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Speedometer pinion gear formula

Started by Dino, June 01, 2013, 10:11:41 PM

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Dino

Does anyone know how to calculate the exact pinion gear needed?  I bought a 28 tooth gear pinion following one of the charts.  I used 2.94 gears and a 28" tall tire.  It was only later I realized my gears are 2.96 and the tire, according to the manufacturer, is 27.9" tall.  Do I need a new pinion?
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A383Wing

there is a chart somewhere...but I have heard it's not all that accurate...what are you running that has 2.96 gears? I have never heard of that ratio...2.94 I have heard of, but not 2.96

Does car run? Got a GPS??

One tooth on the gears is about 5MPH if I remember

pic of a chart below

Bryan

Dino

The 2.96 gears came out of a '65 Coronet.  I thought it was strange as well but I saw the number stamped on the gear.  With GPS showing 55, my speedometer reads 45.  I have no idea what pinion gear is in there currently.
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A383Wing

28 should be about right..it's never gonna be perfect...you will need to find out what gear is in there now...then subtract 2 teeth to get close...

Bryan

oldcarnut

Quote from: A383Wing on June 01, 2013, 10:23:48 PM

One tooth on the gears is about 5MPH if I remember
pic of a chart below
Bryan


I was thinking it was close to 7mph-1 but I'm not positive I remember remembering that or that's what it ended up being for me with figuring one out way too many moons ago.  I do remember though the faster the speed the greater the difference so you may want to consider where your most time driving speed is at.

A383Wing

The MPH difference will vary with speed..I was quoting the difference from around 60 MPH or so

Bryan

XH29N0G

Quote from: A383Wing on June 01, 2013, 10:41:04 PM
28 should be about right..it's never gonna be perfect...you will need to find out what gear is in there now...then subtract 2 teeth to get close...

Bryan


:iagree:

a change of 0.1 on radius and 0.02 on rear ratio will make a difference much less than one tooth.
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John_Kunkel


For any formula you need to know the actual diameter of the tire. Best way to do this is to paint the tread of the tire with a small daub of paint and then roll the car until two paint spots appear on the pavement, this is the circumference. Measure between the paint spots and divide that distance by 3.1416 to get the diameter. Use that diameter on any charts.
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A383Wing

if the car does not roll, jack up car until tire is off ground. Take a tape measure and measure all the way around the center of the tread on tire. Take that and divide by 3.1415926 and that will be your diameter as well

Bryan

Paul G

Quote from: Dino on June 01, 2013, 10:38:16 PM
The 2.96 gears came out of a '65 Coronet.  I thought it was strange as well but I saw the number stamped on the gear.  With GPS showing 55, my speedometer reads 45.  I have no idea what pinion gear is in there currently.

Has the speedo been calibrated? It works by magnetism. The magnet spins, the speedo needle is held at zero by a spring, magnetism between the spinning magnet and the metal housing of the needle is what determines speed. Very sloppy system.

Check your odometer against the mile markers on the highway. I would bet your odo is just about correct, 1 mile traveled on the highway will tick off 1 mile on your odo. You may have the most correct gear already with the 28 tooth. If the odo is correct your speedo may need calibration.
1972 Charger Topper Special, 360ci, 46RH OD trans, 8 3/4 sure grip with 3.91 gear, 14.93@92 mph.
1973 Charger Rallye, 4 speed, muscle rat. Whatever engine right now?

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http://www.moparsaz.com/#

Dino

I measured around the wheel and did the calculations.  The 28 tooth gear should be pretty spot on so here's hoping.   :2thumbs:

Paul, I'm not sure what the current pinion gear is, this car used to have an entirely different drivetrain originally.  When I had the smaller wheels and 3.55 gears the odometer and speedometer were fairly accurate.  Once I changed the gears to 2.96 everything was off again and now that I changed the wheels it only got worse. 

I didn't buy another gear when I changed the pumpkin gears because I knew I was going to buy different wheels.  Now that I did it's time to get it reading a bit more accurate. 

I will check the odometer against the mile markers and see if the speedometer needs calibrating.
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Paul G

Re reading your original post, you have a 28 tooth gear just not installed yet, corect? I think you will be ok wih
1972 Charger Topper Special, 360ci, 46RH OD trans, 8 3/4 sure grip with 3.91 gear, 14.93@92 mph.
1973 Charger Rallye, 4 speed, muscle rat. Whatever engine right now?

Mopars Unlimited of Arizona

http://www.moparsaz.com/#

Dino

Quote from: Paul G on June 05, 2013, 08:01:28 AM
Re reading your original post, you have a 28 tooth gear just not installed yet, corect? I think you will be ok wih

Correct, I bought the 28 tooth gear and then started wondering if I made the right choice.  We'll find out as soon as I find out how to replace it!
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maxwellwedge

Make sure to "index" it properly in the case.  :2thumbs:

Dino

Quote from: maxwellwedge on June 05, 2013, 10:00:49 AM
Make sure to "index" it properly in the case.  :2thumbs:

I just looked up how to do this and noticed you have to line up the gear with the correct number range on the case so I'll be sure to do that.   :2thumbs:
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bull

Quote from: Dino on June 05, 2013, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on June 05, 2013, 10:00:49 AM
Make sure to "index" it properly in the case.  :2thumbs:

I just looked up how to do this and noticed you have to line up the gear with the correct number range on the case so I'll be sure to do that.   :2thumbs:

Do you have a link for this procedure?

Dino

Quote from: bull on January 02, 2014, 03:58:56 PM
Quote from: Dino on June 05, 2013, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on June 05, 2013, 10:00:49 AM
Make sure to "index" it properly in the case.  :2thumbs:

I just looked up how to do this and noticed you have to line up the gear with the correct number range on the case so I'll be sure to do that.   :2thumbs:

Do you have a link for this procedure?

Sure do!

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,74853.msg839457.html#msg839457

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bull

Wow, Johnny on the spot. :2thumbs: Thank you!

cudaken


Dino, I have a new one I have never installed. It is Mopar part # 1-52068152 and the gear is yellow.

See if someone can tell you if the parts number is correct for your needs.

           Ken
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