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« Reply #325 on: April 19, 2017, 04:31:46 AM »

I'll settle for the "replica", side by side, they're the same..


No Sir...they are most certainly not....we will just have to agree to disagree!
.......but to be fair, in your business, it would be strange if you had the other point of view...so fair enough.



Actually from a structural/mechanical aspect the replica would be a far better product, the attention to the build, detail, assembly, construction, overall finish, materials used, etc would be FAR SUPERIOR than the factory assembled mass production unit, assuming the builder was of a fastidious nature

Mike

Agreed!   But, it's still not a Ferrari.

IMO, a car closer to original is worth more than a pile of repop sheetmetal, no matter how well crafted.       Twocents
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« Reply #326 on: April 19, 2017, 06:05:30 AM »

This fine car can be yours for the small sum of $150k I saw this car at the AMD showroom yesterday.Looks very good.But missing drive train and interior.This is a testament that nothing is too far gone.Hats off the AMD and the people who dedicate themselves to the perseveration of the cars we love.
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« Reply #327 on: April 19, 2017, 06:19:45 AM »

If there really asking 150k for a virtual clone of itself no matter how well made .......dynacorn should get in the game building new b bodies it seems pretty lucrative ,while it would be nice to assemble a new car real car owners would probably not apreciate this or taking a hit in their investments......ill settle for a satellite  bird because the markets gone too high for me to get in as it is for many
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« Reply #328 on: April 19, 2017, 06:57:16 AM »

This fine car can be yours for the small sum of $150k I saw this car at the AMD showroom yesterday.Looks very good.But missing drive train and interior.This is a testament that nothing is too far gone.Hats off the AMD and the people who dedicate themselves to the perseveration of the cars we love.

I wonder how much all the new metal parts price adds up to and all the man hours $ adds up to put this car together to see how much of a premium the vin tag is really worth  shruggy
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« Reply #329 on: April 19, 2017, 08:22:13 AM »

If there really asking 150k for a virtual clone of itself no matter how well made .......dynacorn should get in the game building new b bodies it seems pretty lucrative ,while it would be nice to assemble a new car real car owners would probably not apreciate this or taking a hit in their investments......ill settle for a satellite  bird because the markets gone too high for me to get in as it is for many
Big difference between a dynacorn first gen camaro and a possibility of a B body

Compare the costs of the rebuilds of each and the actual volume/demand for either one....Mopar has never been financially beneficial in the restoration parts industry for vendors and they pale in comparison to the other makes.....

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« Reply #330 on: April 20, 2017, 07:19:52 AM »

true enough these arent camaros and mustangs  and we dont want them to be......every mopar guy expects to pay more to build their cars but at 150 k for a roller seems like theres room for profit even if it were a third the price and if a b body were recreated im sure you could build all the cars that came from that unibody platform with differing outer sheet metal....thats how mopar did it chassis and mechanicals were the same car brands and body styles to change it up ,having a wider audience and more cars to choose from could make it viable ......  not that wed ever expect to pay mustang /camaro type prices.  Its too bad because you cant buy whats not available
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« Reply #331 on: April 20, 2017, 03:42:18 PM »

I'll settle for the "replica", side by side, they're the same..


No Sir...they are most certainly not....we will just have to agree to disagree!
.......but to be fair, in your business, it would be strange if you had the other point of view...so fair enough.



Actually from a structural/mechanical aspect the replica would be a far better product, the attention to the build, detail, assembly, construction, overall finish, materials used, etc would be FAR SUPERIOR than the factory assembled mass production unit, assuming the builder was of a fastidious nature

Mike

Agreed!   But, it's still not a Ferrari.

IMO, a car closer to original is worth more than a pile of repop sheetmetal, no matter how well crafted.       Twocents

Agreed,
Anyone who thinks this pile is worth similar to an original is dreaming.
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« Reply #332 on: April 20, 2017, 08:26:04 PM »

I'll settle for the "replica", side by side, they're the same..


No Sir...they are most certainly not....we will just have to agree to disagree!
.......but to be fair, in your business, it would be strange if you had the other point of view...so fair enough.



Actually from a structural/mechanical aspect the replica would be a far better product, the attention to the build, detail, assembly, construction, overall finish, materials used, etc would be FAR SUPERIOR than the factory assembled mass production unit, assuming the builder was of a fastidious nature

Mike

Agreed!   But, it's still not a Ferrari.

IMO, a car closer to original is worth more than a pile of repop sheetmetal, no matter how well crafted.       Twocents

Agreed,
Anyone who thinks this pile is worth similar to an original is dreaming.


 iagree  I agree.   scratchchin
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« Reply #333 on: April 25, 2017, 12:52:53 PM »

Its funny how Folks are getting all 'hot under the collar' with rare Mopars!
Some of us can remember when they were just grocery getters, used and abused!

Many Aero's were 'left for dead', back when IT DIDN'T MATTER!!! slap

Now when Aero's are trendy again, everyone wants one and can't afford 'em... RantExplode
They should have been treated better by the owners 'back in the day' and there wouldn't be any Rotters now.
Nearly all the Aero's should be in rustfree condition and cared for, From day ONE!

Apart from car wrecks and 'Acts of God' there should be well over 2400 Aero's left for all to enjoy.

But alas NO, probably less than a 1000 who knows?

WW
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« Reply #334 on: April 25, 2017, 01:59:30 PM »

Its funny how Folks are getting all 'hot under the collar' with rare Mopars!
Some of us can remember when they were just grocery getters, used and abused!

Many Aero's were 'left for dead', back when IT DIDN'T MATTER!!! slap

Now when Aero's are trendy again, everyone wants one and can't afford 'em... RantExplode
They should have been treated better by the owners 'back in the day' and there wouldn't be any Rotters now.
Nearly all the Aero's should be in rustfree condition and cared for, From day ONE!

Apart from car wrecks and 'Acts of God' there should be well over 2500 Aero's left for all to enjoy.

But alas NO, probably less than a 1000 who knows?

WW

The survival rate on wing cars is far higher than the typical muscle car.

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« Reply #335 on: April 25, 2017, 05:15:38 PM »

Its funny how Folks are getting all 'hot under the collar' with rare Mopars!
Some of us can remember when they were just grocery getters, used and abused!

Many Aero's were 'left for dead', back when IT DIDN'T MATTER!!! slap

Now when Aero's are trendy again, everyone wants one and can't afford 'em... RantExplode
They should have been treated better by the owners 'back in the day' and there wouldn't be any Rotters now.
Nearly all the Aero's should be in rustfree condition and cared for, From day ONE!

Apart from car wrecks and 'Acts of God' there should be well over 2500 Aero's left for all to enjoy.

But alas NO, probably less than a 1000 who knows?

WW

The survival rate on wing cars is far higher than the typical muscle car.



If the survival rate of A12's, which are not your 'average' muscle car, some variants in fact being rarer than Daytona's, can be used as a yardstick in determining how many aero cars there are left, your'e looking at around a 17% survival rate (3300 approx A12's made, 565 survivors accounted for so far). There'll be some variation based on  peoples own interpretations of which ones were driven hardest or looked after better, but even allowing for 5% swings, at best there'll be around 550  aero car survivors @ 22% of the original production. At a guess, about 5 A12's a year are discovered 'in the wild' but that pool will dry up fast and taper off to one a year pretty soon. Basically, like aero's, its uncommon for them to be found and the % of survivors will not move much from where it is now, so the point is, if you really want one, your best chance is today!
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« Reply #336 on: April 25, 2017, 09:00:20 PM »

Its funny how Folks are getting all 'hot under the collar' with rare Mopars!
Some of us can remember when they were just grocery getters, used and abused!

Many Aero's were 'left for dead', back when IT DIDN'T MATTER!!! slap

Now when Aero's are trendy again, everyone wants one and can't afford 'em... RantExplode
They should have been treated better by the owners 'back in the day' and there wouldn't be any Rotters now.
Nearly all the Aero's should be in rustfree condition and cared for, From day ONE!

Apart from car wrecks and 'Acts of God' there should be well over 2500 Aero's left for all to enjoy.




But alas NO, probably less than a 1000 who knows?

WW


How could there be or should there be over 2500 Aero's left, I don't think the total # of Aero's made was 2500. It was less then that. more like 2438. LEON.
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« Reply #337 on: April 25, 2017, 09:29:43 PM »


If the survival rate of A12's, which are not your 'average' muscle car, some variants in fact being rarer than Daytona's, can be used as a yardstick in determining how many aero cars there are left, your'e looking at around a 17% survival rate (3300 approx A12's made, 565 survivors accounted for so far). There'll be some variation based on  peoples own interpretations of which ones were driven hardest or looked after better, but even allowing for 5% swings, at best there'll be around 550  aero car survivors @ 22% of the original production. At a guess, about 5 A12's a year are discovered 'in the wild' but that pool will dry up fast and taper off to one a year pretty soon. Basically, like aero's, its uncommon for them to be found and the % of survivors will not move much from where it is now, so the point is, if you really want one, your best chance is today!

The Daytona and Superbird survival rate is over 60% of production.   C500, Talladega and Spoiler II rates are significantly less. 
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« Reply #338 on: April 25, 2017, 09:50:29 PM »


If the survival rate of A12's, which are not your 'average' muscle car, some variants in fact being rarer than Daytona's, can be used as a yardstick in determining how many aero cars there are left, your'e looking at around a 17% survival rate (3300 approx A12's made, 565 survivors accounted for so far). There'll be some variation based on  peoples own interpretations of which ones were driven hardest or looked after better, but even allowing for 5% swings, at best there'll be around 550  aero car survivors @ 22% of the original production. At a guess, about 5 A12's a year are discovered 'in the wild' but that pool will dry up fast and taper off to one a year pretty soon. Basically, like aero's, its uncommon for them to be found and the % of survivors will not move much from where it is now, so the point is, if you really want one, your best chance is today!

The Daytona and Superbird survival rate is over 60% of production.   C500, Talladega and Spoiler II rates are significantly less. 

Well in that case I don't know why theres such a fuss about them! icon_smile_tongue

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« Reply #339 on: April 26, 2017, 12:48:55 PM »

Thanx Leon, it was a typo it was supposed to say 2400.
If I had bought an Aero in 69/70 then it would be still in COTTON wool!
Cotton Owens never cut-up any Aero's and none were ever used for racing.
Apart from a mad dash down the Freeway and occasional dragstrip duty, how would 40% get wrecked???
We are not talking Ferrari's here just an expensive grocery getter with a wing/nose and window plug
If you could afford one, it would be a second or third use car only.

Todays prices are not representitve of 1970 Exoctica! rofl
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« Reply #340 on: April 26, 2017, 01:18:25 PM »

Thanx Leon, it was a typo it was supposed to say 2400.
If I had bought an Aero in 69/70 then it would be still in COTTON wool!
Cotton Owens never cut-up any Aero's and none were ever used for racing.
Apart from a mad dash down the Freeway and occasional dragstrip duty, how would 40% get wrecked???
We are not talking Ferrari's here just an expensive grocery getter with a wing/nose and window plug
If you could afford one, it would be a second or third use car only.

Todays prices are not representitve of 1970 Exoctica! rofl

I would guess that more rotted away than were wrecked.  Twocents
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« Reply #341 on: April 26, 2017, 09:02:09 PM »

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If you could afford one, it would be a second or third use car only.


not always the case. ours was the primary family car from day one until another car was purchased new in 1974. the daytona still saw semi-regular (and year round) use through the next decade

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« Reply #342 on: April 26, 2017, 10:39:05 PM »

Thanx Leon, it was a typo it was supposed to say 2400.
If I had bought an Aero in 69/70 then it would be still in COTTON wool!
Cotton Owens never cut-up any Aero's and none were ever used for racing.
Apart from a mad dash down the Freeway and occasional dragstrip duty, how would 40% get wrecked???
We are not talking Ferrari's here just an expensive grocery getter with a wing/nose and window plug
If you could afford one, it would be a second or third use car only.

Todays prices are not representitve of 1970 Exoctica! rofl


I was only counting wing cars. I guess if you were to count/add the 1969 500 then it would be over 2500 scratchchin shruggy  LEON.
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« Reply #343 on: November 29, 2017, 03:51:27 PM »

Just watched the show on how they sliced and diced it. They built the car on a jig with all new AMD parts except the front frame rails and door hinge pilars that were sourced from another car in his junkyard.

After the car was made on the jig they slapped the drivers outer rocker on along with the inner roof/ inner quarter panel framing from the daytona. And call it the original car saying they salvaged as much as possible. If i had to guess id say 5% of the original car is there. oh ya but the original VIN tag is in place.

150k for basically a dynacorn shell really ? i hope thats a joke.



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« Reply #344 on: November 30, 2017, 04:01:27 PM »

Thanx Leon, it was a typo it was supposed to say 2400.
If I had bought an Aero in 69/70 then it would be still in COTTON wool!
Cotton Owens never cut-up any Aero's and none were ever used for racing.
Apart from a mad dash down the Freeway and occasional dragstrip duty, how would 40% get wrecked???
We are not talking Ferrari's here just an expensive grocery getter with a wing/nose and window plug
If you could afford one, it would be a second or third use car only.

Todays prices are not representitve of 1970 Exoctica! rofl


I was only counting wing cars. I guess if you were to count/add the 1969 500 then it would be over 2500 scratchchin shruggy  LEON.
    The 500'S took a beating because they looked like any other Charger from 20 feet away and were driven as such,  mine included...
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« Reply #345 on: November 30, 2017, 05:09:58 PM »

Wasn't there an urban myth about the C500 in the junkyard - owner says, " I'm gonna crush that one, it didn't get the fancy hideaway grill".   Shocked
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« Reply #346 on: November 30, 2017, 09:57:49 PM »

Just off top of my head but I am pretty sure there is around 375 of the Daytonaís accounted for that are still around. I can personally account to 278 of the 500ís as still being around. Have info on several others that arenít around any more too. Last I heard there was around 1,000-1,100 of the Superbird tgat are accounted for and still around. So that brings you to 1,600-1,800 right there out of the 2,700 roughly built.
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« Reply #347 on: December 01, 2017, 06:49:45 AM »

Be interesting to know how many of them are rebodied cars with switched VINs etc......quite a few I'm willing to bet.
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« Reply #348 on: December 05, 2017, 01:15:20 PM »

Be interesting to know how many of them are rebodied cars with switched VINs etc......quite a few I'm willing to bet.

WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY back in 1983, there was a MoPar show-swap meet at Milan Dragway, in Michigan.
I sat there and listened to a guy brag how he SAVED a rusted out hemi Road Runner from getting junked because he put all the numbers on a rust free Satellite from Arizona!  (along with the entire driveline, dashboard, etc.) 

That was back when the cars were CHEAP!     This stuff has been going on for decades. Unless you bought the car new, who really knows it's history?
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