Petty drove a '70 Dodge Daytona? F & F 6

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=tRpWutBePO4

[Indygenerallee]

  Gotta love disinformation even coming from Ralph Gilles!! Gotta wonder how much weight they have in the trunk when it pulls a wheelie!! My guess is they have some sort of removable bar that goes from the frame down to the axle that makes it solid so the car won't bounce, then bolt weight plates into the rear (like they used in the General for ballast)

[Budnicks]

yeah you would think Ralph would know the Dodge history a little better, but it's for F&F 6 advert. so a little misleading lies doesn't hurt anyone...

[WINGIN IT]

Well hopefully those are interested in knowing more about the history of the Daytona search out the true history of the car.  I think the "BANNED FROM NASCAR"  message is something that'll draw enthusiasts to know more about it , if they don't already. 

So who's going to step up and give Ralph a call and straighten him out on the history? 
I vote3 Doug? 

[Daytona R/T SE]

Ok.

My opinion:

The shortened wing looks like shit.

The snubbed nose makes it look like it's already been slammed into a bridge abuttment.

It's got a chevy engine, does wheelies on command...

And everything those people just spewed out of their mouths about the "history"

Of the Daytona was utter bullshit.






Sad part is...

Everybody is going to start asking me when I'm going to paint my car maroon and shave my head.

[pettybird]

Petty drove the former #30 Marcis car dressed as a Winston promo-mobile in a parade lap once like 7 years ago.  I guess that's close enough.

[JB400]

It sort of disappoints me that the head of SRT doesn't really know the history of his own company's racing highlights.  The late 60's and early 70's was the pinnacle of Mopar racing.  I really like what Ralph is doing for Chrysler, but sit down and read a little about the history of the company to get the facts straight.   He should have mentioned the car set world land speed records.  That would have been more impressive than saying Petty drove it.


I'll watch the movie, but it'll be when it's on HBO and there's nothing else on tv worth watching.

[thehemikid]

Gotta love disinformation even coming from Ralph Gilles!! Gotta wonder how much weight they have in the trunk when it pulls a wheelie!! My guess is they have some sort of removable bar that goes from the frame down to the axle that makes it solid so the car won't bounce, then bolt weight plates into the rear (like they used in the General for ballast)

...and hanging pretty far out the back too.

[mauve66]

and he said that NOW the movie makes the car ICONIC, what the hell was it before he got his license, a station wagon wannabe???

[Baldwinvette77]

I wont lie, i like everything about it except the rear valence, it looks naked without a bumper and bumperettes, just a painted fiberglass one would have worked  

[Daytona R/T SE]

I'm glad this monstrosity gets smashed at the end.  

I'm hoping it will also burst into flames with pickle head "Dom" in it.  

That Charger would have been better off going out in style with the Stars and Bars on the roof...

Flying over the creek...

Air horns blaring.

At least we know that with the General Lee...

It can, in real life...

ACTUALLY FLY...



Once.




This F&F "thing" is the second worst movie Mopar ever...

Right behind that "Wheels of terror" P.O.S.

[cdr]

I'm glad this monstrosity gets smashed at the end.  

I'm hoping it will also burst into flames with pickle head "Dom" in it.  

That Charger would have been better off going out in style with the Stars and Bars on the roof...

Flying over the creek...

Air horns blaring.

At least we know that with the General Lee...

It can, in real life...

ACTUALLY FLY...



Once.




This F&F "thing" is the second worst movie Mopar ever...

Right behind that "Wheels of terror" P.O.S.

PLEASE,PLEASE tell us how you really feel 

[Daytona R/T SE]

I'm glad this monstrosity gets smashed at the end.  

I'm hoping it will also burst into flames with pickle head "Dom" in it.  

That Charger would have been better off going out in style with the Stars and Bars on the roof...

Flying over the creek...

Air horns blaring.

At least we know that with the General Lee...

It can, in real life...

ACTUALLY FLY...



Once.




This F&F "thing" is the second worst movie Mopar ever...

Right behind that "Wheels of terror" P.O.S.

PLEASE,PLEASE tell us how you really feel 

Sorry, I was holding back a little.

[Aero426]

It's not bad that the car is out there getting exposure to the young'uns.   But it is embarrassing that Gilles does not know the history.   

[odcics2]

Just because WE love these cars doesn't mean others do.  In fact, most don't know they even existed...    Some have heard of a Road Runner.   A few know there was a Charger with "only 2 doors".   I was questioned: "How do you get in the back?"   The guy was serious!    He had NO idea the seat flipped forward! When told he said, 'That's not safe!"
 
If you get away from folks interested in cars, it gets even worse...         

[tan top]

not sure if this has been posted  , saw this on moparts ,  few build up pictures & stuff in second link

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7602772&an=0&page=0&gonew=1

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/fast-furious-6-cars-1969-dodge-charger-daytona.html

[pettybird]

I'm glad this monstrosity gets smashed at the end.  

I'm hoping it will also burst into flames with pickle head "Dom" in it.  

That Charger would have been better off going out in style with the Stars and Bars on the roof...

Flying over the creek...

Air horns blaring.

At least we know that with the General Lee...

It can, in real life...

ACTUALLY FLY...



Once.




This F&F "thing" is the second worst movie Mopar ever...

Right behind that "Wheels of terror" P.O.S.

sounds like a fitting end to all clones.

[Budnicks]

I'm glad this monstrosity gets smashed at the end.  

I'm hoping it will also burst into flames with pickle head "Dom" in it.  

That Charger would have been better off going out in style with the Stars and Bars on the roof...

Flying over the creek...

Air horns blaring.

At least we know that with the General Lee...

It can, in real life...

ACTUALLY FLY...



Once.




This F&F "thing" is the second worst movie Mopar ever...

Right behind that "Wheels of terror" P.O.S.

sounds like a fitting end to all clones.

that was funny, but I would go quite that, far of an extreme... 

[moparstuart]

I'm glad this monstrosity gets smashed at the end.  

I'm hoping it will also burst into flames with pickle head "Dom" in it.  

That Charger would have been better off going out in style with the Stars and Bars on the roof...

Flying over the creek...

Air horns blaring.

At least we know that with the General Lee...

It can, in real life...

ACTUALLY FLY...



Once.




This F&F "thing" is the second worst movie Mopar ever...

Right behind that "Wheels of terror" P.O.S.

sounds like a fitting end to all clones.

[Benji]

I'm glad this monstrosity gets smashed at the end.  

They built seven of them, wrecked four of them in the filming so three survived.  They had GM engines/trannys and Ford differentials. 

Ben

[Mike DC]

  
                     
Do you guys really think Gilles didn't know, just because of that little fact fudge?  He was giving them sound bytes for an action movie.  


The average teenage moviegoer is too young to remember September 11.  They're already having to guess that "Richard Petty" must be some important car guy.  Cut them some slack.   If Gilles had stated the exact facts, they would have been wondering what an old musclecar has to do with that rock where the Pilgrims landed.    


Plenty of 40-50yo automotive journalists make the Daytona/Bird mistake on a regular basis.    Plenty of others know better but speak of the two cars interchangeably.  Not everyone on earth is a wing car nut.  

[Aero426]

                   
Do you guys really think Gilles didn't know, just because of that little fact fudge?  He was giving them sound bytes for an action movie.  

Yes, I believe he did not know.    The "Richard Petty drove a Daytona"  quote backs it up.

He could have simply referenced the car as "The Dodge Daytona was an iconic blah, blah, blah" and left the year out.

[Aero426]

Gilles: "The Daytona was designed for the high speed race".     

This sounds like a quote you'd hear in the movie Idiocracy.   

[Mike DC]

 
I have no idea whether Gilles knows the correct fact or not.  But I would not assume that a person in his shoes doesn't know just because of that quote. 


I don't think you guys realize how far back & obscure this stuff is to a modern kid.  It terms of pop culture in general, the 1990s are fast becoming retro-cool for teenagers these days. 

Gilles is pitching an action movie featuring a vintage version of his product line.  Even if you told them the facts, 99% of the general public would probably think it's an understandable fudge for him to have made right then and there. 

[Aero426]

 
I don't think you guys realize how far back & obscure this stuff is to a modern kid. 

It's obscure even to a lot of old kids.   

[boss429kiwi]

Hi

Being a "Ford" guy, I can remember similar discussions some 15 years ago about a made up ugly looking "Shelby GT500" being used for the movie Gone in 60 Seconds.
Most thought is was going to kill the genuine Shelby market, and in fact it was the opposite.   

Look what that car did for Shelby's, Mustangs and muscle cars in general. It sparked a huge interested from "non" car people and the youth, all wanting to know what this car was, and THEY WANTED ONE!

Hopefully this "Daytona" will spark interest and knowledge from the youth about winged cars and carry on the collectibility of these cars.
Its great to see that the Fast and Furious movie makers always use a piece of American muscle as their main feature car. I shows that the next generation is interested in these cars as I think the movie makers know what they are doing.    .

My 2 cents

Gary 

[Indygenerallee]

Granted there is a bunch of mods done to this "CLONE" But FOR GOD'S SAKE WHY PAINT IT SUCH A HORRENDOUS COLOR!!!!!!!! 

[Mike DC]

Hi

Being a "Ford" guy, I can remember similar discussions some 15 years ago about a made up ugly looking "Shelby GT500" being used for the movie Gone in 60 Seconds.
Most thought is was going to kill the genuine Shelby market, and in fact it was the opposite.   

Look what that car did for Shelby's, Mustangs and muscle cars in general. It sparked a huge interested from "non" car people and the youth, all wanting to know what this car was, and THEY WANTED ONE!

Hopefully this "Daytona" will spark interest and knowledge from the youth about winged cars and carry on the collectibility of these cars.
Its great to see that the Fast and Furious movie makers always use a piece of American muscle as their main feature car. I shows that the next generation is interested in these cars as I think the movie makers know what they are doing.    .

My 2 cents

Gary

As soon as I saw the first spy pics of the modified maroon Daytonas for Fast Six, I thought of the customized 1967 Eleanors.  It's a similar case of taking a classic and trying to visually update it to keep the appeal. 

I dunno if these Daytonas will age as well as the silver Eleanors from 2000 have.  Maybe, maybe not.  (Wing cars never really made it on their looks, not in 1969 or today.)  But IMHO this appearance in Fast Six couldn't do anything but help the Daytona's legacy.  It's a cool, hip, high-tech movie and it portrays the car as still being very badass today.  You can't argue with that. 

[hotrod98]

The only real modification that was done to the F&F6 Daytona that I plan to do to my new clone is to shorten the fenders and nose. I think that really cleaned up the front end. The wing cars are freakishly long in my opinion. Just look at one in profile. What I like about my bird is the fact that it is all one color and it doesn't look as long as a bird that has a vinyl top.
Even wingcar lovers themselves comment negatively every time they see a long nose transplanted onto any other model of car. It's just that we've gotten used to these cars looking like this over the years.
I drove my bird to a big local show last Saturday and driving through the sea of cars lined up on both sides of the narrow road going into the show area was a little nerve racking. I just can't tell where the front of the nose is. I can definitely see where the car would be easier to drive and park with the nose a foot shorter.
You have to admit that the original wingcars were very poorly planned and engineered. The headlamp setup alone is a heavy, ill fitting, poorly operating contraption that could have been made much simpler if the engineers had been given proper time to design it.
Having said all of that...I love my Superbird just the way it is. And, I think it being all black makes it look shorter than most birds.

[Mike DC]

Even wingcar lovers themselves comment negatively every time they see a long nose transplanted onto any other model of car. It's just that we've gotten used to these cars looking like this over the years.

You have to admit that the original wingcars were very poorly planned and engineered. The headlamp setup alone is a heavy, ill fitting, poorly operating contraption that could have been made much simpler if the engineers had been given proper time to design it.

Yeah, we see the original wing cars through heavily rose-tinted glasses.  



The wing car program made cars faster by abandoning all styling concerns.  Hollywood makes cars look more stylish by abandoning all engineering concerns.  It's literally the exact opposite mindset.    

We're lucky they decided to try to portray the wing cars as cool cars in 2013 at all.  We're even luckier that they kept their onscreen versions at least recognizable next to the originals.  




Chevy motors & Ford axles -

It's frustrating but it could be worse.  At least this modification isn't part of the fictional storyline.  And the filmmakers have never claimed that it was done to make the cars any faster than stock.  

[dyslexic teddybear]

The only real modification that was done to the F&F6 Daytona that I plan to do to my new clone is to shorten the fenders and nose. I think that really cleaned up the front end. The wing cars are freakishly long in my opinion. Just look at one in profile. What I like about my bird is the fact that it is all one color and it doesn't look as long as a bird that has a vinyl top.
Even wingcar lovers themselves comment negatively every time they see a long nose transplanted onto any other model of car. It's just that we've gotten used to these cars looking like this over the years.
I drove my bird to a big local show last Saturday and driving through the sea of cars lined up on both sides of the narrow road going into the show area was a little nerve racking. I just can't tell where the front of the nose is. I can definitely see where the car would be easier to drive and park with the nose a foot shorter.
You have to admit that the original wingcars were very poorly planned and engineered. The headlamp setup alone is a heavy, ill fitting, poorly operating contraption that could have been made much simpler if the engineers had been given proper time to design it.
Having said all of that...I love my Superbird just the way it is. And, I think it being all black makes it look shorter than most birds.

Interesting.....

Some very valid points. The birds beak is a bit un-user friendly.

To me......the beauty was in it's purpose. I go with form follows function. Aero cars, are about the ultimate in that aspect.

But......I've been curious for years how it would look......shorter. Really looking to see what you do here, as I do not like much of anything about the F+F car. Color, interior, wheels, just does not do anything for me. It's hard to get a feel for how a shorter nose would work. Be interesting to see as someday I want to do a clone.....

Will be watching

[pettybird]

Gilles: "The Daytona was designed for the high speed race".     

This sounds like a quote you'd hear in the movie Idiocracy.   

Welcome to Costco.  I love you.

[Aero426]

Welcome to Costco.  I love you.

[hotrod98]

This pic that Dane posted previously gives you a pretty good idea as to how much shorter the F&F6 Daytona is.

[Aero426]

(Wing cars never really made it on their looks, not in 1969 or today.) 

If this isn't beautiful, I don't know what is.

[dyslexic teddybear]

This pic that Dane posted previously gives you a pretty good idea as to how much shorter the F&F6 Daytona is.

I did see that pic, and it's a good comparison.

I just find it hard to get past the rest of the car.....and honestly, it's likely more the context of the [jmo] stupid movie that makes so hard to be objective. Yours will not have that automatic negativity to me.

So I will wait and watch what you do ....it will be at least 2 years before I could even start. A lot of time to learn as much as I can, decide just what I want and go from there.

And thanks in advance, I'm sure I will pick up things from your build that will save me time, $$$, and aggravation.

[Mike DC]

If this isn't beautiful, I don't know what is.

Hey, no fair, coming back with a pic like that!  


But you know what I'm getting at.  By the time they were selling the Superbirds in 1970 they had run out of interested buyers.  And modern replica conversions & retro wing cars have never been big sellers.  (At least not at 1:1 scale.)  

 

[Baldwinvette77]

heres what i think, gilles is trying to sell dodges, not vintage plymouths, i think he simply said petty drove the daytona to associate dodge with an iconic name, i mean hell, the clip is uploaded by dodge, in another video, they call a 1970 road runner from the 3rd movie a dodge 

[Budnicks]

(Wing cars never really made it on their looks, not in 1969 or today.) 

If this isn't beautiful, I don't know what is.

yeah that's a thing of beauty all right  

[odcics2]

(Wing cars never really made it on their looks, not in 1969 or today.) 

If this isn't beautiful, I don't know what is.

A Race Daytona Makes It !   

[mauve66]

but the guy they were interviewing is the HEAD OF SRT at MOPAR, how do you get a job without knowing anything about the companies products and history??

[Daytona R/T SE]

but the guy they were interviewing is the HEAD OF SRT at MOPAR, how do you get a job without knowing anything about the companies products and history??

My newest boss doesn't know dick about what we do.

But...

He talks about sports he's watched on TV.

He goes to the right church.

He plays golf.

That's all he needs to know.

[hotrod98]

A few years ago, I bought about 3,000 shares of stock in an up and coming new company. They hired a new CEO that knew nothing about their products. He did know a lot about taking exotic vacations and buying the very best homes and cars. My stock is now worth about 1/10th what it was originally.

[Aero426]

but the guy they were interviewing is the HEAD OF SRT at MOPAR, how do you get a job without knowing anything about the companies products and history??

I'd like to see someone walk up to Ralph and ask him what year Dodge won the 24 Hours of Daytona outright, and name just ONE of the drivers.     I am betting he'd have trouble answering it on the fly.  

I'm sorry,  but that F & F clip is just bad.    As a presenter, you are welcome to simplify the explanation to your viewers.  This is not difficult.    For example:
"The Daytona won a championship and set speed records in 1970".    "Richard Petty drove a wing car".   "Richard Petty drove a Charger".   "Richard Petty drove a car 'like this'."    But it is not OK to change history. 

If there is an out, it is possible Gilles did that in one take.   It is anyone's guess as to how much prep time he had before going on camera.   

[DC_1]

I'd like to see someone walk up to Ralph and ask him what year Dodge won the 24 Hours of Daytona outright, and name just ONE of the drivers.     I am betting he'd have trouble answering it on the fly.  

 

I have been a Dodge man my entire life. I've owned 5 - 2nd gen chargers, a 69 Dart GTS, a a71 Road Runner and countless other Chryslers including their new products. I like what they are doing now and frankly don't care that Gilles doesnt know obscure race history. He has done more to improve Chrysler performance on current models and reintroduce some design ques from their heritage than Trevor Creed or any of the other Management running Chrysler has since the '70s......Cut him some slack.

[472 R/T SE]

Here, here DC.    




Always been strictly a B body Charger type but the older I get, that's broadening.  Pretty easy to jump on the e body band wagon imo.



The Domtona is meh.  What I like is the car at the end of the movie that they say makes a couple quick cameos'. 

[JB400]

Sweet lookin Cuda

[DC_1]

As for the F&F 6 Daytona, lets remember this is Hollywood. Everything is fake and constructed to be more pleasing to the eye -even the people! The cars are superheroes like the actors. They are over dramatised to make their feats seem more believable. If the average 14 -32 year old male non-car guy saw a factory Daytona with 14" bias ply tires and hand crank windows they would think it was some oldman car that was customized poorly in the 70s!...... We all know that it was a functioning design for winning races but they are catering to a broader audience than us. 

[surmanajaja]

ok that aar cuda is sweet..but its all mopar& looks like it could have in 1970, exterior isnt radically altered. any links to a build?

[pettybird]

But it is not OK to change history. 

If there is an out, it is possible Gilles did that in one take.   It is anyone's guess as to how much prep time he had before going on camera.   

This.  Besides, number of takes aside, this was about the stupid car, and not casserole recipes.  

[pettybird]

ok that aar cuda is sweet..but its all mopar& looks like it could have in 1970, exterior isnt radically altered. any links to a build?

almost positive it was built by Dave Salvaggio in WI.  Looks like he hasn't updated his website since I wrote the content for it 3 years ago though 

[hotrod98]

Can you imagine how loud that F&F Daytona was at speed with the mufflers on the floor in the back seat.

[pettybird]

Can you imagine how loud that F&F Daytona was at speed with the mufflers on the floor in the back seat.

ahh...the BMW FIA exemption that was the final piece of the Porsche 935 puzzle...

[pettybird]

So, funny story...my office is filled with wing car crap, and my fedex guy just came in and told me about the documentary he saw about the cars.  apparently, they were banned because they were SO FAST that people were dying in them.

[Budnicks]

So, funny story...my office is filled with wing car crap, and my fedex guy just came in and told me about the documentary he saw about the cars.  apparently, they were banned because they were SO FAST that people were dying in them.

It's funny, people will say anything to be heard, I'm not sure why there is so much misinformation about wing cars, maybe it's the legend/mystery around them, made in such few #'s, that folklore has taken over, instead of facts...

[Daytona Guy]

I will just enjoy that the Daytona will be a focus car in this movie instead of another mustang or chevy. Who cares if they get it wrong about details. I'm going to just enjoy it.

Dane

[odcics2]

 

[Budnicks]

I will just enjoy that the Daytona will be a focus car in this movie instead of another mustang or chevy. Who cares if they get it wrong about details. I'm going to just enjoy it.

Dane

I'm not a big fan of the F&F movies, But at least they are car movies & I like the fact they are putting a big spot light on MoPars in general....

[bzabodyn]

I'm just happy to see Mopars in the movies, at all - what's cool at least is they have made Dom into a Mopar head and kept the theme throughout the series - the blown Charger, Hammer Roadrunner (by far my favorite), widebody Challenger, Daytona, Cuda, etc. I wonder who's behind the trend?

Hammer Roadrunner





My next pro touring project will steal a lot of cues from this car.

BZ

[hotrod98]

We have a 70 runner in the shop right now that is being built similar to the Hammer car. It's going to look sweet when finished.  440, 4 speed, dana, buckets, non console, 20" magnums.

[Budnicks]

We have a 70 runner in the shop right now that is being built similar to the Hammer car. It's going to look sweet when finished.  440, 4 speed, dana, buckets, non console, 20" magnums.

Nice 70 RR project...