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Greetings All,

In just the past year, I have had several people contact me asking for more information on the Petty/Corporate Blue cars.  Is anyone interested in starting a thread devoted to registering the VINs, options and ownership data on these cars?  I don't want to start posting VINs unless the owners of those cars approve.  If most of these cars were painted in small batches at the end of VIN runs, we may be able to get a better guess as to how many were made. :scratchchin:

Thanks,
Brennan R. Cook

Wouldn't there already be one or more Superbird Registries that would capture the owner and paint information, etc, etc etc, for these cars?

OK I got out the broadcast sheet.  I think you already have my info.

RM23U0A168776
J99525
Broadcast sheet carries the note "31 NASCAR NO 2" in the bottom left
Nov. 26 ship date
Y05 sales bank car
originally sent to Don Strotz Chrysler Plymouth in Ft. Wayne (out of business)

440/4 speed
black bench interior
tach
AM radio
15x7 rallyes
dual mirrors, driver remote
exhaust tips (they're not standard!)

good luck with getting more owners to sign on--these cars seem to be owned by people more cagey than standard wing car people. 

V0A169775 is more-or-less our car's doppelganger. 
I can't find the pic of the bcast sheet so I don't know what the J number is right now. 


Changes:
Add 440 six pack
delete exhaust tips
delete passenger mirror

Greetings All,

As far as other existing registries go:  yes I am sure there are several.  Usually the information is closely held - for understandable reasons.  This would be partly a tool to discover more about these particular unusual cars and partly a way to link together owners so they can talk among themselves.

The initial format I would propose is something similar to what the Rod Hall truck owners have done.  See:  http://www.rodhallseriesdodge.com/database.htm

VIN, Engine, Transmission, Interior Color, Seat Style, Console, J Code, Data Source

There are few of these cars so if someone wants to put up a post with photos and more detail of their individual car, there should be room.

There are a couple of cars I can post the information on as they have been for sale on the internet.  The data was out there for anyone who cared to collect it.  That data is basically public information now.

We may as well start with a really odd situation - Two 999 Superbirds with the same VIN.  I was sorting through some vin numbers for Superbirds and found something interesting.  This may be common knowledge but I was unaware of it.  As you know there are a few duplicate vin numbers on the Nascar serial number list.  One of those numbers is RM23U0A171684.  It shows up twice.  The first time it is car number 1057.  The second time it is car number 1316.  Car 1057 was received on 12-1-69 and shipped out 12-2-69.  Car 1316 was received on 12-5-69 and shipped 12-5-69.  At first I thought this was just a typo on the list.

When looking through another list of vin numbers I found RM23U0A171684 was a Petty blue, black bucket interior, manual transmission with no console.  Then a car with RM23U0A171684 showed up on Ebay with a photo of the fender tag and it is a Petty blue, black bench interior, automatic transmission with obviously no console.  Did someone switch out transmissions and seats and then switch them back?  Is the information on the list wrong?  Did Chrysler accidentally make two cars with the same VIN?  Anything could have happened.



Here is a starting list:
999 PAINT CODE SUPERBIRDS
VIN   Engine   Transmission   Interior   Seat Style   Console   J Code   Data Source
169775   V   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   Pettybird
168776   U   Manual   Black   Bench   N/A   99525   Pettybird - owner
                     
171684   U   Manual   Black   Buckets   No   ?   Winged Warrior List
171684   U   Automatic   Black   Bench   N/A   99530   Photos on Ebay
                     
                     
                     
                     


Please feel free to offer suggestions.  A table/spreadsheet of the entire fender tag is certainly possible but it may be tricky to fit on one page - may end up with one of those scroll right forever situations.....

Thanks,
Brennan

Formatting Suggestions Please!!

OK, I tried using good old tabs to make a Word based speadsheet appearing table of the data.
I tried putting the data in Excel
I tried putting the data in a table
I tried putting the data in a Dreamweaver table

All look good until the Post button is pressed and the formatting goes away.  Has anyone used the insert table keys in this site's message construction page?  I guess I can create it, Print screen it, Paint it, and post it as a photo lol.

Brennan

775 is a four speed, black bench seat car. 

Quote from: pettybird on July 09, 2010, 12:10:49 AM
V0A169775 is more-or-less our car's doppelganger. 
I can't find the pic of the bcast sheet so I don't know what the J number is right now. 


Changes:
Add 440 six pack
delete exhaust tips
delete passenger mirror

J number is on the fender tag above the VIN (second row right hand side as I recall)

The format I suggest is two-fold:  one descriptive and the other fender tagged.


Exterior:  999 Corporation Blue
Interior:  White Buckets
Engine:  440-4V
Tranny:  Manual
Drive Ratio:  3:54 Dana
Console:  No
Wheels:  15" Rallye
Options:  AM Radio, Chrome Exhaust Tips

THEN simply list the Fender Tag codes starting with the Top Line as "Line 1"

L1
L2
L3
L4
L5
L6

Off the top of my head.But not exactly certain without checking The 999 cars vins ranged from 157-177 . 23 24 cars maybe who knows for sure.But there is cars that are recorded as Petty blue birds one example .I know of that are probably still club recorded as petty blue.The story I heard on this car from the original purchasing owner Its was a white car sat unsold .At Gegnas chrysler plymouth  .And as a tribute to Richard Petty winning races it got converted to petty blue.Other notable actual 999 cars from my area Barry Kanick Joe Medwick .There was another petty blue one from Fl backed up wing to wing with a Y2 yellow Gary Forbus daytona in 87 Car Review Billy Schwindell Miami Fl

Does anyone have Tim and Pam Welborns museum 999 corporate blue Superbird info to add to this list?

I have found reference to, or seen photos of, 18 cars.  Does anyone remember the V code 4 speed 999 that was on Ebay a few years back.  The sale description had all the standard nonsense in it - "all original", "frame off" etc. :smilielol:  The photos were taken at a track with a big 43 on the door.  They were claiming it to be the only V code, 4 speed.  They wanted $275,000 I think.  The VIN was just a few off from mine.  16949? 3,4,5,?  Anyone still have the ad on file?

Quote from: Mopar John on July 10, 2010, 08:38:25 AM
Does anyone have Tim and Pam Welborns museum 999 corporate blue Superbird info to add to this list?

I asked to get a close up of the car, but didn't write down the VIN.  dummy...

the car with the 43's on the doors is Barry Kanick's car.  it's still for sale for Hemi money, as a joke. 

I think I got Barry car vin he got it from a friend of mine Pat Deighan .Who got it from Steve B of Buffalo NY.Also mentioned him and his Petty blue car from older post bellow



 
Re: Anyone know about these 5 wing cars - 2 or 3 I have seen for sure and the other
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2009, 12:56:53 PM » Quote 



Steve Battaglia here in Buffalo is down to 3 I think from maybe 7 that he had a few years back.  Pretty cool stuff, he has hit a few cruises this year in his petty blue bird.

Is the former owned Carl Payton 999 blue superbird that did reside in England accounted for on this registry

Just playing around with the "table" buttons.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7

:rofl: :smilielol: :eek2: :brickwall: :lol:
Anyone know how these work?

Sure makes some weird designs.  Wish I knew HTML.

I think this might be the 999 Petty blue UK superbird
http://www.moparuk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18061&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 10, 2010, 08:48:37 PM
I think this might be the 999 Petty blue UK superbird
http://www.moparuk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18061&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

thats's B5 all the way. 

Ok thanks but there is one over in England I recall havent found it it was from Norfolk VA .Any thought on this ad for one 2008 claiming one of 4 six pack petty blue superbird
http://mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0108-63876&entryRow=409

Anyone know which one this is?

The one on ebay I saw was a six barrel.

This one is said to be a 4 barrel.

http://www.cars-on-line.com/21403.html

And THIS one???

Even though the ad is in black and white, I assume the car was Petty blue.  Was this a VIN-less Body In White in some stage of conversion to a race car?  Or was this a street car made to look like a race car?  No cut fenderwells, dark roof???  Yet, roll cage, decal issues, exhaust???

http://www.thefind.com/query.php?query=1970+Richard+Petty+magazine+ad

Thats Barrys car on carsonline got it recorded .Seen it many times :yesnod:

carsonline car RM23UOA158634. England superbird from Norfolk VA RM23UOA171684

Quote from: Arnie Cunningham on July 11, 2010, 01:00:24 PM
http://www.thefind.com/query.php?query=1970+Richard+Petty+magazine+ad

I got that actual magazine with that ad still in it.Gotta find it.Theres is a copy and its $49.95 :o

Dug this up that mentions other colors available through the #4923.But C37 D AKA Corporate blue/Petty blue not mentioned.But would it been eligible as a other another color to choose ??
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/colorlist.jpg)  Another Petty blue thing I ran across on the 69 AMX SS car it utilized the #12785 Petty blue color.Thats found on the 999 superbird
http://www.theamcforum.com/forum/amx-super-stock-paint-colors_topic10876.html

Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 11, 2010, 08:54:46 PM
Dug this up that mentions other colors available through the #4923.But C37 D AKA Corporate blue/Petty blue not mentioned.But would it been eligible as a other another color to choose ??
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/colorlist.jpg)  Another Petty blue thing I ran across on the 69 AMX SS car it utilized the #12785 Petty blue color.Thats found on the 999 superbird
http://www.theamcforum.com/forum/amx-super-stock-paint-colors_topic10876.html

This note has my head spinning.   It indicates J numbers through J99499, and no "999" paint code option.   However, I have a 999 car and my J number is J99501 - clearly NOT matching the information in the note.   

To me - this clearly suggests something wierd with the 999 cars.   Why the out of sequence J numbers?

My gut feeling tells me that we need to look at J numbers and paint codes (at least on the 999 cars).   Are there any below J99500?



My VIN (from Brennan's site) was a Nov

can someone merge the two Corporation Blue threads together?  The memo in the other thread would have prevented about a dozen of these posts.

I am pretty sure the J VONs on that list are the BEGINNING numbers. If so, the 999 'birds would start at J99499 and work up.

999 car?? 5th row from the bottom

http://www.bangshift.com/blog/Event-Gallery-Chryslers-at-Carlisle-2010.html

I don't think so.  look at the underside of the hood.

This is the list I have on file of Petty cars that I seen the fender tag and wrote the numbers down. Please tell me if you have other info about these cars.

#420 on the build list RM23U0A158633 Petty Blue White Buckets and a 4-speed

#447 on the build list RM23V0A167148 Petty Blue auto

#835 on the build list RM23U0A168776 which from this post I learned is Pettybirds

#911 on the build list RM23U0A158636 Petty Blue White Buckets and a 4-speed

#923 on the build list RM23V0A171595 Petty Blue

#1057 & #1316 on the buildlist RM23U0A171684 Petty Blue Black Bench and a column auto


If anybody has other info on these cars let me know so I can change my info.
Thanks!

Greetings All,

I have been away from the computer for the past week.  With Wildman's information, we now have 24 cars with various degrees of confirmation.  As soon as I can find a way to load the data in a way that is legible, I will put it up here.

Thanks,
Brennan

Brennan,

Here is my complete info....

Line 1:   05101 (gate number)     164866 (broadcast sheet print sequence #)
Line 2:   114 (440 4-speed)  083 (Dana)  676 (Hemi-4-speed)
Line 3:   C37D (Corporation Blue)  26 (26" max cool radiator)
Line 4:   V19 (Superbird Exclusive Vinyl Roof)  V99 (Delete Roadrunner Body Stripe)
Line 5:   999 (Special Order Paint)  P6XW (White Buckets)  EW1 (White upper door frame and trim) B30 (Nov 69 production) J99501 (Special Order #)
Line 6:   E86 (440 4 Barrel)  D21 (4 speed) RM23U0A158628


In sum

Powertrain:  440 4V, 3:54 Dana, 4 speed
Exterior: 999 Corporation Blue
Interior:  White buckets with white door frames
Console:  NO
Mirrors:   Drivers side chrome
Other Options:  AM radio


PS Start tracking the J Numbers - perhaps I am wrong but I have this feeling there may be some sequence clues if you start sorting by the J number.




Steve Vance

Quote from: Arnie Cunningham on July 19, 2010, 03:07:10 PM
Greetings All,

I have been away from the computer for the past week.  With Wildman's information, we now have 24 cars with various degrees of confirmation.  As soon as I can find a way to load the data in a way that is legible, I will put it up here.

Thanks,
Brennan

Brennan - can you simply use the fender tag headers (see my bird notes above).   i.e. Gate Number (1), BS Print Seq(1), Engine/Tranny(2),

The numbers in paranthesis indicates which line of the fender tag.

Just a thought

Steve

Greetings,

I don't have comprehensive fender tag info for more than a couple cars.  Most of the information is from old member lists, photos and what I have found on the net.

This site apparently uses a language slightly different from HTML.  (correct me if I am wrong)
When I cut and paste the data it gets all scrambled.  If I can find a format that is at least readable, I will post what I have.  It just may take a few tries using different applications and browsers.

Thanks,
Brennan

VIN   Eng   Trans   Interior   Seat Style   Console   J Code   Data Source
OK, I give up lol.  After too many variations, I tried putting question marks in to correct the spacing.  And I get... frowny question faces LOLOL.

Anyway, here is what I have except the last three digits of the Hemi cars.                     


155787   U   Auto   White   Bucket   No   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
158623   V   Manual   Black   Bucket   ???   ?????   Unknown Source
158628   U   Manual   White   Bucket   ???   99501   Steve Vance
158632   U   ??????   ?????   ??????   ???   ?????   Winged Warrior List
158633   U   Manual   White   Bucket   ???   ?????   Wildman
158634   U   Manual   White   Bucket   ???   ?????   Nascarxx29, Cars On Line, Owner - Barry Kanick?
158636   U   Manual   ?????   Bucket   No   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
162287   V   Auto   White   Bucket   Yes   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
164667   U   Auto   Black   Bucket   Yes   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
167148   V   Auto   ?????   ??????   ???   ?????   Wildman
167970   V   Manual   Black   Bench   N/A   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
168775   V   Manual   Black   Bench   N/A   ?????   Pettybird
168776   U   Manual   Black   Bench   N/A   99525   Pettybird - owner
                     
16949?   V   Manual?   Black?   Bench?   N/A   ?????   Was on Ebay - Barry Kanick?
                     
170238   V   Manual   ?????   ??????   ???   ?????   Winged Warrior List
170239   V   Manual   Black   Bucket   ???   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
171595   V   ??????   ?????   ??????   ???   ?????   Wildman
171684   U   Manual   Black   Bucket   No   ?????   Winged Warrior List
171684   U   Auto   Black   Bench   N/A   99530   Photos on Ebay
                     
172xxx   R   Auto   Black   Bucket   Yes   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
175692   U   Auto   White   Bucket   ???   ?????   Unknown Source
                     
176681   U   Auto   Black   Bucket   Yes   ?????   Winged Warrior List
176682   U   Auto   ?????   Bench   N/A   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
177605   U   ??????   ?????   ??????   ???   ?????   Unknown Source
                     
179xxx   R   Manual   White   Bucket   No   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     

 J#s Barry K  158634 J99507 158636 J99509 166254 J99512 171684 J99530 175692 J99518 .On another note what is known on 999 charger 500 .It maybe also 999 daytonas such as Tim Wellborns came from same dealer Lenox Dodge
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,69573.0.html

That helped some.  :2thumbs:

I tossed this together real quick. If anyone has a fender tag photo , broadcast sheet or invoice scan for one email it to me & I can add it in.

Barry

OK All,

Check your data against what I have and make sure I didn't miss anything.  This is what I have so far.

VIN   Eng   Trans   Interior   Seat Style   Console   J Code   Data Source
                     
155787   U   Auto   White   Bucket   No   ? ? ?   Winged Warrior List
                     
158623   V   Manual   Black   Bucket   ? ?   ? ? ?   Unknown Source
158628   U   Manual   White   Bucket   ? ?   99501   Steve Vance
158632   U   ? ? ?   ?? ??   ?? ??   ? ?   ? ? ?   Winged Warrior List
158633   U   Manual   White   Bucket   ? ?   ? ? ?   Wildman
158634   U   Manual   White   Bucket   ? ?   99507   Nascarxx29, Cars On Line, Owner - Barry Kanick?
158636   U   Manual   ?? ??   Bucket   No   99509   Winged Warrior List
                     
162287   V   Auto   White   Bucket   Yes   ? ? ?   Winged Warrior List
                     
164667   U   Auto   Black   Bucket   Yes   ? ? ?   Winged Warrior List
                     
166254   U   ? ? ?   ?? ??   ?? ??   ? ?   99512   Nascarxx29
                     
167148   V   Auto   ?? ??   ?? ??   ? ?   ? ? ?   Wildman
167970   V   Manual   Black   Bench   N/A   ? ? ?   Winged Warrior List
                     
168775   V   Manual   Black   Bench   N/A   99524   Pettybird
168776   U   Manual   Black   Bench   N/A   99525   Pettybird - owner
                     
169496   V   Manual?   Black?   Bench?   N/A   99517   Was on Ebay - Barry Kanick?
                     
170238   V   Manual   ?? ??   ?? ??   ? ?   ? ? ?   Winged Warrior List
170239   V   Manual   Black   Bucket   ? ?   ? ? ?   Winged Warrior List
                     
171595   V   ? ? ?   ?? ??   ?? ??   ? ?   ? ? ?   Wildman
171684   U   Manual   Black   Bucket   No   ? ? ?   Winged Warrior List
171684   U   Auto   Black   Bench   N/A   99530   Photos on Ebay
                     
172601   R   Auto   Black   Bucket   Yes   ? ? ?   Winged Warrior List
                     
175692   U   Auto   White   Bucket   ? ?   99518   Unknown Source
                     
176681   U   Auto   Black   Bucket   Yes   99538   Winged Warrior List
176682   U   Auto   ?? ??   Bench   N/A   ? ? ?   Winged Warrior List
                     
177605   U   ? ? ?   ?? ??   ?? ??   ? ?   ? ? ?   Unknown Source
                     
179687   R   Manual   White   Bucket   No   ? ? ?   Winged Warrior List
                     

Here is a print screen/ms paint file of same.

172601 on your list is actually EB5 - J98463

Also, since the document indicates that the 999 cars would start at J99499 & it looks like the highest one we have so far is J99538 - we (I?) can assume that at least 40 were made.

I know what assumptions do, but sometimes the only way to learn is to be proved wrong.   :scratchchin:

RM23ROA172601 is 1979 WW recorded as corporate blue Jeff Turner Colorado.Obvious mistake might be more incorrect recorded cars :Twocents:

158636   U   Manual   ?? ??   Bucket   No   99509   Winged Warrior List
Additional info on 158636
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=42398.0 The Marvin Hughes 999 Corporate blue 4 speed white interior superbird RM23UOA158636 is in the 79 records

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We sold the Cuda a couple of year ago.  We had had it since the early 80's and have been all over with it doing Vintage races and some exibitions.  We took it to Goodwood in england twice and have been from Laguna Seca to Daytona to Mosport in Canada with it .
Right now we are restoring the #76 Challenger Trans am racer and it will be done later this year.  We restored the #77 Challenger back about 10 years ago.  It races in vintage races now and belongs to Ken Epsman in Calif.
Our other Mopar Racer is the #74 Challenger petty kit car.  It has been on a couple of Mopar magazine covers.  This is the Prototype Challenger that Petty built for the Chrysler kit car program and the one that Earnhardt tested for Petty.  I tried to  post a pic of it earlier but it was too big and I lost everything I had typed.  I need to learn how to downsize my pics so I can post them
The Superbird is 1 of the 50 made in Petty Blue (999).  28 are on the superbird registry but I don't know how many of those are restored.   Seems like about 1/2 of them are still unrestored or parts cars.  If there is such a thing now days.   I don't know if there is another on like it.  I have seen one pic of a Petty blue one that is close and has Pettys number and decals on it.   It was done a long time ago and I don't know where it is now.   The Bird is a 440-4v, 4 speed, white buckets,  with Dana track pack.  The other one has an 8 3/4 rear end.
My Charger was ordered while I was in Vietnam and I planned on keeping it forever when I bought it so I still have it now after 36 years.  It is a 71 SE with 383mag 727.   It has all power, leather, Tuff, Rear defroster, AM-FM-Cassette-w/mic,  Suregrip 3.23,  Road wheels, Disc, Headlight washers, and a few other options.
We have two other mopar race cars.  One is a Cuda that is in parts and the other is the Jim Cushman Aspen petty kit car.  It looked like the one that AMT made a model of back years ago.  It will be restored back to the Red, White, & Blue paing job like it ran back then and the #8 on it.
I will be checking on this board frequently and seeing what I can add.

Thanks  Dave  (ViperDave)    Chrysler Vintage Racing.

 

Taking my VON logic one step further........

It is generally accepted that 1935 Superbirds were produced, right?

The highest VON I have for the normal paint code 'Birds so far is J98890. If the first one was J97000 as the document suggests that would be 1891 'Birds with normal paint codes.

If we assume what I mentioned earlier with at least 40 in 999 paint, that would put us up to 1931 'Birds based on known VONs.

Pretty dang close.........  ;)

From older post above estimated number 999
The Superbird is 1 of the 50 made in Petty Blue (999). 

Where did the number come from though?

If one was reported as Petty Blue & it does not have a J99 VON then it is safe to assume it was not Petty Blue originally. This is one of the reasons I would LOVE to see a compete list of VONs to complement the VIN list.

Anybody?  :shruggy:

Greetings All,

This is exactly what I had hoped for.  New information coming forward.  I hesitated to to put the VINs on (especially the Hemi cars) but I am glad I did.  If someone knows that a car has been repainted to Corporate/Petty Blue this would be the time to find out and the VIN is the most potentially known bit of information.

There is some statistical evidence for the 50 car number.  Before asking these 999 questions I had about 800 of the Superbird paint colors reported.  If we guess that about 1950 cars were built, 800 comes out to about 40%.  Coincidentally (or not) I had about 20 999 cars reported........... or about 40% of the "50" number.  Granted, these statistics don't "prove" anything.  They are just speculation.  But they do point in the direction of about 50 cars being painted 999/Corporate/Petty Blue.

I will post an updated version of the sheet later.  I also will upload the data to my website eventually.  The format there is more flexible and I can add more detail such as location of the cars in the VIN runs/spans.

Thanks,
Brennan

 :Twocents: The superbird to be believed production numbers range from 1920 1935 and ?.Which was derived by # of cars per dealership.For nascar holmagation rules.Are they exactly accurate who knows .The 69 500/ daytona numbers also vary from what was believed

Does anyone recall this Petty blue 6 barrel bird.Harold Sullivan traded for the silver bullet car
http://www.moparmagazine.com/2009/july_august/opening_the_vault_doors.html?searched=superbird&highlight=ajaxSearch_highlight+ajaxSearch_highlight1
Harold traded a 1970 Petty Blue Six Barrel Superbird for the Bullet around 1997. The Silver Bullet was in storage for 16 years after the owner, who got it as an 18th birthday present from his father, damaged the motor and parked it. The car has its original fiberglass fenders and doors. Addison helped Sullivan during the latter stages of the car's restoration.

Tim Wellborn 999 petty blue superbird .The trunklid decal reads Crowder Chyrsler Plymouth
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/DSCN0775.jpg)

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on July 20, 2010, 12:35:47 AM
Where did the number come from though?

If one was reported as Petty Blue & it does not have a J99 VON then it is safe to assume it was not Petty Blue originally. This is one of the reasons I would LOVE to see a compete list of VONs to complement the VIN list.

Anybody?  :shruggy:

Barry this where I seen that given #50 number of built Petty blue superbirds by this poster and owner of a 999 petty superbird rainbow4jd


http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,38347.25.html
There are no Hemi 999 'birds.   It has to do with the Christmas Break special production run of 50 "Petty Blue" Superbirds for marketing purposes.  They are also build sheet notated as NASCAR 2.    They had to be built prior to the introduction of EPA pollution regulations that went into effect on Jan 1, 1970.    Chrysler was only concerned about the exterior of the vehicles.  

This is also why the J codes of the Petty Blue Superbirds are out of sequence.   My  "Petty Bird" is J99501 and has white interior, 440-4V, 3:54 Dana 4 speed, 38,000 original miles.

Quote from: Arnie Cunningham on July 19, 2010, 07:51:10 PM
VIN   Eng   Trans   Interior   Seat Style   Console   J Code   Data Source
OK, I give up lol.  After too many variations, I tried putting question marks in to correct the spacing.  And I get... frowny question faces LOLOL.

Anyway, here is what I have except the last three digits of the Hemi cars.                     


155787   U   Auto   White   Bucket   No   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
158623   V   Manual   Black   Bucket   ???   ?????   Unknown Source
158628   U   Manual   White   Bucket   ???   99501   Steve Vance
158632   U   ??????   ?????   ??????   ???   ?????   Winged Warrior List
158633   U   Manual   White   Bucket   ???   ?????   Wildman
158634   U   Manual   White   Bucket   ???   ?????   Nascarxx29, Cars On Line, Owner - Barry Kanick?
158636   U   Manual   ?????   Bucket   No   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
162287   V   Auto   White   Bucket   Yes   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
164667   U   Auto   Black   Bucket   Yes   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
167148   V   Auto   ?????   ??????   ???   ?????   Wildman
167970   V   Manual   Black   Bench   N/A   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
168775   V   Manual   Black   Bench   N/A   ?????   Pettybird
168776   U   Manual   Black   Bench   N/A   99525   Pettybird - owner
                     
16949?   V   Manual?   Black?   Bench?   N/A   ?????   Was on Ebay - Barry Kanick?
                     
170238   V   Manual   ?????   ??????   ???   ?????   Winged Warrior List
170239   V   Manual   Black   Bucket   ???   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
171595   V   ??????   ?????   ??????   ???   ?????   Wildman
171684   U   Manual   Black   Bucket   No   ?????   Winged Warrior List
171684   U   Auto   Black   Bench   N/A   99530   Photos on Ebay
                     
172xxx   R   Auto   Black   Bucket   Yes   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
175692   U   Auto   White   Bucket   ???   ?????   Unknown Source
                     
176681   U   Auto   Black   Bucket   Yes   ?????   Winged Warrior List
176682   U   Auto   ?????   Bench   N/A   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     
177605   U   ??????   ?????   ??????   ???   ?????   Unknown Source
                     
179xxx   R   Manual   White   Bucket   No   ?????   Winged Warrior List
                     

The language the forum uses is certainly HTML (which condenses "white space" to one character) but it also allows for "bulletin board code" which is a small tag set to do various things (usually differentiated by square brackets '[' and ']' instead of angle brackets '<' and '>'). If you use the "reply" button to create your post you'll see a bunch of little icons above the box where you type which will allow you to insert these tags. On the second row you'll see a set of three that look like the side of a Rubic's Cube. These will let you format tabular data. Here's an example using your data from above:

VIN	Eng	Trans	Interior	Seat Style	Console	J Code	Data Source
155787	U	Auto	White	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List
158623	V	Manual	Black	Bucket	?	?	Unknown Source
158628	U	Manual	White	Bucket	?	99501	Steve Vance
158632	U	?	?	?	?	?	Winged Warrior List
158633	U	Manual	White	Bucket	?	?	Wildman
158634	U	Manual	White	Bucket	?	?	Nascarxx29, Cars On Line, Owner - Barry Kanick?
158636	U	Manual	?	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List
162287	V	Auto	White	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
164667	U	Auto	Black	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
167148	V	Auto	?	?	?	?	Wildman
167970	V	Manual	Black	Bench	N/A	?	Winged Warrior List
168775	V	Manual	Black	Bench	N/A	?	Pettybird
168776	U	Manual	Black	Bench	N/A	99525	Pettybird - owner
16949?	V	Manual?	Black?	Bench?	N/A	?	Was on Ebay - Barry Kanick?
170238	V	Manual	??	??	?	?	Winged Warrior List
170239	V	Manual	Black	Bucket	?	??	Winged Warrior List
171595	V	?	?	?	?	?	Wildman
171684	U	Manual	Black	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List
171684	U	Auto	Black	Bench	N/A	99530	Photos on Ebay
172xxx	R	Auto	Black	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
175692	U	Auto	White	Bucket	?	?	Unknown Source
176681	U	Auto	Black	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
176682	U	Auto	?	Bench	N/A	?	Winged Warrior List
177605	U	?	?	?	?	?	Unknown Source
179xxx	R	Manual	White	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List

The three question marks are a shortcut for that particular smiley.

If you quote this post you can see the additional code used to make it look this way.

Troy

Thanks Troy,

I didn't think of quoting myself LOL.  That is a neat trick.  I tried the insert table icons but, honestly, didn't care to teach myself another process just for the post.  I will be uploading the data to my website and will link to it when done.  Thanks for the tip,
Brennan

AH!  now I see what you meant by quoting your post.  I can see the code.  I thought you meant quoting myself to see the data in a different way.  When I cut and pasted the data into the reply box it looked fine.  Only when I hit preview does it become all scrambled.  How did you get the data into the table without typing all the code?  I assume you didn't recreate my entire table with new code???

Thanks,
Brennan

Here might be another 999 bird
http://www.lhmopars.com/friends3.html

Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 21, 2010, 09:06:34 AM
Tim Wellborn 999 petty blue superbird .The trunklid decal reads Crowder Chyrsler Plymouth
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/DSCN0775.jpg)

Formerlly Jim Walton of Burlington Ky's car. I've driven that car dozens of times.
Jim Walton bought it from a guy in Tenn( can't remember the name right now) HS bought the bird from Jim with one intention- trade it for the silverbullet. Harold had been trying to buy the bullet for some time, but said owner didn't want to sell. BUT,,,( all the time thinking he wouldn't be able to come up with such a color combo) he offered to trade it for a petty blue 6 bbl 4spd white interior bird. The fact the car was unrestored and had never been titled made up for the  console automatic.....At the time it was phenominal money for a bird - $30,000 or $35,000 if I remember right

Thanks for the updated history .When looking around Crowder And Tennesee I did find a guy from the 70s with mopars.Tennessee Thunder Hemi Demon Pro Stock postcard drag ra F. L. Crowder was a Seven Up bottler in Tennessee during the Seventies. Maybe this the guy Jim W got the car off of?

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/tennessee-thunder-hemi-demon-pro-74659494

Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 21, 2010, 10:23:20 PM
Here might be another 999 bird
http://www.lhmopars.com/friends3.html

you actually found one this time.  She's had the car for a LONG time (possibly original owner) and still lives on Long Island.  There are youtube videos with the car as well. 

I'd love to meet her as she's the only other woman I know of (other than mom) with a petty blue car.

Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 21, 2010, 11:29:36 AM

   They had to be built prior to the introduction of EPA pollution regulations that went into effect on Jan 1, 1970.    Chrysler was only concerned about the exterior of the vehicles.  

I was of the opinion that the SuperBirds had to be completed before Jan 1, 1970 because of a new federal headlight law that effectively outlawed the vacuum setup.  That's why the 70 Chargers are electric.  Unlike 1969, where Ma Mopar held off until the last minute on the front seat headrests, Dodge made the electric headlamp motors standard at the start of the 70 model year, 'cause they knew that after Jan 1, they would have to electric.  What emission component on a SuperBird is different than a late (after Jan 1) production GTX or RoadRunner?

Quote from: learical1 on July 22, 2010, 01:15:36 PM

Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 21, 2010, 11:29:36 AM

   They had to be built prior to the introduction of EPA pollution regulations that went into effect on Jan 1, 1970.    Chrysler was only concerned about the exterior of the vehicles.  

I was of the opinion that the SuperBirds had to be completed before Jan 1, 1970 because of a new federal headlight law that effectively outlawed the vacuum setup.  That's why the 70 Chargers are electric.  Unlike 1969, where Ma Mopar held off until the last minute on the front seat headrests, Dodge made the electric headlamp motors standard at the start of the 70 model year, 'cause they knew that after Jan 1, they would have to electric.  What emission component on a SuperBird is different than a late (after Jan 1) production GTX or RoadRunner?

wasnt there a new front bumper law in 70 , and thats why they had to make them before janunary 1  ?

In between F.L. Crowder and Walton,  a man named Eugene Wood from NC owned the car for several years.   Gene has since passed away.  He was in a wheelchair, and brought the blue Bird to Milwaukee for a meet in 1980.   He towed it on a trailer behind a 64ish Cadillac hearse.  This was one of the first wing cars I saw on a trailer of any kind.    Hitail if he is looking in on this will attest that Eugene was quite a character. 

Emissions
Headlights
Bumpers
1970 Nascar season

Four potential reasons for having all the cars built before Jan 1, 1970.  This is a good topic.  Should we start a new thread for it?  There were a number of things that changed mid year - six pack distributors, etc.

Who else has the 1969 "Meets federal standards" small black sticker inside the front driver's door jam of their Superbird?

Brennan

Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 21, 2010, 11:29:36 AM

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on July 20, 2010, 12:35:47 AM
Where did the number come from though?

If one was reported as Petty Blue & it does not have a J99 VON then it is safe to assume it was not Petty Blue originally. This is one of the reasons I would LOVE to see a compete list of VONs to complement the VIN list.

Anybody?  :shruggy:

Barry this where I seen that given #50 number of built Petty blue superbirds by this poster and owner of a 999 petty superbird rainbow4jd


http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,38347.25.html
There are no Hemi 999 'birds.   It has to do with the Christmas Break special production run of 50 "Petty Blue" Superbirds for marketing purposes.  They are also build sheet notated as NASCAR 2.    They had to be built prior to the introduction of EPA pollution regulations that went into effect on Jan 1, 1970.    Chrysler was only concerned about the exterior of the vehicles.  

This is also why the J codes of the Petty Blue Superbirds are out of sequence.   My  "Petty Bird" is J99501 and has white interior, 440-4V, 3:54 Dana 4 speed, 38,000 original miles.

I'm pretty sure I have been proven wrong that there were no Hemi 999 Birds - there were a handful.   And my comments were related to information I was told 30 years ago, without any verification.  My point being - don't quote me for an authority.  However, it does seem that only about 50 or so 999 Bird exist.

By the way, I was also told that the original prooduction run of Superbirds was 1885 with the 50 extra 999 making it a total of 1935.  I'm probably wrong about that also.

Quote from: Troy on July 21, 2010, 01:04:30 PM

VIN	Eng	Trans	Interior	Seat Style	Console	J Code	Data Source
155787	U	Auto	White	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List
158623	V	Manual	Black	Bucket	?	?	Unknown Source
158628	U	Manual	White	Bucket	?	99501	Steve Vance
158632	U	?	?	?	?	?	Winged Warrior List
158633	U	Manual	White	Bucket	?	?	Wildman
158634	U	Manual	White	Bucket	?	?	Nascarxx29, Cars On Line, Owner - Barry Kanick?
158636	U	Manual	?	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List
162287	V	Auto	White	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
164667	U	Auto	Black	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
167148	V	Auto	?	?	?	?	Wildman
167970	V	Manual	Black	Bench	N/A	?	Winged Warrior List
168775	V	Manual	Black	Bench	N/A	?	Pettybird
168776	U	Manual	Black	Bench	N/A	99525	Pettybird - owner
16949?	V	Manual?	Black?	Bench?	N/A	?	Was on Ebay - Barry Kanick?
170238	V	Manual	??	??	?	?	Winged Warrior List
170239	V	Manual	Black	Bucket	?	??	Winged Warrior List
171595	V	?	?	?	?	?	Wildman
171684	U	Manual	Black	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List
171684	U	Auto	Black	Bench	N/A	99530	Photos on Ebay
172xxx	R	Auto	Black	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
175692	U	Auto	White	Bucket	?	?	Unknown Source
176681	U	Auto	Black	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
176682	U	Auto	?	Bench	N/A	?	Winged Warrior List
177605	U	?	?	?	?	?	Unknown Source
179xxx	R	Manual	White	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List

Troy

It does seem that the Jcodes do run in some sort of relationship with the VINS - i.e. lower VIN has lower J number.  It also would seem to suggest that they started with J99499  and went up (making my bird - J99501 - the 3rd 999 Bird produced)

But it begs the questions of "why" do the J numbers not run sequential with the VINS?  I also am now more curious about the NASCAR 2 designation on the build sheet (was this 999 birds only?) and the plant release dates.  Did the 999 Birds go to a different paint booth, thus the need for a different Jnumber starting point?  Was there something besides the 999 paint that made them unique?

I think the NASCAR Master Build Sheet - posted elsewhere may give us a clue.   The two J numbers are NOT the range of J Numbers but instead the beginning Jnumber for two different build sequences, or some other distinction. 

Perhaps its something as simple as "build these before Thanksgiving and these afterwards".  Or, "we're going to build some GTX models inbetween these two Superbird runs".  Or, "Anything with 999 paint needs to go to Paint Booth #2, which we will code with J codes atarting at J99499"

A12 cars have numbers similar to J numbers.  They don't have a letter, but the are order numbers.  Both types of cars had sequence numbers 'set aside' for future production.  They were just place markers for cars to come.  The first 100 cars DO have sequential order numbers but also do NOT have sequential vins.  There is no correlation between the two. 

Quote from: pettybird on July 25, 2010, 10:24:45 PM
A12 cars have numbers similar to J numbers.  They don't have a letter, but the are order numbers.  Both types of cars had sequence numbers 'set aside' for future production.  They were just place markers for cars to come.  The first 100 cars DO have sequential order numbers but also do NOT have sequential vins.  There is no correlation between the two. 

Thanks

Questions and Answers
Q: Just wondering........What are the lowest and highest known Superbird J-numbers? And what are the earliest and latest known
production dates??? Thanks.
A: The "J-number", is the special order number as seen on the Superbird fender tag. The first Superbird was to be J97000. In theory, that is
the "first" car. The earliest known on our list is J97001, with VIN RM23V0A149853. That would be the second car, and so on. The highest
known on our list is J98929 RM23V0A180656. That would be the 1930th car in the sequence. Please note that the J-number has no bearing on
what car was built in what order. Nor is there any numeric sequence between the J-number and specific VIN number.
Corporate (Petty) Blue Superbirds have J99xxx numbers, which fall out of sequence from the others. J99501 is the lowest and J99542 is the
highest currently on file. As I recall, Chrysler's paperwork says that a total of 2500 numbers were set aside for Superbirds. We do not have J
numbers for every car, so we can't tell all the gaps. For some reason, the Petty Blue cars were pulled out of the regular sequence and given
their own block of numbers. This possibly could create unused numbers in the regular J97000 to J99000 sequence.
As far as production dates go, it is not easy to determine the exact date your car was built. This is because all Superbirds have a scheduled
production date of November 30th (B30) on their fender tags and build sheets. This is simply a fake "on paper" build date. The basic cars
would have been built starting in October thru early December '69, and transported over partially complete to the Clairpointe pilot plant for the
rework and installation of Superbird parts. The first car to arrive at Clairpointe was on October 17, 1969. The last "shipped" car I see is
December 19, 1969. Chrysler's target goal was to be done by December 23, 1969. All cars were certified for competition in NASCAR and
other series on January 14thm, 1970. This was done by a survey of dealers, and was just under the wire for the cars to compete at Riverside on
January 18th. Chrysler got them done, shipped and certified in the nick of time.

Quote from: nascarxx29 on August 16, 2010, 12:38:37 PM
Questions and Answers
Q: Just wondering........What are the lowest and highest known Superbird J-numbers? And what are the earliest and latest known
production dates??? Thanks.
A: The "J-number", is the special order number as seen on the Superbird fender tag. The first Superbird was to be J97000. In theory, that is
the "first" car. The earliest known on our list is J97001, with VIN RM23V0A149853. That would be the second car, and so on. The highest
known on our list is J98929 RM23V0A180656. That would be the 1930th car in the sequence. Please note that the J-number has no bearing on
what car was built in what order. Nor is there any numeric sequence between the J-number and specific VIN number.
Corporate (Petty) Blue Superbirds have J99xxx numbers, which fall out of sequence from the others. J99501 is the lowest and J99542 is the
highest currently on file. As I recall, Chrysler's paperwork says that a total of 2500 numbers were set aside for Superbirds. We do not have J
numbers for every car, so we can't tell all the gaps. For some reason, the Petty Blue cars were pulled out of the regular sequence and given
their own block of numbers. This possibly could create unused numbers in the regular J97000 to J99000 sequence.
As far as production dates go, it is not easy to determine the exact date your car was built. This is because all Superbirds have a scheduled
production date of November 30th (B30) on their fender tags and build sheets. This is simply a fake "on paper" build date. The basic cars
would have been built starting in October thru early December '69, and transported over partially complete to the Clairpointe pilot plant for the
rework and installation of Superbird parts. The first car to arrive at Clairpointe was on October 17, 1969. The last "shipped" car I see is
December 19, 1969. Chrysler's target goal was to be done by December 23, 1969. All cars were certified for competition in NASCAR and
other series on January 14thm, 1970. This was done by a survey of dealers, and was just under the wire for the cars to compete at Riverside on
January 18th. Chrysler got them done, shipped and certified in the nick of time.

I love this site!

Any connections of the NASCAR 1 and NASCAR 2 numbers with J numbers?   Originally, I thought the 999 Birds ONLY had NASCAR 2 numbers, but that was from 30 years ago.  I think I read elsewhere there is no such connection.

Does anyone know (then) what the distinction of NASCAR 1 and NASCAR 2 means?

This I where I found the above info
http://www.superbirdclub.com/files/sept_oct_2006_newsletter.pdf

Greetings All,

I have put together a basic 999/Corporate/Petty Blue page for my website.
It can be read here:

http://www.brcook.com/id28.html

Please read through it and offer any comments, information, data etc. that you may have.  Does the page flow?  Does it tell the story?

Thanks,
Brennan R. Cook

cool stuff.  The C37D is a replacement for V01, or solid color paint.  check out that factory memo I posted in one of these threads.

Brennan,
Great work on the corporate blue cars! Being a number cruncher I find it very interesting! The number of 50 has been thrown about for years and this is the most complete documentation to this point! I sure would like to know if the other R car is real. Wouldn't that be special!
Mopar John

V01?  OK I will search the site for it.  Thanks,

Mopar John,
Were you the one the related the story of ordering a Petty Blue Hemi Superbird back in 1969.  Someone mentioned that they did but didn't think it would be built on time.  Maybe the one on the list is that car.

Thanks,
Brennan

http://www.aerowarriors.com/cda/cda_110469.html (http://www.aerowarriors.com/cda/cda_110469.html)

I see no mention of V01 there?  :shruggy:

Quote from: Arnie Cunningham on August 20, 2010, 02:00:04 PM
V01?  OK I will search the site for it.  Thanks,

Mopar John,
Were you the one the related the story of ordering a Petty Blue Hemi Superbird back in 1969.  Someone mentioned that they did but didn't think it would be built on time.  Maybe the one on the list is that car.

Thanks,
Brennan

Brennan,
No. No Petty Blue Hemi Superbird for me back in 1969. But I wish I had one!
Mopar John

Quote from: Arnie Cunningham on August 19, 2010, 03:30:05 PM
Greetings All,

I have put together a basic 999/Corporate/Petty Blue page for my website.
It can be read here:

http://www.brcook.com/id28.html

Please read through it and offer any comments, information, data etc. that you may have.  Does the page flow?  Does it tell the story?

Thanks,
Brennan R. Cook

Brennan, this is awesome!

Yes, it does flow and tell a story.   Perhaps the best I have ever seen in bringing all the pieces of known and suspected data together.  I particularly liked your Fender tag breakdown.

PS My Bird 158628 is NO console when you do your next update.

PSS I figured out how to load pictures!   These are the earliest pictures of my Superbird from 1983 when I bought it from the original owner.

Note:  the picture (above) with my wife sitting on the car was taking only moments before I was using a buffer wheel and had one of the loose hood pin cables slide down the fender, hit the buffer wheel and rat-tat-tat-tat smack the headlight, damaging the edge of the headlight bucket and dinging the fender.

I got sick to my stomache - really.

I had just finished my "college budget" restoration the night before and this was its first outing as a complete car.

Great photos.  A lot of our cars were in a similar state by the early 80s.  Mine look close to the same when I picked it up in 1981/1982.  Then they sat for another 20 years waiting, waiting, waiting.  At least now, a lot more parts are available.
Brennan

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on August 20, 2010, 03:34:38 PM
I see no mention of V01 there?  :shruggy:

Sorry--999 as paint color and C37D as paint style.  I don't know if the factory only required C37D and added the 999 on their own or not, but that's how it is on my bcast sheet. 

Can you clarify that please?

999 on your broadcast sheet or C37D or both?

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on August 23, 2010, 03:18:01 PM
Can you clarify that please?

999 on your broadcast sheet or C37D or both?

paint type 37D
paint color 999

both are on the sheet

Thanks! I do not recall seeing a broadcast sheet for one yet.

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on August 23, 2010, 05:40:54 PM
Thanks! I do not recall seeing a broadcast sheet for one yet.

Is there anything else on a 999 bird that is unique on the bcast sheet?

Wasn't there a guy on here wanting to fake one? If there is anything else different about them I would be surprised it it was mentioned now.

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on August 24, 2010, 11:27:09 PM
Wasn't there a guy on here wanting to fake one? If there is anything else different about them I would be surprised it it was mentioned now.

:yesnod:


Hence the question below:

Quote from: rainbow4jd on August 24, 2010, 10:51:01 PM
Is there anything else on a 999 bird that is unique on the bcast sheet?

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on August 24, 2010, 11:27:09 PM
Wasn't there a guy on here wanting to fake one? If there is anything else different about them I would be surprised it it was mentioned now.

Faking one with the intent to mislead someone into believing a vehicle is equipped with equipment that it was not originally equipped with is fraud and punishable by potential jail time and monetary fines.

Presuming to be the morals police and doing the chicken little fear dance of "in 100 years the reproduction will be sheet will be considered an original" is just paranoia.

Trying to force your opinions on another collector/restorer is just rude.

Fortunately, I wouldn't do any of that and I'm sure you wouldn't either.  Jes sayin'   :laugh:

Quote from: rainbow4jd on August 25, 2010, 06:30:03 PM

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on August 24, 2010, 11:27:09 PM
Wasn't there a guy on here wanting to fake one? If there is anything else different about them I would be surprised it it was mentioned now.

Faking one with the intent to mislead someone into believing a vehicle is equipped with equipment that it was not originally equipped with is fraud and punishable by potential jail time and monetary fines.

Presuming to be the morals police and doing the chicken little fear dance of "in 100 years the reproduction will be sheet will be considered an original" is just paranoia.

Trying to force your opinions on another collector/restorer is just rude.

Fortunately, I wouldn't do any of that and I'm sure you wouldn't either.  Jes sayin'   :laugh:

Whether it was the intent to mislead someone or not, if in the future it does it is all the same. People who drive drunk don't intend on killing anyone on their way home either, but many times they do. One's intent isn't always the only argument.

Quote from: 69_500 on August 25, 2010, 07:19:02 PM

Quote from: rainbow4jd on August 25, 2010, 06:30:03 PM

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on August 24, 2010, 11:27:09 PM
Wasn't there a guy on here wanting to fake one? If there is anything else different about them I would be surprised it it was mentioned now.

Faking one with the intent to mislead someone into believing a vehicle is equipped with equipment that it was not originally equipped with is fraud and punishable by potential jail time and monetary fines.

Presuming to be the morals police and doing the chicken little fear dance of "in 100 years the reproduction will be sheet will be considered an original" is just paranoia.

Trying to force your opinions on another collector/restorer is just rude.

Fortunately, I wouldn't do any of that and I'm sure you wouldn't either.  Jes sayin'   :laugh:

Whether it was the intent to mislead someone or not, if in the future it does it is all the same. People who drive drunk don't intend on killing anyone on their way home either, but many times they do. One's intent isn't always the only argument.

You know, they overturned prohibition a while back.

The potential for abuse exists in anything.   Drunk driving is illegal, but drinking is not.   We laugh at the chicken little syndrome for a reason.... paranoia is not healthy.   

Your point of intent is 100% accurate - intent is not punishable in any format (unless it is the intent to commit a crime).    I can go out tonight and drink and actually do so without ever getting drunk.    It's called "drinking responsibly"

Just because something an honest person does could be used illegally down the road, doesn't mean we should condemn the honest person - and especially before ANY illegal act has ever occurred (and if someone else down the road does something THAT'S THE TIME to be condemning.

As for me - I happen to think collectors are honest upright people - unless you want to confess something. 

RM23V0A169498
999 paint, 440-6, 4 spd, white interior, bench seat.  Car is completely original.  I'm not at liberty to dosclose the owner, but it is an incredible car!

J99519 ?

..... Barry are you still waiting for an answer? :shruggy: RM23V0A169498 is J99520
..... so, what have we learned in 5  :o years?  :scratchchin:

http://www.brcook.com/id28.html ** Brennan's 999 'Bird page

with the debut of "barn find/never titled" J99500 (RM23V0A149861 - Superbird assigned VIN #11) at Carlisle last weekend & the b'cast sheet for J99539 (RM23U0A176682) listed currently on eBay, that puts "Petty blue" Superbird production at 40 minimum (J99500 to J99539) are there any more?

by my count 28 accounted for 8 w/440+6, 19 w/440 4bbl, & 1 unknown (RM23?0A158629 J99502)

Dave mentioned J99542 in the thread (from DSAC Sept/Oct 2006 newsletter).  Does anyone know the VIN?

Hey All,
Just a wild guess, but is it possible they made 43 of these?
Brennan

Hey All, I misplaced Mike Angelucci's contact info so I thought this would be the best way to add some more info to the J95000 story.
I was contacted by:

While surfing the net this morning I came across a feature about barn finds.
This is a longshot BUT
did Mike Angeluccis Plymouth Superbird come from the Big Rapids, MI area?
As a young fellow, I remember seeing a blue Plymouth Superbird doing a "static burnout" (one foot on the gas, the other on the brake?) at the Burger Chef in downtown Big Rapids MI way back in the day.
I always wondered what happened to that car.
I'm wondering if it is the one Mike Angelucci currently owns.
I'm guessing it was from the local Marco Chrysler Plymouth Dodge dealership and possibly driven when I saw it by Darrell Marvel or maybe his brother.
If it's the same car then it must have been stored within a few miles of my house all these years.
Small world if it is indeed the same car.

Guy Van Syckle

Thanks for the response Brennan.
Yes, Darrells father had a dealership here called Marco Dodge Plymouth Chrysler. I think Darrell has one brother so either of them may be the 17 year old that crashed the Superbird.
I contacted you after doing some Googling about Mr. Angeluccis barn find. Thought maybe you'd have more backstory about it or maybe contact info for Mr. Angelucci.
I also remember being told back in the day that the car was a 440 as well. While I was a little bummed it wasn't a hemi, it was still a Superbird and way cool to me.
In later years Darrell took over the dealership, and for a few years he ran a SS/AA Cuda. I was a credentialed photographer with NHRA and IHRA for a few years. Got a nice shot of Darrells Cuda at Indy one year, gave him a copy at the dealership when I had one of my cars serviced there. I think Darrell then ran a Hemi Dart for a couple years before quitting drag racing.
The story of the Superbird, how it was damaged, age of the driver, father owning a dealership, it's now in Cleveland I believe (which is not THAT far from here), all make me think this particular one is the one from here in town.
If you wish to or can, feel free to pass this on to Mr. Angelucci.
Guy


Also: Calling Mike Hill.  This person knows of Hemi Cudas being campaigned back in the day - maybe a lead, however slight, for your engine.

Brennan

Mike A's Superbird was shipped new to a dealership in NY.  I'll see if I can find more info.

Mike's car is from Little Valley Auto Sales in Salamanca, New York.  Brennan I'll PM you his number.

OK Thanks,
Your PM box is full.
Brennan

Popping in many years later to say that RM23U0A176682's buildsheet is now for sale on Facebook Marketplace for a grand total of $10,000. Good thing pictures of the sheet are posted so the owner can just *right click, save image as...*.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2758219027682717?rid=10161020556498548&ad_id&rt=1&refID=0&refType=0&referral_code=commerce_attachment

"Original Build Sheet of approximately 50 Petty Blue Superbirds. VIN# RM23U0A176682. Sold the car in the mid 80's. Price is firm. The car is still out there. Lost track of it in 2014."

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