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« on: February 08, 2017, 08:15:47 PM »

Would you consider a ford talledega a necessary piece in an aero car collection? I know nothing about them but there is a white one for sale on hemmings. If i sold my 65 barracuda i could afford it, i just dont know their vslue or history. Then a 69 c500 in white i would have all 4 of the aero cars if talledega is part of the group.
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2017, 08:21:40 PM »

Better save up for the 5th aero car  Wink
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2017, 08:25:20 PM »

Without the Talladega, there would be no Daytona or Superbird.
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2017, 09:02:44 PM »

you'll need both of the dearborn aero cars to make a full house.

luckily for you, while colors choices were very sparse, white is one of them on both versions
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2017, 09:20:04 PM »

Without the Talladega, there would be no Daytona or Superbird.

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2017, 09:22:46 PM »

Ok youve got me what is the 5th car? Cyclone?
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2017, 09:28:17 PM »

Mercury Cyclone Spoiler II

https://www.legendarycollectorcars.com/museum/1969-mercury-cyclone-dan-gurney-special-spoiler-ii/
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2017, 04:35:35 AM »

Would you consider a ford talledega a necessary piece in an aero car collection? I know nothing about them but there is a white one for sale on hemmings. If i sold my 65 barracuda i could afford it, i just dont know their vslue or history. Then a 69 c500 in white i would have all 4 of the aero cars if talledega is part of the group.





You might want to consider adding one of these, to have an ultimate Aero collection...call me when you want one built  icon_smile_big

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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2017, 08:40:01 AM »

Would you consider a ford talledega a necessary piece in an aero car collection? I know nothing about them but there is a white one for sale on hemmings. If i sold my 65 barracuda i could afford it, i just dont know their vslue or history. Then a 69 c500 in white i would have all 4 of the aero cars if talledega is part of the group.





You might want to consider adding one of these, to have an ultimate Aero collection...call me when you want one built  icon_smile_big

    I understand the metal work but what do you do about a bumper ?
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2017, 10:25:44 AM »

  The bumper is of a Pinto. nana
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2017, 10:49:19 AM »

Maybe some 71 cars too?


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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2017, 11:19:39 AM »

Would you consider a ford talledega a necessary piece in an aero car collection? I know nothing about them but there is a white one for sale on hemmings. If i sold my 65 barracuda i could afford it, i just dont know their vslue or history. Then a 69 c500 in white i would have all 4 of the aero cars if talledega is part of the group.





You might want to consider adding one of these, to have an ultimate Aero collection...call me when you want one built  icon_smile_big

    I understand the metal work but what do you do about a bumper ?



No different than fabricating any other part of the car
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2017, 02:09:44 PM »

 The bumper is of a Pinto. nana


Pinto or Maverick?, possibility?...wouldn't be the first time an auto manufacture raids it's parts bin for readily available parts, all the manufactures do it

None the less a cool car, be it the Mercury or Ford versions


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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2017, 02:14:22 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2017, 10:54:29 AM »

King Cobra,

Aero before styling?
Looks more like a rear engined Italian supercar than a nascar!

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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2017, 12:00:52 PM »

Gotta agree......not pretty at all.
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2017, 12:30:12 PM »

Would you consider a ford talledega a necessary piece in an aero car collection? I know nothing about them but there is a white one for sale on hemmings. If i sold my 65 barracuda i could afford it, i just dont know their vslue or history. Then a 69 c500 in white i would have all 4 of the aero cars if talledega is part of the group.


Mike - You ever going to make a replica of the radical "aero" front end and bubble-back window 1971 B Body? (either Dodge or Plymouth version)
For those that don't know, the 'aero' versions started to drop the front over the wheel, continuing to front edge. It involver new fenders, hood and rad support.  The back glass ended well into the trunk lid. Too much $$ for re-tooling to even think about, but did lower the drag numbers!    

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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2017, 02:01:26 PM »

King Cobra,

Aero before styling?
Looks more like a rear engined Italian supercar than a nascar!



Actually, it is more a case of styling before aero.     That is one reason why it was slower than the Talladega.   
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2017, 02:23:50 PM »

King Cobra,

Aero before styling?
Looks more like a rear engined Italian supercar than a nascar!



Actually, it is more a case of styling before aero.     That is one reason why it was slower than the Talladega.   

Ford was adamant that NO HIGH FLYING WING would appear on the Ford.  Hence, severe oversteer in the corners during tests of the race version.
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2017, 05:02:49 PM »

I heard way too much front downforce also on the King cars
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2017, 05:38:37 PM »

I heard way too much front downforce also on the King cars
That's what I said...  cheers
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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2017, 09:33:10 PM »



Mike - You ever going to make a replica of the radical "aero" front end and bubble-back window 1971 B Body? (either Dodge or Plymouth version)
For those that don't know, the 'aero' versions started to drop the front over the wheel, continuing to front edge. It involver new fenders, hood and rad support.  The back glass ended well into the trunk lid. Too much $$ for re-tooling to even think about, but did lower the drag numbers!    




Greg, personally for myself No, but if commissioned by a customer, I'd have no issues with the fabrication end of the deal, the looks that would be generated however, it's slightly ungainly IMHO


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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2017, 09:35:44 PM »

The front end is keeping with "tradition" though


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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2017, 09:48:30 PM »

One thing most don't notice is the complete lack of any fender scoops on the 1971 3/8 scale aero test models, no mention, no intention for their use at all, which I found strange


However when I was fabricating the 71 Tona and Bird I knew there was no intention of using fender scoops after reading the Gseries wind tunnel test posted from 1970, but I felt the cars needed them, in keeping with "tradition" of the 69 and 70 models appearance, and not having them would bring into focus either awkward looks or questions as to WHY they're not present, not one person has ever commented on the "fact" that the 71's have fender scoops where there should be none?

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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2017, 07:46:03 AM »

I believe there is a black and white drawing of a side view with the 'aero' front that has a "non-standard" cone on it, in the G series aero study.
IIRC, the front starts to drop over the wheels, or maybe the illusion is because the base of the front glass is stretched forward, "cab forward Intrepid" style.

In any event, the wing is too tall, from a styling perspective.  That looks odd!

In the top photo, the front starts to droop over the wheels, IMO.   


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