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« on: March 02, 2017, 09:06:44 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2017, 09:10:41 PM »

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/found-last-wing-car/
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2017, 10:24:08 PM »

You guys told me it was fake when I shot it a few years ago.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hemipwr70/albums/72157642562292195/page3



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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2017, 11:20:17 PM »

I saw this a few years ago and it was believed to be dads car but maybe a 500. But after a lot of research and dissecting we proved it to be the 305.
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2017, 11:25:14 PM »

Ryan, Believe we said that there was not enough visible in your photos to make a determination.   Door bars in your photo are home built by Goober and Gomer.  You cannot go by paint on the body or holes in the tops of the quarters.  Or considering where you were visiting at the time. (Ask Bill how his deal with those guys worked out.)  

Back to the present.  The Al Rogers article is short on facts (as in none) as to how the car was determined to be "THE" car.  It's a pretty bold statement.   I seem to remember reading that Steve Atwell thought he had the 305 car (no, he doesn't).  

The car clearly is a 1969 Nichels chassis or a 68 updated with a 1969 dry sump K-frame.  The firewall and floor from the torsion bar crossmember forward is changed.  The interior cage is changed.  Under dash X brace and PITA bars are gone. The Nichels dash is gone.  None of these are deal breakers.   But they are not original thus make it harder to be tied to 1970 or '71 photos.  The red and gold body hanging on it is not likely original.   Those are the facts as I see them.  I know it's a real Nichels car.

Bill, I will respectfully ask.  What has been found to determine it is one of the Rossi cars?   And what makes it the 305?  


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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2017, 04:49:12 AM »

I looked at this car in 1995 at Jack McCoy's shop.  Took lots of photos of it just after the Magnum body was cut off.   Was offered the car for 25k.....with the Hemi.   I just wish I knew what I was looking at then.  All I knew is it had 68-70 B-body floors and rockers.   Bill, can I drive it on a race track?  You know...To return the favor..      Wink
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2017, 10:58:15 AM »

Yes sir you can. But only 55  smilielol smilielol smilielol
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2017, 02:41:52 PM »

Oh,  that is more than fine with me.   I get scared easily.
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2017, 03:48:25 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2017, 04:31:24 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2017, 05:42:35 PM »

Very cool find, looking forward to hearing about the details that pinpoint this car as the 305 chassis.  On a side note, it wasn't the last wing car,  I would think that title belongs to the Bettenhausen daytona.
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2017, 05:52:57 PM »

On a side note, it wasn't the last wing car,  I would think that title belongs to the Bettenhousen daytona.

Last wing car in NASCAR is the claim.    But to your point, what about 1972?     
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2017, 06:02:49 PM »

Ah, didn't see that before you pointed it out. It was the last in NASCAR.  Was there another wing car after the Betenhausen car was built? Trying to recall....
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2017, 06:14:48 PM »

Ah, didn't see that before you pointed it out. It was the last in NASCAR.  Was there another wing car after the Betenhausen car was built? Trying to recall....

Unser #5 Superbird was new for 1972.   In terms of build, the 305 would be an existing car carried over.     Bettenhausen was also an older car that got a wing and a front clip.    

But again, the claim is "last raced in NASCAR".    
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2017, 09:48:38 AM »

 Thats not the same car that was being built as a Bobby Allison  no. 22 car is it ?
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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2017, 12:48:10 PM »

Check out Hotrod.com

 pictures & article below by Al Rogers 2nd March 2017 ,  from  hotrod/ hotrodnetwork  in the above link


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