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Title: AC Heater Harness MOD - How do you Test the TIME DELAY RELAY
Post by: john108 on April 29, 2016, 01:15:05 PM
Hi
I took the Dash Assembly apart years ago and thought I marked all connections.
I am trying to compare new M&H harnesses to original harness and had some confusion.
The picture shows the AC Heater harness, after I disconnected it from the entire Dash Assembly Harness (which came out as a single harness).

Do you know where the 2 connectors, CIRCLED IN RED, attach?
Thank you,
John
Title: Re: AC Heater Harness (2 Connections) Question
Post by: WHITE AND RED 69 on April 29, 2016, 02:35:02 PM
They connect to a control box on the bottom of the a/c box
Title: Re: AC Heater Harness (2 Connections) Question
Post by: john108 on April 29, 2016, 04:19:01 PM
Thankyou WHITE AND RED 69.
My '68 heater box looks like yours.
I guess I didn't attach that component yet.
Is there a preferred location for each wire, One wire is Blue and the other is Brown?
I HOPE the wiring diagram or pictures I took show it.
Title: Re: AC Heater Harness (2 Connections) Question
Post by: WHITE AND RED 69 on April 29, 2016, 08:43:03 PM
I just stole that photo from ebay but I can check mine in the car to see which wire goes which terminal. But I'm pretty sure the blue wire goes to the terminal closest to the seat?
Title: Re: AC Heater Harness (2 Connections) Question
Post by: john108 on May 01, 2016, 12:58:41 AM
The attached picture is from my Service Manual.  I am interpreting the BL and BR wires relative to their positions to the 45 degree chamfer and small circles.
The service manual picture appears to be looking from the back of the part or a mirror image if it.
I seem to notice places where the service manual doesn't match the real parts.
Title: Re: AC Heater Harness MOD - How do you Test the TIME DELAY RELAY
Post by: john108 on May 02, 2016, 01:00:11 AM
How do you Test the TIME DELAY RELAY.  Two Pictures Shown Above.
Title: Re: AC Heater Harness MOD - How do you Test the TIME DELAY RELAY
Post by: Bronzedodge on May 06, 2016, 09:20:24 PM
Ok, it actually doesn't matter which wire go on the time delay relay terminals.  It's just a SPST switch, doesn't reference ground.  The test is that the compressor clutch will engage - A/C on - for 1 to 10 minutes, and the heat or defrost buttons are selected, if the interior is above approx 25 deg F.  If you're super cold, no A/C.  The purpose is to reduce fogging/condensation on the windshield, i.e., dry, dehumidified air.  FSM page 24-10 in '69 book

Mine had started to hang up - running the A/C longer that 10 minutes on a cool day with the heat on.
Title: Re: AC Heater Harness MOD - How do you Test the TIME DELAY RELAY
Post by: Nacho-RT74 on May 07, 2016, 11:14:46 AM
can I ask what's the function of the Time delay on this sistem AND, why later cars didn't got it?
Title: Re: AC Heater Harness MOD - How do you Test the TIME DELAY RELAY
Post by: Nacho-RT74 on May 07, 2016, 11:16:18 AM
Quote from: Bronzedodge on May 06, 2016, 09:20:24 PM
The test is that the compressor clutch will engage - A/C on - for 1 to 10 minutes, and the heat or defrost buttons are selected, if the interior is above approx 25 deg F.  If you're super cold, no A/C.  The purpose is to reduce fogging/condensation on the windshield, i.e., dry, dehumidified air.  FSM page 24-10 in '69 book

Mine had started to hang up - running the A/C longer that 10 minutes on a cool day with the heat on.

I guess here is a partiall answer, but still don't get it
Title: Re: AC Heater Harness MOD - How do you Test the TIME DELAY RELAY
Post by: Bronzedodge on May 08, 2016, 08:43:52 AM
The first thing ANY good A/C system does is dehumidify the air.  The engineers wanted to avoid starting the car on a humid fall day and having the system fog up the inside of the windshield for a minute before the heater core warmed up.  They were thinking of dewpoints and such.

In actuality, the temp/humidity conditions for excessive fogging on the inside of the glass usually do not last long.  I think maybe they wanted to keep compressor oil freshly splashed on the shaft seal during the winter months to slow/avoid leakage of refrigerant.  Bottom line is the compressor runs 10 minutes max when you run Heat or Defrost during the winter.
Title: Re: AC Heater Harness MOD - How do you Test the TIME DELAY RELAY
Post by: john108 on May 09, 2016, 01:16:24 AM
I understand your explanation as it is similar to the service manual.  I have it in my hand now and was wondering how to test it before I install it. 

Vacuum, electrical tests??

I may not get to install and run the AC for a while.
Title: Re: AC Heater Harness MOD - How do you Test the TIME DELAY RELAY
Post by: Bronzedodge on May 12, 2016, 07:56:39 AM
Wire it in series with a small load - it should be normally closed, and then open after 10 minutes max.  The amp draw for the compressor clutch is between 2.7 to 4.6 amps, depending on weather you have an aluminum wound or copper wound clutch coil.