What gives with all the fake re-pop Fender Tags ?

[Challenger340]

Business must be really booming for who ever repops these tags, but do the people getting them done, really think nobody can tell a FAKE re-pop Fender tag from the real deal "original" Fender Tag ?
Just me,
but I wouldn't pay squat premium for a car with a repop, but alas, I guess many people will ?

[Alaskan_TA]

The cars are worth more with no tag than with a fake tag.

The car owners that have them made ruin their own reputations & it also brings the rest of the cars numbers into question.

If the tag had to be faked what else was faked?

There are several 'services' now that make fake tags. For them it is all about the money. 

[green69rt]

I could see using a repop, but only if I had the original to go along with it.  My dash tag has a corroded edge and I would like to put something nicer in such a prominent position, but I would keep my original with the title etc.  Likewise with the fender tag, especially since I hear about tags getting stolen (not that mine would be worth stealing.)

[DAY CLONA]

Business must be really booming for who ever repops these tags, but do the people getting them done, really think nobody can tell a FAKE re-pop Fender tag from the real deal "original" Fender Tag ?
Just me,
but I wouldn't pay squat premium for a car with a repop, but alas, I guess many people will ?

Are your restless nights fraught with the idea of "reproduction tags", or reproduction tags that have been enhanced with options and numbers that weren't original to the vehicle?...

[hemi-hampton]

 

[Alaskan_TA]

That one falls into the 'custom' tag category.

[Challenger340]

Business must be really booming for who ever repops these tags, but do the people getting them done, really think nobody can tell a FAKE re-pop Fender tag from the real deal "original" Fender Tag ?
Just me,
but I wouldn't pay squat premium for a car with a repop, but alas, I guess many people will ?

Are your restless nights fraught with the idea of "reproduction tags", or reproduction tags that have been enhanced with options and numbers that weren't original to the vehicle?...

Does your Fake "re-pop" Fender Tag make you sleep better ?

[Lennard]

Business must be really booming for who ever repops these tags, but do the people getting them done, really think nobody can tell a FAKE re-pop Fender tag from the real deal "original" Fender Tag ?
Just me,
but I wouldn't pay squat premium for a car with a repop, but alas, I guess many people will ?

Are your restless nights fraught with the idea of "reproduction tags", or reproduction tags that have been enhanced with options and numbers that weren't original to the vehicle?...

Does your Fake "re-pop" Fender Tag make you sleep better ?

Who cares about tags, codes and matching numbers?!
The only numbers that matter on a muscle car are the torque and horsepower numbers.  

[DAY CLONA]

Who cares about tags, codes and matching numbers?!
The only numbers that matter on a muscle car are the torque and horsepower numbers.  

Exactly!...

[INTMD8]

I could see using a repop, but only if I had the original to go along with it.  My dash tag has a corroded edge and I would like to put something nicer in such a prominent position, but I would keep my original with the title etc.  Likewise with the fender tag, especially since I hear about tags getting stolen (not that mine would be worth stealing.)

I agree.  If you can back it up, it -should- be able to be restored like anything else on the car.

If it has non NOS 1/4 panels or any other replacement parts are those "fake" as well?

[DAY CLONA]

I could see using a repop, but only if I had the original to go along with it.  My dash tag has a corroded edge and I would like to put something nicer in such a prominent position, but I would keep my original with the title etc.  Likewise with the fender tag, especially since I hear about tags getting stolen (not that mine would be worth stealing.)

I agree.  If you can back it up, it -should- be able to be restored like anything else on the car.

If it has non NOS 1/4 panels or any other replacement parts are those "fake" as well?

Could be a new category for "original" restored cars to pass, numbers matching or not?

fake paint
fake tires
fake panels
fake seats/interior
fake engine components
fake suspension
fake wiring
fake glass
fake trim
fake air in the tires
fake gas
fake weatherstrip
fake paint daubs
fake chalk marks
fake decals
fake bolt hardware
fake fuel/emission/brake lines
fake door VIN sticker/window sticker
fake carpet
fake light bulbs
fake chrome
fake battery


Lot of "faked" vehicles out there!, and some are worried sleepless over a little tin "fake tag" when there's a much larger problem...

[Challenger340]

I mean one need look no further than the thickness of the repop body sheet metal being used in 1/4 Panels, Fenders, Door skins, etc. for example ?
But that's all that is available for restoration and it must be used.
So,
I guess it makes no difference if the fake repop Fender Tags stick out like sore thumbs ? Nice Identifiers ?

IMO,
I just thought a small part like a Fender Tag could be reproduced better, I mean after all here, it's only a couple of square inches of metal for crissakes ?

[Challenger340]

I certainly have no reason to be "worried sleepless" about anything, I know what isn't original on mine ?

2 Lower Ball Joints
1 Tie Rod end
1 idler Arm
2 U-Joints
2 Mufflers
2 Exhaust Tips
2 Wiper Blades
Heater Hoses
Upper & Lower Rad Hoses
Frt Windshield
Numerous sets of Points/Plugs/Condenser/Plug Wires & Dizzy Cap
V/Cover Gskts
Carb Kit
Gas Tank/Sender & Fuel Pump
4 Tires (radials)
Numerous Oil & Fuel Filters, Engine Oil
Front Brake Linings(rears still original)
2 Low Beams(Highs are still factory)
The exterior only paint covering in early 80's(original is underneath)
Frt Bucket Seat Inserts resewn

[DAY CLONA]

I mean one need look no further than the thickness of the repop body sheet metal being used in 1/4 Panels, Fenders, Door skins, etc. for example ?
But that's all that is available for restoration and it must be used.

If your buying the cheap stuff sure, it's crap, better repro metal like AMD is actually thicker by approx .010 (.040 vs OEM .030) and OEM isn't without it's flaws also

[Dano 1]

I could see using a repop, but only if I had the original to go along with it.  My dash tag has a corroded edge and I would like to put something nicer in such a prominent position, but I would keep my original with the title etc.  Likewise with the fender tag, especially since I hear about tags getting stolen (not that mine would be worth stealing.)

I agree, I had considered getting a repop tag just for theft concerns, not that mine is overly rare either but I'd sure hate to lose it.

Now if you're trying to pull a fast one on a potential buyer by trying to pass a repop tag off as the real thing then that's fraud. If you have a damaged or rusted original tag and/or build sheet to back it up and are HONEST about the originality then it's all good in my book.

[Challenger340]

I mean one need look no further than the thickness of the repop body sheet metal being used in 1/4 Panels, Fenders, Door skins, etc. for example ?
But that's all that is available for restoration and it must be used.

If your buying the cheap stuff sure, it's crap, better repro metal like AMD is actually thicker by approx .010 (.040 vs OEM .030) and OEM isn't without it's flaws also

HUH ??
I think you may have that a little backwards ?
My original OEM Sheet Metal is .048" to .050" pretty much ANYWHERE on the exterior panels on my Charger, and yes, I have a sonic thickness tester.

AMD advertise "19" gauge,(or .043") for their panels as better than the competition.

[chargervert]

I have both NOS Charger rear quarter panels, and AMD Charger rear quarter panels, and the AMD panels are definitely thicker and heavier than the NOS Charger rear quarter panels.

[Old Moparz]

I could see using a repop, but only if I had the original to go along with it.  My dash tag has a corroded edge and I would like to put something nicer in such a prominent position, but I would keep my original with the title etc.  Likewise with the fender tag, especially since I hear about tags getting stolen (not that mine would be worth stealing.)

I agree.  If you can back it up, it -should- be able to be restored like anything else on the car.

If it has non NOS 1/4 panels or any other replacement parts are those "fake" as well?

Could be a new category for "original" restored cars to pass, numbers matching or not?

fake paint
fake tires
fake panels
fake seats/interior
fake engine components
fake suspension
fake wiring
fake glass
fake trim
fake air in the tires
fake gas
fake weatherstrip
fake paint daubs
fake chalk marks
fake decals
fake bolt hardware
fake fuel/emission/brake lines
fake door VIN sticker/window sticker
fake carpet
fake light bulbs
fake chrome
fake battery


Lot of "faked" vehicles out there!, and some are worried sleepless over a little tin "fake tag" when there's a much larger problem...

You left "Fake Sunroof" off your list.  

[Birdflu]

Wow! When you think you've seen it all! 

[DAY CLONA]

I mean one need look no further than the thickness of the repop body sheet metal being used in 1/4 Panels, Fenders, Door skins, etc. for example ?
But that's all that is available for restoration and it must be used.

If your buying the cheap stuff sure, it's crap, better repro metal like AMD is actually thicker by approx .010 (.040 vs OEM .030) and OEM isn't without it's flaws also

HUH ??
I think you may have that a little backwards ?
My original OEM Sheet Metal is .048" to .050" pretty much ANYWHERE on the exterior panels on my Charger, and yes, I have a sonic thickness tester.

AMD advertise "19" gauge,(or .043") for their panels as better than the competition.

Might want to get that Harbor Freight Sonic thickness tester checked out, use a set of micrometers, just for shits and giggles, I checked the 70 Coronet hood that I just de-skinned with a set of micrometers, paint stripped, mics out at .035, I've mic'd enough sheetmetal over the years, pre-war vehicles you'll see .050+ sheetmetal, but by the 60's on up most manufactures used 22-20 gauge (.030-.036)

The only place you'll see sheetmetal in 18 gauge (.047+) on a 2nd gen Charger is it it's got some of my steel reproduction Daytona parts on it...    

[Alaskan_TA]

People are well aware that I do not support VIN swaps, faking numbers, etc.


A different question;


If anyone here thinks that faking numbers is OK, please let everyone know who you are?

(Especially if you have done it before)

[Challenger340]

I mean one need look no further than the thickness of the repop body sheet metal being used in 1/4 Panels, Fenders, Door skins, etc. for example ?
But that's all that is available for restoration and it must be used.

If your buying the cheap stuff sure, it's crap, better repro metal like AMD is actually thicker by approx .010 (.040 vs OEM .030) and OEM isn't without it's flaws also

HUH ??
I think you may have that a little backwards ?
My original OEM Sheet Metal is .048" to .050" pretty much ANYWHERE on the exterior panels on my Charger, and yes, I have a sonic thickness tester.

AMD advertise "19" gauge,(or .043") for their panels as better than the competition.

Might want to get that Harbor Freight Sonic thickness tester checked out, use a set of micrometers, just for shits and giggles, I checked the 70 Coronet hood that I just de-skinned with a set of micrometers, paint stripped, mics out at .035, I've mic'd enough sheetmetal over the years, pre-war vehicles you'll see .050+ sheetmetal, but by the 60's on up most manufactures used 22-20 gauge (.030-.036)

The only place you'll see sheetmetal in 18 gauge (.047+) on a 2nd gen Charger is it it's got some of my steel reproduction Daytona parts on it...    

Sorry, engineering grade, $1,500 Stresstell W/Calibration, techs cages as well.
When you find an example that doesn't need de-skinning or otherwise rust repaired, maybe check one of those ?
We've compared at buddy's resto shop, AMD are thinner than my OEM, you believe whatever you want 

[DAY CLONA]

A different question;


If anyone here thinks that faking numbers is OK, please let everyone know who you are?

"numbers" are "faked" in EVERY facet of human existence to achieve an end result, what makes fender tags, VIN tags exempt ?... nothing, just the injection of the "human condition"...

[John_Kunkel]

I could see using a repop, but only if I had the original to go along with it. 

Yeah, big difference between "fake" and "repop". Repops might be the only option for rusted/missing tags. If repop fender tags are to be condemned, then so should all reproduction parts.

[Alaskan_TA]

A different question;


If anyone here thinks that faking numbers is OK, please let everyone know who you are?

"numbers" are "faked" in EVERY facet of human existence to achieve an end result, what makes fender tags, VIN tags exempt ?... nothing, just the injection of the "human condition"...

There are no honest reasons to fake numbers. Only fakers & frauds find such activity acceptable. 

[timmycharger]

I could see using a repop, but only if I had the original to go along with it.

Yeah, big difference between "fake" and "repop". Repops might be the only option for rusted/missing tags. If repop fender tags are to be condemned, then so should all reproduction parts.

I think it gets blurry when you look at the intent. If it's simply to replace a rusted one or a real fender tag that you don't want stolen that is one thing.  Making up crap saying the car came with this and that and presenting as real is another, and fraudulent.

I guess the same can be said with reproduction parts, we see tons of cars for sale saying all original when in fact they have been painted twice and fitted with repro parts..  

[Alaskan_TA]

Another fake tag thread - http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,133327.new.html

[nvrbdn]

I wonder If I can have a tag made for my 70 500 that lists the special order 69 bucket seats, 68 tail stripe, 71 steering wheel. 

   I can understand All the hype on the tag stuff, for these guys with all original cars. My original plum car was damaged at the front drivers fender at sometime in its life, and a yellow fender was added to replace the damaged area. back in the earlier years while these cars were young, no one cared that they just scrapped the fender tag. Now, I don't have a build sheet because this baby was being drag raced for years, so the interior was taken out. So I really have no clue what this car started with. It was a 383 car. So how the heck would you even begin to decide what would be on the tag to build one? I even think the bucket seats that were in the car are buick buckets. LOL So I built what I wanted.

[Highbanked Hauler]

  I have had my 500 since  new or 6320 miles being a dealers demo. My tag is rusted but some of it is readable and it is in a safe place. NOW I would like to get a repro tag for 2 reasons as my son will take over the car at a point in time. The engine and trans have an  X stamped over the  S on both as they are original to the car. The color is original and it came with 14 in. steel wheels with red line tires with full wheel covers  SO who is the best at repro tags ?  

  My 68 has a perfect fender tag and NOTHING is original on it so where is the justice.

[chrint]

Some people on this forum are just HEll bent on thinking because its repro its dodgy pardon the pun , but most simply want to replace the tag when restoring a car to make it look nice and new like the rest of the car that's all it is or they may have lost their tag when doing a long term resto,  I cant find my tag at the moment so I may have to get a new one produced, nothing more than that, so take a deep breath and chill out. There is always two sides to a story not every one has fraud intentions enough said.

[alfaitalia]

I wonder If I can have a tag made for my 70 500 that lists the special order 69 bucket seats, 68 tail stripe, 71 steering wheel. 

   I can understand All the hype on the tag stuff, for these guys with all original cars. My original plum car was damaged at the front drivers fender at sometime in its life, and a yellow fender was added to replace the damaged area. back in the earlier years while these cars were young, no one cared that they just scrapped the fender tag. Now, I don't have a build sheet because this baby was being drag raced for years, so the interior was taken out. So I really have no clue what this car started with. It was a 383 car. So how the heck would you even begin to decide what would be on the tag to build one? I even think the bucket seats that were in the car are buick buckets. LOL So I built what I wanted.

Imo opinion you are better off without one than making one up if you don't know what was on the original. In the future when you sell it, or die!, then it could easily be mistaken for real or worse still sold as its real original spec. To my mind none of the repop tags ive seen look like the original ones anyway. The text and to folds are just too "sharp" edged compared to the original ones.

[nvrbdn]

Right. My plan is to not have one. After I am gone from this world the kids can worry about what to do with the car.