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Author Topic: how not to build a (wing) car collection  (Read 987 times)
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« on: May 04, 2019, 08:52:39 AM »

there are some big, big money cars on the asset seizure list, including a daytona, hemi c500 and three superbirds

the owner was the head of DC Solar, who sponsors Kyle Larson in the the nascar cup series

the story sounds like a repeat of the bernie madoff ponzi scam

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Couple-behind-East-Bay-solar-generator-firm-13644813.php?psid=2Kwk1

https://racingnews.co/2018/12/21/fbi-raids-home-of-nascar-sponsor-jeff-carpoff/


1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD
VIN: RM23V0A167083
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 6DVY570

1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD
VIN: RM23V0A170197
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 7XSV702

1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD
VIN RM23U0A170840
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 7KWT735


1969 DODGE CHARGER 500
VIN: XX29J9B164192
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 7XSV704

1969 DODGE DAYTONA
VIN: XX29L9B410796
UNKNOWN LICENSE NUMBER
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2019, 08:58:55 AM »

I wonder if they will be auctioned off?
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2019, 09:04:41 AM »

Google Blood money auction.  Most likely they will go to auction.  Probably crazy prices too.  I went to the Blood Money auction.  It was nuts.  Several cars where documented fakes too.  One want for more than what it was being sold for at a dealer, before the Marshal seized it. 
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2019, 09:14:59 AM »

here is the list of cars involved here. pretty extensive collection


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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2019, 09:15:22 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2019, 09:15:44 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2019, 09:23:16 AM »

seized superbird #1

RM23V0A167083

once owned/sold by rick hendrick


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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2019, 09:25:24 AM »

seized superbird #2

RM23V0A170197

this one has been through barrett-jackson


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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2019, 09:27:24 AM »

seized superbird #3

RM23U0A170840


once sold through gateway classics


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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2019, 09:33:09 AM »

Five more Aero cars going to auction...wonder where/when?   scratchchin
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2019, 09:33:58 AM »

the seized hemi 500

XX29J9B164192

also a barrett-jackson alumni


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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2019, 09:36:07 AM »

the seized daytona

XX29L9B410796


another barrett-jackson car


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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2019, 07:29:15 PM »

I think i read that the Daytona was the one that got T boned hard on the right side when it was fairly new.
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2019, 02:02:14 AM »

I think i read that the Daytona was the one that got T boned hard on the right side when it was fairly new.
you may be thinking of this one unless there is another.
XX29L9B358403
scroll down to pg 5 in the link below
http://www.superbirdclub.com/files/may_june_2006_newsletter.pdf

A few years back there was a thread on here about it (XX29L9B358403) when it was on ebay
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2019, 02:23:15 AM »


In the past I found wingcar on these legal sites
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1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2019, 02:31:30 AM »

I think i read that the Daytona was the one that got T boned hard on the right side when it was fairly new.
Travis 69 charger 2002 had the Alabama 358403 t boned Daytona of eBay and sold later
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1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2019, 02:48:45 AM »

https://www.leagle.com/decision/199620681996massappdiv7212039
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1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701
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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2019, 01:30:42 PM »


Interesting... scratchchin

That Amistadi fellow is the same guy who listed those two "barnfind" Superbirds on eBay last fall. He was forced to end the auctions for falsifying information...




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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2019, 04:47:58 PM »

Is amazing how nice of a car collection you can accumulate when you steal money from someone else. Or in this case a bunch of people. My parents got  milked on a deal like that from our good insurance friend years ago. He introduced his son to us on a silent interest in a restaurant chain along with half the people in Abilene. It was a fraud from the word go. He never spent a day in jail and stole millions.
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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2019, 07:22:00 PM »

there are some big, big money cars on the asset seizure list, including a daytona, hemi c500 and three superbirds

the owner was the head of DC Solar, who sponsors Kyle Larson in the the nascar cup series

the story sounds like a repeat of the bernie madoff ponzi scam

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Couple-behind-East-Bay-solar-generator-firm-13644813.php?psid=2Kwk1

https://racingnews.co/2018/12/21/fbi-raids-home-of-nascar-sponsor-jeff-carpoff/


1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD
VIN: RM23V0A167083
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 6DVY570

1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD
VIN: RM23V0A170197
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 7XSV702

1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD
VIN RM23U0A170840
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 7KWT735


1969 DODGE CHARGER 500
VIN: XX29J9B164192
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 7XSV704

1969 DODGE DAYTONA
VIN: XX29L9B410796
UNKNOWN LICENSE NUMBER

Sounds like:  Bernie Madoff meets Elizabeth Holmes.
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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2019, 04:51:37 PM »

Crime does pay....... Till you get caught.   lol

Hope the cars go to good homes.
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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2019, 05:23:17 PM »

Nice collection as noted above...yes.    But before anybody gets too envious, remember that there have been more than a few instances where the reason to build a collection like this was essentially money laundering...ie, where can you put all that ill gotten money obtained through fraud without attracting the attention of banks and law enforcement.    Classic Cars are a great place, particularly if they accelerate in value while they sit.

Remember a few years ago there was the guy doing the fake blood testing business, he had a collection of Mopars and Shelby’s.    There was the guy running numbers out of NYC, again Mopar collection (that was pretty well known).
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2019, 05:27:53 PM »

That was the blood money collection irs seized hemi bird etc
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1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701
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