i dont sugar coat things alot of times. I am usually straight forward with facts or direct 1 sentence questions. I dont care to write up a 3 paragraph detailed response every time someone posts the repeat questions that always end up online. Now get me in person in the garage or at a meet and i will talk, discuss, and bantor til the cows come home or the beer runs out. Keyboards can make it difficult to read a person at times.
Quote from: Lennard on July 14, 2020, 10:34:41 AM
So it's not okay for Kerndog to call you gay (on another forum), but it is okay to call our president a ramp challenged tub of lard that walks like a penguin?
There's an obvious difference between a personal insult to a member here and an insult to a well-known public figure.
Quote from: John_Kunkel on July 14, 2020, 01:32:19 PM
Quote from: Lennard on July 14, 2020, 10:34:41 AM
So it's not okay for Kerndog to call you gay (on another forum), but it is okay to call our president a ramp challenged tub of lard that walks like a penguin?
There's an obvious difference between a personal insult to a member here and an insult to a well-known public figure.
The Gaycharger/Kerndog incident didn't happen on this forum, but on fbbo. :pity:
Quote from: greycharger on July 14, 2020, 10:05:31 AM
You still haven't explained HOW these things are funny.
I edited out the political portion from your post. I've been in violation of the rules many times and even banned twice. Maybe it is your turn?
To answer the quoted question about humor:
Who the hell knows?? I'm not a psychologist. I'm not schooled in interpreting what is in our brains making decisions on what makes us laugh or why. I know what works for me. The same things sometime resonate with others. I can't help what makes me laugh any more than you can help what you like.
Have you ever played team sports? Ever been in the Military? Ever work with a bunch of guys hand in hand?
I have done all three. I get along fine with people. Joking and "locker room banter" is a type of male bonding that creates a sense of brotherhood among men. Insults, pranks, favors and compliments all factor in.
It is actually rare for me to have trouble with people in person. I joke and do silly things all the time. It is that or I get really bored. I hate being bored. I can't fathom how the introverted and quiet people can be that way.
Quote from: timmycharger link=topic=137931.msg1713116#msg1713116 date=1594739813
Good Lord, give it a rest already.. :horse:
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Now that horse is funny :lol:
5 PAGES of this drivel ?
But saying 3.4 Million cases and skyrocketing is a threat to our collective economic well being..... and we can't afford any further STUPIDITY so WEAR THE DAMN MASKS ! is somehow 'political' and may get me banned ?
Now back to the regularly scheduled....
5 pages of frigg'in drivel !
Quote from: Challenger340 on July 14, 2020, 08:53:23 PM
5 PAGES of this drivel ?
But saying 3.4 Million cases and skyrocketing is a threat to our collective economic well being..... and we can't afford any further STUPIDITY so WEAR THE DAMN MASKS ! is somehow 'political' and may get me banned ?
Now back to the regularly scheduled....
5 pages of frigg'in drivel !
If ya get banned upon returning start your own banned from the site but now I'm back thread :chatting: :lol:
Quote from: Challenger340 on July 14, 2020, 08:53:23 PM
5 PAGES of this drivel ?
But saying 3.4 Million cases and skyrocketing is a threat to our collective economic well being..... and we can't afford any further STUPIDITY so WEAR THE DAMN MASKS ! is somehow 'political' and may get me banned ?
Now back to the regularly scheduled....
5 pages of frigg'in drivel !
If you don't like it, walk on by and look at something else.
I find the 3 word thread and others like it somewhat inane but I have resisted clicking on those threads just to piss on them.
Since you act as if you are better than others, ignoring what you don't like should be an easy task for you.
Quote from: Challenger340 on July 14, 2020, 08:53:23 PM
5 PAGES of this drivel ?
But saying 3.4 Million cases and skyrocketing is a threat to our collective economic well being..... and we can't afford any further STUPIDITY so WEAR THE DAMN MASKS ! is somehow 'political' and may get me banned ?
I will leave 1 comment about the masks, at least in America. As a professional who worked in nuclear biological and chemical warfare, the masks are a joke. They are creating a false sense of protection among people and are ultimately leading to the spread in this country due to that false sense of protection.
You are probably right. I only wear a mask when I'm being made to. But where I live, most things haven't reopened yet. Other than gas, groceries and.....beer (yes, Corona), spirits etc., there is no where else to go. We still can't go into a gym, theatre or inside a restaurant - limited outdoor patio seating only....and that wasn't allowed until two weeks ago! Does it suck? Big time! Am I glad they are opening slowly and cautiously here? I reluctantly say - Yes.
I point to the states that opened everything over a month ago - and now they are spiking. We have double the population of say - Arizona.
We are now down to around 120 cases per day and slowly dropping from there. Arizona, at half my population is in the 1000's per day. Being twice as bad in numbers is bad enough. 60-80 times worse? That's insane. People can say it's all BS, fake, unfounded - whatever. It should stay a medical issue and not a political one. The truth is - everything is going to be a new reality for quite some time.
What really sucks is that I have been looking to buy a home there, have many friends there, and I can't go there.
I guess that means I am banned from there - Lol.
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on July 15, 2020, 06:45:35 AM
Quote from: Challenger340 on July 14, 2020, 08:53:23 PM
5 PAGES of this drivel ?
But saying 3.4 Million cases and skyrocketing is a threat to our collective economic well being..... and we can't afford any further STUPIDITY so WEAR THE DAMN MASKS ! is somehow 'political' and may get me banned ?
I will leave 1 comment about the masks, at least in America. As a professional who worked in nuclear biological and chemical warfare, the masks are a joke. They are creating a false sense of protection among people and are ultimately leading to the spread in this country due to that false sense of protection.
That's just not true....even the most simple mask or face covering...like a bandanna or homemade material mask will stop the majority of the bigger droplets in your breath or spit that contain the virus. Its true that wearing one will only decrease your chances of catching it by about 15% due to it not sealing well to you face....but it will reduce your chances of giving it to someone else by about 70%.....an improvement worth the annoyance I think. The spread in your great nation is caused by a lot of people not caring about it or being under the illusion its a direct attack on your liberty or constitution...and therefore ignoring lockdown and travel restrictions....even allowing big crowd event go ahead all over the place is not helping....its not that mask don't help.
Just look at the countries that are fighting it well....most have been wearing masks for quite a while....71 countries now have some sort of mask required at certain times...its not done for fun!!!
The professional masks that virologists etc wear are to do a different job..... they work in an environment where there could be free floating virus about....so yes it hasmet suit and proper gas fed masks..... What we are trying to stop with surgical masks etc is droplets that those virus are in when they leave the body....tens of thousands of times bigger than an individual virus which can be caught by pretty much anything in front of your face. If you worked in those settings I would have thought you would have known better!
If they didn't work it would mean that surgeons have been wasting there time wearing masks all those years....again they don't where then to stop them catching stuff from the patient....its to stop them getting spit and bacteria etc into an open wound....by catching the droplets in there breath. The fact that people moan they get wet and difficult to breath through after long term wear kind of proves the point and how much moisture from your breath they catch.
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on July 15, 2020, 06:45:35 AM
I will leave 1 comment about the masks, at least in America. As a professional who worked in nuclear biological and chemical warfare, the masks are a joke. They are creating a false sense of protection among people and are ultimately leading to the spread in this country due to that false sense of protection.
Are you stating that as a fact or a "me too" opinion?
Im not interested in a debate on the subject. My job was in biological warfare. Among other things, i took things that were bred to kill you in a test tube and find ways to prevent it from doing so. Ive seen things no man should ever have to see and have to live with it for the rest of my life. So you beleive whatever you want, i really dont care.
Quote from: Kern Dog on July 14, 2020, 10:08:29 PM
Quote from: Challenger340 on July 14, 2020, 08:53:23 PM
5 PAGES of this drivel ?
But saying 3.4 Million cases and skyrocketing is a threat to our collective economic well being..... and we can't afford any further STUPIDITY so WEAR THE DAMN MASKS ! is somehow 'political' and may get me banned ?
Now back to the regularly scheduled....
5 pages of frigg'in drivel !
If you don't like it, walk on by and look at something else.
I find the 3 word thread and others like it somewhat inane but I have resisted clicking on those threads just to piss on them.
Since you act as if you are better than others, ignoring what you don't like should be an easy task for you.
Amazing you can't follow ur own advice ? How many of my threads were locked because dumbass poked ur nose in ?
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on July 15, 2020, 04:00:52 PM
Im not interested in a debate on the subject. My job was in biological warfare. Among other things, i took things that were bred to kill you in a test tube and find ways to prevent it from doing so. Ive seen things no man should ever have to see and have to live with it for the rest of my life.
And I am not interested in any debate on the subject either, as I too was a Hazardous Materials Techologist / CBRN Response Team Leader for a major North American Fire Dept for 20 years..... and I would disagree with your assessment specific to reducing indirect exposures, with no contra-indications in transmission present to their useage thus far ?
So you beleive whatever you want,
I really don't care either.Go ahead and pm Ron (Firefighhter3931), I think he can confirm my credentials as well.
Quote from: Challenger340 on July 15, 2020, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on July 15, 2020, 04:00:52 PM
Im not interested in a debate on the subject. My job was in biological warfare. Among other things, i took things that were bred to kill you in a test tube and find ways to prevent it from doing so. Ive seen things no man should ever have to see and have to live with it for the rest of my life.
And I am not interested in any debate on the subject either, as I too was a Hazardous Materials Techologist / CBRN Response Team Leader for a major North American Fire Dept for 20 years..... and I would disagree with your assessment specific to reducing indirect exposures, with no contra-indications in transmission present to their useage thus far ?
So you beleive whatever you want, I really don't care either.
Go ahead and pm Ron (Firefighhter3931), I think he can confirm my credentials as well.
I dont need to pm ron, i have walls full of my own credentials that i dont advertise and i dont doubt yours. I went well above cbrn, but i did cbrn as well. Doesnt really matter. I know what i tested and developed.
....and yet still have know understanding of the science of wearing mask to reduce the spread of COVID....bit worrying really!!!
I, for one value, the RV salesman's expert option over a couple of retired biotech guys.
Despite the fact; that one of them is full of shit half the time. :icon_smile_big:
...yeah right.....Even a five minute Google will show you who's right and who's wrong on this subject....not that you will believe anything that might contradict you as its sure to be a Liberal conspiracy or might be an attack on your Freedom, Liberty, or the constitution..... :rofl:
Mask wearing and politics are two separate subjects....and if you dont want this thread locked like many other in a similar vein...then we might be best keeping it that way.
Quote from: alfaitalia on July 16, 2020, 09:58:54 AM
....and yet still have know understanding of the science of wearing mask to reduce the spread of COVID....bit worrying really!!!
Coming from the one who can be quoted as saying the mask has a 70% success rate, yet the virus is still rising exponentially and americans are wearing them with our economy shut down and in shambles. China and other asian countries have been wearing masks in public for years yet where did this start and spread? Recheck your own facts before telling me what my job and results dictated as a biological weapons engineer.
Quote from: alfaitalia on July 16, 2020, 12:46:23 PM
...yeah right.....Even a five minute Google will show you who's right and who's wrong on this subject....not that you will believe anything that might contradict you as its sure to be a Liberal conspiracy or might be an attack on your Freedom, Liberty, or the constitution..... :rofl:
Mask wearing and politics are two separate subjects....and if you dont want this thread locked like many other in a similar vein...then we might be best keeping it that way.
I have not said anything about liberals, freedoms, or conspiracies. Simply the ineffectiveness of masks and their false sense of security.
....not my info....just quoted from many medical online (non political) sources...sure the % varies a few points from source to source but lets say (for arguments sake)its only 10% improvement...(its much higher)...thats still potentially thousands less infected. Dont keep quoting your qualifications like some spoilt child (my dad says I'm cleverer than you!!!)...we get it you are a clever guy. But some of the brightest most qualified guys I know are deaf to others views and are often lacking in the common sense of my less well educated friends....so i dont see it proves much.
Like us (UK)...you (USA...not you personally!)did too little too late...and still are...the numbers speak for themselves. We are not allowed big crowd events like Carlisle etc and from many of the posts on here and FBBO....many of you dont care less and are just living life as normal......hows that helping? Its rising exponentially because not enough is being done....keep people apart, dont allow crowds and the infection rate will decrease....simple as that. You have to be close enough to cough, spit or breathe on someone or touch a surface infected by someone infected whos touched their face etc first. Its not magic and you cant catch it other ways. So logic will tell a clever man like you that if you reduce those two things...so wear masks, stay two metres apart regularly antibac your hands, dont allow people to form groups (where the above is near impossible) then you make it way less likely to spread. Is it really such an inconvenience to wear a mask for a while???
Ill leave you guys to argue it out as Im off for a pint in my local pubs sunny garden...the first time its been allowed to open since the 24 March....its gonna taste great and it might even have been worth the wait....
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on July 16, 2020, 12:49:28 PM
Quote from: alfaitalia on July 16, 2020, 12:46:23 PM
...yeah right.....Even a five minute Google will show you who's right and who's wrong on this subject....not that you will believe anything that might contradict you as its sure to be a Liberal conspiracy or might be an attack on your Freedom, Liberty, or the constitution..... :rofl:
Mask wearing and politics are two separate subjects....and if you dont want this thread locked like many other in a similar vein...then we might be best keeping it that way.
I have not said anything about liberals, freedoms, or conspiracies. Simply the ineffectiveness of masks and their false sense of security.
True...you didnt....but many other poster have......
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on July 15, 2020, 04:00:52 PM
Im not interested in a debate on the subject. My job was in biological warfare. Among other things, i took things that were bred to kill you in a test tube and find ways to prevent it from doing so. Ive seen things no man should ever have to see and have to live with it for the rest of my life. So you beleive whatever you want, i really dont care.
And how are these biological agents dispersed? By a cloud that covers a huge area and remains airborne or by a single dose equivalent to a sneeze?
Lets compare apples to apples.
Quote from: John_Kunkel on July 16, 2020, 01:31:29 PM
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on July 15, 2020, 04:00:52 PM
Im not interested in a debate on the subject. My job was in biological warfare. Among other things, i took things that were bred to kill you in a test tube and find ways to prevent it from doing so. Ive seen things no man should ever have to see and have to live with it for the rest of my life. So you beleive whatever you want, i really dont care.
And how are these biological agents dispersed? By a cloud that covers a huge area and remains airborne or by a single dose equivalent to a sneeze?
Lets compare apples to apples.
Its not world war 1 anymore john, no.
Quote from: alfaitalia on July 16, 2020, 01:10:36 PM
....not my info....just quoted from many medical online (non political) sources...sure the % varies a few points from source to source but lets say (for arguments sake)its only 10% improvement...(its much higher)...thats still potentially thousands less infected. Dont keep quoting your qualifications like some spoilt child (my dad says I'm cleverer than you!!!)...we get it you are a clever guy. But some of the brightest most qualified guys I know are deaf to others views and are often lacking in the common sense of my less well educated friends....so i dont see it proves much.
Like us (UK)...you (USA...not you personally!)did too little too late...and still are...the numbers speak for themselves. We are not allowed big crowd events like Carlisle etc and from many of the posts on here and FBBO....many of you dont care less and are just living life as normal......hows that helping? Its rising exponentially because not enough is being done....keep people apart, dont allow crowds and the infection rate will decrease....simple as that. You have to be close enough to cough, spit or breathe on someone or touch a surface infected by someone infected whos touched their face etc first. Its not magic and you cant catch it other ways. So logic will tell a clever man like you that if you reduce those two things...so wear masks, stay two metres apart regularly antibac your hands, dont allow people to form groups (where the above is near impossible) then you make it way less likely to spread. Is it really such an inconvenience to wear a mask for a while???
Ill leave you guys to argue it out as Im off for a pint in my local pubs sunny garden...the first time its been allowed to open since the 24 March....its gonna taste great and it might even have been worth the wait....
I spoke of "credentials " only because it was questioned. I still havnt laid anything in writing out because i dont care to. Im not arguing but how are you going to a pub and drinking while wearing a mask out of bottles that were handled by potentially infected citizens? Much safer to drink at home......
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on July 16, 2020, 02:03:37 PM
Quote from: alfaitalia on July 16, 2020, 01:10:36 PM
....not my info....just quoted from many medical online (non political) sources...sure the % varies a few points from source to source but lets say (for arguments sake)its only 10% improvement...(its much higher)...thats still potentially thousands less infected. Dont keep quoting your qualifications like some spoilt child (my dad says I'm cleverer than you!!!)...we get it you are a clever guy. But some of the brightest most qualified guys I know are deaf to others views and are often lacking in the common sense of my less well educated friends....so i dont see it proves much.
Like us (UK)...you (USA...not you personally!)did too little too late...and still are...the numbers speak for themselves. We are not allowed big crowd events like Carlisle etc and from many of the posts on here and FBBO....many of you dont care less and are just living life as normal......hows that helping? Its rising exponentially because not enough is being done....keep people apart, dont allow crowds and the infection rate will decrease....simple as that. You have to be close enough to cough, spit or breathe on someone or touch a surface infected by someone infected whos touched their face etc first. Its not magic and you cant catch it other ways. So logic will tell a clever man like you that if you reduce those two things...so wear masks, stay two metres apart regularly antibac your hands, dont allow people to form groups (where the above is near impossible) then you make it way less likely to spread. Is it really such an inconvenience to wear a mask for a while???
Ill leave you guys to argue it out as Im off for a pint in my local pubs sunny garden...the first time its been allowed to open since the 24 March....its gonna taste great and it might even have been worth the wait....
I spoke of "credentials " only because it was questioned. I still havnt laid anything in writing out because i dont care to. Im not arguing but how are you going to a pub and drinking while wearing a mask out of bottles that were handled by potentially infected citizens? Much safer to drink at home......
I think you misunderstood,YOU wear a mask he's going to have a beer in a crowd without one :lol:
Back now...it was in the pub garden...no mask needed. Not sure I will go back for a while though. One way system, screens both on the bar and between the customers at the bar, masked, visored and gloved bar staff, distancing whilst inside or out, slow service due to constant cleaning and glove changing or antibac application..all very safe I'm sure...but it all kinds of took the edge off the experience.
Bars and restaurants are the only indoor places we dont have to wear masks from next Friday...and no I've no idea why they don't start these things straight away either..they gave us two weeks notice before you had to wear them on public transport too! Why!?
I will take your advice and drink at home for a while I think.....something I don't really do at is more a social thing for me.
I dont have to wait in line at my garage fridge and the music is always good
For the pro masker 😷
:shruggy:
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/07/15/a-scientific-look-at-the-mask-fallacy-and-why-were-told-to-wear-them/
I am not a mask wearing guy unless I have no choice. I hate that it is being pushed on us.
I voluntarily wear one when sanding body filler, painting and yesterday....I was scraping undercoating from "JIgsaw".
I think that it should be a personal choice.
Quote from: MoparMike68 on July 16, 2020, 08:11:11 PM
For the pro masker 😷
:shruggy:
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/07/15/a-scientific-look-at-the-mask-fallacy-and-why-were-told-to-wear-them/
Hmm. Listen to the CDC or a Behavioral Analyst, Keynote Speaker, Corporate Trainer?
Give me some time to think.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Okay, I'm wearing a mask.
There lies the problem. Even the "Trusted" sources have been back and forth on the issue. I use common sense. The ones that say It isn't to protect you, it is to protect others from you... may THINK that they are making sense but if I'm not infected, the mask is just slowing me down. Should all cars be restricted to 15 mph because some drivers may be dangerous?
No.
....sand theres the rub.....you never know if you are infected or not....until you pass it to someone vulnerable and they die....then you know when its traced back to you!!
As a kid I carried strep silently (no fever or sore throat). They figured it out after treating others in my family over and over again. I still keep an eye out for people around me who might have it in case the same thing happens again. I am wearing a mask out of respect for others. I can also tell who is man enough to do the same pretty easily by looking around.
Quote from: alfaitalia on July 17, 2020, 04:36:11 AM
....sand theres the rub.....you never know if you are infected or not....until you pass it to someone vulnerable and they die....then you know when its traced back to you!!
I have never lived my life as a doomsayer. I don't go around worrying about things. I'm not hanging out in nursing homes or ICU departments either.
Quote from: Kern Dog on July 16, 2020, 11:59:21 PM
but if I'm not infected, the mask is just slowing me down.
But how do you know you're not infected? Think incubation time. Think Typhoid Mary.
Quote from: MoparMike68 on July 16, 2020, 08:11:11 PM
For the pro masker 😷
:shruggy:
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/07/15/a-scientific-look-at-the-mask-fallacy-and-why-were-told-to-wear-them/
Another cherry-picked opinion. Keep disbelieving and Darwin will win out.
For those who believe survival means a return to normal consider this:
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200513/complications-on-the-road-to-recovery-after-covid
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brains-idUSKBN24837S?fbclid=IwAR3xoKlDM0qD2MQEqBWWs_pWLPdjXR0iF7YpEABcGkdqdFHwuq7_LQEG-v8
Here are some links to look at regarding mask usage and their "effectiveness" I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions based off of what you find below when you read into them :2thumbs:
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/face-masks-and-surgical-masks-covid-19-manufacturing-purchasing-importing-and-donating-masks-during
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/fs-Important-information-cloth-face-covering.pdf
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948-t1
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/question-and-answers-hub/q-a-detail/q-a-on-covid-19-and-masks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yjxWfyxpqY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yjxWfyxpqY)
Just an observation:
Not sure what others do but When someone posts a bunch of links, I usually ignore them. I will read what a person posts though.
Richard Cranium....That guy will post the article text along with a link. That will get my attention.
Incubation period?
I've stated numerous times that I think that this is a giant social experiment. I agree that the virus exists but I refuse to believe the doomsayer agenda. Forces way high up saw this and are taking huge advantage of it by means of social conditioning. Just because something seems far fetched does not mean that it is impossible. In this case, a virus that kills less than almost any other commonly known ailment has been used to change peoples lives and their economic position, at a very curious time as well.
When a situation out of the normal pattern arises like this one did, I look to see who benefits from it.
Quote from: Kern Dog on July 16, 2020, 11:59:21 PM
There lies the problem. Even the "Trusted" sources have been back and forth on the issue. I use common sense. The ones that say It isn't to protect you, it is to protect others from you... may THINK that they are making sense but if I'm not infected, the mask is just slowing me down. Should all cars be restricted to 15 mph because some drivers may be dangerous?
No.
Yes! If those drivers cannot be identified as dangerous, or when they will be dangerous, and it is a national emergency, and lives can be saved. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
If there might be a dangerouse man eating grizzly in the woods. I 'm not going hiking. This is why people with high I.Q.s have longer life expectancies.
Google " Covid 19, Port Clinton, Ohio". Healthy 37 year old that survived his tours in the Gulf wasn't going to let anyone tell him to wear a mask. DEAD. Who knows who he is taking with him. That's the rub.
Don't temp God, K.D.
I see in the news this evening that your leader was wearing one and saying what a good idea they are and promoting their use after saying that he would not wear one and doubting their effectiveness....hmm.
Sorry, guys. Every time I see someone suggest to use "Google" I cringe. They are heavily biased with their searches.
Only a source but good points on both sides I never liked crowds, always practiced basic hygiene with lots of hand washing
and I'm picky about what I eat also I'm a bit of a germ freak. Howie Mandel and I have a lot in common :yesnod:
I'm also the guy that won't eat the cake if someone blows on it and was always mindful of those in your face talking types of people so none of this is new to me.
Except now that it's new to everyone else I can't find wipes or Purell and paper towels :brickwall:
Do masks work probably to the extent of coughing in your sleeve but it's better then in your face Covid or not.
In NJ masks are mandatory in businesses,I wear it only because I have to I prefer people stay away from me except for hot woman
They get a pass. :lol:
Quote from: Kern Dog on July 17, 2020, 06:07:44 PM
Sorry, guys. Every time I see someone suggest to use "Google" I cringe. They are heavily biased with their searches.
No bias. It's local news.
Quote from: stripedelete on July 17, 2020, 06:19:40 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on July 17, 2020, 06:07:44 PM
Sorry, guys. Every time I see someone suggest to use "Google" I cringe. They are heavily biased with their searches.
No bias. It's local news.
No bias. It's local news...The media's four largest conglomerates Comcast,Disney,AT&T, and Viacom are left leaning
Oh yeah No politics :lol:
Quote from: MoparMike68 on July 17, 2020, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: stripedelete on July 17, 2020, 06:19:40 PM
Quote from: Kern Dog on July 17, 2020, 06:07:44 PM
Sorry, guys. Every time I see someone suggest to use "Google" I cringe. They are heavily biased with their searches.
No bias. It's local news.
No bias. It's local news...The media's four largest conglomerates Comcast,Disney,AT&T, and Viacom are left leaning
Oh yeah No politics :lol:
Ok. Ill rephrase it. "It happened locally". It is a local "event". It's not something I became aware of via the news media.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/richard-rose-covid-face-mask/
I'm going to look like a hard case here but Snopes is on par with Google/Facebook/Twitter as far as their clear bias.
It is hard to find impartial information.
Bear with me on this, I am trying to state my opinion respectfully without triggering anyone. I'm glad to see that this topic has remained somewhat civil.
I have made efforts in my day to day life (away from the computer) to talk less about politics. I do find it hard to stay informed without feeling polluted by the overwhelming influence of one agenda or another. It isn't as if I am always bitter or angry, I just don't want to be the guy that only talks about that stuff.
I have to stop myself from burdening the wife with it although we are in agreement on almost everything. I'm more willing to take a stand and face the consequences.
As an aside:
The movie American History X told the story of a man that became a leader in a White supremacist movement who was jailed after a brutal scuffle with a carjacker. In prison, he slowly changed his tune and lost his hatred for other races and vowed to live a better life once he was released. At one point, he spoke of how all the fighting, all the hate....never made his life better. He wanted to leave it behind.
I think about that and wonder if there is a way to reconcile that ideology with politics. How do I stand up for what I believe in while staying informed on issues that could affect me?
Being informed is the basis on which you should form beliefs but, if you reject information solely because you don't trust the politics of the source, you remain uninformed. You reject Google, Snopes and posted links, so staying informed and what you believe in are at odds with each other.
The only other way to form beliefs is by systematic brainwashing via religion or party affiliation.
:popcrn:
Just draw from personal experiences. Don't watch ANY news!
For me, it was real when I got it and later had a friend die.
And another and another and another.
Got grandkids that may or may not go back to school. Worried about that!
Immunity? 3-6 months is the common thinking. So, I'm almost up, if I stretch it to 6!!
BUT, they say you are better equipped if you are exposed again. :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy:
If you don't know anyone that had it, or live away from population centers, consider yourself lucky!
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnists/mitch-albom/2020/07/19/mitch-albom-covid-19/5465106002/
Good read, not political, that makes sense...
Quote from: odcics2 on July 19, 2020, 11:02:52 AM
Just draw from personal experiences. Don't watch ANY news!
For me, it was real when I got it and later had a friend die.
And another and another and another.
Got grandkids that may or may not go back to school. Worried about that!
Immunity? 3-6 months is the common thinking. So, I'm almost up, if I stretch it to 6!!
BUT, they say you are better equipped if you are exposed again. :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy:
If you don't know anyone that had it, or live away from population centers, consider yourself lucky!
Sounds like your having a hard time with it, I know of only one a family member that tested positive he's eighty three
no symptoms or issues and has since recovered.
What location do you reside?
I know of no one that has had it. I've heard of people that knew others but nobody that I know personally has gotten tested or died. I know of people that had severe colds back at the start of the year but no confirmed cases.
Probably depends where you live and where in the country you live as to whether you have run into people who have had it or not. I live in an area that has been a hotspot for some time now. I know people who run the gamut of outcomes from mild, to complications, and at least one to death.
Quote from: MoparMike68 on July 19, 2020, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on July 19, 2020, 11:02:52 AM
Just draw from personal experiences. Don't watch ANY news!
For me, it was real when I got it and later had a friend die.
And another and another and another.
Got grandkids that may or may not go back to school. Worried about that!
Immunity? 3-6 months is the common thinking. So, I'm almost up, if I stretch it to 6!!
BUT, they say you are better equipped if you are exposed again. :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy:
If you don't know anyone that had it, or live away from population centers, consider yourself lucky!
Sounds like your having a hard time with it, I know of only one a family member that tested positive he's eighty three
no symptoms or issues and has since recovered.
What location do you reside?
N. of Detroit.
My brother lost a 50 year old coworker.
His girlfriend had it and recovered.
The metro Detroit area got hit hard early on.
why I would stop at a traffic light?? ?? that is against my freedom!!!!
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on July 20, 2020, 12:56:27 PM
why I would stop at a traffic light?? ?? that is against my freedom!!!!
You would only stop if you care about the safety of your family and the safety of others. And if you understand you have to cooperate to have a civilazation. However, if it's your world and everyone else is just living in it, then all bets are off.
Personally, I'm keeping score. Going forward, I will have no compassion for, and offer no assistance to, those who have increased the risk to me and mine in during this emergency. It is unfortunate we will not be able to handle it they way they did with the Nazi collaborators during the liberation of Europe.
Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on July 20, 2020, 12:56:27 PM
why I would stop at a traffic light?? ?? that is against my freedom!!!!
You are free to do so as long as you don't get caught :lol: