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Author Topic: Help Please. Need info on bird headliner install and pictures  (Read 2224 times)
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« on: December 31, 2016, 09:15:11 AM »

 coolgleamA I,m back at it and I'm ready to tackle the head liner. I have been looking at different disassembly and reassembly pics and I have a few questions.
On the rear package tray there is a metal rod to help hold down the headliner. I haven't gone thru all on my boxes but I can't seem to find it. It looks like just a headliner bow that has been modified. Is it just on the drivers side or both sides.Does anyone have an extra one they would want to part with. Also the rear rubber molding around the rear window. If I remember there is a molding to match the rubber gasket. I could use a picture of that. I haven.t found that gasket or the molding. I know I took them off when I disassembled the car so I should have them but I don't remember that metal rod. If anyone has pictures of there cars showing the fit and finish of the headliner that would be very helpful. Thanks in advance. 2thumbs 


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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2016, 05:21:34 PM »

Found the rear headliner gasket and the clip. I think the clip goes on the top of the rear window frame.
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2017, 03:03:49 PM »

A few pics from my restoration. Hope these help. There are 2 rods - one for each side to hold the headliner in place.
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2017, 03:05:37 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2017, 03:07:35 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2017, 03:06:31 PM »

Found a disassembly photo that might be helpful
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2017, 05:01:36 PM »

Thanks for the Pics.  Do they look like the same material (Metal/Shape) as the headliner bows? I was thinking that was what I would make them out of.
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2017, 05:55:22 PM »

As near as I can recall, they were made from 1/4" rod
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2017, 07:08:56 PM »

If remember in the morning.. I'll go measure mine. I have the package tray loose in the back of my Bird.
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2017, 08:39:17 PM »

Great pictures guys. One question. Are the superbird headliner teeth around the plug modified original 70 b-body pieces as it was built or are they originally from some other application and adapted to the bird plug?
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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2017, 12:49:45 PM »

If remember in the morning.. I'll go measure mine. I have the package tray loose in the back of my Bird.

Mine are about a 1/4" wide and about 3/16 thick. Rounded edges but kind of like a rectangle shape. I assume they're original and this shape would have made for easier bend control..... or someone made mine  shruggy
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2017, 05:46:49 AM »

Did all Superbirds have these bars?
I am about to fit my headliner, however when I removed the original liner they were no there. The parcel shelf had speakers in it, so a possibility that they have been removed. Are they really needed. The liner seemed OK without them.


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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2017, 07:10:59 AM »

Okay I have to get some pics of my window area. What are your guys vin numbers? Mine is a later build vin 178644. My package tray and rear window channel both had metal work done on them so the holes are not visible in mine. Rickroadrunner are all 4 holes in your panel? Mine also has more grabber parts around the rear window. I'l get some pics today.
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2017, 10:29:00 AM »

Here are some pictures of mine. I still have to clean and paint the underside of the roof skin. Jim on your green car did you paint the underside roof all green? If you did can you see it thru the holes in the headliner? I was going to paint mine black but trim the edges with orange. The metal work on the corners was done in the early 90,s before all the repo panels came out. Maybe not as nice as today's resto's but pretty good for the time.


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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2017, 10:50:16 AM »

My Superbird is a 162XXX VIN built mid November.
Yes, I did have the whole interior sprayed in LimeLight including the roof. You can't see the green through the headliner.

Interesting that you don't have the holes to install the rods?? Seems very doubtful that someone would have welded them up - so more likely they were not punched in the stamping plant?Huh I looked through my files of old Chrysler Superbird development documents but didnt see any mention of any changes affecting these hold-down rods.
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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2017, 11:13:44 AM »

I wonder if  Rickroadrunner's car has the holes? It doesn't look like he had the bows installed in his. I know for sure that mine had work done on the rear package tray and it is possible that part might have been replaced.


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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2017, 05:44:11 AM »

My build date was november 18. I do not have the 4 holes, only the 2 elongated holes in front of the diagonal brace. My car was untouched, so no way the holes were welded up.
Maybe the bars were not standard and had been added at some stage?
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2017, 01:30:53 PM »

Looks like my build /assembly date was Tues Dec 9 in and Wed Dec 10 out.
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2017, 02:25:49 PM »

My build date was november 18. I do not have the 4 holes, only the 2 elongated holes in front of the diagonal brace. My car was untouched, so no way the holes were welded up.
Maybe the bars were not standard and had been added at some stage?

Wierd
My build date is before yours and I have the holes!!!

I looked through the Superbird Parts List and cant see anything that looks like these retainer rods!!
The mystery deepens!!!
Jim
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2017, 02:38:19 PM »

My build date was november 18. I do not have the 4 holes, only the 2 elongated holes in front of the diagonal brace. My car was untouched, so no way the holes were welded up.
Maybe the bars were not standard and had been added at some stage?

Wierd
My build date is before yours and I have the holes!!!

I looked through the Superbird Parts List and cant see anything that looks like these retainer rods!!
The mystery deepens!!!
Jim

This was probably a "wing it" sort of thing.....
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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2017, 04:29:36 PM »

The best I can remember which was over 10 yrs ago, the rods cross section was triangulated with large radius corners,... Not a lot of flat areas.

Also appears not all rods were bent the same.

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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2017, 05:01:55 PM »

It looks like a regular headliner bow that they modified. In thehemikids picture it looks like it has green paint on the end. The second headliner bow for my car also has green on the end.


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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2017, 05:13:13 PM »

Better pictures


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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2017, 05:15:38 PM »

I just put it on the deck and it looks pretty close


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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2017, 07:16:18 AM »

Well I've given it some thought and I would like to add these headliner hold downs to my car. I think they will be helpful in the install of the headliner and help to keep the headliner attached. I live out in farm country and most the roads are 55+mile per hour, with the windows open that will put a lot of wind pressure on the
headliner.  So if any of you fellow bird owners have your back seats out and want to measure where the 4 holes are punched/size of holes and the length of the rods I would greatly appreciate all the help. If you can take pics that would be really helpful to.  2thumbs
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