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Author Topic: How hard is it to remove/reattach the wing on a Superbird  (Read 2137 times)
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« on: April 28, 2019, 05:59:29 PM »

I've got a couple of situations where I'd like to remove the wing for my Superbird and then put it back on. The first situation is when I put the car on the lift to work on it in my home garage. The wing prevents me from being able to raise it up all the way, which makes it hard to work under it.

The second situation is when putting the car in a covered trailer. Some covered trailers have issues fitting the wing in, including the one I really want to purchase.

So how hard is it to take the wing off and put it back on? Is it something that is a really pain in the butt? Also, does anyone make a "quick release" sort of mechanism to make it easy to remove/reattach?
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2019, 06:17:32 PM »

And how nice is your paint ??
I would not think it would be a very good idea to do very often

Some place on here there is a picture of a wing car on a lift and the owner made a hole up higher in the ceiling just for the wing
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2019, 07:47:59 PM »



The second situation is when putting the car in a covered trailer. Some covered trailers have issues fitting the wing in, including the one I really want to purchase.




Yeah you might be stuck with the garage/lift scenario, but why would one contemplate buying a trailer for a car that it don't fit?.... scratchchin
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2019, 08:28:31 PM »

Because I want one of these trailers:

https://www.bre2.net/aerovault.info/

They are super lightweight and I can tow them and any of my cars with our Durango R/T.

The lift is the larger concern though.
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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2019, 09:09:57 PM »

Because I want one of these trailers:

https://www.bre2.net/aerovault.info/

They are super lightweight and I can tow them and any of my cars with our Durango R/T.

The lift is the larger concern though.

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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2019, 07:40:22 PM »

Did you look at the specs. of the trailer you want, there is a T model that is taller and would probably clear the wing but unless your next question is going to be, How hard is it to remove the nose cone on a Superbird?  I think you're going to need a longer trailer.  You're also close to the max payload of the trailer of 4560 for the taller model.  There are other trailer manufacturers like Featherlite that build a lighter and lower profile trailer but I'm not sure I would want to tow any b body in an enclosed trailer behind a Durango, no offense.

https://www.bre2.net/aerovault.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Aerovault-MKII-spec-table-for-flyer-2019-04-03.jpg

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As for the lift in the garage, just don't go all the way up with the lift.
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2019, 06:21:18 AM »

Because I want one of these trailers:

https://www.bre2.net/aerovault.info/

They are super lightweight and I can tow them and any of my cars with our Durango R/T.


Those are cool trailers!  I like the aerodynamics of it to keep it on the road.  Not a big block on wheels.

I was looking for a MSRP, but not luck.   What do they go for?
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2019, 07:57:01 AM »

Because I want one of these trailers:

https://www.bre2.net/aerovault.info/

They are super lightweight and I can tow them and any of my cars with our Durango R/T.




Those are cool trailers!  I like the aerodynamics of it to keep it on the road.  Not a big block on wheels.

I was looking for a MSRP, but not luck.   What do they go for?


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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2019, 08:34:23 AM »

Did you look at the specs. of the trailer you want, there is a T model that is taller and would probably clear the wing but unless your next question is going to be, How hard is it to remove the nose cone on a Superbird?  I think you're going to need a longer trailer.  You're also close to the max payload of the trailer of 4560 for the taller model.  There are other trailer manufacturers like Featherlite that build a lighter and lower profile trailer but I'm not sure I would want to tow any b body in an enclosed trailer behind a Durango, no offense.

Agree 100 percent.    The Brock is super sexy, but definitely not the right tool for this one job.      Durango will certainly pull it, but with the shortish wheelbase,  it would not be for me pulling a Bird in any enclosed.   Sporty cars, no problem.

You also lose the capability of a driver side escape door, which is a really nice thing to have.   Be tough to get out of the Benz in the photo.    

The 3500 lb torsion axles are fine for a lite weight trailer, but again, you will be getting towards the upper limit with a Bird and your gear.   It's not a safety issue, but a potential durability issue long term.  

How do you maintain the finish on the trailer?    Is there some kind of coating on it, or will you have to be a slave to it?

As for removing the wing, it would be a time waster at shows when you want to arrive and have fun.   Where do you store the wing in transit?

Everything about the BRE trailer is cool, except for the cost and the size limit.      It would be perfect for taking your Cobra down to the track, hitched to the back of your Cadillac.


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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2019, 09:24:42 AM »


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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2019, 05:35:32 AM »

You won't have to remove the wing to use this trailer.  you just need to remove the back door of the trailer and go down the road that way because of the length of the trailer the the wing portion of the bird won't even be in the trailer.   hah
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2019, 09:00:26 AM »

Thanks for the feedback on how I shouldn't do all the things that I want to do  Roll Eyes

Back to the original question, has anyone ever taken their wing off, and how hard is it?
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2019, 09:54:20 AM »

Thanks for the feedback on how I shouldn't do all the things that I want to do  Roll Eyes

Back to the original question, has anyone ever taken their wing off, and how hard is it?

1. Remove horizontal stabilizer bolts, one per side ( if not seized )

2. Remove four nuts per side under the wing braces.

3. Remove wing uprights from car.

Pretty simple as long as nothing is stuck...

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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2019, 10:10:53 AM »

Thanks for the feedback on how I shouldn't do all the things that I want to do  Roll Eyes

Back to the original question, has anyone ever taken their wing off, and how hard is it?

1. Remove horizontal stabilizer bolts, one per side ( if not seized )

2. Remove four nuts per side under the wing braces.

3. Remove wing uprights from car.

Pretty simple as long as nothing is stuck...


Thanks, I appreciate the info. Do you need to remove the horizontal stabilize bolts? Could you remove it all in one piece?
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2019, 11:30:52 AM »

Thanks for the feedback on how I shouldn't do all the things that I want to do  Roll Eyes

Back to the original question, has anyone ever taken their wing off, and how hard is it?

1. Remove horizontal stabilizer bolts, one per side ( if not seized )

2. Remove four nuts per side under the wing braces.

3. Remove wing uprights from car.

Pretty simple as long as nothing is stuck...


Thanks, I appreciate the info. Do you need to remove the horizontal stabilize bolts? Could you remove it all in one piece?

Easier if you  remove the bolts,"but" I've found what I have ever taken off the bolts were seized,not worth taking a chance,if they can be turned at all you could probably remove them,if not leave them alone.Two people can easily remove it.
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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2019, 06:43:07 PM »

Thanks for the feedback on how I shouldn't do all the things that I want to do  Roll Eyes

Back to the original question, has anyone ever taken their wing off, and how hard is it?
Do all you want to do.  Can you post a picture of your wingless Superbird hanging out of your cool trailer.  coolgleamA
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2019, 07:00:35 PM »

Yep.. only 16'7" inside length. They show offering two heights, but nothing about longer lengths and a Bird ain't fitting in 16'7" unless you plan to put the nose under that "shelf".
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  Also, does anyone make a "quick release" sort of mechanism to make it easy to remove/reattach?


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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2019, 05:00:31 PM »

Yep.. only 16'7" inside length. They show offering two heights, but nothing about longer lengths and a Bird ain't fitting in 16'7" unless you plan to put the nose under that "shelf".

I've already talked to them about modifying, raising the height of, or removing the shelf. It's 224" without the shelf. That's a tight fit for sure. I'm supposed to measure up the car and send them dimensions and they will let me know what modifications they could do to get it to fit.

Once again though, too much fixation on the "why" and not the "what" Smiley I got my question answered.
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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2019, 05:05:39 PM »

Yep.. only 16'7" inside length. They show offering two heights, but nothing about longer lengths and a Bird ain't fitting in 16'7" unless you plan to put the nose under that "shelf".

I've already talked to them about modifying, raising the height of, or removing the shelf. It's 224" without the shelf. That's a tight fit for sure. I'm supposed to measure up the car and send them dimensions and they will let me know what modifications they could do to get it to fit.

Once again though, too much fixation on the "why" and not the "what" Smiley I got my question answered.

Sorry, just trying to help.. I walk around the nose of one of these every day in the shop! You carry on, but you'll be banging your head against the wall when you try to strap it down in there.
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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2019, 05:54:38 PM »

Yep.. only 16'7" inside length. They show offering two heights, but nothing about longer lengths and a Bird ain't fitting in 16'7" unless you plan to put the nose under that "shelf".

I've already talked to them about modifying, raising the height of, or removing the shelf. It's 224" without the shelf. That's a tight fit for sure. I'm supposed to measure up the car and send them dimensions and they will let me know what modifications they could do to get it to fit.

Once again though, too much fixation on the "why" and not the "what" Smiley I got my question answered.
I can't believe that you still think there's a chance your bird will fit in that trailer.   rofl "chances are one in a million, so you're telling me there's a chance"  smilielol.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEhixvM0wKw
A bird is 221" so even if you could get it all the way to the front you would only have 3" to spare,1.5' in front and 1.5" in the rear, which you can't even get it all the way to the front because of the radius of the front of the trailer.  You might want to start looking for a new nose cone for the bird now because you are going to need one in the future. yesnod  But still looking forward to the picture of your bird hanging out of the trailer, it could be your new avatar. lol
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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2019, 06:00:10 PM »

not sure if it was mentioned before, but in regards to removing the wing....don't ferget about the bracing under the quarter panels also.....plus, if you take it off, where are you gonna store it during travel with the 'Bird in the trailer?

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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2019, 06:18:31 PM »

Yep.. only 16'7" inside length. They show offering two heights, but nothing about longer lengths and a Bird ain't fitting in 16'7" unless you plan to put the nose under that "shelf".

I've already talked to them about modifying, raising the height of, or removing the shelf. It's 224" without the shelf. That's a tight fit for sure. I'm supposed to measure up the car and send them dimensions and they will let me know what modifications they could do to get it to fit.

Once again though, too much fixation on the "why" and not the "what" Smiley I got my question answered.
I can't believe that you still think there's a chance your bird will fit in that trailer.   rofl "chances are one in a million, so you're telling me there's a chance"  smilielol.  A bird is 221" so even if you could get it all the way to the front you would only have 3" to spare,1.5' in front and 1.5" in the rear, which you can't even get it all the way to the front because of the radius of the front of the trailer.  You might want to start looking for a new nose cone for the bird now because you are going to need one in the future. yesnod  But still looking forward to the picture of your bird hanging out of the trailer, it could be your new avatar. lol

You must not know what "custom" means. And my bird fits in my garage with about 1/2" to spare between the front wing and the lift. And I do that parking job multiple times per week. I won't get a trailer if it won't fit. But if they can customize it so it can fit, then that's great.
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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2019, 06:18:55 PM »

not sure if it was mentioned before, but in regards to removing the wing....don't ferget about the bracing under the quarter panels also.....plus, if you take it off, where are you gonna store it during travel with the 'Bird in the trailer?

Bryan

Put it in the back of my Durango.
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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2019, 09:37:34 PM »

Yep.. only 16'7" inside length. They show offering two heights, but nothing about longer lengths and a Bird ain't fitting in 16'7" unless you plan to put the nose under that "shelf".

I've already talked to them about modifying, raising the height of, or removing the shelf. It's 224" without the shelf. That's a tight fit for sure. I'm supposed to measure up the car and send them dimensions and they will let me know what modifications they could do to get it to fit.

Once again though, too much fixation on the "why" and not the "what" Smiley I got my question answered.
I can't believe that you still think there's a chance your bird will fit in that trailer.   rofl "chances are one in a million, so you're telling me there's a chance"  smilielol.  A bird is 221" so even if you could get it all the way to the front you would only have 3" to spare,1.5' in front and 1.5" in the rear, which you can't even get it all the way to the front because of the radius of the front of the trailer.  You might want to start looking for a new nose cone for the bird now because you are going to need one in the future. yesnod  But still looking forward to the picture of your bird hanging out of the trailer, it could be your new avatar. lol

You must not know what "custom" means. And my bird fits in my garage with about 1/2" to spare between the front wing and the lift. And I do that parking job multiple times per week. I won't get a trailer if it won't fit. But if they can customize it so it can fit, then that's great.

You must not know what "custom" means.

Yes,it means the cost will go higher ! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2019, 07:51:59 AM »

This has got to be the silliest wing car thread ever. Quick release Superbird wing......come on! Just get a long enough "normal" enclosed trailer and leave the wing on. Case closed.
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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2019, 07:59:49 AM »

You almost 100 percent guaranteed to scratch or damage the car by constantly removing and replacing the wing. Buy a trailer that the car fits in, and store the car safely, or damage will ensue.
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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2019, 08:19:02 AM »

You almost 100 percent guaranteed to scratch or damage the car by constantly removing and replacing the wing. Buy a trailer that the car fits in, and store the car safely, or damage will ensue.

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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2019, 06:39:26 PM »

what am i missing here? the ass end of the trailer is the highest point of it. the wing isn't any taller than the roof. it also doesn't stick out past the rear of the car. why would the wing need to come off to go into the trailer?
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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2019, 06:49:09 PM »

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« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2019, 10:06:46 PM »

Because I want one of these trailers:

https://www.bre2.net/aerovault.info/

They are super lightweight and I can tow them and any of my cars with our Durango R/T.

The lift is the larger concern though.

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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2019, 05:44:48 AM »

This has got to be the silliest wing car thread ever. Quick release Superbird wing......come on! Just get a long enough "normal" enclosed trailer and leave the wing on. Case closed.

Wow you guys are REALLY obsessed with the trailer thing. The trailer thing was a secondary concern. The primary concern was being able to get the car raised up on my garage lift high enough to work on it from underneath, or to park a car below when it’s stored on the lift.

This is one thing I hate about the internet sometimes - you ask a question like “how do I do this” and a bunch of people just give you their opinion on why you shouldn’t. This wasn’t a trailer advice thread, it was a “how to take the wing off” thread.

There is one great thing about being an adult who can afford a Superbird, you don’t have to listen to people’s opinions, and can do whatever you want with your own car.

I’ve now taken the wing off to fit the car on my lift, and even made a tutorial on how to do it:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,135380.0.html
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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2019, 06:51:30 AM »

Took the wing off my first Bird in 1980 by removing the 8 nuts and lifting.

It wasn't a big deal. Did it myself.    shruggy
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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2019, 02:08:49 PM »


There is one great thing about being a dolt who can afford a Superbird, you don’t have to listen to people’s opinions no matter how valid they are, and can do whatever you want with your own car.

I’ve now taken the wing off to fit the car on my lift, and even made a tutorial on how to do it:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,135380.0.html

FIFY.  By the way, the *short* version of removing eight bolts and two cap screws was more than 10 minutes long...now that you've made an unnecessary how to video how often are you going to actually do it?
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« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2019, 02:54:48 PM »

A Durango pulling a 4,000 lbs car plus trailer = Bad idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbgOq2OvUyA&feature=youtu.be
Your video..  Hmmm, Ummmm, turn it this way and The bolt was bent ? How does a bolt get bent.  A gasket is called a grommet ?  shruggy

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« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2019, 03:23:00 PM »

Glad it worked out for you... but I've never wanted to see if I'd be successful... or have a bunch of stripped aluminum holes! I'd cut a hole in the ceiling first, even if it meant gaining a foot stool in the living room!

BTW.. I bought my Bird when I was 28 years old..  icon_smile_big icon_smile_big  yesnod
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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2019, 03:34:45 PM »

This has got to be the silliest wing car thread ever. Quick release Superbird wing......come on! Just get a long enough "normal" enclosed trailer and leave the wing on. Case closed.

Wow you guys are REALLY obsessed with the trailer thing. The trailer thing was a secondary concern. The primary concern was being able to get the car raised up on my garage lift high enough to work on it from underneath, or to park a car below when it’s stored on the lift.

This is one thing I hate about the internet sometimes - you ask a question like “how do I do this” and a bunch of people just give you their opinion on why you shouldn’t. This wasn’t a trailer advice thread, it was a “how to take the wing off” thread.

There is one great thing about being an adult who can afford a Superbird, you don’t have to listen to people’s opinions, and can do whatever you want with your own car.

I’ve now taken the wing off to fit the car on my lift, and even made a tutorial on how to do it:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,135380.0.html

If I recall correctly, you're the one that asked....and you're the one that gave the reasons why....For someone to ask how to remove the wing because you couldn't figure it out, then to make a how to video like you're some kind of Superbird expert amazes me.  Also, if you couldn't get the wing off without asking, what task could you possibly do that you would need the car on a lift for.   


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« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2019, 03:46:16 PM »

iagree   smilielol
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« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2019, 04:19:20 PM »

I would build a bigger garage  Problem solved   I would not haul any thing that heavy with my Durango
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« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2019, 08:26:23 PM »

i hate to see discord like has taken over this thread. the guy is a fellow wing car fan/owner, and right or wrong, the decision(s) is/are his to make.

hell, i'm not smart enough to understand the wing part myself. the roof would hit the ceiling as quickly as the wing, unless there is something we don't know about on the ceiling. but if he wants to remove it, so be it. 

edit - never mind, i see it would hit the garage door, unless the car was backed onto the lift


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« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2019, 09:00:40 PM »

The wing is higher than the roof by about 6 to 8". I actually measured it the other day.. but forget the true difference.
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Took the wing off my first Bird in 1980 by removing the 8 nuts and lifting.

It wasn't a big deal. Did it myself.    shruggy

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« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2019, 08:43:06 AM »

Just use "Hook and Loop", also known as Velcro..........problem solved, now let's move on!


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« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2019, 04:09:03 PM »

I measured again... 6" a big difference to some gals!
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« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2019, 08:45:54 PM »

Girls/Women are only interested in your wallet. PERIOD.
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« Reply #45 on: June 16, 2019, 12:40:27 PM »

This has got to be the silliest wing car thread ever. Quick release Superbird wing......come on! Just get a long enough "normal" enclosed trailer and leave the wing on. Case closed.

Wow you guys are REALLY obsessed with the trailer thing. The trailer thing was a secondary concern. The primary concern was being able to get the car raised up on my garage lift high enough to work on it from underneath, or to park a car below when it’s stored on the lift.

This is one thing I hate about the internet sometimes - you ask a question like “how do I do this” and a bunch of people just give you their opinion on why you shouldn’t. This wasn’t a trailer advice thread, it was a “how to take the wing off” thread.

There is one great thing about being an adult who can afford a Superbird, you don’t have to listen to people’s opinions, and can do whatever you want with your own car.

I’ve now taken the wing off to fit the car on my lift, and even made a tutorial on how to do it:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,135380.0.html

If I recall correctly, you're the one that asked....and you're the one that gave the reasons why....For someone to ask how to remove the wing because you couldn't figure it out, then to make a how to video like you're some kind of Superbird expert amazes me.  Also, if you couldn't get the wing off without asking, what task could you possibly do that you would need the car on a lift for.   

Wow I'm used to car communities being helpful. Is there something about the Superbird community where it's just has a bunch of jerks? Did you actually watch the video? I never said I was an expert. I even poke fun at myself at how much trouble I have getting the wing off (turns out one of the studs was bent).

With a car this original with this kind of value, I ask questions before I do things so I can learn from the knowledge of others. That way I don't damage my car if someone else knows something I don't. That doesn't mean I don't know how to turn a wrench.




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« Reply #46 on: June 16, 2019, 02:38:26 PM »

Don't take the responses to your original inquiry personal. I believe that most of the Superbird owners on this board feel that continually removing and installing the wing on your 'Bird may be compared to continually removing and installing the movement in an antique grandfather clock. It's just perceived as a little unorthodox.
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