73/74 Rallye phasered stripes... once again!

[Nacho-RT74]

Well I'm here trying once again to get interest on the Rallye phasered stripes. By the moments just the red ones since are the only ones I have to take the right color shades.

Since EVER I have been trying this. Definitely is NOT POSIBLE to me at least use the original technique with silkscreen. Way too expensive to make the experiments without a prooved profit.

Phoenix Graphics has being selling these in US$300 ( initially they began selling in $400 ) plus shipping what long time ago I was able to afford but afraid about their product meeting my expectations. Fortunately I requested pics of their actual product what they sent me. Thanks God never bought. Definitely they are way away of what the original product it was. More related to the color shade than the manufacturing technique ( plotter printed ). Color shades are COMPLETELY incorrect!

So I also had to take a side my dream about being silkscreen and will be printed but the graphic designers I found are agreed on work together with me untill I get COMPLETELY satisfied!

I think the expected final price can be on around $240-280 SHIPPED. Using 3M engineering grade reflective sheeting.

I could in fact being able to offer just A SECTION of the stripe, without the need to get a full set if you get a damaged area on your car.

Who could be interested? Or if you know somebody interested?

[Chargerguy74]

I would be interested in a red set and a gold set. Good to know the Phoenix ones aren't correct. I've been contemplated buying a gold set from them to compare with my originals.

[Nacho-RT74]

I made a thread about that maybe couple of years ago and posted the pics

[Nacho-RT74]

Here is the pic they sent me side by side against a NOS one I have... totally incorrect color shades

[400sforever]

I'd be interested for sure. I've got that 77,000 original mile 74 white rallye with the the red reflective side stripes that needs a perfect set. There was a 74 white rallye clone on eBay for a while with those stripes but I never paid close attention to how his looked. I'm assuming he must have got those from performance car graphics.

[Nacho-RT74]

The only reproducer of those as far I know is Phoenix graphics

[400sforever]

Ya you are right, I just called performance car and they were thinking about making them but are not going to. I will have to go take some close up pictures of my originals to compare with what you have

[Nacho-RT74]

here the diff is noticeable between repro and original ( maybe a bit discolored ) on same body color... of course ligh will affect but still way diff

[Nacho-RT74]

and well even more noticable with this, probably car better storaged, so the red is darker of course

I have tried to get same body color comparision to save the optical ilusions

[400sforever]

Ya you are right, they are different. I will go see if I can get some pictures of mine

[Nacho-RT74]

here a more radical comparision

[Nacho-RT74]

of course, being printed will left a trace of the head printing, that can be sliiiiightly noticeable, but even the PG ones are on that way charging $300.

someday will get the funds to make them "silkscreened" like the original ones.]

I won't make these or offer them for sale untill get the matching color shades to the original ones I have in hands. That's a fact

[400sforever]

these are my stripes with the camera flash on

[400sforever]

flash still on camera

[400sforever]

no flash on these pictures. natural light

[400sforever]

no flash

[400sforever]

more..

[400sforever]

that black rallye looks like it has decent stripes on it. I wonder where those came from?

[Chargerguy74]

Damn I love your car.

Nacho, is the silk screen route possible? Any estimate on cost?

[400sforever]

What's the difference between silkscreen and the other printing method? I tried doing a close up of my stripes but it didn't turn out very good. The decal has a rough texture feel to it and almost looks like it's composed of very small little circular bumps

[74magnum]

As per our discussion... Im interested... Just iron out the details.

[Nacho-RT74]

The original printing pattern by small dots is given just right by the silkscreen technique. Just like the old newspapers. It can me emulated by the printer ink injection, but normally printers by ink injection are more "sweeping". That's why you can see the head trace on some printings.

Aside that silkscreen is made by color layers added one by one,
One at a time, while printing makes all colors at once on the sweep.

Ryan, make the first silkscreen set could reach maybe up to $2.5-3K because the tooling required. Is like make several photographies, one by each color to burn the silkscreen. Every piece requires 4 photographies. That makes 16 photographies in total THAT IS if the quarter section photographies can be made in one piece. Hardt to find the machine and sheets to that size. Locally at least.

Of course making maybe 15 stripes sets will be costly effective, but there is not guarantee about that

I have in fact the silkscreen bought! But that's the cheap part.
The photograph layers are the expensive part aside the color compositon job by graphic designer on each color.

I'm pretty sure this could work to every color because as far I have noticed the phasering is the same on all 3 colors available, just needing to decode the darker and the lighter color


The black car? Can't tell if is a survivor or restored what got a NOS set. Hard to find a NOS set in decent conditions able to be used. The NOS set I have was not posible. It is a bit shrunked and transfer paper glued too much

[Chargerguy74]

Yeah, I hear you on the NOS ones. I have all 3 NOS, but I don't think any will make their way onto a car as I don't know how well they'd stick.

2.5-3K is pretty pricey, but I'd rather pay that than 1/10th for the Phoenix stripes. But I also really like these Rallye stripes. Otherwise I'd just go black (and never go back :p). The key is producing stripes that look exactly like the originals, otherwise you'd just end up with more expensive Phoenix stripes. Back when I bought my NOS stripes I passed on a red set that sold for $900 USD (I think Phoenix were the ones who bought them). That price wasn't too out of line either. I think you'd be able to move a few sets in that ballpark. I know a guy that has factory V6R, V6Y, and V6K striped cars that would buy some.

[Nacho-RT74]

I'm not saying they would be rated on that price each, but just the first set. Then the tooling will be the same for each one. Maybe could be more close to $2K. I simply gave up for the moments on that dream.

[74magnum]

Nacho. Are all your pieces unusable or just some of them? How did they shrink?

[Nacho-RT74]

Yes, they are unusable.

I guess they get shrink by bad storaging under heat and humidity. Specially the door section

Sorry, I told 16 photographies... really is 32, 16 each side!

[Nacho-RT74]

Ok, just gave the aprovement to work on this to the graphic designer.

He is still working on get UV inks and UV clear coat for the stripe, but needs to be flexible. Dunno if will be able to get it here or will need to get it imported.

It seems Napa, O'Reillys, Amazon got good options for that.

[400sforever]

That sounds good. Hopefully they can make perfect ones!

[Nacho-RT74]

Updating. The graphic designer shop hasn't begun on the project because the owner wants his best graphic designer in his team working on it. He is getting back to job from his vacations next monday and he will assign this to him.

Otherwise I told him to use JUST UV inks, but test will be made on regular inks, althought even being UV they have some limited warranties.

I'm still working also on get the UV clear coat printed and not sprayed. The printer they have is GOOD ONE, Roland brand, but is not ready for the clear coat provision. He told me could get a friend with a newer printer ready for the clear coat cartridge.

[Chargerguy74]

That's good news.

[Nacho-RT74]

Working and making the corrections




Neither the screen or the print made shows the real colors yet. Just working on the colors phasering.

Still needing work. Specially the front section of fender.

[74magnum]

Man that's awesome... looking good. I'm dying to see what the final product looks like.

[Nacho-RT74]

well the screen and paper printing didn't show the real colors. The paper printing was laser so colors will never be the real ones

this are the first ink jet printing over a eny cheap vinyl we got around, once again still need lot of job... correct phasering and printing pattern, but colors are getting closer

I'm still worried about the printing pattern emulating the silkscreen finish. This is barelly a scale print just to show the big details to fix before go to the first real or bigger scale, so won't show the actual printing pattern



The ink was still fresh on the 1st 4 stripes row so thats why it shws like this on 1st and 4th stripes, but we didn't care because they were wrong anyway. 2nd 4 stripes rows are closer to the real colors



dark bloody red band needs to be reduced, orange/yellow band needs to be enlarged. Colr shades needs to be reduced too but overal getting closer. Next monday should be printing more samples

first 4 rows are closer to the V6K stripes, ( brownish/beige ), than to the V6R stripes... just the lighter color more "whitened" than yellowed. Once again, front fender section needs way more job.

[400sforever]

This is exciting to see! Finally someone is taking the time to do these right!

[Nacho-RT74]

I will be exciting just when I check the final result. So far so good we haven't found somebody with a printer able to print also the clear coat, althought there are lot of printers with UV inks around.

I'm not really sure if the clear coat is really necesary or if it was really used on the NOS stripes. Original Ink can be glossy giving like it got a clear coat layer.

allways take in mind this will be a REPRODUCTION...

[Nacho-RT74]

Can somebody take the measurement of the stripes installed on car from front to rear, without the borderline?

And how much of the stripes folds down the doors, quarter jam and fender.

I got an idea to work better on the colors phasering working in a continuous stripe line, instead piece by piece of the stripes. Specially because the fender since they get the wheel opening gap.

If in meters/centimeter, better.

Can be solid color stripe, no need for phasering. The deal here is just the distances mounted.

Remember, without the outer line.

[400sforever]

I will see what I can do for those measurements on my car unless someone beats me to it. I will have to work out the whole meter/ centimeter measuring thing since I don't have anything like that readily available!

[Chargerguy74]

25.4mm in an inch.
10mm in a cm.
100cm in a m.

For simplicity just measure in whatever units you can and post that.

[Nacho-RT74]

Maybe just the fender section could be enough... the deal is about get the gap between front and rear section of fender. On that way the phasering could be continued there and easier to match everything

[74magnum]

How's progress?

[Nacho-RT74]

I'm not satisfied yet... took more pics of some printing last week... but haven't posted because they are about the same than the ones printed and posted here, just on a bigger scale... but honestly I'm not satisfied yet. I'm going in an hour or so to check for more

[Nacho-RT74]

Sooo nobody with a Rallye stripe on car?

[Nacho-RT74]

 

[400sforever]

I should be able to measure my originals today. Do you want the measurements of each decal or just the overall length of them mounted on the car?

[Nacho-RT74]

need them mounted, that's the deal. Individually I have mines, but need to figure out the gap between both ( wheel opening ) to make a continuous phasering on colors, then fit the stripes there.

so far so good we didn't made a great progress untill yesterday. The guy working on the stripes is a very dedicated student but too young to know about the silscreen technique. He tried to match colors on screen but never considered seriouslly what I was telling him... the phasering on these stripes can't be made on continuous color sweep, but made by "halftones" like they were made with silscreen technique, where the size and gaps of the dots make the color intensity and the phasering sweep, but based in JUST 2 COLORS, the base yellow and  the dots pattern red but SAME red shadow from end to end... both are just 2 solid colors from end to end. Then also add the black dots to the darker shadows.

he was checking some videos at youtube about how to work on halftones and got some success with the experiments on this stripes ( on screen )

I'm hoping a faster progress on next days/weeks

[Nacho-RT74]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLbaU0BsPy8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByXg7JQ7uwY

[400sforever]

Finally got to do some measuring! Super sorry about the delay!! Hopefully these help some!

[400sforever]

I measured in the CENTER of the decal, I just drew my line on top of it. My bad!

[400sforever]

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[400sforever]

so the total length of the factory stripe if you include the part that wraps around the front fender edge is 148.9075 centimeters

[Nacho-RT74]

yeap, got it! somebody gave me around 58" plus 3/4" which is pretty much close to your numbers. I think he measured the center section of the stripe folding inside the fender and not the top area wich of course is slightly larger... but both measures are pretty much enough to set the wheel opening gap, unexistant on the full stripe area just to set the continuous phasering.

guys I can't promise you any good result. By know I'm still not satisfied with the work being made.

[400sforever]

I measured the center of the stripe as well I just didn't draw my diagram that way, I should have mentioned that!

[Nacho-RT74]

Nice... still quite close to a previous measure I got... so its a consistent measure! nice!

[EccentricMagpies]

Very cool.

Will Black be an option?   (reflective that is...)

[Nacho-RT74]

I’m working on the original reflective gradated ones... but.. if you want solid colors or reflective solid colors I can make them. Just never thought on that because you have manufacturers of those there. Maybe I can get them cheaper thought

[EccentricMagpies]

I'm working on the original reflective gradated ones... but.. if you want solid colors or reflective solid colors I can make them. Just never thought on that because you have manufacturers of those there. Maybe I can get them cheaper thought

Oh?  I guess I don't recall seeing black reflective on the market.  I would certainly be interested if they become available.  ( course that means I'd actually make some progress on my car.    )

[Nacho-RT74]

Performance car graphics offers those

[EccentricMagpies]

Performance car graphics offers those

Thank you sir !

I'll hold off until after the car actually gets new paint.

[Nacho-RT74]

Performance car graphics offers those

Thank you sir !

I'll hold off until after the car actually gets new paint.

http://www.performancecargraphics.com/Stripes_Lettering/Charger/73-74_Rallye_Mid.htm

set custom colors, click here

http://www.performancecargraphics.com/Stripes_Lettering/Vinyl_Color_Samples.htm

will find reflective black

a friend of mine made reflective black on his 74 Dart ( stripe was made locally )

[Nacho-RT74]

I can make it black reflective though... maybe cheaper than PCG