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71 daytona clone

Started by Bandit72, April 20, 2006, 09:01:14 PM

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Bandit72

does anyone have pictures of those 3rd gen daytonas that somebody buillt? I would like to see them again

thanks


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link------------->www.dayclona.com

nascarxx29

I have a picture of a 71 or 72 orange daytona clone built way back in the 80-s. I even remember seening it done  back in the day on a 73-74 b body.
It wasnt till dayclona came along and did up a real nice version of one.
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

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could you post soem pics of that orange original replica?-MATT


BigBlockSam

i don't dig that double wing
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CFMopar

Chrysler did test with the double wing thats why they did some with it...
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hemigeno

Quote from: Chuck_Norris(TM) on April 24, 2006, 03:58:42 PM
Chrysler did test with the double wing thats why they did some with it...

Yep, they absolutely did.  Here's a picture from the aerowarriors.com website of that very thing...  Rumor has it that they were even thinking of a tri-wing concept too, but thankfully that never went anywhere.


BigBlockSam

wow, look at that. i did not know that. i just don't like how it looks. did they get alot more down force with it?
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hemigeno

Quote from: BigBlockSam on April 24, 2006, 04:23:43 PM
did they get alot more down force with it?

As with most engineers, the thought process goes something like:

If some is good, more is better...

There is a WHOLE bunch of documents related to this topic and the conclusions they came to on the aerowarriors.com site here:

http://aerowarriors.com/gswtt.html

To directly answer your question, the bi-wing definitely produced more rear wheel downforce.  They also tested a wing that had a 19" cross-section circumference (it was almost 8" wide, and if you wrapped a tape measure around the airfoil it was close to 19"), but it wasn't as good as the bi-wing.

Interestingly enough, the G-series racecar was not generally considered as good as the F-series Daytona.  Some aspects of the '71 version were better, but overall the Daytona was about as good as it got for Chrysler from an aero standpoint.


Geno

BigBlockSam

thanks Geno, thats pretty cool
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2fast4u


   I have some shots also................
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BigBlockSam

i've always thought that the aero dynamics on that red car's nose are kinda up side down. Rene
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mikepmcs

Quote from: 2fast4u on April 24, 2006, 09:50:45 PM

   I have some shots also................

That some cool stuff though you gotta admit!  I'd take those cars in a heartbeat for sure. :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
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hotrod98

I'm holding on to a real solid 74 charger just to build a wing car of some kind. I think that I can convert one of the daytona noses that we're starting to build and I'm going to make a fiberglass wing from my aluminum daytona wing. Should be a nice driver.


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moparfied

I think that double blade is cool! Its over the top!

71gtx


4Q

If the factory never made it, but had the plans to do it;  isn\'t it a prototype? 

moparfied

I don\'t know if you could call it a prototype,because it was not built by Chrysler,but it is a full scale representation of the wind tunnel test model. I wonder if that dual blade wing has more downforce than the regular wing,and if it feels different than a regular wingcar at speed?

Ghoste

It's cool no matter what you call it.

hemigeno

Quote from: moparfied on May 07, 2006, 01:15:08 PM
I wonder if that dual blade wing has more downforce than the regular wing

The following was posted 8 replies above...

Quote from: hemigeno on April 24, 2006, 05:04:49 PM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on April 24, 2006, 04:23:43 PM
did they get alot more down force with it?


To directly answer your question, the bi-wing definitely produced more rear wheel downforce.  They also tested a wing that had a 19" cross-section circumference (it was almost 8" wide, and if you wrapped a tape measure around the airfoil it was close to 19"), but it wasn't as good as the bi-wing.


The bi-wing design was never (to my knowledge) put on the racetrack.  It may have actually upset the balance of the car in general, since if you put more downforce on the very rear of the car, it creates positive lift on the front of the car.

I don't know if anyone can answer the question as to how the bi-wing felt on the track if Chrysler only tested it in the wind tunnel, and even then it might depend totally on which aero nose, backlight, and windshield fairing treatments it was coupled with.

:Twocents:

moparfied

I wonder if the way the lower blade is located right at the roof line,if the air coming off the roof,and between the upper blade would make the car more stable. I also have to wonder if it would be a positive or negative effect in the corners. I do not know if the Dayclona guys have had those cars up to the speeds where the downforce takes effect,but it would be cool to know if there is a difference in the effectiveness of the bi wing verses the single blade wing. If I see those guys at Carlsile,I will ask them about it.

myrt70

Those 71 wingcars are really cool,I like the Superbird the best. Dayclona does some really nice work!
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moparfied

I saw their cars at a show in Connecticut, They had the three 71 wingcars there,and the orange Charger convertible. I had never seen that black 71 Superbee wingcar before,that car is my favorite one. I had seen the other ones in the magazines before,but I did not know about the black one. It was sinister looking. What a bad ass car!

4Q

I think of them as prototypes because Chrysler did not have to be the builder.  They sent out the RTS cars to built.  Had Chrysler built it, would it be a Pilot car or would the pilot car be the first few cars of a production run? Definately not a clone because there would have to an original built to clone from.  How about a custom or modified? They are both of those, but they represent what Chrysler was actually going to build.  That is the way cool part.  Food for thought.  I just appreciate the workmanship and wish I could have been involved in the projects, just out of curiosity and a learning experience.  Oh well, I live way too far away for that.

moparfied

Hey 4Q I hear ya about the clone thing. Those cars were built from actual Chrysler wind tunnel models,and those guys not only built the cars by looking at the pictures. The lady said that the guy who fabricated the aero parts,actually used a micrometer.and a slide rule to measure the pictures,and so he could build them to the exact scale that they would have been if the wind tunnel models would have been full size cars. She said that this guy is an engineer/machinist,and was a stickler for details. She said,he would only build the cars if they were acurate. I talked to her for a long time. So long I was starting to think she was feeling uncomfortable about it. But she was really nice,and answered all my questions about the cars. I never seen a girl that was so into cars. She even had pictures of her doing mechanical,and body work on the cars,how cool is that!

myrt70

I doubt she would have felt so uncomfortable,if you were not latched on to her thigh!  I hope your not one those guys at the shows,that never goes away! Just kidding.
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Ghoste

Especially since the guy she was talking about is her husband and he likely wasn't too far away at the time. ;)

moparfied

You got me,youguys are onto me,I admit it,I am the imfamous car show stalker! You know what they said about the dog scruffy in the movie airplane!

mikepmcs

i named my dog scruffy cause of that movie.

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moparfied

No just a Turkish bath house,but that only happened,because of my drinking problem!

myrt70

That just aint right,its like peewee at the movies!
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moparfied

Lets get back to the cars,enough about my unusual behavior! I wonder what they are going to build next.

tan top

looks good to me , i wonder how fast the G series wing cars would of run at Talladega,
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hotrod98

Sometimes I think it's difficult for the conventional wing car guys to admit just how nice the 3rd gen style wing cars look. As soon as my bird clone and daytona clone are finished, I'm going to make an extra daytona nose and alter it to fit my 74 charger hardtop car. We plan to alter a wing for it as well. If I like the way they turn out, we may make a set of molds for them. We've also come up with a way to convert the 73-74 doors to look like the 71 r/t doors. With that mod plus the side markers filled in, it might make a pretty nice looking car.


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myrt70

All the cars that the Dayclona guys have built,are over the top. The thing that makes the 3rd generation wingcars so cool,is that Chrysler probably would have built them if Nascar had not pulled the plug. That watermelon recreation,and that convertible Charger,showed what those guys are capable of doing with the second generation cars too. I would like to see what they come up with next.
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nitrometal

Thanks for posting all of those pictures.  I had only seen one before and it wasn't very clear.  I really like the way they look.
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Big Kahuna

My daily driver is a 78 Dodge Magnum -- which kinda-sorta (see www.magnumgt.com for the Charger/Magnum story) replaced the Charger. I've always wanted to put a wing and nose on it.




I suspect someday I will.
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moparfied

I thought they already made a Charger Daytona version of that car BK

hotrod98

Quote from: Big Kahuna on May 11, 2006, 08:01:18 PM
My daily driver is a 78 Dodge Magnum -- which kinda-sorta (see www.magnumgt.com for the Charger/Magnum story) replaced the Charger. I've always wanted to put a wing and nose on it.




I suspect someday I will.

BK,
I would love to see a wing car version of your car. We need someone to photochop that bad boy just to see what it would look like.


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mikepmcs

crap BK, that's a nice ride.  I saw one on ebay a while ago and almost had to have it.  I love those cars and yours is mint!!!
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Big Kahuna

Quote from: moparfied on May 11, 2006, 08:43:50 PM
I thought they already made a Charger Daytona version of that car BK

The made one of the 77 Charger -- but it didn't have a nose or a wing
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moparfied

There was a guy around here that had one of those 77 Charger Daytonas,thats why I brought it up. I saw the car in a junkyard about two years ago. It was not in bad shape until they manhandled it with the forklift! That would be the car to build an aero car from,they already gave it the name!

Big Kahuna

While true, in 79 Car Craft  riend to make the Magnum an aero car. They had Mancini build it and then gave it away. That, and the Magnum's nose, and because I'm a Magnum fan (I have five of them), and my first new car was a Magnum -- makes it perfect for me.

http://www.magnumgt.com/



http://www.magnumgt.com/carcraft.htm


Plus the King raced one (although quite honestly he hated it and went to Olds and Chevy in late 78.




Buddy Arrington, Neil Bonnett, Kyle Petty, and Marty Robbins also ran the Magnums







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Big Kahuna

I screwed up and posted the 81 Imperial of Buddy Arrington -- but he did run a Magnum before that
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moparfied

BK There was a guy in my neighbor hood who had a Magnum GT,it had a factory rear spoiler,fender flares,and T Tops. It was metallic brown,with white GT graphics on it.

Big Kahuna

I have an original GT with the E-58 motor






I'm pretty sure the spoiler was aftermarket and the stripes came in the trunk and applied by the dealer based on the customer preferences. Most didn't have them. There were even a few that had fender flare deletes.

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moparfied

The GT that I was talking about was a brand new car,when I first saw it,ang the GT stripes were also on the spoiler. Those Magnums are nice cars, they are one of the Mopars that I always wanted to own,but never have.

mikepmcs

i really want one of those cars now, i gotta have one, that thing is MINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :METAL: :METAL: :METAL: :METAL:
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