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« on: November 05, 2015, 11:41:40 AM »

Doing some research about 3 AM stumbles across a great batch of photos and a photographer just happened to snap a good photo of inside the car as it was going thru tech...........looks like a different floor back then.





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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 11:44:02 AM »

Nice pics!   2thumbs
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 02:24:48 PM »

Not many early pics exist...  especially in color.



* DC-93 initial shake down run at Daytona Nov. 1968 buddy baker driving.jpg (88.33 KB, 578x407 - viewed 1184 times.)

* DC-93 dodge charger 500 99 at 1969 daytona 500.jpg (64.66 KB, 670x405 - viewed 1425 times.)
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 02:36:06 PM »

Doing some research about 3 AM stumbles across a great batch of photos and a photographer just happened to snap a good photo of inside the car as it was going thru tech...........looks like a different floor back then.







DC-93 had at least 3 different axle coolers in it. Rear metal over the gear was updated at some point, after it was first out of Nichels shop in Nov.1968.  Rest of floor is the same...  
A lot of things were tried on this car first.  If it worked, the info or item got passed out to the race teams.
Stuff like electronic ignition, PITA bars, body to chassis rake, etc.
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 07:11:35 PM »

forgot to add. Eric della Faille photographer.

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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2015, 07:49:09 PM »

 Shocked   awesome pictures  , never seen these before !!   thanks for sharing  ,

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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2015, 11:28:07 AM »

Very cool pics!  Thanks for finding them at 3 am!?!  Shocked   icon_smile_big
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2015, 01:05:59 PM »

Very cool pics!  Thanks for finding them at 3 am!?!  Shocked   icon_smile_big


Yep Racing Porn is the best! Lol!  Wink  amazing what you can find if you look hard.

here is a cool one from a friend. Joe Machado owns the RH Wing Stabilizer from this shunt.



and a couple good ones found in my late night searches.

Michigan Twin



Atlanta Lorenzen Daytona.



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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2015, 04:40:12 PM »

 Anyone know the width of those tires ? I'd guess 10 inches, they don't look as wide as today's tires.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2015, 05:14:42 PM »

Anyone know the width of those tires ? I'd guess 10 inches, they don't look as wide as today's tires.

A little less than 10" with a section width of about 12".     Hoosier makes a HSC (historic stock car) tire that is wider.   Better fit for 80's and up cars. 
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2015, 04:12:17 AM »

Anyone know the width of those tires ? I'd guess 10 inches, they don't look as wide as today's tires.

A little less than 10" with a section width of about 12".     Hoosier makes a HSC (historic stock car) tire that is wider.   Better fit for 80's and up cars. 

I measured 10 to 10.5" tread width.  All are marked '8.00-8.20 15"   
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2015, 07:00:07 AM »

Kinda neat seeing the vent windows and side windows in the race cars! Twocents
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2015, 08:18:55 PM »

Anyone know the width of those tires ? I'd guess 10 inches, they don't look as wide as today's tires.

The wheels on my Daytona are the Bart Grand National rims with the slots ( first of their kind if memory serves me well ). Because they can't be made with anything bigger then a 4" back-spacing, the sidewalls of my 255/60R/15's will rub the fender... More caution is taken now when I turn for the tire will rub the very top of the wheel lip molding and that isn't good...... My fenders have never been flared ( and never will )...........
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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2015, 08:25:58 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2015, 06:50:33 AM »

Anyone know the width of those tires ? I'd guess 10 inches, they don't look as wide as today's tires.

The wheels on my Daytona are the Bart Grand National rims with the slots ( first of their kind if memory serves me well ). Because they can't be made with anything bigger then a 4" back-spacing, the sidewalls of my 255/60R/15's will rub the fender... More caution is taken now when I turn for the tire will rub the very top of the wheel lip molding and that isn't good...... My fenders have never been flared ( and never will )...........


 Dave Duncan'e Daytona that Jim Malloy and Bob Harkey drove was a non Nichels chassis and the front fenders weren't really flared either .kinda looks like a 4X4



same with Buddy Arrington's.

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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2015, 08:53:58 AM »

BART can make them 15 x 8 or 15 x 10.    Troy, I assume yours are 15 x 8.
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2015, 03:04:47 PM »

Anyone know the width of those tires ? I'd guess 10 inches, they don't look as wide as today's tires.

The wheels on my Daytona are the Bart Grand National rims with the slots ( first of their kind if memory serves me well ). Because they can't be made with anything bigger then a 4" back-spacing, the sidewalls of my 255/60R/15's will rub the fender... More caution is taken now when I turn for the tire will rub the very top of the wheel lip molding and that isn't good...... My fenders have never been flared ( and never will )...........


 Dave Duncan'e Daytona that Jim Malloy and Bob Harkey drove was a non Nichels chassis and the front fenders weren't really flared either .kinda looks like a 4X4



same with Buddy Arrington's.



The #26 has a stock dashboard!  Even has the pad on it and defroster vents!  99% sure a wet sump set up, too.
Note the flat rear window.  Simple piece of plexiglass slapped into the hole, not a "real" race rear window.

I'd say the Arrington ride is a Nichels by the dash and a wet sump, by the height of the front end.  It needed the front fenders cut out more.  Twocents

Take a peek at the #6 Bettenhausen Daytona - a known short track car conversion. Same deal, not a lot of the fender was opened up.
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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2015, 03:37:26 PM »

BART can make them 15 x 8 or 15 x 10.    Troy, I assume yours are 15 x 8.

Yes, they are 15x8 with a 4" backspacing.. That is the deepest they can go with the 71-up slotted Grand National wheels I have on the Daytona now. If I wanted to go to a more era-correct wheel like in the pictures ( closely resembles a Ford steelie ), I would have to go to their trailer wheel that looks a lot like the '70-earlier wheel. I would go 15x8 with a 4.25" back spacing or a 15x9/10 with a 4.5" back spacing... Gotta have full wheel wells on a Daytona...  If anything is going beyond 15x8's on the slotted version, one had better be careful with turning, the front tires will rub the wheel lip moulding and that's not good....
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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2015, 06:02:11 PM »

Anyone know the width of those tires ? I'd guess 10 inches, they don't look as wide as today's tires.

The wheels on my Daytona are the Bart Grand National rims with the slots ( first of their kind if memory serves me well ). Because they can't be made with anything bigger then a 4" back-spacing, the sidewalls of my 255/60R/15's will rub the fender... More caution is taken now when I turn for the tire will rub the very top of the wheel lip molding and that isn't good...... My fenders have never been flared ( and never will )...........


 Dave Duncan'e Daytona that Jim Malloy and Bob Harkey drove was a non Nichels chassis and the front fenders weren't really flared either .kinda looks like a 4X4



same with Buddy Arrington's.



The #26 has a stock dashboard!  Even has the pad on it and defroster vents!  99% sure a wet sump set up, too.
Note the flat rear window.  Simple piece of plexiglass slapped into the hole, not a "real" race rear window.

I'd say the Arrington ride is a Nichels by the dash and a wet sump, by the height of the front end.  It needed the front fenders cut out more.  Twocents

Take a peek at the #6 Bettenhausen Daytona - a known short track car conversion. Same deal, not a lot of the fender was opened up.


Also, the hood louvers look like it's an altered 68'-69' Charger hood. not a Daytona or even a 70' hood. but, as stated it is probably started out as a stock C500. only thing that exists of this car today is the decklid.
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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2015, 06:30:43 PM »

Was there any uniformity between cars as to the sides the exhaust exited on?  These all look like one on each side but I thought some had a double on the passenger side. shruggy
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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2015, 10:00:06 PM »

I've heard different reasons for it. one was kill some of the heat and engine noise under driver and less chance of pit fires from splashing fuel. but there could be other advantages i'm sure.
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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2015, 10:58:05 AM »


 Dave Duncan'e Daytona that Jim Malloy and Bob Harkey drove was a non Nichels chassis and the front fenders weren't really flared either .kinda looks like a 4X4



The #26 has a stock dashboard!  Even has the pad on it and defroster vents!  99% sure a wet sump set up, too.
Note the flat rear window.  Simple piece of plexiglass slapped into the hole, not a "real" race rear window.



Also, the hood louvers look like it's an altered 68'-69' Charger hood. not a Daytona or even a 70' hood. but, as stated it is probably started out as a stock C500. only thing that exists of this car today is the decklid.

The #26's stock dash pad is from a '68, as evidenced by the center "peak" profile that was '68-only... which might reduce the likelihood this chassis started out as a C500.  But then again... I've always heard that most oval track racecars started life out as a body-in-white which AFAIK wouldn't have had a dash and certainly not interior trim like dashpads.  Could some of the independents have bought a wrecked street chassis on the cheap and built up from there?

I remember the story of Cotton Owens taking a stripped HemiCharger(C500?) and turning it into a race chassis, so I suppose it could have happened with the big-name teams too.  Seems like this wouldn't be their first choice since a lot of time would be spent stripping out sound deadener, etc.

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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2015, 11:32:17 AM »


I bet that car started life as an actual production '68 Charger. 


Looking at where the wheel center points are located, in relation to the height of the rockers, that could be a street unibody under there with minor mods.

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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2015, 01:47:44 PM »


I bet that car started life as an actual production '68 Charger. 


Looking at where the wheel center points are located, in relation to the height of the rockers, that could be a street unibody under there with minor mods.




Hard to say. Dave Duncan isn't with us anymore I believe and I talked to Bob Harkey couple years ago and he said he only drove it twice he could remember. but it was turned into a 70 and Ralph Liquiri drove it. Not it still has the rear window plug. USAC allowed it.

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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2015, 02:45:51 PM »


I bet that car started life as an actual production '68 Charger.  


Looking at where the wheel center points are located, in relation to the height of the rockers, that could be a street unibody under there with minor mods.



Hard to say. Dave Duncan isn't with us anymore I believe and I talked to Bob Harkey couple years ago and he said he only drove it twice he could remember. but it was turned into a 70 and Ralph Liquiri drove it. Not it still has the rear window plug. USAC allowed it.




Dashboard looks different than the #26, to me.

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