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Author Topic: RM23U0A160712 Superbird 440-4 4spd EB5 on eBay 9-17-18  (Read 2420 times)
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« on: September 17, 2018, 08:16:08 PM »

Some guys have all the luck! Bought one at Owls Head Auction, then (2) more from a local guy!  drool5 Good luck with this listing tantop!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Plymouth-Road-Runner-Super-Bird-BARN-FIND/392122524129?hash=item5b4c52e1e1:g:XYgAAOSwDYBbmC5z&vxp=mtr

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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2018, 08:25:30 PM »

All I can say is......WOW!
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2018, 03:02:29 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2018, 03:03:09 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2018, 03:03:41 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2018, 03:03:57 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2018, 03:04:24 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2018, 03:04:44 AM »

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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2018, 05:19:58 AM »

Pretty cool  to have someone drop 2 superbirds in your lap after you just bought 1 for $187,000 dollars even cooler to have the cash to buy them too!
This one has definitely had some early 70's or 80's body work. You would really need to look it over before you make an offer. The undercarriage with all the undercoating is kinda scary. I can't tell if the front frame has a patch welded in it by the K frame. This car also has the direct drive fan on a 4 speed car  (something some of us are researching on a different post). What I like about this car and the white car is you don't see many in what I would call over restored condition.Cars that are not total basket cases in need of total restoration. Something if you can get at a fair price and not have to put a ton of cash in it. I good old fashion hobbyist car. If the car pushes over 100,000 then it's probably better to find a cleaner one for a little more cash Just my  Twocents        
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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2018, 11:06:17 AM »

That is a heck of a find!
Both cars have a factory tuff wheel, pretty cool.
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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2018, 05:13:00 PM »

WOW! She nosed over $125K today! Reserve STILL not met!  Shocked
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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2018, 06:14:34 PM »

WOW! She nosed over $125K today! Reserve STILL not met!  Shocked

Strong for a U code car that isn't running.    Car does look really solid.  
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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2018, 08:56:29 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2018, 09:06:29 PM »

I thought it was looking good until I seen the poorly replaced trunk floor & 2 quarter panels shruggy
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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2018, 05:53:25 AM »

WOW! She nosed over $125K today! Reserve STILL not met!  Shocked

Strong for a U code car that isn't running.    Car does look really solid.  

This one definitely has a lot patch work on it. Bottom of doors, trunk pan, no pentastar on the lower fender,quarters are patched up. undercarriage was spray bomb over rust then sat on a damp concrete  floor.   

I think the car is still cool but I hope who ever is biding on it knows it going to need a complete body restoration. I would compare it to Taxspeakers green barn find prior to being restored but I think Taxspeakers car has a way nicer undercarriage and is a better starting point because you know what you have. Twocents
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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2018, 04:29:57 PM »

A lot of hype on both of these cars. Doesn't seem too logical that they are bid up soo high in such a short time and at the same rate...I heard from a person that the cars were local to that anyone bidding on these cars would be well advised to see them in person before you get caught up in the moment.

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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2018, 05:53:14 PM »

A lot of hype on both of these cars. Doesn't seem too logical that they are bid up soo high in such a short time and at the same rate...I heard from a person that the cars were local to that anyone bidding on these cars would be well advised to see them in person before you get caught up in the moment.

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« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2018, 05:15:38 AM »

A lot of hype on both of these cars. Doesn't seem too logical that they are bid up soo high in such a short time and at the same rate...I heard from a person that the cars were local to that anyone bidding on these cars would be well advised to see them in person before you get caught up in the moment.

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Ditto!

Just pushed over 150 and hit it's reserve  Shocked . Two other birds on ebay that look pretty well restored for only a little more money. Seems kinda odd. pigsfly pigsfly pigsfly pigsfly
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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2018, 07:19:00 PM »

EBay ad states last registered in 1985 and 1987.
Cars are 1970 cars.
White bird has Maine antique plates.
Maine does not issue antique plates until cars are at least 25 years old according to their website today
1970 car plus 25 years equals 1995 (minimum) registration date
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« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2018, 07:23:45 PM »

the flipper has already put them in his name

i think he referred to the last time the long-term owner plated them, then mentioned this towards the bottom of the ad


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« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2018, 07:26:51 PM »

Ernie that white one has antique plates on it as it was put on the trailer to haul away-I'm not so sure those were the same plates referred to in the ad
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« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2018, 07:52:29 PM »

 i didn't notice that it was a different plate until you pointed that out.

certainly does add to the conversation
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« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2018, 06:00:34 PM »

I was at a car show in Maine yesterday and got a different story on these birds. They were owned by a guy who has no internet (so not up the speed on current prices), but is a diehard Mopar guy. Supposedly he refused an offer of 150k for both last year because he knew the guys that were buying them would clean them up and flip them. This new buyer apparently owns a classic car dealership in Mass. He must have forgot to tell the seller he was a flipper and told the seller he would keep them, bought them for 137.5k. The blue one has a lot of used sheetmetal in the rear. The seller bought the metal from salvage yards down south years ago before they began to reproduce sheetmetal. The white bird has been driven recently and was photographed at a Mopar show at a Dodge dealer two summers ago.

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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2018, 08:28:46 PM »

So, is the seller pissed off the buyer lied & bought cheap by saying he was going to keep them, just to turn around & flip them shruggy  You can't trust anybody. slap
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« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2018, 03:30:15 AM »

I was at a car show in Maine yesterday and got a different story on these birds. They were owned by a guy who has no internet (so not up the speed on current prices), but is a diehard Mopar guy.

Well in all fairness. Supposedly the previous owner met the new owner after he purchased the Blue Superbird at the Owl Head Auction for $187,000.00 dollars. So to say he had no clue on the current values of these car is not quite accurate. However I myself feel that these two birds are way over priced considering that they have sat non-running for 30 years.

IMO, the Blue Bird is a $125,000 car max in its condition and the white one should be closer to $115,000 max.
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« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2018, 08:59:44 AM »

IMO, the Blue Bird is a $125,000 car max in its condition and the white one should be closer to $115,000 max.
The market is getting carried away and is overdue for a correction. Just my .02 cents, Vic
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« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2018, 10:24:44 AM »

Wow it's up to 157000 with 2 days to go. The flipper is going to make a lot of $$$.
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« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2018, 05:27:43 PM »

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« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2018, 01:56:52 PM »

"The Story of Those 'Barn-Find' Plymouth Superbirds Got Extremely Weird"

https://jalopnik.com/the-story-of-those-barn-find-plymouth-superbirds-got-ex-1829313593
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« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2018, 05:02:14 AM »

All I can say is BIG TIME IRS capitol Gains for both involved  Especially selling thru Ebay and being spread all over internet. I am sure seller did not expect such a highly publicized sale. EBAY will submit to IRS  and then paying in cash as one article states buyer just lost his BASES on purchase price...And even worse now there is a lawyer involved   Its gonna get ugly.
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« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2018, 07:23:49 AM »

It is also a short term gain. So no Long Term basis for Capital Gains.
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« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2018, 09:27:23 AM »

"The Story of Those 'Barn-Find' Plymouth Superbirds Got Extremely Weird"

https://jalopnik.com/the-story-of-those-barn-find-plymouth-superbirds-got-ex-1829313593


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« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2018, 10:57:59 AM »

It is also a short term gain. So no Long Term basis for Capital Gains.


And you can no longer do a 1031 exchange.   That tax loophole formerly applicable to collector cars was done away with the recent "tax cut" reform.
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« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2018, 03:03:52 PM »

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« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2018, 04:42:47 AM »

It is also a short term gain. So no Long Term basis for Capital Gains.


And you can no longer do a 1031 exchange.   That tax loophole formerly applicable to collector cars was done away with the recent "tax cut" reform.

Was is or was a 1031 exchange?
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It is also a short term gain. So no Long Term basis for Capital Gains.


And you can no longer do a 1031 exchange.   That tax loophole formerly applicable to collector cars was done away with the recent "tax cut" reform.

Was is or was a 1031 exchange?

It is called a like/kind exchange.  It kicks the tax liability can down the road.     Say that you bought a car in 1986 for $5000 and sell it for $100,000 today.     Your net taxable profit is $95,000 as a long term capital gain.     The 1031 exchange allowed you to defer that taxable amount as long as you bought another car or qualifying item within a specified time period.     Both sides of the transaction have to be handled by a qualified agent.    At some point in the future, tax would come due when you sold the last item and did not perform another 1031 exchange.     

Regarding the initial $5000 investment,  your restoration costs could not be added.    But things like repairs and selling costs (transportation to auction, lodging)  could be added.     If you lost money on the transaction, that can not be deducted.   

The 1031 exchange applied to things like real estate and certain collectible items, like cars.    The recent tax reform has eliminated the provision for collectibles in the law.   



 
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