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how not to build a (wing) car collection

Started by held1823, May 04, 2019, 09:52:39 AM

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held1823

there are some big, big money cars on the asset seizure list, including a daytona, hemi c500 and three superbirds

the owner was the head of DC Solar, who sponsors Kyle Larson in the the nascar cup series

the story sounds like a repeat of the bernie madoff ponzi scam

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Couple-behind-East-Bay-solar-generator-firm-13644813.php?psid=2Kwk1

https://racingnews.co/2018/12/21/fbi-raids-home-of-nascar-sponsor-jeff-carpoff/


1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD
VIN: RM23V0A167083
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 6DVY570

1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD
VIN: RM23V0A170197
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 7XSV702

1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD
VIN RM23U0A170840
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 7KWT735


1969 DODGE CHARGER 500
VIN: XX29J9B164192
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 7XSV704

1969 DODGE DAYTONA
VIN: XX29L9B410796
UNKNOWN LICENSE NUMBER
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

RammJaeger

I wonder if they will be auctioned off?

Dragon Slayer

Google Blood money auction.  Most likely they will go to auction.  Probably crazy prices too.  I went to the Blood Money auction.  It was nuts.  Several cars where documented fakes too.  One want for more than what it was being sold for at a dealer, before the Marshal seized it. 

held1823

here is the list of cars involved here. pretty extensive collection
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

held1823

...
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

held1823

...
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

held1823

seized superbird #1

RM23V0A167083

once owned/sold by rick hendrick
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

held1823

seized superbird #2

RM23V0A170197

this one has been through barrett-jackson
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

held1823

seized superbird #3

RM23U0A170840


once sold through gateway classics
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

Birdflu

Five more Aero cars going to auction...wonder where/when?   :scratchchin:

held1823

the seized hemi 500

XX29J9B164192

also a barrett-jackson alumni
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

held1823

the seized daytona

XX29L9B410796


another barrett-jackson car
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

chargervert

I think i read that the Daytona was the one that got T boned hard on the right side when it was fairly new.

Moparpoolman

Quote from: chargervert on May 04, 2019, 08:29:15 PM
I think i read that the Daytona was the one that got T boned hard on the right side when it was fairly new.
you may be thinking of this one unless there is another.
XX29L9B358403
scroll down to pg 5 in the link below
http://www.superbirdclub.com/files/may_june_2006_newsletter.pdf

A few years back there was a thread on here about it (XX29L9B358403) when it was on ebay

nascarxx29


In the past I found wingcar on these legal sites
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

nascarxx29

Quote from: chargervert on May 04, 2019, 08:29:15 PM
I think i read that the Daytona was the one that got T boned hard on the right side when it was fairly new.
Travis 69 charger 2002 had the Alabama 358403 t boned Daytona of eBay and sold later
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

nascarxx29

1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

Birdflu

Quote from: nascarxx29 on May 05, 2019, 03:48:45 AM
https://www.leagle.com/decision/199620681996massappdiv7212039

Interesting... :scratchchin:

That Amistadi fellow is the same guy who listed those two "barnfind" Superbirds on eBay last fall. He was forced to end the auctions for falsifying information...



fastmark

Is amazing how nice of a car collection you can accumulate when you steal money from someone else. Or in this case a bunch of people. My parents got  milked on a deal like that from our good insurance friend years ago. He introduced his son to us on a silent interest in a restaurant chain along with half the people in Abilene. It was a fraud from the word go. He never spent a day in jail and stole millions.

stripedelete

Quote from: held1823 on May 04, 2019, 09:52:39 AM
there are some big, big money cars on the asset seizure list, including a daytona, hemi c500 and three superbirds

the owner was the head of DC Solar, who sponsors Kyle Larson in the the nascar cup series

the story sounds like a repeat of the bernie madoff ponzi scam

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Couple-behind-East-Bay-solar-generator-firm-13644813.php?psid=2Kwk1

https://racingnews.co/2018/12/21/fbi-raids-home-of-nascar-sponsor-jeff-carpoff/


1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD
VIN: RM23V0A167083
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 6DVY570

1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD
VIN: RM23V0A170197
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 7XSV702

1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD
VIN RM23U0A170840
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 7KWT735


1969 DODGE CHARGER 500
VIN: XX29J9B164192
CALIFORNIA LICENSE NUMBER 7XSV704

1969 DODGE DAYTONA
VIN: XX29L9B410796
UNKNOWN LICENSE NUMBER

Sounds like:  Bernie Madoff meets Elizabeth Holmes.

Stevetona

Crime does pay....... Till you get caught.   :lol:

Hope the cars go to good homes.

Kowal

Nice collection as noted above...yes.    But before anybody gets too envious, remember that there have been more than a few instances where the reason to build a collection like this was essentially money laundering...ie, where can you put all that ill gotten money obtained through fraud without attracting the attention of banks and law enforcement.    Classic Cars are a great place, particularly if they accelerate in value while they sit.

Remember a few years ago there was the guy doing the fake blood testing business, he had a collection of Mopars and Shelby's.    There was the guy running numbers out of NYC, again Mopar collection (that was pretty well known).
'69 Hemi Charger 500, '70 U Code Challenger R/T
(These two and a bunch others at www.dkowal426.com)

"P. J. O'Rourke:  The old car ran perfectly, right up until it didn't."

nascarxx29

That was the blood money collection irs seized hemi bird etc
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701