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Author Topic: Superbird RM23U0A175587 now has a fake fender tag?  (Read 3181 times)
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« on: August 13, 2018, 02:15:14 PM »

The other fender tag I saw for this car showed white body paint & D32 for an automatic.

Now it shows FJ5 paint & D21 for a four speed;

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Plymouth-Road-Runner-SUPERBIRD/352429985694?hash=item520e76cf9e:g:9UEAAOSw0LBbcJI-&vxp=mtr



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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2018, 02:46:56 PM »

All that matters is the vin tag.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2018, 03:07:01 PM »

All that matters is the vin tag.

That is actually funny.

If that were the case, the VIN tag by itself would be offered at the same price, no car included.

Heck, you could collect them & trade them like baseball cards.  lol
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2018, 04:19:57 PM »

Superbirds NEVER came with 4:10 Danas!   Twocents WINGNUT
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2018, 04:27:32 PM »

Interesting that the seller covers himself by making no representation as to the how the car was originally equipped, other than the engine.   
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2018, 04:38:06 PM »

Interesting that the seller covers himself by making no representation as to the how the car was originally equipped, other than the engine.   

With the fake tag, he offers fake representation by alleging it 'came this way'.

Whoever had the tag made caused this car to take a severe hit in value.

No one wants to buy a fake & now the car itself with have a scar on its history.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2018, 04:50:13 PM »

Sad the hobby has transformed into 'building' original cars instead of restoring them the way they were built. As far as I'm concerned, if an owner takes a known Superbird and transforms it into whatever engine, trans, color combo he/she wants, that's their prerogative. I don't agree with re-popping fender tags to try and suggest that's the way the car was originally equipped. Only ONE reason to do that...$$$$$!  Twocents
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2018, 08:56:35 PM »

Interesting that the seller covers himself by making no representation as to the how the car was originally equipped, other than the engine.   

With the fake tag, he offers fake representation by alleging it 'came this way'.

Whoever had the tag made caused this car to take a severe hit in value.

No one wants to buy a fake & now the car itself with have a scar on its history.

Registry entry #1



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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2018, 09:01:03 PM »

As a point of interest, here is the car in 1977 when it was in Wisconsin. 


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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2018, 09:02:32 PM »

Sad the hobby has transformed into 'building' original cars instead of restoring them the way they were built. As far as I'm concerned, if an owner takes a known Superbird and transforms it into whatever engine, trans, color combo he/she wants, that's their prerogative. I don't agree with re-popping fender tags to try and suggest that's the way the car was originally equipped. Only ONE reason to do that...$$$$$!  Twocents



There's some that do it for the $$$$$, and you'll meet some that do it to reflect the changes they made in the vehicle because they feel it "completes" the vehicle, kinda like creating a HEMI car, but leaving the 383 emblems on... defeats the purpose


The color change on this bird, that's an individuals choice, White on a bird is nice, but the automatic, esp if it was a column needed to be tossed in favor of a 4spd no question about that, I think in this case the tag swap might have been a case of wanting all the "i's" dotted and "t's" crossed by the past/current owner to reflect the changes made, a Superbird is not a vehicle were a particular color is going to generate a phenomenal increase in coin at resale, a 4spd will offer a slight margin, but not much, wingcars are what they are... I don't think a color change/4spd swap and an adjusted fender tag are going to impact the sale of this car
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2018, 09:09:04 PM »

Registry entry #2.     Same state, but over 20 years later.    Car has a few hundred more miles.     Clearly called out as EW1 with D32.   


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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2018, 09:09:57 PM »

Clearly a reproduction tag from the current auction listing.


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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2018, 09:33:26 PM »

Interesting stuff! Do you think the current owner or even one of the past owners still has the original fender tag? If so, would they disclose that to a potential buyer? Just curious...
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2018, 10:53:04 PM »

Why didn't he just fake it into a Hemi car why he was at it. FM3 Panther pink to. LEON.
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2018, 10:54:11 PM »

Itís a chameleon. Went white-blue-white-green.  lol
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2018, 05:10:47 AM »

Clearly a reproduction tag from the current auction listing.

Well, a reproduction tag would be an exact copy of the original.

This one contains lies stamped in metal, so it is a fake.
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2018, 07:30:33 AM »

Clearly a reproduction tag from the current auction listing.

Well, a reproduction tag would be an exact copy of the original.

This one contains lies stamped in metal, so it is a fake.

And how many new owners later will it take to be sworn as the real deal ??
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2018, 07:45:15 AM »

Clearly a reproduction tag from the current auction listing.
well at least they faked it to the Best color    icon_smile_big icon_smile_big
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2018, 09:47:21 AM »

Over here (UK)Ö.selling that without making it perfectly clear that the detail on the tag do NOT apply to that car from new would be a criminal and imprisonable offence....fraud. But up until you sell it you can do as you will!! Its like winding the speedo odometer back to show less miles....it only becomes an offence when you try to sell it without disclosing that fact.
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2018, 12:21:18 PM »

Over here (UK)Ö.selling that without making it perfectly clear that the detail on the tag do NOT apply to that car from new would be a criminal and imprisonable offence....fraud. But up until you sell it you can do as you will!! Its like winding the speedo odometer back to show less miles....it only becomes an offence when you try to sell it without disclosing that fact.

We don't like to use the F word here in America..
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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2018, 12:47:48 PM »

Fakers & Frauds do exist, that is a Fact.

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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2018, 01:26:09 PM »

It's a sad reality that has surrounded all of these cars as their values have increased... rotz
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2018, 01:42:14 PM »

It is sad.

Faking fender tags & any other documentation lowers the monetary value of any car.

One fake item can bring the rest of the numbers into question - If one item was faked, was anything else faked?

It is a great way to make potential buyers run away, wallet intact.
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2018, 01:44:54 PM »

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looks like the resto work has been done well from the pictures  yesnod


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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2018, 01:45:34 PM »

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