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Author Topic: Tanks Inc install - 68 Charger (added parts list)  (Read 10879 times)
ncmiller1
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« on: February 07, 2018, 03:49:30 AM »

I finally finished re-doing my entire fuel system front to back, including a new tank, in-tank pump, fuel lines, and Fitech 30002 unit (Go EFI 4 600HP).  

In case they help anyone, here are my measurements for the new "Tanks Inc" in-tank pump and sender install (in picture form).

By all means use these as a reference, but verify your own measurements.





* Pump 00 - Schematic.jpg (277.72 KB, 735x1306 - viewed 2251 times.)

* Pump 01 - Contents.jpg (356.56 KB, 735x1306 - viewed 2122 times.)

* Pump 02 - Depth (Edit).JPG (56.95 KB, 727x856 - viewed 2134 times.)

* Pump 03 - Height (Edit).JPG (63.99 KB, 672x742 - viewed 2165 times.)

* Pump 05 - Line Length (Edit).JPG (97.6 KB, 630x854 - viewed 2147 times.)

* Pump 06 - Complete.jpg (295.29 KB, 735x1306 - viewed 2127 times.)

* Pump 07 - Inside Tank.jpg (178.53 KB, 735x1306 - viewed 2120 times.)
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2018, 03:50:50 AM »

And for the sender:



* Sender 00 - Schematic.JPG (96.05 KB, 883x871 - viewed 2137 times.)

* Sender 01 - Contents.jpg (327.85 KB, 735x1306 - viewed 2124 times.)

* Sender 02 - Depth (Edit).JPG (53.39 KB, 691x786 - viewed 2114 times.)

* Sender 03 - Rheostat Depth (Edit).JPG (79.58 KB, 620x853 - viewed 2067 times.)

* Sender 04 - Rheostat Length (Edit).JPG (59.3 KB, 503x810 - viewed 2119 times.)

* Sender 05 - Float Height (Edit).JPG (114.52 KB, 782x780 - viewed 2120 times.)

* Sender 06 - Float Lengths (Edit).JPG (84.35 KB, 624x859 - viewed 2111 times.)
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2018, 06:56:17 AM »

This is great documentation of your install.  It should make it much faster for others to just verify your measurements and follow your pictures.       2thumbs
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2018, 07:01:57 AM »

I'm not sure it matters, but I will point out that you listed the tank depth as 6-9/16".   Half of 6-9/16" is 3-9/32".   Your drawing shows it as 3-7/16".    As I said, I doubt this matters a lot because that is probably close enough.   Not trying to be a jerk and look for mistakes, Just wanted to point that out in case it was an issue.    Good work   2thumbs
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2018, 07:36:27 AM »

    Nice work and info, I am just about to place a order for tank and pump and this helps a lot. Question is where did you wire the pump power supply? 
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2018, 04:36:59 PM »

that was great info  !!!!!thanks
i just got mine two days ago for my 68 but with the -6 pump
that is going to help us a lot
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2018, 06:38:44 PM »

I'm not sure it matters, but I will point out that you listed the tank depth as 6-9/16".   Half of 6-9/16" is 3-9/32".   Your drawing shows it as 3-7/16".    As I said, I doubt this matters a lot because that is probably close enough.   Not trying to be a jerk and look for mistakes, Just wanted to point that out in case it was an issue.    Good work   2thumbs

Good catch! You are absolutely right, I'm not sure if I just rounded it or spaced it completely.

Update: it looks like that measurement is half the tank depth + 1/8", and then I rounded to the closest sixteenth.
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2018, 06:43:48 PM »

    Nice work and info, I am just about to place a order for tank and pump and this helps a lot. Question is where did you wire the pump power supply? 

I re-wired the entire car with a Ron Francis kit, which actually had a specific "Fuel pump" circuit on it, but beyond that I also put in a Fitech EFI unit which has a wire used to power the fuel pump directly from the CPU (it will control the voltage to the pump so it isn't running at full speed when unnecessary).
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2018, 12:56:37 PM »

Nice write up!   2thumbs

This will come in handy later for a few of us I'm sure. Can we sticky this?
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2018, 06:50:45 AM »

To keep adding to this thread, here is a list of all the parts and fittings I used to get from the new Tanks Inc fuel pump all the way to the Fitech unit (as well as a terribly drawn picture).  Other than standard tools I bought a cheap tubing bender that seemed to do the trick when I needed it (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-900675).

There are probably better ways to to plumb up the fuel system, but if this can help someone from buying a lot of wrong parts and spending too much on shipping five too many times, great!

1.) SUM-220647B (x2) - Fitting, Straight, Male -6 AN to Male 1/4 in. NPT   
                   https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-220647b
2.) SUM-220690B (x8) - Fitting, Hose End, Straight, -6 AN Hose to Female -6 AN   
                   https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-220690b
3.) SUM-2200077B (x4) - Fitting, Tube Adapter, Straight, Male -6 AN to 3/8 in. Tubing   
                   https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-2200077b
4.) VPE-11976 - Hose, Flexible Race, Braided Nylon, Black, -6 AN, 20 ft. Length   
                   https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vpe-11976
5.) 3600ST - Edelmann Spiral Wrapped Steel Tubing - 3/8"; 25ft    
                   https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/edelmann-3479/hardware---fasteners-16585/brass-fittings-16690/spiral-wrapped-steel-tubing-19294/edelmann-spiral-wrapped-steel-tubing/3600st/4290838?q=3600st
6.) SUM-230102 - Fuel Filter, Inline Mount, Aluminum, Black, 40 Microns, -6 AN Male Inlet/Outlet   
                   https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-230102
7.) RUS-670343 - Fitting, Fuel Pressure Take Off, -6 AN Male to -6 AN Female, 1/8 in. NPT Gauge Port   
                   https://www.summitracing.com/parts/rus-670343
8.) SUM-800199 - Gauge, Fuel Pressure, 0-100 psi, 1 1/2 in., Analog, Mechanical   
                   https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-800199
9.) SUM-2200075B (x2) - Fitting, Hose End, Tube Adapter, Straight, Female -6 AN Hose to 3/8 in. Tubing   
                   https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-2200075b
10.) EAR-977606ERL - Fuel Fitting, Aluminum Adapter, 6 AN Male To 0.5625 in. Banjo   
                   https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ear-977606erl
11.) EAR-SS997594ERL - Banjo Bolt 9/16"24 SS   
                   https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ear-ss997594erl
12.) VPE-11520 - Fitting, -6AN Male Banjo Fitting 10mm x 1.0 Metric ***INCORRECT THREAD; ONLY USED BANJO FITTING***   
                   https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vpe-11520
13.) RUS-R40514C - Fitting, Brake, Banjo Bolt, Straight, 10mm - 1.25, Steel   
                   https://www.summitracing.com/parts/rus-r40514c




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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2018, 09:53:09 AM »

Where did you mount your main and return lines? 
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2018, 09:35:23 PM »

Where did you mount your main and return lines? 


I ran them from the tank, up and over the axle/exhaust in the passenger wheel-well, then along the inside passenger side frame rail.  Since I have sub frame connectors I had to slightly widen a hole in the torsion bar cross member next to the torsion bar support to run the two 3/8" steel hard lines through, and finally terminated the hard lines in the engine bay 4-6" below the blower motor. 

I know i'm breaking the cardinal rule by not posting pictures, so I will try to get some up next weekend showing where I routed the new lines.


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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2018, 12:10:59 PM »

Was this an EFI specific tank you installed? I modified a standard tank with no baffles to accept the in tank pump. No issues until I plant the throttle pedal, then the pump sucks air if there is less than 3/4 of a tank of fuel. The EFI system coughs due to low fuel pressure. If this is an EFI tank any chance you can get a pic of the internal baffles they used?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BfrcCHBBRru/?taken-by=pulverizerv
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2018, 05:52:02 PM »

Was this an EFI specific tank you installed? I modified a standard tank with no baffles to accept the in tank pump. No issues until I plant the throttle pedal, then the pump sucks air if there is less than 3/4 of a tank of fuel. The EFI system coughs due to low fuel pressure. If this is an EFI tank any chance you can get a pic of the internal baffles they used?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BfrcCHBBRru/?taken-by=pulverizerv

I put in the Tanks inc tank made specifically for an in-tank EFI pump:
(http://www.tanksinc.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=484/category_id=68/mode=prod/prd484.htm)

Installation was easy, and I have no complaints.  I tried to take pictures of the baffles before installation but couldn't get anything decent, so I'll attach some I found on google below.  Tanks inc essentially welds in a tub where the fuel pump sits with two holes in the bottom corners to allow fuel in and out, but it keeps the fuel from sloshing away from the pump inlet during sharp turns.



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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2018, 08:31:47 PM »

Thanks for the pics ! Didn't think it would be such a simple system of baffles. I have seen much more complicated systems on some tanks. One way doors, multiple baffle walls... etc. Wonder if this would solve my fuel starvation issue?
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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2018, 05:08:55 PM »

Thanks for the pics ! Didn't think it would be such a simple system of baffles. I have seen much more complicated systems on some tanks. One way doors, multiple baffle walls... etc. Wonder if this would solve my fuel starvation issue?

I think it would definitely help. I bought the tank, pump, sender, and straps as a kit from summit (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/tnk-tcr9a-t-kit), but you can buy the tank alone for a little over $200.  It's powder coated too, which is nice.

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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2018, 12:50:07 PM »

Outstanding write up and details!! Also parts list is great with map of system. Thank YOU!! About to order the Tanks Inc. for my Sniper EFI setup. Your info will make my install much easier cheers
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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2018, 08:10:40 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2018, 08:54:28 AM »

I would highly recommend to check if the fuel sending unit works before mounting it to the tank and fixing the tank to the car, as I did  brickwall
After all I realized the sending unit doesen´t work. Now I have to uninstall all of it again to check the sending unit.


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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2018, 11:05:26 AM »

I'm picturing my stock block with the opening for the stock fuel pump to access the camshaft.

Maybe I missed it....what did you use to cover that pump opening no longer in use?  Simple plate of some kind, with gasket?
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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2018, 11:09:23 AM »

I'm picturing my stock block with the opening for the stock fuel pump to access the camshaft.

Maybe I missed it....what did you use to cover that pump opening no longer in use?  Simple plate of some kind, with gasket?

That's what I did. Available at your favorite auto parts store!


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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2019, 07:54:06 PM »

I'm installing a Tanks inc. setup now so I thought I would bump this topic back to the top since it is such a good documentation of how to install.     2thumbs
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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2019, 11:04:17 AM »

What is everyone doing about the vent for the Tanks inc. setup.  The vent needs to be higher than the fill cap, but this would put the vent inside the pillar and that is a hazzard for potential gas fumes inside the car.   Please explain what you guys have done on your vents.  Thanks, Clark. 
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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2019, 12:24:20 PM »

What is everyone doing about the vent for the Tanks inc. setup.  The vent needs to be higher than the fill cap, but this would put the vent inside the pillar and that is a hazzard for potential gas fumes inside the car.   Please explain what you guys have done on your vents.  Thanks, Clark.  

Mine is hanging in the wheel well at the moment, but eventually, I'm going to join it to the vent that  protrudes down through the trunk floor, and vents to the fuel door.

Gonna see how it works there.
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2019, 01:06:19 AM »

I plugged both vent holes on the tank, still using the original vent on the filler tube (going down to the frame)
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