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Author Topic: Speaking of Superbird projects - RM23V0A166233  (Read 781 times)
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« on: October 31, 2017, 09:21:41 AM »

And its a 440+6 4-Speed to boot...too bad about the missing fender tag and broadcast sheet though.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Plymouth-Road-Runner-SUPERBIRD/182866832554

1970 A13 V Code 4 Speed Superbird “The Holy Grail Barnfind”

I am listing this and other Barnfind MOPARS for a family friend, these cars are not my own vehicles.
Please make an offer!
I will be listing other vehicles soon, the owners want to sell these vehicles from their extensive Mopar collection.


You are looking at what many people think today to be unheard of or not out there anymore.
 
To many in the Collector Car World, this is thought to be the Holy Grail of Collector Muscle Cars. Nascar, Aero, and the collector of the “Package Built” (A13) cars are just some of the few that jump at the chance to own one of these few remaining Wild Winged Mopars of the 60’s and 70’s!

This 1970 Plymouth Superbird is one of only 1,935 (Believed) total production, 832 Total 4 Speeds, and 716 V Code Six Pak. Of those 716 built this is one of only 304 V Code-4 Speeds ever offered. To sweeten the Low Production numbers even more, it is a factory High Impact Color FY1 Lemon Twist Yellow car. This is one of the remaining few in the world.

There is a FY1 V Code 4 Speed for sale on the internet right now for over $230K!  (And it’s a bench seat car!) You can own and build this car for a fraction of the cost!

This Amazing 1970 V Code Plymouth Superbird is was driven into the current owners garage/shop to start the restoration process in 1980 and it hasn't moved since!
The Superbird was disassembled to the point you see it in the pictures, new quarter panels, trunk floor, outer wheel houses and trunk floor extensions were all replaced. (It is unknown if these parts were NOS or reproduction) Unfortunately the Superbird wasn't always given proper storage. The Bird had been indoors until about 10 years ago when life happened and like most of us the owner needed room in the garage. A tarp was acquired as shelter and the Bird was moved out to the driveway. The body does and some parts have scaly rust and a few places are rusted through, but nothing that cannot be fixed. You should assume that you will have to work on or replace even the panels that were previously replaced.

75% of the original FY1 Lemon Twist Paint is still covering the original panels. The front fenders as with the nose cone are almost rust free and exceptional as are the drivers and passenger doors. The rockers, front and rear frame rails and cross members are all in wonderful
condition. Part of the front drivers side floor was removed because of small pinholes but the entire area was removed to be done the right way. this is where the owner stopped working on the Superbird because of other projects (A few V Code E Body Challengers that will be for sale on eBay and listed at later dates) and like everyone else, money.
Being that this car was never abused or butchered and was never in an accident it really is an great starting point to owning one of the elite few remaining Superbirds in the world!

The main parts that make this Superbird what it is are all accounted for and in amazing condition. The Wing, supports, nose cone and headlight components, grille insert and surround, fenders, hood, fender scoops, etc. all all there. The only big part that needs to be sourced on this original Superbird is the Nose Cone Spoiler, unfortunately it isn't known if it was removed from the car in 1980 or if it was missing prior to disassembly. Optioned with 15”x 7” Rally Road Wheels and Goodyear Wide Oval OWL Tires this Bird definitely has the right looks and options to be that “Ultimate Investment Grade Mopar” everyone is looking for and no one can find or if they do find it the owner will not sell it.

This car is as stated earlier a factory FY1 Lemon Twist Yellow car with a TX9 black bucket seat interior with a console shifted 18 Spline Hemi 4 Speed. The seats are not the original to the car and may have gone into another car in the 80’s but included are a pair of bucket seats and a back seat from a 1970 Dodge Charger. they are in nice shape and will be perfect after the old covers are removed and the frames and tracks are cleaned up. There is not a Tic-Toc-Tach in the Rally Dash which is complete and the soft parts should clean up fairly well. The interior is complete and original except for the bucket seats. The original steering wheel and 4 Speed column and pedal assembly are all still in place as is the original 4 Speed hump in the floor tunnel. The dashboard and heater box have never been removed from the car.
You should assume that everything on the interior will need to be replaced or restored.

Unfortunately as has happened to all too many Mopar collector cars in the 70’s and 80’s, the Fender Tag was removed and misplaced decades ago and have had no luck finding it or a Broadcast Sheet and do not know if they were removed prior to disassembly in 1980.
(We DO NOT have the Fender Tag or Broadcast Production Sheet-If you are lucky there may be a Broadcast Sheet under the dash and or behind the heater box. PLEASE DO NOT ASK - I WILL NOT REMOVE ANYTHING TO FIND A BROADCAST SHEET… PERIOD. that will be the new owners quest.)

The HP440 engine and Six Pak set up that come with the Superbird were in the car when it was disassembled in 1980. This motor is equipped with Six Pack Connecting Rods and Balancer. The Six Pak - Trio of Holley Carburetors - is believed to be correct 4 Speed 1970 pieces. The Carbs, air cleaner base plate and lid are believed to be original to the car. The owner believes the motor to have been in the car from a very early age as an unmarked warranty replacement block that was never stamped with a VIN number. The engine block has a correct date of May-22-1969, as all Plymouth Superbirds were manufactured prior to January of 1970. 

This engine by most Collectors/Restoration Shops definition is 100% expectable and almost as good as the original engine the Bird came with from the factory. The motor was strong running prior to being plucked from the Superbird but a correct rebuild and complete teardown was planned. Everything else that should be on the motor is there, including the original HP High Flow Exhaust Manifolds.

The 18 Spline Hemi 4 Speed Transmission and Dana 60 rear differential are believed to be original to the car and are included in the sale of the Superbird. The Dana 60 has not been removed from the car and is still in place as is all of the original front suspension and factory front disc brakes.

This is a PROJECT car, but none the less a real Deal 1970 Plymouth Road Runner Superbird with a CLEAR Title. This is an opportunity that does not come along but possibly once in a lifetime for most of us!

Do not Snooze or you will absolutely Loose!
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2017, 10:15:07 AM »

Nice car, but 'Holy Grail' I'm not so sure?

440 Six-pack was not a Nascar option or a dana, Hemi with an 8 3/4, a better option methinks.

Yep I've toyed with the idea of removing my dana from my 4-speed C500 to make her more Nascar, but then it wouldn't be factory correct?
$90,000 for a complete (wreck) resto, is a lot of money for most Folks, so why are much rarer C500's selling for less than that restored??? Cry

Oh well, try bolting a wing and nose on a 'ONE of 392' C500's and it still won't make them staggering prices... slap

Should have bought a Winger when no one wanted them, back in the 80's USA and 90's UK... brickwall
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2017, 11:08:34 AM »

Wow another one back in the game with a chance of getting rebuilt.
I almost passed out looking at the rear window sitting on the windshield being held up with the wiper posts.  slap
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2017, 11:25:31 AM »

I posted my comments on the FB post but I think the seller missed the boat on marketing this car....It looks like they simply pulled the black tarp back that is still laying next to the car and drug out the pieces for pics. I think if they had simply invested a weekend of work cleaning all of the leaves and crap out of the car, bolted the pieces back together and put the engine/trans back in, they could have advertised it as a "barn find" or some other currently trendy catchphrase but they would of had pics of a complete bird with a nose and wing (even just held in place with tie-wraps and bubblegum) that would certainly get more attention than piles of parts that can be put back together to make a Superbird. I would guess that if this car were all bolted back together (if the engine ran even better) it might fetch as high as $75K but as it sits $50K - $60K tops. Nice ad but IMO a lazy flipper/seller...and why is there an electric headlight motor laying between the headlight buckets like it goes to the car?
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2017, 05:13:12 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2017, 05:37:21 PM »

and why is there an electric headlight motor laying between the headlight buckets like it goes to the car?


It's the wiper motor...

That said, if they think they can get $90K for this then what can I get for mine driving??  icon_smile_big
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2017, 04:56:08 PM »

and why is there an electric headlight motor laying between the headlight buckets like it goes to the car?


It's the wiper motor...

That said, if they think they can get $90K for this then what can I get for mine driving??  icon_smile_big

I disagree, I still say it's an electric headlight motor identical to the one I just sold for a 68 Chrysler 300. This guy doesn't know what he has or how to sell it....
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2017, 05:24:06 PM »

and why is there an electric headlight motor laying between the headlight buckets like it goes to the car?


It's the wiper motor...

That said, if they think they can get $90K for this then what can I get for mine driving??  icon_smile_big

I’ll give you 95k if you deliver it to London and you can fly my Cessna 140 home. icon_smile_big
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2017, 05:50:34 PM »

and why is there an electric headlight motor laying between the headlight buckets like it goes to the car?


It's the wiper motor...

That said, if they think they can get $90K for this then what can I get for mine driving??  icon_smile_big

I disagree, I still say it's an electric headlight motor identical to the one I just sold for a 68 Chrysler 300. This guy doesn't know what he has or how to sell it....

yea, looks like a 70's headlight motor to me as well....note the knob on the end
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2017, 06:10:30 PM »

Yep..sorry, I looked at the full size pictures and you are correct! Headlight motor..
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2017, 05:07:29 AM »

yup 70 charger headlamp motor 


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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2017, 07:54:28 AM »

In the end doesn't this just become a non numbers matching replica with all the aftermarket parts required.  An expensive one at that?
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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2017, 03:19:58 PM »

Let's say someone buys it for $75000. I'm no expert but it would cost roughy $100000 to have it restored. So you have $175 k into it without the original engine. Would it be worth more than that being a V code 4 speed?
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2017, 04:19:27 PM »

It is pretty cool to see the original wing just tossed in the trunk like that.
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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2017, 05:07:42 PM »

Let's say someone buys it for $75000. I'm no expert but it would cost roughy $100000 to have it restored. So you have $175 k into it without the original engine. Would it be worth more than that being a V code 4 speed?

Certainly not.    But at the buy-in price (which is usually more then we think it will sell for),  a person is "buying the dream" of one day having a restored Superbird.      Because of the demand at the lower end to get in the game, it's rarely as simple as taking the restored value, subtracting your estimated costs and arriving at your desired price.     Certainly it's a starting point, but pricing on projects is rarely A + B = C.   
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2017, 05:13:09 PM »

In the end doesn't this just become a non numbers matching replica with all the aftermarket parts required.  An expensive one at that?

No, because at the end of the day, it's still a real 6 bbl, 4 speed Superbird.   That part is not in dispute.   Most of the big chunks are there.   The lack of a tag or build sheet hurts some, but when found in the raw like this, there isn't much to hide.    So, properly restored, maybe it's worth 20% less.   But no big deal.     
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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2017, 07:40:07 PM »

In the end doesn't this just become a non numbers matching replica with all the aftermarket parts required.  An expensive one at that?

Yup, its defiantly just an old yeller roadrunner with a wing!
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2017, 10:35:06 PM »

The ebay seller showed up on Moparts and said the car sold for $85k.

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