Dodge Charger vehicle weight over the years

[odcics2]

I had a 68 - 318, 904, PS, radio. no other options. 
Weighed 3307.

Had a 74 SE, 318, 727, A/C, PS, PB, radio.
It weighed 3850.

Be interesting to hear about other years and engine, option, combinations...

[richf]

That's interesting, my 68 is pretty much the same but I've never had a chance to weigh it. I always assumed it weighed 3600-3700 lbs

[Ghoste]

My 69 RT is just under two tons.

[RECHRGD]

I'm curious about my '68.  Not sure that the 440 is much more than a stock 318 because of the aluminum heads and intake.  Still think it would come in around 3,700 or 3,800 with the larger than stock wheels and tires...  I'll get it weighed this spring.

[68pplcharger]

need to have mine weighed for sure. The only thing on my 440 that is cast iron is the block. lost about 100lbs with the rear end set up but gained about 75 with the roll cage. also lost 4 gillion lbs with the fiberglass hood.

to the scale this spring I go... 

[Kern Dog]

I weighed mine in 2000, then 2002. 1970 Charger, 318-904-8.25 axle with 4 wheel 10" drums. 3650. Later with a iron head 440-727-8.75 and 11" front discs, I was at 3850. Since then I have changed to aluminum heads but then added torque boxes, subframe connectors, gussets to the K member and lower control arms. I went with lighter seats but then moved the battery to the trunk. The longer wiring and cables added weight. I do wonder if am under 4000 lbs as it sits now.

[Mike DC]

I had a 68 - 318, 904, PS, radio. no other options.  
Weighed 3307.

I weighed mine in 2000, then 2002. 1970 Charger, 318-904-8.25 axle with 4 wheel 10" drums. 3650.

Same drivetrain, 350 lbs difference.  

The numbers for 2nd-gens are always all over the place.  

[odcics2]

1970 has more weight because of the loop bumper and electric motor, but not that much!
I did a have Ansen wheels...

I think my weight was on the light side.   Scales were off??  This was back in 1974, when I weighed it.

Need more guys to chime in.

Any more guys with 73 -74s?   Wondering if my 74 SE weight was accurate now...

[davidcam69]

My dad took his new 69 R/T ( 440 auto on the column, rear defrost, F70 14 dog dish wheel, power steering, non air, heavy duty cooling, with full tank of gas and spare tire) to a grain elevator and it weighed 3900 something.  It was just a few lbs under 4k. I have the grain ticket some where. I just finished with the resto this summer.  It now has a 4 spd and frame connectors.  It will be interesting to see what it weighs now.    Also disk brakes.

[Kern Dog]

I had a 68 - 318, 904, PS, radio. no other options.  
Weighed 3307.

I weighed mine in 2000, then 2002. 1970 Charger, 318-904-8.25 axle with 4 wheel 10" drums. 3650.

Same drivetrain, 350 lbs difference.  

The numbers for 2nd-gens are always all over the place.  

My 1970 is originally a 500 model. It had factory A/C, P/S, bucket seats, console, AM radio and a vinyl top.

[odcics2]

Wonder what the entire AC system weight, including the evaporator inside the car?   

[Bronzedodge]

As soon as it stops raining cats and dogs I can estimate that, as I have a spare AC box and a few dead compressors around.  I can tell you that the box weight is substantial, assembled with all the actuators, internal valve, evap, core, etc.

[odcics2]

As soon as it stops raining cats and dogs I can estimate that, as I have a spare AC box and a few dead compressors around.  I can tell you that the box weight is substantial, assembled with all the actuators, internal valve, evap, core, etc.

Cool. Wound be good info for all to know, if deciding to lighten a car by deleting it all.
Thanks, in advance. 

[brad mcintyre]

my 66 383 was 3750 bigger wheels probably 4000

[6pkrtse]

My 70 R/T S.E. loaded with options weighs 4290 with a 1/4 tank of gas and me not in it on our certified race car scales. Yes, it is a heavy weight. All those options add up.

[Kern Dog]

Posting the weight with the driver in it is good for drag racing purposes but it helps to know what the driver weighs! I am 195, my Brother in Law is 135. 

[Mike DC]

My 70 R/T S.E. loaded with options weighs 4290 with a 1/4 tank of gas and me not in it on our certified race car scales. Yes, it is a heavy weight. All those options add up.

Now we're up to 1000-lb difference between two 2nd-gens in this thread.  


A 318/904 versus a 440/727/AC . . . I doubt that is more than 250 lbs of difference in the drivetrain.  Power steering on both.  

Where is the rest of it?   The rest of the AC system might add 100 lbs over a heater-only.  The '70 bumper & electric headlight door motor, the power brake booster, that might be another 100 lbs total.  


I still see a 500-lb discrepancy here.  Aluminum rocker trim & leather seat inserts don't cover it.  

[c00nhunterjoe]

A 3300 pound 69 charger that is not a dedicated drag car is going to be pretty tough to verify. 3800-4200 is accurate

[Homerr]

Don't forget all the Bondo that gets added over the years.

[6pkrtse]

My 70 R/T S.E. loaded with options weighs 4290 with a 1/4 tank of gas and me not in it on our certified race car scales. Yes, it is a heavy weight. All those options add up.

Now we're up to 1000-lb difference between two 2nd-gens in this thread.  


A 318/904 versus a 440/727/AC . . . I doubt that is more than 250 lbs of difference in the drivetrain.  Power steering on both.  

Where is the rest of it?   The rest of the AC system might add 100 lbs over a heater-only.  The '70 bumper & electric headlight door motor, the power brake booster, that might be another 100 lbs total.  


I still see a 500-lb discrepancy here.  Aluminum rocker trim & leather seat inserts don't cover it.  

That is what our scales showed. Matched the weights with race track scale on buddies other cars. Mine also has factory rear defrost, trailer hitch (now not on car), luggage rack (now not on car), power windows, 6 way seat, power steering with cooler,  power disc brakes, cruise control, front bumperettes with that huge steel horizontal cross bar, hood pins, hood turn signals, hood pad, 26" radiator,  California emissions (still on car), factory spare and all factory jack and hardware in trunk. Of course this was with Cragar wheels and 15x10's on the rear. Those wheels aren't light either. Oh yeah, Door edge guards, wheel lip mouldings also. See, it all adds up.

[Mike DC]

  
One of the surviving TV General Lees was weighed by a car magazine a few years ago.  Only 3700 lbs.    

That's a nearly stock '69 with 440/727/8.75, power steering, and AC.  There was no spare tire/jack but the GL pushbar and rollbar would add about 80 lbs.  The only other factor removing weight would be alloy wheels.  The AC compressor & HVAC dash assy were still there.  Full interior except for the headrests & carpet.

[F8-4life]

Anyone know much lighter is a 68-70 roadrunner is, compared to a similar charger or super bee?

[Kern Dog]

I'm going to change the A/C in my 70 from a factory style to an all electric Classic Auto Air setup. The water pump housing will now be aluminum. I'm curious about how the car's weight will be different. The stock HVAC box looks much bigger than the CAA unit. I'll weigh the car before and after to know for sure.
The heat and air has not worked in all of the time that I have had the car. I had felt that it was not necessary in a car that I drove so infrequently...BUT maybe with a functional heat and air system, maybe I'll drive it more ?
An a similar note...
Steve Dulcich once wrote an article about a 71 Satellite he had, 383 car that was a real basic model. No A/C, crank windows, bench seat...He listed it as under 3400 lbs. I was under the impression that the 71-74 B body cars weighed more than the 68-70 even though they were shorter, slightly smaller cars.

[VegasCharger]

.....I was under the impression that the 71-74 B body cars weighed more than the 68-70 even though they were shorter, slightly smaller cars.

Shorter yes, but weren't they wider? 

[Kern Dog]

They could be. They look like they are, sorta like seeing your high school crush at the 30 year reunion. In High School she looked like the 68-70. At the reunion she looks like the 71-74.   

[Mike DC]

I'm going to change the A/C in my 70 from a factory style to an all electric Classic Auto Air setup. The water pump housing will now be aluminum. I'm curious about how the car's weight will be different. The stock HVAC box looks much bigger than the CAA unit. I'll weigh the car before and after to know for sure.
The heat and air has not worked in all of the time that I have had the car. I had felt that it was not necessary in a car that I drove so infrequently...BUT maybe with a functional heat and air system, maybe I'll drive it more ?
An a similar note...

BTW if you're going to have that 2nd-gen HVAC box for sale any time soon then I'm interested. 

[matthompson]

I drove my Charger on the scales a few years ago. 69 with 318, 727, 8 3/4 rear, full interior, full tank, & fully undercoated on both sides of the floors ( under the car & inside). Roll bar & wide push barfor the General Lee parts, & the aluminum rims. It came up to 3760 lbs.
I don't have any of the A/C stuff in my car though.

[odcics2]

The guys on the C Body site are posting weights for a Fury.
One guy posted the AMA specs. Even shows front/rear weights.
Check out the options.  A 318 to a 440 is about 232 pounds.

[DixieRestoParts]

Wow, those big cars weighed less than I would have guessed.

[brad mcintyre]

i would have guessed 1st gen.would have been heaver than 2nd gen

[c00nhunterjoe]

Just scaled my car tonight. 69, 440 with alum heads, intake, water pump housing. Elec water pump. 22" alum rad. Headers into 18" collectors. No further exhaust. Standard 727. Dana 60. Stock suspension, factory aluminum manual steering box, disc front, large drums on rear. 2x3 .083 box frame connectors. Full interior with factory sound deadner. Aftermarket front seats, estimated 10 lbs lighter then stock. No heater box. 12 gallon plastic fuel cell. 15x7 vectors on front with 205/75. 15x10 vector rear with lightweight 30x9 slicks. Weight was taken with 0 fuel in cell.

[Kern Dog]

I understand the numbers but the words are hard to read/understand. Is the first number with no fuel, then with 5 gallons? That  much fuel weighs 31 pounds?
Is that word "Driver?"

[JR]

Yup. Gasoline weighs between 6 to 6.5 pounds per gallon.

A full (19 gallon) tank of fuel would weigh around 120 lbs.

Which means coonhunterjoes car would weigh 4100lbs wet with a stock fuel tank.

B bodies are heavy. I'd expect most second gens with their cast iron heads/intakes/water pumps and exhaust manifolds to weigh over 4200 lbs with driver fairly easily.

[c00nhunterjoe]

Yes, with all of the missing stock parts, mine is 3720 with no fuel, 5 gallons of fuel and my fat carcass brings my race weight to 4011 lbs

[odcics2]

1969 Nascar stock cars weighed a minimum of 3,900.  (including a Daytona)

Race hemi - 4 speed iron case, full cage, reinforced heavy duty race suspension, tire/wheel assys of 75# each, 22 gallon fuel cell. Lots of 14 ga. used under the cars for strength.

Most cars came under the weights and needed lead to bring the weight up!

[c00nhunterjoe]

If my car had the stock seats, 906 heads, stock intake, radiator, heater box and components, it would easily weigh over 3900 lbs without a driver.

[Challenger340]

I am going to weigh my '69 R/T SE as soon as the weather allows, and then dig this thread back up.   

It's all stock original and unaltered, even the dam Exhaust System still factory, so it might be a good barometer ? but beforehand I am guessing 3850 W/no driver.

[c00nhunterjoe]

I am going to weigh my '69 R/T SE as soon as the weather allows, and then dig this thread back up.   

It's all stock original and unaltered, even the dam Exhaust System still factory, so it might be a good barometer ? but beforehand I am guessing 3850 W/no driver.

We should take bets on it. I will take 3950.

[cdr]

It's a none AC car , so I am gonna say 3892 w/o driver 

[odcics2]

AMA specs for 1971.

[odcics2]

No comments on how light a 318 base model can be??   

3400!!!!!!!!!!

[metallicareload99]

I don't really believe those AMA numbers. And I think any 2nd generation Charger below 3600 must be pretty stripped down, a lot of glass body parts, lexan instead of glass, small block, no heater, etc.

I weighed my car in two configurations on a scale with 20 lbs resolution:
- 1968 XP Charger, 440 aluminum heads, intake, water pump and housing, manual steering, no A/C, manual 4 wheel discs, A-833 with iron bellhousing, Dana 60, XHD leaf springs, subframe connectors and torque boxes, full tank of gas without driver

3810 to 3820 lbs

First time I weighed it was with iron heads and it was only 20-40 pounds heavier. That was the only real difference from the above mentioned configuration. Needless to say, I was disappointed by the weight loss with aluminum heads

[alfaitalia]

Something wrong there surely.....I've not weighed a steel head against an alloy one....but it feels like a huge difference in weight. Maybe my arm scales need recalibrating!

[odcics2]

I don't really believe those AMA numbers. And I think any 2nd generation Charger below 3600 must be pretty stripped down, a lot of glass body parts, lexan instead of glass, small block, no heater, etc.

I weighed my car in two configurations on a scale with 20 lbs resolution:
- 1968 XP Charger, 440 aluminum heads, intake, water pump and housing, manual steering, no A/C, manual 4 wheel discs, A-833 with iron bellhousing, Dana 60, XHD leaf springs, subframe connectors and torque boxes, full tank of gas without driver

3810 to 3820 lbs

First time I weighed it was with iron heads and it was only 20-40 pounds heavier. That was the only real difference from the above mentioned configuration. Needless to say, I was disappointed by the weight loss with aluminum heads

I watched guys weighting stuff to come up with AMA numbers. Why would anyone lie about it?  This isn't  Washington, DC. !  lol..

Anyways, the 1971 3rd generation numbers I posted are very well in line with the 2nd generation figures you gave.  Keep in mind how much gas weights!

[metallicareload99]

I watched guys weighting stuff to come up with AMA numbers. Why would anyone lie about it?  This isn't  Washington, DC. !  lol..

Anyways, the 1971 3rd generation numbers I posted are very well in line with the 2nd generation figures you gave.  Keep in mind how much gas weights!

Yeah? The C-Body stuff still doesn't sound right to me, but if they actually weighed em, how can I argue with that? Further I can kinda of see their methods in that the weights of the cars is apparently for a very basic stripped down car. They then list the additional weight of the options which you add to the basic weight. Some of those options would be almost universally equipped.

I'm still kind of at a loss as to why my car weighs so much. I suppose it has to do with the iron bellhousing, Dana 60 and the chassis reinforcement

[Mike DC]

   
The Dana 60 is right about 50 lbs heavier than an 8.75 rear.  I recall a magazine article weighing both one time. 

[Kern Dog]

I weighed mine in 2000, then 2002. 1970 Charger, 318-904-8.25 axle with 4 wheel 10" drums. 3650. Later with a iron head 440-727-8.75 and 11" front discs, I was at 3850. Since then I have changed to aluminum heads but then added torque boxes, subframe connectors, gussets to the K member and lower control arms. I went with lighter seats but then moved the battery to the trunk. The longer wiring and cables added weight. I do wonder if am under 4000 lbs as it sits now.

I was able to get to the weigh station today. The car weighs 3940 lbs.

It had about 3/4 tank of gas.

[cdr]

I weighed mine in 2000, then 2002. 1970 Charger, 318-904-8.25 axle with 4 wheel 10" drums. 3650. Later with a iron head 440-727-8.75 and 11" front discs, I was at 3850. Since then I have changed to aluminum heads but then added torque boxes, subframe connectors, gussets to the K member and lower control arms. I went with lighter seats but then moved the battery to the trunk. The longer wiring and cables added weight. I do wonder if am under 4000 lbs as it sits now.

I was able to get to the weigh station today. The car weighs 3940 lbs.

It had about 3/4 tank of gas.

With you in the car ?

[Kern Dog]

No, I weighed the car by itself. I am 190 lbs.

[JR]

I was able to get to the weigh station today. The car weighs 3940 lbs.

It had about 3/4 tank of gas.

So if you add 215 lbs or so for the driver and the extra 3 gallons of gas, your car weighs 4140 wet. Add in 75 lbs or so, for whatever a/c would add, and you're around 4250lbs.

So with that said, I'll be expecting your apology for this comment you made a few months ago , where you suggested I was fat.

You're underestimating the weight of a b body.

A stock, full steel, RB powered b body weighs around 4250 wet.

Maybe with YOU sitting in it.
My 70 weighed 3850 without the back seat. It is all steel except for aluminum heads and intake.

[Kern Dog]

The stock HVAC evaporator and heater are still in the car. The Classic Auto Air  setup is smaller and lighter than the stock stuff.
My current WP housing is iron, the replacement is aluminum. I expect the swap should add no more than 25-30 lbs, keeping me still under 4000 lbs. I don't understand the principle of weighing a car with the driver. That must be a drag race thing, huh ? I'm not a drag race guy, I like road course driving, street cruising, etc.
I still think that 4250 without a driver is a real stretch...even a Hemi 4 speed car with a Dana isn't that heavy....is it ??

[cdr]

Weight with driver is a racing thing, not just Drag racing, Road course, Auto cross, Oval track have car weight rules with driver.

[68pplcharger]

So the weighs are in.... Normal pig for a Mopar. Lol she weighed in at 4094 lbs using Rebco wheel scales. Even losing the weight with aluminum everything and fiberglass hood it's 55/45 front to rear

[JR]

So the weighs are in.... Normal pig for a Mopar. Lol she weighed in at 4094 lbs using Rebco wheel scales. Even losing the weight with aluminum everything and fiberglass hood it's 55/45 front to rear

That F/R distribution is much better than I would have expected. What engine do you have?

Also, that's the weight with fuel but without driver, right?

[Kern Dog]

That is HEAVY! I was at 3940 with a full tank and without me in the car, 1970 Charger.

[charge69]

I have never really weighed my car on a certified scale but my title on my '69 R/T HEMI is 3575 lbs.  It has power steering, no power brakes, no A/C and is an automatic (727) .
I figure this is "dry" weight and fudged a little for shipping so I would guess 4000 lbs. with me in it.

[68pplcharger]

Well the roll cage, frame ties, ac, blower , stereo amp etc really add weight. Don't care it's stupid fast handles like a Vette.
Jr that is without driver and the motor is a modified 440. All aluminum except block

Yeah my uncle has a 70 bee basically factory that weighs 3875 with spare and jack

[Kern Dog]

I expected that mine would cross 4000 lbs since I have bigger torsion bars, front and rear sway bars, frame connectors, torque boxes, sound deadener and the bigger, wider wheels and tires.
The roll cage may be the difference between us, 68ppl. 150 lbs for a cage sound about right ?

[68pplcharger]

Yeah 150lbs is about right. I've also got front and rear sway bar, 1 1/4" front 7/8" rear heavy duty racing torsion bars, gussets all over the k frame(also completely seam welded) 2" tubing welded between the front sub frame as well as gussets for the shock towers and 1 3/4" roll bar tying the shock towers to the cage under the fender. Also cage tying the top of the shock towers to the top center of the firewall top side. This whole set up stiffened the weak point (original design) at the firewall. To say the least Ive added a ton of stiffening components to make this thing handle like it does. It handles better than my wife's BMW 135i with the M package

Also have the 11" wide rims in back and 9.5" in front. With all that rubber adding weight as well

[RECHRGD]

Weighed mine today.  With me in it and probably 50 pounds of stuff in the trunk, not including the big spare, it came in at 4040 pounds.  So without me or anything in the trunk other than the spare, the car weighed in at 3,790 pounds.  That's with bigger wheels and tires, 440 with aluminum heads and intake, aluminum radiator, added rear anti sway bar, larger torsion bars, 1 7/8" headers, full length 2 1/2" exhaust and a gear vendors OD hanging off the end of the 727 hooked to an aluminum driveshaft.  It had a half tank of gas also.  Lighter than I thought, so I guess all the aluminum goodies help......

[Kern Dog]

The stock HVAC evaporator and heater are still in the car. The Classic Auto Air  setup is smaller and lighter than the stock stuff.

I am still dragging my ass on the changeover from the factory under dash unit to the aftermarket one. I have never considered how HUGE the stock one is! Holeeee Crap! I saw one at the Spring Fling  then a few more at the Mopar Alley show. I still have yet to lift or weigh one. I would guess the new one is half the weight because it is about half the size. I'd expect to have a HUGE increase in foot room in the right front!

[odcics2]

The stock HVAC evaporator and heater are still in the car. The Classic Auto Air  setup is smaller and lighter than the stock stuff.

I am still dragging my ass on the changeover from the factory under dash unit to the aftermarket one. I have never considered how HUGE the stock one is! Holeeee Crap! I saw one at the Spring Fling  then a few more at the Mopar Alley show. I still have yet to lift or weigh one. I would guess the new one is half the weight because it is about half the size. I'd expect to have a HUGE increase in foot room in the right front!

First thing a serious racer dumps! 

[68pplcharger]

The stock HVAC evaporator and heater are still in the car. The Classic Auto Air  setup is smaller and lighter than the stock stuff.

I am still dragging my ass on the changeover from the factory under dash unit to the aftermarket one. I have never considered how HUGE the stock one is! Holeeee Crap! I saw one at the Spring Fling  then a few more at the Mopar Alley show. I still have yet to lift or weigh one. I would guess the new one is half the weight because it is about half the size. I'd expect to have a HUGE increase in foot room in the right front!

First thing a serious racer dumps! 

Definitely! in the old days I would have stripped the charger and cut out a bunch of metal as well as replaced metal doors, trunk lid with fiberglass. Removed the glass in place of Lexan. Then you realize this isn't all out competition where you are scrimping every pound and dollar to make it go faster to try and get the points lead. I don't have that kind of time and money. So build it basically stock throw a shitload of horsepower at it and handling technology and make it just as fun but drivable and safe. Hopefully get some horsepower numbers this year. It was built for about 1100hp (440CID with F1C Procharger and alcohol injection) that still puts me under 4 lbs/ HP. Even if the motor comes in under the target horsepower still around 4 lbs/HP. Super charger store guys are pretty good I'm sure the cam and blower boost are set correct for the motor set up I gave them. Long story short it seems faster than the road race car I built years ago that had a confirmed 4.3 lbs/hp. I Love that purple pig lol

[RallyeMike]

In the 80's I slowed down long enough to weigh my 74 440 Rallye with PS, PB, 5 college kids (including me), a trunk full of luggage, 1/2 tank of gas, and a few cases or brew beer and it came in at 4800lbs.

A great time was had by all 

[DC69RT]

Put mine over a weigh bridge today. Driving the car it feels heavy (not that it bothers me. You get old and the ride is more important than speed!) 4050 lbs, quarter tank of fuel no driver.
1970 Charger R/T 440, Auto, A/C, P/S, PB, PW, Cruise, Rear Demist, 6 Way Seat, Console, Disc Brakes, Front Bumperettes, 15x7 & 15x8 Rallyes, 245/60 & 295/50 T/A's, original polyglas/steel wheel spare, factory jack.
All original standard exhaust manifolds, cast intake, mufflers, copper radiator, RV2 A/C Compressor etc.

[cdr]

I just ran mine over Certified scales, was not sure of the old scales at Lone star Motorsports park, just the car, a518 trans,512 all alum except block, AC, Dana 60, glass hood, rack & pinion power steering, 2010 Challenger drag pack seats, full exhaust, alum driveshaft,Caltrac mono leafs & bars, Centerline wheels,Torqe boxes,frame connectors, BIG front & rear sway bars, full tank fuel, 3860# + me & my Pistola = 4050#