DodgeCharger.com Forum
July 22, 2019, 10:55:37 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: DodgeCharger.com decals are available here!
 
   Home   Help Calendar Login Register Chat  
Pages: 1 2 [All]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: 70 superbird engine compartment questions  (Read 2987 times)
chaaargerb
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 143


« on: September 11, 2018, 10:55:20 AM »

Just finish up with the front suspension on my bird and I'm getting the engine and trans ready to put in.
For reference my car is a Dec built 440  4sp  4 barrel.

I have a couple of questions about the brake booster and master cylinder parts.
I have picks with different parts if you know which are correct please let me know.
If there not correct if you could show a pic of the correct part.

first item master cylinder cover


* dhdhdhdhdhtythfh.JPG (126.11 KB, 640x480 - viewed 721 times.)
Logged
chaaargerb
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 143


« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2018, 10:58:11 AM »

second item booster valve


* hgjdydbchuhudd.JPG (129.74 KB, 640x480 - viewed 713 times.)
Logged
taxspeaker
Senior Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 663


The Alaska AND The Overseas Highway Superbird


« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2018, 10:59:24 AM »

Master A
Booster B
Logged
chaaargerb
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 143


« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2018, 10:59:36 AM »

just checking that these are correct for my 440 4sp 4 barrel intake


* ddgfhrbchdgd.JPG (128.18 KB, 640x480 - viewed 710 times.)
Logged
taxspeaker
Senior Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 663


The Alaska AND The Overseas Highway Superbird


« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2018, 11:03:20 AM »

The 3 small parts are right, I don't remember exactly on the big linkage mount for 4-speed. If no one answers pm me back and I will walk over to the shop this afternoon and look.
Logged
chaaargerb
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 143


« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2018, 11:08:49 AM »

power steering cap. I have seen this both ways maybe build date related?



* ghhgjdksurhf.JPG (128.63 KB, 640x480 - viewed 700 times.)
Logged
chaaargerb
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 143


« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2018, 11:10:14 AM »

Alternator pulley


* hfevhvrhhvehehu.JPG (130.85 KB, 640x480 - viewed 708 times.)
Logged
maxwellwedge
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5,769



« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2018, 11:20:41 AM »

Single pulley on the alt.
Power steering cap "B"
Here is a pic of my master cover.....the writing looks like it is from side to side on it.


* Bird-JB-00001.jpg (49.71 KB, 436x355 - viewed 649 times.)
Logged
chaaargerb
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 143


« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2018, 12:24:41 PM »

Single pulley on the alt.
Power steering cap "B"
Here is a pic of my master cover.....the writing looks like it is from side to side on it.

Okay I have a couple questions. do you know what the assembly date is on your car?
Does the master cylinder cover have the vent on the smaller upper chamber?

I am leaning towards the single groove pulley on the 440 cars and the dual pulley on the hemi cars.
The power steering cap I think is a build date thing. I found about a 50/50 split on that.
The A booster valve looks to be straight up on 440 six pack cars, B valve side ways on the hemi booster and split about 50/50 on the 4 barrel cars.  
 
Taxspeaker
I think your green car Plymouth Superbird RM23U0A174621 would be an excellent car to compare with. Your car is built before mine and looks to be very original plus it's a 4 barrel 4 speed. Mine is RM2EU0A178644
Having 3 birds side by side could really shed some light.
Thanks for any input. 2thumbs
Logged
62 Max
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,296



« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2018, 03:35:04 PM »

Here's mine,still has the tag on the bail.


* Picture 230.jpg (132.63 KB, 640x480 - viewed 627 times.)
Logged
chaaargerb
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 143


« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2018, 03:51:03 PM »

62 Max is your car a 6 pack or 4 barrel?
Logged
62 Max
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,296



« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2018, 05:05:12 PM »

62 Max is your car a 6 pack or 4 barrel?


* 2354.jpg (275.35 KB, 640x480 - viewed 615 times.)
Logged
maxwellwedge
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5,769



« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2018, 08:40:59 AM »

Single pulley on the alt.
Power steering cap "B"
Here is a pic of my master cover.....the writing looks like it is from side to side on it.

Okay I have a couple questions. do you know what the assembly date is on your car?
Does the master cylinder cover have the vent on the smaller upper chamber?

I am leaning towards the single groove pulley on the 440 cars and the dual pulley on the hemi cars.
The power steering cap I think is a build date thing. I found about a 50/50 split on that.
The A booster valve looks to be straight up on 440 six pack cars, B valve side ways on the hemi booster and split about 50/50 on the 4 barrel cars.  
 
Taxspeaker
I think your green car Plymouth Superbird RM23U0A174621 would be an excellent car to compare with. Your car is built before mine and looks to be very original plus it's a 4 barrel 4 speed. Mine is RM2EU0A178644
Having 3 birds side by side could really shed some light.
Thanks for any input. 2thumbs


Here is my f-tag. I never looked to see what date it was on the list.
Single groove on the alternator. Nothing else was ever used on a Bird except on the Hemi.
Car is 12,000 miles....all original down to its tires.


* SB-Ftag1-ss.jpg (78.84 KB, 1024x522 - viewed 539 times.)
Logged
taxspeaker
Senior Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 663


The Alaska AND The Overseas Highway Superbird


« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2018, 09:01:52 AM »

Here is my green one-original before teardown


* Pwr Boost Resize.jpg (41.17 KB, 577x433 - viewed 544 times.)

* Pwr Steer cap resize.jpg (48.68 KB, 577x433 - viewed 540 times.)
Logged
taxspeaker
Senior Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 663


The Alaska AND The Overseas Highway Superbird


« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2018, 09:04:53 AM »

My barn find's build sheet
Logged
chaaargerb
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 143


« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2018, 02:52:21 PM »

Taxspeaker great pics Very helpful.  2thumbs If you have any other engine area pics you could post that would be awesome. I see you have the direct drive fan. That kinda debunks the clutch fan on 4 speed cars.Is it on the broadcast sheet? So far I'm pretty good with putting the straight valve on the booster and the single groove alternator. I know a lot of people have posted pics of their master cylinders but I can't see what the lettering is. Also I was wondering if the proportioning valve has a cover on it.


* ysjjttgfgfgf.JPG (130.37 KB, 640x480 - viewed 515 times.)

* trrrsghhgshhhtdf.JPG (137.48 KB, 640x480 - viewed 514 times.)

* hhtssrjhghdfsd.JPG (131.61 KB, 640x480 - viewed 689 times.)
Logged
RealWing
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 183



« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2018, 05:24:49 PM »

That is the plastic cover for the metering valve. Usually missing on restored Superbirds.
Logged

1970 Superbird 440-6bbl
1969 Barracuda 340 Formula S
1969 Barracuda convertible  6.1 L Hemi
2015 BMW K1600 GTL
taxspeaker
Senior Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 663


The Alaska AND The Overseas Highway Superbird


« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2018, 07:46:56 PM »

Here are several more. I had posted the build sheet but decided I didn't want it out in public and pulled it. I don't remember where the fan code is-do you?


* Batt ray resize.jpg (55.7 KB, 577x433 - viewed 496 times.)

* Factory trunk resize.jpg (31.66 KB, 577x433 - viewed 493 times.)

* Oil fill reaize.jpg (49.03 KB, 577x433 - viewed 494 times.)

* Original wheels resize.jpg (55.07 KB, 577x433 - viewed 493 times.)

* Vacuum hoses reaized.jpg (45.44 KB, 577x433 - viewed 492 times.)
Logged
chaaargerb
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 143


« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2018, 06:13:23 AM »

Here are several more. I had posted the build sheet but decided I didn't want it out in public and pulled it. I don't remember where the fan code is-do you?


I believe it should be on line 3 and it would say fan and fan spa

Do you have any pics of the engine with the air cleaner off?
Logged
taxspeaker
Senior Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 663


The Alaska AND The Overseas Highway Superbird


« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2018, 08:45:31 AM »

No pics without air cleaner

Line 3 fan is 16, fan spa is 70, so I believe it came with the 7 1/4" torque drive unit-must have been replaced by the guy I bought it from


* line 3.PNG (304.64 KB, 1707x100 - viewed 462 times.)
Logged
Wingnut426
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 324



« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2018, 09:01:21 AM »

Hey Taxspeaker, didn't you contradict yourself as far as the booster check valve? You mention "B: as the correct valve, but in the pictures of the green unrestored 'Bird it sure looks like type "A" to me.  Twocents
Logged

HEMI Superbird
HEMI Daytona Convertible
chaaargerb
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 143


« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2018, 09:35:37 AM »

Taxspeaker another question about your broadcast sheet. On the top line under vehicle order number is the build date. Is it the B30 like the fender tag or is it different?

Your car is built after Nov 5th 1969. I'm wondering if a car was ordered they made a new broadcast sheet and fender tag to match at the time it was ordered but if a car was just line built the broadcast sheet was made when the fender tag was made. I always thought they printed the tags at the same time.Pre Production

If the broadcast sheet was printed before Nov 5th I would think it would have been coded for a clutch fan even automatics.
Logged
taxspeaker
Senior Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 663


The Alaska AND The Overseas Highway Superbird


« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2018, 12:05:47 PM »

Hey Taxspeaker, didn't you contradict yourself as far as the booster check valve? You mention "B: as the correct valve, but in the pictures of the green unrestored 'Bird it sure looks like type "A" to me.  Twocents

Well what can I say-pictures are always better than memories. And my memories are always more colorful than reality!

Logged
taxspeaker
Senior Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 663


The Alaska AND The Overseas Highway Superbird


« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2018, 12:27:11 PM »

Taxspeaker another question about your broadcast sheet. On the top line under vehicle order number is the build date. Is it the B30 like the fender tag or is it different?

Your car is built after Nov 5th 1969. I'm wondering if a car was ordered they made a new broadcast sheet and fender tag to match at the time it was ordered but if a car was just line built the broadcast sheet was made when the fender tag was made. I always thought they printed the tags at the same time.Pre Production

If the broadcast sheet was printed before Nov 5th I would think it would have been coded for a clutch fan even automatics.

It is my understanding that all Birds show B30 in the VON build date, and mine does too, just like on fender tag
Logged
maxwellwedge
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5,769



« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2018, 07:52:17 AM »

That is the plastic cover for the metering valve. Usually missing on restored Superbirds.

It is a '70 B-body thing.
Mine still has it.

I will take a pic of the lettering on my m/cylinder lid.
Logged
maxwellwedge
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5,769



« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2018, 08:39:58 AM »

No pics without air cleaner

Line 3 fan is 16, fan spa is 70, so I believe it came with the 7 1/4" torque drive unit-must have been replaced by the guy I bought it from


There was a service bulletin where the dealers were instructed to remove the 070 clutch and 216 fan and replace them with the solid spacer and different fan....the part number escapes me for the moment..
I would sure love to have all those 070's they took off Smiley
Logged
RealWing
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 183



« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2018, 10:48:31 AM »

The fixed fan p/n is 2863223 and the 1.06" spacer is 1851959. On Superbirds built after Nov 5th
Jim
Logged

1970 Superbird 440-6bbl
1969 Barracuda 340 Formula S
1969 Barracuda convertible  6.1 L Hemi
2015 BMW K1600 GTL
Wingnut426
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 324



« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2018, 04:23:33 PM »

The fixed fan p/n is 2863223 and the 1.06" spacer is 1851959. On Superbirds built after Nov 5th
Jim
Except Hemi Superbirds. They always get the clutch fan.  Twocents WINGNUT
Logged

HEMI Superbird
HEMI Daytona Convertible
RealWing
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 183



« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2018, 06:30:17 PM »

The fixed fan p/n is 2863223 and the 1.06" spacer is 1851959. On Superbirds built after Nov 5th
Jim
Except Hemi Superbirds. They always get the clutch fan.  Twocents WINGNUT

Correct!!!  My mistake


* Fan bulletin.jpg (50.16 KB, 553x119 - viewed 632 times.)
Logged

1970 Superbird 440-6bbl
1969 Barracuda 340 Formula S
1969 Barracuda convertible  6.1 L Hemi
2015 BMW K1600 GTL
chaaargerb
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 143


« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2018, 06:18:40 AM »

The fixed fan p/n is 2863223 and the 1.06" spacer is 1851959. On Superbirds built after Nov 5th
Jim
Except Hemi Superbirds. They always get the clutch fan.  Twocents WINGNUT

Correct!!!  My mistake


Taxspeaker's  green 4 speed car has the direct drive fan that looks original and the B5 blue 4 speed car that just went up on ebay    RM23U0A160712 has the direct drive fan and also looks original.
Logged
chaaargerb
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 143


« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2018, 07:15:33 AM »

Anyone get a chance to check the writing on their master cylinder caps yet?


* sjjtjxjyjyjyttttthsr.JPG (126.11 KB, 640x480 - viewed 593 times.)
Logged
maxwellwedge
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5,769



« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2018, 07:06:35 AM »

Sorry - I was going to do that on the weekend.

I will get to it in a day or two.
Logged
maxwellwedge
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5,769



« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2018, 08:32:42 AM »

Ok - Here are some pics of the correct M/C lid and the power steering cap.


* IMG_20180930_1313297-s.jpg (100.76 KB, 768x1024 - viewed 528 times.)

* IMG_20180930_1313013-s.jpg (74.83 KB, 768x1024 - viewed 518 times.)

* IMG_20180930_1313576-s.jpg (71.86 KB, 768x633 - viewed 515 times.)
Logged
chaaargerb
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 143


« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2018, 02:50:38 PM »

Great Pics 2thumbs
That makes 3 different caps I have come across.
Definitely looks like it should be there. Can anyone else check their cars ?
Here are the 3 different lids so far.


* hetyvebuceuaehr.JPG (128.08 KB, 640x480 - viewed 488 times.)

* hjfveivfehfevhb.JPG (120.26 KB, 640x480 - viewed 483 times.)

* nfheywireiubfriuwr.JPG (128.26 KB, 640x480 - viewed 483 times.)

* ueydnfvjfevjitj.JPG (128.74 KB, 640x480 - viewed 490 times.)
Logged
Mopar John
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2,117



« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2018, 03:02:22 PM »

Great Pics 2thumbs
That makes 3 different caps I have come across.
Definitely looks like it should be there. Can anyone else check their cars ?
Here are the 3 different lids so far.
Mine has master cylinder lid "A".
MJ


* NOV 5130.JPG (195.63 KB, 900x675 - viewed 429 times.)
Logged

Mopar John
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2,117



« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2018, 10:19:12 AM »

                                                           SUPERBIRD POWER STEERING PUMP CAPS!
 While at the 2018 MCACN show I decided to take some pictures of the Superbird power steering pump caps.
I was looking to see if any had the older 1969 style metal caps or the newer plastic caps?
I didn't expect to find another style cap!
In my first 2 pictures you will see identical plastic caps.
In the last picture is another style plastic cap that has the extra wording "DO NOT OVERFILL" in the center!
MJ


* NOV 5140.JPG (335.45 KB, 1200x900 - viewed 377 times.)

* NOV 5151.JPG (345.61 KB, 1200x900 - viewed 369 times.)

* NOV 5157.JPG (334.49 KB, 1200x900 - viewed 373 times.)
Logged

Mopar John
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2,117



« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2018, 10:34:15 AM »

                                                          SUPERBIRD POWER STEERING PUMP CAPS!
 While at the 2018 MCACN show I decided to take some pictures of the Superbird power steering pump caps.
I was looking to see if any had the older 1969 style metal caps or the newer plastic caps?
I didn't expect to find another style cap!
In my first 2 pictures you will see identical plastic caps.
In the last picture is another style plastic cap that has the extra wording "DO NOT OVERFILL" in the center!
MJ
So I grabbed my camera after discovering this and took a look at our Superbird's power steering pump cap.
 I was surprised to find yet a 3rd variation of the plastic cap! WOW!
Mine has more fins around the edge of the cap than the others the don't have the "DO NOT OVERFILL" wording!
It appears that the text on mine is larger also?
MJ


* NOV 5172.JPG (304.32 KB, 1200x900 - viewed 369 times.)
Logged

TONY
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 141


« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2018, 11:09:45 AM »

John
In re to the ps caps, the 3rd car/cap doesnt look like it was too correct so i wouldnt count that for reference.

i feel the only correct master cylinder cover shown is #3
Logged
62 Max
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,296



« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2018, 12:36:23 PM »

Tony,

Here are mine,car came from original owner,I doubt he would have changed anything.Master cylinder still has tag attached to bail.Best I could do with pictures for right now.Power steering pump has cap A.



* PB210824.JPG (63.94 KB, 640x480 - viewed 354 times.)

* PB210823.JPG (71.45 KB, 640x480 - viewed 355 times.)
Logged
Mopar John
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2,117



« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2018, 01:24:38 PM »

                                                            MORE ON SUPERBIRD POWER STEERING CAPS!
 I am starting to form some opinions on these caps.
In chaaargerb's original post his cap labeled "A" along with taxspeakers barn find cap and my cap are all the same.
My cap is an NOS replacement cap from early on and may be why there are extra fins or grips?
This could have also been the second supplier of that time?
I have attached a couple of pictures of the factory box mine came in with part number 2537814 on it.
The caps with the extra wording "DO NOT OVERFILL" are what I believe to be 1971 - 1975 caps part number 2891284.
MJ


* NOV 5174.JPG (386.06 KB, 1200x900 - viewed 344 times.)

* NOV 5173.JPG (336.66 KB, 1200x900 - viewed 346 times.)
Logged

TONY
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 141


« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2018, 06:44:36 PM »

found this from frank b


* mccvr-800x600.jpg (108.08 KB, 800x600 - viewed 311 times.)
Logged
billssuperbird
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,440



« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2018, 07:03:52 AM »

Where can I get one of those proportioning valve covers.
Logged

Mopar John
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2,117



« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2018, 04:37:33 PM »

                                                                               POWER DISC BRAKE MASTER CYLINDER COVERS!
  Recently at the MCACN show I was able to take a couple of pictures of power disc brake master cylinder covers!
The one in the first picture has print that is hard to read but it is one of the 1969 model year covers.
It reads "USE ONLY SAE 70R3 BRAKE FLUID".
The one in the second picture is very nice! I wish I could find one like that!
MJ


* NOV 5139.JPG (191.18 KB, 900x675 - viewed 252 times.)

* NOV 5159.JPG (219.57 KB, 900x675 - viewed 248 times.)
Logged

moparstuart
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 27,018


Kansas Mafia Member , Overland park Ks.


« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2018, 04:43:42 PM »

 drool5   the easy access spark plugs in the second picture are super nice too   icon_smile_big
Logged

GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE
Mopar John
Old Timer
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2,117



« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2018, 11:46:20 AM »

                                                                  MORE ON SUPERBIRD POWER STEERING CAPS!
 I have attached a couple of pictures of all the power steering caps that I have seen on Superbirds to date!
In the pictures left to right:
1) 1969 part number 2267694
2) 1970 part number 2537814
3) 1971 part number 2891284
4) 1972 part number      ?       later known as 4219036
Like the OP I have seen both the 1969 and 1970 caps on survivor/ original Superbirds.
The last cap has a longer indicator for the newer style Saginaw resivoirs.
MJ


* DEC 5353.JPG (262.12 KB, 1200x900 - viewed 179 times.)

* DEC 5354.JPG (268.98 KB, 1200x900 - viewed 176 times.)
Logged

Wingnut426
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 324



« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2018, 05:35:19 PM »

Just to clarify, those power steering caps are for 440 Superbirds, not Hemi equipped cars. Hemi Superbirds came with Federal power steering pumps.  Twocents  WINGNUT
Logged

HEMI Superbird
HEMI Daytona Convertible
Dragon Slayer
Junior Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 129


« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2019, 06:52:42 AM »

I know this is an old post, but a MC lid with a round tip gasket is a much later replacement.  The Bendix lid was also used on Fords, so there are several different script out there; and differences in vent.  Several Ford websites document the Bendix cap pretty well, including the Zince versus Chromate coating.  70R is the Mopar 69 or earlier and 1703 is the 70 up, though there can be overlap as supply was used up.  Later version replacement MC from Mid 70s with have warning and more wording.

As far as PS caps, from what I researched for Saginaw, the 2537814 cap part number is in the 66 through 70 catalog.  71 had a new cap 2891284.

The other thing, is despite big block brackets being same in general.  The 70 catalog listed a new front bracket part number for RW cars only (3512668) , C bodies used the same older 69 version (2951196 and 198).  Both used same rear bracket.  Was there really a change?
Logged
Pages: 1 2 [All]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.11 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.085 seconds with 16 queries.