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Anybody know what this old medallion or ???? is?

Started by oldcarnut, July 19, 2018, 04:48:33 PM

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oldcarnut

I've had this ? since I found it when I was 10yr old and I lived in Spain for a bit. It's some kinda of brass maybe but I was wondering if anybody wanted to take a stab at what it was.  Looks old except it does have something Spanish regarding electrician or electrical.  Use to have a leather strand thru the holes for a necklace or wrist wearing.  When I was a boy I first thought I found a gold coin. That was 48 yrs ago lol

Nacho-RT74

not Spanish, but Italian. Maybe Catalan or even Latin ( althought talk about electricity in Latin doesn't seem logic, where electricity didn't exist )
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http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

draftingmonkey

Stardard Electrica looks to be the same as Standard Electrical Corporation (SESA) in Spain. In 1926 they partnered up with ITT (International Telephone & Telegraph) for telecommunications in Spain until about 1944 when Franco's government acquired the majority of the stock.
You can see the little ITT in the lower right side of the medallion on the printing side which gives an idea of when this medallion was used. Maybe used as a telephone/electrical box seal, not sure. Also on the flip side you can see the outline of a telephone which also would be a tie-in to ITT.
Use an online translator to get info from the links below.
https://historiatelefonia.com/2014/08/01/sesion-de-trabajo-en-el-archivo-historico-de-standard-electrica-s-a/
https://historiatelefonia.com/2015/03/27/1924-1944-veinte-anos-de-telefonia-en-espana-itt-y-la-ctne/
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oldcarnut

Wow that's awesome information.  Thanks for posting it.    :cheers:  When I get on the home pc instead of phone I'll see if there is a link to ask about it or send the pics.

Nacho-RT74

Cool!

I couldn't get the words were actually in english.

In fact there is not an N on Standard, and the A, E and C look the same on Electrical
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http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

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draftingmonkey

The reason I think seal is it seems to be crudely cast, possibly in the field. Is it lead or a pot metal? A little clearer pic of the side with the telephone might be interesting. The only other thing I could think of is a homecast medallion for a necklace.
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oldcarnut

I'll try and get a better pic when I get home.  It appears to be brass or some shiny gold color that has blackened with age

draftingmonkey

A clip from a book I found online "Telecommunications in Europe". Also I bet the phone pictured is probably something like a Bakelite 200 series phone. You might try gently cleaning with a soft toothbrush just to see if it improves how it looks. Careful, just in case it is a plating instead of solid brass. The misspelling of the company name may be because it is home cast so maybe the individual just got the spelling wrong. I find these online hunts to be fun.
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oldcarnut

A little more cleaned up.  Its a rough pour and looks to be hand shaped on the diameter

draftingmonkey

More interesting info. Found a logo Standard Electrica S.A. (SESA). The sunburst behind the figures head is similar to the one on your medallion. Also a site that is in Spanish that has historic info about the company. Looks as if they were more of an equipment manufacturer than a phone company.
http://historico.oepm.es/museovirtual/galerias_tematicas.php?tipo=EMPRESA&xml=Standard%20El%C3%A9ctrica,%20S.%20A.%20(SESA).xml
Also looks as if SESA was acquired by a French company in 1987, Alcatel Standard Electric, later renamed Alcatel España. Looks as if they then merged with Lucent in 2006 and became Alcatel-Lucent Espana S.A.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcatel-Lucent
Don't know if you will ever know why someone took the time to form such a piece. Intriguing none-the-less.
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Mytur Binsdirti

Looks like something that could have been dug up on Oak Island, but nothing of the kind has been found there.

LaOtto70Charger

Couldn't be from Oak Island because there is no markings from the Alien Freemasons that buried with Lost Arc.

oldcarnut

My dad was stationed at Torrejón Air Base in Madrid. We lived in a Spanish community somewhere around there where I found it.

LaOtto70Charger

It is pretty cool looking.  Does look like something that you would think was from medieval times at least.

Nacho-RT74

Quote from: oldcarnut on July 23, 2018, 01:11:27 PM
My dad was stationed at Torrejón Air Base in Madrid. We lived in a Spanish community somewhere around there where I found it.

On of my mother's cousin lives in Torrejon de Ardoz. I stayed there for one week on this Spain trip I'm right now.
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

oldcarnut

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on July 24, 2018, 05:15:17 AM
Quote from: oldcarnut on July 23, 2018, 01:11:27 PM
My dad was stationed at Torrejón Air Base in Madrid. We lived in a Spanish community somewhere around there where I found it.

On of my mother's cousin lives in Torrejon de Ardoz. I stayed there for one week on this Spain trip I'm right now.
The first area we lived was in Alcula (spelling) in rural countryside.  I remember the poppy fields across the road and the gypsy camps about 2 miles down the road.  The next place was in a neighborhood in an area sounding like conneahaus (spelling off).  I knew the police were badass and were not anybody to mess with. That was under Franco at the time.  They'd hurt ya

Nacho-RT74

Alcalá de Henares. Its a very classic village from the medieval ages. Maybe older than Madrid.

The other one... seems sounds like "Conejos"( Rabbits )? I can't recall anything like that around there LOL. But sure I don't REALLY know everything around there. Maybe time to check a map.

About National Police... the get LOT of respectfull here. Not just a Franco's dictature thing, not at this moment at least.
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html